/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

hwat is kuzuhas secret? how come he is that popular?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
because he's hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851335
his model looks weird

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Fujo cuckqueans, there was a post about one of them who said she got off on being thought of as an ATM

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
because he is king of vtuber.
https://youtu.be/oPAcjv__fbc

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Popularity was part of his grooming reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Fujobait+Apex

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Having smol oni as gf

[Anonymous No.]

both genders' appeal

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olEGoGqZKcA
>Coco getting mogged by Saku who has half the amount of her subs

Hololive is a joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851614
>>1851624
Really?

[Anonymous No.]

Because he fucks >>1851614 on the reg even during her streams and doesn't give a single fuck about her or his anti

[Anonymous No.]

>has 25k live viewers.
>ends with only 97k views after ending 12 minutes later.
He should stick to Apex or he'll embarrass himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851814
no one watches coco for her gameplay streams, people watch her for reddit review streams that usually go from 30-60k viewers depending on who's the guest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852260
>Not knowing that it means he has good viewer retention
Stop embarrassing yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851814
1. Coco had a higher live viewership peak than her.
2. Coco is reading superchats right jow.
3. Coco's strength is her events, not her regular streams. Asacoco, English class, Reddit meme review.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Probably because he actually plays an entertaining game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852315
her just chatting streams get a good viewership, so do her singing streams.
they'd probably do a lot better if she did them consistently.
especially her singing streams are always fucking gorilla.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852315
That doesn't seem like a good thing, having one single gimmick that relies on others. So only 5-10k out of her 1 million subscribers actually care about her?

[Anonymous No.]

today's coco stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
>Only 98k views. Mid tier holo numbers.
Burgers need to stop using adblock to reflect the real Holo numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852399
Naaah. Big youtubers usually upload once a month or week but still produces roughly the same numbers as the holos(total per month)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852367
>genshin
genshin is a horrible game for streaming if youre not doing rolls

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Why'd you wait until superchat reading started before taking that screenshot, Kazuha?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852315
>>1852362
>having to rely on plebbit to get views

lmaoing @ your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851478
literally the gender opposite of Fubuki so ye

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852505
Kuzuha peaked at ~30k anyways so it's not like the increase would've helped her that much. Probably would've made her look worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
lol it's more like making it popular even though its plebbit. The memes are pretty shitty, but coco and her collab partner always make it work somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
Wake up, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
Still more views than your pink bitch. Nice cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851814
To be fair panda is a very good streamer even if she was streaming shit today

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852504
Hmm, I guess that's kind of true, unless you're playing things for the first time and sharing your experience (I love that shit). But just doing the usual gameplay loop probably isn't very interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
Damn, didn't know yakuza was so unpopular. I liked the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
Don't shitpost with my oshi faggot stop falseflagging

[Anonymous No.]

MUH NUMBERS!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
views are decent but her SC total is pathetic for such an old tuber

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
vyt sperg why didn't you post yesterday's numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852782
Its a trap you Nijifag dont reply!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852964
or today's real numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852797
That is all HL has desu. Talents that behave according to script to bait SC/members and let the idolfags and neets believe that they care about them. Dunno about Nijisanji since i never watched them but i can't stand watching any of the Holos anymore after they are just trying to get their numbers into orbit now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853071
>hololive is popular so I don't like them
t. contrarianfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853128
i wouldn't mind their subnumbers if they would behave like they did 1.5 years ago. How many people are watching doesnt matter for me because i dont read chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853071
kek this all retards have against Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853071
>Popular bad. Obscure good
You know, denouncing things because they are popular instead of their merits/flaws doesn't make you special. Only makes you also influenced directly by that popular thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
https://youtu.be/p7yxAVtCNLY
he's legitimately funny as hell

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853440
>>1853172
If you still feel enjoyment of permanent yuribait, trying to get clippable moments, pandering to English audience and forcing memes then kudos to you. Back when it was mostly comfy gameplay streams without overexaggerated reactions,that was what i enjoyed. Thinking that such a change in direction doesnt have downsides and is just "contrarian" is just beyond me. You just come across as people that cant take any criticism of HL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853695
It is still mostly just comfy gameplay tho. You are just one of those "good old days" faggots. Good thing you don't watch HL anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853764
not him but if you really don't think the streams are vastly different than what they were in 2018 and even 2019 you're out of your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853695
Watching Botan play RE now and it couldn't be more comfy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853764
Yea man, matsuri's content after Luna hasn't changed at all and she barely does collabs with her right? Haato just making a fool of herself with the whole Haachama series and shitposts instead of the comfy Minecraft streams are all the same to you i guess. Honestly if people like you are the ones watching HL, no wonder they get that many views. Just pander to retards that love to circlejerk with memes no matter how devoid of content they are. Would make sense why Gura is the most subbed after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853695
kys clipfag, you never watched their streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853886
So you'd rather the talents do the same thing everytime? Are you sure you're not the retarded one? Their contents change but their stream are still comfy. Matsuri and luna just had a collab too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853695
>Back when it was mostly comfy gameplay streams without overexaggerated reactions
name some of your favorite archive streams or you're a falseflagger

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853967
Ye man i surely dont like getting the same good product everytime instead of a newer shittier one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853993
Most of the early EN only Haato MC streams, Fubukis Skyblock series and Korone playing Monster farm would be coming to my mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
No secret, just grinding and streaming. Kuzuha had 500 peak viewers during his early days in niji, probably less when he was still an indie. He streams apex the most but most of his clips aren't even about his gameplay but just talking with chat

[Anonymous No.]

I'm really sad to see every Kuzuha thread be about numbers or the yab. He's cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857234
But what's the thing that lures people in and makes them stay? Surely apex isnt the reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853993
What's different than from seeing moona work autistically for 5 hours. Or any of korone's current marathon retro streams?
The only problem you seem to have is collab shit for some odd reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857281
Well, his views make holotards seething because it ruined their narrative about how dead niji is and pandering to EOP is the correct choice, it makes them feel like they are important, and the japanese cares about them while in reality, everyone is watching niji in japan and gives a fuck about the outside world

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857482
Just the regular old chat engagement, humor, and sincerity. Gameplay? idk, you decide if he is good or not but I think he's pretty decent at apex considering he came from league of legends (challenger-ranked)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857636
Hello ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857281
Good luck with that, you're stuck with him forever until Kuzuha is not the biggest in Nijisanji. It's a shame because I like Belmond but the threads won't ever improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
From the few clips I've seen of him he just seems like a genuinely funny and relatively cool guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857800
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851478
Like a sugar mommy or that thing were you get off on having your money taken?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857636
vyt sperg you don't care about Kuzuha or niji, keep it up and Patra's chat is gonna get wheelbarrowed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1864478
>Patra
not him but LEAVE MY OSHI OUT OF THIS

[Anonymous No.]

>>1857281
It doesn’t really bother me since I know none of these people watch him anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>1858083
Im sure its called findom.

[Anonymous No.]

He's the Ringo Starr of vtubers. Naturally funny and charismatic. People always expect something funny to happen around him and just spontaneously start laughing just being in the same stream or in his company.

[Anonymous No.]

To day numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871497

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871536
Wonder if Shibuya HAL's on pair with mainstream twitchfags like Shiv or TzTimmy
Saw one of his stream last night and dude was a freaking beast with Horizon

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871703
shiv's live viewers are around 10K and shibuhal usually hovers around 10-15K when he plays ranked

[Anonymous No.]

what's he doing well that we can get male envtubers in the west to recreate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871703
Respawn/EA acknowledge him as one of Apex's biggest faces.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871855
Being fun to watch. It's really not that complicated

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871497
>>1871536
so niji goes neck and neck with holo despite has no EOP fanbase
wow i'm impressed

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871982
how does one do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871855
None of them can ever reach the level of success he has for obvious reasons, but not basing their entire personalities on stale twitch/twitter memes would set them on the right direction at least

[Anonymous No.]

Numbers love...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1872215
Actually Kanae and Kuzuha have a lot of EOP fans, though at least they don't contaminate the the chat too much. But it's nice to see the boys are getting love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1872237
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFBR5qnTXOg

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852877
The SC "culture" is a bit different at Niji. They don't actively chase them and some of them don't even allow memberships. They mostly rely on merch and voice packs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1872215
They have a lot but most of them are sensible enough to not spam english since their oshi doesnt understand it

[Anonymous No.]

>>1872215
is mostly kuzha,kanae and hal.
Niji females have reclined for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1872215
They do, which is insane and shows how much power they have in JP to have this big number when their overseas fanbase isn't nearly as big as hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1876194
Hal isn't part of Nijisanji retard.

And Nui, Mito, Lize, Lulu, Arls and Sasaki are some that makes big numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1876546
>when their overseas fanbase isn't nearly as big as hololive.
It's literally non existence lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>1876602
Alicebros, when is she going to get her time to shine again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1876194
>Niji females have reclined
lol no, they're literally has the same views like last year

[Anonymous No.]

>>1876701
What do you call the fanbase of React, Animare, Honeystrap and other agencies?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
How the fuck does she stream a DS game? Doesn't nips hate people modding shit? How does she get away with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1871497
Man, what the fuck happened to Korone.... Guess EOPs pumped & dumped her and stayed with the shark and her friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>1876815
everyone outside of hololive is literally non existence

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877149
There's more than 3k clips translated available rom Nijisanji, the Nijisanji reddit has 20k people, the EN account has 30k. There's a clear difference between Nijisanji in the west and the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852315
Why does she have singing streams. She can't sing. At all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877236
https://youtu.be/N8bNfeNC6bk?t=255

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877060
She kinda just dropped the 'English' moments from her streams altogether, hasn't done a pandering stream since last year either.

[Anonymous No.]

Kuzuha is just a funny entertaining dude, that's literally all there is to it. You should see how well he handles it when Chihiro starts becoming a cry baby again, picking up both her mood and the stream's mood with just a few words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877236
because SOUL

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877485
Now that you mentioned it yeah, its been a long long while since she had done the japanese study time thing and hey guys. Meanwhile holos that used to be an eop filter like Marine is pandering hard to the reddit audience recently. Is the dog dumb or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851814
>this video contains content from KADOKAWA CORPORATION, who has blocked it on copyright grounds.
What was stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852751
Its not super unpopular, but she started by playing middle of the series after they got permissions again, so not alot of people will follow it. Also Miko and Pekora were doing their own Yakuza streams, starting from 0. Don't blame her, since she played the others early on, but it matters for those new to the series, like me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878111
Twin Angel Pachinko, apparently she's got hooked after the sponsored stream with Ibrahim.
It was bot automated ban, that the official Twin Angel twitter actually apologizing about it.
https://twitter.com/TA_Official/status/1374882484739969025

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853547
Fanbase takes after their oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878544
Gura doesnt seem like a numberfag immature crybaby to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877551
she is busy with her own games, as yesterday took a break for having too much things and didnt feel liek streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878544
>>1878634
the important thing is that both mog 99% of nijisanji so doubt any of them would be mad or have their own fans compare between them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877511
Its too bad so fierce for males. Pekora is also very entertaining, and it pushed her to number 4 on views among all female streamers, even with the apocalypse. But Kuzuha is still a smallfry when you have people like corpse husband. World is unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878634
the exception that proves the rule.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1877511
Its too bad the competition is so fierce for males globally. Pekora is also very entertaining, and it pushed her to number 4 on views among all female streamers, even with the apocalypse. But Kuzuha is still a smallfry when you have people like corpse husband. World is unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

Of Anemachi can do this voice then Suisei can right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878866
Lol wrong thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878782
I mean yeah, there's tons of dudes that make Kuzuha look like an ant (there's multiple people with hundreds of thousands of twitch subscribers and stuff), but it's still impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
1. personality
2. was around before the boom

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
I don't get it either. It seems like it's just the hardcore Fujos since watching male vtubers is cringe as shit and anybody with half a brain would avoid them. Watching male vtubers is the equivalent to watching female twitch streamers. Not even once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852441
Is there hard evidence to this? I've done some test streams with adblock on and it still counts the view. I've noticed it stops counting it if you tab out though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879079
If there is I have never seen it posted, think it is just an explanation that sounds somewhat plausible and fits what people want to hear so it has been ran with until it now gets repeated as if it were fact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1878990
>watching female twitch streamers. Not even once.
HoloEN is a thing and people eat that shit up, tf you going at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
Because he's basically just an Apex streamer that happens to use a vtuber avatar. That's kinda it. He'd probably be as small as the other male vtubers but Apex is super popular in Japan. Kind of a similar story to how a lot of twitch streamers gained an initial audience: becoming a face in a community.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879375
What do you mean by small though? Other male vtubers have done things like collab with the Japanese National baseball league, host events seen live by nearly 200k people, released albums that topped the Japanese charts, participated in sold out national live tours, been a part of collaborations with popular games, been on television, made $100k in an hour long stream, have their character on products in stores nationwide etc. Would you really classify that as "small"? Because most of that is stuff most of the Hololive girls have not even accomplished, some of it none of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879079
The biggest evidence i've seen of some fuckery is average live views between Miko's minecraft streams on Youtube. and the few she has done on twitch.

Consider the half hour 'stream' right before she went to twitch for minecraft while youtube was fucked. She had 10k tops. She then moves to her twitch channel to stream minecraft, and pretty quickly gets to 14-15k, which she holds for most of the stream. Keep in mind this is essentially guerilla, she decided it on the spot.
Am I supposed to believe those additional 5k are EOP's who saw an anime girl minecraft channel on twitch and came in to check it and stayed for the whole thing? I didn't see THAT much English in chat that would make sense for a 50% increase in EOP chat viewers. Then the 2nd time she streamed it, she hit 17.5k viewers. This stream had precedent going for it, but she had first hoped to stream it on youtube. this is 2 separate streams on twitch where she gathered viewers alot faster, and topped out generally higher on twitch than youtube.I think we can assume these are her base viewers, people who keep on top of what she does and will follow her cross platforms. Meanwhile the average viewer base viewers for Miko on Twitch is about 12k or so. That means 20-25 percent of the viewers on her base alone aren't being counted. Now I want to see other Holo's stream on twitch just to see if they follow the same pattern, and then you have to expand that to casual viewers, who are probably even more likely to be filtered out by youtube's shit counting algorithm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879503
Yeah, and female twitch streamers get tons of brand deals and simps that throw money at them too. Female twitch streamers and Male vtubers are two sides of the same cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879503
You can felate how popular Nijisanji is to the public eye in Japan without ever bringing Hololive. No need to get tribalistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879575
The point wasn't supposed to be to be tribalistic just to give a comparison point using vtubers most people would agree are big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879503
I'm talking raw subscriber and view counts here, anon. Male vtubers don't have numbers as high as females in that department, just look at userlocal. No need to sperg out about irrelevant Hololive vs Nijisanji nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879599
Lots of them do have just as high figures as females though. The only way you can really think they are small relative to females is if you are comparing only to Hololive girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879599
Yeah, no Hololive vs. Nijisanji. The Holostars suck just as bad as Nijimales. All male vtubers are cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879527
That's just waiting room fuckery no? We know that's still fucked, but I'm specifically talking about adblock.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a watch tool like holotools but for nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879994
Click the second "Watch" button

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879079
Kind of related, but does it count views if I'm watching vtubers through mpv?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879527
>>1879527
>>1879527
is really hard to numberfag tis right, there was a thread where they were making some comparisions after the ecemebr change. Even mito is affecetd by such, and holo jp also.
There is also some noticebale difference in the amoutn of view at the end and live views between holos and nijis
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/u6LNH2OytcY
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/TguIFRs1aBo

i have started to track the increments in views for both the top holos and nijis for less than 4hrs streams. Just to see whats the difference in increments are.
Wil take me some weeks just to have a good emasure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879079
i wonder if you have premium youtube it might be different too, because surely if the app on your phone allows you to continue listening to something with it in the background and your phone locked you should still count as a viewer as long as its playing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879079
Its a cope rrat by enfags.

[Anonymous No.]

niji numberfags vs holo numberfags thread? well, don't mind if I do

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879527
My sinking feeling is the YT fuckery was designed to manipulate views for western streams but only the chuuba audience have been autistic enough to notice the discrepancy because it fucks with their oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879079
>>1880195
there's clear evidence of the fall, but we can't tell for sure what's the exact reason, i've seen multiple theories about it be thrown around. Adblockers is just one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>400k
Vtubers btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>1881335
is that a steelseries shill stream chihiro is doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1881245
i still belive in the theory that foreigners are being coutned as low quality views and many dropping of it. Since that is something that happens with vods already even in .

[Anonymous No.]

>>1881380
But then why would Marin fall by 35%? Or why would Lamy fall by 20% more than Polka? Even Kuzuha took a fall that's actually larger since he was gaining on Apex, but back in Dec. he wasn't as popular in the West.

>>1879079
No, there isn't. I've also had my view/live view counted even with adblock on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1881813
marine is really popular with eops.
Lamy streams mostly on Burgers afternoons too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1881380
>>1881813
I think you two are saying the same thing.
Different streamers have different falls because of different relations of foreign viewers. Don't think of this just as westerners watching jp; sea are also foreign to jp channels; and spics or eus are still foreign in relation to gura, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1858083
It was after the reveal that the blue oni was likely living with Kuzuha. Actual cuckqueans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882465
>>1858083
>>1851478

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882043
I'm talking about Marin from Nijisanji in >>1881245. It's a huge stretch to say she has a near 40% international audience. Also for Lamy,
the drop was 12pm jst, so 11pm/8pm edt/pdt. It's possible she had a larger than usual foreign audience, but 60%?

>>1882136
Gura's channel is hosted in JP. Saying it's foreign viewers would mean saying that 59% of her viewers were from Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882520
no, it means since their a low quality viewers then the system is not caring about verifying or making sure they are counted. is not a 100% not counted but rather they are flipfloping in cathcing the RTX signals. Thats what it is about. Hence why coco can stream with 5k viewers for 30 minutes and end up with 35k views at the end or gura stream 1hrs wiht 12k and still be near 200k final views .
Also foreigners are more than just eops, taiwanese for example watch a lot of vtubers.
The graphs at the end are the best example of it.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think all the reduction in holo live viewer numbers is attributable towards some change to youtube though whatever that might be. It seems like the live viewer numbers have continued to decline after the point that was introduced. January and early feb seemed to have higher numbers on average than the norm now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882520
If you think that's a stretch, what would you think would be normal the normal % then? And based on what?
On gura, I'd assume youtube is smart enough to consider what location she is streaming from, rather than where the account was created.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882934
i mean the>>1881245
last graphs shows what it is about, is not a drop on average viewers those are still almost the same. Is a drop on the max live views only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1881245
>Gura
>41%
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882934
The hype about vtuber is declining in the west, that's it, there's a time when Mito had 40k views at the time she debuted and she stables at 13-15k views since then

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882501
I really need some women like that in my life

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883144
I'm just saying if all of this was due to some change that happened back in December then you would expect it to take effect then in one obvious step rather than continuing to decline after which seems to be happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883374
>I don't see the one obvious step
are you blind anon?>>1881245

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883374
but thats not the case as you see in the graph it is not a constant decline is a chnage of the max and lwoest points but those have stayed stable all across tis year. I said before vod views remains the same is just max live views affected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883431
Look at Gura for example January every stream of hers breaks 20k max live viewers besides two at the end of the month , February 6 of her streams don't break 20k max, March 8 of her streams don't break 20k max. The live viewers continues to decrease after the change to youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883480
>live viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883518
that is what this conversation is about
>>1882934
the point i am making is if the reduction in the maximum live viewers is all due to some change in youtube back in december why does it continue to decrease even now

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883480
my man she had 38k last week
her latest bpm has 190k at 1hr time frame the metroid one had around 140k in the saem time frame. live viewers is one ting but we are alking about the discrepancy between it and the vod views. hence the graph whcihi is a formula that take into acount vod length, max live viewers, and vod views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883541
>I know live viewers count is fucked up but lets continue using that as our metric
get your lazy ass up and go calculate total views/time if you really mean to make a comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883620
so you can't explain why the maximum live viewers continues to decrease even now if it was caused by a change in december?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883643
explain what, I don't see no numbers. Go actually gather them, do something productive with your life for once. All you need is total views and duration times from youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883699
I gave you the numbers already. In Janaury all of her streams besides 2 were breaking 20k viewers. In February 6 of them didn't. Then in March so far 8 of them haven't. Why are you trying so hard to avoid addressing this question?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883755
1. I see words, not actual sources and pictures.
2. you're still talking about live viewers, which shows me you have at least some degree of retardation

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883755
see>>1883598
also march is mostly long series and slmost all of them broke 400k. Her latest 10 vods for example are the best if not the most viewed in all of vtubers. But at this point i think you are ignoring the question with is what would be the reason why live views changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883620
we already have them, for last month at least. Notice how Gura, despite being completely dead as anon says, is #1 in the majority of the time categories.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883810
Maximum live viewer monthly averages for Gura since January:
Jan 27,676 (i took out one 11k stream here because it looks like it was aborted and deleted lasting only 6 minutes)
Feb 24,019
Mar 20,135
So the question is, if this max live viewer reduction was the result of a change to youtube back in December why does it continue to decline now instead of happening all at once back in December?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884017
>actual sources and pictures
do you even know what that means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883858
I wonder why they're ignoring this lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884102
The source is the maximum live viewer numbers quoted on Hiyoko. What kind of picture do you want its easy enough to navigate there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882955
You can use any metric from google trends web search/youtube search, number of english comments on the video, number of english comments on the live stream, activity on 4chan/reddit. You don't need a normal % to know whether or not Nijisanji has the same % of English viewers as Hololive, and nothing indicates as much.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%E6%9C%88%20%E3%83%8E%20%E7%BE%8E%E5%85%8E,Tsukino%20Mito
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?gprop=youtube&q=%E6%9C%88%20%E3%83%8E%20%E7%BE%8E%E5%85%8E,Tsukino%20Mito

What do you think could cause the discrepancy between Mito having 1:25 of her searches be from outside Japan, yet her viewers are 33% English?

>>1882839
Suppose they aren't getting rid of everyone just "randomly" not verifying or counting viewers specifically from foreign countries, what percentage of views do you think are not being counted? Marin had a 35% drop, if you think around 50% of foreigners are "randomly" not being counted, you would be implying her viewership was originally 70% outside Japan. What about 10% randomly not being counted? That means Lamy would have had a 66% foreign viewership. Not to mention how irrelevant your made-up point would be if only 10% were from "dropped RTX signals", there's no other data to support Lamy having that large a foreign viewer base.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884333
You can be a foreigner and still know japanese, anon. Especially when the streamer only speaks in japanese lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884131
It's kind of irrelevant to the question I am asking. I am asking why are the live viewers still decreasing now if its caused by something that happened in December. And the response is "her archive views are X". That is great but it doesn't do anything to answer the question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884414
>it's irrelevant
jesus christ this anon has no shame

[Anonymous No.]

>>1872215
Yeah they are popular only in Japan so only some people from /jp/ cares about them

[Anonymous No.]

Nijisanji is the Hololive of Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>1883858
I knew it was going to happen anyways but it's still beyond annoying how people are now taking OPs graph out of context, along with what was discussed in the thread.

He didn't include skits, music, mengen, and private, but there are still huge outliers on the <1h category and sometimes the 1h<2h categories. Both the total average is affected by this, and you should instead be using your brain to see which category they regularly stream in.

Gura's main videos are >2h, and her <2h range is 90% collabs, annoncements, and promos. Similarly to how Coco's <1h is obviously an outlier, or Marine's 1h<2h, Kuzuha's 1h<2h, Mito's <1h, or Lize's <1h. She also has a much larger tail end of views after her stream ends, and isn't actually far behind anyone in live viewers. She averages 17k live viewers, only beaten regularly by Kuzuha and Pekora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884403
Google shows you which region the search comes from. It doesn't matter if the foreigner is searching in Japanese or English. You can scroll down to see that searches in Japanese are still dominated by Japan, and searches in English mainly come from SEA, and a little from America.

Also the point of number of English comments is proportion. It doesn't matter if someone's foreign viewers are typing in Japanese, you still expect to see a trend of more comments in a different language go up along with the number of foreign people typing in Japanese, and along with the number of foreign viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1882955
Also, foreign viewers still makes no sense unless you give a conspiracy tier answer like "RTX signals" as to why only a portion of viewers gets cut. I can go to a Japanese streamer streaming from Japan, use adblock, and still have my view count. If you want to go down that "theory", you need to have an answer for why some foreign viewers are counted, and why some aren't. I also already put my response to that line in the same comment as >>1884333.

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that if you base the number or relation of viewers on google trends, then you also believe that Kizuna Ai has more jp viewers than Mito...
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%E6%9C%88%20%E3%83%8E%20%E7%BE%8E%E5%85%8E,%E3%82%AD%E3%82%BA%E3%83%8A%E3%82%A2%E3%82%A4

[Anonymous No.]

>>1885156
No one is basing number of viewers on google trends. I'm asking a super simple question, what do you think is accounting for the discrepancy between Mito having a 1:25 ratio of Foreign to Domestic searches and having a 33% foreign viewerbase?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1885276
Nijisanji appears on the japanese main media, as does Kizuna. A lot of curious people just searching about them doesn't mean they are a part of their viewerbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853531
Oh, he's just a pewdiepie or disrespect. Makes sense then, there always needs to be one or two for each region of the world.
Not my cup of tea, but whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851814
>look at this single instance of something
>the entirety of the Hololive brand is a joke
Please kill yourself now

[Anonymous No.]

>>1884131
>>1883858
Because it's a bad method where people who only watches five minutes then fucks off and then comes back mutliple times still count as multiple views, at least with live view, you can know how many unique people watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>1885867
Lol it has already been shown here that live viewers cut out a big portion of the real number, so that metric is far worse. And you assume that people who only watch a few minutes is anything significant, plus that it doesn't happen to every streamer either way

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886116
Of course people watching just a few minutes only happens with gura, or how else would my rrats make any sense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1885326
Then we can take anyone else too.

https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%E6%A4%8E%E5%90%8D%20%E5%94%AF%E8%8F%AF,Shiina%20Yuika
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?gprop=youtube&q=%E5%8A%A0%E8%B3%80%E7%BE%8E%20%E3%83%8F%E3%83%A4%E3%83%88,Kagami%20Hayato

Or even better yet, if it's based on location of the stream rather than location of the channel, most of these channels, ignoring the news ones under travel, should have been destroyed in live views yet they haven't. They're streaming from a completely different location than that of their main audience. Not to mention the number of companies in Japan making separate livestreams for an international audience like Nintendo.

https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-watched-travel-channels-in-worldwide-yearly

Or we can take any sizable enough English channel, which should have some portion of foreign viewers, yet most individuals don't show any discernable drop.

https://playboard.co/en/youtube-ranking/most-watched-gaming-channels-in-worldwide-yearly
https://playboard.co/en/channel/UCWxlUwW9BgGISaakjGM37aw/videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886162
it seems right, EOPs have shorter attention span than goldfish anyway

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: anon-A explains why using a certain metric makes no sense; anon-B keeps using it anyways

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886197
It's holocope anon, holo's numberfags used holo's live views to shiton niji and other vtuber agencies for months when holo was on top but recently, they have been losing inlive view so holo's numberfags need to find an excuse and other boogeyman for their failure

[Anonymous No.]

>>1885156
I kneel!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886491
Not sure if you're referring to me using youtube search on google trends or the people arguing about live views vs views/time, but the anon specifically made the point that Mito appears on media so her searches aren't indicative of anything, so I picked out 2 that aren't nearly as mainstream.

You don't even need those 2 either, you can take pretty much anyone. It also doesn't respond to the latter half of the post anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886560
Nijicope

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886560
I don't know what your tribalshit argument with the other guy is, but you're both dumb anyways.

Vod/time is an objectively better metric for correlating with unique views than max. live. Youtube getting rid of "spam" viewers, or a viewer bug, whichever you want to call it, also affects a majority of Nijisanji members. Why would they cope by saying Hololive is only down because of Youtube's new policy, when Nijisanji has been affected by the same %?

[Anonymous No.]

tmw holofags and nijifags accidentally prove that Kizuna Ai still is the queen of all vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886674
Not him but doesn't the reasoning seem kind of obvious? A few months back using live viewers to dick measure was all well and good but then the Hololive numbers declined and suddenly you get a bunch of Hololive's fans trying to undermine the validity of a measure that has always been standard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886779
show us those quotes, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886779
Their motive for undermining the validity of a metric might be obvious, but that doesn't mean the underlying reason the metric is valid has changed. All 3 can be true.

1. Hololive viewers shifted to different metrics other than max. live to numberfag.
2. Youtube implemented a new policy that changed # of live viewers for many vtubers.
3. Vod/Time has been a better metric for unique viewers prior to the bug, and after the bug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886843
And obviously when I say bug, I don't actually mean I think it's a bug, just that it's the shortest way to refer to the change and I don't want to put it in quotes every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886674
>also affects a majority of Nijisanji members
No, it doesn't, they have the exactly same average live views, just check on hiyoko, also don't count in the collab streams, event stream, 3D streams , milestone streams and Apex tournament streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886560
Anon, both niji and holos declined on numbers.
Niji only has Kuzuha and Holo has Aqua right now as their top livers
Then is downhill from there.
Kuzuha and Aqua current numbers with MH are a far cry from their hey days...that or jop are really autistic with Apex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887141
Kuzuha seems about normal. Most of his Apex streams that weren't anything special would be mid 20k range.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887141
Kuzuha is about the same as always, and Kanae gains more views lately, if you compare their numbers now with their numbers six months ago, they are actually getting more views

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887259
he's talking about holo or niji as a whole; but of course there are outliers from their combined 200 streamers - for example, as he mentioned, exactly Kuzuha and Aqua

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887028
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/da5e1a84ac404863870b8926feee72be/2020-12
1356 on Solo Mario kart, to 1314 on a collab, and 827, 719 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/866427b37e934279bcd22fb5a8ff0e6a/2020-12
1812 on Yakuza 7, 813 after. 1115 on her 検証, 972 afterwards.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/f1fb3ae3f51a47c9ac8d3fd2e484a09e/2020-12
1244 on DDLC, 939 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/4696e4ae0b1b465e90d9360176fd6aff/2020-12
2049 on Zatsu, 1050 afterwards.

You're mistaking growth afterwads as not being affected by the change. But don't worry, there's still a lot more examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887395
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/5ab02b2334f245b9b0bd69252c44da01/2020-12
2434 on Painscreek Killings, 1125 after. Or if you want one with comparable views, then the 1155 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/46f34f84481a4a278e0f20fd8eb1e24b/2020-12
2822 on Solo Apex, 1796 after. 4727 on Collab Apex, 2041 after with the exact same members.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/a28339225b954f91a98374e037369cbe/2020-12
2025 on Life is Strange, 1382 afterwards.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/b110cec550504327b09ff39fbeb8c06a/2020-12
1081 on Guitar, to 854 after. With comparable views, it's from 1529 to 854.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/bc192ecd8fa34d17b7ba1ea4dd8abdeb/2020-12
Similar views/peak on Apex, but average dropped from 1.5k to <1k.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/50e3bab795d94a0398c2025b615f956a/2020-12
6236 on MC, 3955 afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887920
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/89ba3c23b0c74dc99da2c63c540e9072/2020-12
8768 on Zatsu, 6481 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/b589c225da6c4a0f9fdfc6cf37e7d73b/2020-12
1269 on Radio, 754 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/f4df0ba09419404397197f68c96c8368/2020-12
2763 on Zatsu, 1855, 2295 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/eece5b72a0d64b97b54045a0c18e363c/2020-12
2386 on MC, 1548 after.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/streamer/monthly-history/c141b9a1be61405db13cab018eea56f9/2020-12
3410 on Zatsu, 2174 after.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1887395
>>1887920
>>1888294
No go on previous months and lately months.
>You're mistaking growth afterwads as not being affected by the change. But don't worry, there's still a lot more examples.
unlike new vtubers, they rarely spur growth in view like that, also the inconsistent stream schedule is also a major factor for consistent views

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
He has a cute, blue oni wife who groomed him to be a success story, that's what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1888873
>inconsistent stream schedule is also a major factor for consistent views
That's why the few I pointed out are some that either have a consistent enough schedule, or have a regular stream that they do. Besides not spurring growth is irrelevant to the drops that I pointed out. They're all within a week if not 2, content is similar, and I pointed out any where the views differ significantly. I pointed out the collabs, and none are any significant event.

Why don't you try pointing out some examples of who you think "has the exact same average live viewers"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1886843
I don't think unique viewers is what people were ever actually interested in though. Think about streaming like a performance. People care about how many people are there for it. Not how many people see the recording it. That's why all these sites like twitch or vnuma or that other one all rank streams by the current number of viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879994
Nijimado

[Anonymous No.]

>>1889928
too bad that live viewers don't actually show their performance either, since its hiding a bunch

[Anonymous No.]

>>1890380
no such thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>1890392
hey susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>1890451
cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>1889928
I can't exactly make the call for what other people are interested in, but I can agree that max. live is the far more focused upon number for large events. Especially for things like concerts, sports games, even things like the state union, the number of people appearing at the event is focused upon a lot more.

Beyond a few very popular streamers, vods are very inconsequential on Twitch compared to YouTube. You have to highlight vods greater than 2 months old and there's next to no way to search through unless you use a 3rd party. Not only that, but when someone is looking for something to watch on Twitch, people are looking for someone who's live and, partly because of the search, you rarely get someone looking through vods unless they already know the specific streamer. Which is also why they sort by live viewers. Twitch also incentivizes monetizing through donations, live ads, and subs. It's only when you start building a brand that you might even consider monetizing through a t-shirt, mugs, or other stuff, and most streamers still don't bother with that.

Youtube isn't foremost a live streaming site. Vod views make up a huge amount of views on videos of live streamers, not to mention the main function of the site being video hosting. I believe in the context of the thread discussed, it was about whether YouTube would promote your video through the algorithm or not, to which unique viewers, alongside views/unique viewer, is quite important and max. live is less important. The other thing is that Cover and Ichikara are brands now, not just a collection of live streamers. They make a majority of their money selling goods, tickets, sponsors etc. over superchat or ads. Max. live is much less important to measuring how many people are wiling to buy a person's goods, over how much reach, or how large of an audience they have, vod viewers being included in that audience.

Now, when it's time for a concert like Bloom, Fes2, NijiFes, max. live has a much stronger argument for being the more important stat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891137
Even youtube itself ranks streams by live views. Click into the gaming section, the games are ranked by number of people watching them, then you click a game and within that the streams are then ranked by number of viewers too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891638
Wait a second, I just found an interesting feature on youtube. It offers the option to rank streams by live viewers in your region regardless of their actual viewer numbers currently.

So for example, if I got into Monster Hunter Rise section with my location set to Japan it will show me Kuzuha as the top stream. Then if I change my location to United States Luna and Pochi are both ranked above Kuzuha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891638
Yes, because when someone is just looking for a live stream to watch, chances are they just want to watch whatever other people are watching at the moment. No need to specify gaming either, the News, Sports, etc. everything that's specifically tailored towards live will probably sort by live views. This is not the same case for people looking to watch videos, and is reflected in how they sort videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891768
Wow I'm just figuring this out now too, I've just never used this section on Youtube to watch anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891768
This has to be by flat numbers and not percentages right? Since % would make no sense by these numbers. Time to set some floors based on in-between streams I guess, not very helpful unless someone compiles over weeks though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891768

[Anonymous No.]

>>1892144
If it's correctly tallied according to what it says, then Kuzuha has at max 194 viewers from the U.S. Doesn't really say anything about Luna for certain, but since the 2nd one is pretty much all EN, it's likely she has >194 U.S. viewers, which doesn't really say much at all.

Sort by outside region, and the higher streams set a ceiling on lower streams. Sort in same region, and the lower streams set a floor for the higher streams. Hopefully people can use this more the next time another number thread about
foreign vs domestic viewers pops up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1892144
Someone else just came on, and it seems like Luna doesn't have as much as a U.S viewerbase either actually? Also they have to be streaming in the gaming section, unlike Kanae who apparently doesn't give a damn, and I don't think there's any option for this outside of this section. I'll try filtering by a few more regions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852547
Cope harder nijinigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>1853695
Clipfag being a clipfag. Kys nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>1890970
seeth and dilate

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891768
This is pretty bad news for Nijisanji. I wouldn't be too confident in the success of NijiEN If their absolute top streamer can't get more western viewers than the likes of Luna and especially fucking Pochi. Pretty sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1894704
You take that back NANORAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>1894704
if they have higher numbers than the ID branch then it's a success. You can't reasonably expect HoloEN numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1892144
Is my region mean from your arena or from the location you set, ie: your pic is US?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1891137
i think the main problem with max live viewers is since people started looking at vod numbers they are starting to see live viewers may not be painting the full picture. So more poeple are making questions.
the examples with pople with 30k max live views but end in sub 100k vod views at the end of the stream and this is 2hrs is fucking weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1895583
>the examples with pople with 30k max live views but end in sub 100k vod views at the end of the stream and this is 2hrs is fucking weird.
It takes time for youtube to process the vid to display the correct views and livechat relay, I remember there's a time when it takes two or few more days because of lockdown and youtube's server under heavyload

[Anonymous No.]

>>1895199
Hey, I love Luna, but you can't deny that her appeal is pretty niche as is her fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1852964
How does Aqua do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1895401
Exactly. Ichikara don't even consider ID and KR a failure so if they do better with NijiEN than those two, it'll be fine. Anyone expecting HoloEN levels of popularity is a retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1895733
it happens more to others thought and is a really common differnce.
There is also those images of guras karaokes where she gets more or the same views while having half the max live.
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/ZlB9d0rpqvI
https://hiyoko.sonoj.net/video-info/HLXxLJqk4_0

While content i sa factor i see some bullshit on numbers many times is not consistent behavior even on streams done on similar times, and same lenght.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1895942
she is cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896128
that's a different problem - youtube not really showing all the live viewers, while total views remaining unaffected. Read the posts on this thread, there was a whole discussion on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896048
ID and KR are absolutely failures though and no amount of corporate sugar coating will change that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896363
oh no i agree, is just that people are starting to use the final views in comparison with live viewers just to get an idea of the magic tricks youtube is doing. that was my only point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896048
>Ichikara don't even consider ID and KR a failure
they renamed ID 2 times

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896595
That was IN, not ID. Point still stands that all of Ichikara's foreign expansions have been massive failures and NijiEN version 2.0 will be no different. Nijisanji just doesn't have any appeal aside from the weirdos that watch their shitty content in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896363
>youtube not really showing all the live viewers
No such thing, after around 1k views, they start update it every few minutes, under 500-1k, they update it in real time, their live view display seems to be very accurate, it's the view right after stream ends isn't accurate , it is often just a measured numbers before they process to calculate the right numbers, check the vyt archive, i think there's a topic about it long before

[Anonymous No.]

>>1899825
> it's the view right after stream ends isn't accurate
unlikely, it is actrually a few seconds and the sesions sends a RTX ping to youtube, every minute would be as innacurate as it could ever be. it was told in the same thread as >>1883858 graph came from and also there
the watchtime,voidlenght and max live views were posted comparing kuza,mito,pekora and gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896482
They are literally the company banking this entire thing. If it's successful for them, it's successful for them. There's a reason India was never named as a success but the other branches were.

>>1898636
Ah so now it's clear, you're just a retarded nijisanji hater. Makes sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1898636
>doesnt have any appeal
>yet is better than hololive
I guess if Nijisanji is 0 appeal than hololive is a negative number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1900139
That graph only shows that people in and out the stream multiple times and still count as multiple views thus isn't an accurate measure, at least with live view, you can know how many unique people watch the stream at the moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>1900559
the thing is that it might not be showing all the uniqe people. That´s where the graphs of watch,length,and final views com in hand. and the proof that something changed back then to not count some user anymore since vod views remain most stable but ony the max and min of live vieweres changed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1896482
anon it's indonesia they can live off an akasupa for more than a month

[Anonymous No.]

men are more entertaining streamers than women

[Anonymous No.]

>>1900781
>That´s where the graphs of watch,length,and final views com in hand
When your method isn't accurate measure then all of it information isn't accurate, try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>1879753
You truly hate yourself, don't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1902288
He's tranny lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
>Women love him

[Anonymous No.]

Uuoooohhhhh numbersssss! Give me numbers!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851313
He's pretty popular if you compared him to other male or Niji vtubers. He's nothing special if you're looking at the big picture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1910327
>if you're looking at the big picture.
what "big picture"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1910412
The only vtubers that are really comparable are a couple of the very top tier Hololive girls so I guess that is his big picture?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1910412
>>1911640
He must be looking at sub count and thinking he's about as popular as Ayame or Shion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1911640
>>1911803
i thought he meant like... compared to pewdiepie or shroud or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>1851478
Someone hook me up with these women please...

[Anonymous No.]

Is kuzuha into old hags or is any age fine for him?