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ard

General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking
>https://youtubeliveen.soraweb.net/ex/バーチャルYouTuber

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/jwfivCFB

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>>17140324
>spam "okay Zhang" to Nijichads presenting valid arguments as to why Holo is reclining while Niji is inclining
>proven to be Zhangs
okay Zhang

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>drama settled down
>thread getting baits and offtopics
numberthread..... h-home.....

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Calli made 9000 usd this tream

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>>17141023
I'm going to *** you, dumb bitch

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>>17141222
Saviorfaggotry is always the strongest buff.
Not going to make any other judgement values beyond that, that's for bait and drama threads.

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>>17140957
Princess of 4chan?

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Are cuckposters not self aware enough to know that stating "Mori making money doesn't bother me I'm not mad" basically indicates that it does bother them?

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There are a couple of schizos here who doesn't believe that Vspo is inclining but here it is, Noah dominating everyone. Nijisanji has really stagnated as of late.

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>>17141318
that we can agree, EN is still way down on SC performance this month however.
Lets hope there would an EN chloe that would shamelessly farm SCs in the future.

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>>17141222
Just as planned

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>>17141490
Would you quit it and take it to one of the bait threads you braindead motherfucker?!
>>17141508
And you too. Stop it.

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reminder to not respond to the schizo
he'll go away by himself

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>>17141060
> valid argument
> when chart is showing Niji reclining for the past few months
Okay Zhang

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>>17141349
Prince*

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>>17141222
Also she has been getting 10K subs since then and reached 1.9 mil subs before collab.
Drama truly a buff if you play it right.

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>>17141537
45 streams... mayodog i fucking kneel

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>>17141537
Korone absolutely killed watchtime with that 24 hour stream
Her and Gura are the only ones in the top 10 with 30 hours streamed, everyone else has at least double that

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>>17141220
>thread getting baits and offtopics
So the usual thread

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>>17141648
YAGOO'S S rank luck strikes again

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Noah's numbers are so good lately. She's not even the most popular VSPO member.

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>>17141222
I deeply underestimated the levels of cuckery.

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>>17141222
Americans are cuckoldry addict anon what do you expect. Mori is quite open with her opinion on hating her workplace and coworkers especially after she tried so hard to defend her leech friend who also hates vtubers.

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>>17141537
Nakiri Ayame: num of streams 3
Ojou I fucking kneel

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>>17141349
>>17141630
>does the “opposite gender voice yab leading to graduation” gag

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>>17141762
You may get more people to care about them if you horny post.

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>>17141778
Cuckbeats can't stop winning

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So here is the run down on the big reveal last thread and all the stuff we figured out

>>17115246
https://note.com/anrimayura/n/nc313a6f5e28d

A link to this blog was posted and the blog is from a supposed chinese Hololive anti. The important think that is relevant to this thread that was posted in this blog is this as highlighted by this anon here >>17115610

>When Coco Kiryu graduated in July '21, HololiveReddit had 10,000-13,000 active users, but now it has at most 3,000-4,000, and the number of posts has dropped dramatically. On 4ch and other international forums, Chinese antagonists continue to engage in negative activities against Hololive and promote Niji EN, so Holo EN is being talked about less and less.
>4ch
>continue to engage in negative activities against Hololive and promote Niji EN

This is basically confirmation, straight from the mouths of one of the zhangs on the front line, that they are still really butt hurt by Hololive leaving China and backing Coco. Even though Coco eventually graduated they are still pissed off and have turned to using their energy to boost NijiEN to get back at Hololive instead. This is confirmation from one of their own that NijiEN shilling is done by zhangs so all the shit posters and catalog spammers that we deal with are most likely zhangs.

This also calls into question the success of Luxiem. Luxiem superchats are primarily from Taiwan which is where mainlanders are using their proxies from so that would support them getting massive Chinese backing. Also the fact that they get massive viewership inclines when streaming during time frames that are good for zhangs. The reason I think this theory might have some backing too it is due to the following

>low superchat debut streams
Compared to what they are getting now the superchat debut streams from Luxiem were modest. This leads me to believe that this was a zhang strategy that was just recently put into action
>low memberships on membership opening streams
Some kind anon hear scraped the chat of Luxiem's membership opening streams and found that they are only getting a little over 1,000 members which is lower than some of the NijiEN girls and much lower than HoloEN council. However, this makes sense when you consider they are getting their boosted by Chinese Hololive antis.

Just wanted to make sure this was out there and made it into the new thread so people can see what we are dealing with. Just stay safe out there and always be on the lookout for zhang infiltrators.

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>>17141508
Anon, it's 2022, and nijiniggers are still living in the 2019-2020. They won't accept VSPO inclines when They never accept Hololive inclines.

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>>17141537
Lamy inclining, mayorin also doing really well. had ccvid not happened at the beginning of the month, she could might as well be averaging 10k.

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>>17141802
Ayame beat 5/6 of the ID branch in watch time with only 3 streams. I KNEEL

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Sudden increase. What the hell happened?

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>>17141845
If zhang wheelbarrows count towards viewers then are they botting Luxiem?

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DAMN, I've noticed Nijisanji + friends have been dominating these early/noon JP hours.

Hololine seems to be reclining...

VSPO were smart to focus on APEX playing with Niji and the Emperor, it really seems that sticking together is the way to go.

Let's hope EN3 will do what EN2 failed to do for Hololive or things can turn ugly...

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>>17141802
She made $20k from those 3 streams lol, how the fuck does she do it?

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>>17141508
She's getting 4.4k on a karaoke at 1:30 in the afternoon? That's really good, I thought VSPO friends were only interested in apesex and the other shooty.

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>>17141938
Counter-shitposting shitposting is still shitposting

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>>17141938
There's the Zhang spy, get him

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>>17141537
>Blue Lamy 3rd
>Pink Lamy 6th
>Green Lamy 28th
What went wrong?

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>>17141537
>Reddit Duck has less AVG CCV and much less watch hours than Miko
What happened Reddit Duck shills. I thought you were saying she surpassed Miko. Haha, go fuck yourselves.

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>>17141938
Noah is doing a fucking singing stream and getting 5k? Fucking lol.

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>>17142003
They are also branching out to Minecraft and Ark and other fotm games. All in all, they're really doing well.

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>>17141730
and it was during ccvid. she could've broken 1M by the end of the month if not for that

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>>17141933
The HoloEN collab ended so she probably caught a bit of a funnel.

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>>17141508
I mean doesn’t the big hitters of Nijisanji stream at jp primetime? Plus Luca streamed at his usual time yesterday and broke 8k.

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>>17142003
VSPO kinda works like Towa / old Aqua does.
>Come to see a cute girl gamer tryhard and is at least competent at shooters
>Stay because you become a gachikoi and stick for the rest of their content
It's different from Hololive in that they don't have the idol vibe, which some people aren't into.

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>>17141845
It's been known that NijiEN fandom is filled with chinese since the start of the branch. Even their streamers are chinese. If NijiEN were to have a convention booth, it would be filled with chinese (if they decided to attend).

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>>17141537
playborad bros..

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>>17141845
Like I said, no matter what they do, Hololive already cemented a large mindshare in the Vtubing community. Even when they have low CCV these days especially EN, it's a no problems because their ceiling will always be high. Plus, HoloEN's ccv is modest now as compared to before. Hololive currently is playing safe and cruising. Well until Calli did an oopsie and fed antis.

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>>17141934
Its probably a combination of wheelbarrows and actual chinese viewers. Luxiem superchats are primarily from Taiwan which would support mainlanders donating to them under proxies just to make HoloEN look bad. However we know from their low membership openings that the zhangs boosting their viewership numbers aren't buying their memberships.

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>>17141731
honestly, it was significantly better just a few days ago when the shit storm just hit. However it could also be just because the entire rest of the board was just that bad in comparison

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>>17142243
A-at least we're not getting JP vs EN loops, r-right?

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>>17141508
I hope Beni gets a bump in viewers too. BENI SEX

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>>17142212
>ccv modest now
Stop ignoring the culling nijinnigger

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When you're losing even to the HoloID branch, I think it's time to hit the panic button. The problem with NijiEN is that they are isolated with the Nijisanji main branch. They couldn't get proper collabs with them.
Hololive on the other hand are very proactive with their collaboration. Just yesterday, we saw HoloID playing Ark with their seniors. I hope Niji management would stop restricting their talents and just allow them to mingle with each other.

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>>17142154
>Plus Luca streamed at his usual time yesterday and broke 8k.
Luca actually streams more in EN times like his stream today with Finana.

That's what makes his 7k stream last night so ridiculous.
He got his highest peak since his debut while streaming outside of his usual timeslot and during a split POV collab with Mysta.
The complete lack of manjisanjiJP these days means the boys get free pickings during JP times and some overlap in JP times > no overlap in NA times.
Honestly, there's no reason for Luxiem to stream in NA times at all if they want numbers.

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>>17142355
>there's no reason for Luxiem to stream in NA times at all if they want numbers
This, leave the NA times for the girls, JP + SEA is way better for the boys

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>>17142168
VSPO regularly has collabs with men, and some even pander to hetero shippers, they're nothing like Aqua
>>17142154
that guy is most active around this time specifically because it's when JP streams are starting but before when the actually popular Nijis are online

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>>17142355
Also supports the theory that they are being boosted by zhangs during that time slot.

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>>17142355
sea-sanji...

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>>17142355
What makes it so insane is that we have HoloEN members who jump around time slots too and they don't see anywhere close to as significant a viewership discrepancy. In the last week, for example, Bae has streamed during NA prime time, EU prime time, and JP prime time.
She got about the same viewership during all time slots which a slight boost during JP prime time because it was a karaoke stream and she is a really good singer.

I'm starting to believe in the zhang boosting theory presented by certain anons.

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>>17142352
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-oQmuzzl3s

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>>17142212
I hope she learned to not to interact to people who openly hates her workplace and coworkers as her vtuber persona.

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>>17142431
Forgot to add that Asian women pay way more than NA women.
Compare the SCs that Ike and Vox get when they stream in JP/SEA times vs NA times and it's night and day.
The rrat that Luxiem streaming in SEA times was bad because only poor SEAniggers would watch them died so quickly once it was obviously not the case.

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>>17142243
nah it was better. hell the thread was also clearly way way slower during the shitstorm outside.

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Watching Noah's phenomenal growth is quite a treat.
VSPOs and Holos like Towa should be used as a case study for growing talents that could interact with men. I think the main killer for Niji females really is that they are seen as accessories, which is quite sad since they don't deserve such distinction.

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https://twitter.com/murasakishionch/status/1486145269368442883
Can Shion get gold today? Seems like an uneventful day

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>>17142514
I blame their marketing department for this. They should target the EN audience instead of the ID one.

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>>17142681
Their superchats are from taiwan, not Japan or SEA nations. Chinese are donating to boost them because they are Hololive antis.

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>>17142596
regardless of the nation/origin of the viewers, i wouldn't think any less of the number that the streamer could achieve.
I mean, it's not like we were discounting FBK or Coco's numbers when bots are obviously propping them up right.

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>>17142681
Even now this thread parrots the SEA thing because they wanted it to be true for the memes when it's clear from one look at their sidebar that the vast majority of their money at least comes from Taiwan/HK/Japan

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https://twitter.com/minatoaqua/status/1486197688282402817

Akutan doing apex today.

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>>17142798
I don't see how giving 5 guys a few tens of thousands of dollars does literally anything to hololive at all. The theory is really fucking dumb.

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>>17142827
It comes from mainlanders using Taiwan proxies. They are boosting Luxiem as part of an anti Hololive campaign.

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Youtube?? 18k views????

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Also it's fucking hilarious that Holofags are using the cope that Luxiem's Asian viewers somehow don't count after years of Nijifags claiming that Hololive's numbers don't count because it's all foreigners

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>>17142869
I hope she streams at late afternoon and not prime time.

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>>17142787
Anon, the ID audience is the one that watches. Luxiem streams have mostly all been below 5k when they stream in NA friendly times, whereas every stream in SEA/JP friendly time has been above 5k I believe.

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>>17142871
it's one guy spamming and samefagging, of course it's dumb

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>>17142596
It's because of overlap and competition.
When Bae streams in JP times, she's competing with HoloJPs during primetime so ofc she won't get a crazy number.
Haachama is fucked hard by CCVID, but Bae managing to get 8.6k for that collab was already eye-popping considering the overlap.
EU doesn't like Bae and her numbers have never been good in that slot, even when she had her debut buff.

Luxiem usually streams from afternoon JP times to prime time JP and there's literally no competition at all from other notable Nijis.
Manjisanji barely streams these days so Luca and Mysta had the entire 7pm-9pm JST timeslot to themselves last night.
Kuzuha starts streaming so late now that even when they do finally overlap, Luxiem is already winding down.
It's even better for them now that half of Manjisanji got fucked by covid too.

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>jap fujos
>chinks using taiwan proxies
Hence their views not culled

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>>17142871
They learned that they can't destroy Hololive directly since their wheelbarrows have done nothing to Fubuki. Now they have decided to pivot and are boosting Hololive's competition. Boosting the competition is guerilla marketing 101.

They boost the competition to better numbers than they should have. Then they use that information to spam message boards (such as here and Reddit) about how much better Luxiem is doing in comparison to HoloEN. Just wait for the January superchat information to come out and you will see the zhangs all over the place using this information. This thread will be spammed, the catalog will be spammed, it will be on reddit, etc.

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>>17142926
Apex is a tourist game. Not going impact hololive views at all.

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>>17142514
holosea...

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>>17142827
that isn't mutually exclusive though.
If ayamy can get hundred of thousands of yen with 2 digit ccv, then luxiem could also get the sc they got while also having a significantly large part of their audience being SEA. checking out their chats and comments might be a better indicator in this case considering at least we can outrule english viewers as NA/EU due to the lack of SC in their currencies

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>>17142959
That's why it's a failure on the marketing side. What Nijisanji lacks are streamers that could rope in the EN audience. They already have a strong roster that targets the seanings/nips.

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>>17142923
I count them but it's funny to me too. A view is a view. NijiEN males and HoloEN aren't even the same market and if one disappeared from the face of the earth one day the other wouldn't gain any viewership.

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>>17141268
uWu

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>>17142617
>>17142352
holy btfo

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>>17143134

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A huge collaboration including Nina, Millie and Elira is struggling to beat a lone Holo zombie.
You guys think Millie regrets her decision to not join the HoloID branch?

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>Gura schedules GTA and Bully on the same day
>Bully during dogshit EU slot
why would she waste a buff game like this...

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>>17143039
It's not mutually exclusive, but the point is, many anons in these threads were dismissing their JP/SEA time numbers and saying they were screwed because only poor SEA people are watching them.
In reality, the people watching them aren't poor at all since they're getting thousands of SC on regular streams too when they stream in those times.

I don't care what demographic or population is watching what, numbers are numbers.
It's just funny that all the doomposting about how they weren't going to make money for streaming in JP/SEA times got dismantled quickly.

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>>17141934
Could be. I mean just look at FBK chinkbots. Shits are counted by YT while the real accounts are flagged

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>>17142999
not even a direct competition since luxiem are homos

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>>17142999
NijiEN males aren't Hololive's competition. Only schizos and industry "experts" in these threads that compare raw numbers to raw numbers think that they have anything to do with each other.
>about how much better Luxiem is doing in comparison to HoloEN
Literally anywhere but this thread has people out to lynch your ass for making comparisons like that. Just because people pick shit up from these threads and spam the catalogue that doesn't mean they are the means to some grand design.

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> Americans are cuckoldry addict anon what do you expect. Mori is quite open with her opinion on hating her workplace and coworkers especially after she tried so hard to defend her leech friend who also hates vtubers.

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>>17142619
Why would she, she earned more money in one stream after that drama than she did in an entire month

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>>17143178
Go Seffyna! She's super cute and sweet. Probably x5 her normal viewership

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> I deeply underestimated the levels of cuckery.

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jesas

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>>17142243
Why are jannies and meidos always ignored this thread? I've report some shit for over 10x on a 24h period and always ignored

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>>17143178
Seffyna would be lucky to get 130 viewers on a good day.
This is 10x her numbers.

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>>17143040
the mutts are conditioned to watch ONLY hololive and nothing will change that

there is nothing wrong with Luxiem targeting the JP/CN/TW/SEA audience especially since the whole "targetting poorfag SEA girls will not make them money" was proven wrong since they're always around the top in the daily superchat rankings.

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VSPO is just so dominant at this hour. I think Nijisanji has to put someone alongside Elu in order to field a stronger front at this hours.

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> Cuckbeats can't stop winning

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the cuckbeats is at it again spamming wojaks. Their desperation is pathetic as it's hilarious

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>>17143178
that's literally 10 times the viewership she gets, holotourist

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>>17142999
I doubt it'd make a dent. They can't do it for long period of time. HoloEN already dominated for more than a year and cement themselves to be the biggest vtuber company in the world. They'll debut StarsEN and more people than Luxiem's debut would still watch them.

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> the cuckbeats is at it again spamming wojaks. Their desperation is pathetic as it's hilarious

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This thread has been infected.

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>>17143474
Just report them.

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> This thread has been infected.

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>>17143236
fair enough, although the problem with the 'inaccurate' target audience is less about SCs or merch sales. its a lot more about business/marketing strategy. When X targets a specific audience or region for a product or service, it is detrimental if said product aren't popular with the target audience despite being popular with the non-targeted audience.
This is also why people discourage foreigners from exporting anime merchs/BDs straight from JP and instead should go to their proper channels regardless of availability.
Although I can see that ventures such as Niji is less affected from this due to presumably less shared interest.

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What report is wojak under? Low quality post?

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No Chloe stream for two days now and no indication of one today, now she's pulled out of the Pokemon tournament too... I really hope this doesn't kill her momentum too much, this whole thing really came at an awful time for her

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Holy fuck jannies that was fast, thank you

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>>17142242
Think of all the SCs they have gotten combined. It's in the $150k-$250k range. You really think the chinese are pumping 6 figures into something just to make HoloEN look bad to the few that actually track these numbers 8 months after NijiEN was created? And your evidence is a schizo anti who declares the death of Hololive at least weekly that has been wrong every time he's opened his mouth?

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>>17143309
if she still has some sort of conscience or empathy towards her coworkers (which I really doubt but she's still a human), she will try to not to disturb her coworkers any further by doing something that will make people angry.
She might get numbers because of the rampant censorship from people who conveniently ignored the real issue. It's not sustainable for her and her coworkers to keep doing something like this.

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kek chinks still mad superior west cucked them on their chuubas

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>>17142969
So it seems like Luxiem is doing Manjisanji's job streaming for JP and SEA fujos when they are out because of Covid. It's currently good for them but Luxiem still have to expanding their viewerbase outside SEA timezone or both side is gonna eating up each other.

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>>17143624
Fucking finally! Jannies actually doing their job

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>>17142923
It is counted. It is also an untapped market. Just not the western market as many would expect

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Extremely worrying. She hasnt done a normal stream outside of ccvid period. Her last SC reading only got 2k, she may drop below Lui for CCVs.

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>>17143636
All they need to pump is a few hundreds every streams and the real fans would follow. They don't need to pour thousands every stream just to prove a point. Just need to agitate a reaction.

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>>17143636
I don't think the SCs are from antis, that's probably going a bit ok far.
The constant ops pushing the guys here though and on the subreddits? Definitely a case of just a few antis working the way these things usually do. Especially here, it doesn't take a whole lot to get the rest of the resident shitposters to go along with things.

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>>17143686
If her "coworkers" had any problem with what she did then they would not have invited her to play Terraria.

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>>17143566
I'm no marketing expert but that seems retarded, they're doing far better than almost everyone expected and I really don't see the difference if that comes from Taiwan or burgerland

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The indies alongside Noah are just absolutely dominating. Even Kanon is performing way better than the Niji females. I think Nijisanji really fucked up their branding on this one.

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>>17143766
>Playing X-game With Muh Friends
Has always been mori's get away card

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>>17143309
>she earned more money in one stream after that drama than she did in an entire month
anonchama please.

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>>17143812
It seems like Kanon've been bounce back huh? What happened recently for her to incline again?

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>>17143766
have you seen the collab today? It's fucking awkward as shit. It's good that her coworkers still treat her like friend even though she herself does not give a shit about them and prefer to play with her disgusting ecelebs and vwhores.

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>>17143593
It really did. Things were looking great for her but her life is kinda falling apart. Hopefully she finds a groove and maybe some friends since being a friendless NEET might not be a LARP. Does she have a replacement for the tourney?

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I applaud the Zhang's dedication to smear Hololive and prop their competitor up, but it all feels useless, degenerate thing to do. Like, that time and effort should've been used for better things than argue about anime streamers.

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>>17143636
>>17143744
They literally pumped 100k+ into 2 or 3 Bilibili vtubers in a month as a show of force on the month HoloCN all graduated.

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>>17143812
The death of Apex has been greatly exaggerated.

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>>17143766
You don't get it? Always circle the wagons. It doesn't matter if Mori brought all of this on herself and doesn't buy into the family, still be family. That is the strength hole the holo box.

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Selen has started another gimmicky stream. Though it may give her some numbers, it's going to be temporary.

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>>17143023
>shows a map where america and Australia are trending

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>>17143872
Not sure of the exact timing but she got a new model fairly recently that looks really good

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Selen poll 3.5K+ in a 3 minute poll with 2.4K viewerrs

thanks Susan

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this is all the data you need

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>>17144044
Please be patient, he's a nijinigger

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>>17144097
Selen is fucking dumb. She did it way too early. Should have waited a couple more minutes before running a poll.

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>>17144097
4K votes in 5 minutes while viewers still at 2.5K
Selen...

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>>17144039
Needy streamer overload became true. They'll rely on sexy kind of streams to profit to pay rent. I've seen a lot of ASMR, Good night chat, Good morning chat, soft free talk sessions in the past two weeks from nijiEN than the past year from HoloEN kek

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>>17143872
She seems to get a lot of events for a literal who, somebody behind the scenes are pulling the strings to shill her hard. It's like with uto and hal.

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>>17143566
> When X targets a specific audience or region for a product or service, it is detrimental if said product aren't popular with the target audience despite being popular with the non-targeted audience.
Hololive literally proved this isn't a big deal when they were arguably more popular in China and then the west than they were in Japan at one point.
It's not even like Nijisanji is an American company trying to appeal to Americans and accidentally appealing to poor Africans and Indians.

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>>17144039
Holocoep
You're just mad that Holos are lazy and not LA CREATIVIDAD enough to think of making streams like these

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>>17143812
Whats up with all the Niji doomposting just because VSPO are getting good numbers?

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>>17144097
GET SCREENSHOTS YOU DUMB CUNT

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>>17143636
For a short term OP sure I would expect them to do that. You have to understand that the EN chuuba audience is very niche and is heavily concentrated at places like this, Reddit, Twitter, etc. You boost them up for a bit and then take that information to the above places and talk about how Hololive is dead and in decline. This starts to sow the seeds of doubt among the more impressionable fans and mission accomplished.

As for why they didn't do it before with the NijiEN girls, well, enter CCVID. The NijiEN males have never once been culled a single bit while HoloEN is getting culled out the ass. The zhangs use this as the catalyst to start their operation since the viewership now looks closer than it ever did before.

Really makes me hope that Susan fixes that shit soon.

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>>17143954
The Nijiniggers way of shilling their talents are always by throwing dirt to others. They even have a chuuba who compared Mito vs Kizuna Ai back in their heyday. You can understand why their culture has always been shit

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>>17144097
nijiniggers and not posting screenshots, name a more iconic duo

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>>17143872
Her new model is just so fucking cute and expressive. I honestly find it better than Elu's.

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>>17144056
Ah shit right! Her new model was went viral. And honestly, it was cute and really good.

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>>17143490
Lol HolostarsEN wont be more successful than Luxiem, Holo is big for girls vtubers only

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>>17144249
It's ONE faggot who's pushing it.
I think it's good VSPO is doing well, but to then use that to shitpost against Nijisanji constantly is getting tiring to see.
>>17144257
This. You absolute faggots, did you not learn anything? SCREENSHOT ZE POLLS

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>>17144301

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>>17144249
It's literally one guy.
He types the same way every time and people ignore his bait and talk around him.

[Anonymous No.]

As a spic and a numbfag i decided to investigate the retarded nuckles vtuber to see why the fuck he inclined so fast. This fucker is more vtuber than most indies. Was a 2view irl streamer, went to facebook , inclined cus of some ticktock, came back with a lore video why he was a vtuber now and now doesnt acknowledge his past self. North Mexican who knows enough english so he attracts the chicanos too.

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>>17144407
Susan off by 2x, let's gooo

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>>17144146
Yeah, I was surprised the guerilla "Ministry" collab did so well too compared to the planned Terraria collab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144407
>6 minutes ago
In the trash it goes

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144407
>started streaming 6 minutes ago
>poll is 5 min ago
Are you fucking retarded? Learn to numberfag, you moron.

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>>17144363
This, for a numbers thread, people here don't understand how demographics and market works.

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>>17144466
not really, we still have a chance if this stream doesn't pass 4.2k viewers

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>>17144407
Thank christ she doesn't have LoL fans.

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>>17144466
Poll was taken at 5 minutes ago. The 6 minutes is when the stream started.

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>>17143963
What happened to those vtubers now?

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>>17144517
ASoul is the biggest Vtuber company in Bilibili now so I'd say their plan worked wonders

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>>17144483
??? I tuned into the stream right before she put the poll up

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgEsyuN8oKY
>274k VOD views , 1:18:00 hour duration, 17k peak
Still early, but this could get 350-400k views by 24 hours.
CCV fuckery is pretty obvious, but the VOD views and clip views will be good.

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>>17144363
>>17144494
I've seen and heard this a lot before Myth debuted. You all cry that EN girls would fail but 60k people out of the blue still watched them at 5AM JST. Less nips, less SEAs, More westerners. The least I can expect is 30k for each of the StarsEN debuts. Even ID2 were in a better position that all of NijiEN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143963
This

Pumping money into something they want to boost has been a zhang strategy for a while. Adds more validity to the Luxiem issue of zhang boosting.

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>>17144445

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>>17144572
>biggest
Asoul only worked because there's no other competitors for them after Hololive went out

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>>17143963
>>17143954
why do holo fans think this, americans can not see anything doing better than their favorite thing they get mad, you call chinese people brainwashed but you are the same thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144517
Hiseki Erio's Youtube channel is pretty much dead but I think she got invited into Bilibili yearly concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144678
>ESL post
Ok zhang

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>>17143954
>>17144607
Damn other generals were talking about /#/ coping hardcore but this is just hilarious. You sound like bugs right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17141845
I mean, if pissing money away at NijiEN males satisfies the bugs, good for them.

I hope I see the day Luxiem and the likes reach out for Holo collabs, just to see the seething.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144736
>ignore the obvious evidence
>insult
Classic deflection strategy. Good job zhang.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144678
>>17144736
Smell of a bug

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>>17144644
>no other competitors
>VirtualReal
lol

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>>17144363
Nah, HolostarsEN won't be successful because Luxiem already gets the first mover buff.
If HolostarsEN is debuted first, I can see they can have a chance to be successful

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144789
Why would Luxiem reach out for a Holo collab? Girls are a debuff for Luxiem.

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>>17144738
>>17144789
>>17144791
>>17144792
holy cope, just kill yourselves

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>>17144594
Holofags don't watch males, not even the cucks on leddit begging for more homo collabs with the girls. All of them except Roberu and Astel struggle to get to 500 CCV, what makes you think EN homos would be any different?

[Anonymous No.]

While not everything is an op, the pushing of NijiEN by a few holo-antis does have enough evidence for me to mark it as 'plausible'. Most likely a case of just a few needles here and there and letting mob mentality take care of the rest.
I think assuming that Luxiem is being propped up by a CN OP SC wise is going a bit too far without more evidence though.

[Anonymous No.]

>VSPO stream and Lize's stream both over 2 hours long and have much higher peaks.
>60k less VOD views already before Ministry stream is even finished processing
HoloEN's CCV is so fucked. That's all we need to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144852
anon, don't bother, holobronies can only deflect calling everyone a "zhang" since the Coco thing, they literally can use their brain to say something different

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>>17144910
>VOD cope
ngmi...

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>>17144888
Yes because /vt/ bait threads hold a shit ton of audience sway and are encouraging people with HK and Yen donations to pump money into Luxiem. Very sane conclusion to come to in the factual numbers thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn, Choco is not contesting Nui's time slot.
Meanwhile, Elu's viewership took a dip due to overlaps. Although Choco is not a strong Apex streamer, at her best content she could rival the likes of Ange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144943
What's your explanation then, retard?
People just flooding in to watch the VOD in the past 4 hours?

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>>17144844
>>17144871
There's more people watching a genderbend council VOD in a few hours than the highest viewed VOD of Luxiem (debuts) and it's still rising

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144910
It's the clippers adding to the views

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>>17144981
That VOD is a useless metric and CCV and SC are the only metrics that matters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144981
tourists that watch vods but not streams

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>>17144910
Yep and this is why the zhangs are doing their boosting strategy now as opposed to doing it earlier with the NijiEN girls. CCVID does a lot of their work for them by making HoloEN appear weaker. We know that isn't the case but not everybody is doing a deep dive into the numbers like we are.

[Anonymous No.]

>zhangs deflecting and defending themselves from people finding out their operations
made me kek

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>>17144943
ZHANG ALERT ZHANG ALERT

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>>17144953
I'm actually surprised Choco's cooking stream is doing so well. They rarely did over 2k before.

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>>17145018
Retard, Cover only shills VOD views and sponsorship deals dwarf what they get from SCs.

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>>17144981
>VOD processing
>actual VOD views
Not as stupid as using likes to extrapolate CCV but still stupid.

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>>17145031

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>>17145058
for the 10th consecutive times, I fail to see why zhangs would boos the nijiEN males, I literally don't know why you want to give them credit for that

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>>17142352
It's not even sub four digit viewers. Riemu is more of a panic button to not add another female wave so soon. It's amazing how out of touch people are when it comes to viewing what a successful streamer is. There are people that have full time streamed for years and they get anywhere from 900~1,800 viewers on average. It's slow to build up from scratch and you can live off a lot less viewers than what others think in this thread. This is discounting how more frequently people tip vtubers compared to streamers that are triple digit viewers and higher. Even someone like Nene from a small corpo that has never hit 1k+ viewers made a decent amount of money within a month in regards of streamlabs and superchats that she is moving to full time this year. This is discounting her voice pack and other merchandise sales.

[Anonymous No.]

WTF? the amount of ESL postings are staggering now compared to yesterday, is it a zhang raid or some SEAchink discord operation?

[Anonymous No.]

>zhang zhang zhang
you sound like a broken record

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>>17145073
not a lot of overlaps definitely helps. Also live tls.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh joy we're going to spend the next week calling each other zhangs aren't we

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>>17145144
Yeah Axie is low so they need some sort of income/timewaster, so chinkisanji to the rescue

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>>17145092
Are you like fucking retarded or something?
The top 2 VODs have been processed for much longer (17 hours) and are already 60k behind Council collab's VOD views, which hasn't finished processing yet(5 hours).
They're not going to catch up even after all the views are processed.

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>>17145058
you still have no proof, what make you do statements like that

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>>17145102
Their debuts being so close to the CCVID pandemic made it the perfect opportunity for the zhangs. Even when CCVID was at its height the NijiEN males were never affected. Even to this day they aren't affected while HoloEN is getting fucked in the ass by CCVID. This makes the viewership appear a lot closer than it probably actually is. The perfect opportunity for the zhangs to start a disinformation campaign.

Now you know why we have so many faggots in here who still deny CCVID despite the mountains of evidence posted of it happening. They want you to think its gone.

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>>17144945
All I'm advocating for is to gather evidence and stop jumping at shadows. If you have a theory, it needs to be backed by more than just assumptions alone.
Here are the facts
>There are Holo-Antis, with many of them being zhangs.
>They do indeed push NijiEN here and on reddit as a way of trying to discredit HoloEN, based on one bloke stupidly saying that he's Chinese, and from the fact that we still get zhangs visiting here to this day.
>Luxiem has very high SC amounts from JP/TW/HK
Jumping from these points to "Luxiem is being boosted as an op against Hololive" without sufficient evidence is going to get you called a paranoid coping schizo, because it lacks sufficient grounding.

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>>17145183
It's just the same 2 seaniggers, one calling the other a zhang

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>>17145102
Read the previous thread. They still hated Coco/FBK and failed to bring down Hololive using FBK, so they're using Luxiem to bring Hololive down. Of course, it won't work.

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>>17143040
What is the EN audience? What does EN mean? It isn't Nijisanji NA (North America), it is Nijisanji EN (English). Cope with it how ever you want, but there are plenty of places in the world that speak English that aren't USA and Canada. Just because the USA tends to be more monolingual with its native population doesn't mean the rest of the world is like that.

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>>17144848
It's more the Almighty Mori will reach out to Luxiem for a collab

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>>17145092
But thats exactly the point. 6hours vs 18hours ago... so even without fully processing it still beats the others with half the duration and much less CCV.

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>>17145144
it's just one guy, the niji anti/vspo intern guy
just ignore him

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>>17145194
Point is there's a lot of shit to factor in when comparing VODs and there's no way to tell apart CCV views from actual VOD views
What you're doing is essentially comparing VOD views which is not the point

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>>17145222
>>They do indeed push NijiEN here and on reddit as a way of trying to discredit HoloEN, based on one bloke stupidly saying that he's Chinese, and from the fact that we still get zhangs visiting here to this day.
I didn't know anons had this much sway over Luxiem's earnings. Care to show anything that correlates anonymous threads to their earnings? Should I also believe the people who made threads saying Mori got forced on hiatus or that ___ is a Gura Killer?

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>>17145211
But why didn't the zhangs give support to the NijiEN girls even before CCVID?

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>>17144826
They are looking for the idol experience, not a company famous for their offpako controversy between staff and streamers.

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>>17145222
And how are we gonna gather evidence, this thread is already filled with them. The moment we have a lead on something, they'll hide like the bugs they are. They'll just disprove every reasonable facts or leads here to buy time to clean it properly.

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>>17145211
>Their debuts being so close to the CCVID pandemic made it the perfect opportunity for the zhangs
false, the perfect opportunity was when Coco left and they could've said that people just switched to nijisanji
>Even when CCVID was at its height the NijiEN males were never affected
and they weren't boosted on that timeframe, they were still below every EN, the only ones that saw their viewership in half were the JPs
>This makes the viewership appear a lot closer than it probably actually is.
not really, if they were doing it, they would do it with the female nijis that are directly competing with the female holos
>Now you know why we have so many faggots in here who still deny CCVID despite the mountains of evidence posted of it happening.
the only ones denying it are legit trolls that can only reply "zhang" in every post, what do you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

Honestly the best time to come to this thread is on JP prime time, even the nijifags are fun to be around.

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>>17145300
They don't correlate, thats a dumb take. It’s not about the money, it's more the relentless catalog spam and the non stop NijiEN shilling within those threads. They likely have been here trashing Holo and promoting Niji long before Luxiem even existed which would explain the disparity between their audience size and presence here.

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>>17145211
this must be the dumbest shit i read in my life

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>>17145365
>the perfect opportunity was when Coco left
actually, if they wanted to do it they would have done it on nijiEN debut, they have what, 3 waves already? why wait until the males (that are not competing against holos in any metric)
zhangs really live rent free on holobronnie's head

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>>17145300
Just look up hiseki erio on reddit and warosu.

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>>17145280
Again, what is the explanation then in this case?
The Council stream is much fresher and less processed than the other two, yet it has much more views despite much lower CCV and being half the duration.
If the VOD is a few days old and goes viral, then sure, but this one isn't even been 6 hours old yet.

No one is extrapolating what the Council CCV could be. Youtube doesn't even track CCV so it doesn't matter once the stream is over.
The point is the number shown (17k) is obviously bullshit and anyone shitposting with it is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

This is really surprising. A random Choco stream is casually destroying Nui's signature content.

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>>17144407
God please tweet this at youtube

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>>17145475
Council is likely the most affected of HoloEN right now thanks to that goddamned relay they did causing a large number of their fans getting flagged. Again.
Regardless, there is NOTHING anyone can do unless they all start throwing up polls that people can then throw @TeamYT

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>>17145478
>casually destroying
>3 viewers
I laughed.

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>>17145365
The funniest part of this is that Luxiem targets an audience that is more unique to their niche than leeching off of Hololive. How would they be the ones to btfo Hololive when someone who watches vtubers for the cute girl experience would watch Hololive, over Luxiem which is the twitchfag experience? Usually schizoposts have some inkling of coherence but this one is so absurd and ignorant of any facts posted ITT that I'm going to turn schizo myself and blame it on a raid.
>>17145418
>that's a dumb take
Then what is with posts like this >>17144607 being shilled hardcore in here? It's obvious to see they're being shilled/shitposted in the catalog. No one is arguing that there aren't anti-Holofag Luxiemfags, of course this retarded board will foster tribalists, that's the entire premise of this general (no it was never purely about numbers)
>>17145459
I forgot Luxiem personally streams on Bilibili.

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>>17145339
Because CCVID affecting HoloEN and not affecting NijiEN males gives them the perfect opportunity for their disinformation campaign.

They didn't jump on the girls before because the disparity was too big. Well, I should say they didn't jump on them financially due to that. They still spammed this place with them. The current wave of CCVID not affecting the males though prompted them to support them financially via superchats. Look where the superchats are coming from.......Taiwan.........mainlanders using proxies. It all makes sense.

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>>17145475
We know ccvid exist for holoen and nijien cept for homos anon

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>>17145475
Only shitposters are denying that they're screwed over, but using the wrong metrics to try and prove that they're screwed over is just... wrong.
Mind you that was all of Council with a gimmick on Kronii's channel against Lize pulling for some goat chick and a company wide collab for fucking VSPO

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>>17145565
you sound like a broken recorder

[Anonymous No.]

Boy it sure smells like bat soup in here

[Anonymous No.]

This vod comparison is just weird its like comparing apples to orange. What will get more views.

For example

Gen 3 host club with 70k ccv
Or
Pekora FF10 with 70k ccv

The answer is pretty easy even with the same ccv no? Easily the host club. The gimmick and meme factor will easily generate more views.

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>>17145594
I get it, zhangs are living rent free, now please go >>>/pol/ to talk about it, you are obsessed with them

[Anonymous No.]

Chinkmaple don't you have a reddit to run instead of shitposting here?

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if the anon who posted the original blog post realized the absolute shit storm that would come soon after due to it. Not gonna lie, I'm laughing my ass off at the whole situation.

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>>17145642
I can say the same

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>>17145565
So what you're saying is the Chinese mafia saw 5 twinks getting 10k doing random shit and decided to only give them money out of everyone else on the platform because anons made threads about how based Luxiem is? Help me understand.

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>>17145610
Eh, a 1 hour gen 3 host club would have less VOD views than a 6 hours Pekora FFX stream after 6 hours from both streams ending I think.

[Anonymous No.]

Holos and friends dominating since Eastern prime time.

[Anonymous No.]

This is really surprising. Nijisanji seems to be dominating this timeslot.
I wonder what can Hololive do to reverse things because even NijiEN seems to be pulling ahead of HoloJP these days.

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>>17145725
hololive is declining so holofags are coping by making schizo theories about chinese boosting niji

[Anonymous No.]

Well since chink discussions are here, might actually post this. Nousagi in china political party kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145725
All they have to do is stream. They better bring out another generation before summer so they can have more potential people to stream so short streams and breaks from other Holos won't result in huge dead hours gaps.

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>>17145796
How do you even know wtf this is or where to find it.

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>>17145725
Towa's at 4.3k now anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145796
>holobronies coping that nijiEN is getting money because of the zhangs
>the zhangs are actually boosting holoJP
I raph

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145725
Counter-shitposting shitposting is still shitposting
End yourself right fucking now

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144594
StarsEN debut wont even get 30K because Holofans wont watch males and StarsJP doesnt have enough fans to buff their EN brothers (not like Luxiem which is supported by their NijiJP brothers' fans)

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>>17145579
>using the wrong metrics to try and prove that they're screwed over is just... wrong.
You lost me, what is wrong with using fresh VODs in this instance? I'm not picking examples from 3 weeks ago.
The point of this is proving there's no way Council collab's CCV was that low considering 2 VODs with more time, longer duration, and much higher CCV have lower views than it in 5 hours.

>>17145610
Obviously, and the host club stream will continue to grow more too.
That's not the example right now.
In this example, the host club stream has half the CCV, half the duration, and less processing, yet it already has more views in 5 hours of the stream ending.

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>>17145701
I highly doubt it.

[Anonymous No.]

As much as this nigger needs to take his meds I will admit the thought of a bunch of NGA users superchatting the fags saying please give me a goodnight kiss daddy as "Vox's cocksleeve" to own Hololive is pretty fucking hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145808
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

this poll >>17144407 lines up perfectly with this CCV >>17145725

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145725
Is more like the usual ones who would stream in this slot are either OUT (IRyS) or streamed earlier today (Bae, Mori, Ame).

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus. Towa is contesting Nui's time slot. Towa and her buddy is so strong right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145870
Took an hour to get to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144980
yes it's genderbend HOLOLIVE, a gimmick stream. Still hololive, not stars. People inside are still female and seeing female trying to act like male is a gimmick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145918
nice cope

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>>17145851
If they both had 70k CCV average? FFX would definitely have more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145725
it's a tradition at this point someone who post some tribalist shit like this will get BTFO'd

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145725
Oops

[Anonymous No.]

Towa is really smart. She avoided Aqua and moved down earlier than her normal streaming hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145725

>because even NijiEN seems to be pulling ahead of HoloJP these days.
>random Towa stream @ 5.5k

kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145870
Yes, 100% participation is normal anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145887
I remember when Towa Apex streams would be lucky to get 3k peak viewers. Now she hits that within a few minutes of the stream popping up. Did she pick up Apex tourists from her tourneys or did kenzokus finally bite the bullet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144980
That's not true (yet), maybe in 1-2 days.
Ike's first karaoke is the most watched Luxiem VOD now. It almost has double the views of his debut. Women are rewatching the shit out of it.
>371k views

[Anonymous No.]

No gimmicks, just hard work. Selen should learn a thing or two from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17144980
Because they are genderbend of the girls? Not "real males"? The ones who watch the VOD are the fans of Council, I doubt those people will watch StarsEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146012
Probably because Hayato Kagami tweeted it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145475
>Youtube doesn't even track CCV so it doesn't matter once the stream is over.
YouTube DOES track CCV; they can correct the CCV in your analytics page for a reason. They just do not use it for payouts to creators, since their preferred metric is watch time and ad impressions, which they can get from everyone irrespective of content type and delivery method.

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>>17145693
I'll go as slow as possible to help you understand. The boosting didn't start until around the time Mysta got that 10k stream that everybody on here was freaking out about. If you noticed this was around the time they all starting hitting that number and even fucking Ike who was disregarded hit 20k with a karaoke. This is important so remember it for later.

Once that 10k stream happened the zhangs jumped into action. That stream also correlates pretty well with their superchats suddenly getting a massive increase. All of them had superchat debut streams and their earnings were not very good in those streams. We now from the past that superchat debuts are a pretty good way to predict future earnings. Luxiem however exploded in superchats well after their mediocre superchat debuts and it all goes back to that 10k stream from Mysta. Now the zhangs were boosting the other members and now Vox was hitting 10k and Ike hit 20k thanks to zhang boosting and the superchat numbers were sky rocketing.

A good way to see that these numbers are not legit is to look at 2 factors.

>Viewership outside of zhang hours
To put it simply when the zhangs aren't awake the viewership for Luxiem absolutely plummets as does their superchat earnings.
>Mediocre membership openings
The zhangs boosting them aren't actually fans of them so they probably aren't going to opt into their membership. Luxiem had lower membership streams than a lot of the NijiEN girls and got absolutely crushed by HoloEN council. This tells me that the ratio of actual fans to boosting zhangs is quite small. There are a lot more zhangs in their streams boosting their numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145976
5.8k now and still climbing fast. Typical Nijifags

>let's get the live viewers now while Towa just started her stream, and shitpost that Niji is dominating this timeslot

oof

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145940

I dont have the ccv data for the host club but lets use Sister marine(holoX) vod views with 70k+ compared to Pekora FF10 vod views. Which one do you think have more views?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145851
if a 6 hour VOD has 70k CCV average, we're talking about a 1 mil view VOD by the end of the day lmfao.
Rushia's 3D live had 98k CCV for 1 hour and it's at 680k views after 2 days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17145622
No Zhang you're not turning this place into your chinky playground that easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146130
Look. I'll humor you.
Let's say it's true. What evidence can you provide besides conjecture that would convince someone who isn't already predisposed to despite the zhangs?
Until you can provide as such, this just remains a schizo theory with some well timed events present.

[Anonymous No.]

It's just a bad business decision to discount the Holos because of a few bad zhangs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146130
>To put it simply when the zhangs aren't awake the viewership for Luxiem absolutely plummets
But I thought the zhangs supported Luxiem because they got views on their own (like Mysta's 10k stream), not because they were the ones boosting Luxiem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146153
How many days has it been since Sister Marine and Pekora's FFX stream?
We're talking about 6 hours after the stream ended.
Also, the avg CCVs weren't close between those 2 streams. Marine peaked much higher and Pekora was not holding 70k for the entire stream.

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>>17146252
>oh no NijiEN is dominating this time slot

funni zhang

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>>17146278
Mysta got that 10k stream on his own and that is what made the zhangs spring into action. The NijiEN girls were never viable for them because their viewership has always been shit but this presented an opportunity especially with HoloEN getting their numbers culled so hard by CCVID.

Mysta's 10k was legit but Vox's 14k (or whatever he got for Sims) and Ike's 20k (karaoke) are not legit.

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This is so unprecedented. Her Apex numbers right now are on par with Chiichan, maybe even better. The thing is Towa's best content are her utawakus.

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>>17146130
Do you not want to add the factor that Ike's PL has popular covers or that the stream where he promised to do a karaoke stream got this much? Or did the zhang mafia jump into action but only after the Mysta stream, then ignored everything else then only specifically pumped into this stream that was literally hours of Ike's wavemates begging his chat for superchats ("the superchat is free")
And can you explain them getting poor views out of "zhang time" (you know there's more than 2 timezones in the world) before Mysta's stream? Or were they always here since the beginning?
And if they aren't fans, where are the silent superchats? How are red akas in zhangbucks easier to send than a membership? You give them so much credit but what's your explanation for them ignoring memberships which are cheap?

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>>17145796
I am the anon who posted a few times about bilibili here. I am pretty familiar with the bilbili scene, probably more than everyone here. I can understand chinese since i do business with china and know how their net culture works.

>>17145796
>Can i have pekomiko pics?

Replies are hilarious.

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>>17146411
Forgot pic related

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>>17146456
>3kb
You'll get there...

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>>17146456
>125x114

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>>17146456
Cant see shit.

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>>17146411
How's VR doing?

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>>17145963
I know that Choco-sen is reclining anon but please don't kick her while she's down
that's not good

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>>17146456
>holobronies btfo

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>>17145993
I really don't know what gives. She isn't even doing rank or some challenge.

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>>17146377
Memberships are passive and can't easily be tracked like superchats. Remember, they aren't doing this to support the talent but to have ammo against Hololive. Superchats are tracked by about 20 different websites.

The zhangs were not there from the beginning which is why their superchat debut streams were pretty mediocre. They didn't hop in until after that Mysta stream. That presented them with the opportunity.

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>>17146456
>nijiniggers btfo

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>>17146507
Wdym? 3k is unironically good for Choco

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>>17145725
Towa 7.1k anonchama, dominating what timeslot?

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>>17146524
Ammo against Hololive... to do what exactly? And why did they specifically choose that stream to boost to own Hololive?

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>>17146568
He's a nijinigger coping. Don't mind him, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't see how any of this explains Luxiemposting in the catalog, how is it suddenly zhangs

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>>17146586
>Ammo against Hololive...to do what exactly
Start a disinformation campaign about Hololive declining especially HoloEN since they are infected with CCVID while the Niji males aren't.

>And why did they specifically choose that stream to boost to own Hololive
The Mysta stream? That was the catalyst to show that boosting Luxiem would be more viable than boosting the NijiEN girls since their raw viewership was just too shitty. Notice that Mysta had that 10k stream and then all of a sudden we see a 14k from Vox and a 20k from Ike. This isn't natural.

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>>17146586
The idea is to make hololive regret leaving china and pretty much present them with 'look this could be you if you had not left' situation. This is what happens when they boost erio and now they are trying to do the same with EN scene.

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>>17146726
For me the fact that Ike got more superchats for a fucking karaoke than Mysta got on his birthday is extremely suspicious. I'm starting to buy into this theory, lol.

So what you are saying is that Mysta is naturally strong and probably isn't getting boosted but the zhangs are boosting the lower tier ones like Vox and Ike to make the entire branch look a lot stronger?

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>>17146726
Wouldn't it be more viable to boost the NijiEN girls slowly over time (to make it look natural), rather than give huge boosts to Luxiem all at once, making it look obvious?

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>>17146726
>>17146732
So where is this sentiment outside of here? Are any Hololive fans talking about it outside of /vt/? Or Nijisanjifags? Or bilibilifags? Or literally anyone? Didn't Ike literally get shilled by the JP branch?

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>>17146777
Zhangs were never known for their subtlety.

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>>17146503
Vr is doing decent i guess, but asoul is much better. Pic related is the new queen of china.

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>>17141537
Chloe skipped the recline arc and went straight to decline arc. I know she got fucked by her family issues but fucking hell.

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>>17146812
If they aren't being subtle, you must have some sort of proof, right?

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I'd like to think all the anons engaging with the schizo are just curious blokes trying to probe the brain of the mentally ill.

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>>17146812
But they're so subtle that no one is talking about it other than this thread.

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>>17146772
>So what you are saying is that Mysta is naturally strong and probably isn't getting boosted but the zhangs are boosting the lower tier ones like Vox and Ike to make the entire branch look a lot stronger?
YES! Mysta being naturally strong was the catalyst to show the zhangs that this entire operation would be viable. They just couldn't do it with the NijiEN girls because their viewership was just too low.

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>>17146279
Sister marine if im not mistaken already have more than 500k view after few minutes. And few hours later close to 1M

Heres a more recent 70k from peko. Yes the average is much lower but its much longer and you can see that a gimmick stream generates waaaaay more views. So this whole vod views of council gimmick stream compared with vspo and lize is just not a good comparison.

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>>17146777
Alright I'm bored enough to indulge in this, and we're at bump limit anyways so time to go off my meds for a bit!
No, because the girls were never good enough to compete. Not enough viewers that boosting SCs alone would do it. Here, the males have good enough viewership that boosting their SC numbers makes a much bigger impact, to show that "oh, look at how BIG their SC numbers are alongside their good viewership!". That gets people's heads turning and the suspicion of "someone is dumping a bunch of cash on them that doesn't match their viewership" is buried.
Alright, time to go back on my meds.

[Anonymous No.]

People who say Vspo girls aren't inclining are fucking schizo. We can already see others leeching off of them.

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wait... the holoschizo thinks that chinks are spending their money to superchat Luxiem so they would appear to have high superchat numbers to somehow hurt Hololive?

do holoschizos really...

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>>17146887
Wouldn't it be cheaper to boost the NijiEN girls' views by botting, rather than boosting the NijiEN guys by dumping money into superchats?

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's Taiwanese/Chinese/Japanese/Indonesian/Malay/Flip/etc fujos. They're splitting a fanbase with NijiJP's English speaking fans that used to superchat the Niji JP males.

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>>17146858
I am genuinely curious and want to see how far the cope goes. He's got some good building blocks for his narrative but some key pieces are missing that he keeps pushing. Hopefully it will help him mold a better narrative so he can make a thread about it in the catalog, all in the name of proper shitposting.
>>17146887
How do their streamlabs earnings in their first 2 weeks compare to this? Because they were getting 1 to 2 thousand USD with that in whatever made up zhang bucks (NT, HK, etc)
Were those just lost Chinese mafia members too?

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>>17146929
Exactly. Not that they can compete with the actual SC monsters in HoloJP, SCing NijiEN so they can beat HoloEN in SCs in particular sounds stupid.
Might as well bot NijiID or something lol.

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>>17146831
2.14 million what?

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things people forget,
>debut buff
>event buff
>novelty buff
These are the real factor i don't see people here mention when they sought to explain nijiEN vs holoEN
will they be able to maintain this level of revenue? who fucking knows?

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>>17146831
not this girl?

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>>17146956
No shit it is
https://twitter.com/pixivision/status/1485900303165763588?s=20
Oh wait this is the work of zhangs as well right

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146831
To explain a bit, 340k usd is her highest earning for one month including sc and memberships.

[Anonymous No.]

>/#/ is playing detective and uncovering the zhangs strategy
I am proud of you guys

[Anonymous No.]

5K for Selen.
The Luxiem tide plus the hard work seems to be helping the girls.
I am happy for them.

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>>17146929
Perhaps they tried.
Remember this?
https://vrabi.ml/video/d-fL-VOmIFA
Also Picrel for another stream on Ike.
Perhaps they tested out bots and found that YT's system culled them out and looked suspicious, so opted to wait and see.
As I said, unmedicated ramblings, I personally think it's a bit of a stretch, but I'm always open to being convinced otherwise with more data that's founded on SOLID logic, not leaps.

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>>17147009
Or how about this?
https://twitter.com/TOWER_Odaka/status/1484781663569977344

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>>17146929
>>17146970
You're thinking logically and expecting them to do the same, you think it's smart to buy 30 dollars worth of bilibili membership for some no-name jp (erio) to own hololive even though they have a large number of memberships in YT with less cut? fucking no, but they do it anyway.

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>>17147001
She is not a sc queen but she has the most cultish fanbase and meme, literally being worshipped as a god kek.

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>>17147050
They do it to own Hololive how exactly? Can you point to anyone comparing her to Hololive or saying she is BTFOing a bunch of Japanese and americans on Youtube, while being on bilibili? How does Hololive fit into this equation?

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>>17146987
Yuan

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>>17146878
>Sister marine if im not mistaken already have more than 500k view after few minutes.
That just doesn't happen, especially for short streams.
The views are always in the low ~10-30ks until at least an hour when they start counting views.
We see this all the time with Holo 3D lives where their get even higher CCV than the Sister Marine stream.

>And few hours later close to 1M
If this were true, that would mean that you're saying Sister Marine got close to 1 mil VOD views within a few hours after it ended?
So in the past month, it gained less than 100k VOD views?
Come ON bruh.

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>>17147168
Spite.
By showing Hololive that "HEY, ALL THIS MONEY WE HAVE, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT NOW BECAUSE YOU ABANDONED CHINA FOR SOME STUPID HALF-AMERICAN AND THE EN MARKET" or something to that effect.

Except that we now know that after the BB and government cuts, Hololive would get 20% of whatever was donated, and that had to then be split 50/50 with the talents.

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>>17147039
But why wait 8 months and start with the guys? Why not do it gradually over time with the girls? Would look much less suspicious.

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This thread is becoming to schizoid even for me, I'm fucking off to /hlg/ until prime time.
at least it's better than endless calli/vspo/spic baiting I guess

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>>17147243
But WHERE is that spite? Can you give a screenshot of even 1 single bilibili schizo with 0 followers saying such? I'll even let you make a fake image if you want.

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>>17141537
>sakura miko
>sakura miko twitch
just put them together

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>>17147168
Here this is from a year ago by chinks in reddit, back then EN market is not really that profitable yet, we have yet to see kfp cultish spendings or mori albums record.
>Chinese debu want to tell hololive that leaving china is their lose. It's a revenge.
>All of these should've went to Hololive. Suisei had the highest membership around 1500+
>Some would've gone to Aki Rosen if situation has not been this bad.
>Hololive exited the Chinese market
This is their way to own hololive by presenting them with that could have been you situation.

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>>17147253
Because they need to piggy back off of actual interest to make the boost seem less suspicious.
None of the NijiEN girls had the sort of hype that Luxiem did. There was actual hype behind them, and thus boosting them in some way would be overall viewed as less odd.
Gradual boosts are also no fun and take too much patience, whereas jumpstarting the guys is easier and much more splashy

Okay, I'm done indulging in this, I don't even really believe it either, not enough evidence, and doing this too much is going to attract more schizo nonsense in the long run, time to fuck off for a few hours until Aqua starts the next part of her climb.

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>>17147320
I can barely understand this ESL post so I will reiterate my point. Where are the screencaps or links to their posts or videos or even tweets about Erio or Luxiem BTFOing Hololive? Nothing at all? They became super sly and subtle all of a sudden, but somehow you figured out their reason behind pumping up these two? I'd like to know what exact post or Chinese sentiment you saw to compare Hololive leaving bili2, to these current happenings. Again, if you want to make a fake image of schizos complaining in Chinese, I'll even accept it.
>>17147398
>running away because no proof
Classic. See you next thread.

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Why does Subaru hate Risu so much that she schedules an utaite at the exact same time?

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>>17146732
didn't Aqua rerelease that weird rallying anthem they used recently? I wonder if that set them off

[Anonymous No.]

>was I wrong in my predictions that Luxiem would fail?
>no it's all the zhangs' fault!
Why are you like this /#/?

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>>17147398
Yeah, the Luxiem boosting happened basically overnight too. Remember they were streaming for a while before they starting getting 10k streams and the superchats started pouring in. This was the period the zhangs used to determine that they were stronger than the girls and a better candidate for boosting.

They showed no signs of being 10k streamers with massive superchats before the zhangs got involved is what I find weird and it happened overnight too with the subtlety of a tank. They were falling in the 4-6k range with modest superchats before getting injected with zhangs.

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>>17147471
https://note.com/anrimayura/n/nc313a6f5e28d

[Anonymous No.]

Holos and friends are just dominating everyone else in the top 10.

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>>17147020
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147605
Nijisanji killer note is written, Nijisanji loses gold.
Hololive killer note is written, ____________?

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>>17147605
>When Kiryu Coco graduated in July 2009, the number of active Reddit was 10,000 to 13,000, but now 3000 to 4000 are at most, and the number of posts has dropped sharply . On overseas bulletin boards such as 4ch, Chinese antis continue to carry out negative activities toward Hololive and promote Hololive EN, so the topic of Hololive EN is decreasing.
What the fuck is this article, why would Coco fans still be on her reddit anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147667
Upset that you are being exposed?

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>>17147713

[Anonymous No.]

> What do you guys want me to sing? Because us vtubers have to sing.

This guy isnt just another VR Chat streamer, he is studying to be like the big number corpos. Said he already spend a few thousand on new models and is going to schedule a 3d Karaoke.

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>>17147854
cheating is easy

[Anonymous No.]

Runa just fucking destroyed Selen's gimmick stream lmao

[Anonymous No.]

This is going to go down as one of the most important threads in /vt/ history. We uncovered an entire zhang strategy and exposed them for the losers they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147854
kek reminds me when they tried to add Taiwan (or Hong Kong?)'s gold to their tally so they could win
>>17147855
Surely this is suable?

[Anonymous No.]

Did all the psycho get in here after the Mori bait thread was deleted? Where my number?

[Anonymous No.]

Twappie 9k get

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>>17147639
>panda
my sides

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>>17147854
God /sp/ immediately after the results were released was hilarious

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>>17147949
Sorry, I'm off my meds rn and will surely be back on them by the next thread. Until then, more unhinged posting.
>>17147964
Nice, let's see if she can get 10k.

[Anonymous No.]

Shuba inclined in 2021. Now it's Towa's turn in 2022.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147639
Listing Runa as a Holo friend when her only collab with one was a 12 person collab with Towa and she's literally playing with two Nijis is making me chuckle

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>>17148083
The important thing is she has more viewers than the Nijisanji girls. That makes her a friend, see?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17143593
I hope she won't be Rokusei Aloe

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>>17148083
he even list panda LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147918
>2: VSPO with a Niji collab
>3: NijiEN
>4: NijiJP
>5: NijiJP with VSPO collab

VSPO has been doing very well lately with these Niji collabs.
You would have to be stupid to stop doing those if you were VSPO.
Hololive from the other hand with only Towa with less than 10K viewers with no overlap at all seem kinda sad but it still hangs in there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17147639
>That Luca viewership
See what happens when they aren't in zhangtime so they can get boosted by the Hololive anti zhangs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148179
COUNTER-SHITPOSTING SHITPOSTING IS STILL SHITPOSTING

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148083
Can't blame them since those that took risk and collabed with the Holos still despite potentially angering some zhang fans were rewarded with better careers than those that didn't.

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>>17144044

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>>17148207
He was at 2.4k during the collab
He has been doing superchat readings for 55 minutes and is at 2.1k

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>>17146914
its probably shizo but i would like to remind you that one of the thing chinks did during the Taiwan meltdown was pump one of the local chuubas of theirs to show how much money hololive lost.
they ended up pumping and dumping her tho lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148223
it's fine that you only respond to these posts holonigger but not the original ones
you think I can't smell you?
what's wrong do I destroy your narrative samefag?

[Anonymous No.]

VTubers getting MOGGED by India.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148262
>2.4k during the collab
Way too low for a supposedly non-zhang hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148207
Take your meds schizo. If they were Holo antis then timezones wouldn't stop them from boosting their viewership. I don't see how boosting viewership directly hurts Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17146914
Yes, and they will continue to pump Luxiem and never dump them because uhhh Hololive will be sad and uhhh it will make them graduate please pity Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148314
There's no stopping the unreasonable retarded faggot but since you apparently have some sanity left it's better off convincing the ones who aren't insane yet to stop making the thread worse, no?
Also Towa 9k for fucking Apex is impressive for this timeslot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148247

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>>17148372
Oh they will get dumped and Nijifags are going to get so much shit they might just want to leave this place for good.

[Anonymous No.]

A New Start at 900k

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148390
i mean, i don't think the guy's contesting that holoEN's more popular than luxiem, i think he's just calling the leaves gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148390
I laughed that with 2 fucking aussies in Council and they didn't trend whereas they did with Myth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148390
So, leafs hate myth even if they like Luxiem, huh?
Interesting.
I've heard that Canada is full of Asian immigrants and I would assume Luxiem is popular among the girls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148390
holosea...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148460
Should beat My Song to a million then. Not bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148415
But if they dump Luxiem then anon's schizo theory gets broken

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148390
Look at all those SEAniggers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148390
holo leaf bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>17142923
no one's discounting the views, it's just the quality of the audience that's being mocked.
Whether you use firewood or Gas to cook food, you'll still get the fire but the quality of the food will be very different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>17148549
Sorry, apparently I don't exist according to these trends.