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>> No.20840382

I have no idea who that even is

>> No.20840433

i like her tits, thats all

>> No.20840459

>western indie
Has she shown her tits or feet on stream? If not then I don't care.

>> No.20840549

yawl are just jealous [rant here]

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[reply here]

>> No.20840663
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[encouraging comment here]

>> No.20840792

I'm just keeping tabs on it to see if someone eventually leaks nudes and not bikini shit

>> No.20840808
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[snarky shitpost here]

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20841657

[comment on preference of creator's background here]

>> No.20841766
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[derogatory remarks here]

>> No.20843218
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20843218

[racial slurs here]

>> No.20843495
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>>20841766
[off-topic derogatory comment implying the individual in your image does not stream]

>> No.20843709

I just hope her income takes enough of a bump that she considers doing nude content.

>> No.20844568

>>20840459
All the time.

>> No.20844615

>>20840341
[reaction image here]

>> No.20844680

>>20840459
Yeah. She's a huge slut.

>> No.20844724

>>20843709
>he doesn't know

>> No.20844734

>>20840459
Before becoming a chuuba she was a cosplay thot that made money by selling titpics.

>> No.20844927

I'm going to have sex one day! [virgin here]

>> No.20845022

>>20840341
Who

>> No.20845353

>>20844724
if you have it link it for the love of god. someone linked a mega with a ton of shit in another thread; I'm talking about bare pussy.

>> No.20845449

>>20840341
show us your pussy already

>> No.20845546

>>20845353
this desu

>> No.20845634

She has old lady saggy tits.

>> No.20845701

>>20845634
>anon learns that gravitational pull scales with mass

>> No.20846664

>>20840341
She based

>> No.20847261
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>> No.20847850

>>20840341
How fucked is her career?
How fucked is Bahroo's career?

>> No.20847884

Didn't that one black youtuber that went through a lot of controversy last year start recovering? She could probably latch onto him or follow his lead and just stop talking about it. Hell, she could also just start up her old tiktok and jiggle enough to get some new coomers to latch onto her.

>> No.20847907

>>20840341
I say this much, Launa certainly comes across as the more viscus of the two and I wonder if she's actively vindictive

>> No.20847942

>>20847850
Probably not Rushia levels of fucked, but since she keeps digging the hole deeper her career is definitely going to be affected in some way

>> No.20847972

>>20840341
[I don't get it here]

>> No.20847990
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20847990

[Bass-boosted extremely lewd Dominican song about mama here]

>> No.20848001
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[circlejerking here]

>> No.20848060

>>20847907
I'd be pretty vindictive too if someone cost me 20k and sabotaged my means of paying it back.

>> No.20848065

>>20847907
I’d say Bunny is the more viscous of the two, given that she is probably covered in tears and snot right now

>> No.20848092

>>20847907
If you're gonna sperg about Layna here Bunny at least spell her name right

>> No.20848119

>>20847850
They're probably both going to be fine. She can just keep posting her tits and he probably has plenty of fans who aren't even aware of what happening.

>> No.20848143

>>20847972
Bunny released a twitlonger to respond to the drama and left [apology here] in the text. She probably got the text written by a PR guy and didn't even check it before posting it.

>> No.20848152

>>20847850
Follower count itself doesn't actually usually go down a ton. The majority of people aren't keyed into twitter or don't care about the drama on it.

The main consequence is the effective excommunication of them from any collaboration with people who want to keep their optics clean (i.e. anyone with a large following). So growth is hampered.

>> No.20848160

>>20845022
That is no longer the meme. You have to put something in brackets and they say “here”

>> No.20848163

>>20847907
Bunny, your meds.

>> No.20848216

>>20847850
It's fuck but not unfixable as she can still go the way of the Taiga, still streaming but excommunicated
>>20848060
But she put herself in 20K debt

>> No.20848220

>>20844734
>cosplay thot that made money by selling titpics.
Actual nudes or blueball bullshit that most cosplay thots do?

>> No.20848252

>>20848152
While Bahroo is still large enough to survive he also fucked up trying to do a stream about it. That just brought even more attention onto him.
Even people in online non vtuber streamer circles are catching wind of this thing.

>> No.20848258

>>20848163
Bunny whatever her faults has slightly better spelling than than ESL friend

>> No.20848290

>>20847850
7/fucked. for the thot
She made pretty clear that she's a massive cunt
4-?/fucked. for the simp
He started off with just getting a ticket, but every day he comes with another truck full of napalm into himself.

>> No.20848292

>>20848220
Definitely the latter

>> No.20848302

>>20848220
blueballin simps

>> No.20848323

>>20848143
>[apology here] was actually posted under 'Jenna streamed the false allegations to Twitch.' I simply moved it there in a rush forgot to delete it, I am sorry as I did this all myself.

>> No.20848343

>>20848252
Poor Bahroo. Still never had a girlfriend and now will never achieve his dream of overtaking ironmouse as most subscribed-to twitch streamer

>> No.20848378

>>20848323
I was more confused by her explanation that by the actual mistake

>> No.20848452

>>20848216
Sometimes you have to take the L to not get an even larger one in the future, 20k might been less than the damages of keep going with the crazy

>> No.20848474

>>20840663
[Comment that approves of Miko's actions]

>> No.20848503

>>20848220
The latter

>> No.20848537
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20848537

>Had a doujin made of her that ends with her becoming a sex-crazed slut
Was it foreshadowing?

>> No.20848559

>>20848258
Hey for someone who is ETL it's a compliment to be compared to a ESL

>> No.20848595

>>20848452
And now Layna is basically Nyanners bff and is tight with ironmouse and getting tons of spillover fans from her famous friends (this has been going on for many months now). She has easily made back that 20k several times over

>> No.20848620

>>20848343
Ironmouse is not the most subscribed-to twitch streamer anon.

>> No.20848622

>>20848323
flawless save bunny

>> No.20848636

>>20848537
Where?

>> No.20848653
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20848653

I'm on Team Bunny.

>> No.20848660

>>20848343
How did Bahroo get down so bad that he's willing to eat shit again and again for someone who won't put out

>> No.20848691

>>20848636
https://exhentai.org/g/1234652/237617baea/

>> No.20848838

>>20848660
A lot of anons claim she’s fat and ugly but I too would be bewitched by bunny’s funbags. She has gained weight and They are like 100x bigger than they were in the pic posted by the “Team Bunny” anon

>> No.20848872

I hope this keeps escalating.

>> No.20848899

>>20847850
>Bunnys career
Hard to say because if there's one thing dumpster fire of a board has taught me is that simps to far in the hole never go away, she's pretty much burned a ton of bridges though.
>Bahroo
Literally nothing, his community goes not give a fuck and is entirely on his side.

>> No.20848919

>>20847850
Shes fine, she's a female and doesn't work for a corpo so she could actually come back from this depending on how much deeper she's gonna dig this hole

>> No.20848921
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>>20848691

>> No.20849026

>>20848921
That’s half decent (artwork, not dialogue). Merryweather & co. again?

>> No.20849069

>>20845634
Now everyone knows you're a virgin, congrats anon.

>> No.20849083

>>20849026
Erotibot, I’d recognize that style anywhere.

>> No.20849147
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>>20848921
It's like this guy really understands Bunny
>>20849026
Erotibot

>> No.20849146

>>20848872
Honestly if I had any clue about what the fuck this was all about i'd consider making some fake emails/discord leaks.
I just want to see all this burn down.

>> No.20849148

>>20848119
Yeah, until he streams for 20 mins calling Lanya a "professional victim" and link them to Bunny's Twitter to get them to side with her, then deleting said vod because your realized you fucked up.

Oh wait.

>> No.20849221

>>20847850
All it means is that no one relevant will want to collab with them.
Their hardcore fans will always stick around.

>> No.20849282

>>20849221
And bahroo barely collabed with anyone so hes not losing anything.

>> No.20849315

>>20848899

>Literally nothing, his community goes not give a fuck and is entirely on his side
His last stream says otherwise.

>> No.20849320
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20849320

Don't you just hate it when you leave your boyfriend alone with your best friend only to come back and find out she's been gaslighting him into standing up for himself?

>> No.20849331

Is anyone besides Bahroo on Bunny's side in this? Everything I've seen seems to paint the picture that Bunny is a huge bitch. Even the shit Bunny herself posted to "respond" makes her look bad.

>> No.20849403

>>20849315
Does it? Im in his discord right now and nobody seems to give a shit.

>> No.20849420

>>20849331
not officially at least.

>> No.20849444

>>20849403
Survivor bias.
Anyone who speaks against gets Stalin'd.

>> No.20849479

>>20849331
No one really except for their most dedicated simps.
There's a couple of retards who just say the generic "omg why can't all this twitter drama just be private" without knowing the details but otherwise not many people on their size aside from bahroo having a large fanbase

>> No.20849485

>>20848653
Is that layna?

>> No.20849489

>>20849320
“Don’t you remember you’re a very confident person?”
“No, I don’t think I am…”
“Yes you are! You’re totally confident and good at standing up for yourself!”
**STOP GASLIGHTING MY BF!***
Imagine if she had gone a step further and given him self-help recordings.

>> No.20849492

>>20849403
Nobody saying something in a moderated discord server? Shocked.

>> No.20849494

>>20849444
Now that I did notice, people getting banned.

>> No.20849523
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>>20849320
>come back to hotel
>girl you're using for clout convinced a member of your harem that he deserves you all to himself

>> No.20849528

>>20848595
Some would call that drifting

>> No.20849534

>>20849331
The closest thing she has is people who are staying out completely.

>> No.20849568

>>20849282
>Everyone he collabed with suddently moves away from him
I thought he was just some autistic shut in

>> No.20849594
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[Sex here]

>> No.20849691

>>20849568
I thought the same thing when Bunny and VShojo just stopped collabing with each other. I thought it was just the usual vtuber autistic shyness but I'm guessing they just found out she was an asshole early on and ditched her.

>> No.20849694

>>20849403
He HEAVYLY polices both his discord and stream, and even then his mods couldn't stop the wave on the stream as he kept digging deeper.

>> No.20849726

Is he gonna suicide?
https://twitter.com/AdmiralBahroo/status/1506370486988677137?t=xi5IBJdRLcTBxReLnhYyyw&s=19

>> No.20849871

>>20849726
https://twitter.com/AdmiralBahroo/status/1432707656435867651

Rumao

>> No.20849940

>>20849694
I think he had the intention to actually stream because he started up RimWorld and everything. But when he saw that not all his chat were towing the line, he got scared and ended his stream

>> No.20849950

>>20849691
And to think if he wasn't so deep into the simp hole he could had left this dumpster fire with an actual boost
"I'm sorry i was manipulated" Just that and it would be over.

>> No.20849956

>>20849726
probably, but he has a lot of work to do before then.

>> No.20849991

>>20848653
You need to drop your folder one of these days.

>> No.20850006

>>20849940
He probably never saw his eco chamber go south, panic settled in, hilarity ensued.

>> No.20850077
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>>20849691
She tried to smear Layna to them like she'd been doing to everyone else, but Silver decided to actually talk to Layna before making up her mind. Since Layna has now been adopted into the Vale family, you can guess how that went down.

>> No.20850098

>>20849950
I just hope he actually got some pussy out of this, though I would bet money he didn't and never will. Pathetic.

>> No.20850131

>>20849331
I'm on neither side as I have no reason to believe either of them

>> No.20850177
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>>20848252
>Called Layna a bitch and a liar to defend Bunny
>Accusation with proofs appears, from several people
>Apologizes and says that he wants to be better than that
>Calls her a professional victim live on stream right after that
>Goes "I'M NOT A GOOD PERSON I WANT TO BE BETTER" again later on Twitter
I genuinely have no idea what the FUCK that man is even doing.
Is he that desperate for those tits?
Once again, we have another case of "For the love of God just stop going on the internet for a few days".

>> No.20850192

its ogre

>> No.20850227

>>20850177
Booba makes men do silly things

>> No.20850232

>>20850177
>Is he that desperate for those tits?
Yes, 99% of her audience would do the same

>> No.20850252
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>>20850077

>> No.20850334

>>20850077
>>20850252
Yeah alright, VShojo dudes can get a pass today.

>> No.20850340

>>20848220
the latter
Here: https://mega.nz/folder/W5ZTXCCT#77CD1blFwdHjT59EZiQdAQ
I grabbed this off the last thread. Might as well be nice and share.

>> No.20850355

>>20849691
It was because she tried to turn Vshojo against Layna. Bunny told Silver a bunch of lies, but Silver realized something was up and took Layna's side.

>> No.20850391

>>20850227
I could bet money that he never had a girlfriend, and that he never got a piece of the bunny even as he did her dirty job all these years.

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>>20850252
>Completely ignores Bunny's crazy and goes back to her original question

>> No.20850510

>>20850355
Alternative Layna told Silver a bunch of prettier lies

>> No.20850524

>>20850077
>>20850252
>but Silver decided to actually talk to Layna before making up her mind
Why was she one of the only people smart enough to do this?

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>>20850524
She wonders the same thing.

>> No.20850587

>>20850177
>Is he that desperate for those tits?
Is she living rent-free at Bahroo's place?

>> No.20850590

>>20850524
Surprisingly most vtubers aren't very smart.

>> No.20850606

>>20850510
Did you forget your meds today Bunny?

>> No.20850665

>>20850563
Thats the funniest shit.

>> No.20850715

>>20850590
I'm not talking about just vtubers here.
Bunny and Bahroo was doing this with a bunch of non vtubers as well. Strippin was also one of the few who was smart enough to actually talk to Layna.

>> No.20850719

>>20850524
Bunny is big, you wouldn't want to cross her unless you're popular enough (like Silver)

>> No.20850761

>>20850587
Bahroo is in an open relationship with her but he's getting none of the action.

>> No.20850771

>>20850606
There are no meds strong enough to prevent Bunny and "friends" from having a total meltdown these days kek

>> No.20850845

>>20840341
Like always and forever, Bunny tries to her best to be the loudest thing in the room to no ones benefit. Maybe if she had done a video or recording of this as a script she would have sold her bullshit better

>> No.20850892

>>20849950
Even Layna basically offered Bahroo at out at the beginning. When Layna first mentioned Bahroo she said she thought Bahroo was also being manipulated by Bunny.

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>>20850761
Isn't that just another way to say he is a cuckold?

>> No.20850942

>>20850761
>Getting used with no tangible benefits in return
>Still willing to die on her hill
Perhaps there's space for some pity there but instead i'll just point and laugh at him

>> No.20850970

>>20850524
Most people don't care that much. If someone you knows tells you "ey yo that bitch is crazy" you'd just take their word for it. It's not like Layna was anyone people needed to work with to advance their careers.

>> No.20851021

>>20850892
Bahroo is a very proud cuck too it sounds like. He thinks he's genuinely "dating" a supermodel.

>> No.20851023

>>20850761
Good lord, what a miserable existence.

>> No.20851042
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[aggressively loud reverbed dubstep farting and raccoon laughter here]

>> No.20851052

>>20850252
Lmao silver just sidesteps the whole schizo rant

>> No.20851111

>>20850340
Wow, there's nothing of value in there at all is there?

I've had better purchases on porn mobile games, I couldn't imagine the disappointment of paying for this

>> No.20851135

Seeing how bunny and bahroo are handling this mess, makes Rushia and Saruei dramas look like kids play...

>> No.20851149

>>20850524
Many if not most vtubers are balls of anxiety that have trouble even making a fucking voice phone call to book a dentist appointment.

>> No.20851181

>>20850606
Did you forget we are dealing with a M2'er here

>> No.20851240

>>20850761
I'm guessing he's a virgin or Bunny was literally the only woman to touch him. I can understand not going to a strip club since there's not much privacy in the main room, but it's Texas, the state is littered with escorts and massage parlors.

>> No.20851247

>>20850524
Look at Strippin's response for how most other people probably dealt with this like Criken and whoever else Layna's collabed with that has a connection to Layna; near-complete ignorance.

>> No.20851303

>>20850970
That's why it was a huge mistake for Bunny to try to manipulate Silver.
Silver actually cares about Layna a lot. Layna literally has done multiple collabs with Silver's family (Silver likes to collab with her brother and mom a lot). Silver's mom treats Layna like an adoptive daughter basically.
It's like if some acquaintance you're not that close with just came up to you and tried to tell you your sister is a bad person. Most people at first instinct would side with their sister.

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>>20851247
>ignorance.
I just remembered that ignorance does not mean what I think it does in this context. I mean that he ignored the shit Bahroo was spewing, not siding with him blindly.
English is hard, okay?

>> No.20851370

>>20851111
The least shit set is probably the body stocking one but even then cosplay thots don't really put out great sets.
Susu generally had better sets than Bunny but that is not a very high bar to overcome.

>> No.20851422

>>20840341
kek, what a retard

>> No.20851428

>>20851111
There are a disappointing number of shots with out of focus body parts, unflattering lighting, and awkward poses that highlight her belly fat.

>> No.20851435

>>20851303
>It's like if some acquaintance you're not that close with just came up to you and tried to tell you your sister is a bad person. Most people at first instinct would side with their sister.
Im suddenly reminded of that poor game dev that killed himself when he got canceled and his own family sided with the mob instead of him.

>> No.20851600

>>20851435
some families are totally messed up... you dont even need enemies with them...

>> No.20851613

>>20850892
Retard lived so long being shielded of every speck of criticism that he went balls deep with just a "Trust me bro"
Even if Layna did somehow invent and lie about everything, he had nothing to gain on it, truly big brain move.

>> No.20851722

>>20851303
Yes but the discord messages was before Silver did any collobs with Layna

>> No.20851740

>>20850761
reminder that arcadum was never legally engaged to his girlfriend and because of texas common laws she was able to take both his house and his money when he got revealed to be a super douchebag
bunny could legitimately be owning his house in a couple of weeks and that's hilarious

>> No.20851746

>>20851435
Was whatever allegations that were against him were true?
Feel like it's gotta be pretty bad if your own family is against you

>> No.20851827

>>20851746
He was a massive depressive wreck so they sounded fake as fuck.
But it doesn't matter now, poor dude's dead.

>> No.20851836

>>20851435
Oh yeah, that Night in the Woods developer that got accused of abuse.
Everyone threw him away, he got kicked out of the development team and even his own sister was against him.
Man, what a shitshow that was.

>> No.20852031

>>20850892
I mean, does it really matter? If he took the lifeline all that does is tell his viewers he was hypnotized by pussy he couldn't even get, and his viewers aren't going to ditch him if anythings been shown after the past few days.

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20852050

>>20849991
I've been thinking about it, but loads of the pics have old bf / friends etc in them. I mean I know where I am but I'd just feel wrong.

>> No.20852107

>>20851740
>bunny could legitimately be owning his house in a couple of weeks and that's hilarious
They would need to cohabitate for 2 years and present themselves as being married

>> No.20852112

>>20851149
Yeah imagine saying absolutely anything in a public setting and constantly having a medium/high level of anxiety that some autist is going to recognise your voice even though you use a different voice on stream. Kek.

>> No.20852113

I'll forgive Bunny if she takes pictures with [apology here] written on her groin and an arrow to her pussy.

>> No.20852187

>>20852031
I think it's more so that if he didn't decide to double down and side with Bunny he probably wouldn't have basically destroyed the friendships he's had with other streamers. A bunch of his friends (or I guess ex friends now) are siding against him.

>> No.20852223

>>20852113
I second the motion!

>> No.20852280

what's the tldr here

>> No.20852301

>>20852187
That's the exact opposite though; claims of him being manipulated by someone he's only known for half of a year when some of this stuff goes back years for him means that these people would have dumped it even faster.

>> No.20852327

>>20852112
It's not about being recognized it's simply the interaction with people. That's the level of anxiety that leads you to try to live through an avatar online

>> No.20852335

>>20852050
She looks vaguely familiar, maybe that was just the look back then?

>> No.20852340

>>20851740
Common-law marriage laws are absolutely bullshit but it's based to see 17.8% get btfo like this lol

>> No.20852392

>>20852280
tl;dr how the fuck did you only see this thread on the catalog now, there's been like a week straight of these up at all times because of salty fans/lolcow cosplayers/other bullshit

>> No.20852451

>>20851740
Ironically he partially did this to himself. He always liked referring to her as his wife and I'm pretty sure doing stuff like that publicly can be considered part of common law marriage lol

>> No.20852480
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20852480

>>20852280
Bunny and Bahroo fucked up again

>> No.20852535

>>20852480
This is the best piece of OC to come from this next to the /lig/ OP.

>> No.20852585

>>20852280
>Giga thot is queen bitch and manipulates many people
>Recruits a big streamer simp(literally lives next to him)
>Tries to virtue signal after an art fiasco with another unrelated streamer
>Gets eaten alive by all the angry people she's wrong
And now youre caught up

>> No.20852602

>>20852280
A shitpose where everything is a he says-she says situation

>> No.20852648

>>20852031
He took the lifeline, he only had to shut his mouth and keep off the sweet sweet drama, but then he had to say "Bitch I'm innocent" to Layna when she answered Bunny's apology with "Tell your cuck to stand down".

Even his first apology was throwing Bunny under the bus it wasn't the strongest defense but had he got off the internet and let this cool down, he could've left this behind him.

>> No.20852666

[apology here] is going to keep me fed for weeks. good god lol

>> No.20852680

>>20852585
>Tries to virtue signal after an art fiasco with another unrelated streamer
Yeah those two events aren't related

>> No.20852702
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20852702

Bunny's latest press release is hinting at one of two things: Litigation, or suicide. I am really really curious to find out which it is.

>> No.20852718

>>20852280
There really isn't anything to care about, the only thing you should be interested in is how big this fire is gonna get.

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>>20852280
Don't virtue signal when you have a whole mass grave of skeletons in your closet.

>> No.20852736

>>20852702
Failed litigation you mean.

>> No.20852742

>>20852680
Well Saruei is a huge cunt but she's a cunt in her own side of things.

>> No.20852805

>>20852702
Litigation, then suicide

>> No.20852839

>>20852480
yeah....

>> No.20852917

>>20852742
Saruei is a cunt who knows how to go offline

>> No.20852927
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20852927

[psa here]

https://files.catbox.moe/ukae6c.mp4

>> No.20852936

Isn't it weird how the people who always do this shit are

1) Terrible at covering their tracks
2) Terrible at identifying what information incriminates vs. exonerates them once they try to defend themselves?

See exactly Bunny's TL today for example of 2. Or the massive paper trail of shota porn Bungotaiga left for 1. I'm fascinated by whatever the psychology of this type of person is.

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>>20850761
Damn, Bunny really won the lottery with him huh.
She's "dating" a millionaire, living and eating for free in his own house, and she can make him do whatever the fuck she wants.
And on top of that she's free to fuck as many dudes as she wants on the side because it's an "open relationship".
The cherry on the cake is that despite ALL OF THAT, the dude is ready to throw away his entire career, reputation and friends just to keep her around.
What a sight.

>> No.20852993

>>20840341
model and roommate are both cute, forgiven.

>> No.20853070

>>20852972
Honestly, this is your standard male nowdays.

>> No.20853119

>>20852927
>I'm improving myself
>It's their fault to not being able to reach me after i hit them with the blacklist club
lmao

>> No.20853162

>>20852680
They're 100% related.
Saruei got called out and Layna tweeted praising their confidence saying she wishes one day she can do the same.
Bunny came out not long after with a post about artist appreciation and wanting to resolve drama with anyone she could. That moved a few people into action against Bunny because she was pretending to be above it but was actively still causing drama behind the scenes.

>> No.20853211

>>20852736
>>20852805
I honestly wouldn't be so sure. The legal system heavily favors and rewards dickish / jewish behavior. If bunny can prove she tried to make amends or whatever but [other internet slut, can't keep track of names] blocked her etc and turned it into this fiasco instead, well... idk man, idk.

>> No.20853286

>>20853211
You're a retard if you think any sort of streamer twitter drama could be successfully litigated

>> No.20853304

>>20853162
If she hadn't posted that then Layna probably wouldn't have been provoked to suddenly go public. Classic example of how preemptive damage control can backfire.

>> No.20853354

>>20852702

She already lost in the court of public opinion, don't be naive this wasn't about bringing Bunny down for her crimes, it was all about using Bunny as a stepping stone for everyone she did wrong, yes Bunny is a remorseless cunt and deserves to be rape corrected, but Layna&Co gained a lot from this.

Bunny won't be largely affected, the panda cuck won't be largely affected, every single person that came forward with some form of accusation against either dipshit got some "good boy" points and some pity followers/subscribers, now is up to them to make use of this boost.

>> No.20853409

>>20852936
narcissistic personality disorder and low IQ

>> No.20853417

>>20853304
Ironically it gave Saruei the perfect opportunity. She shut up and has been laying low ever since, people are more focused on Bunny since she turned out to be a whole lot worse.

>> No.20853422

>>20853211
defamation suits, which she's hinting at, are nearly impossible to prove / win in the US. bunny's absolutely retarded if she thinks she can win that suit when mega corps can't even win them

>> No.20853501

This whole thing basically comes down to one thing

Who refused to unblock two on Discord, did Bunny refuse to unblock Layna or did Layna refuse to unblock Bunny?
>>20853162
I forgot about that Layna tweet, and thought that was about Saruei.

>> No.20853577

>>20853162
imagine being soo dumb that you shove your "moral superiority" on the face of the people you hurt

>> No.20853578

>>20853501
>who refused to unblock who?
The accounts on this point conflict and we'll never know.

>> No.20853606

>>20852927
>See you all in a week
he's just going to his super secret side-side account to stream isn't he?

>> No.20853676

>>20853578
Exactly, we got one scenario where Bunny is keeping up the act of wanting to forgive but doesn't want to do it and the other where Layna is using the chance to screw over Bunny as much as possible and won't give her a single inch

>> No.20853692

>>20853606
I don't know this fucker but i wouldn't past him to have a "secret account" called "Bahroo2"

>> No.20853700

>>20853417
I wonder if Saruei will keep Bunny around after all of that, since she joined her to take care of "Business Relations" (or whatever she called her role) right before this whole incident started.
For her sake I hope not, but she still got her mod around after he created an absurd amount of drama so I'm not 100% sure.

>> No.20854084

>>20853700
Saruei would have to be one of the most retarded people ever to still associate with Bunny after all that shit that got exposed

>> No.20854201

>>20840341
>rl tits so fat that people call them udders
hot

>> No.20854268

>>20853692
It was mentioned before that he definitely has a side account, but not what he does on it. Regardless, only a week is a nice way to say "I'm treating this like a vacation I needed anyway".

>> No.20854269

I can't think of too many times someone apologizes, then 3 days later decides "you know what? Fuck you" and undoes all that damage control in a total self-sabotaging breakdown. If Bunny's through after this, I'll miss her juicy jugs

>> No.20854486

>>20852280
If you're going to be a cuckold, be one to someone without an internet presence.

>> No.20854505

>>20849320
Can I gaslight myself to be more confident?

>> No.20854557

I was holding out hope for another dance stream in vrchat with the outfit that has the cheeks exposed. I've jacked to that vod a bunch of times but it's starting to get stale. Guess that's not gonna happen again. Maybe silver can replace her?

>> No.20854569

>>20853211
Yeah, for things that have actual proof behind it. If Bunny takes anyone to court over this she'll immediately get hit with the 20k debt, and that digital handshake has way more weight than a loss of followers or viewers on Bunny's end.

>> No.20854576

>>20854269
She could always get back on tiktok.

>> No.20854627

>>20840341
Oh damn is that Kiki? Maybe I'll watch her again if true.

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[watamelon]

>> No.20854767

>>20854569
Please let bunny be a big enough lolcow to try and sue Layna. This saga is just starting and i want the lawsuit arc now that you brought that up. Even that old hag Yayahan wasn't this big of a fuckup.

>> No.20854822

>>20854569
Except it's easy when Layna herself said she was the one who brought it on herself.
Putting aside morality and mental health, the business decision was to end production and take on debt.

>> No.20854848

>>20853692
He does, he even has 50 emotes on that one as well.

>> No.20855271

You think Saruei has ever thought about how she's indirectly caused this huge shitshow just because she made fun of some guy's art?

>> No.20855385

>>20854505
What do you mean? You always had confidence. Don't you remember being confident the other day?

>> No.20855558

>>20853692
His second account is Rescue and it has roughly 15k subs

>> No.20855801

>>20854822
That's what I don't get. I don't care how much of an annoying bitch a client is, I'd rather put up with it until the job is done over being 20k in debt

>> No.20855964

>>20855801
Well the client didn't uphold her end of the agreement at all.
This is why written contracts are important and even though verbal agreements are enforceable, it becomes a shitshow in court when you're trying to prove an agreement through text and discord messages.

>> No.20856008

>>20855801
>I don't care how much of an annoying bitch a client is, I'd rather put up with it until the job is done over being 20k in debt
idk what layna's situation was entirely obviously, but that sounds like an incredibly retarded mindset. I think most people would have a reasonable limit that would make them call it quits. It only just makes me wonder just how much of a cunt Bunny was that Layna just decided to eat that debt.

>> No.20856114

>>20855964
I can't understand why they'd have 20k in the air WITHOUT something written. You don't have to have a fucking law degree to get that arranged, do you?

>> No.20856342

>>20856114
It wouldn't have cost much to get a lawyer to draft a contract, always have your shit in writing.
Also don't go into business with friends, especially mentally ill and backstabbing "internet friends," generally your relationship won't survive when shit hits the fan.

>> No.20856372

And another one
https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1ss05pm

>> No.20856486

>>20856114
The agreement was that Layna's company would cover production costs, and use the figure sales to make good. Once the costs had been addressed, the rest of the profits would be split between them. So fulfilling her side of the deal was very much in Bunny's financial interests - more sales meant more money for her. But she was too petty and vindictive to simply be professional.

>> No.20856582

>>20856372
this was the one i was waiting for the whole time but because he's a literal who its not going to be really damning

>> No.20856596

>>20856372
it just keeps getting better

>> No.20856667

>>20855271
I don't think she gives a fuck no

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>>20856596
Its open season on both retards now, every little real or made up interaction will be exaggerated, and they seem to fucking deserve it.

>> No.20856885

>>20840341
Don't know who this is, but nice tits so apology accepted.

>> No.20856915

>>20856582
true but at least it confirms some things I was suspecting

>> No.20856978

>>20856372
that's a lot of words tl;dr?

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>>20856582
oh good after reading through it its REALLY not damning, both because he won't get noise made and also because it's all bullshit like "he stole my emotes after we had a duo emote", which admittedly back then wasn't a huge thing but the way he's been vagueing made it sound like the dude was actively undermining the channel rather than poaching
got my hopes up for fuckin' nothing

>> No.20857114

>>20856372
Bahroo and Bunny really were made for each other.

>> No.20857140

>>20856372
Blood is on the water, it's open season now

>> No.20857157

>>20856689
Please do not post the Watamelon with big eyes. It's disgusting

>> No.20857172

>>20856372
>big streamer stole my brand and now I'm not a millionaire like him ;(

who fucking cares

>> No.20857249

Will there ever be a Western indie who's not a huge slut?

>> No.20857265

>>20857172
There's some other stuff in there beyond that, like unblocking him and talking to him due to a court case ????????? but basically all it does is corroborate the dude's been using others for years and this guys salty he isn't as big as Bahroo. Could have easily been brought down a couple of pages.

>> No.20857271

>>20857249
No, i'm making sure of that.

>> No.20857322

>>20855271
>this was frog’s plan from the start
Bros, she’s playing 10d chess and we’re the pawns.

>> No.20857870

Watching a stream about this whole shit going on, one of the people in the chat is claiming there are nudes dug up from her discord.

>> No.20857921

>>20857870
who is streaming this right now?

>> No.20858008

Who the hell is supposed to be wrangling Bunny and Bahroo? Don’t they share a manager?

>> No.20858028

>>20857921
a guy called flamenco. I think he wants to be a small-time vtuber keemstar.

>> No.20858106

>>20858028
oh, that faggot. he's already flipflopped the sides like three times, not worth listening to
>>20858008
evilbunny is a major player in their PR corporation but she's not an active member in every affiliated streamers chat, so she's part of a bigger whole. one that's probably minutes away from cutting her off entirely

>> No.20858123

>>20857870
I mean she was pretty much naked in many of her cosplay photos, I remember seeing one with her pussy showing through her panties.

>> No.20858133

>>20858028
Oh yeah flamenco is the drama reporter
I liked him with jim's

>> No.20858185

>>20857870
god I wish.

>> No.20858232

>>20858028
that guy is laughable. i think he used to be on an alt-right podcast but got involved in some kind of drama himself and got kicked off. Last time I watched him, he was on a call with the most menhera vtuber I have ever seen, a deranged and super religious schizo lady who spoke in tongues on stream and rebuked demons. It was wild. I don't remember her name.

>> No.20858311
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20858311

Numberfags here. Bahroo lost 9k followers during the last stream. Since this drama has unfolded he's lost 7k followers per day. Feel free to point and laugh

>> No.20858315

>>20858106
Both Evil Bunny and evilbunny have shamed themselves beyond repair and they should be getting in a huge fight right now over who gets to fire whom first.

>> No.20858345

>>20858311
What about Bunny?

>> No.20858367

>>20858028
>shrill fake dame laugh impression
>took the side of vshojo in their dnd metoo bullshit
>supported nux as if that pathetic gamma male shouldn't have necked himself long ago
>room temp takes on anything else he ever talks about
God he's such an insufferable faggot.

>> No.20858370

>>20858311
Followers are a worthless statistic, the dude has almost 900k, subs are the only one that matters because they're the ones who decide on if he keeps making money or not.

And lets be real; he will NEVER dip below 10k subs.

>> No.20858434

>>20841766
>>20843495
Ayame is a whore who doesn't stream

>> No.20858592

>>20858311
I unfollowed after his stream today. Only because he's a cuck simping for pussy he's never touched. Sad. I even cancelled my gifted sub. Good riddance. All he had to do was shut the fuck up. What an idiot.

>> No.20858657

>>20858345
She hasn't streamed since this whole thing went down so we dont have solid numbers on that yet

>> No.20858679

>>20858315
At this point I'm just wondering what the hell evilbunny even does for anyone. [apology here] was the be-all end-all for their career.

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>>20857870
I highly doubt there's any nudes, the most I've ever heard was some guy who claimed she sent him topless pics on Gaia Online.

>> No.20858799

>>20858679
from what I can tell, the first of Bunny's three apologies had evilbunny all over it (this was made apparent because the revisions were public in the google doc).
After that, she declared that she was "taking a step back," and I tend to believe her.
This third non-apology (the one Bunny posted today) genuinely seems to be her work alone.

>> No.20858809

>>20856372
That's nothing. It's like streamers who make emotes with inspiration from memes.

>> No.20858835

>>20858679
At least we got a new meme out of this. Holy kek.

>> No.20858844

>>20858785
keep em coming. i love bunny's bunnies

>> No.20858926

>>20858799
>and I tend to believe her.
But why? The first step of PR is lying.

>> No.20859070

>>20858926
i don't believe her because she's trustworthy, i believe her because the 2nd and 3rd apology seem exactly like they were written without anyone's help, even an idiot's help. They just sound like Bunny.

>> No.20859256

>>20840341
/vt/ really is addicted to drama.

>> No.20859310

>>20848220
blueball shit. we get hints of areolae, hole and bush but nothing more.

>> No.20859321

>>20859256
Anonchama, this a literal gossip board about women, of course there will be drama discussed.

>> No.20859345

>>20859256
/vt/ has nothing good to its name nor has it had anything good since its inception. Reminder, this board is literally a containment board, no different than /mlp/.

>> No.20859357

>>20859256
/vt/ is an eceleb board, of course it's addicted to drama

>> No.20859415

>>20848537
>>20848921
>>20849147
knowing what we know now. a lot of this comic is awkward.

>> No.20859421

Can you imagine if she actually sued and won?

>> No.20859425

>>20859256
I only ever come here for drama. Autistic levels of detailed coverage here.

>> No.20859454

>>20858311
The fuck does 2.9K% and 5.2K% mean? I've never seen that notation anywhere.

>> No.20859520

>>20859454
2,900% and 5,200%
retard

>> No.20859523

>>20856372
Bahroo has been stealing emotes for as long as I can remember. Sadly, this is the new normal for twitch so this won't surprise anyone.

>> No.20859545

>>20849871
boy that aged so well.

>> No.20859546

>>20859345
is there pony drama and gossip on /mlp/?
Sis, did you hear wut Pinkie Pie just said behind Applejack's back?

>> No.20859552

I just want her to do porn already.

>> No.20859801

>>20859552
Why? There's like thousands of girls more attractive who have done nudes.

>> No.20859839

>>20859546
I can't tell if you're joking or not because this is literally what happened on /mlp/ and cost multiple people their jobs.

>> No.20859854

>>20859801
attractiveness is not the only measure when it comes to making your pp hard. Familiarity and level of taboo count even more than attractiveness.

>> No.20859954

>>20852927
again. damn that aged so well.

>> No.20860244

>>20859256
>drama that's unrelated to my Oshi
good
>drama related to my Oshi
Oh nonononono

>> No.20860416

do you think fat tits might keep trying to get silver or the rest of vshojo involved. how far do you think she would go.

>> No.20860447

>>20860244
Take your meds

>> No.20860466

>>20860416
10 bucks she will say someone raped her.

>> No.20860469

moonmoon is next

>> No.20860509

>>20860416
If Silver is any example, it seems like ties have been neatly cut for a long time. I don't she has anything that would get any of them to speak or act publicly.

>> No.20860564

>>20860509
what about RTX pics or doxx leaks?

>> No.20860650

>>20860564
I genuinely do not think she is stupid or evil enough to do that. It would make her already shitty situation exponentially worse.

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must suck to be this fucking dude right now

>> No.20860696

>>20860564
pretty certain this would just lead to an actual lawsuit from vshojo

>> No.20860698

>>20860469
Don't you fuckin DARE! Though now I'm starting to believe his wife is real AND a vtuber. Fuck.

>> No.20860720

>>20853692
Retired emotes from his main channel go to Rescue. He knows his emotes are the main selling point of a subscription for his Twitch channel.

>> No.20860721

why the fuck are there 0 gifs of bunny's tits in this thread

>> No.20860821

>>20860469
GIGA DRAMA

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>>20860721

>> No.20860954
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>>20860721
I don't have any gifs, so have these sexy saggy tits instead

>> No.20861041

>>20860684
It sucked to be that dude when he got the tattoo. Looks like shit.

>> No.20861107

>>20859070
[Apology here]

>> No.20861254

>>20860244
no one wants the drama to be about their oshi

>> No.20861339

>>20853577
Bitches like her forget what they've done the second they do it. It comes as naturally to them as breathing.

>> No.20861371

>>20859546
If you want a serious answer, there were a few bickering over who’s character is better or not, but it’s mostly ironic shitposting. Nobody really cares.

No, real drama have to do with real people. Artists, cosplayers, etc. But MOSTLY cons and cons organizers. Purple Tinker was the most hated person for a while, for her shit organisation of the first Bronycon, but Las Pegasus Unicon was still the biggest shitshow,

>> No.20861416

>>20861371
kek I like that someone actually knows this stuff

>> No.20861424

>>20860447
how new are you that you think this is schizo?

>> No.20861458

>>20851135
What was Saruei's drama?

>> No.20861627

>>20861458
she and her mod were rude on discord.
That's literally all.

>> No.20861676

>>20860684
>>20861041
I don't know, can hardly tell its her, could always deny it

>> No.20861753

>>20861676
with a bit of a touch-up I think a good artist could change it to Veibae.

>> No.20862008

>>20860684
>>20861041
>>20861676
>>20861753
thankfully for him the tattoo removal industry is booming

>> No.20862173

>>20861424
>i can read that anon's thoughts

>> No.20862284

>>20861416
Why do you think we call them holobronies?

>> No.20862468

>>20860851
she is so fucking hot jfc

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>>20862173
Good luck.

>> No.20862731

>>20862468
Wish she'd do porn instead of twitlongers

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>>20852280
Obligatory copy-paste QRD:
Bunny Main Drama:
>Bunny commissioned Layna to make a figurine
>Bunny is a bitch. Constantly asking for revisions, and making excuses as to why she's refusing to advertise/announce the very product she herself requested despite Layna being mostly done with her end of the bargain
>Bunny invites Layna to a private cosplayer Discord server
>Layna witnesses a lot of very toxic behavior by Bunny there. Accusing other girls of copying her, body shaming them, making up rumors, pressuring friends to retweet her stuff, weaponize her friend circle and community to shun people, etc
>No one says anything because she's the alpha thot of that circle
>One day Bunny is chewing out someone for not retweeting one of her posts. Layna had enough and objected, while Bunny got angry and left the Discord server.
>Bunny starts slandering Layna saying she attacked her, even reaching out to Layna's business partners trying to sabotage deals (despite still being in a business relationship with Layna for the figure)
>Bunny didn't fulfill her end of the contract, refusing to take photos for prints to be included with collectors edition of the model. Realizing that this was going last months while being sabotaged by Bunny's clique, Layna fired her as a client. No more figure.
>Refund time. Layna took on $20000 in debt paying back pre-orders out of her pocket. Meanwhile, Bunny kept $2100 in pre-order money without refunding anything.
>Bunny continues the slander, adding that Layna stole the money and ran.
>Layna reaches a breaking point and stops streaming for over a year. Says this is one of the reasons she is now a vtuber and refuses to ever facecam again; she was afraid of online harassment by Bunny and felt safety hiding behind an avatar.
>Bunny continues sabotaging relationships. Other streamers or vtubers Layna was on good terms with would suddenly block or ghost her, and she concluded that Bunny was likely responsible
>Layna keeps her head low to avoid trouble. But reaches another breaking point recently when Bahroo blocked her despite Layna never speaking to him
>Layna goes public with this story and a huge pile of screenshots and business receipts that back up her claims
>Bunny posts an apology -- with comments disabled, naturally. However, the exact wording makes it look like she's shifting blame and refusing to accept responsibility, instead insisting its partially victims' fault. Apology widely rejected.
>Google Drive records reveal the above apology was actually written by someone whose job title is "Influencer Relations Manager" and not Bunny herself. Unsurprisingly, this makes Bunny look even worse since she paid someone to apologize for her.
>Bunny (or someone for pro-Bunny) report the post revealing the apology's fake origins, along with Layna's initital post revealing Bunny's bad behavior, in order to get them scrubbed from Twitter. Again, backfires.
>Eventually several others in the vtuber/streamer community come out as backing up Layna's claims.
>Bunny appears to finally snap. She releases yet another tweet, this time going on the offensive. Lots and lots of victim blaming, or at least an attempt to make Layna equally culpable as herself. This post is far less sympathy-evoking than her previous ones, and appears to her be lashing out in anger rather than any sort of damage control.

Bahroo Side Drama:
>Bahroo (one of the largest indie twitch vtubers) is revealed to be one of the people directly slandering Layla to other streamers. He admits full guilt and apologizes on Twitter.
>Sidenote: Bahroo is, or at least was, in an open/poly sexual relationship with Bunny. Which is probably why he agreed to do her bidding despite not being in her cosplayer clique.
>Bahroo remains quiet on Twitter after the apology, but a few days later directly contradicts his previous apology during a stream by shifting to a strongly victim-blaming stance, claiming Layna is a "professional victim" and the "start of everything". He later deletes the VOD for this stream.
>Bahroo then announces he is taking a week off streaming due to the drama. In this announcement, he returns to a sympathetic and apologetic tone similar to his original apology, contradicting his previous statements on stream.

>> No.20863181

Within 48 hours of now:

>some faggot makes a post asking if anyone has heard from bunny/bahroo.
>they will say they tried to commit suicide but are now safe uwu
>layna backpedals on aggro
>some clout chaser puts out a friendly reminder that the retard couple are only human and to not be too harsh
>fun is over

>> No.20863563

>>20863181
normally I'd agree with you but I don't really see many people siding with Bunny or Bahroo in this instance

>> No.20863835
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20863835

>>20863181
She said she's done. Looks like she'll be back to streaming tomorrow with a collab with the Vales

>> No.20863876

it's funny cause i remember watching bahroo back when he started and was a borderlands 2 streamer and he had to cut relations with a streamer then too for being shitty in some way

>> No.20864095

>>20858311
>followers meaning anything

>> No.20864281

>>20863876
Professor Broman and his crew.

Prof. Broman went to AGDQ to do commentary, donation readings and run a game or two. While attending the event, a trap named "Missy" was seen often with him. Broman went to hit it, but "Missy" got cold feet. Slight problem. Broman was married at the time. "Missy" told Broman's wife.

Broman recovered mind. Became a big Destiny 2 streamer, runs a charity event and even remarried. How? Because an even bigger drama happened at that AGDQ. Sam and Toki

>> No.20864552

>>20860684
I don't think I've ever felt a shred of sympathy for anyone who tattoos anime or people onto themselves and I don't think I'm about to start now.

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