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18177853 No.18177853 [Reply] [Original]

Idol culture has been the shittiest part of being a Hololive fan. It was more than 2 years ago, it still is, and it will always be. It needs to be rid of somehow.

It takes time, all the old bad ideas always died only when the people with those ideas were gone. It's time to pry for the change and in the times ahead, only that way those things can be erased.

>> No.18177902

>>18177853
Ogey

>> No.18177954

Then you're not really a fan of Hololive since idol culture has always been a part of it.

>> No.18177960

>>18177853
itoddler thread

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>Idol culture has been the shittiest part of being a Hololive fan. It was more than 2 years ago, it still is, and it will always be. It needs to be rid of somehow.

>It takes time, all the old bad ideas always died only when the people with those ideas were gone. It's time to pry for the change and in the times ahead, only that way those things can be erased.

>> No.18178054

>>18177853
Idol culture is not why there is a giant taboo against having a relationship in vtubing anon. It is otaku culture period. Much larger than Hololive.

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>>18177853

>> No.18178148

>>18177853
you can just watch niji, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>> No.18178167

Rushia would be a 2view without idol culture.

>> No.18178240

>>18177853
>bro just get rid of the one thing that puts them above regular streamers
>They totally won't leave and go to regular streamers who have vastly more experience doing the same job

>> No.18178269

>>18177853
Certain parts of idol culture are great and one of the biggest reasons hololive blew up so much. The toxic parts are outdated garbage though and mostly irrelevant outside of very specific chuubas. They should be judged more individually instead of trying to hamfist the 0815 idol template onto all of them.

>> No.18178296

>>18177853
Idol culture encompasses more than the whole GFE schizos
It is not inherently bad, but the whole "MUH CHUUBA WAIFU CANT BE SEEING A MAN" is fucking pathetic

>> No.18178328

>>18178148
>you can just watch niji
You can't admit to being in relationships in Niji either anon. You would know that if you actually ever watched a non-Hololive stream though.

>> No.18178426

>>18177853
All the "le wholesome" shit Reddit loves so much = the purity aspect of idols. Seriously. They're kind of huge idolfags at least in a certain way and have about the least bit of self-awareness possible, to the point they labeled it something as if they discovered it themselves while shunning the ideals that they also like under a different name.

>> No.18178427

>>18178328
You can go watch regular streamers.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

>> No.18178470

Yes, you're absolutely right! We need more sluts like Matsuri, she should be the new standard for Holo!

>> No.18178548

>>18178328
i thought there is actual couple there? kanda with gundou i think

>> No.18178611

>>18178470
I've always wondered why that scale is being reduced to completely pure maiden or cockhungry turboslut when theres thousands of varying degrees of being just completely fucking normal in between.

>> No.18178667

Don't use my oshi for your shitpost, nigger. Kys

>> No.18178669

>>18178611
it's like the *-wing brains, complete retards

>> No.18178800

I mean if you dont like idol culture dont watch an idol company. its not rocket science anon.

>> No.18178856

stop fucking watching the idol company then you absolute fucking retard fuck you

>> No.18178919

>>18177853
define "idol culture" redditor and what is specific about it for "idols" and not any other entertainers in nipon like... utaites for example

>> No.18178960

>>18178148
I think that Nijisanji deals with this stuff way better than Hololive

Hololive sometimes clearly states that the streamers are idols and they act like that so the public gets an even stronger idea of idol purity while in Nijisanji they're streamers and interact with streamers of the opposite gender and sometimes even flirt with them

I remember Ange hitting on Aruran while Aruran was dodging everything saying that he's an idol

The idol culture was one of the things that made me lose some interest in Hololive and watch more Nijisanji streamers. They're more casual while keeping a pleasant stream

>> No.18179117

Nah, in fact, I think Cover should go FULL idol culture and specify in the contract NO boyfriends and NO male interaction PERIOD! The talents then can choose whether or not to accept on their own volition. Only THIS can return Hololive to the purity that it once was.

>> No.18179165

>>18178470
Unironically I love Matsuri for being so unique KEK.

>>18177853
Anon, I get what you are saying and I agree in some part, but the "no boyfriend" thing isn't inherently associated with Hololive. Just look at what was going on past week with Veibae and Sodapoppin, unfortunately because of the internet being dominated by lonely men, some of them have this mindset that women streamers on the internet should be pure maidens that don't associate with any men.

>> No.18179248

>>18177853
Go back to r*ddit nigger

>> No.18179251

>>18177853
There's no point of vtubing existing unless they're idols.

>> No.18179266

>>18179117
this unironically

>> No.18179446

>>18178960
Nijisanji has “idols” and yet they get flirty with the men too. Uiha gets pretty close with Kai many times.
Recently though there’s been some events that have been signaling the infiltration of unicorns within Niji. Many het duos that were a thing in 2018-2019 have faded out for some reason. And lest we forget the schizo stalkers that forced Lulu into graduation recently. Interestingly these all happened after 2020, the year Hololive attained rapid traction and eventual dominance in the Vtubing market. There were bound to be some retards that think Hololive’s rules also applied to Niji.

>> No.18179534

>>18179446
Extremely unfortunate situation. Trying to be a female streamer in Japan seems like an impossible challenge. Honestly disgusting and incel-y as fuck.

>> No.18179566

>>18179446
in case you've never noticed, the one that does get flirty with men have absolutely shit earnings

>> No.18179910

>>18179117
I mean they never were pure but if they wanted to do this going forward I wouldnt be opposed. Quality would go down though due to limited talent pool. Would it no be better to accept the lies?

>> No.18180037

>>18179165
vshojos don't talk about their current, actual sex lives that they are actively doing a whole lot more than even holos do - they just get closer to the subject, talking about past or hypotheticals instead of saying "yes duh I'm with a dude" so what vei (and mouse) have been up to is pushing the line of what vshojo tries to style itself as.

They know their audience is way too ignorant/self-conscious to tell them "yes we wanna be hololive so fucking bad that's why we've redone all the ugly ones like silver into cute 2d girl waifu models" but that's what they've done and they have a bunch of people in denial about themselves/what they're doing there watching them as a result. I'm betting the pain they're feeling is probably several times greater than they let on because they're afraid of being uncool for talking about it openly, it's a bunch of virgins/incels pretending they're not while watching vtubers.

>> No.18180072

>>18179534
It's not an impossible challenge just literally don't talk about dudes on stream it's not that hard lmao

>> No.18180416

>>18179534
Lmao reddit take of the day, that "incel-y" reason is the same reason they win tons of money and fame overnight, also JP culture wins more terrain every day and western culture is fucking dying

>> No.18180472

>>18177853
fr fr no cap straight bussin

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>>18177853
Why are westerners like this
Barging in and working their ways to change anything foreign they come in contact with
You're no better than those christian preachers 1000 years ago

>> No.18180527

>>18180508
cultural imperialism pls understand

>> No.18180536

>>18177853
You can just watch some other stuff instead of holo girls. Look at vshoujo, niji etc.
>reddit spacing
And also you need to go back.

>> No.18180821

>>18178548
they have one "official" lesbian couple and apparently one dude with middle-aged model have a wife but there was a huge drama when apparently people heard kuzuha during Mikoto's ASMR stream.

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>>18177853
since im bored out of my mind, i'll bite as hard as i can.
"Idol culture" as you blanketly covered "le conservative bad" ideas of what amounts to idol and social contract between idols and their audience is rooted in japan's and human history for longer than you fucking british colony existed.
It amounts to much more than "NO BOIFREN NO CURSING NO POOPING" meme pushed by current narrative, the ideals of idol culture is what made hololive chuubas so attractive to viewers worldwide and what distinguished them from masses of other amateur internet broadcasters.
Arguably, you can trace back hololive to your mainstream media idols, but much more importantly to japanese theater industry(in very broad term), which in turn stems from edo era entertainment, theater and prostitution districts, and those ultimately take deep roots in religious practices.
The vtuber/idol/geisha/oiran/miko/shaman is in layman terms sacred existence, that engages as a gods and spirits representative with mortal world. She is bound by countless rules and is worshipped as a physical manifestation of spiritual powers. At the same time she is considered ultimate form of sacrifice, human existence reduced to a spiritual guide. So long as she sacrifices herself to gods(read as in society and rules imposed on her), she gets absolutely enormous, almost comically disproportionate support from believers, and if she breaks the rules it's immediate scorn and punishment. There are workarounds implied in such huge social contract cause it's not very practical to play the whole script to the letter, but those workarounds existence is making mistakes much more grave in eyes of believers, since you have an option to use a technicalities to navigate your lifestyle in a direction that is conventionally would be considered unacceptable.
You may laugh at it "it's just an anime girl streaming lmao get a life" and you'd be right but only partially.
Sit back and think about how hololive girls always get massive sacrifices in forms of art, animation, music submissions by some of the biggest artist in the industry, think about unreal amounts of money tied to branches of a superchat prayer tree, think about how every now and then tens thousands of people come to them to listen, entertain, interact, and try to understand that such support comes with a price and it's proportionally high.
The weight of girls actions and words is huge, hopes and dreams of literal millions of people and their own are resting on their shoulders, they can raise or topple a castle in seconds, there is a responsibility to it.

>> No.18184528

>>18177853
I mean, they can get rid of idol culture by graduating at any time. No one's holding them at gunpoint and demanding that they become millionaire idols.

>> No.18187619

>>18184528
tbqh, straight up graduation is not really on the table when you have millions of subs. Unless it's a massive yab, you better off walking the whole mile with pre-announcement and all movements involved. You need to persuade viewers to let you go, thats why Coco's graduation was that grand of a deal.

>> No.18187943

>>18177853
You do realize that the Idol Industry is the one that fostered this Idol Culture, right?

>> No.18188041

>>18177853
kys phone tourist

>> No.18188217

>>18179446
>infiltration
Anon, it was just as bad in Niji since back in 2018.
Girls playing with boys and vice versa still get flamed by unicorns of either side. See Hisupi, Lain, Maimoto, Gwelu, etc.
It never went away, the audience just broadened enough and now they're a smaller minority than they used to be.

>> No.18189767

>>18177853
YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT DON'T YOU DARE USE SUISEI'S IMAGE FOR PROPAGANDA. SHE'S MY WAIFU AND WE'RE IN AN OPEN RELATIONSHIP SO SHE CAN FUCK WHOEVER SHE WANTS.

>> No.18189932

>>18177853
you never were a hololive fan, youre an EOP that jumped on the bandwagon and trying to bring your twitter shit into a hobby you dont belong in

>> No.18190388

Interesting that the "idol culture bad" crowd never put the blame on the people who foster that culture in the first place and profit from it. GFE vtubers made a conscious decision to pander to gachikois. Guess what, when your business model is selling a fantasy, people are going to get mad if you ruin the fantasy for them.

>> No.18191539

>>18189767
Stop falseflagging

>> No.18191702

>>18190388
this

>> No.18193248

>>18177954
Newfag please....

>> No.18195504

>>18183534
This

>> No.18195742

>>18177853
Suiytan is an idolfag and thinks your EOP take is retarded. Other holos should learn from her opsec

>> No.18196049

>>18177853
What is it about concerts and songs that disgusts you so much?

>> No.18197312

>>18178669
*-wing brains is a cool term.

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