/#/ - Numbers

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*GENERAL NUMBERFAG SITES*
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://www.vstats.jp
>https://www.vtube.life/ranking/daily
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/nCGZL1Lp

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *

Here it goes
>56,546: Aki (Hololive)
>29,177: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>28,343: Okayu (Hololive)
>25,422: Aqua (Hololive)
>23,867: Choco (Hololive)
>17,011: Hal (merise)
>16,182: Gura (Hololive)
>13,582: Fubuki (Hololive)
>13,521: Laplus (Hololive)
>13,254: Vox (Nijisanji)
>11,879: Towa (Hololive)
>11,806: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>11,267: Koyori (Hololive)
>11,211: Shiina (Nijisanji)
>11,117: Flare (Hololive)

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/#/ is declining.

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>>18577632
>Once for Taiwan, which was bullshit and not even her fault
That suspension was more similar to "protective custody" than anything, designed to take the heat off of her back. It worked for her, not so much for Coco which was already a target

> and once they changed their rules so she couldn't do her schizo shit anymore.
They didn't, the rules were the same that got Asacoco in trouble: depictions of self harm (for the most part) and suicide.

It is one of the things I consider pretty much the peak of unbridled creativity by her audience, and peak of courage by herself as an artist in this medium by risking it all to show it uncensored and unfiltered (while voicing it and giving it live through her "lore") but I 100% understand why they put the foot down and stopped her before she went much farther than she already did.

Pic related, btw, is an allusion to a masterpiece of classical art and she was starting to get entries from that level of gruesomeness and above and she didn't filter a thing and showed in its full gory glory

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>>18578217
>4m subs
>can't even get 20k viewers
Pathetic.

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>>18578488
hey man

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>Pomu at barely above 1K viewers
With this massive recline that Nijisanji is going through right now, how long do you think Nijisanji EN can survive?

I think by the end of the year they will be merged with the main branch with all the girls graduating and only Luxiem staying to stream asian timeslots.

The branch can't be profitable with these absolutely pathetic numbers, right?

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>>18578622
you'd be surprised at how much a 2k streamer can make

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>>18577342
Mitobros...

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>>18578736
>69days

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>>18578715
Not enough to keep a company afloat, no

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>>18578715
That's the point. Noone from the girls are 2K streamers.
Not even Elira is a 2K streamer anymore.
Only Selen remains but the entirety of NijiEN, outside of Luxiem, is reclining HARD.

I give them by 2023 to close the branch.

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>>18578959
manjisanji effect babyyyyyy

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>>18578959
Anon, there was a list of averages posted, and for Feb so far NijiEN gals have either been steady or gone up.

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reminder for the retards

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>>18578622
I dunno but their future is grim. They basically replaced their EN audience with chinks and we know these crowd are extremely volatile.

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>>18578959
Even 1k is fine, but they all get between 1-3k average. Also keep in mind those numbers are fake, they still get paid for the hidden viewers.

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>>18578622
Stop making my dick erect

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>>18578529
You know, while she's not doing as great as she used to (though I heard that she's actually trying right now) that series of her videos will forever be goated and easily put her in the history books of chuubas or hololive at least, the stuff and art she showed during some of those streams was just straight up guro... Everything around them was just wonderful and I don't think we'll ever see any holo do something to that extent and to the same great quality that haachama did... She did what she wanted and entered history so I think she's more than fine now getting whatever numbers but it would be nice to see her incline to a 10k floor at least

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>>18579233
>Even 1k is fine
maybe for a poorfag, but even then thats not the money they were dreaming about

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Collab 19k tapped!
Tensions ramping up as people have monopolies and money is getting tight.

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>>18579427
Currently their money heavily depends on how much they can squeeze from their gachis. The future really depends on if Nijisanji decides to step on the gas again for EN or let their current talents develop.

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>>18579427
Better than any of them were doing before, even factoring in Niji's cut. They're all in the top 40 earning English speaking vtubers, after the Holo ENs, Vshoujo, and a handful of twitch indies.

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Still on the same series of charts

>>18501891 :: Lamy
>>18499944 :: Haachama
>>18500137 :: Fubuki
>>18500317 :: Nene
>>18502675 :: Polka
>>18571251 :: Aki
>>18571365 :: Choco

I just retooled to be able to generate for the NijiEN girls too.

Here is Selen, an absolute TUNED CLOCK on keeping her median between 2500 and 2999 without even crossing the 3k line.

Which NijiEN girl you guys want next?

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>>18579427
Oh no earning at least an upper middle class living from doing something they love, I'm sure they must be devastated

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>>18579385
>straight up guro
Guro, vore, rape, decapitations, strangulations, she showed everything straight including making a whole ASMR stream about
>pouring lotion on Haato while she slept, only for her to wake up "all sticky and stuff"
I agree, that month will be studied in the future as one of the final examples of how far a corporate talented chuuba can actually go when unrestrained by rules or morals

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>>18579707
Just give us all of them, one after the other. We're at the start of the thread in the least shitposty hours, and I'm curious how well they've fared (yes, January is obv fucked, and the lingering flags of CCVID do need to be considered, but I want to see how they're stacking up anyways)

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19k for monopoly
impressive for a shit timeslot.

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>>18579829
>least shitposty hours
maybe if the guy chucking out bait about NijiEN fucks off

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>>18579596
This isn't about "How much money more money they earn than before" but rather "Do they make enough money to keep their branch afloat" because nijisanji is literally in that dire of financial straits right now

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>>18579707
>>18579829
>Just give us all of them, one after the other.
OK, here is Pomu, solid incline for the month of February and likely from Luxiem debut forward (if you consider January was plagued by CCVID)

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>>18580121
seems more aligned with the outfit debuts than luxiem

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>>18580090
I wonder just how much cancelling the concert cost them.

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>>18580263
outfit debuts will hardly move the dial on a median

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>>18580121
I wonder how much of the inclines have to do with the near constant collabs NijiEN has.

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>>18580121
>>18579707
Here is Elira which, like Selen, has a rock solid median except on the 2k line instead of on the 3k line.

Had a good end of November and December, anyone paid attention to know the reason for the incline?

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>>18580321
i mean after the debut of outfit most of pomus stream have been collabs and been riding that wave. her solo streams however are still on her old median of 1-2k with some obvisou outliners.

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>>18580316
Honestly, it feels like they were already not doing so hot financially if they searching for more investors is any indication, and the concert was supposed to be their big meal ticket so they dumped all their eggs into one basket that just happened to get set on fire.

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>>18579732
you're only upper middle class in colombia, reimu

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>>18580321
Correct, but it does draw attention to the channel and can kick off an incline. There's also been a lot of collabs and things in that period so this is a god case of 'wait and see'.

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*FINAL EN TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN*

Here it goes
>16,266: Gura (Hololive)
>13,255: Vox (Nijisanji)
>8,753: IRyS (Hololive)
>7,328: Mysta (Nijisanji)
>7,162: Luca (Nijisanji)
>6,250: Fauna (Hololive)

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>>18580481
They should be making a ton of money unless they really reinvented all their money into their tech.

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>>18580508
EN Gold so far for February

1. Gura (Hololive) - 14,594
2. Amelia (Hololive) - 16,124
3. Baelz (Hololive) - 13,090
4. Gura (Hololive) - 15,901
5. Gura (Hololive) - 21,737
6. Gura (Hololive) - 15,900
7. Baelz (Hololive) - 9,914
8. Mumei (Hololive) - 15,409
9. Vox (Nijisanji) - 14,841
10. Mori (Hololive) - 21,458
11. Kronii (Hololive) - 11,342
12. Baelz (Hololive) - 12,112
13. Ike (Nijisanji) - 11,391
14. IRyS (Hololive) - 15,466
15. Nijisanji English Official (Nijisanji) - 22,662
16. Gura (Hololive) - 18,916
17. Gura (Hololive) - 16,266

Hololive - 14
Nijisanji - 3
Others - 0

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>>18580508
kys

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>>18580090
Tax season is gonna rape the ones that didn’t save up a nest egg.

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>>18580090
Yes they make enough to keep their branch afloat.

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>>18578622
The problem with the NijiEN girls is that they're going after the same audience HoloEN is after. NijiEN need to appeal to different viewer pools and time zones and demographics, such as:

1. Males for NA hours
2. Kemono/anthro market
3. ESports

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>>18580548
Remind me how much profit they made in their last financial report? Because I'm pretty sure they did not make enough to cover renting a concert hall without dipping significantly into their savings.

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Aqua and Chloe both gained ground on Vox today in the monthly superchat race, he still remains around $24k ahead of both though. For tomorrow Vox and Chloe both have collabs scheduled while Aqua is releasing the MV for her new song, so should be a good day for her to prove she can still finish top.

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>>18580121
>>18579707
>>18580456
And to cap LazuLight, Finana. She seems to oscilate, having reclined during CCVID and bounced back recently, but still trailing her September 2021 numbers

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>>18580479
Since the new outfit (not including it), she's had 12 solo streams, 7 collabs, and 1 sponsored stream.

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>>18580674
The issue is the last financial report was from 2020. It’s pretty old.

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>At least I have a monopoly over europe
SHE KNOWS

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>>18580662
IDK where furries congregate but Esports is pretty much exclusive to twitch.

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>>18580662
end your life and do it quick, furfag

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>>18580479
>>18580496
Yeah seems like mostly collabs carried her this month. Her solo streams outside date stream and mgsr are sub 2.5k max
Didnt know VRBI did this graph.

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>>18580662
>1. Males for NA hours
That is the HoloEN audience?

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>>18580749
But Ina also streams in an Euro time slot and mogs the fuck out of Kiara

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>>18580788
Oh, now THAT'S a useful bit of visualization.

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>>18580689
To start OBSYDIA, here is Petra.

Her natural median seems to be around 1.2k, she is in an incline path tho since mid January (could be just CCVID wearing off and returning her to where she was in mid December)

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Not to be a doomer but, 2434 being in dire straights could explain why they threw caution to the wind with their festival, becuse they needed the cash influx badly.

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>>18580871
Ina is dead pretty frequently nowadays

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>>18580788
just some correction the failed truck simualtor and nintendo watchalong are also 3k

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>>18580956
why do nijis always tell me no one watches petra, this doesn't seem so bad

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>>18580685

>she can still finish top

there's no way her or chloe catch up to vox. every solo stream he gets at least 1k more and the gap is too big at this point

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>>18580963
I don't think they are about to go bankrupt anytime soon, but they are definitely at the point where the money flow has started drying up and they need to transition from "start up company with plenty of venture capital" to "Sustainable business model" and that's usually the part where most tech start-up fumble and fail.

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>>18581103
At this point it's become a meme desu.

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What happened to HoloJP? ENs numbed shaven changed but they frequently show up in to 5/10 tallies with absolute mediocre numbers

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>>18580956
Now, to finish Obsydia, here's
> Rosemi

DAMN, she inclined hard. Any NijiEN fag can shed light on why is she at the highest point of the period depicted?

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>>18581103
i mena if you put the graph next to luxiem or even counil you will see how bad it gets.
isolated these look like big inclines but are actually small.

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>>18580808
there must be a way for males to appeal to the NA audience

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>>18581212
Lots of YuGiOh streams

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>>18581212
Master Duel + MRE review

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>>18581107
Chloe is going to get huge payouts this month for Animal reaching 1 million, her original song releasing and her beating Jump King assuming she gets back to it soon. It's very likely Vox will win but it's absolutely not over yet.

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>>18581189
after valentine's they've gone full idol reps mode for holofes, the ones that have managed to stream have streamed bullshit, and holox hasn't had time to build a solid fanbase to carry the branch yet and they're being very dumb with their slots

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>>18581212
A lot of the unicorns flocked to her since she does the least stuff with males. Also she's pulled off some decent content recently.

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>>18581189
Holo Fes. They're going to make from their fans and disgruntled Niji fans who couldn't watch the Niji concert.

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>>18580662
>NijiEN fan
> Calling for furfag shit
Somehow I'm not surprised in the least. Yiff in hell furfag.

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>>18581212
She's been spamming YGO streams which are all 3k guarantee. Since the 29th she's done 18 streams of which 7 have been YGO. Also lots of single POV collabs.

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>>18581122
Cover trying to do this by going multimedia

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>>18581429
not really is mostly form yu gio oh
everything above 3k,is only yu gi oh related

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>>18581212
Now, to kick off Ethyria
>Reimu
On one hand, she's inclining, OTOH, she's inclining to barely over 1k from below 1k.

I makes these charts deliberately on an individual basis (instead of all together) because without having a variable Y axis these inclines wouldn't even register against (for instance) a 4k high Y axis

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>>18581668
this is the one that sucks vox dick right

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>>18581766
yes

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>>18581586
Cover has leeway to do that thanks to their phenominal performance back in 2020-2021. If the multimedia project falls through they have enough money to stomach the loss and just carry on. Unless Nijisanji somehow earned an order of magenitude more money in 2020 than compared to 2021 I don't see them having enough money to fuck around and find out.

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>>18580788
Pomu has had a 2k median since December. She's been pulling 2k on completely unknown games like Faith and Fears to Fathom. The incline from 2k to 2.5k is diue to single POV collabs though you are right.
>>18580456
November was carried by Pokemon for Elira

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>>18581668
Here's Nina, she had a very good incline in December and part of January, but is now stabilizing near 1.5k (granted, up from near 1k)

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>>18580121
How many MGR streams did Pomu do?

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>>18582332
Just two

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>>18582317
>Pomu has had a 2k median since December.
See >>18580121, she dipped below 2k for most of january and only returned up after
february started

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>>18582332
2

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>>18582332
2
and yes she finished the game

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>>18582139
Props to Nissin reaching out to them for CURRY CURRY. It really gave Cover a lot of cash to invest in various areas earlier and now they're kind of sustainable with regular sponsorship streams and occasional live concerts.

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>>18582139
It's kinda hilarious how Nijiniggers kept trying to throw shade on cover for investing their money in "worthless projects" and then it turns out Nijisanji is the one who put all their money in a bucket and set it on fire.

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>>18582325
Now here is Millie. She had a very bad November, then a very good December then reclined all the way back to a midpoint between her high and her low points.

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>>18582678
Last, but not least, Enna.
One of the few cases where there is a sustained incline and then it stays inclined (other than CCVID).

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>>18582454
That is a bit artificially debuffed due to multi POV collabs. She had 15 solo streams in Jan (not including the outfit reveal), and of those 7 were above 2k, which puts her median at 2k. And most everything that was below 2k was either highly debuff things like Akiba and Plutonia or Zatsudans.

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>>18582636
From the basic surface level knowledge that I have, Nijisanji banked all their money on their tech and marketing (you constantly see Nijisanji market their merch and whatnot in real life) while Cover partially ditched their tech business model to go all in on Hololive and went the game route.
Anycolor shutting down their side business probably hurt them quite a bit as well.

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Really wish these charts had trendlines

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>>18582325
its sad really, she plays a bunch of games i love to watch. i guess its a good reminder that just because i like it dosen't mean it will bring views

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so the conclusion from the charts for nijien girls is slight incline except for a couple of stalls and rosemi milking ygo
eh

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Here, for future reference

HoloJP
>>18501891 :: Lamy
>>18499944 :: Haachama
>>18500137 :: Fubuki
>>18500317 :: Nene
>>18502675 :: Polka
>>18571251 :: Aki
>>18571365 :: Choco

NijiEN
>>18580121 :: Pomu
>>18580456 :: Elira
>>18580689 :: Finana

>>18579707 :: Selen
>>18580956 :: Petra
>>18581212 :: Rosemi

>>18581668 :: Reimu
>>18582325 :: Nina
>>18582678 :: Millie
>>18582937 :: Enna

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>>18582954
Well, that's why you wait for more data. A proper permanent incline/decline is steady in where you end up after all, since you can only do so many collabs.

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>kiara tries to scam Gura
Viewers peak
>Kiara loses
Viewers drop
>Gura wins
Viewers drop harder
Didn't even top Gura's and Kiara Outlast collab.
Monopoly is truly a debuff

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>>18583293
they're only doing one round. gura winning means the stream is wrapping up

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>>18583293
it's FOUR IN THE FUCKING MORNING FUCK OFF

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>>18583293
>game ends
>viewers drop
No shit anon...

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>>18583151
Where's fucking VSPO? They are the only midgets worth a damn.

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>>18583127
>Pomu :: inclining
>Elira :: stable
>Finana :: inclining from recline


>Selen :: stable
>Petra :: inclining
>Rosemi :: inclining

>Reimu :: inclining
>Nina :: stable
>Millie :: inclining from recline
>Enna :: inclining massively

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just saw this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LId0iA03MCA
holo got perms now?

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>>18583076
The charts **are** the trendlines anon. They are 30 days rolling median, that's exactly what a trendline is because they're not showing the value of each point, only the aggregate

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>>18583711
lol no
Astel won't stream his POV

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>>18583711
he is playing on another ones channel anon

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>>18583711
No lol, they're pulling the standard
>I'm playing on someone else's channel :*)

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>>18583711
You don't need perms if you're playing in someone else's channel
>Suspiciously similar to Eddie Murphy tapping head and looking at camera.jpg

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>>18583742
its in 14 hours so still time for a frame. although yeah forgot they can do this >>18583764

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Choco sold 1575 cook books and 690 full sets, Aki sold 989 full sets.

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>>18583151
Thanks for the data, dude. It's interesting to see - I had the feeling the NijiEN girls had inclined a little lately, but their baselines were actually higher than I thought.

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>>18583910
What's the going price for each (in Yen?)

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>>18583837
For information, this is not the first time Stars member did something like this.
Temma play YGO on izumi channel too, and no POV from him.
As for Roberu, I heard he play against her off stream.

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>>18583101
It isn't just about games. I was the same and tried watching a few streams, but her voice and mannerisms were incredibly grating.

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>>18583910
>Do a single b-day event
>Earn more than the average YEARLY wage in merch sales even after cuts
Yea, if even Choco and Aki are earning this much it's very easy to see why monetary reasons are not why one would leave the big corpos.

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>>18584004
cookbook 1500 full set 20000, aki full set 16500

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>>18583910
NICE

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>>18583910
Do you have the number for the other too ?

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>>18583910
Happy for them

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>>18584195
Good value proposition for Choco cookbook. Also damn, these girls are making bank.
Are you sure about these numbers? 690*20000 = a fuckton of money

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>>18583910
>>18584195
Mejt that's a lot of money.

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>>18584122
It heavily depends on how expensive their full set is (if they even have one, IRyS didn't).
For example, Ame's full pack was $47.75 and she sold 3700 (176k). In a perfect world her fans would buy the packs regardless of the price, so if she set hers to Aki's price ($133) it would be 492k instead just from full set.
>>18584377
I just use the USD value usually (which is cheaper than JP value). These are basically the minimum amount of income they made (doesn't count geekjacket or the Indonesian storefront).

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>>18584195
>>18584377
>>18584488
Even if Choco cut is 10%, out of the full set alone she's making north of 12k USD. That's absurd and beautiful

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>>18583490
Does Map anon, even track using Vrabi? I was sure he said he won't use that source until it proves itself.

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>>18584377
I mean, with the way they spend hundreds on gacha it should give away, at least, the top dogs are rich.
But the thing is, unlike the rich ecelebs who rent expensive stuff to brag on the internet, these girls are still otakus at heart so their earnings go mostly to Otaku stuff than products from expensive brands.
I think Suisei is among the very few holos who also spend money on expensive normalfag stuff like channel bags or prada's clothes because she mentions them on stream and then there is Aqua getting her panties wet at her lastest Kirito's figure she got on Animate.

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>>18583490
>>18584670
>Does Map anon, even track using Vrabi?
Not yet. It is likely not hard to retool to get the VSPO data from them but, yeah, not yet.

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>>18584744
Then you have Pekora who is a hikki living with her parents pulling in 1.1 million from one merch run.

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>>18584592
Based on how they talk about merch their cuts are way better than almost anything else including superchats and ad revenue. Even the absolutely midgets in Hololive are doing quite well

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Does Niji have anything that can beat the Monopoly collab for EN Gold?

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>>18583910
Merch anon, can you dig for Aqua's EP later today since it's the last day for sale?

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>>18585108
Currently at 9441 sold (559 till sold out)

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>https://youtu.be/lw6nyfnfxh0
>Pekora from holo
>Kuzuha from niji
>Hal for apex
This shows who's the most popular vtubers and most of the awards are based on numbers.

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>>18584895
Kinda scummy of Pekora to be a millionaire who only told her mom about it last year while living rent free.

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>>18585094
Mysta JP Duolingo during JP primetime

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>>18585239
Damn that's a lot of money. Thanks merch anon.

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>>18585072
Yeah, the revenue stream for being a Holo is probably some absurd shit. Just makes me respect Daisenpai, Friend and the earlier gens even more, paving the way so that the later Holo's can make bank from the onset. And at the risk of being called the councilschizo, assuming that the same revenue streams are also available for Council, you kinda understand why they're not to stressed with SC. You also now undestand why NijiEN and especially Luxiem go hard on pandering since SC is probably their biggest source of income since they don't have the same revenue streams as Holos

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>>18585531
NijiEN didn't get birthday merch while HoloEN did.
Birthday merch, at least for Holos, is where a huge chunk of money comes from.

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>>18584744
>channel bags or prada's clothes
She did buy fashion stuff but she never said what is the brand. The only time she mentioned the brand was that expensive Burberry coat that she didn't buy anyway.
>>18585239
9411 put her just below Himehina which is really good.
>>18585375
DYRBI anon?

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>>18585531
Don't the NijiEN girls have merchs and membership?

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>>18585531
Sounds like reheated 2020 Nijicope

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>>18585531
Superchats and Youtube revenue seems like it's very important early on, but more and more evidence suggests especially once you are established, merch, sponsors, sololives etc become way more important and the girls direct their efforts accordingly. 1 run of merch is more revenue than Pekora made after cuts on Superchats for her entire career. And it's not like she's a SC midget. Obviously she doesn't get 100% of merch either but it really puts things in perspective. Same with Suisei's album/concert. We hate it when they tank their hours and numbers for idol prep etc but it must make sense for them.

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>>18585648
Acrylic stands, pin badges and voice packs can only make you so much money. I assume Nijisanji takes a big cut from these as well since it requires minimal input from the talent (NijiEN never got the shout option t hat NijiJP has iirc).

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>>18585620
is Oricon anon ded? the one with the weekly updates, didn't see his post this week

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>>18585375
She's an asian Neet, anon. Living with their parents is practically ingrained in their psyche. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but they probably were still very dependent on SC in previous years until the Curry Meshi collab that opened the floodgates for more lucrative opportunities. I might be misremembering but didn't Yagoo say something about being tight on cash during the early days hence why he had to manage Holostars himself to minimize cost?

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>>18585666
The difference is that Nijicope started from "Nijisanji is the biggest vtuber company in the world, hololive take no candle" and then that got slowly whittled down as Hololive surpassed them in sub count, ccv, superchats, until eventually all they could produce is "A-At least we still got merch" because nobody can really verify how much merch each company is moving.

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>>18585620
Oh, I forgot about the sales for this week.
Still Still Stellar sold 179 Physical Albums
相対二等心 by HimeHina sold 745 physical copies and 538 digital copies

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>>18585719
>assume
you shouldn't assume things, anon
I don't see why Anycolor would take a big cut from merch from NijiEN but Cover wouldn't from HoloEN

either talk with sources or stop being a tribalfag

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>>18585867
Hololive merch (bday/anni) is funded by the talents themselves, we know that much at least. I don't see why Nijisanji talents would be funding acrylic stands and pin badges when it's some of the most barebones, basic merch possible (at least in the vtuber industry).

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>>18585797
>Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but they probably were still very dependent on SC in previous years until the Curry Meshi collab
Bruh, Azur Lane? Just because they weren't getting lucrative stuff like curry doesn't there were completely poor. Although FBK was selling her body like a cheap harlot back in 2019.

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>>18585666
Not a cope anon, just stating an observation. Both branches where born into different circumstances and adapted accordingly. Being in Council means that, despite being hampered by perms, you'll never have to lower yourself to always have to constantly pander to coomers. Kronii was pretty much proto-Vox and if she needed the money she probably would have resigned herself into becoming just another ara-ara sound board. Thankfully, I assume that once she saw the merch and other non-SC revenue pouring in, she put a hard stop on the pandering. Luxiem, unfortunately, does not have the same luxury. I doubt most of the boys would pander to Fujos if they had an actual choice, but thirsty asian girls is what pays the bills so they kinda just have to suck it up.

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>>18586038
funded? as in they spend their own money to produce that merch? that doesn't seem accurate

I assume the merch is funded/produced by cover and their contracts but the type of merch and the design is based on the talents recomendations

of course they make more money because they produce more expensive merch (clothing, accessories, etc) instead of cheaper pins and stands but the cut wouldn't be different between Cover and Anycolour just because (it may be but we don't have evidence of something like that)

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>>18585855
Himehina... I know it's a mini-album but that's really bad. Though I think it includes only one day of physical sales.

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>>18586186
Council had debut merch so they had some form of income upfront (that was drawn by Sana). Myth probably told them how much they made from merch to give them an idea of how much money they could be making in the future.
>>18586205
Yes, talents fund their own merch runs (either fully or partially). Many talents have talked about this before. It's why they get really good cuts from Cover.

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>>18586186
I mean, Shu exists. Sure he doesn't get monstrous numbers but he's still pretty high up there when you consider Nijisanji as a whole.

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>>18586125
Oh shit, I forgot about that. But still, do we have some kind of list as to what kind of sponsorships Holo's were getting pre-Curry Meshi. I doubt they're anywhere near the level of FamiMart, Bushiroad, Kadokawa, Squeenix, Capcom, MS or Redbull but I'd like to verify it though.

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>>18586406
They were mostly gacha games, honestly. The earliest one that I could remember is collab with Last Idea a smartphone RPG game by Squeenix where you can get Aqua outfits and stuff, no idea whether there's something older than that.

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>>18585666
the difference is that holo's merch is on top of supers

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>>18586205
Nah they've spoken openly about this. Same thing with a lot of their music: some projects Cover fronts the bill, but the cuts are worse. Some projects the talent puts up the money and takes the financial risk, but they also get the majority of the revenue.

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>>18586838
I imagine Stars get better rates regardless due to how low their sales are compared to Hololive (Yagoo's pet project and to give them some money).
Hololive revenue: $4,737,370.78
Holostars revenue: $126,930.85~
Roughly 2.7% of what Hololive made in the same period.

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>>18587100
Was that Hololive as a whole including EN and ID, or just JP? Because the Homos doesn't have overseas branch.

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>>18587204
Yes. Stars haven't debut a new talent in almost 2 years. Oga pulled in the most at 38k followed by Roberu at 33k so far. I dont have Astel sales but I could see him topping Oga.

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hey anons, I'm just wondering here but how accurate is hololyzer? for the unique member's numbers for example?

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>>18587579
It tracks:
- Number of new members added per stream
- Number of unique members that chatted in the stream
It doesn't aggregate the total number of members a channel has. I don't think there's a 100% accurate way of finding that

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Okay, so since we're already in the dead hours portion of the thread, a question to all the numbers anon. Would Hana not being a menhera been enough to save NijiID from dying? And no, don't kid yourselves by saying that "they're not being graduated" or "this is a godd thing since they'll get more support from Nijisanji proper". No. This is pretty much the corporate equivalent of euthanasia. Personally, despite many anon's saying yes in here and other threads, I think it wouldn't have changed anything. The same way that HoloID only has Moona being competitive in terms of CCV, Hana would have been the same. A standout in an otherwise unremarkable branch.

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>>18587579
Accurate enough that it doesn't require a double check. But feel free to do so if you disagree.

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>>18587736
They are too irrelevant to be discussed about. Like what happened to Nijisanji academia.

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>>18587731
>>18587766
oh no I'm just wondering because I've been digging some stuff up and was wondering how accurate some of the numbers there were, especially the "- Number of unique members that chatted in the stream" one

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>>18587736
No. Hana did try her best to get her fans at the time to watch her branchmates but they were only interested in her (and her father). She only really went menhera when HoloEN pretty much curb-stomped them iirc.

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>>18587736
Hana literally had the potential to be niji's Coco, so yes if she weren't a menhera and actually stepped up instead of passing the buck around nijisanji could be in a vastly different position today.

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>>18587736
It would have helped but the main reason that Nijisanji ID failed is pretty much the same reason that have led to the recline or even failure of every single branch of Anycolor and Nijisanji (JP, EN, ID, KR, VirtuaReal, Yumenographia).

The company is managed from incompotent simpletons and that won't change until the company pretty much collapses (IMO in the next few years).
The fact that, from what I read in the NijiID threads, NijiID had SIX waves of debuts and they were preparing for a SEVENTH one tells you all you need to know.
HoloID a massively more successful ID branch has debuted 2 generations of talent (3+3 in total).
Anycolor are just retarded and soon to be bankrupt.

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>>18587822
I've been here when hololyzer was first introduced. The only defect that was raised, was the SC conversion. It was conversing everything to JP 1:1, but it's been fixed.

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>>18588059
What they do with the EN branch will be interesting. Their MO has always been "the more income streams (talents) the better".

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>>18588059
Yeah holobro, still waiting for that Narukami's forecast to come true. Maybe a few more years.

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>>18588059
Niji is just retarded. They just blitzed ID with chuubas just like they did with JP but the audience just wasn't there. Holo took it slow and released small waves of 3 in ID and the support they get, while not much compared to EN, is much much more than NijiID.

Niji were also doing the same thing with EN and it was sinking the branch. Look at how much wave 3 flopped for example. If they didn't luck out and have Luxiem gain traction with Chinks than EN would be included in this purge as well. They are just fucking retarded.

Its just going to be doubly more humiliating that while Niji is purging their ID branch Holo is going to be having their ID members dancing on stage in 3D during Hololive's biggest event of the year. Not to mention debuting a new gen.

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>>18588143
They'll keep shitting out new gens, don't worry. By 2025 we'll probably have like 10 NijiENs overlapping for 1k each at a time. I'm curious to see if new male streamers will get as much hype as Luxiem or was it just the shiny new thing (EN male corpo vtubers) effect.

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>>18588317
Seems like indogs were rather happy with the management and support vtubers got, they were somewhat angry about the merge.

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>>18587928
Hana being Niji's Coco is a bit too much I think. I'll say that the misfortune that Niji always encounters in terms of expanding (at least prior to Luxiem anyway) is that the wrong person is always the one who gets the fate defining opportunity presented to them. Hana was never as brash or charismatic as Coco and she wouldn't have been able to handle all the (self-imposed) pressures that Coco had. Another one is Rin with the whole Pewdiepie episode. She had the chance to give Nijisanji a foothold in the EN market long before Holo could but squandered it. You put Mito in that situation and we could very well be looking at NijiMyth right about now.

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>>18587736
Unfortunately that's what happens when your strategy is to overwhelm with numbers, sometimes you get underperformers and you can't properly nurture them.
Looking at it from another angle, being flexible enough to reorganize your branches is a strength. If a project fails for "X" reason you can just cut it down, keep the livers and try something else.
Sucks for the girls but that's Nijisanji.

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>>18588317
I think Moona 3D will do well.

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>>18588169
The fact that they are scrapping the ID management branch is indicative of that, nijiID is the only one of their foreign branches that actually managed to make serious headways into the local market. You don't can them unless you're literally that cash strapped that the cost of supporting the ID branch is more than you can handle.

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>europoors don't pay
but in all seriousness, how would you feel if EN3 is more Euro-focused? even if they don't pay as well as NA or JP, I don't think it's a bad idea to get a market going over there and spread out the timezone even more.

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>>18588519
I'd say NijiEN girls made serious headway into the market too. I mean they're basically nr 2 corp on youtube, and nr 3 EN in general. They also network a lot.
Of course, they'll always be wallmart HoloEN (right down to stealing their chibi VR chat idea kek), but that doesn't mean they didn't care a small chunk for themselves.

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>>18588519
NijiID is really that cash strapped to the point that they can only pay artists with exposure.

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>>18587822
Looking at it now actually and how the hell does Lap always get so many new members

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>>18588561
There is no reason to have a more anything-focused gen.
They could have 5 new people joining with, let's say, 2 being in Europe so they could stream in EU hours but that's it.
There is no reason to have a whole gen that focuses on a specific region.
They can get 2 NA, 2 EU, 1 AU or 3 NA, 2 EU but that's it.

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>>18588519
I still don't understand the move though. I mean, if they're not really paying livers any salaries and I assume most of the ID staff are getting paid local rates, Anykara would have to be insanely cash strapped right now to make this kind of move due to financial reasons. What was their last financial report again? Were they already in the red or some shit?

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>>18588500
Anon, are you serious? This is exactly the same thing they did back with the IN branch where they just rebranded it as EN and thought that would magically result in renewed interest in their branch. This isn't being flexible, this is them doing the same thing they did back then and hoping that this time it'll turn out differently

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>>18588561
EN3 shouldn't exist. No one wants to do the same mistakes as Niji. No more vtubers is the best decision.

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>>18588684
2020 is their last financial report and they had very minimal profits iirc. I think the concert being cancelled seriously fucked them.

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>>18588681
What anons seem to ignore is that the talents aren't picked for their timezones. Holos make their own schedule. Say you get a Euro Holo, she sees the numbers, and nopes the fuck out into NA. What then? Even some JPs basically stream in "non JP" hours.

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>>18588500
Anon you need to learn how to parse pr speak. This is them abandoning any pretense of ID and KR being growth markets for them and putting both those branches on life support, and they are only doing it because of the negative PR they'd get if they canned both branches outright.

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>>18588715
If an EN3 does come up, I hope they stream more than EN1 and EN2

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>>18585531
there's a reason why Sora is put on a pedestal even though she herself hates it. if her collab partner taints her image, the girl will catch a lot of flak from everyone.

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I thought people in the thread were always saying that the best way to solve KR's issues would be changing management or absorbing KR altogether? What is wrong now?

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>>18588317
>>18588059
>>18587736
Sounds a lot like holobronies who don't know anything about nijisanji and nijiid but what's new about this thread?

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>>18588773
"No further plans to expand" is always a big red flag, especially when the company is known for flooding the market.
Actually that reminds me, the JP branch only debut 1 wave last year didn't they.

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>>18588874
What do you disagree with, anon?

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>>18588893
just like hololive

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>>18588059
You are the one retarded here to the point you don't even know what youre talking about. Wave 5 debuted 7 months after the last one in 2020 and wave 6 debuted more than 7 months after it.

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>>18588684
Yeah, thats the thing, if they really are doing this for financial reasons then that speaks to them being in abject poverty where even the cost of an ID branch might push them over into bankruptcy. It's honestly worrisome that "we are pulling a nijiIN and rebranding them in the hopes that it'd get them better reach" is the best explanation for why they are doing this.

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What happened to Polka? Was looking at Holostats yesterday and her subs in 30 days was at a small 18k. Yesterday Nene was at 30k in a month, didn't stream today so it's kinda skewed again, but still 28k.

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>>18588808
I don't get it. You already have 2 big streamers in EN, Kiara and Bae, and they're among the least popular.

Then you have Kronii and Gura, who's approach is sparse streaming, and they do very well. In fact every time Gura falls into her 3-5 days black hole breaks, her VODs incline so much she keeps up with top holos in views earned during that time period without even streaming. Perhaps you anons should stop larping that you know more about streaming on youtube than them, all your advise sounds built for twitch "I must be online even if I'm not doing shit" thots.

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>>18588893
Yeah, which I guess JP is dying because they are debuting less members. Btw i bet you didnt know that ID also slowed down since 2020.

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>>18585676
I wonder how they divvy up revenue for the huge events with almost the whole company like HoloFes

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>>18588561
Don't buy the untapped market memes.
They already tried this by hiring two Aussies, and look at those big fat Aussie SC (nothing).
Strengthening the current market is a better approach since the overlap will force the girls to strategize their contents and time-slot better.
EN director and management need to do their jobs and be persuasive with the girls while maintain the working environment at a high morale.
The company has more than enough budget to be hiring a creative team that the girls are too busy to stream due to "hololive projects".

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>>18588964
Youtube is hammering all the holos (or maybe all youtubers) with sub purges. Everyone is down by a lot.

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>>18588754
How are their cash reserves? They had dominion over JP for a full 2 years (2019-2020) before the Hololive boom. They should have some resevers or assets at least from that time, right? I just can't wrap my head around the possibility that 1 (Uno) cancelled concert is enough to cause this much of a domino effect.

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>>18588959
Anycolor isn't going bankrupt, you have to be retarded to believe in that. This is clearly a move for them to not graduate 36 vtubers and still be able to manage them. I dont think they'll open more auditions for them, but they still will be part of the agency.

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>>18588854
If they were only destroying the KR branch nobody would've said anything, it's the fact that they canned the ID branch too that's worrysome, since they were the only branch other than EN that was being close to successful, and also the whole "no further plans to expand" thing which is always a red flag.

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>They had dominion over JP for a full 2 years (2019-2020) before the Hololive boom
your average poster

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>>18589038
They're looking for a new EN director.

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>>18589038
>The company has more than enough budget to be hiring a creative team that the girls are too busy to stream due to "hololive projects".
how much fucking money does Cover have? they are spending it in their hololive alt, game, and 3D shows.

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>>18589074
Of course you can't, and you shouldn't. It's very much retarded to believe in this.

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>>18589116
>"no further plans to expand
I don't think that was said. That part is still unknown.

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>>18588996
It's easy to side with either quality or quantity when one side is lacking.

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>>18589105
... So they are going bankrupt? Why the fuck else would they do that?

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>>18588761
>some JPs basically stream in "non JP" hours.
ah, the lamy timeslot

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>>18588854
Nothing is wrong with absorbing KR into the main branch. Most of their fans and the people in their split are actually happy with the decision. It's the inclusion of ID and the noticeable exclusion of EN that's throwing multiple red flags.

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>>18589029
Have they announced all the stuff that's going to be at the expo? Food/drink? Merch? "Signing" events? Doujins? I suspect merch is split by talent while the overall revenue is evenly split. Anything else is a drama bomb waiting to happen.

>>18589135
Their last financial reports revealed the had millions of cash in hand. Honestly they had too much, it's not usually a good idea to have that much money idle. But they grew so fast they didn't really even have the employees they needed to expand safely, and Yagoo prefers to be very conservative, and has said he wants enough cash reserve to keep the company running for a year or two even if revenue crashes. Honestly given how fickle audiences can be probably a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have the revenue report from Holo and Niji?

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>>18589135
15+ million dollar profit the year they did the nissin collab iirc (2020).
>>18589222
They're not bankrupt or near it but it seems like they decided those markets are not "worth it" anymore and want to focus on EN/JP.

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>>18589259
No new ones, no.

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>>18589209
> it's still unknown
So the auditions are not cancelled? They are still going forward with them?

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>>18589121
>>18588931
>>18588874
Look if you're going to stick around here can you actually be fucking helpful and throw in your insights instead of going "lol holobronies amirite?" I really don't want this discussion to devolve into NIJICOPE spam but youre really not making it easy

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>>18581103
Because those people you talk about hate her

[Anonymous No.]

So changing the subject
do you think the sub cull is still going or do we have cmfirmation from content creators that warning is still on their analytics?
feels weird seeing so many zeros

[Anonymous No.]

Are there seriously no other non-members HoloEN streams today other than the collab earlier?

What is happening?

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>>18589380
Do you really want someone to elaborate why claiming that Nijisanji dominated JP market in 2020 is simply wrong?

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>>18589380
it's just the shinobi dude from reddit, ignore him

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>>18589460
Unless mumei does a guerilla, there's nothing else today.

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>>18589121
They did anon, let's not revise history here. Sure by the time that HoloEN debuted and the Curry Meshi sponsorship opened more lucrative doors, Niji was already starting to lose ground and couldn't even declare themselves the number 1 JP vtuber company anymore (their intern having to remove all those accolades from their website still gives me a chuckle). But don't get it twisted, Niji had full dominion of JP in 2019 and most of 2020.

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>>18588808
Streams more
>Anon here don't watch streams despite demanding girls to stream everyday for long hours. Girl gets low number for the time put in which anon complains here but still do not watch the stream.
Stream less
>Complains about low streaming hours despite not watching streams. Only do it cause "most popular = must stream the most" or Anon's ego gets damage because muh wagecuck mentality. Girl gets high numbers so anon seethe even more.
The only exception to this is for girls that stream a lot and get high numbers or girls that barely stream and get low numbers that reflect the work they put in.

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>>18589290
what about old ones?

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>>18589460
council busy with anniversary stuff and mumei is on exams.
Ame is house hunting
mori is recording things
ina and gura techincially were on a stream today.,

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589312
The current auditions are cancelled, yes. But we don't know if they'll reopen it after the reorganization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589549
>anniversary stuff
wait, its been one year already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589591
They have something planned for their 6 month

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589244
>>18589280
fucking christ, I wonder what their financial report is gonna look like this year. don't they release it around April?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589511
oh you are the retard who think everyone in here who speak against hololive is this random redditor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589460
Bae should be streaming later

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589631
is memebrs only but not sure if she will do a public one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589435
I mean, sub cull is a thing, hitting the market reach can be also a thing, sub cull killing the momentum also a possible guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589527
They dominated 2018 where the only competition they had was dying Kizuna AI and co. 2020 was lost by all indicators.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589656
Nijisanji had 2018-2020 domination. Hololive only surpassed them at the end of 2020.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589624
t.shinobi or joe

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>>18589698
Proof?

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>>18587822
It's pretty accurate. I compare it to my stream scrapes sometimes and usually the unique members number is a bit higher than what I have, but hololyzer gets pre-chat data as well while I rely on archived chat data, so that makes sense.

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>>18589562
How the hell are they gonna even reopen "ID auditions" if there isn't an "ID branch" anymore? In fact, why would Anykara allocate resources and waste a slot to hire an ID liver when they can just hire a JP or EN liver instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589530
The new ID wave auditions got cancelled iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589074
Technically it was two concerts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589713
how new?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589745
I'm not saying they will, anon, I'm only saying that so far we don't know if future auditions will happen or not. Imo they won't open and will only support the existing ones.

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>>18589698
Niji lost at the halfway mark of 2020 when Hololive exploded with EOPs. Don't pretend for even one second they had a full grip on 2020. End of 2020 was the fucking Holo Golden age, Pekora was hitting 50-60k a stream, Gura was getting 30-50k a stream.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when you fags were shitting on Koyo for streaming that card game? She's being sponsored to play the sequel tonight

[Anonymous No.]

>>18588648
I was actually looking at the haachama backlog, after her stream with lui and chloe some anon said that her chat % are weird and lower than usual and while I was watching her raft stream today waiting for aki her chat seemed a bit slower than what I'd expect a 5k ccv to be
looking at it I found out that her member numbers in streams were lower in general with the exciption of her schizo arc but even during those times they were almost on par with someone like watame nowadays and fubuki (just two random examples) but nowadays they don't even break 500 according to hololyzer, those were closer to her numbers in 2020 and a bit after her schizo arc in 2021...I was just bored so I thought I might as well dig around because I had nothing better to do...I'm not membered to her so I don't know what her likes numbers are for example on member posts

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>>18589795
I'll grant you 2019 but 2020 is questionable, I suspect if someone ran the numbers you might be surprised.

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>>18589804
retarded anon, there's a reason I said that at the end of 2020 hololive surpassed nijisanji. For most of 2020 Nijisanji still was doing better than them overall for JP with subs and views alike.

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>>18589528
Gura had one of her absolute worst CCV weeks ever when she streamed every day. It's hilarious when you think about that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589801
Ah so you're coping, right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589460
JP is streaming. It's time to continue your JP lessons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589868
>For most of 2020 Nijisanji
For half at best. That's not most.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589839
depends. are you talking about ccv or subs? because it took until the end of 2020 for hololive to surpass them

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589460
Kiara dragged 2 NA streamers into her retarded timeslot, occupying 4(four) possible individual streams in one day because ENs just want to clock in 1 stream a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589562
I will laugh if they open up auditions and debut a wave that has 4 nips in it and one indog just speaking bahasa and all the nips are like wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589753
I'm asking about financial report but thanks for replying anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589877
Not coping when i literally said i dont believe they will hold more auditions

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589745
I have to wonder how Hana feels about all of this. They should just move her to the EN branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589804
I'll say that they we're neck and neck at the halfway mark prior to HoloEN (this is just me eyeballing it though). Holo had a rough 2020 with Permissions, Aloe graduating, and Miko going on a medical leave for months. The brand wasn't exactly in good standing with the fans at the time. HoloEN debuting, Miko's comeback stream and (ironically) the Taiwan yab got all the fans to band together though and it was basically just a tsunami after that.

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>>18589817
That game has a sequel already? It fucking came out on the 28th of October last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589839
NTA, but Holo started toppling Niji at the later half of 2020. Not my graph either.

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>>18590077
Ah yes, I remember that chart. That definitely doesn't look anything like "Niji dominating 2020"

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>>18590077
It's always interesting to see the old guard just die off in early 2018

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>>18590016
It's her fault anyway. She may not have been Coco but if she actually inclined enough and was at least Bora levels of succesful, I doubt anykara would have "euthanised" her branch.

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>>18590131
Semantic.

>>18590152
They had a good run.

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>>18589804
>Holo had a rough 2020
Only the second half. In the terms of content first half 2020 was Hololive's golden age.

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>>18590077
my favorite vtubers are Katrina and Fumino

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>>18590077
Wait waht's this chart measuring? How is Gura topping so much of 2021? It can't be hours watched or CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18589460
Honorary EN Haachama is streaming. This is Lamy timeslot anyway. You should watch pink Lamy

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>>18590203
whops, wrong quote
>>18590047

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>>18588561
Anon half of Council girls are struggling to pass 100k $ SC mark and you think they will release EN3? Council barely does better than Ethyria and keeps declining while Niji girls are inclining. HoloEN is dead outside Myth. No good indie will want to join them and that recent Shadow thing clearly shows that.

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>>18588715
>the same mistakes as Niji

What mistakes? All NijiEN gens are doing better and better.

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>>18590297
dont use kizuna for your shitposts

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>>18590077
Yeah if May 2020's top 4 being all Holos wasn't enough, the very next month Coco would obliterate the all-time CCV record held by Niji mahjong at the time and pass the seemingly impenetrable 100k barrier and was subsequently joined there by Kanata and Watame in the next two weeks. It's undeniable that Hololive was the top dog for at least the second half of 2020

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>>18590297
Is this some kind of biological test to see exactly what kind of cancer gets the most (you)s?

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>>18590203
That's nice kiddo, but this is the numbers thread, and as far as we are concerned hololive's golden age is from September 2020 to July 2021

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>>18590365
>>18590386
Cute cope

[Anonymous No.]

weird hour to farm yous you farmer

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>>18588715
Are you aware that NijiEN is doing much better? if anything their strategy is paying off for EN because each debut brings new audiences to them. they now get like 1k subs per day.

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>>18590238
Graph anon used VOD / (stream # x stream duration). Those who only stream buff contents will triumph. Streamers like Gura, who doesn't finish her play-through, rank higher here. Shill contents will lower the ranking since they draw a smaller crowd.

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>>18590386
It's the "we are getting shat on, better what about it back to hololive to deflect" tactic, much favoured by nijiniggers

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>>18590238
It adjusts to take hours streamed into account (1 hour streams usually get less VOD views than longer streams)

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>>18590077
>august 2020
>koshien tournament 152k, 140k, 191k
>maimoto 3rd place
wut

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>>18590452
Nijiniggers need to deflect, please understand

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>>18590452
pfft, they will bit my bait, and there's nothing you can do about it

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>>18590380
The break even point looks to be April, so 1/3 through. With the strength in the latter half of the year Hololive would easily take it overall

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>>18590453
they are going bankrupt after Luxium's hype calms down, they spent too much on ads

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>>18590453
The thing is outside males they are not bringing new people into vtubing. They are stealing viewers from Hololive. New EN generation will only steal views from other members and is very unlikely to stop NijiEN incline since they win with content.

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>>18590077
Why the fuck is this chart missing .LIVE who were heavily competitive at the top for almost all of 2019?

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>>18590511
They are going bankrupt now, remember why this whole discussion started in the first place

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>>18590544
right now?

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>>18588715
Wave 4 fucking saved NijiEN anon. Otherwise, they would be absorbed to the main branch. EN3 assuming they are not lazy cunts like Council can be the golden generation like JP Gen3

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>>18590538
the guy who does this graph doesn't know they existed

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>>18590511
Sure sure. Looking at the change in those threads over last few months is fucking hilarious. Half a year ago it was nothing but laughing at NijiEN "flopping" now it's nothing but coping and creeping fear.

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>>18590496
>>18590538
You should check the archive. Graph anon posts here at the beginning of each month. You can ask him to correct older data if you provided him with the sources.

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>>18590605
>Wave 4 fucking saved NijiEN anon

Bullshit they were inclining before males appeared. Especially Ethyria.

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>>18590565
Bailing water with a teacup, expect to see an IPO soon

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>>18590418
That's why I wrote in the terms of content, read nigga here.

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>>18590605
>EN
>can be golden gen

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>>18590678
Isn't December their birthday month? How's January looking?

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>>18589830
likes on recent member posts are between ~900-1.3K

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>>18590708
Shove your content right up your ass, this is the numbers thread. If you don't talk about numbers then you can fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18590728
january is ok
february is LOW

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>>18590728
s-shut up, the point is, they inclined before luxiem ok?

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>>18590750
>this is the numbers thread
Could have fooled me here.

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>>18590605
NijiEN inclined hard on Ethyria's second month. Nina brought in slavs and endurance streaming fans, Millie turned out to be a SC queen and had a bunch of great creative streams and Enna did her karaoke and RE7. Luxiem just gave them even more momentum.

EN3 will do nothing for HoloEN since it's going to be the same kind of content.

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Look man, all im saying is, a Giraffe Holo would be neat you know?

[Anonymous No.]

So when's anykara going public?

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>>18590835
this reminds me, what the fuck happened to namibia bros

[Anonymous No.]

what happened to this? wheres dec/jan update

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>>18590827
Your samefagging is getting kinda pathetic.

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>>18590778
>february is LOW

In what universe?

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>>18590678
>Highest Gen earnings with all buffs
>74k
Meanwhile Vox has that by himself on January.

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>>18590931
Males don't count

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>>18590922
Pipe down faggot, they're discussing the females.

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>>18590889
It's true and you know it. But it's okay watching this thread cope more and more every next month is great.

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>>18590538
Numbers?
The higher tier of Nijisanji were in the 10k for 2019 as a reference.

Then again i never properly understood this chart.

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>>18590890
Chart anon been dead.
CCVID discourages further documentation.

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>>18590931
Males are at the point Myth was right after debuting.

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>>18590922
talking about the girls you goddam retard

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>>18590827
What content? EN barely streams. If they can find a Holox equivalent for EN3, they can mog every existing Gen.

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>>18590922
you made them upset

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>>18591003
don't remember exact numbers but some of them had 4-7k median CCV

[Anonymous No.]

So we're in the lying and data manipulation phase again. See you faggots later.

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>>18590077
Why did Shizurin just utterly collapse?

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>>18590886
YT tanked it several times and now it's just a 3 view channel.

It even lost subs 2 days ago.

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>>18590968
What about them?

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>>18591134
SUSAN
STOP CULLING NAMBIA

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>>18591129
ff14
she streamed literally nothing but ff14 for months on end

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>>18591134
oryx bros... what happened...

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>>18590827
>EN3 will do nothing for HoloEN since it's going to be the same kind of content.
Nigger they would need to fucking stream, first

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>>18591134
holy shit
not like this...

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>>18591042
Even when they stream they struggle to do half as good as few months ago. HoloEN is rotting away it's about time to face reality.

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>>18591145
they are lower than last months
you blind?

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>>18591179
>le doesn't stream meme
This thread is so tiresome and repetitive.

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>>18591134
Oh no no no, namibiabros, not like this...

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>>18591235
You mean lower than Christmas and New Year? Shocking. Also it's a minimal drop.

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>>18591134
Honeymoon period is over

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>>18591235
>comparing 1 week to 1 month

[Anonymous No.]

oh here comes the holoen doomposting raiders

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>>18591179
HoloEN is not 11 Sana. Just because (You) don't watch anyone but Sana doesn't mean HoloEN don't stream.

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>>18591126
>So we're in the lying and data manipulation phase again
Nijiniggers are perpetually stuck in this phase, even when they're earning legitimate wins like Luxiem's huge CCV/Superchats. They can't just brag about that win, they gotta cook some other books too to inflate it.

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So about the auditions, saw this on niji thread

>It's entirely temporary.
https://open.talentio.com/r/1/c/ichikara-inc/pages/55041
>Anycolor is looking for new staff for KR and ID. >They're pretty much in the process of setting up presumably a merged branch for the two that will probably count as a single generic international branch.

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>>18591129
Because she like every niji who got attention from the west decided that the best thing to do is completely sabotage herself

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>>18591235
Looks fine to me.

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>>18591318
don't be too harsh, they literally have nothing to watch

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>>18591361
Then why doesn't it include en?

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>>18591318
It's literally one guy lol. His shitty female branch has inclined by 1k average since it began existing and this is proof they're going to take over any day now. At this rate, it looks like they'll need 9 more years.

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>>18591361
Can you delete your post? It goes against my narrative.

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>>18591361
> a single generic international branch.
> Excluding EN
What do they mean by this?

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>>18591361
That would be good.
Would also allow them to easily just pick up international vtubers from random locations under that umbrella.

Guess that since now they'd directly work with/under Niji Jp, they didn't want to call them NijiInt as a brand.

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>>18591395
Cause EN is making bank.
also. Most likely they already have staff members working from Japan, just like HoloEN do.

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>>18591408
>>18591395
NijiSEA?

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>>18591408
EN is just SEA and CN branch in disguise, pls understand

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>>18591361
>we are going to manage the oversea talents from inside japan guys seriously
hard to belive to be honest.

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>>18591657
Anon... EN is already managed by Japan. It's the only overseas branch to do so.

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>>18591697
and suck at it. That is why i think is just business jargon. They have little incentive to have more gens on those regions.

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Gold / Silver / Bronze
>Pekora 0 / 0 / 4
>Kuzuha 5 / 6 / 1

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>>18591940
Kuzuha is carrying Nijisanji to second place as always.

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>>18591736
How do they suck at it? EN is a huge success for Nijisanji.

Fastest to reach 200k in Nijisanji has most of it being EN

Leos Vincent - 11 Days
Lain Paterson - 11 Days
Vox Akuma - 32 Days
Mysta Rias - 37 Days
Ike Eveland - 49 Days
Luca Kaneshiro - 54 Days
Shu Yamino - 54 Days
Lauren Iroas - 90 Days
Tsukino Mito - 99 Days
Nina Kosaka - 124 Days
Axia Krone - 144 Days
Selen Tatsuki - 155 Days
Elira Pendora - 159 Days
Ars Almal - 184 Days
Finana Ryugu - 187 Days

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>>18591940
does kuzuha take breaks?

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>>18590536
Trying to steal Hololive viewers actually a solid strategy. Your viewers increase while your rival viewers decrease.
The problem is they aren't good enough to do that

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>60k CCV 3d event (so something with theoretical archive legs)
>1 hour
>270k VOD
I can't tell if my perception of VOD views is fucked by the EN cull or what. How could it have so little?

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>>18591940
when will niji won by +20 gold...

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>>18592045
EN = 11 Vox + 3 mysta + 1 Ike

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>>18591408
The same thing they do when change NijiIN into NijiEN?

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>>18592045
becasue you are comparing 3 different markets there and ingoring the rest of the other 3 gens and the support the nijien get regarding merch,outifts and updates to rigs is almost none existent or extrmely slow.
but whatever cya in 2023 when there is still not a new id gen or kr gen.

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>>18592076
ENs are a mistery reagaridng that. Moris valentine video is such a baffling example.

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https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1494454881788129283
>what to do what to do
Please stream today Mumei... we need you

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>>18592076
low subs = low vod views simple as (excluding tourists)

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>>18592228
You make it sound like ID and KR are not a failure close to shutting down.
>KR's bully culture so toxic their top talents are graduating
>ID's Hana managed to menhera her way out of being the most popular ID vtuber.

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>>18592388
That reminds me, with KR management getting shitcanned, does that mean that one KR member that was being a bitch to everyone is gonna get fired?

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>>18592199
Oh no no no

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>>18592443
I'm sure that's been a done deal for a while, but it's in legal land now.

[Anonymous No.]

can ratio schizo kill himself already

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>>18592443
Nobody fucking knows, unless you work at anykara nobody knows shit.

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you knw bros, on a timeslot like this, I wouldn't expect haachama to have more than 2k peak...especially on a game like tetris, while it's a buff game the timing for it is just unfavorable imo
to get 4.5k considering that koyori got 8k is pretty good imo
I'm really starting to believe the people saying she's steadily inclining...and she's actually really fun to watch, where is all the schizo shit people keep complaining about?

[Anonymous No.]

Kiara EN gold?

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>>18592547
Ratiochad is based.

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>>18592776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QFLWfnIu_A

[Anonymous No.]

>>18592045
How are Leos and Lain doing these days anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18592355
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt45oQP-7yU

[Anonymous No.]

>>18592830
So that's a yes

[Anonymous No.]

It's actually fucking crazy how this thread manages to get worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>18592830
the man needs to moan in japanese to have a chance at gold or maybe he'll do duolingo while playing ring fit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18592830
Why is he doing duolingo JP when the majority of his audience are Zhang and SEA? Shouldn't he do CN instead?

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>>18593011
Vox didn't break 15k on his. Neither will Mysta

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>>18593059
he said a majority of his viewers are actually Japanese, they just don't comment that much

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>>18592443
Nobody knows honestly because her situation is on legal places right now. But hopefully it goes well

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>>18592839
give a look here
https://vrabi.ml/channel/UC-6rZgmxZSIbq786j3RD5ow
https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCRm6lqtdxs_Qo6HeL-SRQ-w

[Anonymous No.]

>>18593166
DYRBI

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>>18592839
Leos fluctuates like crazy since he loves debuff games, but his ceiling isn't that high either (6-7k).
Lain is has been a borderline 3view since 1 month of her debut and is still at that level.
Lauren has actually inclined pretty hard since he started joining tournaments and he gets 7-10k pretty often in the past 2 months.

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>>18591134
The cull is fucking real...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18591003
Nothing solid because RIP VNUMA, just vague memories of that time and also this screenshot I found with 4 different .LIVE streams over 10k in one day

[Anonymous No.]

>>18593524
I will never forgive Sio

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>>18593166
They don't superchat either

[Anonymous No.]

>>18593801
do you have the donations of his previous streams?

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>>18589868
>For most of 2020
Hololive already overtook Nijisanji in subs and views by the end of 2019, which is why nijifans got real upset about dodgeball at the start of 2020.

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>>18593524
>4 .Live-ers over 10k
>Gibara 10k
>Shiina + Sana 15k

Still, the numbers pale compared to the age of Hololive we live in, but quite impressive for those groups.

>MiKorone and PekoRushia barely 2.5k streams
late 2019 is the best guess.

[Anonymous No.]

A lot of big companies look successful on the outside but are actually running on losses every year. Speaking of which, yogiri's new company is shutting down due to financial difficulties. Her group has decent numbers so it really makes you think how much they need to break even. There are rumours of asoul struggling to make money despite their numbers. It won't surprised me even vr barely break even.

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>>18594402

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>>18594356
July 21st
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrLhf6JGUHs

[Anonymous No.]

>>18594402
And in the same field, plenty minor companies have been chugging for 2-3 years despite 20-100 viewers on average.

At that level it's much more about the sponsors and events they can get in than actual YT revenue.
Even making 20k$ a year in SC is breadcrumbs compared to costs of running a business and paying 3 or more employees and taxes. Not to mention the 2-10$ initial investment on models and stream equipment.