/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

He's right, you know.
You either watch rejects or the real thing.

[Anonymous No.]

next time just rewrite the thing on the op, asshole

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine being rejected in favor of SANA lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
I'd rather watch rejects, thanks. at least they put in more effort than the real thing

[Anonymous No.]

its funny/sad that corpo drama always results in indies getting fucked over by burnouts and disillusionment from the genre, gfe etc

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[Anonymous No.]

who else like apple products and blacked.com?

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>>19774570
Sana's extremely talented. She just has a bad model and refuses to stream.

[Anonymous No.]

ok
it's not like the process that rejected them is infallible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
>He's
That's your post retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
Imagine losing out to Council. Must sting.

[Anonymous No.]

The biggest question is if they can move on and find their own niche. Clearly Fulgur cannot.

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>>19774551
>>19774586
>>19774627
>>19774673
>>19774694

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>>19774673
True.
But being that bitter about not getting the job makes the decision of not picking you justified, which is the case of some nijis and probably a lot more indies than we know of.

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>>19774607
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.]

You only need to consider the quality of Council to realize that "Holoreject" is nothing but praise.

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>>19774642
>extremely talented
Haven't seen that in any collab she ever showed up in, or in the one stream of hers I bothered to watch. Maybe her talents are elsewhere?

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>>19774475
Sana shouldn't hurt because she was a nepotism hire if anything it's unfair that Ina fucked a slot up when we could have got an actual chuuba who gave a shit about streaming.

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>>19774642
She might be extremely talented at all sorts of random things. But I don't care if she's a world class water polo player, she's a shit chuuba.

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>>19774904
If the quality of the competition is so bad, but you're STILL losing to them, what does that say about yourself?

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>>19774904
>you only need to consider
No.

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>>19774904
>council is bad, so rejects MUST be better!
Nijicope

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>>19774971
That you aren't Ina's friend, by the looks of it...

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>>19774607
Who?

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>>19774920
Yes, the audience clearly likes both things exactly the same, that's why they have the same numbers. Oh...

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>>19775006
So it was about Sana all along?
She literally doesn't stream, stop obsessing over her so much and enjoy your rejects nijinigger

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>>19775095
Ooh, touchy.

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>>19774475
now nijibros are trying to paint us the bad guys, when their oshi was caught red-handed seething hahaha!

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>>19774971
The only thing it says anything about is the hiring process.
Council were picked based on the amount of dead subs they had or how close they were to the current members, neither of which have anything to do with quality.
NijiEN is guilty of this too, by the way. Reimu's PL had the most subs out of them all, but she's definitely not the best in the group.

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>>19775095
She doesn’t stream but she mogs their talents. They can’t stand it.

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>>19774475

If you're admitting that Sana and Kronii shouldn't be in hololive, then aren't you just admitting that they do not always hire the best? And, maybe, shocker, that even if other ens are holo rejects doesn't make them subpars streamers and not worth watching? You are literally arguing in favor of watching the most popular thing by virtue of it being the most popular. You're proving Connor right.

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>>19774475
This implies that Hololive audition/management are flawless judges and only choose the best. Given what we know about Cover's management elsewise, why would anybody assume this to be the case? ESPECIALLY after Council?

Not having Coco around to filter out candidates for the second gen hurt them tremendously. I have no doubt it was in large part thanks to her that Myth was the runaway success that it was.

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>>19775311
nijicope

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>>19775281
>Reimu catches strays from nijiniggers too
She can’t catch a break.

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>>19774904
COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE

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>>19775039
Brand, marketing and exposure

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>>19775390
Cope.

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>>19774805
The feesh and the grapes

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>>19775339

retardchama....

You are the endgame of a numberfag. Imagine letting subscriber numbers dictate what you watch and find enjoyable. I know you're too scared to form opinions without other people validating them for you, but you can watch other vtubers and judge who is best for yourself, you're a big boy.

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>>19775344
I'm a truthspeaker first, Nijichad second.

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>>19774475
Not everyone applied
Not everyone wants to be in hololive
That was, in their opinion, the best they could do

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>>19774475
nig

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>>19774475
I went with the rejects route, not planning going back

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>>19775489
nijicope beyond belief

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>>19775612
Don't worry, surely today they will stream

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>>19775454
Yes, that's the reason all events in hololive are in the main channel like Nijisanji

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>>19775489
Dude, nijis are literal numberfags who are mad their numbers aren't as good as talents they consider inferior because Luxiem has better numbers than her.

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>>19775647
holos mog your whores without ever streaming, hurts doesn't it?

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>>19775733
>holos mog your whores without ever streaming
Not at streaming hours.

[Anonymous No.]

petty livers, petty fans hahaha There's so many to leak, why it had to be the petty channel, nijibros. Funniest part is, you got almost no reaction whatsoever to the holoen girls haha. The definition of rent-free!

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>>19775784
>They may be shit, but at least we get hundreds of hours of shit.
Nice.

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>>19775019
Mike

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>>19776005
Don't put words in my mouth, you semi-sapient brony.

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>>19776005
seethe holocel

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>>19774805
That's fucking retarded, foxes only eat meat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19775733
Nice cope.

>>19776005
>I don't watch anything but one corpo
>let me talk about everyone else
Fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

I only consume media that has been approved for me by having the biggest numbers

my favorite music is that korean boy band and my favorite tv show is big bang theory. i love marvel super hero movies and this is why I'm smart enough to watch holoEN

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>>19776338
To add to this, my favorite book is 50 Shades of Gray and I love the recent Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty.

[Anonymous No.]

screenshotting and reposting your own post is on a new level of low below even twitter posts and screenshots of other chans talking about us

[Anonymous No.]

I agree

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>>19774805
Please do not use my smelly fish wife for your shitposts. Thank you.

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>>19776428
>I love the recent Assassin's Creed
unironically this, they're the same shit over and over again, but it's pretty good

[Anonymous No.]

Did I miss some rrat or something? What are you all even on about?

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>>19776338
>I only consume underground music because that makes me cool. But if they go mainstream, I hate them already
you're trying to make a dumb point, anon

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>>19776428
hey buddy I think you're in the wrong year, 2015 is two doors down

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>>19776587
You're retarded, changing your opinion of something because it becomes popular is a different can of worms entirely. if you're really this stupid please kill urself thank u

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>>19776564
councilfags cope with their chubas phoning it in by being numberfags and saying anyone who points out how retarded they are is nijicope

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>>19774475
how many of us really believe that Sana is one of the top 11 EN Female VTubers in the world? As with any performing job, there's a ton of subjectivity and politics that means that even the best brand in VTubing doesn't land all of the best talents. Especially with performers like Mousy putting up numbers north of Gura's

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>>19776587
Are we still on Niji vs Holo? Because Niji is as mainstream as vtubing gets.
I know I shouldn't expect much from a board that doesn't even know mid-tier corps like 774, but holy shit.

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>>19776638
>if you're really this stupid please kill urself thank u
saying I am stupid when your whole case is hating on something that is popular, you edgy boy anon haha

[Anonymous No.]

>quoting yourself
lol

After seeing the embarrassment Council (outside of rrat) is, being rejected for HoloEN is practically a badge of honor

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>>19776939
ask /#/ lol they think she worked for her subs

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>>19776625
>2015 is two doors down
Is it really? Can I go back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19776338
KEK

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>>19777028
Once again, saying that the most popular thing in a field is not necessarily the best in that field is not "hating on it" you fucking retard. It's just stating an objective fact that something being the most popular doesn't mean it's the best.

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>>19777550
>totally not hating on holos
who are you kidding? you're on /vt/ in an anti-niji thread. stop pretending acting cool and shit, edge boy

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>>19776121
you fool
you absolute moron

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>>19775682
proof? I bet you didn't even read that image

[Anonymous No.]

>>19777000
it's vtubers vs holo
holofags don't watch anything else and trash everyone else who does

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>>19778077
someone send this anon, their liver's Chrome with Playboard as a shortcut hahaha

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>>19774971
I wouldn't want holobronies as my fanbase to begin with, they'll eat any shit with a hololive sticker slapped on it

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>>19774475
This is under the assumption that cover always hires the best person. They don't.
Council was picked INCREDIBLY poorly. You got one person too busy with college to stream, another who is too depressed to put any effort into their content, and a third nepotism hire who never streams. I'm not even angry at them for it, I'm angry at Omega for not realizing that hiring a college student, a full time professional artist, and some one who preferred "They/Them" pronouns might be a poor idea.
I think the only reason myth turned out as good as it did was because Coco was personally involved in the vetting process.

"Oh but anon" I hear you declare, sipping on your corn syrup, smug in your unabashed support for a management structure you know nothing about, "If Council were poor choices, when why are their numbers higher than NijiEN's? hmmm?" entirely unaware of how much of a massive cope that is.
Because Council is standing on the shoulders of giants. Gura, Amelia, Kiara, Mori, but most of all Kiryu Coco, who nearly singlehandedly created an English audience for Hololive, did all the signal boosting and networking that management should have done themselves, then singlehandedly pitched and pushed for the creation of Hololive English. Everyone who else in Hololive English either builds atop of or simply coasts on the hard work of some one who isn't even in the company any more. By the time Council debuted, they already has ten times as big a platform as any of the Nijis did.
You're looking at a trustfund kid and saying they're a better businessman than a self made entrepreneur.

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>>19778458

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>>19775333
>myth
three decent/good, two horrible (kiara and "deathgirl"
>council
three good, two terrible (Sana, Kronii)

Pretty much the same

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>>19778571
keep seething holobronie lmao

[Anonymous No.]

In theory Hololive is the creme de la creme or whatever but after you disregard all the financial bonuses holos get, like tons of covers and original songs and alt outfits, once the streams start going they're not much better or worse than other vtubers. Just gotta find the ones you vibe with

[Anonymous No.]

I hate tribalists no matter which side they are.
Lots of them don't even cares about "their" corp as much as taking down the other guy.

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>>19774912
they're talking about the hiring process dipshit

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>>19776121
Aren't they omnivores?

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>>19778713
This. The only Holo I watch these days are Kiara, Reine, and Fauna. The rest either Indies or Nijis, simply because I don't really like anyone else in Holo.

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>>19774475
Let's be honest, everyone. Nobody really believes that retard on a pic watched anything except for holotrash.

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>>19775039
Yes, because popularity is totally equivalent to quality and not just marketting and being the least offensive option. And no, I don't mean that oshis that say the nigger word are better, by least offensive, I mean things that have the weakest appeal have the widest appeal.

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>>19775412
So what's the difference between Holo X and their past lives then? I don't think someone's ability to be entertaining will change that much within a week and joining a bigger corpo. To me it seems like Holo gave them the exposure and eyes upon them in which being independent couldn't offer them.

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>>19778216
Keeping track of numbers is literally part of her job. She can open it and see how her sub count and supas are doing without automatically seething over others. Do you seethe that other people make more than you every time you open your bank account? Are you even old enough to HAVE a bank account?

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>>19775682
>ijis are literal numberfags who are mad their numbers aren't as good as talents they consider inferior
Do you have proof or is it conjecture?

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>>19781108
anon, you asked for proof I gave you proof. How did it end t o you wanting to know if I have a bank account??? haha. To answer your seething, not every liver keep track to their numbers. Don't flock everyone to your oshi who got exposed as being numberfag haha

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>>19774475
>Insert monogatari quote about the fake having more value because it puts in more effort trying to be the real thing

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>>19774475
That's because Cover don't hire people based on their ability to stream but based on their ability to sell themselves. Calli got in through having multiple years of experience writing music, Gura had a huge following on her roommate account, Kiara was an idol, Ina is a hugely successful artist and Ame is a tech wizard.
Can apply the same shit to IRyS. Enna has a better vocal range than IRyS but didn't get picked because she doesn't speak nip while IRyS does. Council are the same. They didn't get hired because they're good streamers but because they were skilled at something, or had decent to large followings.

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>>19782831
cope

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>>19775682

Even if they are it doesn't matter, you dumb fuck, do your literacy reps. The point is that it's retarded to argue that sub count = quality. Why would I care if the chuuba I'm watching has a bigger number on her profile than a chuuba I don't. Go watch pewdiepie if you want to get your viewing taste validated, he's at least 100 times better than your oshi by your metric.

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>>19774607
Why did he do it, bros?

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>>19774971
>the corporation is infallible and never hires the wrong people

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>>19774642
Non... In D&D terms, her charisma is sub 10

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>>19786291
>>19786352
cope

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>>19778604
May I ask, What's your problem with kronii?

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine using the ina nepotism card when you have elira in your company

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>>19774475
Numberfags are consoomers and should be banned on sight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19787616
Elira brought people who actually stream

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>>19774475
Brand psychosis. The Brand is God. The Brand knows best.

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>>19774475
>4chan screencap thread

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>>19787381
They/them are garbage. I don't like their design, and I don't like their voice, and I don't like their personality. They suck. Streams, fanart, and clips get ruined by including they/them.

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>>19778604
Kiara alone is already better than 99% of vtubers out there since the rest are so abysmally shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19788109
That's your personal taste anon.

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>>19774475
Holobronies are retarded.

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>>19788109
>They/them are garbage
>by including they/them.
You sound retarded. Just call her a tranny, sounds less stupid than whatever this is.

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>>19774904
Tell that to your pathetic niji "streamers" then if they feel so superior. They can't help suck holocock while also being their competitors.

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>>19774607
Oh shit, it's Jimmy

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>>19774475
To be fair, Sana was a nepotism pick

[Anonymous No.]

>>19788389
I'm respecting their pronouns which are they/them. Yes, she's a leftist loonie.

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>>19787616
Except Elira's Nepotism hires actually stream, promote the brand, and make money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19788851
oops i misgendered they/them. I'm truly sorry to him... her... i mean they/them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
I don't think a certain bear applied to Hololive

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>>19788851
>>19788871
You continue to sound retarded. Again, just call her a tranny.

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>>19775039
You're right. Holofags are tribalist retards who honestly think having Hololive next to someone's name instantly makes them superior. Meanwhile everyone else watches people they like regardless of agency.

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>>19774475
Holos are just idol rejects who couldn't make it as real idols.

[Anonymous No.]

Ok but if Council is good then why are you shitposting here instead of watching their streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19789079
kek

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>>19789145
Anon that implies anyone from Council is streaming...

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>>19774475
The only way that makes any sense is if you believe Hololive hires purely based on talent, which obviously isn't the case.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774627
OMG meeee

[Anonymous No.]

Skipping past Twitter says threads right into "I say" threads.
Fucking stupid
SAGE

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>>19787821
>>19788863
Streaming too much cheapens the product and makes people disinterested.
Sana streaming is now an event people excitedly gather for. Millie streaming is just another Tuesday.

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>>19774475
>you either watch eop-pandering JP-owned coorporate chuubas or real streamers that avoided the permission and rules hell.
Yeah sorry holobronies, but anyone else is more fun to watch. You'r elowest-common-denominator appeal garbage isn't superior in any way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19789449
>Sana streaming is now an event people excitedly gather for.
I'm not even a Nijinigger, but that just painfully wrong, say that to the 2k median CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
There’s so many quality nobodies in the smaller companies but Holobronies think they’re the sun. I like Pippa and she’d never be able to do anything she does under Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

Sana's awaited comeback will have 100k audience then disappear for a month and nijikeks will seethe about it

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>>19788966
She literally is a regular woman, except mentally disturbed and has stupid "pronouns" that don't make sense for a singular person. She wants to be called "they/them" not "she/her". I'm sorry you're too retarded to understand, it's a stupid concept but I guess you have never encountered the nuance that is SJW retardation.

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>>19790241
>I like Pippa
Not helping anon.

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>>19791205
Didn't her February "comeback" stream top out at 2.5k?

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>>19792349
You're misunderstanding. I'm not calling you retarded for making fun of the pronouns. I'm calling you retarded because using "they/them" like that in a sentence makes you sound retarded. That's not even how the trannies use it.

[Anonymous No.]

Holos are usually a hit, I trust their auditioning process.
As someone that have worked in entertainment all my life, the balls they had to call off a whole audition process because the applicants were subpar is the stuff I've only heard in backstage stories.
The worst holos are usually nepotism hires anyway.

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>>19783305
>Enna has a better vocal range than IRyS but didn't get picked because she doesn't speak nip while IRyS does
Irys roomate's youtube channel and covers are huge. She was easily the biggest english speaking cover artist out there not named Amalee; and much bigger in japan then amalee was/is.

so her being hired by hololive was a no brainer for cover, and only a mistake if amalee also applied (who knows if she did) as she would have been a bigger hit with EN. Without amalee in the mix irys is the best choice cover could have made, and it feels like a choice made with the feedback from coco; so does part of council.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>19793695
>>19792349
fight fight fight fight

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>>19774475
It's funny how the way /vt/ strokes holo and niji dicks all the time is like how /a/ is into Dragon Ball and My Hero Academia, and you couldn't prove it wrong

[Anonymous No.]

so which one of you anon is reimu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19795302
yeah, and clearly Goku = Gura, so holo mog everyone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
This has to be the the dumbest fucking take I've seen in a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>had the opportunity to join EN3 but rejected it because she didn't like the terms they offered

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>>19795708
>had the opportunity to get nepotism'd in by Fauna into EN3, but rejected it because she's still salty they hired Fauna for EN2 instead of her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19795958
Cope, more people are not as interested in walking into the glided cage that is Holo EN.

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>>19796260
These are mentally ill, neet women anon, they have to be on a leash to not fuck everything up and even then you got shit like Rushia.
Do you really think someone would pass on the most profitable and stable job in the vtuber scene just because they wouldn't be able to play some video games?

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>>19774971
nothing, but Connor was right.

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>>19789449

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>>19796741
She's stated a few times in the past that she doesn't care about money and gets upset that there are people that become vtubers solely to make money and become famous, etc. I don't really watch her but the few times I stop by it's usually end up getting to see/hear these types of conversations.

[Anonymous No.]

What I find insufferable about Nijisanji is that they pretend to the Idol Larp without committing. All the talent, even the ENs joke about being Hololive style idols but then act like Vshojo style whores.

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>>19797851
>joke about being Hololive style idols
When? No, not in your head.
If you like sanitized content, then go ahead. But you don't need to bring your headcanon to justify your tribalfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19788465
AY YO WHOS JIMMY

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774920
But most people aren't fatasses and don't have the time or appetite to eat two cakes. They have to choose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19797851
>All the talent, even the ENs joke about being Hololive style idols
lol fuck no, even the idolfag Pomu says she never wants to be an idol. Do you really have to resort to making things up?

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>>19799316
Sure, but then normal people don't then talk about how shit the other cake is to justify their choice, they just say they picked the one they liked the best. And maybe when they have time they'll go checked out the other one, but even if not they can still be normal about it.

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>>19799968
>normal people don't then talk about how shit the other cake is to justify their choice
Have you never talked to other people? That's all they ever do.

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I don't even feel any anger towards people with stance like OP pic, merely pity because they'll never go outside their bubble and experience truly magical stuff like VWP, the occasional niji events, nomikai, geinin ryouran/haremono, and others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19778864
Yes they are and they eat fruit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774642
>refuses to stream.

so shes bad at her job

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
call me a faggot for this i don't care but, hololive sucks, i used to watch them and only once i went indie irealized how garbage they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
counterpoint: Sana made it in, casting don't mean shit anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19775344
Reimu is literally the worst streamer in NijiEN. There's a good reason for her low numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19803050
Ok, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19796855
If Connor was right, why did he have to join Vshojo? Contradiction much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19803050
faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19803480
He's not in VShojo retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19803572
so he's just their bitch then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
Step away from the PC and go back to the crazy house

[Anonymous No.]

>>19803050
Yeah you're a faggot
t. 90% niji and indie fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19777982
Holo is a WOLF

[Anonymous No.]

>>19778604
Kiara is lovely

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
>You either watch rejects or the real thing.
I'd like to watch "the real thing" but they don't even stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19774475
Fallenshadow rejected Hololive, so where does she fall?