/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why aren't you learning Japanese, /vt/?

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Because it's worthless and won't help me at anything other than being more weeb.

I would rather learn a useful language

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>>17754034
I reached the point where I understand enough to watch porn and I got lazy.

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Unironically no time

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>>17754034
If I had the mental fortitude, intelligence and discipline to learn Japanese, I wouldn't be sitting here in a Bangladeshi basket weaving forum on a Friday night watching vtubers and slinging racial slurs.

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>>17754034
I basically got too comfortable with what I did know and stopped pursuing further. The barrier for me is written vs. spoken and basically my autism. I want to be able to read fluently, but when I realized 0% of those skills transfer to speech I thought I could no longer even use the excuse of my autistic pursuit having a side-benefit. Plus, I'm frankly not that motivated to learn a language as its dying...like imagine learning Japanese to understand vtubers, half the words they say aren't Japanese and the rest are simple. They also translate a lot of stuff. If I learn Japanese it's because I want to read real Japanese stuff that young Japanese people themselves can't, like 1000 year-old poetry or something.

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>>17754034
I already fucked my oshi

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>>17754034
Because I will never use it on a daily basis.

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What makes you think I'm not learning Japanese, OP?

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>>17754675

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What i know works for what I want to do with it.

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>>17754034
I'm incapable of learning new languages because I'm an autist, and even if I could, Japanese isn't even in the top five I would want to learn.

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It's one of the hardest languages for English speakers. Source: Foreign Service Institute

German's more closely related to English than French, Spanish, etc. are

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>>17754034
Cause IWNBJ

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>>17754034
I just don't have the time. I'm kinda good at reading kanji though.

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Im already learning but what page does that girl come from? I need excercises

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>>17756824
I want to learn German and Japanese, I'm pretty far into learning Japanese vocab and shit but I can't get past the fundamental gap of not being able to think in another language. Do you think doing that in German would suddenly make Japanese much easier? For German, all my ancestors are German, growing up I couldn't understand what people said at family gatherings because my parents didn't want to pass on the language and would instead speak in it to each other so we couldn't eavesdrop. I'm a bit rusty on no longer hearing it spoken every day but I feel like I probably have some entry point, though it was a German dialect so maybe that's useless.

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>>17754034
I'm dealing with other stress in my life, I wish I did take Japanese as a hobby when I was still in highschool and had a lot of free time

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>>17758157
I don't know if that would help, but I doubt it would hurt. It sucks that your parents didn't want to teach you German. It's a fun language, and you get to use that weird German B (ß) that no other language uses :-)

I barely think in English half the time. I only speak English and a little Spanish but I'd like to get better at Spanish.

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>>17754034
i passed n1 (im a neet retard so yes it was useless) years ago so i'm good

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>>17758157
>growing up I couldn't understand what people said at family gatherings because my parents didn't want to pass on the language and would instead speak in it to each other so we couldn't eavesdrop.
That sucks, I was sent to play with the kids in my family my age, and they were all girls who didn't want to include me, kinda assume that's why I'm fucked up socially

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>>17754034
i have a job

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>>17754034
I'm fucking trying, holy shit, leave me alone with this nightmare.

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>>17754034
I don't know.

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>>17757185
What app is that?

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>>17754034
I am. Too bad it's a shitty language and I hate it with every fiber of my being.

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>>17754034
My oshi is not a JP chuuba nor she's a EN one so, why should I?

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>>17759904
>even women who are related to you can't stand you

That's ruff.

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>>17761486
Kanji tree

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I am 31 years old and very stupid. It is not going to happen.

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>>17762721
same, but 34

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>>17762505
Thanks!
>>17758889
Same here, if I spent all the time I've been shitposting on /v/ into learning japanese back them I would've reached fluency twice by now.
It's surprisingly easier than I thought it would be, too bad I got discouraged without even putting my foot at the door. I'm still learning just at a very lax pace since last year.
難しい...

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>>17754034
I am, I started two months ago and am making solid progress, pretty happy with the progress so far

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Tell me just three good reasons to learn japanese and I'll do it. "You can visit japan" and "you won't have to wait for someone else to translate your animes/mangas" don't count because I have no interest in visiting their country and I barely care about anime nowadays.

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>>17765340
>good reasons
There aren't any, just learn if you want to. If you're old and you can't spare the time for it it's fine, but if you're young there's nothing really stopping you. If you need to be convinced that badly to learn something it is not worth your time.

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>>17765340
you put it on your resume and use it as an excuse to get a raise for being bilingual

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>>17765482
Anyone that demands others give them reasons like that is ngmi to begin with

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>>17765340
>translate hentai on commission to make money to spend on vtubers
>do the same for paypigs making skeb requests
>able to type "you will never be Japanese" in Japanese with extra smug superiority

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>>17765340
Nobody wants people like you to learn Japanese, these threads are aimed at people who like Japanese culture since this website is full of them.

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>>17765482
I'm a neet waiting to die. I have the spare time for it, but I'd never learn an entirely different language just so I could watch JP chuubas. I like them but not to that extent.

>>17765503
I'm trilingual so it's hard to imagine it making a difference.

>>17765759
It feels like you gave only two reasons but I liked them, especially the last one.

>>17765852
>Nobody wants people like you to learn Japanese
Why not? I said I'm not interested in their culture, not that I'm against it.

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>>17754034
Because ignorance is bliss.
I most likely wouldn't enjoy the JP vtubers if I know precise what they are talking about.

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I did and now I use it to vaguely imply that Japanese VTubers are no better than western ones without providing specific examples

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>>17766680
The king.

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>>17766256
>but I'd never learn an entirely different language just so I could watch JP chuubas
I don't think that could ever work as a main motivator but more of something extra you could do from acquiring the knowledge, I started because there are a multitude of media that I like that is never going to get translated like old games and VNs, anime and manga were a side thing, and when I got interested in vtubers I was already learning so it was an extra for me.

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I am.
Slowly.
Recently learned about masu and nasai to the end of verbs.
Generally you'd just go with masu but you can use nasai to indicate that you view the other person as beneath than you, since you'd use it when talking to a kouhai or child.

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>>17767044
I don't think that could ever work as a main motivator but more of something extra you could do from acquiring the knowledge
Yeah, I agree. While I do think it's never a bad thing to learn a new language, it's hard to stay motivated if you think it's not going to be of any use to you in the future.

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I trying to find a good way to understand Japanese just by listening, fuck learning the moonrunes I leave that to the machines.

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What method do you guys use?
Been lurking /djt/ for weeks and idk which anon should I listen to.
So far I've been working on the 2k/6k Core Deck and has a very minimal grammar knowledge.

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>>17768095
I watch vtubers and google terms I don't understand if I know what the majority of a sentence means.

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>>17768341
>>17768095
/vt/ needs a /djt/ because we can actually share notes on which vtubers we watch for easy learning. For me, It's Anya and Beatani.

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>>17768377
Beatani speaks too much English.
Full immersion or it's useless.
Go watch Minato Aqua

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>>17756824
German is closely related to English historically, with the vast majority of everyday English vocabulary being Germanic in origin and the syntax being unmistakably Germanic. However, due to the way history panned out, English became so thoroughly Latinized (by way of French) that when you actually need to convey complex ideas, you end up using mostly Latin vocabulary to communicate.

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>>17768076
Moonrunes are the fun part, I hate spoken Japanese because it's all basically zoomer slang where they are just saying words from other languages with a Japanese accent.

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>>17754034
Because my oshi does not know Japanese.

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>>17768612
She self-translates every other sentence just like Anya. Her utilization of the YT playback feature is also very useful for learners.

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I realized that I'd rather just watch EN 2views than bother with it

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>>17754034
I am. it's fun and sometimes it's so frustrating you ask yourself why did you want to learn this shit. Being able to listen to a stream, voice works, clips, and read some sentences is satisfying.

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>>17754034
I'm already learning it.
And this thread stinks of EOPs *leaves thread*

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>>17754034
俺はファッゴットだぜ~

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>>17754034
Lazy

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>>17754034
I am though

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>>17754034
俺は学んでるぞ

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>>17754757
Name of that website/app pls

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>>17768377
>/vt/ needs a /djt/
it's true

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder that you can easily get decent at Japan by spending 30 minutes a day doing anki reps for about a year.
Most of you spend much more time than that shitposting here everyday you have no excuse

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Big yikes. EOPs should do their reps or not come to a Japanese stream.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/learnmain.html

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>>17778267
>decent at Japan
ur not even decent at England

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>>17772090
違う。お前はニーガだぞ

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Do it for her.

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>>17777815
Wanikani.

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>>17779743
On the contrary, she's practically doing it for me.

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Because Asians are disgusting looking zipper heads. Im not a big enough weeb consumer to give a shit about media I'm missing out on. If I want to learn a language I'll learn one not made by bug people.

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Because my oshi speaks English and Chinese, not Japanese

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>>17767617
Anon you are not serious right?

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>>17754034
but I am. でも、下手です

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>>17777815
use anki. It's free and there's even a wanikani deck you can search for here https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/benkyou.html

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>>17768775
vtubers like Pikamee who self translate will fucking cripple your gainz.
Like anon said, the best use of your time as a beginner is slow and focused study, not "watching subtitled media but the subtitles are audio."
>>17768736
spoken japanese is still mostly japanese, by a huge margin. The loanwords just stick out to you.

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I did Hiragana and Katakana, i'm now working on Kanji. How exactly am I supposed to learn Kanji? Every Symbol has multiple reading, do I learn the most common one and move on or am I supposed to study all the readings?

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>>17756824
I'll never believe this arbitrary ranking, Hindi is at least as difficult for English speakers as Japanese, possibly even more so. Probably the only reason Japanese is in category 5 is because "the kanji, there are SOOO many of them", but not even Japanese people memorize them all. Hindi's grammatical structures are even less well defined than Japanese's, so good fucking luck trying to train your brain to recognize anything people are saying because it's going to change from person to person.

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>>17783142
learn vocab and let the readings come to you

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>>17783142
You're better off learning the readings and kanjis as you learn new words.
For example when you learn 白い、remember that it's read as しろ, when you learn 白人 remember that it's read as はく。

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>>17783142
you kinda have to mentally throw out the idea that the sounds a letter uses makes a word
and sort of make this concept that a words pronunciation doesnt rely on how its spelt

sort of like how silent letters work in english, everyone spells them with the silent letter but the pronunciation is different
pneumonia has a P in it but its said 'neu mon ia'
Wednesday is pronounced 'wensday' but is spelled 'wed nes day'
hell fucking xylophone is pronounced with a 'zai' in it

people have learned to mentally separate the way a word is said from the way the spelling tells you how you *should* pronounce it

just because the letter C is in a word doesnt mean the word is always pronounced 'see' in the reading

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>>17754034
Because people like you are a broken record.

I do not learn Japanese because I am based.

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>素人

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>>17783142
don't learn kanji individually, that's for dummies, just learn vocabulary and the readings will eventually just manifest in your brain

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Sometimes I come to /vt/ thinking the board wouldn't be as bad as I thought, then I see low quality garbage like >>17791067 and I regret myself for ever clicking on /vt/ in the first place

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>>17791457
I am an anon of principle. I accept that I am not Japanese therefore I do not wish to learn the Japanese to deny who I am.

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>>17791457
Yeah, this board truly is filled with /v/ermins who unironically post the absolute worst garbage ever, but hey if they attach a monochrome picture of a buff man they're automatically based and correct

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>>17791707
Let me ask you anon. Should you ever god forbid be in Japan ever speak to someone over there in Japanese and are not rich. You don't think they won't mock you behind you back, thinking you can speak like they can because you know their language? No, they'll think you're a filthy gaijin like everyone else because you are not literally Japanese like they are. That pretty much applies to every other language or nationality.

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>>17791707
they act like this irl too, this particular fucker probably barges into Japanese-only bars/restaurants while acting like an absolute faggot just to piss everyone off while thinking of chad images in his head

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>>17791883
Well clearly you don't have an actual response to the logic being presented to you, anon.

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>>17791883
Yep, those are the worst, just acting like the blackest niggresses in real life while using pictures of the complete opposite on the internet

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>>17765340
>translator work
>hang out in Japanese places, read Japanese, communicate with Japanese people
>enjoy Japanese media
that's pretty much it, nobody is forcing you to learn it, but if you're a mega weeb like a lot of people here, it's the most helpful skill you can learn if you want to maximize your enjoyment of everything Japanese, hell, maybe in the far future, you might consider wanting to live in rural Japan or something, to live the rest of your days in max comfort, like one of them SoL animes set in rural Japan

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All I have to say is that having been a weeb for decades now but being less than a year into learning Japanese, I regret not having started learning it years earlier. The first time I was able to read かわいい in chat was a revelation, and it's only gotten better since then.

And it's all thanks to Kiara, who made me ask myself why, if she could achieve fluency, couldn't I learn the language? Some dreams can be made real.

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>>17765340
>Tell me just three good reasons to learn japanese and I'll do it.
Hololive streams.
Hololive tweets.
Game Center CX.
Playing games without American-inserted faggotry and lies.
Playing games and reading manga that will never ever be translated.
Being able to shitpost on another chan with a vastly different yet similar culture.

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>>17783142
Learn by immersion and lookup. If you can't remember them then make your own anki decks based on the lookups you do.
Isolated kanji study is a meme and will at most make you one of those people like TT Joey who can't read a playboy article properly enough to notice it's about influencers but will regale you of his stories when japanese people were totally wowed by him explaining the etymology of rare kanji at a party. (exactly the same as an ESL who spergs on about grammar syntax jargon & etymology of words but are shit at speaking & reading)

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>>17754034
I certainly would if it were the 1980s. But then again doujin translations come out pretty slowly

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>>17791509
>deny who I am
A faggot american?

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>>17791145
>>17793753
I think isolated kanji learning has its place if you want to learn how to write, but only after you've cleared core6k or over a year of daily studying.

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>>17754167
Hindi?

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>>17793426
wut? is gccx still on going?