/#/ - numbers thread

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Previous: >>15801253

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General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

[Anonymous No.]

a semi-different reply to the same question, they no longer ask for details

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>>15812379
>more accurate counting
>fails to count thousands of legitimate viewers
wew

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw we were bots all along
beep boop

[Anonymous No.]

The great number culling is a good thing for the whole vtuber industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15812379
another one

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>>15812430
* sends half your legitimate email to an invisible SPAM folder *
>NOTHING PERSONEL, PEONS
That’s the equivalent if this was GMail

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>>15812453
Let's see Paul Allen's numbers

[Anonymous No.]

This one. (sooner, plus not a faggot OP)
Also, Matsuri is getting culled so hard, it's not even funny.
~4k CCV
When her last ones, well..
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/gn_jf1bVnkQ
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/uC43P-ygMoc

[Anonymous No.]

So, Kuzuha shill stream predictions?
Will 5ch finally wake up once he tanks? They didn't seem to notice Kanae and Himawari getting some of the worst streams ever.

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>>15812532
They'll just attribute it to being (League of Legends).
Those niggers won't believe shit until Kuzuha fails to break 10k on something like 10-11pm APEX.

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>>15812495
she is already at 28k$ in sc...

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>>15812570
Apex is considered debuff game now since the top JP streamers decided that it was time to call it boring (and of course they instantly dipped too)

[Anonymous No.]

Looks like the symptom is like this everywhere, it took much longer until the viewership stabilizes compared to how it used to be, and ended up with much lower number

[Anonymous No.]

some preliminary unique chatters/avg ccv numbers. using december solo streams only (no events, shill, singing, totsu, etc.)

Subaru
before 26.65%
after 41.02%
her numbers seem to be pretty consistent throughout december. mainly because she's been pretty much playing yakuza and pokemon on the same slot all month.
using the old ratio, her last free talk stream on new years should have been a 20.2k avg ccv instead of 15.4k

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>>15812482

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I can't stand it anymore. I'm retiring from /#/

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>>15812495
Youtube says the number is more accurate so it must be more accurate. Surely you aren't doubting that each of those 4000 viewers sent an average of about 750 yen in SC?

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>>15812379
It's over for Yagoo and his bot farm

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>>15812607
Look at that subtle off white coloring, the tasteful ratio of likes to views.

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>>15812625
anon, (You) have a really high chance to be a bot in the eyes of susan, doesn't matter what content you watch

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>>15812610
Fucking Nene is a 3view now what the hell

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>>15812610
Chihiro's been hit hard but Aizono seems fine.

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>>15812454
This fag seems talking about vod views and not live viewers

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>>15812379
Why are they so obsessed with getting "accurate" CCV while doing nothing with the VOD views? Almost all monetization is based off views, CCV is really nothing more than a prestige thing.

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>>15812379
>>15812454
Didn't these dipshits want to compete with Twitch for the streaming audience? Yeah, I'm sure making it feel like your streamers audiences is stagnating/reclining is a good move.
Big brained turbomove, Susan!

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>>15812702
this was talking about the wait room

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Watame's stream ccv to like ratio

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>>15812707
Wow anon it's almost like you're on the cusp of a magical realisation that will change your life forever.

[Anonymous No.]

Nene put up a poll. 4.6k votes within 3 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

Looks they're on to it, Nene's poll is over 4000, maybe over 5. when shes under 2K CCV

[Anonymous No.]

Closing in on the 24 hour mark and Towa’s vod views have hit 484k. Assuming it stalls here that puts her above Shion’s birthday level of 462k in the first 24 hours, and Shion hit 88k live viewers. I don’t think Twap got as many live viewers but even discounting this number conservatively we still seem to suggest a number around 80k, a marked improvement and a suggestion of a raw 75% cull.. Her vod views and song release are also mogging the shit out of the other yonkisei so far, so seeing what Luna’s numbers look like will be really interesting to see if the issue that hit Towa is an exception or the future trend.

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If the number bug was real, that means Gura was actually being suppressed during the outfit reveal that almost reached 200k CCVs. I wonder what the actual number was?

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>>15812707
Youtube wants to compete with twitch as the streaming platform (that's why they bought ludwig) to attract more advertisers. But they don't want them to treat youtube as the japanese cartoon streamer platform, so they nerfed ccv but left vod untouched so vtubers couldn't complain because they are technically not losing vod view money

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Nenechi
1400 ccv
4k votes

[Anonymous No.]

>no screenshot
>screenshot of just the poll
good job

[Anonymous No.]

>>15812854
WORKING AS INTENDED

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>>15812707
because it's targeted brand management. the kind youtube routinely engages in and has for years.

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>>15812739
They want the western streamers to succeed, not those cringey anime ones.

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>>15812854
Obviously polls are bugged and triple counting votes

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>>15812854
>>15812828
Include the ccv in the screencap dumbasses

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>>15812829
Ahahahaha...
Yea, Nene's a numberfag, she KNOWS something's wrong after that outfit reveal poll, no reason not to keep pressing the issue with more evidence.
Fucking 200% engagement. NICE SITE YOUTUBE.

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>>15812850
No one benefits from this. YouTube least of all since it also affects their seven figure investment Ludwig

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>>15812876
Well they fucked up on that part too then.

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>>15812854
nene's going to have another menhera breakdown over numbers again isn't she...

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>>15812854
300% participation. Seems legit.

[Anonymous No.]

> cull CCV
> before introducing raiding
what the fuck is youtube even trying to do at this point?

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>>15812876
Yeah they did a good job in that part too by banning ludwig 3 times already lol.

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>>15812707
An interesting question we'll never know the answer to: is Youtube charging advertisers to show ads to those 'spam' viewers? If they are, is the streamer getting their share of that money?

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>>15812950
>what the fuck is youtube even trying to do at this point?
They're doing the needful

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>>15812905
I hope she keeps spamming polls to give us more data

[Anonymous No.]

>>15812950
kill the whole platform I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15812950
It's a change designed to screw vtubers so they don't make other big streamers like Ludwig look bad.

[Anonymous No.]

Susan... save my wife...

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>>15812957
They literally can't leash their AI, it's become an uncontrollable beast of pajeet spaghetti code.

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>>15812950
Different departments, the Gujurat Pajeets are working on higher verified audiences to sell more to advertisers while the Desis are trying to compete with Twotch market share. They don’t talk to each other and probably hate each other.

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>>15812950
They're trying to fuck over vtubers so the anime shit doesn't scare off the normies.

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>>15812835
Already gone up another 1k to 485k. I imagine the vod is going to keep growing a lot in the future since it's the only place to listen to two of her new songs. But even then I agree around 80k peak is a reasonable assumption. Hope Luna does well.

[Anonymous No.]

>Susan has been hololive's greatest ally for years
>a few bad streams
>holofags are very upset but lack self awareness

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>>15812850
How does this help? Wouldn't it just be easier and more beneficial to inflate the views of streamers they favor? As it is it seems they also get their numbers suppressed, albeit possibly not quite as much. it just gives the overall impression that more people are interested in twitch than Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

LUNA HIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
PLEASE 20K!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Guys remember when normies accidentally discovered the negative subsription bug exploited during the peak of Idubbz content cop popularity? And it took youtube fucktons of hours before they fixed it? How can we be sure that its not the same thing happening at the moment?

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>>15813062
>>Susan has been hololive's greatest ally for years
Yeah she really did them a solid with all the shadow bans and the time they were one copyright strike away from the entire company getting permabanned

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Maybe vtubers should just make polls at the start of every stream and let them run the whole time to embarrass youtube until they do something or disable the poll feature.

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>>15813087
No one but 50 schizos on the 4th channel really care about this and can't voice their complaints without using anti-Semitic slurs.

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>>15812950
No one actually knows. The developers just work on shiny new things that get them good points for their next review. Then they move onto some more interesting project or retire at 40 rich as fuck from working at a top tech company.

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>>15813087
We don't for sure.
Tomorrow is the first real 'back on the job' day for burgers since Monday was a holiday (to make up for the new year falling on a weekend).
If by the end of the week NOTHING has been addressed (this is the new normal officially by TeamYT, or "There has been an issue with our live-viewer verification, and we'll be addressing the issue in the coming days"), expect this to the new normal anyways since it was ON PURPOSE and TARGETED since thus far, normie streamers are unaffected.

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>>15813087
I do not remember this I don't really follow that kind of stuff I just remember that guy got laughed off the internet because his girlfriend was doing Onlyfans.

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>>15812854
wait room get, I guess

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>>15813087
The problem is the live view count not showing 50% of the people watching is a bit harder to prove than that. Youtube can always brush it off saying it's just their bot view detector working as intended. It's a bit harder to spin channels having a thousand negative subs as working correctly.

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You know what's the worst part about the whole thing?
The fact that Pekora and Marine will be at around 40K CCV average for 2022 (cause they are still growing like crazy esp. in Japan) and now not only we will have to leave empty handed but also vwhore niggers will act all uppity thinking people got bored of hololive and they are the hot shit right now when this couldnt be further from the truth.

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>>15813155
"We are removing bot subs." EZ

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>>15813062
>greatest ally
>constant demonetizations
>accidental channel deletions
>constant stream-terminations for Mel, Choco and a few others.
>forced Cover's hand to take away the pantsu, and swimsuits because of risk of channel bans.
>constant shadow bans, both of the streamers and their viewers.

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>>15813080
I am sure Hime will at least match Towa's 20k ccv. The culls seem to vary hugely. I suspect Towa was hit harder the most.

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>>15813186
>accidental
hehehehehehehe

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>>15813065
That's hard to code for the google pajeets

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>>15812854
maybe take a screenshot with viewernumber? tweet it at the retards at youtube?

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>>15813080
The state we've been reduced to, begging for 20k...

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>>15813186
ignore the nijinigger, it lacks self awareness

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>>15812875
To many retards. They go as far as to take the screenshot but crop out the context

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>>15813114
>>15813186
>greatest ally is a views merchant fucking you over
truly sounds like the behavior of a greatest ally

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>>15813001
Isn't he also affected though?

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>>15813222
Probably got hit really hard because she had so many guests.

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>>15813265
They'll just reply with a vague essay about how viewer counts are working as intended thanks to their advanced algorithms and actually the poll votes are just from her having 300% viewer churn in 2 minutes, you can't prove otherwise

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Is the last samurai guy okay? Did he off himself after seeing Gura's numbers?

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>>15813310
Hololive is losing views and Youtube is trying to cover it up in the name of "creator liberties" with a new system called the "Universal Stream Scraper"! Google USS Liberty to find out more!

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>>15813313
No. He hit 25k in his last stream: https://playboard.co/en/video/_GFSfGDj6iE

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>>15813119
Letting them run the whole time doesn't prove anything since many people enter and leave the stream. They should do polls that last exactly two minutes after the 30 minute mark when the CCV has stabilized.

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>>15813065
>How does this help? Wouldn't it just be easier and more beneficial to inflate the views of streamers they favor? As it is it seems they also get their numbers suppressed, albeit possibly not quite as much. it just gives the overall impression that more people are interested in twitch than Youtube.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTsUMJz3i3Q
It's working as intended

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>>15813387
meeanwhile gura averaged 10-15k viewers and once her vod died it had 250k views

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>>15813250
Yes? If they'd want to delete the channel they'd probably not restore it afterwards and waste their corporate support's time.

There is literally no reason for YT to delibaretely try to bully anyone from the platform. Any such attempt would just drive the content creators to use other platforms, and would ruin their reputation to boot.

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>>15812656
Oh my god, it even has letterboxing

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah this looks natural I guess

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>>15812495
Wasn't she planning to drop apex altogether since her fans didn't like it that much anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

Holocels... esto es el fin

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>>15813412
>Likes hidden
So are these guys not getting culled? It's literally just Jewtube targeting vtubers because they hate anime shit?

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>>15813001
I don't get why they won't just lean into something that's already organically popular on their platform. Forcing shit on people like this never worked for them before, and it won't work now.

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When using polls for your advanced tinfoil hat analysis, don't forget that on Twitch, polls average 30-40% participation, so 250% of the viewers voting is actually about 6x as many votes as you would typically expect

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>>15813464
Every mario kart stream has waves like that

[Anonymous No.]

This is what Susan wants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTsUMJz3i3Q

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>>15813469
Gacha is okay, since it's gacha + a match or two to show it off.

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>>15813080
if any Lunaito here is a discordfag I know some of you are /here/ get them to refresh the stream after the waiting room starts, and open another private window with the stream as well.
Since Youtube considers us bots now, might as well live up to their "classification".

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>>15813472
The more niche a thing is, the stronger the cull should be. That's by design, since niche things will always have the same select people watching the streams, so once they get flagged the whole thing is fucked. Also, for niche things, the viewers are more likely to behave in a "spammy" way and get flagged.

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>>15813472
Its not. It's accounts being marked as suspicious, with vtuber fans affected more perhaps due to them sticking to watching a limited number of channels. Ludwig did a poll as well and had way more responses than viewers

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>>15813506
So real numbers = poll voters * 3? Nene would have 12k viewers then.

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>>15813476
Stop believing everything you read on this site.

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>>15813476
>Forcing shit on people like this never worked for them before, and it won't work now.
More of your identity is shaped by big tech than you'd like to think anon. Youtube is well beyond the point of needing to jump on organic trends, they control the trends, as does Twitter, Facebook and all other social media.
https://youtu.be/NvJ2uYN8qtg

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>>15813412
muted nene instead of roberu by accident but you get the idea, their chat was pure spam too, you can see the repeated messages
https://streamable.com/nuhaze

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>>15813547
>normal user behaviors = bots
I can believe this. YT is really trash.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHdyOAM8r

noooo flare

[Anonymous No.]

Leftists always had a problem with anime but why?

[Anonymous No.]

Can the conspiracytards fuck off so we can actually discuss things that are quantifiable and probable rather than what the spirits in your head told you.

[Anonymous No.]

Last testing I do for YouTube Premium

https://streamable.com/9jpprg Incognito tab and premium/non premium in another window
I had window with premium highlighted reason the view count went back to 0 after 1min on the incognito tab. I then had to wait about 1min to get the view counted again. Then I switched two the non premium on the premium tab and both views were counted.


Pretty much from the 3 hours I wasted testing.
1. Premium never got counted as a viewer.
2. As long as your on the video for at least 1sec your view gets counted if you switch tabs. But if you take longer than 1min on another tab your view gets removed.
3. Switching back to the tab, I had to wait about 1min for my view to be counted again.
4. It took around 15-30sec for my view to be counted when I clicked on a stream.

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>>15813600

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>>15813601
Wow, really fucked upy my link there

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxHdyOAM8rw

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>>15813522
i did some digging
apparently this is a channel by some famous dude
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kazunari_Ninomiya

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813472
The strawberry faggots also got culled and they are not even vtubers i think is anime shit in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813600
Doesn't seem like leftism is related to anything here in anyway. Besides anime is mainstream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813604
It's quantifiable that Youtube is fucking Hololive over and very probable the Jews are behind it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813587
Based Nene and son watcher

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>>15813464
It's the usual Marika stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813615
nice data, the 1 minute focused on tab seems reasonable

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813633
Source? Your persecution complex?

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>>15813600
Because they have a strangle hold over the very popular American media and use it to push the message, but not over Asian shit. Simple as

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>>15813589
Put yourself in Youtube's shoes.
>tens of thousands of accounts that watch the same channels every day for 12 hours a day
>spam the same emojis in chat
>same IP viewer usually has multiple streams open from the same channels as the other viewers

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>>15813616
Just you wait youtube
Just you wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813615
good work anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813666
>they subscribe to the same 5 channels that have no content at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813644
The only unusual part is that AT LEAST HALF THE VIEWERS ARE MISSING.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813666
This is the exact same behavior that the average Twitch viewer would show, although I can certainly believe that Google are completely out of touch with how their user base behaves

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813666
as long as you have a verified gmail account with activity there's 0 logic why it should be flagged as illegitimate

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>>15813576
>they control the trends
They think they do, but the evidence is clearly for them not knowing what the fuck is happening on their own platforms 99% of the time.
Protip: there is no master manipulators, just arrogant dumb fucks with more money than sense at the wheel.

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>>15813615
good work anon
any plans to tag youtube support? they might notice if it's a premium user

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813698
It is, which is why Ludwig was also affected. Lucky for them this happened before they managed to poach more Twitch talent

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>>15813663
Do you have a source on that?
Source?
A source. I need a source.
Sorry, I mean I need a source that explicitly states your argument. This is just tangential to the discussion.
No, you can't make inferences and observations from the sources you've gathered. Any additional comments from you MUST be a subset of the information from the sources you've gathered.
You can't make normative statements from empirical evidence.
Do you have a degree in that field?
A college degree? In that field?
Then your arguments are invalid.
No, it doesn't matter how close those data points are correlated. Correlation does not equal causation.
Correlation does not equal causation.
CORRELATION. DOES. NOT. EQUAL. CAUSATION.
You still haven't provided me a valid source yet.
Nope, still haven't.

[Anonymous No.]

Thank you for not culling Luxiem Susan. Holobronies seethe & cope. Nijichads are here to stay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813702
Some people probably make a new gmail account only for vtubers (I do)

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>>15813698
>Want Twitch's viewers
>Spend a hundred million dollars buying Twitch streamers
>Do everything else on earth possible to not count Twitch-like viewers as legitimate
Sounds very YouTube actually.

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>>15813080
She will be lucky to get 15k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813615
based, nice detective work anon
now, can we use these pieces of evidences and send them to team youtube or an influencer or something?

[Anonymous No.]

The only Holos that can consistently break 5k (in non-SC reading streams) in the current meta:
Miko
Suisei
Fubuki
Ayame
Subaru
Shion (?)
Aqua (?)
Korone
Pekora
Rushia
Marine
Chloe
La+ (?)
Gura
Ina
Mori
Ame (?)
Kronii (?)

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>>15813702
The YouTube algorithm probably doesn't have access to that information due to generally not needing it as well as for privacy reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

unironically I think bait threads using culled numbers and insulting the new "low viewer" chuubas as "OH NO NO RECLINING" might actually be the best way to get the normalfags involved.
Youtube isn't gonna do shit without those zombies up in arms.

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>>15813615
Try sharing your evidence on some normie site if you can
>I'm watching the first stream of a friend and I noticed that...
and tell them that it's pretty discouraging for them

[Anonymous No.]

13K+ waiting that's 35K minimum normally

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813629
sounds like cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>15812379
Youtube-kun...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813615
>1. Premium never got counted as a viewer.
>pay youtube
>never get counted as viewer
WOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813615
Apparently youtube doesn't know what multiple monitors are for fuck's sake

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813730
This but unironically. Your claim was that it is quantifiable.

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>>15813784
Got up to 18k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813722
They seemed pretty dismissive of the previous Premium user to call them out but it never hurts making more noise about it. Unlike dislikes being removed this directly involves money and they can't spin it any other way.

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>>15813791
If someone finds out Premium money hasn't been divvied up correctly because of this "bug" Youtube are in deep shit. Legit class action lawsuit material.

[Anonymous No.]

18k to 2.5k
it's over...

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>>15813777
Why would google give a fuck about privacy reasons
They already track what you do in your phone if you have any app installed and gmail and youtube are sharing the same umbrella
They have many ways they could tell human from false behavior the pajeets they hire are just fucking incompetent and full of bad ideas

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>>15813799
fuck the recovery is so slow...
it wont get 10k...

[Anonymous No.]

18000 -> 2400 DORYAAAAAAAAAA

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>>15813600
they need to learn Japanese in order to take over the anime industry and leftists are obviously too lazy to do that, so all they have left is seething and petty bullshit like this.
How much do you bet some blue haired twitch bitch is creaming herself reading this entire thread?

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>>15813704
>there is no master manipulators, just arrogant dumb fucks
I believe it's a mix of both. They obviously try to manipulate and control as much possible. Just because they aren't successful every time doesn't mean they don't try. That's what the entire datamining/advertising industry is.

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>>15813812
Interestingly this lines up more or less exactly with poll participation being 250% rather than the expected ~35%

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813736
Your "Nijichads" didn't come close to Bae's actual viewership. Keep huffing that copium Nijinigger.

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>>15813802
last one I saw had more of an angry confrontational tone to it, which most support teams are trained to ignore since they make up the majority of false alarms.

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>>15813798
What? That Youtube isn't counting 50% of more of viewers and including them in the live viewer count? Yes. It's very quantifiable, check the polls since the New Year, check stream CCVs both early December and currently and compare, look at number of chat participants compared to CCV and compare in early December and now. Just go back and read the last few threads

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>>15813522
what is this kpop? All the comments are in moonrunes, it's not attracting any English speakers, so this would have got what it's getting regardless of whether vtubers are culled or not.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope management of these agencies let chuubas know the numbers are fake

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813615
sounds like using 2 different browsers might help with point 2 and 3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813876
Random nips watching TV host

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813727
He wasn't though: >>15813387

[Anonymous No.]

.... not even 7k
bros i fear Luna 3D numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813876
Famous Japanese guy who has a channel with 3 male idols
See >>15813621 youtube section

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813858
>Mysta
>Rias
>Mystarias
Even their names are ESL as fuck. SEANIGGERsanji.

[Anonymous No.]

AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Luna please save us

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813823
Government regulations mostly. But you're right, privacy is not the biggest reason. More like there's no reason for Google's internal APIs to provide all information about an user since if it's not needed it's just a waste of space and less importantly a potential privacy violation in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

The cull is 60-70% now I guess. By sunday it could reach 90%, these fucking idiots won't be able to ignore it anymore.

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>>15813876
Johnny is a talent agency in Japan, these are boy band members under their management. Definitely being botted though since this is the exact situation where kpopesque shenanigans happen and comments are a tenth of what you see from similar sized viewership stuff like hikakin

[Anonymous No.]

S-Surely it reaches 10k, right

[Anonymous No.]

all of them meets kson today huh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813966
Its also ultra weird
3 million subs but 300k live viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813860
Might want to read the response thread to see what you're responding to.

[Anonymous No.]

>all those hopes snd dreams for huge Gura 3D NUMBERS, shattered...
I'll ngmi bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813859
It'll help for more people to speak up in a variety of tones then. Premium viewers not counting as viewers and actually losing content creators money is not a good look for Youtube, far worse than dislike removal since it then becomes legit fraud.

[Anonymous No.]

Nene just polled btw. >100% 1 min

I think cover is upto something

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813966
>real bots are viewed as legitimate
>meanwhile real users are viewed as bots
FUCK SUSAN AND FUCK PAJEETS

[Anonymous No.]

So 7k = 30k? It's not that easy right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813980
>It's quantifiable that Youtube is fucking Hololive over
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813905
He was. He commented on poll numbers being higher. Just having a high viewer number doesn't mean he's not affected.

[Anonymous No.]

Pol on Nenes stream
2x as many votes as views in 3 minutes...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813989
POST THE SCREENSHOT OF THE POLL WITH THE VIEWER NUMBERS

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813965
that one anon had the right idea. current numberfagging isn't to predict how high the number can go, it should be how low a gold worthy stream should be

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813978
Jpopstan viewerbase, who were kpopstans before kpop.

[Anonymous No.]

this shit ain't passing 10k jesus christ

[Anonymous No.]

>we will start handing out golds to waiting rooms

[Anonymous No.]

Nenechi blessing us with another poll

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814005
The topic was motive anon. I.e. wanting to specifically hide HL viewers. Keep up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814022
this isn't a cliff anymore, it's fucking Mariana trench

[Anonymous No.]

5k 200% viewers get

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814046
>another poll
Nene is in full numberfag mode lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814021
I get that but these are 4 famous lads and their channel had vlogged since April of 2021
They can get 200 to 300k live viewers but not more than 3 million to hit a subscribe button?
Thats super inconsistent statistically

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813966
Johnny's channel should not get culled because it's relatively new (?). In another case Sutopuri (male idol group) channel was affected by the cull too.

[Anonymous No.]

>Luna 3D
>47 minutes remaining
>2k waiting

[Anonymous No.]

at 2.5k views
was at 4k 2 minutes in

[Anonymous No.]

ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814040
Except I never said Youtube is ONLY fucking over Hololive, only that they ARE fucking over Hololive. We already know that plenty of indies are caught up in it too, as well as Niji so I don't need to justify anything regarding motive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814015
Here's one I caught.
2422 CCV
2432 votes in under a minute. Forgive low res.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814063
Do this >>15814046 instead of cropping out the relevant info

[Anonymous No.]

So if difficult waiting room recovery is one of the signs of culling. Wasn't there a Rosemi stream in december who suffered the same pattern? It might be one of the earliest cases of the cull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814022
I'm guessing it will hit the 30 minute hard plateau at just under 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814067
>>15814063
Capped out at 5.9k votes for 2.5k viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814067
So if we assume 50% of viewers responded to the poll, which is very generous Nenechi has a real viewercount of around 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814089
Whoops I'm logged in, ah well I love my wife

[Anonymous No.]

so we multiply per 4 to get a rough idea of the viewcount ok I get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814087
Yeah, is it possible that YT uses NijiEN as a testbed for this cull?

[Anonymous No.]

>we care about the health of our creators that's why we don't do anything about spam bots, antis and harassement but will shadowban legitimate viewers. Working as intended. Don't need to thank us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814094
i dont think the 50% applies to hololive fans
BUT she probably has 30% more than that poll make it look.
So arounnd 7k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814025
Waiting rooms are unironically a better reference of actual viewership at this point. The problem is capturing the exact top value for the waiting room since it tends to spike drastically just before the stream starts, so holostats could easily miss the peak value by a huge ammount.

[Anonymous No.]

does gold medal for this month onward invalidated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814056
They actually got 1m sub in the first week and then flatlined from there until the present. So i wouldnt be surprised if a big chunko of that viewer base is bots. The comment number is a tenth of hikakin who is at the moment streaming to about 32k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814087
We might not even be dealing with the consequences single change here but multiple. Shadowbans + randomly slower viewer validation + god knows what else Youtube decided to change behind the scenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814087
>In december
just look at the one she did today took like 10-15min to recover and never passsed 2k unlike her other 2 FNAF streams. Also a pretty uncontested slot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814069
If you're not assigning motive to what's happening then why are you responding in this thread with some anon claiming the whole thing is a Jewish conspiracy?

[Anonymous No.]

here is another "bot" behavior
>be watching one stream
>stream ends
>immediately open another stream of the same <<family>>

[Anonymous No.]

Kanata, poll onegai, my body aches for validation

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814125
Waiting rooms used to be the floor though. People would filter in over the first 20 mins of a stream. So we really have no idea how many people are watching. Kanata's stream is at 8.5k viewers right now when she had a waiting room of 20k so precull we'd expect her to have something like 24-28k by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814153
Youtube should adjust their algorithm to Vtubers audience behavior then

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3TVNnwtvn8
40 mins for King mobile LoL. Predict the peak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814153
>illegal view funneling was truly illegal all along
You chose this future, /#/

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814132
>1 million in the first week
No celebrity in the world can force this without corporate backing or paying for it
This is such sad shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814190

[Anonymous No.]

Thank god this thread discovered Namibia. Relaxing with Oryx-chan is the only thing preventing me from having a mental breakdown due to these culls. Seeing my oshi Miko get one of the only 2M+ view streams in Hololive history also helped!!

Watch Oryx-chan

https://youtu.be/ydYDqZQpim8

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814145
It's obvious it's the Jews, it's always the Jews. Why the Jews are doing it is an entirely different question. Don't get so offended Schlomo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814190
5K

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814180
kek, the will never acknowledge that there are different types of audiences. Main reason being they would have to admit they were wrong at some point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814087
The Rosemi stream was weird. It was really hyped up, got a big waiting room, and then got significantly delayed so that the maximum possible audience was already in the waiting room when it started, instead of being able to incline normally. On top of that the actual stream was awkward and scuffed and probably made at least some people leave or mute it. Net result was it took the whole stream to hit the waiting room number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814201
I'm watching this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01bYvIRNRGY
to feel better

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814190
Less than 10k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814178
That's why I said reference, not estimate. The culling is all over the place, which makes comparing different streams almost pointless, but looking at waiting room numbers at leaves gives an even picture across streams, at least as far as the cull effect is concerned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814094
Yes. Honestly if you quadruple every holo's stream this afternoon, it looks normal.
>Nene 10k
>Watame 12k
>Matsuri Apex Gacha 16k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814190
here's a new one

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814252
more like around 2-3x

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814217
the "only watch streams in the 'family'" and "all move from one streamer to another" behavior is exactly how viewers of the popular clique on Twitch behave too

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814268
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814190
>600 waiting
Pfhahaha...5ch nijikeks are about to get a rude awakening

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814252
This also seems to coincide with my estimate of towa’s anniversaryreal numbers. Maybe 4x is the way to go for “core holo” streams (vs ones with high tourist count)

[Anonymous No.]

Kanata is still very slowly ticking up toward 10k. She'll make it

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible this thing spirals out of control and more and more accounts get flagged for consistently associating with other "bots" and "botted channels", to the point people are getting 1k views and 10k on polls? Where it's so comically bad youtube is forced to address it? Or can they halt it short of that point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814281
And youtube pajeet coders are incompetent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814252
So would Kanata have 40k viewers now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814281
Those are moved automatically. Then 90% of the raid fucks off. It's almost the opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814268
I'm gonna kneel to him just this one time for giving us these horribly out of context tweet

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814296
Definitely seems possible. Don't follow numbers consistently but haven't the live viewers steadily fallen since early December?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814296
Maybe, the peaks are getting lower and lower with each passing day, so the self learning IA is making a mess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814296
Unironically accelerating and getting to this point is the ONLY way Youtube would even notice this problem.
I WANT that 100CCV peko stream, just to see the sheer chaos of it and what that would do to Youtube and the /nothere/ holo community.

[Anonymous No.]

>Gen3+ Gen4 + Gen5 off-collab not even hit 10k in 25 mins
Let's fucking gooooooo!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814320
She had 20k waiting so seems likely. 30k at the very least.

[Anonymous No.]

So any ideas on why this is being done?
Are some types of viewers like people who are tabbed out or swapping channels not as helpful for advertisers so they decided not to count them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814342
Guaranteed that at that point Pekora will open a stream on Twitch and stream there instead.

[Anonymous No.]

Numbers are funny to me now, all I can do is laugh now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814357
Probably runaway code that someone pushed into production that got forgotten about over the holidays. Someone probably changed how the ad views were counted not realizing the ccv counts call on the same metric perhaps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814357
The algorithm can't differentiate bots and fanatic fans because they behave very similar

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814296
https://blog.youtube/inside-youtube/innovation-series-gaming/
Look how proud they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814326
Raids from one vtuber to another might actually hold onto a higher percentage of raid viewers than normal streams tend to do. Which may actually be an underrated tool for twitch vtubers. It could possibly be even higher for Holo vtubers if they were hypothetically on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814357
>set some conditions to flag bots
>those conditions are met in vtuber streams
>having the same behavior as previously flagged bots gets you flagged too
>things snowball

[Anonymous No.]

Meanwhile
>Shiro hit 2.5k
.LIVE CHADS LETS FUCKING GO THE INCLINE IS COMING

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814343
>ISRAEL
Wtf?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814399
>the illegal view funneling becomes legal

[Anonymous No.]

10k get, halfway to weaiting room number

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814296
That is actually the ideal case.
If it's halted to where it is NOW, it's BAD BAD, because CCV is fucked, but not so bad that it's at "can't be ignored by outsiders" state.
If you get 1k viewership, 10k polls in 2 minutes and have chat that moves like you have 15k viewers?
Oh man as a tech journo I'd be firing up my word doc and calling up people ASAP for a juicy expose. I even have a title for it "Youtube Livestreaming is FUNDAMENTALLY BROKEN"
or some other clickbaity as shit title that's sure to get normies and others to react to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814357
All those people still count for VODs, which is what advertisers actually pay on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814320
It's possible. She has 18k waiting room

[Anonymous No.]

10K get. Fuck this is such a sad timeline we are in numberbros.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814412
So Gura got 13k earlier on DBD and she probably wasn't even close to 30k, but this definitely is at least 30k and can barely make it to 12k before it ends. The cull is getting worse bros, much worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814343
Kanata's debuff is too strong

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814320
Laplus alone is worth 20k viewers pre-cull so yes. It should be a 40k waiting room for Luna

[Anonymous No.]

DO A FUCKING POLL KANATA

[Anonymous No.]

While the 'user accounts flagged as spam and not counting for CCV' theory has the most support, it doesn't explain a couple phenomena that people have noticed. Namely the incredibly slow verification rate (updates being in low double digit numbers even with large waiting rooms) or the far more smooth curves compared to the spiky behavior you'd expect with streams like DBD.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/ui_shig/status/1478292273750482944
if Ui doesn't 10k+, then there's even more evidence for us

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814425
Not every VOD view is worth the same. Some VOD views are not monetized but still counted as VOD view

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814357
>Advertisers ask what YouTube is doing to make sure that the live viewers numbers are not inflated
>"Uhh I guess we don't do much actually, I'll make a ticket"
>Ticket is picked up years later
>Implementation done, testing it is impossible though so it's just deployed to production
>Dev gets good marks on their review for implementing a "groundbreaking algorithm" for detecting bot accounts.
>They fuck off to some other FAANG that poaches them with even more than their current 200k per year salary
Here's how it happened

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814441
Oh yes, please get worse.
Unironically, ACCELERATE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814343
>Gen5
anon...do your number reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814480
Not faang anymore its now manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814397
>Look at how successful these features are with our creators
nigga, Holos and Nijis run this shit to the ground, there's not even a contest
>she (Valkyrae) stressed the importance of having a Subscriber-only Chat feature to better the Live Chat experience for both her and her fans.
nigga this feature was non-existent and chinks could spam 10 messages per second on holos chat, hell, Valk's chat is fucking slow, actually 1 message every 5 seconds, why would she need that feature?
>Other creator feedback helped develop Clips, a feature that lets viewers share the best moments from their favorite creators’ live streams
literally the worst implemented new feature, I have NEVER seen anyone use it, neither I have ever recieved a "dude, look at this clip", the only time I saw it being used was on the thing that they asked on twitter to do clips from Gura and Kuzuha

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814441
Gura has 13k on her waiting room

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814425
which doesn't make sense since the changes were supposed to counteract bots. so CCV is decreased but every other metric stays the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814441
eh maybe..
It might also just be that the viewers of the collab are unironically more overlap viewers. I.e. watches multiple holos back to back during a day of streaming, making it more likely they are flagged as a bot by youtube's pajeet code.
It's well known Chumbuds only watch gura, so the same would not apply to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814441
Gura's last DBD was 17k, today's 13k should be just another 15k~20k Gura's stream as usual without the 2nd cull.

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube need to re-do account verification for all users starting from now. Need to get rid of this bot flag from our account

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814407
I KNEEL DOLPHIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814576
Lol, not gonna happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814529
Their livestreaming management doesn't give a shit about anything that doesn't overlap with the Western Twitch audience, never has. They're focused on fighting Twitch by becoming them (only in all the wrong ways though) instead of capitalizing on what they already have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814201
>Miko Oshi
Lel here's something for you

>Mikkorone part 1
>2.2M views
>823 chats per minute
>35k avg/48k peak

>Mikkorone part 2
>2.2M views
>1244 chats per minute
>22k avg/28k peak

With those vod views both would've easily gotten >60k+ averages pre Desember 2021 cull.
Which means Miko potentially lost about 450k watch hours, that is about half of what she had racked throughout December.

All those preps she did sacrificing lots of rest and stream time in December, only to net watch hours less than some FBK fishing sessions that are half the length she streamed

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814022
I think the more people in the waiting room the more cut

[Anonymous No.]

THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE BIGGEST STREAMING PLATFORM IN THE WORLD!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814628
Imagine if this shit happened when Pekora was grinding hours watched to try and get to #1 on the Stream Hatchet rankings

[Anonymous No.]

>losing viewers already
it's fucking OVER

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814708
sweet jesus save us.

[Anonymous No.]

>Collab with Rushia, Kanata, Laplus, Iroha and Chloe couldn't get 11k
Numberbros

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814708
At least they hit 10k

[Anonymous No.]

I thought Gura's number was low but this collab is even lower lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814739

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814739
what was last year's number?
I need to see it to cope...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814754
As a self professed 'enfag', this is absolutely ridiculous. a 6 man off-collab in NO way should be beaten by 'just another dbd stream'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814739
luna hime.... im losing hope

[Anonymous No.]

If Youtube don't like what the live viewer counter is saying why don't they simply use the same approach they used with dislikes and make it invisible

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814708
There are more accounts being marked as bots with each passing minute. I feel sorry for Luna's live...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814793
because they need to showcase the success of the streamers they buy from twitch and twitch doesn't have a VOD watching culture so everything they have is CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814628
Yep, that is a damn shame. We won't be seeing anymore Hololive members on the most watched streamer list if this keeps up. But perhaps that was the entire point of the culls. Can't have the anime women mogging that list after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814739
Strongest SC earner + Strongest gen 4 + top 3 gen 6 collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814754
I'd Imagine Gura has actually consistently mogged JP in live viewers for the past year, and the higher vod views were the actual metric we should've been looking at all along.

[Anonymous No.]

>Viewcount slowly creeps up to 10,950
>Gets culled back down to 10,890
This is so fucking lame

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814765
30k
Guests: Suisei, FBK, Choco, Noel, Coco, Towa

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814765
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/OIn-9KcsbHI

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814851
It hit the cap!!

Reminds me of Miko's segment of the 24 hour stream. It hit 25k and then stayed there for over an hour without fluctuating too much. Really bizarre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814826
Pekora can still get top 5 even with this cull. Actually with the current state of things I'd be surprised if she didn't. If things get worse then it might be a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814754
>>15814739
AIIIEEE SAVE US PEKORA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814826
if it is actually consistently targeting vtubers and nobody else then you have a great angle for making normies mad about it:
>Youtube is engaging in targeted discrimination against women and Asians

[Anonymous No.]

El ma o
Quick Kanata call your neighbour to increase the number!

[Anonymous No.]

>11k get
Every extra 1k feels like an achievement now.

[Anonymous No.]

Well seeing as this culling situation isn't going to be fixed we better start saying hello to the new face of Vtubers for the future.

[Anonymous No.]

Cam on Kanata! MAKE A FAKKIN POLL

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814872
In all fairness, those are some way bigger name holos

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814931
Until that actually happens, you'd best not bring it up since you'll just get dismissed as someone with an agenda.

[Anonymous No.]

Could hachama dropping to 3-4K streamer before anyone else be because her fanbase are a bunch of spammy schizos. Besides one 67k just chatting stream, her vod views stayed healthy.

[Anonymous No.]

Just have to ask but is there really no one here who works at youtube?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814930
Doubt it. The reason why pekora is in that list is because she have an ccv lead over other female streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814941
Unironically that advice would work because zhang bots will boost numbers better than regular simps

[Anonymous No.]

this is it, our chance, if kuzuha gets a really shitty number we are up to a fujo uprising against YT

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814839
Probably something like that. I imagine Gura's "real" number was something close to what Pekora was getting, seeing as they have very similar ending VODs. This is before including the extend VOD gain Gura always gets which are people that obviously weren't watching live. This change seems to have brought EN and JP into rough parity as far as how bad they're getting culled, JP just got to dodge the bullet for an extra year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814951
We all know fake numbers mean nothing now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814994
You need to have the bots operating at the start of the stream though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814967
lol no

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814972
Still SEAnigger hours. The thread needs fat west coast burgers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814994
Well she has another neighbour

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815011
Fujos-sama...save us from Susan...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814930
No she can't. It's hours watched which is average CCV multiplied by hours streamed. There's no way to make the top 5 if your average is only 15k, which is looking like it will be for Pekora in an absolutely best case scenario. Miko had 18k average CCV and still missed out on top 5 in Q4.

Unless Pekora starts doing 8 hour endurance streams every single day it's over. She has no way to actually get the CCV needed to make the list.

Just another reason accurate CCV actually does matter, awards like this hinge on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814972
statistically speaking, there should be, most of their engineers are awake

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815011
Kuzuha please get 5k...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815011
Anon, Kanae got his lowest number ever yesterday.
>2.6k
His second last before that was 4k, and his lowest valorant on Youtube, 5k

Kuzuha will add another datapoint (and shock value)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815011
I will kneel to Kuzuha eternally if he saves us from the Youtube menace. Number bros, now is the time. We must united. Give the KING your power!

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora is going to "take a break" today or do Twitch isn't she?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814972
I remember someone who claims he does in the YouTube subreddit, maybe you can find some there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815011
> imagine a sub 2k Kuzuha stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814739
You are aware that youtube is fucked up with live viewership right? I'm pretty sure it doesn't count viewers that were in the waiting room and there were 13k viewers there.

[Anonymous No.]

>2.5k waiting
It's over

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815105
Even if it was required to save my life I would never watch Kuzushit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815081
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815123
has he ever gotten a CCV that low?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815105
pretty sure my bot behavior is so shitty that I would take numbers away watching him

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815059
I've been telling you retards their calculated "watched-hours" doesn't mean shit, they must have 2x to 4x those numbers when checking their channel analytics

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815138
Yes I am aware. I'm lamenting it.

[Anonymous No.]

chihiro seems unaffected just like fubuki

Do you think the suscribe moide only has anything to do with?
Any other holo uses it right now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815168
We've seen the channel analytics and they report the exact same number as what we see. Channel owners get no special insight into the cull.

[Anonymous No.]

Luna 3D might even be under 1k...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815106
She will only stream big event now because she's a numberfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815195
>just like fubuki

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815081
Pajeet code is a meme by autists from /g/ that can't pass behavioural interview questions. There's a literal industry built around former big tech devs teaching others how to pass interviews for the top companies, that's how much harder it is to get in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815195
Make it hard to spam posts?

[Anonymous No.]

>1.3k viewers
NOOO LUNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815212
Won't be surprised if she is browsing the jp numberfag threads at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

I genuinely don't think this will break 12k, I want nothing more than to be proven wrong and laughed at

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815106
She's definitely noticed the fuckery going on by now and is negotiating to stream on Twitch until it's fixed as we speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814974
>>15815059
Check the stats retards. Saddummy is weak. Pekora is top 2 because her CCV is way above, but even nerfed CCV she can get top 5. A 14k average CCV last 30 days would still give her a decent shot at top 5 as long as she streamed enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815206
Just barely above, I fucking hate Susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815197
retardchama, channel owners can see their real watched-hours, which includes those filtered by spamviewers + vod watchers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815146
the fact that this is even within the realm of possibility is a testament to just how much of a bitch Susan is

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815195
Chihiro is affected though. She usually gets more than this for Apex

[Anonymous No.]

>Kuzuha's CCV actually went UP from the waiting room
What the fuuuuuuuck

[Anonymous No.]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the recovery rate is the same as Kanatan stream
fuuuuuccckkkkkkkkk

[Anonymous No.]

Kuzuha waiting room: 4k, culled immediately to 2k

[Anonymous No.]

>Kuzuha doing faster than Luna
it's over, this will never get fixed

[Anonymous No.]

HIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815290
He has a lot of viewers that only watch him and thus don't get flagged

[Anonymous No.]

I checked chihiro's graphs but she doesn't have the waiting room cull. Does she put up a waiting room? Any nijifans can enlighten us?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815266
No they can't, we've seen Ludwigs and his watched hours is exactly the same as the ones calculated by external sites. Channel owners do not get to see what percentage of their viewers are culled, there would be no need for the Holos to be polling their audience if they could.

[Anonymous No.]

HOLOS WILL NOT GET 20K STREAM TODAY
HAHAHAHAHAAHA

[Anonymous No.]

No no, Luna is going to hit 20k at least. This looks doable. It will be ok. Look at how steep the curve is.

[Anonymous No.]

Losing to a shill stream hahahahaha

[Anonymous No.]

>>15813385
>check wikipedia
>signals intelligence, Gaza, Egypt, USSR, communications interceptions, multiple plausible motives
we really do live in a bass boosted GOTYE lore
youtube.com/watch?v=WfJ-GKg2ebE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815297
>>15815305
He's recovering alright, but look at the shape of the cull. He'll likely stall at some point

[Anonymous No.]

Hime...happy anniversary....

[Anonymous No.]

what was luna's waiting room?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815345
yep, and this was confirmed by their twitter account, someone asked them exactly this, there's no way to know "how many spam viewers" you have

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815362
Cope
:(

[Anonymous No.]

even the usual niji shitpost doesn't feel the same anymore...

[Anonymous No.]

>Anniversary 3D live starts at 5k
It's over

[Anonymous No.]

He recovered his waiting room number quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815370
You can see it turning assymptotically to 6k, 7k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815395
Kuzuha would have likely beaten Luna anyway, but the fact that neither of them have 10k is absurd

[Anonymous No.]

Can't believe they're doing my girl Luna-Hime like this. They've gone to far...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815345
lol show your numbers seaschizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815380
9706 according to holostats

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815287
https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCLO9QDxVL4bnvRRsz6K4bsQ
Her number looks normal for me

[Anonymous No.]

WHAT THE FUCK ARE THIS FUCKING GRAPHS
it's literally parallel lines

[Anonymous No.]

Come on Luna!!! BEAT THE FAGGOT!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>the combined might of Rushia, Kanata, Laplus, Noel, Iroha and Chloe could not beat Gura playing DbD
This has to be some proof that the stronger a sololiver you are the less the cull hits you. Gura and Pekora have taken a hit but they weren't literally slaughtered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815370
That pattern is worrying. He won't be able to get past 10k

[Anonymous No.]

Rrat: clicking on that namibia stream automatically flags you as bot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815266
There are screenshots from 3 different YT streamers posted in past threads that show their YT creator page, none of them shows ccvs that are different from the ccv reported on the video page or public API.
Watch hours metric has always been non-public, none of the market analyst publishers use that data for that exact reason. That's why they use avg ccv to begin with

[Anonymous No.]

>Luna can't beat the KING streaming fucking League of Legends
KING I KNEEL

EVERYONE KNEEL

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815445
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to fucking murder Susan for what she did to my hime.
This isn't a threat, this is a promise.
Tell the FBI

[Anonymous No.]

Are we really gonna get 14k nijinoon for Gold?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815345
watched-hours don't show the percentage of the viewers who are getting culled, seamonkey, they simply show the full unfiltered number, just like vod views do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815420
Face it, the age of the Holobots is over. The chink buff has been wiped out and this skeleton is all that remains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815445
Bros we fighting about who can get to 6k first at this point.....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815447
The actual numbers were probably between 30-40k for both. I actually do believe that Gura could beat that collab by herself, but 10k for a 6 member off-collab is absolutely way off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
yeaaa baby!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>watching the viewcount attempt to catch up to the likes
neat

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815495
Watched hours depend on CCV which is exactly the same as what is reported to us. See >>15815382

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815447
>collab beggars get flagged as bots
pottery

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
Gold is not a thing anymore, this thread is just for shitting on Susan

[Anonymous No.]

>the cull is so bad the thread is becoming a midgetfight general

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
>14k gold

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
Why not Kanata's 18k waiting room numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

If the start of december was positive numberrot, I'm pretty sure what we're experiencing right now is a negative numberrot. Both equally bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
Kanata got 18k
>waiting room numbers....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815471
ccv is filtered, watched-hours + vod views are not. You cant correlate them to get %s you moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
No. I refuse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
the wait room is recorded as the peak, CCV is fucking USELESS
>>15815540
>>15815549

[Anonymous No.]

last month 30k easy get...now 5k easy get....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
vrabi got kanatach's waiting room number

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815533
And I unironically believe it's getting worse, in a matter of days we will have all the mid tier holos at sub 1k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815524
Fucking dumbass, Stream Hatchet's watched-hours depend on the public ccv as they do ccv*time, the private channel owner's one do not

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815490
ahem

[Anonymous No.]

>king losing numbers
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815566
>now 5k easy get
>easy
I don't know about this part with every passing day...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815565
>>15815567
is this the first time ever that waiting room is gonna get gold? top kek

[Anonymous No.]

>slowed at 7.5k
SUSAAAAAAAANN

[Anonymous No.]

I wish I could just not care but I'm worried about the 2views and the less popular holos/nijis

[Anonymous No.]

Hime kino sub 10k... SUSSAAAAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815621
holy shit, imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815557
vod views is also filtered anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815548
From such highs to this low....

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just gonna watch my oshi using incognito from now on. This is pitiful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815625
"unpopular" holos/nijis will be fine since they're in a corporation at the end of the day. but the 2views need people's savings...

[Anonymous No.]

My beautiful Luna is pulling away!! GO LUNA GO FIGHT FIGHT!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815641
No need to imagine, it's going to happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815595
The private channel owners CCV is reported exactly the same as the public CCV. This has been pointed out several times to you. There is no super secret unculled CCV that channel owners get to see and thus watch hours are calculated off what you see. This has been confirmed why are you being so retardedly stubborn over something you're clearly wrong about

[Anonymous No.]

any know the jp bros status?
no way they are ok with the numbers

[Anonymous No.]

It's inclining. Should get to 10k. Wait why the fuck do I have to get excited about 10k... fuck this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815625
This. I’m worried my oshi isn’t gonna be able to reach 1k anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815621

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815644
youre just a baiting for yous at this point>>15815220

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815666
time to check the nest, this should be fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815567
Oh, so that stream did get higher than 14k. Phew, I thought Niji shit was going to snipe the day. Thank god for Kanata.

[Anonymous No.]

Won't advertisers start to think twice if they think that suddenly everyone lost up to 70% of their viewers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815666
They have been spamming YouTube's twitter to no avail, they are getting hopeless

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815656
Princess beat King? King :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815595
Read the reply chain retard, what is relevant here IS the stream hatchet numbers, however fucked the number actually is.
Because that's what will crate free PR headlines and consequently more chances of high value sponsors, projects, and collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815695
source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815709
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815661
im not talking about the ccv graphs moron, the private channel analytics also gives them the real watched-hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815666
are jp nijifags still in denial or are they shitposters like the ones we have here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814479
Yeah that's sort of the thing, youtube culling ccvs does absolutely nothing other than piss people off. It doesn't affect their bottom line because they don't get paid by ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815604
get out dung beetle.

[Anonymous No.]

Deron

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
luna is getting so many views that vods are taking time htat is "normal" behavior that has been happening since almost july.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815604
One of these days "Veibae/Nyanners/Ironmouse takes Gold for the day" will be a factual sentence if this situation doesn't get fixed.
That's gonna be terrifying.

[Anonymous No.]

>No Miko and Pekora frame yet despite the prospect of birthday funnel
These two are probably the quickest one to notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
>9.7k ccv
>12k likes in 15 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815730
there is literally only pajeets and muds in the replies, lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
>12k likes
>8800 total views
WE'RE REACHING ENGAGEMENT LEVELS NO OTHER PLATFORM CAN MATCH

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815566
Of the 21 solo/split POV collab Hololive streams today, 2 (TWO) hit 5k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
verifying foreign viewers hard, pls andastand

[Anonymous No.]

Holo 3D at 10k
Kuzuha at 8k
>we're pitting who'll beat the 14k and 18k golds

I'm gonna cry

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815690
I mean, why would you ask holos for sponsored streams when Gura can't even pull a mid tier twitch steamer's numbers now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
kek now the nijisisters will believe the cull is real

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815737
There are 2 kind of nijifags, the 1st one don't care about numbers at all, the 2nd are happy as long as they beat holo, even at the cost of their own vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815765
notice what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
>views are culled too
iS THERE ANY DATA THAT ARE ACTUALLY ACCURATE?!?!
JESUS CHRIST YOUTUBE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815734
No it doesn't retard otherwise the watched hours would have a massive fucking disparity with what Youtube is reporting as the average CCV and it would make their entire analytics worthless. Youtube gives the exact same CCV numbers to the channel creator and calculates watched hours off that reported CCV, period. I'm not replying to your retardation any more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815765
At this point birthday funnel gets you worse numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15814972
Why would they be browsing here? And even if by chance any of them do, they wouldn't be in a position to do anything about this anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815734
>real watched-hours
Watch time in their Youtube Creator charts mean the VOD watch time plus the Live watch time, not just the live one.

Youtube does not acknowledge "live watching" as something separated from VOD watching for the most part, it all gets mashed up as "views" and it's the reason they say
>your views and watch time will not be affected
when they say CCV being fucked up is of no concern.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815625
Those 2views and low-ranking agency vtubers will be making most of their money from memberships and superchats and they're basically the one thing Susan can't fuck with
The only people getting screwed here are (a) numberfags and (b) people who depend on ads or impressing sponsors with big numbers for most of their channel revenue

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815764
Surely numberfags aren't actually bad enough at numbers to compare 2 platforms that have entirely different methods to calculate views right?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815785
Spoiler: neither of them will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815738
It affects some sponsored streams where payout can be partially based on ccv

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible that Laplus and Pekora are avoiding to stream (non-event) due to shit numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815824
You wish

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815770
well, they decided that having one account was enough to solve the necessities of the whole world, don't blame me and scroll

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815826
wait let me boot up my rice cooker anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>https://vrabi.ml/video/P3TVNnwtvn8
The cap is 8k for this stream

[Anonymous No.]

THE BOX IS FINALLY DESTROYED!
NOW EVERYONE IS ON EVEN GROUND AND FEND FOR THEMSELVES!!
BASED SUSAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Alright who's making the post on the subreddit tonight?

[Anonymous No.]

10k GET LUNA!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815795
superchats
PLEASE DONATE TO YOUR OSHI MORE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
Tourists click like and then leave the video. Their CCV isn't earned.

[Anonymous No.]

FUCK SUSAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815839
Yes, since they are the real numberfag kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815813
The only bad loss here is that vtubers won't ever rank past twitch streamers anymore. YT fucked their own streamers out of rankings and prestige. Streamers are still doing fine financially. Viewers would still enjoy the same content.

[Anonymous No.]

holy shit with the numbers change are the nijis in single digits now? how is nijien doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815865
You have no idea how much I want to strangle you

[Anonymous No.]

TOP FUCKING KEK
>THAT MATRIX DODGE AT 8K
The CCV noped out of 8k as if it was made of molten lead

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815625
My 3view oshi is now a 2view when she never gone down to 2 digits in long time...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815839
>intentionally ruined her outfit reveal
>hasn't stream on her channel since despite appearing on other streams everyday
>stream on twitch 3 days in a row
You might be onto something

[Anonymous No.]

The top 2 streams right now both belong to Nijisanji GAMERS!!!! What a powerful group!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815865
is it even fun to post the same retarded take several times a day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815839
and Miko, she hasn't done a normal stream. The last one was Mikorone.

[Anonymous No.]

akb song huh hololive will get there soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dz0uBl7FW0M

[Anonymous No.]

I bet Sana feeling better now that her numbers doesn't seem that bad anymore compared to other holos now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815886
Nijien is one of the few groups that was almost untouched. Some streamers like Jun (JP) also weren't touched while Ludwig (western) was.
I'm failing to find any pattern to this whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

it's over bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815886
>how is nijien doing
their usual number, funnily enough they're the only one that not really affected by these cull except reimu, idk how to explain her current numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>Kanata 3D
~40k

>Watame 3D
~30k

>Towa 3D
~20k

>Luna 3D
~10k

Who's next?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815839
>Laplus
She has a schedule

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815955
Easy to explain: fujos don't watch other VTubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815955
Isn't rosemi suffering from awful room recovery since december?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815908
>stream on twitch 3 days in a row
Laplus streamed on twitch??
At this point its pretty much blatant that she doesn't want to see her low numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815963
literally me, 0k

[Anonymous No.]

so... btw ninji and holo there is only 30k watching vtubers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815886
>how is nijien doing?
Males literally unaffected, looks like Susan is thirsting for the fuckers because she just made them upper mid tier vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815955
>idk how to explain her current numbers
Their audience shares little to no overlap with NijiJP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815966
>holiday
>streams (twice if you count her roommate on twitch)
Good girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815898
I cannot imagine that a bot is going to come out of the screen and strangle anyone.
>>15815923
Watching the seethe is hilarious, the cope is endless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815886
Nijien for the most part is unaffected specially the males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815810
>VOD watch time plus the Live watch time
yes, that's exactly what watch-time means, the full number. Not just calculate the "live" part and then call it the total, like hatchet does.
Anyways yes, they cant correlate ccv with watch-time because it includes everybody accepted as a vod viewer, be them live, live but culled (counts as vod watcher verified later) or actual late vod watcher.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815955
I follow rosemi and elira and they're definitely getting affected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815955
I think Reimu is just that unpopular

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815966
this brat feels so different compared to the other hololive members
https://youtu.be/udjnzcuR0a4

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815985
Her roommate

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815985
Roommate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815985
her roommate did, she keeps playing at midnight

[Anonymous No.]

11K get

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815943
Sana was actually underestimated all along
I Kneel!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815733
>views are culled too
total views are not culled, they just process slower for more suspicious (smaller) channels

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815987
how do I save you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816014
How so? I thought their numbers were normal, but I guess I don’t watch them as much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815996
>>15815886
I think it's because they're too new?
>they debuted a week before the number decline right?

[Anonymous No.]

3D lives sure seem to be a lot more fucked over than normal streams

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to go back to last year....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815963
Sora's and Aqua's sololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815908
I'm pretty sure her stream yesterday was the only roommate stream this year. But who knows I might've been asleep and missed them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816061
Not compared to recent rpevious streams and also taking far long to get their waiting room back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815948
whos that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816058
don't save me, REVERSE THE SPELL! I offer myself as a sacrifice!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815987
I still love you, bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816019
>>15816022
>>15816024
Ohhhh, I feel a bit dumb now
Good on her I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816088
she ruined my sleep schedule 2 days in a row, that I can remember

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816088
tracker is your friend
https://twitchtracker.com/nakaokadesu

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816083
Those are not going to be on YouTube
Although they might do one of those free previews for a bit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816017
In a good way or bad way? Btw that video is cringe af

[Anonymous No.]

>Pekora announces she is taking a break today
Kek, she is too busy browsing the numberthreads to understand what is going on.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

If any of the Holo EN members are here reading this, please tell Towa to take a poll during the Mario Kart tournament stream so we can get the most ridiculous number discrepancies possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816124
There will be free part on Youtube just like Suisei and Watame.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816100
the nip that was complaining non-stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816119
MOOOOODDDSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815948
https://twitter.com/youtubelivebug
Looks fine to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816127
sasuga number rabbit

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora says fuck this shit, I'm out
https://twitter.com/usadapekora/status/1478326034303172609

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/usadapekora/status/1478326034303172609

>The simultaneous viewers forecast is bad peko, so I'm taking a break today!!
What did she mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816119
>pink hair menhera
oh no

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816126
I think it's a good thing that she's different than the rest of the members. she has the potential to attract tourists and bring said tourists into the holo ecosystem.

[Anonymous No.]

No Pekora stream today?
I wanna see her numbers on a normal JRPG or Minecraft

>her normal JRPG can get 18k-26k before (30k+ if its an ending of a long running series)
>her Minecraft can get 24k-40k

[Anonymous No.]

I hope one if you is recording the chat, it was stupidly fast

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816147
damn, that was quick, I see it again

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816119
>1k viewers
Jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816022
Is she cute?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816127
Peko gathering nousagi rabillas to storm Youtube Japan right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816119
The fucking number increases ahaha. Hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816127
SAVE US PEKORA. With all the money she makes, she could easily hire a full team to prove youtube's fickery if she really had the balls

[Anonymous No.]

>>15815943
>her numbers doesn't seem that bad anymore
Rrat: Sana’s dog works at google

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816119
Spot when she debuted as Laplus

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816180
>her minecraft can get 40k
Fucking laughing my ass off, Peko-chan. Don't make me cull some subscribers just for the insult factor.
t.Susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816164
>>15816162
Unironically the smartest move she could do at the moment, considering how shit the huge collab and birthday stream numbers were.
Also I'll bet my balls Flare will do a poll later in her stream, its not a coincidence that Flare is the only 3rd gen streaming tonight with a throwaway content.

[Anonymous No.]

at least this thread is finally usable for discussion and civil once again...

[Anonymous No.]

If this culling continues and worsens, I think Cover's response is to setup a means for fans to do SC's that doesn't use Youtube's system. I'd imagine that would get some attention if suddenly they don't start getting their 30% slice of the lucrative Vtuber pie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816218
IF this is intentional then it's no use since Youtube is a multi-billion company.

BUT if this is just a bug then Pekora can get this fixed with this method but she need more allies

[Anonymous No.]

>bots can vote polls too
Why would you ever bot a fucking YT poll

[Anonymous No.]

Here is Kuzuha past Valorant numbers

>15758 :: 2021-12-15 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ part4 【 ランク 】
>14233 :: 2021-12-14 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ part3 【 ランク 】
>11907 :: 2021-12-14 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ part2 【 ランク 】
>17464 :: 2021-12-11 :: 【 Valorant 】 一日0.1mg強くなるヴァロ 【 ランク 】
>10408 :: 2021-12-06 :: 【 Valorant 】 暇をすりつぶす 【 スマブラ 】
>22236 :: 2021-11-25 :: 【 Valorant 】 チームBに全ベット【 じゃすぱー3叶わいわい3うぉっか3 】
>17480 :: 2021-11-24 :: 【 Valorant 】 チームB作戦会議【 じゃすぱー3叶わいわい3うぉっか3 】
>12837 :: 2021-11-24 :: 【 Valorant 】 リハビリヴァロ【 ランク 】
>17554 :: 2021-10-28 :: 【 Valorant 】 ガチでプラチナ目指す 【 ランク】
>10622 :: 2021-10-26 :: 【 Valorant 】 プラチナ行ってみてえ 【 ランク 】

Today it does not look like he'll be beating 10k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816229
>Sana’s dead dog worked at google. Let's go!!!~

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816288
Pushing talents to create Twitch accounts is more likely.

[Anonymous No.]

So what's gonna actually be some consequences from the result of the culling?
I'm assuming ad revenue is still normal but the lower numbers might make their discoverabilty harder? Also probably reduces the chance of sponsors.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I the only one complaining to @TeamYoutube here?
If enough people retweet and shit their feeds with reports and complains we might get responses like this
https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1337662177499607041

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816164
>>15816162
Go. To. Twitch.
I don't want to replace youtube but at least show there is a complete collapse in number tracking and not numbers. Your investors and sponsors are watching this shit and may not be as plugged in as mentally ill fags on a basket weaving forum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816288
You laughed at yagoo's metaverse project
Who's laughing now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816309
Still, that's not anywhere as bad as I thought he'd do. I was predicting he wouldn't reach 5k at one point. Looks like Tokyo Ghoul got off lightly with only a 30% cull so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816309
If it confirms that he doesn't beat 10k it will be only the second time he fails to do so on Mado's record (since Jul 17), with the other one being
>his Christmas stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816309
that is league not valorant

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816288
>I'd imagine that would get some attention if suddenly they don't start getting their 30% slice of the lucrative Vtuber pie.
that revenue is nothing to Youtube. I still think the only way for Youtube to look into it is if Ludwig somehow reacts to vtuber and noticed Nene's fucked CCV and poll numbers

[Anonymous No.]

Yagoo, please pause the game development and develop your in house streaming service... Yes, it would be a losing prospect income wise, but at least you would have control over your own destiny, not getting fucked in the ass by Susan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816333
The biggest consequence is the psychological hit to the holos (and numberfags).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816326
I can't see this happening despite how good it would be for EN. Twitch isn't as large in Japan and it's still a Japanese company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816372
So how the hell are YouTube profiting off of livestreaming?
Are they just hoping that it'll somehow pay off in the future?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816340
Oh I didn't laugh at that, I'm actually hyped for when they open beta applications.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816336
That seems like they're actually taking it seriously now. Thank you JP nikis for spamming them with mentions. If only that happened a year ago, but I guess it was not as clear back then with less chuubas affected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816303
Because fuck you that's why
Just accept that VShojo are the numbers queens from this point on

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816385
It also has an effect for sponsors. Corporate suits don't see nuance, number going down a lot is enough to scare them away regardless of what the reason is for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816336
>Didn't see the date of the tweet until after I read it
For a second there I felt a bit of hope...

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>>15816288
People shit on NFTs, but glorified SCs are unironically the best application of NFT
>unique and non-fungible
>public and programmable
>transaction system that works in any currency
>no payment processor jewery
>doesn't pay YT a third of it's value

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>>15816333
Low numbers attract low numbers, people are gonna see Holos pulling shit numbers and avoid them

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>>15816363
Oh, you're right!

Here is his last LOL stream
https://vrabi.ml/video/vhe4ZAOYXcc

He beat his current number in the first 8 minutes

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>>15816336
They've already given you the blanket statement no? It's an intended change, they activly want to target the channels that have a certain type of viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816162
Pekora doesn't want to ruin her 2022 median

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>>15816394
They wouldn't have to move there permanently, just do one stream a week on Twitch so they have a big number they can point at

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>>15816429
They respond for the sake of PR like most companies do. That doesn't mean the problem will be guaranteed to be solved. Plenty of large YouTubers have caught the attention of YouTube for certain problems and YouTube did jack shit.

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>>15816442
>CCV went down
>but VOD views went up
how will corporate suits view this?

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>>15816452
But...you still need an actual payment processor to transfer the cash from one bank account to another.

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>>15816429
It's an old post anon, they won't be doing shit until you make a Twitter account and bother them about it

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Just a thought, but are there any stream from popular franchise like umamusu, fate, imas, etc happening soon? Would be interesting to see if they get affected too.
I mean, cover won't be able to do shit, but surely Sony, Kadokawa and the like could do something.

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Can anyone make like a short video just documenting all the evidence? All popular twitch streamers do is react to videos (and they have a vested interest to hate on youtube), if you get at least one of those streamers that like always make the front page of /r/livestreamfail to react to a video about youtube's fucked up CCV all of the twitch streamers in that bubble will due to how derivative their react content is, and that will create an actual noticeable buzz around the issue outside of the vtubing community.

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>>15816394
They already have a process for creating Twitch accounts. Nene asked her manager for one and got a partnered Twitch account for her within a day. Got hundreds of gifted subscriptions too, within the single stream she did where she was just testing stuff out.

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>>15816429
>>15816499
The tweet is from 2020 anons

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>>15816501
How do they see a movie that flopped at the cinema and had big DVD sales? There's your answer

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>>15816362
well, he is advertising the LoL stream as playing with viewers too, soo...

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Even holoyzer shows luna stream already ended kek

[Anonymous No.]

What they need to do is stream at twitch, but open YT stream to remind others to watch them on twitch and become a place to SC. Like, when Ame and Kiara on Digikomi, and Ame opened a stream on YT but it's only a pic of them at digikomi twitch, with a link in description.

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>>15816452
Anon, there is ZERO benefit on creating a secondary market for something they have a complete control of the supply today.
Doing so is a retarded idea and will simply make "shark coin" types of scams more prevalent because the origin of said items will be the real company, that can do shit to prevent secondary market to use their name to sell things.

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>>15816517
I'm hoping this a joke otherwise you have absolutely no understanding how Twitch culture works.

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>>15816553
Meanwhile she sings Fansa to her 12k Susan approved viewers.

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>>15816551
I actually have no idea. does it matter to them if the net revenue is the same if not increased?

[Anonymous No.]

Luna hasn't breaked the 15k ....

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>>15816517
>LSF
Kek

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>>15816615
forgive him anon, the lack of numbers are causing brain damage to this thread and making people do stupid shit.

[Anonymous No.]

The guy who was doing the hololive music vod views ranking decided to take a break
it's truly a sad year for numberfagging

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>>15816474
Today's stream is a recline, but not enough of recline to raise the alarm bells we need at the moment. Just have to hope the cull continues to accelerate

[Anonymous No.]

If there was no cull what would Luna actually be getting?

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>>15816657
it looks like a "forever" break too

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>>15816657
It's a one week break, he'll be back next week

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>>15816688
judging by that like amount, probably around 40-48k range

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>>15816668
Isn't it bad if the null happens more gradually? Then it may actually make it look like a more natural decline

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>>15816688
with 20k likes
probably hit 25k-30k minimum

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>>15816588
There's no need of a secondary market. You buy those NFT to send glorified SC. You can still technically sell it, but only morons would buy it anyway. Or if Cover deploys their own NFT solutions, then maybe they can restrict non-primary transactions

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/sakuramiko35/status/1478330694665641986

>Miko Minecraft tonight
Just stream it on Twitch, migo...

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>>15816688
30k+

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>>15816688
40 to 50k

[Anonymous No.]

At least a sub 10k stream doesn't medal.

[Anonymous No.]

Arunpapa has 150 viewers...
jesas

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit Luna 2nd anniversary 3d live has almost the same peak as Gura's regular dbd wtf

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>>15816507
Not (as much) if your SC fund is from other forms of crypto

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>>15816688
In the high 40ks I'd say, though I feel the ceiling would be 50k without a single view more

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816713
What problem is this actually supposed to solve? In the end you're still just sending money to a different back account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816688
You take the number of likes and multiply it by 2.25 so roughly 50k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816688
40k+ I reckon

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816688
Just multiply holostreams by 4.

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>>15816713
What benefit does the NFT offer? Why not just set up a donation site, use Paypal or something and transfer the cash directly? Like I said you still need a payment processor to transfer the cash between bank accounts, adding an NFT in the middle seems like a completely pointless step.

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>>15816688
Didn't Matsuri had 36k?
>then Luna also can

[Anonymous No.]

I can't look at these numbers anymore, I'm ending it.

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>>15816696
Nah with the post the channel made in the Youtube community I don't think a week is enough for that

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>>15816747
>Not (as much) if your SC fund is from other forms of crypto

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>>15816761
By tomorrow it's gonna be 5, then 6...

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>3d stream failed to beat Gura's DbD
Jesas. Oh Jesas. You laughed at Gura and Pekora's fans not watching other holos. Where are your gods now, box pushers?

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>>15816762
Maybe Elon Musk can help us with PayPal

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>>15816754
>2.25
The magic number keeps changing every time somebody posts it!

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>>15816394
There are reasons for twitch not being big in japan, the primary one being that twitch has been dog shit and still is bad on mobile for users in japan. Why? High energy consumption + high band width requirement.

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>>15816711
Gradually, as in months? Yeah, that could bad. But things have been getter worse on a day to day basis. if a week or two from now Kuzuha streams Apex to an audience of 10-12k no one in their right mind would claim that it's a natural decline.

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>>15816434
dung beetle, just get out will you, go back to your own containment thread

[Anonymous No.]

>shill goods
>lose 600 precious views
Also it looks like there might only be 4 streams that rank today.

[Anonymous No.]

I would laugh if Pekora's birthday stream will be in twitch at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

Now all Hololive JP members have at least one oirignal song.

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>>15816715
The last she does that is when YT servers fucks up.
Someone here need to take one for the team and go to YT HQ to fuck the optics.
We need those twitch numbers to make a more compelling case bros

[Anonymous No.]

13k peak on a Celebration with guests on 3D....

FUCK THIS!!! I REALLY HATE THIS!!!
I'M LOSING IT!!!

[Anonymous No.]

the total view count pretty much gave up huh
I swear there is even more messages sent than total views rumao

[Anonymous No.]

In brighter news Luna has an original song now, and that means there's not a single Holomem who doesn't have an orisong

[Anonymous No.]

>>15816861
Would the numberbunny give up her superchat rain for big numbers? I'd kneel if she did

[Anonymous No.]

Is it time to accept that any stream over 10k is a breakout success?

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>>15816861
She'd be with her kind so maybe it's for the best.

[Anonymous No.]

These superchat alternatives are nice and all, but one thing that makes superchat so effective is how easy it is to just send one out at the spur of the moment. Every small hurdle you introduce in the process, no matter how small, is going to have a huge impact on the amount of donations.

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>>15816808
yawn

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>>15816894
Probably worth the risk, or else the negative halo effect will actually shit her number.

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>>15816825
I have always used 2.25

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>>15816888
Ame...

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>>15816688
40k I guess, 50k upper limit

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>>15816896
Yes, and that 5k is now the equivalent of 10k