/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why are NijiEN collabs banned but this shit is allowed?
>because Niji just wants to leech
And Vshojo doesn't? Pomu and Kiara seem to have a very close bond but they're getting cockblocked by management for little to no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Hololive wants to leech off VShojo since they have the higher views.
Nijisanji wants to leech off Hololive since they have the higher views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
The nips will always have respect for superior American culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Enjoy your nihon corpo, lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Stfu, go rape your sister and kys,
stop roping niji into your shitty thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Nijisanji management blocked it.
Not Holo.
Shit timeloop.
Go away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Nijisanji is Hololive's direct competitor, so it makes sense that Omegatranny would ban anything that would cause NijiEN to have any exposure. On the other hand, VShojo is a de facto indie company that streams on another platform, and so is not really a direct competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Niji are chink owned. NijiJP are cool with it since some of them are very close with holos and dont give a shit if they lose their chink audience (honhima, sara, debiru, etc.). But nijiEN are heavily invested on by Riku's chink overlords, so they dont want non of holo to be in contact with their "EN" branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
It's simple, Niji have Collab fees while Vshojo don't.

[Anonymous No.]

Cover won't pay the collab fee that Niji charges.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17334304
>Source: My Ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
What the fuck are you talking about? Rosemi just had a collab with mouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
HoloEN management is trying to demoralize Kiara so that she eventually graduates on her own like Coco. It's simply her fate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17334304
>company with less market share denying collab with the one with more
>company with a clear track record of letting livers collab with whoever they want (even a controversial figure like a Yutabon) is the one denying collab and not the company with split policy
Hmm yes....it all makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Probably because unlike NijiEN, people actually watch Vshojo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17334505
>>17335666
Then provide your sources on why holoen and holoid can collab with anyone else apart from nijien?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
It's likely that Hololive is trying to gain more audience for HoloEN. Also, VShojo has a less chance of leeching off HoloEN since you know, they have twice the viewers of NijiEN. Still, I wonder if Omega secretly considers VShojo as "competition"

[Anonymous No.]

A lot of people see this whole holo/niji thing like it's some retarded war so I'm sure management does too, and in that respect it's probably most comparable to how WWF did cross-promotion with ECW in the 90's but would take any chance to shit on WCW despite both technically being competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17335932
it's a conspiracy by onegatroon and connor to destroy vtubing as revenge for the chuuba sapiens destroying their tranderthal ancestors at the beginning of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Because Hololive and Vshojo are not actually competition. Twitchfags wont go to youtube and youtubefags wont go to twitch. The target audience they have is actually different. Since they are not competing for viewers, collabs wont hurt

[Anonymous No.]

>>17336216
>competing for viewers
By that logic, all hololive members are getting in each other's ways and are competing for viewers, and shouldn't collab.
Why would you think people won't watch both Holo and Niji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17335932
>Holo EN
>Can collab with anyone

[Anonymous No.]

I'm more interested on nijiEN hanging out with the smaller agencies. I've seen Mysta chatting with prism and cyberlive talent lately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333957
T-THEY ARE???

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Necause Vshojo actually has views comparable to HoloEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17337064
They are tribalist so they project it to everyone

[Anonymous No.]

This was requested by ironmouse to Make-a-wish, relax.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Even within Vshoujo the only ones allowed on Holo streams are Mouse and Nyanners. It's about the numbers. I wish they had another Pika collab though.

[Anonymous No.]

If VShojo switched to streaming on YT then HoloEN would ban them too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338586
So your telling me there's a chance!

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338868
I'd unironically like to see it and would enjoy the meltdown on /vt/ but Gura seems to be a no-no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17337064
They are competing with each other. They are all under Hololive umbrella though so it's good for management, doesn't allow the talents to get complacent if they want to get ahead. Collabs with NijiEN would be taking away Cover's revenue, not increasing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338868
>stinky feet zatsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>17336216
They are competition, vshojo is just ahead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333957
Once Mori destroys Hololive and M*les boost Niji, management will finally carve and try to leach of niji.
That's how we get Kiara-Pomu collab.
Trust in plan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17339347
>Gura and Nyanners collab
>It's 3 hours of ranking every Hololive/VShojo's feet on a tier list
I'd watch it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17335932
>collab with anyone else apart from nijien
more like collab with anyone that doesn't share viewership with them because they know niji will just continue taking the viewership as it's already happened with people like roberu's oil baron jumping ship to nijimales

[Anonymous No.]

>>17334304
>>17334505
Source is Pomu and Kiara
There was also an accidental leak during the chinese trauma by Arisu that niji didn't allow any collab with holo japan side too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17341411
>people like roberu's oil baron jumping ship to nijimales
She still dropping multiple red to robert anon. It's just She has too much money and Winning son barely stream anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>17341616
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMQF7VPADI8

[Anonymous No.]

>>17341689
This several months old link neither confirms nor denies anything. Why does it keep getting posted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17342025
Because Kiara literally said that niji's management didn't allow it, moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343162
Link to the exact timestamp where she says "Nijisanji" or "Anycolor".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343229
How about you get some listening comprehension instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>17335932
>Source? Source? Source? Do you have a source on that? Source? A source. I need a source.
>Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
>No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
>You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
>Do you have a degree in that field? A college degree? In that field? Then your arguments are invalid.
>No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation. Correlation does not equal causation. CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
>You still haven't provided me a valid source yet. Nope, still haven't.
Fuck off, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343229
holy fuck, you literally can't think for yourself at all, can you? You really need everyone you talk to to spoonfeed you everything. Actually kill yourself. You contribute absolutely nothing to anyone and I don't see that changing anytime soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343269

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338338
Her wish was to have a second collab with Mori?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338868
Imagine the smell

[Anonymous No.]

Always the same shit
>Niji does something
>Niji fans blame Hololive for it
Everytime

Recently there was that funny thing where budha made a video about the niji covid cluster but then proceeded to mostly talk and blame Hololive, talking about the exodia off-collab, etc...
It's really funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343440
it's included in the "become a famous vtuber" package, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343769
Idk man it kinda sounds like you're really mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343162
She literally said that she's not gonna say who turned it down, and somehow your conclusion is that shes talking about Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338586
Pikamee is fucking garbage tier the bottom of the barrel of Vtubing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343963
And then the chat spam Pomu and she says "yeah that's it"
Retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Because it will bring them new viewers that comes from twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343769
>catalogue
Yep, totally, never seen the opposite happen, ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>17336188
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343769
Wonder if they will make a video about Ibrahim being married, 5ch is on fire right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333957
>Hololive wants to leech off VShojo since they have the higher views.
go and check who has more views on their collab and then talk. I an not even a Holofag but that has to be a bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343269
Why are you so proud about being a nonsense spouting retard, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344005
obviously shes talking about the pomu collab, thats what she's admitting, but thats not about who turned it down.
What's fucking point of going 'Im not gonna say who denied it to keep things in good faith' but the giving it away anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344211
Is it asperger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
>That thumbnail looks way too neat and boring. Here, have this. You could say i'm a bit of a designer myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344138
good point, let's see
OH NO NO NO NO NO

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive stream on YouTube
Niji stream on YouTube
VShojo stream on Twitch

Niji is direct competition to Hololive
VShojo is not

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
>sponsored

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344356
lmao go check the vod, at that time she was the only one from VShojo who was streaming compared to three Holo's. Cope Harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343976
ok but why

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344527
Do people even watch vods on twitch? Nobody seems to take vods seriously there, not even twitch itself. Youtube is infinitely better when it comes to vods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344356
if you check the VOD, Calli has 170K views
Mouse has like 97K views. It's not even close.
Also Gura was also streaming at that time and maybe even Fauna

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
Chinks

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344600
>eems to take vods seriously there, not even twitch itself. Youtube is infinitely better when it comes to vods.
I am a Vod watcher as she was not streaming in my timezone.
And that is not an argument here, she still has more viewers

[Anonymous No.]

Do we even know if it's Holo blocking the collabs & not Niji? HoloID has collabed with everyone and even they can't get NijiEN collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343162
>I asked to collab with someone specific, Im not gonna name any names, but I was turned down and I not gonna say by who or why or whatever...
So with this you saying Kiara just somehow contacted direct a niji manager for a collab?
For me I read as: I was turned down by Omega and the reason is he dont wanna me giving the competitor exposure

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344668
What reason would NijiEN have to block a collab?
Holo has a good business reason to block a collab: to not put spotlight on their new direct competitor

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344696
Anyone with a brain would understand she was turned down by Pomu herself who probably asked her management and was turned down
How fucking stupid can you be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344600
Sometimes I try to but Twitch's VOD player is dogshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17334393
>But nijiEN are heavily invested on by Riku's chink overlords

What does that even mean? Do you actually think that NijiEN is some sort of separate corporate entity that has its own different investors (and that those are supposedly more chinks than any other branches?). And you pretend know this, how?

Also, "NijiEN cares about losing their chink audience"? What chink audience? They aren't particularly chink-targeted or focused, for example they don't stream on bili or wherever else chinks would have any actual leverage on them.
The cope that "it's actually Niji that denies Holo collabs... because chinks!" makes no sense when we're talking about the EN branches of both companies, and those weren't particularly involved in the chink drama (that was mostly a HoloJP only problem), and the chinks don't actually care about the companies EN branches at all (they cared about HoloJP because those had an actual presence in China at the time, so chinks felt "betrayed" or whatever).

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344648
>And that is not an argument here, she still has more viewers
According to this logic, even Kiara gets more viewers than Mouse. But can you seriously say that Kiara is more important than Mouse when it comes to VTubing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344771
Wow nice brain you have there

[Anonymous No.]

>laughing my ass at people in this thread both saying niji is trying to leech viewers from holoEN while also being the one who's denying offers to collab with holoEN

they can't both be true. I know it's different anons with different degrees of stupid, but it's funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344527
>vod cope
And there it is. Right on script

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344005
Referring to the person she wanted to collab with, idiot. The chat isn't spamming "Pomu" because they mean "Nijisanji management".

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344701
There are several reasons, the fact that anycolor has very strong ties with china, that Hololive itself got big partly thanks to their frequent collab with niji back in the days, etc...

There is one funny anectode where Matsuri who was really into mayuyu back then keep sending him gifts but all of them were refused and returned since ichikara (back then) thought these could have been bugged
And we actually got a leak by Arisu showing that she and other livers received a mail from the management pressing them not to collab with anyone from hololive back during the taiwan shit

>>17344873
Not him but anycolor is mainly financed by Itochu that is the main source of china's soft power on japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344600
>Youtube is infinitely better when it comes to vods.
That way a similar argument can be made that Twitch is much better for showing the more precise live count.
Plus why should the Vod views not get counted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344979
If that was true, then why are HoloJP-NijiJP and HoloID-NijiID collabs still allowed? Anycolor chinese ties would affect all branches, not just EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344941
give me one reason why it should not be counted then?
Also Youtube acts as a sussy baka when it comes to Live Viewers.
Also there were 3 Holo streaming as supposed to 1 Vshojo member

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345116
>susan cope
>overlap cope
CCV is everything. Never forget.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345065
For HoloJP-NijiJP the only ones that are allowed are long standing ones like shiishii who is resistance and just go through management, and even then it's mostly on hololive channels

HoloId/NijiID is obviously a different beasts since all the streamers are friends with each other, anycolor probably just doesn't care about niji id

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345172
lmao she literally has twice as many views as her in the vod
>CCV is everything. Never forget.
why? becuase you say so??
That way Gura should not even be this popular to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345233
stop falling for the bait, its obviously apparent that he is a Vshojo fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345221

For the niji/holo collabs there is also the fact that a lot of niji livers know that their fans hate hololive
Even if they themselves are still friends

Okayu is like one of the few holo who isn't completely hated by the niji fanbase so a collab with her is still accepted

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344940
obviously the way you leech is by not collabing with them, the sheer avoidance will draw all the rival's company's fans towards you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345445
ah yes, the tsundere law of magnetism. truly a grand plan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344899
>Can you seriously say that Kiara is more important than Mouse when it comes to VTubing?

It's very subjective. I am not particularly a fan of a cooperation, so for me both are up there.
But why the Kiara hate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17340931
The nijimales already get constant 7k views and as high as 11k.
Median average I would say is close to 5k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345425
Maybe true for JP, not true at all for EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344611
you retarded? who the fuck watches vods on twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345221
That's not true at all dude. Sister Claire has nothing to do with Subaru or Okayu she just got Okayu's contact info for the first time at a recent collab. Choco is also not always interacting with Nijis who she knows well

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345592
son i can tell that you are new here. We stan the mouse as she is able to do so much despite her condition. Iron Mouse will go down as one of the most important VTubers in VTubing history only next to people like Kizuna Ai, Coco and Korone after everything is over. Kiara is just a woman who got lucky and joined Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344979
>Not him but anycolor is mainly financed by Itochu that is the main source of china's soft power on japan

Still doesn't answer anything, especially the retarded claim that it's especially the NijiEN branch that is somehow "more heavily" invested by chinks. As opposed to, what? That's not how any of this works.

Again, the whole theory "it's actually the chinks investors of Niji that prevent any collabs between their EN branch and Holo's EN branch, because... reasons!" has too many retarded assumptions to be believable, especially when the more probable theory ("It's actually just HoloEN blocking the collabs, because they don't want to advertise their direct competitor for free, and have little to gain (no new viewers, as every NijiEN viewer already knows HoloEN) / much to lose (not every HoloEN viewer knows NijiEN, so there's risk of some migration)" makes much more sense.

The "chink-problem" was always just a specific HoloJP problem only (Coco Taiwan yab being the big one), and chinks always mostly targeted HoloJP for it (their rationale being "get Coco fired, make Cover bend the knee, and make 'our' HoloJPs return to China"), they don't care about the EN branches because they are neither involved nor especially beloved in China (HoloJP had a previous presence there, that's what made it so "personal" for chinks and that's why they thought they had leverage to pressure them).
So if Niji's chink investors wanted to "punish" Hololive for the Taiwan-drama, you'd think they actually push for stopping collabs between NijiJP and HoloJP (the one actually responsible for the drama), because those are the most important branches and that actually matter to them. But when confronted with this hole in the theory, retards try to cope with "w-well, NijiJP and HoloJP had pre-existing connections, s-so the chinks can't influence them as much". Bullshit, now we are supposed to believe that the zealot chink spammers who are so rabid and outraged about Holo that they'd try to get talents fired would actually stop and be nice and go "oh well, you knew each other before, that's ok no problem, continue on :)". But if the new EN branches, that had no connection to the drama plus no attachment by the chinks, wanted to collab one year later, THAT's now supposedly an absolute no-go and the chinks now really care about preventing that, for...reasons? Sure. Makes less sense than the simpler competition-theory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345794
wtf is that argument, that way Youtube was also cucking Mori in counter argument

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345868
NTA but I'd like to add on this, Chinks wouldn't care about "EN" branch.

since the dawn of time, the chinks hated anything remotely similar to the west. they'd care more about the ID branch (asians) than EN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345794
Apparently a lot actually.
Iron Mouse has around 200K views on her Jp stream (before VOD) and after VOD, she gained like 200K+ views

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345221
>the only ones that are allowed are long standing ones
Since when have collabs between Yuhi Riri and Choco been a longstanding constant? And did Noel ever have a connection to Lain Paterson or Rindou Mikoto in the past?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345853
You are a retard if you think that Mousey having a disease is the reason she is so inspiring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345853
>you are new here. We

[Anonymous No.]

>>17334304
Why holokeks like this?
Niji collabs literally with everyone, even those who do not gain 500 viewers, have more freedom and opportunities. But in the opinion of holokeks, they block collaborations with a corporation from which they could benefit.
Meanwhile holo almost never collabs outside of its bubble, and for more than a year of its existence, EN has had the minimum number of collaborations and is losing to the newly founded nijien. But holokeks think they are open to any kind of collab and do not block the offer from the main competitor on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346080>>17345592

Mouse was able to do so much even before she she joined Vshojo. She is an amazing fucking singer and literally mogs all the Holo talents. She literally beats them at their own game and that just shows how amazing she is despite being in a fucked up condition. She predates Hololive itself so at least have some fucking respect for her before comparing her to VTubers like Kiara

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346441
then explain why HoloID X NIji En got cancelled but in the same week, Holo ID was able to collaborate with Niji ID?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346514
Holo management (the higher-ups) see NijiEN as a growing competitor. NijiID has been around for ages and poses little threat to HoloID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345299
At least vshojo fans don’t sttack talents and bring up months old drama to stop a collab they dislike along side getitng upset over a literal meme the talent liked, but ya know your a 4Chan user your bottom of the barrel to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346514
Top management can dictate what to do with a particular group. EN and ID are essentially controlled by the same people and may have related prohibitions. Holoid have a huge percentage of the English-speaking audience and would not benefit from such a collaboration

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346584
what??
how do you even know this?
and its not like the collaboration between Ollie and Selen got cancelled for the first time. It was the second time it happened. And that way VShojo is more of a threat to Hololive than Nijisanji En

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346653
lol
forgetting the Nux thing you two faced bitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346734
that was misinformation
Hey remember the coco situation, the vei situation, the constant attacking yall did to kiara, making one of holos gen 1 leave hmm what else

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346653
coughs..
Nux(even though he is a retard, you guys literally dog pilled on him with your streamers and honestly he did not deserve no matter how much i hate him)

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346693
Vshoujo is not a direct competitor or threat to HoloEN, because they are on a totally different platform, have a different streaming format than HoloEN, and their (important) talents have been around way longer than HoloEN. Vshoujo had many viewers would not know of HoloEN otherwise, so Cover permits those collabs: because there is a possibility of gaining a new audience.
In comparison, NijiEN is on the same platform, has very similar stream structure to HoloEN, and the branch itself is relatively new. The vast vast majority of NijiEN viewers already know of HoloEN, so Cover doesn't see an opportunity to grow from a collab, and could in fact lose viewers for it, hence why Cover is blocking it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346693
vshojo are the ones closet to views holo I believe maybe there’s something going on bwtween nijisanji and holo they csnt talk about thsts blocking thr collabs recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346811
didn’t yall dogpile on kiara,coco, and now mori for the stupidest reasons try to stop multiple collabs because you didnt like the talent they were collabing with lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346803
are you retarded??
Aloe left because of constant bullying from the Nijisanji Jp fans. Go and at least do your research properly.
>the coco situation
Literally everyone in the Holo fandom loved coco, it were the antis from the China nation who did this.
>the vei situation
you have already lost by bringing Vei. She has a history of saying controversial things(recent shy lily drama is an other example).
She literally said that Hololive is a terrible company and Talents "have to do weird stuff to get into Hololive"
and she claimed that she knows a person who left Hololive because she was forced to "Graduate"(and there was only 1 member who was forced to graduate and that was Hitomi Chris because of the harassment thing she was involved in and literally no one knows what she was doing here)
I agree that the Kiara and Calli situation were mis happening on our ends, espicially Kiara.
Calli should have handled the situation better but i am not defending the fandom here for their shitty behaviour.
So at least have the balls to own up to your wrong doings

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346949
that does not mean that you are all pure and "better fans". The toxic Vshojo fans are just as bad as the the toxic Holollive fans.
So go fuck yourself anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347089
Cool opinion buddy but your a 4chan user

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347202
how ironic dude. You are just as pathetic as me

[Anonymous No.]

Because the Niji women were horrible people in their past lives but Petra.
t. /wvt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347282
btw i am not even the person you were responding to and also like Vshojo and Nijisanji but unlike you am aware that there are rotten apples in every single community. So stop with the cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>17338868
Pink cat don't give a shit, but would love this to happen for the meltdown here alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347345
as a holo fan, you are definitely wrong. Pomu is a gods gift and i wish she was in Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347359
What you bro im on both sides i love vshojo and holo im just calling out bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>17343229
You have clinical autism, go get yourself diagnosed, at least that way you can live on welfare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17345425
>their fans hate hololive
Kek, great brainwashing. No one opposes collabs with holo, except for antis from japanese sites like 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347494
then there is no bad blood between us. As both sides have trash that should be thrown in the dustbin

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347582
i dont really see anything wrong with both sides yeah some stuff happened in the past but whatever all ik rn is the mori stuff that’s currently going on

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347641
dont respond to HoloFags. They are malding that Vei is the most popular EN VTuber and Vsjojo may overtake Holo En

[Anonymous No.]

>>17344527
Both Silvervale and Zentreya were streaming during the collab, tho Zen ended early into it.

[Anonymous No.]

Which Vshojo/Hololive collab would cause the biggest shitshow?
I vote Vei/Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
It isn't about leeching, its about conflict of interest.
We all know most HoloENs would rather be in Niji or VShojo but the instant fame and low-effort streaming is too enticing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17346023
That one might be a bit of an outlier due to it having a ton of cross fan potential (Connor, Trash Taste,.Vshojo, clippers, shipping fags, etc). It was kind of a unique event. I doubt any other Mousey VOD will do that, save maybe her birthdays which are always big draws.>>17346080

[Anonymous No.]

>>17347916
I feel like Nyanners/Gura would be even fucking worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17333893
I don't want collabs with Niji. Or males. Also, don't worry. Pink Bessie's udder is large and heavy, and though she gave a lot of milk in recent days it won't take long before her cup overflows and she leans onto something else. Mori is the first true lulzcow of the vtuber community and her fans ever moreso, and she'll continue to do retarded, grotesque spectacles of incompetence and ugliness.

This woman singlehandedly managed to damage the reputation of vtubing as a whole and HoloEN as a whole through sheer retardation, and didn't have the common decency to even apologize. She should've done an entire apology stream, full digital dogeza, and swear to cut off Connor and similar trash from her professional life. She did not, but in fact doubled down on her retardation and collabed with Ironmouse and thus VShoujo. I don't blame Ironmose or VShoujo (and don't watch them), but it's clear Mori's inflated ego and total lack of common sense will inevitably result in another yab, more drama, more bullshit and further lowering of standards. She is the gateway of shit, a sewage pipe plugged into Hololive.

Since Cover itself has done fucking nothing to punish her we can expect the whole shitshow - males, male collabs, collabs with 3D randos and so on. Cover has betrayed the fans that made them successful in the West, in short. I'm expecting the company to shit itself entirely and I hope it happens as soon as possible, so that I can stop watching them entirely like I did with Niji. My hope is that one day I'll be able to follow Gura in whatever other career she takes, be it as an indie or something else entirely, and the sooner Cover implodes the better. This company didn't deserve the fans it got. It simply capitulated to the normalfags.

Going back to Pink Bessie (Mori), the lulz will continue. She'll fuck up again. And for those of you who aren't aware, "Bessie" is a name often given to cows traditionally. Pink Bessie = pink lulzcow. That's how I see her. She is a joke.

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>>17333893
Shadowverse should NEVER be allowed. Even more boring to watch than your average vtuber stream.

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>>17348683
They should have played yugioh, too bad they have low IQ.

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>>17344979
Then why did they hire petra, who had been flamed in china in her past life for similar reasons to coco?

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>>17343261
>>17343370
>>17347514
>still no real source
Thanks for your concession.

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>>17348414
Maybe I'm wrong about this but I get the feeling that people aren't seething so much about pink cat anymore. She seems to take vtubing seriously and is mostly harmless these days. Veibae is still doing shitty things right now.

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>>17347202
Kill yourself discordtroon

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>>17350536
>Maybe I'm wrong about this but I get the feeling that people aren't seething so much about pink cat anymore. She seems to take vtubing seriously and is mostly harmless these days
Mostly because there's nothing high profile like collabing with Gura, to use that example. Pink Cat is essentially a grifter with no internal principles whatsoever and has turned her back on her fans from both the loli and anti-loli side on separate occasion, depending on which way the wind blows. I didn't go deep into looking up her past actions but the general consensus among those in the know is that she's simply unreliable in a deeper sense and will abandon or distance herself from you if it seems there's something to gain.

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>>17350769
Not that I'm going to change your mind, but the general consensus about her on /vt/ is really not something you should take as gospel. The Mori&Connor drama of the past few days should have shown you how irrationally the people here react to shit. If you haven't looked into her past much either do it or just stay out of it. Joining a hate train to "fit in" is really stupid.

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>>17350353
>anon gives source
>retard refuses to watch source
>"Thanks for your concession."
This is why you never argue with retards, anons. He was given the answer, but refused to acknowledge it and declared that he "won." What did he win? absolutely nothing. Is he proud of this? Yes, for some reason. People like this cannot be reasoned with and they will never learn. Best to just ignore their retardation or watch them like a freak show.

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>>17351523
>calls her fanbase literal cucks
>guy she's defending goes on to attack all of hololive for it's "purity culture" of not letting in twitch drama
Oh yeah it's totally irrational to react badly to either of those.
What's rational is dumping your salary on supachats for a woman who outright calls you a cuckold for doing so.

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And in the end, no real confirmation was given.

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>>17344696
It's genuinely funny that you think Omega has literally any power and isn't just the IRyS of gen 2 or something

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>>17351523
>The Mori&Connor drama of the past few days should have shown you how irrationally the people here react to shit.
Heh, no. The only problem here is we haven't gone full throttle to remove her from Hololive entirely due to her horrible behavior that compromised the prestige of HoloEN and has compromised western vtubing as a whole. There is no excusing Mori, Connor and that entire shitshow. Cover should've graduated her on the spot.

I have no strong feelings towards Nyanners because she's on the periphery of my awareness and I never watched her. I just know about her situation because I know about pomf :3 and can't take a person who would disavow something as good as that seriously. The rest of the stuff I read about her just makes her seem like a general grifter in terms of principles, so I won't bother with her at all. I'm not interested in collabs on any kind at all, I don't even understand why people keep bringing them up and insisting on them. They seem more of a bad thing than good to me.

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Nijisanji still wants the chink market

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>>17352466
NijiJP and HoloJP can collab easily

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>>17333893
Vshojo is shit, but mouse is fine when she's isolated. However none of this boads well for the Queen of Cucks, Mori.

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>>17333893
Collabing with hololive gets the entire branch banned, pic related if Pomu had the collab with Kiara she would get the entirety of nijien kicked out of chinkland of bilibili
NijiEN is banning collabs for a reason

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>>17333893
chinksanji

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>>17333893
Why did mouse downgrade her model? The previous one was better.

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>>17352164
>calls her fanbase literal cucks
I would not say she outright said that and i still think the worse about this situation was her giving a trolls attention.
>What's rational is dumping your salary on supachats
Of course that ain't rational either but it is their money.

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>>17352435
>The only problem here is we haven't gone full throttle to remove her from Hololive
Nigga, how would you even do it?

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>>17352435
>Cover should've graduated her on the spot.
The year was getting up to such a great start too.. Yagoo was giving big attention to the EN branch, and then this shit happens. Complete regression in the Nippon overlord's esteem.

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>>17333893
>Why are NijiEN collabs banned
He says when Selen has played Apex with Froot and Zen, when Pomu and Nina played Deeprock the other day with Froot. When Roseti played that party game with Mouse just two days ago

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>>17353410
Why was the Ollie and Selen collab banned?

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>>17353442

>>17352591

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>>17353442
Oh the topic is about NijiEN and Hololive collabs?

My mistake I thought it was about NijiEN and Vshojo collabs

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>>17344138
Mouse and whore regularly pull 15k viewers on their streams.

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>>17333893
the most powerful collab ever

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>>17333893
>And Vshojo doesn't
Bruh, during this collab Ironmouse had much more views than Ms. Intestinal Gas.

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>>17333957
>>17337508
LOVERS

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Pink women bad

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>>17352591
Sister Claire has collabed with Hololive before and after this event. Debi too

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>>17355233
>regularly

lol

One outfit reveal stream does not an average viewer count make anon

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>>17333893
Because NijiEN management are the ones blocking it.

Seriously, it's the only explanation that makes sense at this pint.

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>>17372473
What's the logic behind that? Random NijiJPs can collab and even make new friends with HoloJP, same for ID. Why would the NijiEN management suddenly be different?

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>>17372647
I don't claim to know the real reasons behind it, but could be management are afraid of looking like they're leeching off holoEN or some manager just straight up doesn't like them for some reason, who knows.

The way Ollie/Selen situation went down makes it seem really unlikely to me that the holo side were the ones that killed it though.

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>>17348624
cant tell if senile oldfag, newfag troll, or hardcore chuuba simp.
don't we want lolcows to stick around?

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>>17372894
Sorry, I was assuming you were another troll. I guess it could be true, we can't really say for sure and even when collabs happen I doubt we'll ever know why it took so long

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it's pretty simple guys
hololive and nijisanji can collab as they please between branches, but one party is blocking any hololive branch from collabing with nijiEN

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>>17372473
>Seriously, it's the only explanation that makes sense at this pint.
How does it make more sense than HoloEN blocking it

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>>17374207
Mostly because Selen made it sound like things were all ready to go on the Ollie collab, and then all of a sudden out of nowhere they had to cancel. I think that indicates either

1) Ollie went full retard and gave Selen the go-ahead without even talking to her manager, and then had to backtrack.
2) Ollie got approval from her manager, but then some higher-up at Cover vetoed it.
3) Selen came back to her own manager after getting approval from Ollie, only to have her own manager block it.

Now I know a lot of people are going to go "well Ollie's a retard so obviously it was #1" but honestly I don't think she's THAT dumb, and even if she DID do a thing like that I think there's a good chance Cover just grudgingly lets it go through anyway because coming back to Anycolor after they already said they'd do the collab and saying actually you guys can fuck off is a massive middle finger to them and would look really unprofessional. Same deal for #2, and I sort of doubt anyone at the top cares THAT much to get involved, so #3 just kind of seems the most likely to me. Selen probably asked Ollie, Ollie said "yeah I'll talk to my manager", Ollie's manager said OK, Selen comes on stream assuming everything is fine now and tells her fans this thing is a go, only for her own manager to tell her it's not gonna happen.

Yeah it's all speculation but I think it's the most reasonable theory with the information we have...

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>>17333893
because nijiEN are chinks

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>>17374641
Selen has stated all her collabs are planned weeks in advance and go through management so that makes no sense.

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>>17334505
>>6743281
company full of bugs

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>>17333893
Because niji is an actual competitor

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>>17368927
its ok when nijiJP does it because their members aren't chinks

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>>17374641
i just see 0 reason for nijiEN management to block a holo collab, especially in this instance. selen rigorously plans all of her collabs and she seems to be able to collab with just about anybody, so it would be even more perplexing for her manager to stop this one

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>>17333893
Hololive and Nijisanji are in direct competition. They do not care about gaijin whore group except in the sense that if Nijisanji is leeching from them, hololive must also leech from them in order to not lose to nijisanji.

It's like how the USSR and USA were at butthurt with each other so no one noticed that Japan and China were rising really fast until the 1980s when Japan's GDP surpassed the USSR and the USA (briefly) and people thought east asia would take over the world.

But it turns out asians really like real estate scams. Evergrande meltdown (soon) (TM).

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>>17348414
>>17350536
>Maybe I'm wrong about this but I get the feeling that people aren't seething so much about pink cat anymore. She seems to take vtubing seriously and is mostly harmless these days. Veibae is still doing shitty things right now.
I agree with this 100%. Regardless of what you think about pink cat she seems to take vtubing more seriously and most of the issues with her are old shit. Fact is most people don't really care too much about what she's done when it's been so long especially when most viewers have such a short attention span.
Meanwhile a lot of issues with Vei has been much more recent and she's one of the laziest content creators out there. Unlike pink cat any issues with her are more recent and more fresh on people's mind.
Which is why I don't a pink cat and holo collab would not be as controversial as people here think while a Vei and holo collab attempt would definitely end up being a shitshow again.

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>>17378090
everyone’s probably overthinking it just let people collab eith whoever if kisra wants to collab eith nyan again let her sho cares except for 4chan people and gatekeepers

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>>17374855
Supposedly nijis might have some sort of collab involving fucking moistcr1tikal of all people possibly being planned.
Why the hell would nijis reject holo collabs if they're letting their members collab with people like him?

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>>17379763
>everyone’s probably overthinking
Accurate description of 90% of this board

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>>17379763
What the fuck is this post even trying to say? Are you having a stroke?

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>>17379872
yeah true im just here to enjoy some YouTube and twitch vtubers. its kinda sad to see how much everyone is dogpilling on calli tho

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>>17380117
woah clam down troon its 4Chan no need to get upset

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>Nijis are not allowed to collab with Hololive

The fuck is this rrat? JP sides collab all the fucking time. Stop trying to excuse HoloEN management being fucking faggots. This is on Omega and you know it. If any side was forbidden by high management they would not be allowed to talk on Twitter either and they do.

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>>17333893
Vshojo is on Twitch so they are not direct competition. NijiEN is. And they are stealing viewers every month. Lazulight pretty much doubled their previous records today. Rosemi who used to stream to 800 people now gets 3k. Where do you think those viewers came from?

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>>17346803
>yall
go back
turd

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>VShojo beggars demand collabs
>Holos actually start the collabs unaware of their constant pleas
Interdasting

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its quite easy
just spam omegatranny with "allow nijisanji EN collabs!"

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>>17381672
He's too busy vtweeting, playing ff xiv and pounding ame

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>>17333893
weak bait

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>>17380152
>its kinda sad to see how much everyone is dogpilling on calli tho
Let me explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNeva4uNf4Q

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>>17346441
Why do you think they are holokeks in the first place?

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>>17335932
When did HoloEN collab with someone in NijiID or JP?

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>>17345221
Uh huh, that's why Himawari visited Polka no Densetsu two times, it's a show with such a long history.

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>>17379766
market overlap mayhaps, remember in JP some Nijis pander to normiefags, and since the JPs directly oversees NijiEN operations, this is how they emulate that strategy for EN

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>>17333893
money

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bump

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>>17347345
>Petra.
>actual clipnigger
ok buddy haven't seen one thing bad about selen or pomu kys

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>>17380199
You're right it's probably better if you have permanent brain damage because someone might eventually stop you from posting more.

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Mori...

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>>17333893
Vshojo and Hololive aren't competing for the same viewers while Holo and Niji are. I think that's the most straight forward explanation and the one most likely to be true desu.