/auds/ - Vtuber Auditions and Start Ups

[Anonymous No.]

/auds/ Thread # 23

Active Auditions
Hololive EN Gen 2
>Deadline: Friday, March 26, 2021, 11:59 PM (JST)
https://twitter.com/hololive_En/status/1360061826629705738

Air Asia
>Deadline: March 28th, 2021
https://twitter.com/airasia/status/1369479754869469184


What is /auds/?
A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Where it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibility. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you.

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
You do not! A simple .png avatar can be enough to get started.

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Brian Tsui of Iron Vertex has many tutorials available on his youtube channel

RESOURCES:
/auds/ OP Pastebin: https://pastebin.com/zuUBUbGG
Microphone Copypasta: https://pastebin.com/gJ2cd9u4

>Backgrounds and Props
https://sozaino.site
https://www.irasutoya.com/

>Karaoke
https://kara.moe/base/

>Background Music
Youtube’s Audio Library: https://www.youtube.com/audiolibrary
CCMixter: http://ccmixter.org/
Open Game art: https://opengameart.org/
KevinMacLeod: https://incompetech.com/

>Voice Activated 'Animation' Software (だれでもVtuber)(JP only)
https://96enu.booth.pm/items/2362820

>3D Avatar Creator
VRoid Studio

FACE TRACKING SOFTWARE
>Live2D SOFTWARE
Facerig (with Live2D module)
Animaze - PrprLive - VUP - VTube Studio - Live2DViewerEX

>3D SOFTWARE (.vrm format)
VSeeFace - Wakaru - 3tene - VUP

Stay grounded, stay hopeful.

Previous thread >>1653799

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What's everybody's take on stream overlays? Especially complicated ones.

None of my favorite vtubers use them but like, every other streamer in the world does so are they worth using or no?

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>>1710986
You'll have to be more specific. Do you mean that the VTubers you watch are just gameplay with the avatars in the corner over top, instead of there being dedicated space for chat/etc.?

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>>1710986
I think it's more so for art streamers rather than video game streamers. Video game streamers would rather people focus on the game as well as get those sick clips to be posted on youtube. An overlay would not look good in a youtube video.

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Someone in another thread mentioned that, for the first EN auditions, none of the applications submitted over halfway through the audition period were ever viewed. Is this true?

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>>1711074
Yeah like all the obnoxious effects and extra shit on the screen

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>>1710986
if you're talking about all the extra overlays like
>subscriber goal meter
>donations goal meter
>top 5 donor display
>etc.
yeah, i think they're supertacky and like 99% won't be doing anything other than taking up screen real estate. don't use them.

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>>1711136
It really depends on the type of content and environment you want to cultivate. Big name streamers generally don't show chat on screen due to how fast it can get and/or because they don't react to it as much as smaller streamers. The same kind of relationship exists in regards to showing recent subs/donations/etc. In general, anyone with a < 500 live view count should be putting all that on screen in an overlay of some fashion. Why? Because it encourages people to interact with you and your stream more. You don't have to devote huge amounts of space to it all either. Even a simple small box above your head for chat and maybe an event list/alert box off to the bottom somewhere is all you really need.

Overlays can also be a fun tool when mixed with creativity and stuff like triggerfyre. For example, I have an automatic channel point redeem (twitch) to fire off a bit of confetti complete with noise. It's on a cooldown to prevent, of course.

As >>1711534 says, you don't have to put every widget from Streamlabs on your overlay. Just what you find important.

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Is there any potential in male vtubers targeted towards female viewers, or is there no audience for it? Would help the Vtuber scene gain more traction if it wasn't literally 98%+ guys watching.

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>>1711655
My man, like over half of them are for straight women and gay guys. Look at literally any of the Holostars

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>>1711655
>Is there any potential in male vtubers targeted towards female viewers, or is there no audience for it?
no, there is no audience there. across all the holos, nijisanjis, indies, etc. viewership in vtubers is predominantly male. (like 70-80% male)

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>>1711751
That one clipfag anon had Youtube analytics that showed well over 90% male, but I guess sample size matters.

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Man, this thread seems pretty audistic.

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>>1711655
I feel like if you wanted to do that you would have to make a girly (not feminine, just girly/bishonen) and young (not an actual kid, just a young man) character

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>>1711833
based

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>>1710986
Could be good for branding if they look nice.

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>>1711655
This guy seems to be pulling them in
https://twitter.com/MizunoAki_

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>>1712467
His design looks like it's lifted straight from a BL game. He'll pull in an audience alright.

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>>1711655
western fujos got nothing on the japs

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>>1712467
>seems to be pulling them in
??
only thing i see is that he got boosted by getting his rigging done by the folks over at Iron Vertex

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>>1712602
nice numbers for an indie fag

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Sometimes I wonder why I even want to be a vtuber. I don't even like watching streams all that much even less being a streamer.

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>>1712658
He's pre-debut and a VTweeter. Numbers mean nothing until he's making actual content. I doubt he'll carry an actual audience for long.

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High-tech idea for a vtuber:
A man or woman's actual face, but it moves in stopmotion. Think like Peter Gabriel in the music video for Sledgehammer.

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>>1712739
this. i'll follow him to see what happens, but i'd expect the same pattern that hits every other male vtuber post debut.

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>>1712602
We won't know for sure but the reactions to his tweets/personality seem well received. He'll be debuting in April so we'll really know by then.

Also, Ace Fortune is also an IV kid but look at his numbers compared to this guy who hasn't even started making content yet.

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>secured an artist/animator and paid the first of two payments
Finally getting somewhere.

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>>1712964
Congrats, I'd recommend trying to connect with vtubers at a similar stage as you.

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>>1712879
>Also, Ace Fortune is also an IV kid but look at his numbers compared to this guy who hasn't even started making content yet.
numbers don't matter until they actually debut, twitter followers don't translate to returning
and active viewers.

i'm looking at Ace Fortune's twitter feed, and even if we just compare the two, Ace's is just retweets of holos and shit. looks like he took a long break too. Mizuno's at least putting out his own content with his character and collecting views that way and not just retweeting others.

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>>1713015
I'm not so sure, I would like try to establish myself as an individual.

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>>1713030
The initial question was asking if there was an audience for male vtubers targeted towards female viewers. I agree that numbers don't really mean much until debut but it at least indicates some sort of interest.
Mizuno's doing good in marketing his character at the very least for someone in the predebut stage.

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>>1713095
You can do that while making acquaintances, just don't fall into a clique.

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>>1713167
>audience for male vtubers targeted towards female viewers.
this is probably why

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Should I reasonably worry about being a (future) loli vtuber?

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>>1713167
>indicates some sort of interest
That's the problem, twitter interest costs nothing, a follow doesn't mean much, the subs on Youtube are slightly better to point out as "possible interest". He's playing the twitter game well (and he gets a boost already from the model, be it for quality or because of who made it) but you have to wait until his second or third stream to actually see if that interest is real or not.

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>>1713345
no

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>>1713345
No, do your shit, if someone tries to call you a pedo block and ignore, it's that easy

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>>1713403
Which is why I'm waiting for April. Aside from numbers, he's got fanart already.

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>>1713528
when i get my model, i'm gonna commission a bunch of gayhentai fanart of my own character to get the juices flowing for others to follow suit

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>>1713563
I pray that you'll have beautiful mantiddies fanart and success someday.

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>>1713030
IV doesn't promote most of their kids if you go through them. I'm not sure how they choose which ones to promote, might be that they start retweeting the ones that pick up steam alone in the first place?

I'm definitely watching this Aki guy but he wouldn't be the first dude to blow up on Twitter with a sexy model then drop down from a 400 debut to sub 50 regulars in two weeks.

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>>1713966
was his stuff even rigged by Iron Vertex? he's "debuting" a new model and his info says that some freelancer rigged it.

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i'm still helping out people who need design/art/palette etc etc advice!
i also do commissions depending !
all art/advice is kept private between me and you, so there's no leaking of information unless you do it =w=
email here >> [e-mail]

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>>1715869
this is just a vague general advice, but if i were ask for a character design around an Otter or Stoat, and wanted to incorporate aspects of an animal like that into a character design, what would you do?

neither Otters nor Stoats have like, particularly distinguishing features other than being long, cute rodent-like animals. would you just pick one feature to highlight? or like, try to get an overall "gestalt" of sorts?

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>>1715950

If it isnt recognizable enough as an otter/stoat you can always roll with the "I'm an X, not a Y!!!" bit that fubuki does, retards eat that shit up

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>>1715950
i would give them some round cute otter ears and a cute otter tail
something distinct about i believe sea otters is that they have a special shell that they carry around almost their whole life, they use it as a tool to break open crabs... maybe you could incorporate the otters special shell into their design somehow?
a raincoat/boots might be cute with their design too...
(another tip , not design related but... otters like holding hands while they sleep, this could be a cute thing to consider...)

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>>1716020
shit, that's actually a good take on it, thanks anon

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>>1716051
>cute otter ears and a cute otter tail
the designs i've shown some of my friends have ALWAYS confused it for dog or cat ears. and the tail will almost never be visible, since you'll only see things from my shoulders and up for most streams.

>have a special shell that they carry around almost their whole life, they use it as a tool to break open crabs...
that's a good idea, a shell motif on little accessories might actually help. thanks anon!

>otters like holding hands while they sleep
the poses i wanted, was just a standard "arms by the side" pose. i don't really have another character to hold hands with, unless like, i'm collabing with someone in the future.

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>>1715950
There's otter pokemons right
Google it's name+ gijinka and steal ideas

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I’ve recently seen three separate instances of ENVTubers selling their model on Twitter and presumably quitting vtubing. Don’t know how far they got before calling it off. I’m wondering if we will see more of this after post-corona and less free time at home?

But also good on them if they realized VTubing isn’t fun for them and not forcing themselves to do something they aren’t enjoying.

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>>1716183
You can do what Leona Shishigami does and have a tail animation loop behind you.

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>>1715950
Holy shit, this is right up my alley. I've already designed an otter vtuber for someone else and my college illustration concentration was all on mustelids, my favorite animals.

I personally prefer stoats which would be be best for lolis, given how small and hyper they are (and also male stoats rape baby stoats and the baby stoats hold the sperm in their bodies until they're ready to have kits). A stoat's most notable feature is its white stomach, so something that exposes the stomach would be good. Stoats are ground mammals so having some sort of digging motif would help, like garden gloves, a spade or shovel, dirt smudges, maybe even a miner hat. Hyperactive personality is a must. If digging isn't appealing to you, stoats are also notorious hunters, so if you want maybe a posh English hunter motif, or a woodsy outdoorsman- there are many variants if you'd like.
Short hair would work best for these animals since they tend to have shorter fur, and I think it'd make it more recognizable as a stoat. With the stoat, it could be fun to give her a second outfit that has white and black fur like a stoat's winter coat.

As for otters, aquatic is definitely the key thing to focus on. I'm assuming you're going for sea otter and not river otter, so with sea otters you'll want something more low energy and soft looking. Slow, fluffy, and most likely something with shells. A profession that would work with them would be maybe a sushi chef, a fisherman, or a cruise ship captain. Something to do with the ocean or water in general. Black gloves for their paws.

My favorite mustelid is the pine marten and mink, if you want ideas on that as well.

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>>1715710
his first model was

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>>1717311
if you talk this passionately on stream about mustelids i would sub

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>>1718156
I love mustelids almost as much as I love cunny

[Anonymous No.]

Wactor is holding auditions for their new vtubers
http://wactor.tech/auditionEN/
http://wactor.tech/auditionES/
They did a Q&A today about the process of the audition but it's only translated to spanish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvDKsH6VfI8
You need to know japanese but you can be from any country

[Anonymous No.]

>otter vtuber that hits trinkets rhythmically and drops into improv percussion sessions

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>leech vtuber that constantly shows up in every major vtuber's chat

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anyone have a good idea of what the traiditional growth of a vtuber is like?

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where the vocaroos at

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>>1720304

under 50 followers for the first few months, suddenly 700 in like one week. then inch toward 800 for the next month.

then suddenly 1500 in two days wtf. now Im just stuck at 1600 permanently for like 3 months

end me

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>>1721251
post one

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>>1721419
gotta dance with the algorithm

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>>1721672

This is in twitch followers, does twitch even have an algo?

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>>1721761
In a sense. Are you applying the right tags to your streams? Are you streaming consistently? Have you tried streaming earlier/later? Are you limiting yourself to specific games/content?

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>>1721876

I followed all the tips and niched myself into a few specific games that I truly enjoy playing and arent MOBA garbage/apex.

That's probably how I got my 30 or so viewerbase that shows up pretty consistently. But I think I've tapped my market and there are literally no other people interested in my games to appeal to. Now I'm scared that if I try to branch out into new games, my 30 viewers that probably ONLY watch me for the types of games that I play will bounce, it's a catch 22

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>>1721952
30 is a pretty decent number to interact with them more closely, assuming the chat is fairly active too. Ask them what they'd like to see and to give feedback pm some of your ideas for the future, though obviously try not to tell them any ideas that aren't really compatible with them. I'm sure you can figure something out.

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>>1722012

That's actually a really good idea, I should ask my viewers what new game they want to see, thanks anon.

I'm just at this rut where Im afraid to move forward and risk losing what I've built up, I hate it

[Anonymous No.]

I have so many chuuba ideas, should I make an idol company of just myself? I can pretty much do only one voice though.

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>>1722205
the gimmick of a one-man idol company channel could be pretty fuckin amazing ngl

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>>1722235
I like the idea a lot! The downside is that with YouTube streaming you have to register a phone number, and I have already registered mine twice which is the limit. Once for my old roommate's channel, and once for my chuuba. It might work on Twitch though!

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>>1722205
Never thought about a one man idol company feels like it would take up a lot of your time having to stream and run different channels wouldnt it?

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>>1722312
or you could use one single channel/account and just debut each time you introduce a new personality, making different streams for different avatars

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>>1722342
That's a good point
>>1722387
But this has solved the conundrum! I could use the same channel!

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>>1721419
I've been stagnant at ~70 followers for weeks now, and have watched as other tubers start from nowhere with pngs and skyrocket past me in a week. I don't know what I'm doing wrong.

Tell me it gets better.

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>>1724043

I didnt do png drop, or any of that TBA garbage, I just got a rigged model and started streaming, and I was using twitter from day one trying to reply/comment to other small vtubers I liked.

My first two months I was streaming to my one IRL friend that mods for me. There would be 1 or 2 stragglers per stream that dropped by, lurked, and left without commenting. This was the hardest part, I wanted to quit every day of this phase.

After 2 months I got my first raid from one of the vtubers I was chatting up on twitter, that got me from like 15 subs to close to 50, but just shy of affiliate. One of those raiders was a fairly big vtuber I guess, and that person raided me a few days later and I bounced hard. That week I shot up to 700 twitch followers, I still remember how happy I was.

The one thing I took away from my vtubing experience is that the whole thing is very peaky. You feel like you're getting nowhere, then suddenly you have this huge growth spurt, then back to nothing.

I'm not gonna say that everyone is gonna make it, most wont and I will probably just fizzle out at some point. But periods of low growth aren't abnormal. That's probably how it is for everyone. Don't quit just because you've hit a slump, if you like streaming and vtubing fight through it. I would only quit if you just didn't like it at all anymore.

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>>1724043
What do you stream and are you consistent? Do you use twitter or other platforms to market yourself? There's several factors that you can go into and it's also just really oversaturated right now.

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>>1724213
This is good to hear. I'm enjoying streaming, but the stress has really been getting to me recently.

>>1724315
I've kept to a schedule, and I stream variety because I enjoy variety. I have mostly done RPGs, strategy, fps, some art, and even asmr and chatting content so far. The only people who stick around seem to be the rpg crowd. I admit, I've been avoiding twitter because I personally hate the platform, so perhaps I can make better use of it.

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>>1711106
Youtube only counts views if the person stays on the video for more than 30 seconds. I'm sure whoever judges the Hololive auditions have hundreds of videos to go through, so if you don't capture their attention in those 30 seconds, they'll move on to the next applicant.

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>>1724043
i started around the start of february and have been slowly growing weekly. i only stream like 4 times a week and each stream i probably gain a couple followers on average so i'm currently at ~80 on twitch
at the start i posted a lot on community stuff on twitter but it felt weird so now i only really comment on other peoples regular tweets and also just post stuff like clips and other content; currently almost at 300 followers
i also got raided for the first time last week and i feel like since then (and also from switching to stuff like kh and fire emblem to skyrim) my numbers have gotten higher than they usually are
also, like >>1724213 said, periods of low growth are normal and some days (or weeks, even) will just be low points. this clip from ame is a nice reminder that everyone's growth is inconsistent and nonlinear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWVMKxLkoSU&t=4955s

[Anonymous No.]

Post character designs.

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>>1730119
sorry anon i only have concept doodles that i do

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How do people do collabs? like on the technical side, its easy enough on the voice side to just stream a voice chat but I don't know how to do the avatars. Asking because a friend of mine wanted to get into vtubing and wants me along for the ride.

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>>1730119
my concept art is too ugly... its embarrassing...........

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>>1730304
POST IT
At worst you will get constructive critisism. We are all friends here

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>>1730242
there's a way to set up reactive pngs so that you can have an image in a corner that lights up when discord detects your voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_GHGxZoahQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v4tHSdSBGk
these get posted a lot and probably should be part of the OP at this point

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>>1730119
I wish someone would do a zerg-like tuber

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>>1730589
This would be sick. People really need to get more creative with what can and can't be a vtuber. Everything has to be some riff on anime rn but there's so much more potential than that

[Anonymous No.]

Do you think it's possible to get into HoloEN2 if you apply right now?

Also if I have already done one audition do you think they would not accept me if I did a second one on another email account?

[Anonymous No.]

Man I love this shit. I'm almost at affiliate and every stream is really fun because I've spent a while cultivating a dedicated base. It's been a busy couple of months but you guys have been a huge help, thank you.

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>>1731673
It's possible but I wouldn't wait much longer

Also no, definitely don't apply twice. That's not a good look. Just wait for next year

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>>1731674
Good to hear anon! It really is nice when you have regulars that come to a lot of your streams and talking with them is always fun; i just broke through affiliate the other day and now i have to get around to having emotes and other graphics for my channel now

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>>1731708
Are you sure? Nene applied multiple times (albeit it was a rolling audition but still) and got in (though I think they probably wouldn't want multiple auditions)

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>>1731760
I'm no expert so maybe somebody else should give their two cents

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>>1731760
AFAIK, Nene was *rejected* multiple times, and kept re-applying. Not just spamming applications constantly. Apparently stubbornness works with holopro though, since Subaru just annoyed them into letting her in.

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>>1731673
>Also if I have already done one audition do you think they would not accept me if I did a second one on another email account?
You can apply as many times as you want (there are plenty of examples of that), I would say it's better to use the same email.
Just be quick about it, it will close soon.
If it's possible? Anything is possible but curb your expectations.
>>1731708
>That's not a good look
This makes no sense.

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>>1717311
i wish i was as passionate about something as this anon is. imagine this anon going on a 10 minute spree just talking about cute furry mustelids and then the subsequent flood of fanart of anon's character being covered in little ferrets and stoats

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>>1732541
Honestly having something you are super passionate about and can rant at length on is good for streaming, so I suggest everyone think about what their favourite things are that they love to talk about. In my case its alcohol, though, so not as cute a discussion as that anon.

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>>1732721
Oh god I have SO MANY of those that I like

Would ranting about Yugioh, how I like music, how I like Touhou, how I like Among Us, and other stuff be nice?

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>>1732811
if you get you so much fanart of your vtuber persona being completely obessed with whatever thing you go on a rant about

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>>1732721
i wish that were me but i have a lot of gross interests that people probably wouldnt like to draw, so i try to be less open about them when im on stream

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>>1732721
alcohol discussions can come off as classy at the very least depending on what kinds you're talking about

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>>1733857
My primary drink category is scotch, though lately I've been delving into good tequilas and mezcals, which are amazing. I just want to try all the different types of alcohol in the world, and discuss it with people. It's such fascinating subject and part of human history, but much of society just brushes it off as "you alcoholics just want to get drunk all day". I had a glass of Abelour A'bunadh yesterday and it had so many flavours in it that it was like eating a 12 course meal. I'm not some elitist though, I'd have no problem trying a white claw or some shit, I just doubt there'd be anything to discuss in such cases. People are free to enjoy what they like.

[Anonymous No.]

what does /auds/ think of my audition tape?

https://files.catbox.moe/dm9yj1.mp4

[Anonymous No.]

what do you guys think the odds are of hololiveEN hiring me after I sent them an email saying to suck my dick for copyright striking one of my videos and attached my real name

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>>1734547
Hope you enjoyed your life anon

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Is it bad that one of the things im looking forward to the most when becoming a vtuber is getting a bunch of fanart?

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>>1734722
I was just trying to be tsundere, I thought they liked that over there

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>>1734791
as an irl tsundere, that's not how you tsundere

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>>1734867
I'm american, I'll tsundere however the hell I want

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>>1734774
Yes because you will be dissapointed by the lack of fan art

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>>1734909
Being an annoying loudmouth with no introspection *is* pretty American, yes.

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>>1734413
Personally, I've been on a Sake kick myself, though I'm not the best person for analyzing subtleties in flavors but I do love trying different kinds of alcohol out as far as the popular/common beers go it might make for interesting content to buy a bunch and talk about them all back to back but i could imagine getting dulled to the taste of them pretty quickly

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>>1734909
>that american cultural appropriation attitude
ngmi

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>>1734982
literally jealous. SEETHE

>>1735032
I'm gonna become the new ceo of cover and make yagoo personally suck my dick. Cap this

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>>1734980
just commission them yourself like Mocca does

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>>1734997
I don't think the store I buy from carries sake but I've been meaning to ask them to see if they can order some in, I'd love to try it. As for picking out flavours, it just takes practice and thinking way too much about it.

>as far as the popular/common beers go it might make for interesting content to buy a bunch and talk about them all back to back but i could imagine getting dulled to the taste of them pretty quickly
Maybe try some ice water between drinks. Something to neutralize the flavour so you can start off fresh each time. Also helps prevent dehydration from drinking a lot. Good idea though.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw waiting for my finished art

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw waiting for my art to magically get better so I can make my vtuber avatar myself

[Anonymous No.]

waiting for skeb commissions is the worst since you can't even ask the artist for updates

[Anonymous No.]

Never gonna make it bros

[Anonymous No.]

I believe in you anon

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>>1738739
For
>>1738670

[Anonymous No.]

Ay homie, what is your long-term goal and strategy for getting there?
You do have a plan, don't you, holms? Not having a strategy would be loco, ya feel?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739035
plan...?

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>>1739035
continue grind
continue growth
be genuinely funny and promote myself with clips across most social media
rope my friends and budding streamers i like in and continue cultivating my dedicated base
that's it, i'd rather grow into an Ina than a Gura yknow

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>>1739035
Everyone smart enough to have a real plan is also smart enough to know that it's not gonna work.

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>>1739035
my long term plan is to slowly get involved by making content surrounding vtubers then join if I like it enough.
I dont even know if I would stream, more like an anime avatar that does several things, but if I were to, it would be ala Corpse and play small indies and obscure games

[Anonymous No.]

>live tv shows have teams of 4+ people working behind the scenes
>audio mixing
>scene switching
>director directing
>streamer does all of that on their own while also entertaining the audience

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739574
Yes. It's exiting, isn't it? We are basically re-entering the era of cheaply produced TV from the 80s and 90s when everyone could make whatever the hell they wanted, because the production costs were so cheap.
So hurry up, before the audience gets spoiled and develops taste and starts demanding quality unachievable by individual creators!

[Anonymous No.]

Hey ya'll

I'm done with my audition video but unfortunately the audio is like... Messed up and bad!!
Help?
Thoughts?
Is the video worth salvaging or should I re-do it for the audio?
https://youtu.be/pKwGh_8ROLY

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739681
>but unfortunately the audio is like... Messed up and bad!!
redo it, not even gonna watch if the talent themselves think it's bad

[Anonymous No.]

Is saying "retweets are appreciated" in my reveal tweet bad form? I really want help spreading the word but don't want people to KNOW I want help spreading the word, ya know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739701
Heard.

K. I'll leave that video up for the giggles (might even list it, because it's unlisted now, but I want gradual quality improvement in things I list on my channel)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739802
whatever you do, when you send in the audition video, do it on a fresh upload with zero views. rumor has it that Cover won't accept audition applications if you've been going around publicly talking about it. (and that includes sharing your audition tapes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739863
Bet....

So this one doesn't even get published?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739863
>>1739948
Such a waist of work/time/effort, then.

I'll just re-do it. Thanks for the advice.

[Anonymous No.]

Whel,
I'm going to go "cri n b sad" becausr gotta re-do video.

Oh well. Peace, ya'll.
>Crawls away into the depths of my alligator mansion, to be alone and reclusive on the top floor

[Anonymous No.]

How many of you are actually women or women-passing? The audience is almost entirely male and male streams actually need to be competent and offer somerhing good to even have a fraction of success. And yes you need to sing so if you're not a biogical female you might have a problem hitting some notes without your voice cracking. Artemis go through because she's market savvy and knew exactly when to get in, leech or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
>women-passing
women what now

[Anonymous No.]

got any examples of a vtuber using the Discord reactive images trick? i'm just gonna pngtuber because i can't find a decent skilled rigger. so i might as well just get started making content as png.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1718444
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnOttytIazQ
The questions from the Q&A clipped it's subbed in spanish

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
I'm openly a babiniku and doing just fine lol. i can also sing and am funny so idk what the fuck your
>woman-passing
twitterposting shit is

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740574
Fancy word for convincing tranny. Trying to be nice here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740687
https://www.twitch.tv/evaparamour
you can search pngtuber on twitter and find a bunch of different examples of people doing it but here's one where two different pngs are used for talking/not talking

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
Honestly, I plan to be funny instead of trying to be sexy. My voice isn't sexy. I have to accept that. But I can make silly content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
I am a biological girl and have a great speaking voice but a horrific singing voice that breaks. I want to take lessons like Ame eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
I mean, I'm a woman and my voice is very close to Towa's debut voice, so you tell me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739738
Bumping this question

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
We polled about a month ago and it's roughly 40 percent women

[Anonymous No.]

>>1741284
looks like there's a mix of people who do and don't. i don't think it really matters whether you say that or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1741089
Sing. Her voice is great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1741354
Check who is and who isn't. By default, if you include it, you're associated with those that do. There's a prettty clear rift among VTubers between psycho lmao i'm gay and so lewd lefty faggots and actual quality indie chuubas who avoid that shit. The company you keep is very much your brand, too. Emulate who you'd want to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1740375
hi i'm female. i posted my voice in here a few times, its the higher 'too cutesy' one. i sing and post covers to youtube weekly, am a professional designer and freelance illustrator, and am usually plat-diamond in games depending on genre

im also the one trying to get into hololive to support my masters degree lol

[Anonymous No.]

Hello again--some of us set up a discord a while back for prospective male vtubers from /vt/: https://discord.gg/UhTbW87z

It's been nice and productive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1742888
A DISCORD!?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

[Anonymous No.]

>>1742888
Totally not piggybacking off this, I have set up a discord for prospective FEMALE vtubers from /vt/!
https://discord.gg/PVjgU4B3A2

[Anonymous No.]

>>1743175
wait are there real girls in this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1743498
All of us so far, anonchan

[Anonymous No.]

Here's me biting the bate
https://voca.ro/11bZjuzZXcym

[Anonymous No.]

>>1743498
Fuck no, whore. There's pussy in this thread, but where's the "grr"in that girl?

Ain't none. Don't mean there don't gotta be some in a snap of you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744381
The fuck is this post. Is this how kids speak nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744437
I'm trying to understand what is being said. I've read it like 4 times but don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744437
Is it not 4chan-ie enough to say "okey, boomer" or do I gotta think of something edgier with more slurs?

I'm a newfag, educate my cancerous ass, oh mighty gatekeeper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744381
What is this post even trying to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744747
why are you even here? do you even have a model yet or are you just vtweeting in real time in this thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744747
Nothing to do with "gatekeeping", your post makes no sense and I legitimately have no idea what most of it is saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744381
>>1744437
this is like how people think kids that grew up in 90s speak
this is absolutely not how kids nowadays speak
t. teacher

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744748
It's implied that though people with ovaries and vaginas may be in this thread, there is a lack of "authentic woman" (or the perceived notion that a woman is to be stronger or outwardly project an image to be percived as a "grr", which is assumed to be an aggressive onomatopoeia)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744747
Lurk more or fuck off, sounds easy enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744381
I consider myself in tune with what zoomers say and even I don't understand what is being said

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744870
Well at least there's that. But I'm 35 and I also have no idea what its saying. Its like some weird parody old slang.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744806
I honestly might be vtweeting in this thread, unfortunately. A behavior I can contain.
My apologies. I'll quell the behaviour.

>>1744856
I thought you wuz gatekeeping w/ like, tellin me how to sprek n stuff like that.
ÓÒ I ain't too smart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744912
>>1744957
>>1744905
See >>1744883

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got a magic genie that would allow me to commission a vtuber model from George Kamitani himself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744883
Oh, it takes a gato to tell what the gator is saying.

Ain't that funny. I keep saying cats n gators are practicly the same. Like, one chromosome apart or something.

Oh wait, I'm samefagging, aren't I, mods?

∆,∆ huh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1744870
isn't it all just nogspeak now?
>aight bet
>lit bro
>these kids
>lessgo senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>1722235
That's a one-off SoL anime plot right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>1741802
Well like, it's not totally Towa-esque but I have posted it in here a few times before (i'm the person who did the Dead Parrot skit) and people have said it does sound like a woman, which makes sense because I am a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745083
thankfully i haven't heard kids refer to anyone as senpai otherwise i might just have to commit a crime but i have heard them refer to each other as anime character names because so i've come pretty close regardless
but yeah your average kid will be saying stuff like "iight, bet", "say less", or "that's fuckin cap"

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745083
Kinda. I mean, sorta(?) But it all gets derivative like the natural discord of language evolution. The primary english just started to homogonize itself dialectualy and before you know wif a few a `em brain cells burnt up ya finna see a quanta`lingua con das sprek vë heben, aye? Petro, con non intiendo, este bien parta sin indijendaten van dijn sprek. И кoн китo мa, интяндa Toдo, дa?

Aндaлe, anon, what I was SAYING about the girls in here [...] got me just the reaction I needed. They ain't got no "grr" like an angry bear

Let's put the "grr" back in girl. More aggressive characters, all I'm asking for, sweetie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745356
I do use "chan" and senpai IRL but I'm the same anon that people are complaining talks funny

Jeez, hospitality, much? I thought ya'll was kind to birds/tourest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745370
Your posts are incredibly annoying to read.

>Let's put the "grr" back in girl. More aggressive characters, all I'm asking for, sweetie.
Who cares what you want, people should do what *they* want because its their stream and it makes for better and more varied content overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1739738
>reveal tweet
ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745370
Just stop
this is /auds/, not tumblr

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745443
K. I'm buying a model and all I fucking hear is "whaaaa she's not sexy or saiso enough like an anime fuckdoll and sounds like a chain-smoking troon"

So when *I* make *my* stream, I:m not intending to even TRY to be cute like that. I just can't. Don't have the voice to even try.

So *them* girls can do *they* thing and I'm finna peace n respect every streamer should be able to do their own style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745632
anon, that's not what they said
are you ok?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745603
K

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745632
>"I'm not like the other girls"
ok

[Anonymous No.]

Pros of a pngtuber:
- cheap
- no processor hit
- you can always redesign and hard debut properly with the model you want
- get your streaming reps in to see if you actually enjoy streaming to begin with
- profile picture is simple, it's just the same png
- if you wanna get fancy, you can use the discord trick (OP, put it in the copypasta please)
- can use your own pngtuber avatar as a base for commission mood boards when you want to transition to Live2D
why aren't you pngtubering today, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745659
My brain is split in perception between dimensions and timelines and causes the apparent disconnect from "reality". Or I'm being mad pirated, possibly by myself in a nother timeline.

Point is, I like to inform people I'm legaly insane and take my meds like a good saiso ⊙﹏⊙

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745708
You can double up on the fancy if you use the Voice Activated 'Animation' Software in the OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745708
my poor computer can barely handle streaming in general , whenever i use my model there's lots of stream lag and frame drops...
>>1745757
wh..What?
please feel better soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745708
I don't know. Know any good pngtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745632
You need to just step away from the computer for a while. You either need to go just relax outside, get a therapist, or something. Just get your thoughts together. You obviously have some sort of issue you are trying to work through. And if you're talking about people in these threads slinging insults, well get used to it or leave. This place is used *because* anons are harsh, you ask for advice here to get fucking shredded, not for a hugbox.

>>1745757
You're trying too hard, this isn't... whatever dumbass community you used to belong to. No one cares how 'insane' you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745798
as far as people talked about on 4chan go, corpse (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPPlTLLW6sFSVcsSod1pJKA)) comes to mind and she literally doesn't even speak; just types
there's a bunch of pngtubers on twitter that hit double digit viewers on twitch as well so as a start its definitely fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745708
I don't have a design yet, gotta find an artist. Depending on how I feel I may pngtube for a bit before the rig is done but at that point I feel it would harm the keyfabe a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745775
Im good. I got my nanny here to give me headpats and comfort. I'm about to take my meds.

It's all good

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745906
have a good day anon, stay safe

[Anonymous No.]

>>1735299
the ice water is definitely a good idea for that
if you ever plan on going through with some kind of alcohol tasting stream i'd absolutely be down to collab with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745458
Do you just chose shit at complete random to say that about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745923
Sounds great, would be fun. I'm a long way out from debuting though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745879
Just do it, you'll need to practice dealing with chat/dead air and juggling things on obs eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746007
True enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745798
https://www.twitch.tv/phoenixkingtuber
this one's just started like a week ago, but seems to be doing pretty solid with views in the 50s and 60s pretty consistently

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745808
step away from the computer sounds like a good idea. But FR, if getting shredded by ANONS is the purpose, then check this: what's wrong with the insults I give? Oh, my dope isn't as good as yours? I can't server it up like I can take it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745944
Sorry, I need 10 (You)s to reveal my reply!

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746047
That's in total views, use TwitchTracker to find average live views. Still, 6 average viewers and a few active chatters isn't bad for someone starting out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746157
total views means people are still going back and watching the vod (in whole or in part), for someone who's got only 41 follows, i'd say that's pretty solid numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746130
Because getting 'shredded' by anons is (usually) harsh criticism. You don't have any criticism, you just say really stupid shit to... I guess try and get a rise out of people? You've literally never said anything that has a point. You're just an irritating poster stinking up the threads. The /aud/ threads are here for anons to help each other get started as a vtuber and discuss content strategies. There's shitposting, but your posts aren't even up to the standard of shitposting.

I just kinda feel sad for you.

[Anonymous No.]

Did (YOU) submit your HoloEN apication yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746174
It's something but I'd still consider live views and active chat/engagement as a more important metric than total views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746269
No intention to. Maybe sometime down the line I'll consider it. I'm male though so I'd just get shoved in HoloStars, which cover doesn't really seem to push nearly as much (though they're getting better with that). Not speaking japanese at all would be a hindrance I'd imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1746269
i'm male so i'm waiting for nijiEN2 or holostarsEN before sending one
also i only started a few months ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745758
pngtuber who uses this, just a heads up that the latest windows update broke the 2.1.6 version. uninstall and install the old 2.1.3 version, it still works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745798
Cant be anyone else but Little snake, you guys should take notes and learn from him, he switches to different expressions using some pedals. He is very approachable, too.
https://www.twitch.tv/little_s_

Spacer too. Has good voice, barely has dead air if at all, and not only has good keyfabe, but he narrates very well and can be a little dorky at times.
https://www.twitch.tv/spacer_haywire_ch

Charlotte used to be PNG preLive2D not long ago, I had fun with her Dead Rising streams and I personally like her chocolate milkies
https://www.twitch.tv/charlottebear_ch

[Anonymous No.]

>>1747736
>Spacer
wonder how he does the sound bars thing under his png, i don't even know what that's called but i've seen it on music videos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1747851
you could just ask him
All these are very approachable vtubers, and they all come to 4chan so they wont care if you are here too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1747851
Spectralizer plugin on OBS (not SLOBS)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1748070
thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

the struggle of wanting to watch your oshi for an hour, or streaming to an empty chatbox for an hour. i know what i must do, but i don't know if i have strength to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1749724
It's always the big sacrifice. To make it as a streamer, you basically can't watch streams anymore (in any real amount). Sacrifices must be made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1749724
I miss watching my oshi, but keep going anon, you'll get somewhere eventually. Growth isn't a steady thing at times, it took me a few months to get regular viewers popping in and even then, some come and go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1749724
sometimes you have to choose to do those vod reps or become a clipfag... a hard life for the indie chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>1748070
Can confirm. Also, mouth is also done using Spectralizer via this crop/mask trick:
https://youtu.be/QNGYgpFli6g

[Anonymous No.]

>>1750161
that's some next level macgyver type shit right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>1747736
It's spelt kayfabe dipshit

[Anonymous No.]

something to think about for currently streaming vtubers and content: how do you go about clipping?
https://youtu.be/K3_HzCDE1Jk
i did this earlier and decided to subtitle it because i know people on twitter will sometimes watch videos without turning on sound
another question is: how much of the clip do you keep? i feel like i might have kept too much here and could have shortened it to the second half but i feel like the context is also important

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745458
>>1746148
If you are afraid to advertise beforehand, you are setting yourself up for failure. You need to be able to be proud enough of your work to make people interested

[Anonymous No.]

>>1750280
keep it 60 seconds or shorter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1750280
I like keeping mine short like >>1750454
pointed out, adding subtitles is a good idea, good on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1750385
This. How are you going to let people know you are live if you are afraid to tweet about it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1750280
Depends on the platform, i can't remember what the times were but I think for twitter it's between 20-60 seconds or something, tiktok is under 30 seconds and Instagram you can go up to 2 minutes. I'm not exactly sure though, see what big streamers and media companies are doing with highlights on different platforms that should give you some good ideas on how to structure yourself across each one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1751368
twitter is, strangely enough, 2 minutes and 20 seconds
i primarily post on twitter so that's what i keep in mind. i know tiktok is 1 minute so >>1750454 is probably right there though i still would have to make a tiktok
youtube shorts are also 60 second but also require your video to be in portrait mode so i'm not going to work my ass off for that for clips
short form content might be worth it though since i do japanese lessons too so i could work with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>1751483
I've been watching some Devin Nash videos, and in them he frequently talks about creating 15 pieces of content from 1 moment. I don't
remember if he talks about it in this video but he has a lot of really good advice for beginners in his talk with codeMiko https://youtu.be/PdGpqMbnl14

Another good video that you should watch first is this one by ludwig he gives some great advice on how to grow your audience https://youtu.be/0i9gkprYekI

[Anonymous No.]

>>1752481
is there a tl:dr that video is 3 hours long the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>1752481
I've watched ludwig's video and i agree that it has a lot of good advice in it, though i'll have to watch the devin nash vid at some point though 3 hours is a lot to sit through

[Anonymous No.]

why are so many wvtubers graduating?
the 3 myholotv girls, plus shirogane yui who's likely going to nijisanji, and mint fantome who's quitting for medical reasons?

i don't think all of them are moving to niji/holoen so its just strange that they're all grouped up like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>1753696
If it's not niji/holo, then it's probably just life, with vaccinations rolling out, places are opening and that means back to school/work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1753696
where did mint say it was medical? im pretty sure she's going to niji, due to the timeline matching up with Nova and Yui also graduating. All 3 of them probably had to graduate before early april.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1753882
she mentioned that she had a medical diagnosis but did not say anything else about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>1750257
I realized 2 seconds after post that I brainfarted and said "key" instead of "kay" but you dont need to be a giant faggot about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>1752742
>>1752831
No TL:DR the guy manages talent on twitch and youtube. He's a multimillionaire after selling CLG to the NY knicks. He gives incredibly insightful advice on how to manage your channel and how to conduct yourself that will help you see not only growth but money. He has shorter videos though like his two videos on agencies were really informative

https://youtu.be/3pu_8NGpqAg
https://youtu.be/3cuCQAZcB70

[Anonymous No.]

>>1753696
Ryuusei Nova is also leaving

[Anonymous No.]

watching the 3 hour video with codemiko this is what i pulled from it

Questions to ask:
1 - what do you want before you die? (what's your vision for this project)
2 - why did you decide to create this character?
3 - what are you trying to create for the viewers? (and why is that important to you?)
4 - what kind of viewers / audience do you want?
5 - what is the focus of your channel? (what is integrity, authenticity for you? just transactional viewers as money?)
6 - is the brand you are building something that makes you happy? (do you have a plan to get there? begin with the end in mind)

Notes and Comments
- consistency, showing up everyday is how to make it work (only you can make your content)
- set your targets realistically (1000 to 2000 followers is a 100% growth rate, that's kinda crazy)
- controlling for various factors, men have it much easier on twitch than females
- for every1 viewer on twitch, there are 200 on youtube

- it's super easy for anyone to just launch OBS and stream. just doing the same thing won't work. you have to keep growing. best content creators are constantly looking for something new (and this takes a lot of effort)
- go back to your VODs and watch them. are you the type of streamer that you'd watch? (important mindset)

- luck doesn't exist
(Miko got a huge surge of followers when she got raided. might attribute it to the raid, but it was because she was creating unique and attractive content that caught the attention of a larger streamer, that isn't luck)

- go for the zoomershit thumbnails and titles


more Brand Management related:
-Youtube and Patreon are where you will get the most growth, Twitch requires you to be live and streaming, YT and Patreon will keep making money while you are offline
- don't look at twitch as where you brand will live, it's just a platform for live streaming
- Patreon is about selling ACCESS to you, but you need to offer rewards that don't eat up more of your time
- as a content creator, you job is to make content, so as you grow, hire people and delegate all parts of the job that don't involve creating content. (if it takes you 1 hour to manage social media or stitch together a highlight reel, that's 1 hour you're not creating)

[Anonymous No.]

>>1755611
That's a good summary!

He also talks about patreon in this video https://youtu.be/bGvfYv5nzs0

A commenter in that miko video actually said something interesting when TheAnimeMan got a girlfriend his female viewership dropped from 50% to 20% and his GFs male audience dropped from 50% to 20%. It's just something to be aware of even if you're not doing the GFE or BFE on stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1755864
that's wack, but i can't see a scenario where you'd run into that issue a vtuber or even just a regular streamer. you should keep that stuff separate. sounds like basic opsec not to talk about that stuff to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1755864
I'm very surprised they had a 50-50 gender viewership before.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm watching this right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65ZbcZTDCqk
makes me want to just stick with youtube...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756148
I think multistreaming is honestly the best way to go. That or just never accept affiliation and wait to see if you can get the numbers for partnership and then apply for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756217
how do you go about multistreaming? is it just Youtube, Facebook, and Twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756148
This guy has some good points like the 24-hour exclusivity delay, but some of his other takes are absolutely dumb.

>Bits are useless
You get 100% of bits. They're more valuable than subs because subs you only get half of

>Payouts are useless
Assuming you're only going to be making < 100 USD a month might be true for brand new streamers, but people who actually make it can easily make bank.

>Channel Points are useless
He's a fucktard that doesn't understand them, so therefore thinks it's useless.

>Ads
You're going to get ads no matter where you stream. Pretending like you won't is retarded

>Multistream meme
You either stream to Twitch or to Youtube. The former actually allows you to be discoverable, while the latter doesn't give a shit about livestreaming. Facebook/etc. are fucking memes. No one makes any content/money off those.

I could go on and on. This is largely pure clickbait meant to scare people off based on memes and a singular experience that this faggot has had. Yes, Twitch does stupid shit sometimes. Yes, there are a lot of thing it could do MUCH better. But gimping yourself by NOT going affiliate? You might as well let this faggot control your stock portfolio.

[Anonymous No.]

>advice from a guy who owned 2 esports teams, has a background in this work, has teams advising top content creators, understands the legal bullshit, and has been producing streams educating people on this for 3 months
vs
>some anon on /auds/
hmmm

[Anonymous No.]

Will having a history of streaming Genshin Impact/Muse Dash/Chinese-affiliated games hurt your chances of getting in Hololive/Holostars? Lyrica doesn't seem to be banned from collabing with HoloID despite having done Genshin streams before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1749806
Nah, requires dedication. Ninaninin is known to spend a lot of time in other people's AND does her reps AND has a 9-5. All you need is planning and to want it I guess..

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756148

Holy fucking shit his voice is annoying

but he's right twitch affiliate is a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756917
Just because he has "experience" doesn't mean he can't be wrong. In fact, he's more dangerous to the average viewer who can't critically think and will take what he says as 100% gospel. He doesn't know how content creation works for the "every man" because all he's experienced with is high level shit. Sure, if you have a huge brand and huge following, you shouldn't blindly sign a contract with Twitch (or anyone). But for the average VTuber? For someone that will only ever have a maximum of < 1k live viewers? This faggot couldn't be more wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1757071
if you've got any advice to get from (literal day one start up) to (entry level streamer with a brand that can start to take advantage of his advice), i'm all ears.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756496
Just those 3 yeah, I personally am not gonna look into Facebook for various reasons, but one of them being that apparently the streaming culture on that site is apparently very short. People go live for 30 minutes doing crazy or cool shit and then end the stream for the day, not really sure if that's something I would eventually fit in alongside with assuming that my facebook platform would be the one to blow up over my twitch and youtube. People who multistream also sometimes have a built in chat that can basically combine two or more different channels on different sites together but I think they either built it themselves with some simple coding or found something on the chrome store, not completely sure on that.

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>>1757117

You need passive growth. Youtube is more or less the only game in town for passive growth. If you focus only on active growth(shilling yourself on twitter, reddit, or here on /wvt/) you will burn yourself out best case, worst case you'll turn into a fucking vtweeter.

If you take away nothing else, understand this: streaming on twitch is not a method for growth. If you do NOTHING but stream on twitch 7 days a week for 8 hours a day, you will never grow past 10 viewers, if that. It will not happen.

The number one thing you need to obsess about as a vtuber is active and passive methods for viewership growth.

Make snappy, well-edited videos that showcase your charm and talents and upload them to youtube. Over the course of 3 years, each of those videos will give you 1-5 passive twitch subs per month. If it goes viral you'll get like 1k+ in the blink of an eye.

Engage on /wvt/, twitter, reddit WITHIN REASON. limit yourself to 30 minutes max for active social media shilling, networking, whatever you want to call it, PER DAY. Focus on content creation first and foremost.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE YOUTUBE, EVEN THOUGH TWITCH IS THE SUPERIOR STREAMING PLATFORM.

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>>1757362
thanks anon, i'll keep these in mind.

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>>1757117
It's simple really. I've said this before many times, to the point I wish someone would put it in the damn OP.

>Point 1: Until/Unless YouTube updates their livestreaming, you should only use it for VOD storage. Similarly, you should not use Twitch for VOD storage.

Hololive and other big VTubers can stream on YouTube because people know them and will subscribe (i.e. follow) them. Finding livestreamers on YouTube is a big fucking headache, not to mention their algorithm for recommendations has never been good.

Twitch makes you more discoverable and allows for better viewer interaction. Bits started as a meme but viewers now are just as likely to drop big bit bombs as they are a bunch of gifted subs. Channel Points, when used correctly for things like overlay triggers, "streamer punishments", and poll betting, *increases* your interaction with the viewer. The downside to Twitch is its retarded takes on DMCA and the lack of meaningful VOD storage. So again, stream on Twitch, VOD on YouTube.

>Point 2: People know when you're number chasing

If you're clickbaiting and otherwise spamming hashtags instead of providing meaningful content, all you're doing is sustaining on outrage/coomer culture. The instant you stop doing so, your numbers will plummet. Yes, you should provide some cool gimmick or something special to your viewers. But if all you're doing is bouncing virtual tits around and yelling at that domo faggot on Twitter, you're not going to get more views/interaction. Not the kind you want, anyways.

>Point 3: Don't go into streaming expecting to make bank. Treat it like a hobby and not like a job.

Unless/Until you "make it big", livestreaming of any kind should be something you do as a hobby. I see so many people getting into it thinking they'll make a big return on whatever they invest into making content. The "do your reps" meme is a fucking meme but it's true. You're not going to be getting ANY return on your invested time/effort/cash/etc. for quite some time. If at all. For VTubers it's getting to the point where everyone peacocks around by throwing stupid amounts of cash to get these elaborate Live2D models done by "top names". The thinking being that expensive equipment/model = more views is a common one that leads to many a graduation/VTweeter.

>>1757362 largely has good points as well. However, I would comment on the thinking that "streaming on twitch isn't a method for growth." By itself, meaning you're doing absolutely nothing else in terms of growth, yes, it's not worth it. What people care about is consistency. The old adage of showing up on time and consistently being 90% (or w/e) of a job is true. Set a schedule and stick to it. Deviate only when necessary.

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>>1756918
Bump for interest. Why is the thread busy shilling Twitch and not answering questions like this?

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>>1757439
you too, anon, thanks, i'll keep both of you comments in mind.

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>>1756918
Probably not?
Hololive doesn’t care about the old games, only the new ones I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>1757479
Because no one here is going to know that. We're not mindreaders or privy to some secret Hololive selection criteria.

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>>1757439

You're 100% right, streaming is important for viewerbase retention. Stream consistently, stream on a set schedule, stream in a way that's entertaining and provides your viewers with value worth their time investment in you.

Getting new viewers using youtube and twitter means nothing if those viewers forget about you because your streams pop up randomly at all hours of the day, or fall off a cliff for weeks at a time.

Also never ever buy into SJW bullshit, even if you believe in it. Entertainers entertain. Activism is necessary in some cases but IS NEVER ENTERTAINING.

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>>1757362
Oh devin actually agrees with you, I can't remember the video but he calls people like Ludeig and XQC not twitch streamers with a youtube channel, but Youtubers that do livestreaming on the side. Absolutely no one is going to sit down and watch some indie chuuba play 4 hours of legend of zelda, but they might watch a 10 minute highlight video with a nice title and clean thumbnail on their commute to work or during their lunch break. You need to turn those passive casual viewers into active watchers on your livestream by showing your best foot with edited content. Remember that your competition as an indie isn't just other indies it's also people in Hololive, Nijisanji, VOMs, and even non-vtuber streamers. The competition is all for who can grab the attention of the audience and as the little guy you need to work A LOT harder for an ounce of the scrap that the big guys will get.

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>>1757562
I mean political entertainers do exist (both on the left and right; see Vaush and Destiny and Hasan for the former and people like Sargon for the latter) but if you go for political activism, whichever side you believe, you’re going to want to make it a central part of your channel rather than a side thing.

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>>1757643

I don't find any type of political content entertaining, but if those guys are making money off their shit it's obviously got an audience.

More power to them, but keep that shit out of vtubing IMO

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>>1757602
I think "youtubers with a livestream on the side" is a good way to think of it
at the start though you'll need a following on twitch but having a selection of easily watchable clips seems to be really important as well
obviously for literal whos it doesn't matter but when you start getting traction through the youtube algorithm it'll be very important to have that kind of content instead of just 100 2+ hour long vods

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>>1757439
I do think clickbaiting is necessary, but it's only useful to clickbait if you have content. Don't do dumbshit like "omg I kissed gawr gura??" People are obviously gonna cringe at you, but a good clickbait title would be something along the lines of "I beat the hardest game in the world" and it's a video of how you struggling to beat jump king.

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>>1757439

Bits are absolutely not a meme, I agree. This Devin cuck doesnt know what he's talking about.

One of my favorite affiliate level Vtubers(although she's closing in on partner level insanely quickly), got a fucking 100k bit donation from one of her regulars last week.

One thousand fucking dollars. For a goddamn affiliate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1753696
good. less competition for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>1757791
You're right in that the "good" kind of clickbaiting (like your second example) can indeed drive people to your content. However, a large majority of people do the former example and expect to get views.

Let's take the video that spawned this whole thing for example. It's 30 fucking minutes long. Yet all it took for me to get the important parts was skipping around intelligently for about 2 minutes. If he'd cut it down into fast bullet points for a sub 5 minute video, he'd ironically get more views. I almost guarantee that while he does get idiots to click on his clickbait title/thumbnail, he doesn't have good viewer retention on the video itself.

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>>1756724
Thanks for this.
Plus the ability to get subs means people can remove ads altogether for very little money, and subs happen really often. I was gifted one today from a mutual friend who lurks mine and another wvtuber's stream, and she's been affiliate for like 2 weeks. Affiliate also gets you the fun channel perks that assist with branding, which makes you look much more dedicated/professional, and is attractive to viewers as opposed to the myriad fortnite streamers just running their xbox with zero interesting features or graphics

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>>1757876
Oh yeah, he just doesn't care about views or anything. The guy is like a literal millionaire and just livestreams for the luls. He's just a huge numbers nerd and likes listening to himself talk and wants a very specific audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1757937
You know I'm actually curious now to see if he's changed his mind on affiliate after giving subs perks on not seeing ads. I don't believe that was a thing when the adsense changes happened on twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1757937

There's some merit in his advice. I dont think affiliate will do anything for a vtuber that's under 10 average viewers per stream. At 10 you'll start to have a chance at a monthly pay out. It's when you break 20-30 average viewers that affiliate will be worth it. If you join the affiliate program as soon as twitch offers it to you, expect to sink from 30 to 100 dollars in sub badges, emotes, etc etc. It's more money spent out of pocket that you won't see an immediate return on yet because you won't get $100 worth of subs and bits for a few months yet.

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>>1758046
What if you're a ~10 avg viewer vtuber and you made your graphics yourself, entirely?
Also, is there any proof or speculation that partners/affiliates are given more exposure in the browse pages? If the twitch algorithm pushes you to more eyes for being an affiliate, that's worth it. I genuinely don't know if they would do that, though.

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>>1758190

Nope even partners dont get a bump from twitch browsing.

I personally know a twitch partner that stopped making content for a full year, he's back in the game now but his streams dont get any preferential treatment from twitch's search function.

If you're an artist(You lucky bitch) I think there's no reason not to affiliate immediately, other than the hours it'll take you to grind your own emote art out. Have at it, anon.

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>>1758232
Not that anon, but the concept of artists being "lucky" is one I call out every time I see it. Yes, some people are super creative and can make their mind's eye a reality. But they didn't just wake up with the ability to draw/sing/w/e. They had to practice it like any skill. Good ones did their LOOMIS reps and continued doing studies/etc. to continually grow.

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>>1758046
Took me about 3 months from when I started streaming (then got affiliate in a week) to get my first payout. I think it's still useful since channel points allow for more interaction. As for emotes and sub badges, I drew my own like the other anon.

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>>1758305
fair enough, I respect artists and the reps they put in to get to their level of skill

>>1758320
Yeah channel points are useful to keep viewers lurking even when you're having an off day. I follow like 700 vtubers on twitch though, and most have the blandest channel point redeems. You have to put thought into it and think out of the box to get the most out of your channel point redeems.

[Anonymous No.]

Any of you got into any big vtuber company?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758384
Nope, I personally know one who did but I'm not a rrat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758372
>generic ara ara redeem

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>>1758434
I generally hate this kind of redeem except for one instance: 2wintails'. She has a super low redeem version where a text-to-speech program automatically ara ara's just loud enough to pick up but not disrupt her otherwise chaotic content. Her point redeems in general are pretty on point. I've stolen ideas from her shamelessly

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>>1758471

It's not stealing if you pass it on to the rest of us, anon

what stuff works the best for your point redeems?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758434
consensus on
>redeem for streamer to read your text in whatever accent/as whatever character you decide

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758471
>>1758558
I don't hate them if they're done right.

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>>1758372
If any of you are still early on making your model try and think of some feature of it that viewers can interact with for channel points like an ear wiggle if your some kind of animal or some flashing lights if you're a robot or a wizard.

I know veibae lets viewers change costumes for her channel point redemption.

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>>1758556
The confetti popper is probably the easiest example. It's 300 points, and is on a 10 minute cooldown. That means someone new to the stream can instantly redeem it if they follow. The popper is just a green-screened confetti video that's overlayed over top everything else in OBS and set up to auto-trigger on redeem with Triggerfyre. Lasts maybe 7 seconds. Seems simple? That's because it is. The viewers love it and have even started their own memes about it.

Other popular redeems are kind of tabletop-specific so likely wouldn't help you out.

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>>1758372
honestly I've been having trouble figuring out what to do for point redeems.
most of them are stuff that are fairly in character like "go into an impromptu lecture" or "do a fortune reading" or the generic ones like "posture/hydration check" but I really don't know what makes for interesting redeems to viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758858
could do drawing redeems, even if you aren't an artist, some viewers will get a kick out of a shitty doodle

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758858
YMMV but for me it's gonna revolve around points that bring people to my streams in the first place. if they like my rants, maybe redeem for a micro rant about a specified topic. if they like my instrument playing, maybe bang out a solo for a high point redeem. if they're there because my avatar is hot, maybe a temporary lewd costume or changing into something more revealing with an extremely high redeem. small ones should be very quick to resolve and preferably passive such that they don't detract from the stream, since they'll be happening a lot. emote editing also great

[Anonymous No.]

>>1758858
You could do something simple like have an OBS effect that makes your head fat or let twitch or BTTV emotes appear and fade out really quickly somewhere randomly on the stream.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there really an effective way to create good and effective lore for a character?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1745708
because i just find actual moving vtubers more appealing plus i already have a model and rigging so its a bit late to god back now

[Anonymous No.]

>>1759069
go to deviantart and tumblr and search for OC
learn from the MASTERS

[Anonymous No.]

So for anyone who’s got a decent amount of experience in Vtubing, how much do you recommend I move my own head when I’m streaming to make my model move?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1759195

A lot? If you aren't using the full range of motion that your rigger put into your model, you've wasted some money, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1759195
I... never really thought about that at all

[Anonymous No.]

been trying to use だれでもVtuber and it seems pretty straightforward and a step up from png tubing at least, but is there really no way to adjust blink/sway speed? The default settings are a bit too frequent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1756918
all that matters is what you play as a talent under their wing.
Unless you made a political statement against chinese people but if you did so as a vtuber you should kill yourself for bringing politics

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>>1759383
So I should probably practice doing it if I'm not already ddoing it fully?

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>>1760207

Yeah, I think from hololive watame in particular knows the ins and outs of her model's capabilities well and capitalizes on making herself as cute as possible

[Anonymous No.]

Today my views shot up and I checked my analytics, and its all from a russian social media app. Should I pull a Beatani, and learn Russian to appeal to viewers over seas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1760364
use зaдний пpoхoд as your next stream title

[Anonymous No.]

>>1760399
Back pass?

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>>1760227
That's really fair; I've generally just let my talking do the talking, instead of my expressions, but your expressions are just as important as the talking right?

[Anonymous No.]

my HoloEN audition just had someone only watch it for 2 seconds wtf was it that bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>1761068
make and post a vocaroo so we'll know if they decided via voice

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>>1760700

100%, my WVT oshi does this thing where she rocks her body in time to the BGM of the game she's playing and it melts my heart

[Anonymous No.]

Would there be an audience for a daddy type boomer vtuber? That would be the only thing even remotely possible for me, but I'm afraid it'd just be lame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1761988

if your concept is interesting enough with a memorable character design, why not?

tell us your concept/design and we will pass judgment

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>>1762167
First of all, I haven't really thought about this that much because I literally just woke up today with this idea in my head. But I guess the vibe I would go for would be
>earnest but sometimes unintentionally goofy
>non-competitive vidya like strategy games or older RPGs
>singing ok
>drawing
>strongfat avatar with stubble
>gimmick would be being a "strict" daddy type who can't help spoiling the viewers anyway

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>>1762264

So there's a slightly similar concept that exploded recently, look up ugly bastard project on twitter. Mother fucker got an immediate collab with merryweather as soon as he unveiled his model and he exploded on twitter.

I'm imagining something like brian from dream daddy? There's past precedent for fat/thick male vtubers gaining early traction, but I suspect that's mostly because of novelty. There are too many horny twink male vtubers with shit voices. So much so that a fat bastard stands out and gains the likes/follows lol.

We've yet to see one actually maintain a stream with more than 50 average viewers. Ugly bastard is floating around 20-30 right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1762264
Look up Charlie Foxtrot on twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1762494

The captain and kongou are the best vtubers I've seen at not breaking character so far, good shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>1762494
Nice model, too bad his voice doesn't really match well

[Anonymous No.]

>>1761068
How long ago did you submit it?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it weird to WANT porn of your avatar to be made?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764349
not really because it means there's at least one person that thinks you're fuckable, which is good, I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>1764349
Of course not.
Maybe a little bit if you intend to jerk off to it, but having porn made has a ton of positives

[Anonymous No.]

New thread?

[Anonymous No.]

If I were to post a vocaroo, could somebody tell me what's wrong with my setup and what I need to mess with? I know my mic is better than how it sounds and I have a compressor and shit on so it shouldn't be this bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>1766165
theres a couple of soundanons familiar with that stuff but i'd wait for next thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>1766796
Make the new thread. Everyone is clearly too lazy rn

[Anonymous No.]

>>1766862
fine gimmie a sec there's some stuff i need to change in the op

[Anonymous No.]

>>1766946
Would nab some of the links from /wvt/'s OP

[Anonymous No.]

patiently waiting for anon to make the new thread...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1767024
took some of their links and added it to the pastebin
>>1767685
gomen, its up now
>>1767669
>>1767669
>>1767669
new thread