/#/ - Numbers Thread

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Previously >>15744788

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General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list athttps://pastebin.com/CCfK7mV

[Anonymous No.]

>*laugs in unculled numbers*
Maybe hololive should stop using bots

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>>15756627
>>15756679
I'd argue both would be around the same. Miko earnt more than $100k just doing watchalongs. Also, Twitch would rather much like having vtubers on their platform to make watchparties more lively. Everytime Miko/Pekora is on, watchparty goes from a thousand to 6k+. Fans of HoloEN wouldn't mind transitioning to Twitch but for JP, they should hold the grounds on YT.

>>15756754
You can stream how long you want on Twitch. It's Youtube gaming that had the contract to have Ludwig and Valk stream at least 200 hours on YT every month.

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>>15756554
Simple: the VOD function. This is the one area where Youtube is (and always will be) lightyears ahead of Twitch.

Twitch functions best for the kind of streamer who's broadcasting 5+ hours a day every single day. Youtube is best for people who stream infrequently and rack up large VOD counts.

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https://twitter.com/amanekanatach/status/1477935920733364224

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>>15756943
You didn't actually watch that clip, did you. It was kkatamina who had the 200 hour quota and Ludwig left Twitch for Youtube because YT weren't making him stream ludicrous hours.

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>>15756754
Anon, Twitch in an “in group” clique. Twitch brass picks and chooses the people they want to succeed and **no matter how big the audience** a streamer can draw, it’s not just that they’ll negotiate a better deal for them, if they’re not in the “in group” they’ll get kicked out from the platform unceremoniously

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>>15756943
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DtTwGFwcQs&t=672s

150k subs gaming channel earns roughly 30k a month on ad revenue. Youtube doesn't pay by ccv, they pay by views. There's a reason why twitch streamers also upload on youtube.

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Ironmouse started moving up recently. Went over Pikamee and Ars Almal.

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>>15757045
*Caveat, he's got financial ads, those pay a hefty CPM vs what the Holos usually get
Still, the point does stand. It's not all roses if Hololive moves over to Twitch, they stand to lose a ton when the only real thing they're getting mucked with RN is CCV since their VOD views thus-far are fine (and I assume the ads served will still get counted properly. If THAT doesn't, then yea Cover needs to basically haul someone's ass out and have a very serious talk since that's actual money and not just bragging rights at risk then).

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>>15756943
>Also, Twitch would rather much like having vtubers on their platform to make watchparties more lively.
Twitch already has vtubers that will do that, it doesn't matter if they're Holo or not.
Also Twitch does not care about poaching streamers from YT. They have plenty of streamers on their platform. This is pretty obvious from how easily they've let go some of their top streamers before. Like Ludwig.

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Man I don't even bother asking if there's any big event today anymore. It will all get shit numbers anyway

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how much will the downward pressure be for the live?
it'll break 30k at least right?

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>>15757259
25k, give it or take it

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>>15757134
You can't even pick ads as a content creator, only video categories and youtube does the rest. Majority of that guy's video category falls under gaming which should be the same as holo/niji

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>>15757259
Dunno. The stream has stayed at 25k (with some spike to 27k when gen 5 and gen 6 showed up) for the past 12 hours, so maybe 30k spike then dropping down to 25k again.

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>>15757288
Hmm, okay, I may have mis-remembered from the last time the vid got brought up then.

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>>15756927
fpbp

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>>15757259
Are you talking about Mikorone's or Towa's?

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>>15757005
At some point this unapologetic leeching becomes almost respectable

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Holo numbers

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>Live starts
>number stalls and goes down
Good to know 12 months of 3D live concert data and trends was fake all along, Susan.

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HoloEN is done for

[Anonymous No.]

Oh no, she's singing Coco's graduation song...

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>>15757597
i think i saw 28k peak for a bit, but when i refreshed, it showed 24k

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Dog is graduating

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>still 25k
What the fuck

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>>15757616
Small fix

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>>15757616
>Pokemon
>Jump King
>Animal Crossing
Kiara was the only who did something minimally interesting

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>>15757616
>Highest CCV ever is 18.9k
I kneel...

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>>15757797
Stop responding to low quality bait, fucking retard

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Why are vshojofags being uppity recently? They can't even beat Gura and they're saying Hololive's age is over.

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Hopefully that faggot Yagoo and Omegatranny learns something from looking at last year's data.

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>>15757820
Hololive isn't just Gura, VShojo beat 99% of EN and JP too.

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>>15757818
*SNIIIIIFFFFFF* AHHHHHHH Holocope is such a delight to smell.

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what the fuck is wrong with youtube jfc, it's still stalling

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>>15757616
One of the laziest and most depressed vtuber evers (aside from obvious ones like Ayame) mogging the Holos is objectively funny

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>>15757045
it's over JP, gura makes 750k a month

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>>15757820
Pretty sure most of these aren't vshojofags they're just schizos that putting out bait. Which people keep falling for for some reason.

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>3d concert
>miko
>mr koro
>less than 30k
Hololive is dead

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>>15757820
>>15757892
Why holobronies stop caring about numbers as soon as they aren't in their favor?

[Anonymous No.]

Time to make new accounts.
Start with 24 hours of putting trending videos in the background.
Mute the tab instead of the video itself so YouTube thinks you're watching with audio.
After 24 hours, watch something holo adjacent (Ado songs, game streams, streamer clips etc) and wait for the algorithm to serve you some holo clips.
Even when you watch holos, choose something outside of Hololive to occasionally watch so that you don't get behavior flagged.
This is pretty much the only way to save CCV now.

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>>15757859
>>15757916
SEAniggers getting upset about something again?

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>>15757906
I am nervous at the numbers of Towa's concert, fuckkk

[Anonymous No.]

Average CCV for December
Gura - 23,748
Mori - 10,310
Ina - 9,895
>Nyanners - 9,798
>Veibae - 9,689
Kronii - 9,484
Mumei - 8,155
>Ironmouse - 8,155
Ame - 7,588
Baelz - 6,512
IRyS - 6,069
Kiara - 5,909
Fauna - 5,594
>Silvervale - 3,878
>Zentreya - 3,312
Sana - 3,219
>Apricot (Froot) - 2,858
>projektmelody - 2,856
>Hajime - 914

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>>15757936
The fact is though, there's going to be tens of thousands of people who won't bother, don't care, or don't know, and thus CCV is dead for chubbas.

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>>15757988
>Knows numbers are fucked
>Still nervous
Why? Just full screen and enjoy the show.

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>>15758005
This is going to look very different by the end of January.

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>>15757979
>stop posting numbers in the numbers thread
Cope

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>>15758005
Add NijiEN as well

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>>15757495
Another JK endurance stream? Is she stupid?

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>>15757906

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>>15758037
at this point, both tribes agree that CCV doesn't mean anything anymore, and numberfagging as we know it is dead.
true unity...

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>>15757988
It's time

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>>15758037
I am predicting 10-15K with culled numbers but with Mikkorone 3d concert having less than 30K, I am super nervous.

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>>15758089
>/jp/niggers claiming numbers don't matter now that vshojo is mogging both holo and niji
kek

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>>15758063
>less than tier views
Kek is this all you vshojofags can muster?

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>>15757936
100 autists doing this will be just a drop of piss in the ocean

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>>15758089
>both tribes
You wish holobro! Us nijichad will won with our slow and steady approach!

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>>15757820
Youtube CCV kept getting fucked by Susan and they inclined, so now they're here to shitpost about how they're the most popular vtubers.
Don't worry, it literally won't phase anyone but this thread, since CCV has never been considered the metric that determines who is more popular. But oh it will grind at /#/'s ass.

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is the viewer number just adjusted to 25k?
YouTube is so fucking bad lol

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Hired dancers

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>>15758155
numbers?

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>>15758089
I’m scared one of the Nijis I like will turn from a three digit to a two digit chuuba...

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>>15758100
She's going to get 20k for sure, but 40k might be hard.
We saw yesterday that Korone's channel still managed to have some sort of incline, whereas Miko's channel is mega fucked and incapable of moving.

Just check the VOD views in 24 hrs and compare them to her Birthday live and 3D debut if you want to guesstimate where her CCV was.

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>>15758086
Great image anon.

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A, twitchniggers are trying to push their chubbas now. I get it, you want to play in the big leagues to. But then you have to acknowledge that twitch is the easiest platform to bot on, pad views with embedded players, boost channels with money and perform raids for higher peaks.
If you can't agree to this, all you chubbas can be disregarded and if you do agree then it's also easy to admit the numbers needs to be cut in half to adjust for said problems, if not gtfo.

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Well at least some of you faggots are experimenting and trying to figure out this black box of bullshit instead of giving up.
I can respect that.

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>>15758190
They're slowly forcing it up to 27k

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>>15758218
Susan is telling us that numbers don't matter. Your love for your chuuba is the only thing that does.

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>>15758155
Proof?

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Vshojo inclined hard recently every members is getitng a lot more than what they used to.

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>Miko and Korone spurring the chat on to cheer Mikkorone
>Youtube flags them all as spambots for spamming the same word
Watch it happen, guys

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>>15758190
remember miko got 22k with a fucking shill stream few days ago
YT bullied miko so hard now a 3D collab is only like 4k over that?
I bet the next minecraft stream won't even have 10k

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Is there a timestamp of Kiara supposedly calling out the weird numbers with her poll?

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At this rate i'm gonna gradute from numbers...

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>>15758292
Why are you still trying to use this stupid bait?

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>>15758238
>easiest platform to bot on, pad views with embedded players, boost channels with money
This stuff doesn't really happen with the vast majority of streamers though. It's more so that Twitch being less restrictive on what counts as a viewer makes it less likely an actual viewer gets culled.
Twitch CCV are closer to real than YouTube CCV because YouTube CCV is completely fucked right now.

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apparently they've only gone up nearly 2k since the start of the live.
really believable.

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>>15758292
>every members
>only post ironmos, vei, and pink cat
Ogey

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>vshojofags thinking they could beat this

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>>15758343
Why are you replying to the stupid bait?

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>>15758063
Did my post said that? the absolute state of SEAniggers, I'm just curious on what SEAniggers like you upset about, maybe low payday again? LMAO

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>>15758343
>>15758375
>numbers are bait now
The absolute state of holobronies

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>>15758364
Wait til Susan comes in with the fix.

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>>15758346
They gained 3k likes in the meantime...

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How are the early signs for towa? I have a sneaking suspicion that today's stream is going to be one of the most disappointing streams (number-wise) in a long long time
Everything since the start of the culling in one palm, and today is in another

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歌はじまって30分で10万再生増化で同接はほぼ動かず

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>>15757616
>Veibae
125k views for a 16 hours stream with a 7.4k CCV for 16 hours
>Mori's ongoing stream
215k views, 7.5 hours and 5.7k CCV
>Miko's ongoing stream
1.5M views, 11.5 hours and 22.8k CCV

I hate Susan

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>>15758346
It's been hardstuck at 25k for the entire duration. Youtube will not allow it to go any higher. It must've gone up to close to 80k if the CCV has actually budged to 27k after all this time

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If you love your oshi you would create a fresh account to watch them

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Susan actually gate kept them from. 30k lmao

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>>15758344
Youtube ccvs are fucked, no argument there.

But it doesn't matter in the context if twitch is reliable or not. It is also not relevant if it happens to the vast majority of streamers or not. If the platform is open to massive abuse, the numbers can't be trusted. For all we know there is an unlisted webpage with vshojo embedded streams and a bot farm refreshing that site. Point being, twitch numbers are as trustworthy as a german neighbor to a jewish family in the 1940's.

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>>15758418
The view numbers aren't accurate fyi. Her last stream has 221k views, not 34k.

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>>15758418 (me)
>for 16 hours
fuck

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What is the chance of Vshojo big three viewers still inclining or will they decline?
Who is the latest rising steamer on Twitch that doesn't recline fast?

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>>15758418
YT is obviously being culled but I don't think Twitch viewers watch vods as often as YT viewers.

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I don't even care who wins gold anymore...
everything just feels so empty since all the metrics besides superchats are hard to quantify. Susan culls subs, vods, and CCV for no reason.

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Ochame Kinou hit 1M
>time to 1M: 45 hours
behind only Reflect, King and Unison (on the Holo side)

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>>15758364
They unironically can't even touch Mori, Mouse and Vei averages 200k~ after the recent incline and nyanners can't even consistently hit 150k. If that's how their top dogs perform then I don't even wanna see the lower vshojos

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>>15758409
6k waiting with 22 minutes to go.

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>>15758501
>For all we know there is an unlisted webpage with vshojo embedded streams and a bot farm refreshing that site.
Look I get that vshojo sucks but it's absolutely deranged to think something like this happens with them or any popular streamers.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjQlKmoFBuA
21k watching but it's a premiere

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>>15758530
44hours
I checked

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>>15758577
It literally happens with Fextralife.

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19:00 1.38 million plays 23,000
19:30 1.5 million plays 26,000

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>>15758588
It's a lot of Nijis and kino 3D shit.
Ryushen's past few 3D VODs like this got pretty good premiere numbers too, but this is by far her best one.

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The only decent thread on this board is almost dead. Another one of the Asano sisters is going to graduate. This year is gonna be grim.

https://twitter.com/asanoakane/status/1477566584738746370

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>>15758501
>For all we know there is an unlisted webpage with vshojo embedded streams and a bot farm refreshing that site.
I don't think so. Vshojo or their big trio is just the newest Twitch FotM

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>>15758522
That's why he's using ongoing streams obviously so the youtube streams haven't had any vod growth outside whoever has viewed the stream just like vei.

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>>15758522
Twitch also includes live viewers as views in the VOD, that's why I am doing a comparison with ongoing streams

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>>15758484
I gave up

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>>15758537
Twitch users rarely watch VODs do your reps nigger.

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>>15758588
Yeah Niji still has way better object tracking than Holo. Also 23k now.
>>15758627
>her

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>>15758631
Isn't she only on hiatus and not graduated?

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>>15758418
the thing twitch mogs youtube at is stream hours, literally every of the daily streams are "endurance" streams

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>>15756899
Eyyy wuxia anon is back. Akeome yo~

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>>15758631
literally who

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>>15758683
easier to do endurance streams when half your content is other peoples content

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>>15758653
yeah they changed that recently, wasn't the case before

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Mikkorone singing their new original still can't push it to 28k rumao

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>>15758679
Indefinite hiatus usually means graduation, I've only heard of like two people who came back from Indefinite hiatus and both were rather exceptional cases

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>>15758641
>>15758653
But there's still the fact that Youtube viewers are more likely to view a vod/stream that is already done than a twitch viewer.
Really one annoying aspect about the fuckery from YouTube is now it's even harder to compare twitch to YouTube

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>>15758551
... I-its gonna be lower than sheep?! Nooooooo

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>>15758737
It's hard capped. This is the most ridiculous egregious shit I've ever seen.

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>>15758666
And youtube users barely watch streams. So why are we comparing?

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>>15758683
react residentsleepers...

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>>15758653
>Trucks also have a speedometer, that's why I am doing a comparison with sport cars
In the end, it isn't even about Vshojo vs Holo/Niji but Twitch vs Youtube

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>>15758683
If you look at some of the viewcharts, half of the time for most streams is just chatting, so they're just chilling/watching videos/chatting.

I wish if we had any real Veibae watchers here that can tell if she gets raided often, because she has these random 2-3k boosts in the middle of her Just Chatting segments that kinda look like raids, but they're not obviously raids like when Nyanners and Ironmouse get them.

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>>15757045
Why just not doing both? You can do shill stream on twitch too right? Just stream on twitch and upload the VOD or spam clips on YT channel later to rack in views.

[Anonymous No.]

I think I'm just going to head out for some cigarettes until this whole thing blows over, you guys want anything?

[Anonymous No.]

Fbking will save Towa, her appearance will summon the bugs in the hills and skyrocket the CCV for maximum peak

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>>15758671
>Yeah Niji still has way better object tracking than Holo.
that's the one department cover still needs to work on. 3D objects in niji's stream feel very smooth. although cover's 3D has improved a lot ever since the Roberu 3D debut

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>>15758758
At least people are dumping cash on her, 550k yen already.

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>>15758816
Are you konbini anon?

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>>15758769
>So why are we comparing?
Because retards here keep falling for bait

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[Anonymous No.]

Jun 80K soon

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>>15758750
>>15758792
don't be retarded guys, they're obviously talking about the VOD views the moment the stream has ended

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>>15758418
Lol, get fucked ENfags.

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>>15758816
The head of Susan Wojcicki

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>>15758824
What were they fucking thinking

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>>15758414
>増化
>化
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14227380664
still not sure if typo

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>>15758085
With that SC and watch hours, no.

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I'm concerned.

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>>15758824
Comparing Roberu's 3D debut to Astel's 3D debut is amusing kek.

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>>15758588
>premiere
Why don't they want to stream the pre-recording?

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>>15758872

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>>15758844
Why did I read that as live viewers rather than VOD...
I need sleep...

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>>15758765
>t. newfag that wasn't here when EN was hit just as hard if not worse in Dec 2020

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>>15758858
they weren't KEK
luckily it was Roberu and he was able to play it off as jokes. thank god they step it up with Shien. Shien's model and 3D debut stream were both amazing. I guess the best way to learn is not wanting to embarrass yourself to the masses.
>>15758885
they've come a long way

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>>15758085
She gets a lot of SC but this DLC is extra painful to watch, she took 15h to reach the halfway mark once

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I'm out for the night, don't forget to screenshot post-stream vod of mikokorone, anons

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>13.3k waiting
>5.3k likes
this is the correct views to like ratio, do the math when we get the CCV

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>>15758806
>If you look at some of the viewcharts, half of the time for most streams is just chatting
It is standard for many Twitch streamers, not just Vtubers, to hang out in just chatting for a while in the beginning of the stream to build up viewers since that's strong in the meta.
>I wish if we had any real Veibae watchers here that can tell if she gets raided often
I don't think she gets raided too often. I can tell you that in her most recent stream she didn't get raided but there was some chat hoppers from another large streamer that kept mentioning her and such. She was already breaking 14k before that happened though. That probably boosted her ccv there by about 1-2k.

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Towa waiting room 14k, I wonder how long into the stream it will be until the numbers catch up to that?

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>>15758872
15-20k

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>>15758522
>I don't think Twitch viewers watch vods as often as YT viewer
>don't think
>think
next time check your numbers instead of posting your useless guesses

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>>15759000
Most of those likes were from hours ago as well.

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>>15758356
Wait there is more whores then that!?

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Look at what Susan did to this poor Niji girl
>Genzuki Tojiro
Her median for December was 2189, putting her between Roboco and Aki

She usually gets *at very least* 1k for her Minecraft streams.

Today she's struggling to break out of her Waiting Room numbers, exactly like Aki, Mel and Roboco.

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>>15759003
I wouldn't be surprised if it barely hits 15k at the end of it

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>>15758858
It led to one of the most kino and hilariously memorable 3d moments though.

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>>15759088
Anon... the waiting room is already 20k...

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>>15759037
based cherry picked vods

[Anonymous No.]

gonna bet you towasama 3D wont be able to beat her waiting room again

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>>15759065
507 watching now, 507 likes

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Towa 21k GET (in waiting room, watch her not get it during the stream)

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>>15759065
Why are you using the text for Genzuki, a man, calling him a girl with a picture of Ritsukin, a girl?

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>>15759065
now imagine being a literal 2/3 viewer streamer. fuck me, that shit must be soul crushing

[Anonymous No.]

MikKorone Vod Part 2 at 1,602,793 views.

[Anonymous No.]

1,6m vod for Miko fucking hell the ccv had a massive cull

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>>15759037
>Nyanners, the most popular twitch vtuber vs kiara
Okay. Now compare her VOD gains to Gura.

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So basically, Twitch is still, and will still be the top streaming site. Even vtubers there will incline while YT streaming is a dead zone. I guess it's good to know since I rarely watch streams on YT anyway.

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>>15759065
You got the name wrong, Genzuki is a guy

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>>15759116
you may not like it but this is what true gachikoi looks like

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>>15758981

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https://youtu.be/m43OpHmUxBI?t=532
>でも正月だからそもそもあれか、団員さんとかホロライブリスナーさんのみんな、もしかして、お正月で配信とか見ない感じと思って。見ない感じなんかなと思って。だからね団長配信逆に、ーん、どうしよかなって悩んだけども団長がしたいからしようかなと思っております

deepl tl, corrected a bit:
But since it's New Year's so, I thought maybe all the dan-in and holo-live listeners, perhaps, don't watch things like streams on New Year's. I felt like they don't really watch. So danchou was wondering what to do, but danchou want's to stream, so I think I'll do it.

something i heard while watching noel's stream the other day, before this she was talking about how free noon was despite it being sunday when she looked at holodule.

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>>15759104
With susans help it might even hit 20k live viewers in an hour!

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>>15759132
>>15759140
>>15759154
IIRC, didn't Korone's part end with 1.7 mil or something despite getting double the CCV for most of the stream?

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>>15759132
how does that compare to part 1? Miko's stream had 13k less average viewers

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>>15759149
>>15759124
Gomen gomen, copied and pasted the wrong kanji.

Everything I said, except Sakura Ritsuki instead.

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I watched the waiting room for Towa get culled 6 times.

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>>15759140
>>15759132
Average viewers were much lower but the VOD is almost the same as Korones yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15758816
I want YT's pajeet heads on stake

[Anonymous No.]

AAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Anonymous No.]

https://vrabi.ml/video/ZjQlKmoFBuA
What a rare graph
It's premiere though

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759141
>now compare shit-tier nyanners vs god-tier gura
lol no, retard. Nyanners is exactly kiara's tier in quality of content and character, and views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759037
>"Le twitch viewers don't care about watching the vods"
>Twitch viewers actually watch Vods at an almost equal rate to Youtube
>None of their vod averages are even half of the shark
kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759161
I hope the managers are telling them its youtube fault and not viewers suddenly abandoning them overnight

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759174
It was 1,8 or 1,9 can't remember

[Anonymous No.]

holostats recorded a 23k peak in the waiting room, culled to 3k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759141
Nyanners still wins since she is more popular. Her fame is pretty much comparable to the "Pekora" of English vtubing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759204
Ngl, this is probably going to be Ryushen's highest CCV ever (premiere or not), even more than Nijirock.
Shit is kino so it's deserved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759145
The only reason why a bunch of people here claim YT is better is just because it's where Hololive is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759243
Jesus Christ Susan

[Anonymous No.]

>Mikkorone part1
>35k avg/48k peak
>1.7M views at end of stream

>part 2
>22k avg/28k peak
>1.6M views at end of stream

what does Susan mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759132
>>15759140
Part 1
2.1M views (after 12 hours)
35.4k CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759204
Premieres are not culled, time to only do premieres

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759204
do premieres' CCV feel more "normal" to you guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15758418
That's easy to explain. While holobots being culled from ccv, they manage to stay for enough time to count as vod views.

[Anonymous No.]

TOWAAAAAAAAAAA
not like this........

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759211
>views
Well not anymore thanks to Susan and the recent boost to the top 3 vshojos

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759243
JESAAASSSSSS that's it bros, im graduate

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759248
What the fuck is this post?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759249
Wonder if premieres are not affected by the cull, or is this is another proof that the ccv is mainly composed of tourists now and regular viewers are not being counted

[Anonymous No.]

>>15758887
Because they're not Hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>that chat speed
>still less than 10k ccv
th-thanks susan...

[Anonymous No.]

You know I noticed Towa has sung Error alot less frequently once she released palette

[Anonymous No.]

beautiful

[Anonymous No.]

10K GET!!! I KNEEL

[Anonymous No.]

1.6 Million at end of stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759251
Don't be a retard YT is still better because it has no time limit for vod, a better copyright system, and a better algo to pick up new viewers, not because it has x vtubers in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>wating room 20k+
>stream start 3k

[Anonymous No.]

how many people in chat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759290
views in the total number you see in their vods. CCV is the imaginary make-believe one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759251
Sooner or later YT streaming will just die out if more vtubers graduate. Twitch has already expanded and courting other markets already so they will probably have a monopoly in the future. Japanese companies are just stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759349
>>15759335

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759340
VShojo picked up new viewers on Twitch even more easily than Hololive ever could.

[Anonymous No.]

THIS IS SO FUCKING PATHETIC

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759262
more viewers got marked as bot for this extreme box pushing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759204
>Sudden drop
Did I jinx it...

[Anonymous No.]

Towa won't beat her waiting room at this rate of cull

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG_ZyOrpwr0
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/NG_ZyOrpwr0
Here's a 12 hour stream with similar viewers as the MiKorone stream today, streamed 8 months ago and it only has 1.2 million views today.

[Anonymous No.]

>Amazing Guest list
>It's fucking Towa
>11k viewers
Jesus christ....
I kneel Watame...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759311
It got culled though. It just took a while.

[Anonymous No.]

i can't believe i'm a fucking bot

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759340
>a better algo to pick up new viewers
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>23k waiting room
>Youtube updates 40 viewers at a time
NGMI

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759335
so flaccid

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759268
Started going down during Ryuushen's premiere.

[Anonymous No.]

>we know ccv is completely fucked up
>lets keep discussing it like retards
why is /#/ like this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759340
>A better copright system
rumao imagine believing this.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate Susan so much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759335
at that incline rate itll take most of the show to reach the starting number

[Anonymous No.]

MARCH ON YOUTUBE WHEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759416

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759387
This is what so powerful about Vshojo. They get the most stream watchers since Twitch dominates streaming market. They also openly interact with many big name streamers as well.

And they only have 8 members. I mean, if they want to pursue the pop group route, they can recruit singers to beef up the roster. The sky is the limit for Vshojo at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759470
To try to find out patterns of how fucked up it is
The thing is, there is no fucking patterns, shit is just fucked in nonsensical ways

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759425
>Arent we all?

[Anonymous No.]

>last samurais continue to insist Youtube is better just because that's what the weeb companies are using
The absolute state of samuraikeks

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759470
what do you want us to do? not like YouTube has a channel where they communicate website problems
twitch does

[Anonymous No.]

dev why CCV not pumping? marketing soon?

all numberfags are literal jeets

[Anonymous No.]

>chat speed of light
>watching 14k
Ok susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759470
What else are we gonna discuss? Kneeling to VShojo as they ultimately mog HoloEN in the future?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759470
CCV is all I have left in my life. If I let go of this I have nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

adding waiting room number to the current number makes the most sense to me to get the "actual" number

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759496
I notice this as well, Vshojo is the only company with a rising viewer base instead of the other big two.

[Anonymous No.]

im like unironically fucking furious and i don't know what to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759470
Bait posters who, having seen the top 3 of vshojo incline off of becoming part of the cancer clique at the top of Twitch, have now taken to shitposting all over the thread and idiots either replying in earnest or the same old samefagging tactics.
In other words, same old tactics, just new targets and subjects.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759340
>no time limit for vod
Can be dealt with by uploading vod's to youtube if all that matters is archiving. But vod views aren't as important to Twitch streamers.
>a better copyright system
This is better ethically but probably a detriment for streamers given the popularity of the react meta on Twitch
>a better algo to pick up new viewers
This can easily be dealt with by Twitch streamers also uploading some YT videos, which they can just hire an editor to make some stuff from their streams. And also other social media of course.

To me it seems like the smartest thing for streamers in the West is to stream on Twitch but also upload some stuff to YouTube. Twitch is better for streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759527
Frankly I wouldn't be surprised if the waiting room just get voided by this pajeet system.

[Anonymous No.]

Please, Nene, save Twappy...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759527
Or you could just watch vtubers on Twitch and not have to do any mental gymnastics for numbers

[Anonymous No.]

15k GET

[Anonymous No.]

Not like this number bros.. Im done with numbers...

[Anonymous No.]

15k now, let's see if she will pass the 23k waiting room

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759340
You should know by know there's no point in arguing with twitch beggars.

[Anonymous No.]

Where is Fbk? We need the bugs to help push to 30k, their bots bypass the slow incline somehow

[Anonymous No.]

17k likes
15k viewers
YOUTUBE SAIKYO

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759550
>sour grapes that holos can't benefit from collabing with OTV and inclining since they're stuck on YT
Don't hate the playa

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759565
No, fuck off twitchfag.
There's a reason I stopped watching streams on Twitch once I started watching chubbas. Even if the numbers are fucked, I'm still watching who I watch anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

Here is something funny
>One session of Fubuki 40k fishing had more "hours watched" than the 12 hours Mikorone stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759548
tweet @teamyoutube

[Anonymous No.]

>I have come to save this live

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759662

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759539
Whether people here like it or not being on Twitch plus not having as much restrictions on what you can do can help in growth potential. It would be smart for Nijisanji to experiment by having some stream on Twitch more.

[Anonymous No.]

Dang, susan decide to act against hololive after pekora and gura outfit reveal numbers....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759651
Your youtube vtubers won't be lasting long at this rate once Susan culls them to 0 lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759656
I'll give you their answer
>views are not updated live, spam viewers, etc
>if you want personalized help you can get it through your creator dashboard

Meaning
>if it is not your channel getting affected buzz off

[Anonymous No.]

>23k waiting room
>CCV drops from 16000 to 15990
It would be funny if it wasn't happening to important streams for numberfagging too.

How are we supposed to compare Towa's anniversary 3D live next year if this one is so fucked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759539
the biggest difference is niji and holo are established already over many years, vshojo is about a year old only on a platform without vtube giants so theyre just filling in those shoes. unsure where their limit is though most big streamers are like 20-50k depending on what they are streaming and large outliers like xqc who push 100k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759565
Why would audience choose their platform based on CCV display? Are you literally just watching the numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759662
Thank you AKZi and Roboco!

[Anonymous No.]

Hey dogfuckers, Gura gets better CCV playing Minecraft, what the fuck is this?
????????????????????????????

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759690
Susan in the pocket of Vshojo
Sad stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759520
>chat speed of light
Not really. Both visually, and according to holostats, chat speed is not that impressive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759474
has one would probably be a better description.
But don't worry, twitch will fuck over their streamers when they are forced to implement one for videos due to the react meta going on currently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759706
This is the numbers thread, if you can't appreciate Twitch = big numbers, fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

This dumb sunflower just blocked nijisanji's official account...

[Anonymous No.]

I think im done with numberfagging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759706
>Are you literally just watching the numbers?
That's literally what 95% of numberfags do.

[Anonymous No.]

I bet towas 3d wont beat watames in ccv but it will still do so in total views in a few days

[Anonymous No.]

Yo leona utawaku is not this low before....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759703
Just look at views right after the stream since VOD views seem to be less immediately affected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759401
>>15759161
Can some anon go on twitter and inform A-chan or FBK about this culling. Idc much about ccv since the VODs will showed up the real numbers anyway, but it seems the cull is starting to take affect on the girls. I want to but i cant moonrune and i doubt deepL can translate my intention correctly

[Anonymous No.]

>Gura singing in the dead of night with practically zero buffs and no announcement
>35k
>Towa's anniversary live with a guest list made only by god himself
>15k
Anything else to say jakinkeks

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive was using botfarms to boost their views this entire and the new system is simply better at detecting them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759691
I actually want them to do it.
Just cull CCV straight to zero while it's plainly obvious there's 10k+ people watching, chatting and voting in polls.
Then go out and have some tech journalists put YT on full blast for it's 'completely broken livestreaming system' because its outrageous clickbait and that gets views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759746
>just
This happened yesterday dumbarse

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759739
>when they are forced to implement one for videos due to the react meta going on currently.
Currently they're busy having a discussion with XQC and Gordon Ramsey on Twitter so it looks like they're taking their sweet ass time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759756
last one finally broke 1k after about an hour

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759739
>Twitch
>fuck over their streamers
This isn't Youtube, Twitch is actually run by competent staff

[Anonymous No.]

>Stalling at 17k instead of counting the rest of the 23k in the waiting room
FUCK this site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759756
*slashes your small corpo vtuber's CCV*
Nothing personal, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759768
>Towa
>Who?
There's your answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

the counter straight up stopped counting people for like a minute there

[Anonymous No.]

jesas Susan is raping towa's live views

[Anonymous No.]

No way its only 17K for an event stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
>Twitch is actually run by competent staff
Good one Anon. Got another joke for us?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
>competent staff
yeah, but only if you're a twitch toth which I guess some of them could pass as that

[Anonymous No.]

The JPs are reclining hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
Thanks, I needed a laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759784
And it was already fixed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759756
All vtubers on youtube use bots right???

[Anonymous No.]

Watamage... Haachamage... Please... Mercy, I beg of you... MERCY!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759879
Twap...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759864
>>15759886
>>15759891
Which site actually actively fucked over its streamers again just a few days ago, remind me of that won't you Youtubesharts

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759826
>>15759756

[Anonymous No.]

Its good to know HoloEN always had better numbers than HoloJP
Dead country, dead subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825

[Anonymous No.]

Well mahjong draft getting gold (if that's still relevant) is all but confirmed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759911
if by bots you mean fans that often watch, like, and sub, then I guess yeah
t. bot according to JewTube

[Anonymous No.]

If it's any consolation we've still got twitter trends

[Anonymous No.]

3k likes more than live viewers, still under 5k of the fucking waiting room when we all know how streams grow over time
this is actual fucking sabotage

[Anonymous No.]

>New numbers. What do you think?
>Whoa. Very nice. Take a look.
>Picked them up from holostats yesterday.
>Good incline
>That's 4.5k WNF. And the numbers used to be something around 10k
>It is very cool, Watame. But that's nothing. Look at this.
>That's really nice.
>Pekora unboxing stream, 14k. What do you think?
>Nice.
>Jesus. This is really super. How'd a nitwit like you get so culled?
>I can't believe that Ayame prefers Pekora's numbers to mine.
>But wait. You ain't seen nothin' yet.
>8.5k Ayame stream, culled from 33k...
Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Mikkorone's numbers
>Look at that subtle 3k dip before the peak. The tasteful thickness of the vote to ccv ratio. Oh my God, it even has 2m VODs...
>Is something wrong? Watame...you're sweating.

[Anonymous No.]

This should be 80k by now bros...

[Anonymous No.]

reminder that for most of jps it was usual that their peak ccv numbers would at the very least double what the waiting room had

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
Anon, I'm a Twitchfag but they're not competent. Still, they're much better off than 5 dollar pajeets on PR and Customer Service.

[Anonymous No.]

It's obvious Youtube want viewers to watch real life live streamer instead of anime vtubers...I'm not surprised if some of the popular live streamers already complain to youtube that their live viewers are losing to anime vtuber....

[Anonymous No.]

So what do we do to fix this?

[Anonymous No.]

Am I a bot all this time?

[Anonymous No.]

If Towa's new original has a good MV it should take off (relatively), it's genuinely really good.

[Anonymous No.]

im already off the deep end im just going to compare unique chat users and shit from Hololyzer of this Live to Towas older Lives from this year and see if theres major discrepancies that way after the show

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759984
at least 40k
this is outrageous

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760016
>>15759764

[Anonymous No.]

The Kanata 3D live number looks great compared to these recent ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759983
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760016
Unironically march into youtube headquarters in San Bruno, take hostages, and start making demands

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
>Twitch is actually run by competent staff
Not even Twitchfags would agree with this. Although YouTube seems to be worse at the moment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760018
join us brozer

[Anonymous No.]

>Pakora
RIP numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760016
we don't...
I'm coping right now and think Susan did this to keep numberfaggin competitive since we don't know who gets culled and how much will they get culled.

[Anonymous No.]

oh no pekomiko bros not like this...

[Anonymous No.]

hasnt even reached the waiting room number yet fucking kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760016
Send them a message kyoani style

[Anonymous No.]

Guys ccv is bs just numberfag vods numbers. Just let the schizos have their twitch number.

[Anonymous No.]

19k get! Give Towa your energy numberbros! AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Anonymous No.]

Where is the MiKorone new song? Is it going to get uploaded to youtube?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760040
she probably had 100k with this culling rate

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759972
Looks like new bot-culling algo isn't able to cull likes added by bots. I will report that to yt stuff, so they could fix that asap.

[Anonymous No.]

19k get...

[Anonymous No.]

YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE LAUGHED!

Her live was the first affected by this.

[Anonymous No.]

Some of you guys are alright.
Stay away from YouTube hq tomorrow

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760145
I kneel watamage

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760120
at this rate i'm content with 20k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759764
I'm pretty sure they know. There's not much they can do when Youtube is insisting it's a feature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760145
I'm sorry for laughing at your numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>xmas karaoke relay crushing all event streams since

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760145
>People keep spamming emotes
>They keep getting flagged as bots
>Numbers get progressively lower and lower through the year

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760131
we know but it takes at least a day for vod numbers to start stabilizing..

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760145
no! not like this watamage!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760170
From noel's comment i dont think most if them do. Especially those who arent interner/tech savy

[Anonymous No.]

Is this a real fuck-up by Susan, or are japanese fans just botting schizos? I know that the idol fans over at japan are pretty hardcore, I wouldn't put it over them to bot their oshi's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760170
They already know, but it remains a question if they consider it important enough to hassle youtube over it.

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone shits on niconico but even that site doesn't fuck up numbers like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760170
They better fix it or else a schizo might stealthily apply a burning feature on their HQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760170
>Youtube is insisting it's a feature.
To be fair, that should've been a sign that any CCV talk should be taken with a huge grain of salt.
They literally said the number you see may be inaccurate so why does it matter at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760196
By december 3views will be a compliment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760145
People laughed... At watame and her wife and said both have declined, and look what happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760016
Get big Vtubers to talk about this to their managers about this? Hope that journalists write articles about this? I don’t know, but I just want it fixed. I feel so bad for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760147
>>15760074
You guys kid but ...
https://abcnews.go.com/US/youtube-shooting-suspect-nasim-aghdam-visited-gun-range/story?id=54227864

>YouTube shooter Nasim Aghdam visited gun range before attack, was 'upset' with company's policies: Police

>Aghdam was a prolific YouTube user who had recently made a series of vegan videos for her channel, her father said, according to police. "I'm being discriminated and filtered on YouTube," she said in one.
> (...) when the company changed its filters and she began to lose viewers, her feelings changed -- Aghdam claimed YouTube was censoring her content and not paying her for her videos.
>...
>When he learned his sister was in Northern California near YouTube headquarters, he grew concerned and told police that "she went all the way from San Diego so she might do something."
>...


Just saying ...

[Anonymous No.]

Probably should make a reddit post again with the waiting room fall-off for Twappi's live. We know they actually read the subreddit

[Anonymous No.]

>the likes count reach the waiting room number before the actual CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760215
It's not just Holo that's affected by the cull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760215
It's a genuine fuck up. Google just flagged 50% of Hololives fanbase as bots and more are getting flagged every day

[Anonymous No.]

TOWER 20k GET AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760239
We need dai-senpai to address this. Last time she commented on HoloX cull, the subs came back even if not all

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760215
Well I'm a bot according to youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760215
Even fucking 2views are getting hit dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759474
https://youtu.be/1Jwo5qc78QU
ContentID is a good system, the problem is the copyright law

[Anonymous No.]

20k GET HOLY SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760250
working as intended here

t.susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760277

[Anonymous No.]

Kanata 45k solo....i kneel.....

[Anonymous No.]

>Youtube is becoming the new Bilibili

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760247
Damn fucking brother just had to snitch on her. Fucking faggot

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora is on the screen and it's barely 20k...unthinkable

[Anonymous No.]

At this point we should just start counting the number of likes

[Anonymous No.]

It's over for numberfagging, now you can enjoy your oshi in peace without fretting about numbers.
Go out and enjoy your lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760215
Dunno a premiere just got 40k in 30 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760170
>Youtube is insisting it's a feature.
This always happens when enough people complain about something. Youtube will never fix anything, just put out a message saying that whatever is happening is just a new feature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760248
The first post got 5000 upvotes, whatever staff Cover has on the website knows it already.
It's likely there's nothing they can do.

Numberfagging CCV is fucking dead for the foreseeable future, but honestly, no one really cares to numberfag CCV outside of this thread anyways and it might be healthier for all of us.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760307
Bilibili inflates numbers to give both streamers and viewers more confidence, Youtube does the exact opposite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760277
>>15760292
Real numbers = 40k+ GET

[Anonymous No.]

Enter wheelbarrow more cull

[Anonymous No.]

Autism puzzle piece shows, fubuki comes out

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760325
my oshi will literally get mental damage from this and probably graduate
how can i enjoy live with that?

[Anonymous No.]

HERE WE GOOO!! CHINK BOOOST!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

FBK! Cmon chink bots

[Anonymous No.]

ZHANG TIME TO SHINE, FUBUKI IS HERE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760336
Youtube gives confidence to ludwig who can't break 20k

[Anonymous No.]

Towa got ayame!!!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Even if you double the number it's still pretty low considering the stacked guest list. I guess people just don't like Towa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760335
Did you miss Noel talking about it? >>15759161

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760351
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>suisei
>pekora
not even 30k

[Anonymous No.]

>Friend appears on stream
>Views quickly incline
Holy shit it's not a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760247
OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR

[Anonymous No.]

>this all-star lineup
>this piss poor number
how pissed are you, lads?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760369
kek

[Anonymous No.]

gura's 30k view karaokes (concerts)....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760377
>Ayame couldn't break 9k yesterday
Anon... It's over...

[Anonymous No.]

LETS GO BUGS!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760282
How would you know?

[Anonymous No.]

The guests for towa is perfect for numberfagging but youtube decided to fuck it up. FUCK YOU SUSAN!!

[Anonymous No.]

We love chinks now?

[Anonymous No.]

not even the bugs can help to reach 30k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760410
So old accounts are flagged as bots while new chink accounts aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
sister..........................

[Anonymous No.]

Susan can't even kill the bots. Useless site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760353
>>15760354
>>15760357
>relying on zhangs for last resort.

How low have you become /#/?

[Anonymous No.]

Towa did everything right this time. Great advertising too. What a shame.

[Anonymous No.]

>imagine counting chinkbots as PEOPLE instead of decades long accounts that has millions of hours watch in their platform

[Anonymous No.]

>The legit bots are the only ones that count for views

[Anonymous No.]

with all these guests this should be on par with vampire slayer Mel's 3d live

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760442
Go find a stream with less than 10 viewers or so, see if it counts your view or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760402
She was only wondering if she should stream since people might not be watching streams at that time because of the New Year's holiday, not commenting on her current CCV. Don't see what that has anything to do with them knowing or not knowing about any culls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760442
unironically test it on a 2 view streaming and disable your adblock, if you're not counted consistently then JewTube thinks you're a robosa

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760497
every 3d live after this needs fubuki as guest

[Anonymous No.]

what if its actually the fucking waiting room, are people just considered by youtube to still be there, what if you told everyone to refresh the page

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759161
I'm holding out on one last shred of hope that this is all because of the Holiday weekend and things will go back to normal once people stop their holiday festivities and settle back into the normal daily grind.

God I fucking hope so.

[Anonymous No.]

Can't wait to see the vods no. on this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760516
It's not directly related but it shows they keep in mind how many people are able to watch. So if the CCVs drop then they'll be sure to notice it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760404
doesn't really matter since losing 70% of your average live viewers will be a giant hit to every streamers mental health
Lamy

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760545
We need to compare this to towas other 3d live.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759703
It was always like that, a slow incline untill 20 to 40 minutes in
The only difference is that we are know caring about waiting room numbers and back then anons were called out for posting early numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760336
>Bilibili and Twitch try to inflate the number
>Youtube does the opposite
I don't understand at all...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760305
That was with bots or after culling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760542
I mean, the cull has been proven with evidence already, it just hits streams randomly.
Your last shred of hope should be it's a bug that they'll fix in the future and not a permanent cull.

[Anonymous No.]

The moment the stream end, i'll make an article on the comment section of this stream hoping faggots will pick it up and make it a trend on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760560
We don't know if the publicly displayed CCV is the same number they'll see in their private stats though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760593
I believe it's before

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760512
It should be better than her birthday stream. She didn't even have guests in the thumbnail that time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760566
Isn't Lamy already got hit by the cull last year? Her numbers seem normal

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760616
Judging from Kiara's comment yesterday I think they're the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760566
Of fucking course...

[Anonymous No.]

NUUUMBERS GOOD

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759825
ngl I chuckled reading this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760587
Youtube doesn't want cartoon streamers shitting the rankings

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760649
they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760616
Any anon could stream here? I and a few other anons were flagged so it'd be an easy check.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760290
>ContentID is a good system
No it's fucking not. ContentID is the system Viacom (and other behemots of the industry) forced on Youtube so they wouldn't crush them.

Here is how DMCA is supposed to work
1) Some streamer uses something that a company considers infringing on their copyright
2) Said company sends a letter (or a Fax) to Youtube signed by the responsible for the copyright claiming which video is infringing, which work of theirs is being infringed and demand (under DMCA) it to be taken down
3) Youtube, under DMCA, *must* notify the person that upload the video of all of that information and take the video down
4) The person that uploaded the video has the option to send a counter notice saying "this is not infringing, here is my personal information, forward to the complainant".
If he does Youtube *must* reinstate the video immediately, send the info to the company complaining and wash their hands off.

The company then can take the person to court or suck it up.
That's is a good system because it balances three things
1) Youtube doesn't have to decide if the work infringes or not, it is a matter for the courts
2) If the company has a claim and the other party decides to contest they can easily take them to court and win
3) When the infringement falls into "fair use" it means the party does *not* have a claim and, knowing that they would not win the case in court, they usually won't proceed
4) As the system is manual, companies can't just claim everything ever made by mankind belongs to them (as some company did with FUCKING BIRDS SINGING), they workload means they won't bother going after small infringements

With ContentID the equation changed: companies just submit everything they own, some things they **don't** own and Youtube enforce their claim on anyone uploading it, and usually without recourse (because unless it is a strike you can't even send a counter claim)

ContentID is a dumb system and anyone defending it is a retard including whoever made that video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760632
Ok, then it wasn't so impressive. Would be below 20k without bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760649
the truth is no one knows what their actual numbers are after last year's cull. it is just that this year the cull is even worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760442
>>15760282
>>15760514
Ok I just did this and the number didn't go up when I joined, or when I disabled adblock and refreshed a view time. Stayed on 2 views. Apparently YouTube doesn't count me as a viewer.

Also that side I felt guilty when I closed the tab of her stream. I was her only viewer....

[Anonymous No.]

22k apparently the caps for Towa's live

[Anonymous No.]

In all of this, numberfagging getting fucked is such a minor issue...
Fucking with ccv affects multiple things, sponsors, exposure, rankings.
Yes, stream hatchet is shit, but it exists for a reason, they sell the data they gather to ad buyers/sponsors...

And last but not least, the mental strain a drop in numbers will cause to the streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760654
it hasnt finished processing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760340
considering the slow incline, this could very well be closer to 60k for Suisei, Fubuki and Ayame's appearance

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760512
>on par with vampire slayer Mel's 3d live
At **very least** with Haachama's live

[Anonymous No.]

OH GOD IT'S DROPPING

[Anonymous No.]

Anime incels aren't welcome on my platform

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760593
that was after the culling, the first sign of low CCV was right after christmas relay. Kanata's concert was probably 80k+

[Anonymous No.]

Fubuki is gone along with chink bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760510
sounds like something pajeet coding would actually do

[Anonymous No.]

Lmao i went to a 2view stream and the number didn't change. I've been flagged as bot now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760738
Well good thing is that Nijisanji knows how to host tournaments and events that bring huge numbers even with culls.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760743
Well we can compare the VOD views with another 3D live VOD before the cull

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760654
>Apr 10 2021
Anon…

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760738
>affects sponsors
Not really, sponsors look at your VOD views, they couldn't care less about ccv.
As for ranking and whatnot... No one other than numberfags care about rankings, the only rankings the might matter are the SC ones, and even then it's not really a metric to how good a chuuba is

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760654
Easily a 2M VOD once its done processing. Its already up to 1.7M

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760743
With this lineup.this is an 80k+ live last year.

>>15760738
I can't believe Cover only numberfagging combined sub numbers in their presentation was the correct choice to avoid bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/shiranuiflare/status/1477962291115360264
>ark
prepare for debuff season, 2022 will be the downfall of hololive

[Anonymous No.]

>went from 22k to 21k after chinkbots left
How does it feel to be considered less than human compared to chinkscraps, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760789
i find it really funny fubuki an her chinks retinue

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760823
I think he's showing how stupid the numbers are since everything is the same except for much higher vod numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760649
If this is really the case your best shot at something happening is to convince the Twitch streamers that YT poached that something is fucked up with their numbers too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760654
i hate it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760512
Imagine THIS had about half the viewers haachama had on her 3D live, with the shittiest most ambiguous shilling ever... People didn't even know who the guests coming were...

[Anonymous No.]

17 minutes till live end (if standard length). I really doubt she will break the waiting room numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

And people wonder why Twitch isn't concerned with YouTube poaching some of their streamers. As long as YouTube keeps being complete retards with their streaming stuff like with all of this it Twitch will still dominating live streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760853
he's retarded for comparing a stream that ended an hour ago to a stream 9 months ago. that's how you know he's a blatant shitposter

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760823
That's the point.
That VOD had the same peak and had 8 months to pick up VOD views and it's still 400k lower than Mikkorone part 2.
Mikkorone part 2 isn't even done counting views yet, it'll be closer to 2 mil tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760654
JP is inclining?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760873

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760812
great for the streamers.. Oh wait.. Nijisanji sure is the definition of all for one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760701
>If the company has a claim and the other party decides to contest they can easily take them to court and win
>they can easily take them to court and win
Sure. Even if they win, they probably lose more money

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760823
That's the point anon. That a stream with the same lengthish, comparing the CCVs, the final vod views make no sense whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760837
And I believe they can watch the analytics too, which is way accurate for just ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

are chink bot dead? I only saw 1 spam comment which were changing name repeatedly.
It seem comments from any user that was bind to same account are group to 1.

[Anonymous No.]

For any anon who got flagged, try logging out. I got registered as a viewer when not logging in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760910
Twitch banned Drdisrepect for whatever reason, they don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>stream actually peaked with the waiting room numbers
kek

[Anonymous No.]

so towa didnt even manage to beat her waiting room this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760873
It makes me unironically want to execute a youtube employee every hour until the anti bot features are reverted

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760837
God this take comes up all the time and it's retarded. There's sponsors who want to sponsor live streams not VODs. Why do you think there's sponsors on Twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760738
Sponsors will care about vod views more on YT.
CCV matters more to sponsors on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760926
Weren't we talking about sponsorships though?

[Anonymous No.]

Usually when shilling time start the numbers goes down pretty fast but not in the new system tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760910
I already know twitch doesn't care about anything.

[Anonymous No.]

Every 3D live needs Fubuki and her chink squires

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760906
they're gonna have to start culling waiting numbers too - it's just ridiculous otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

I'm relieved actually
>no Vtuber will beat Coco numbers
>no Vtuber event will beat Koshien
>no Vtuber outfits reveal will beat Gura
>no Vtuber archived karaoke will beat Chloe
>no Vtuber debut will beat Koyori
>no Vtuber unarchived karaoke will beat Gura

[Anonymous No.]

>still numberfagging
lel
It's all for nothing. None of the numbers we see matter. Graphs, charts, trends. Nothing.
let's just turn the thread into /news/ with some SC discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

30k likes....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760937
>Screams internally after seeing her numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760837
CCV is still important for live streaming sponsorships, they're sold like how TV stations sell ad time. "THIS many people might watch our streamer shill your product live!". Noel's gyudon sponsorship a year back even had CCV stretch goals. You can't dismiss it entirely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760985
Do you think the money paid for a twitch sponsorship is the same as a youtube one?
Why the fuck would a sponsor want to have only 5k people watch their add when they can have 100k give or take, of course there's some inflation but it's still better than just 5k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761014
Subs, SCs, Vod views.
Only thing we can do, since CCV is utterly broken beyond all repair, and I doubt YT's gonna ever fix it because this is absolutely a 'feature'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760866
how was hololive ARK numbers back then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760837
Nah, as I said stream hatchet and their reports exists for a reason, the data sells. Ranking in medians etc are pure numberfagging, but watch hours as bad as it sounds is valuable..

With this hit to ccv pekora better turn up to a 10 hour a day streamer to keep her 2nd place since she it fucks her royally.

[Anonymous No.]

>still not reached the waiting room #
>Likes going up all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761007
I still have faith in Gura's 3D debut. It'll pass 200k

[Anonymous No.]

On the bright side... this won't affect Towa's median much since 20k would've been on the far end of her numbers anyways.
But since her account is culled, her median is going to be fucked at this point anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

SOMEONE PLEASE MAKE A REDDIT THREAD ABOUT THIS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761085
vod views and subs are not safe either since those get randomly culled too. superchat I think is the only safe metric to numberfag about

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761085
>people with high engagement get shadow banned
But who does this serve other than scaring off live streamers. Nijisanji and Hololive should unironically go to twitch just to let the world see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760865
> Cover only numberfagging combined sub numbers

fucking sad but yes, less headache for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760932
That's how the system is supposed to work. Copyright as a concept is a concession from the general public to the creators. Here is how it started in the western world

>the government of the jurisdiction you hda business granted a you fourteen (14) years exclusive publishing rights on your work and would enforce it so nobody else could infringe on it
>in return, after that period, it would enter the public domain

You could opt out of that, there was no automatic copyright on works.
If you did you could try to prevent other people from copying and republishing your work on your own for as long as you was capable, but the state wouldn't help you in any way.

It was a good deal initially, the whole purpose was to give a hand to incentivize people to be continuously creative. Then, 100 years later, copyright terms was increased gradually until what it is now
>life of the author plus 75 years

It ceased to be a good deal for the general public, which is supposed to invest hundreds of millions in enforcement for someone else "intellectual property" with zero benefit for society at large because nobody alive will EVER benefit from works made during their lifetime entering public domain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761109
Mate, majority of hololive fans youtube accounts have been discounted as viewers by YouTube intentionally because they don't want anime girls dominating their platform. It's over.

IT'S OVER.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761125
>reddit
anon wtf

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive will cry and beg forgiveness to Xi Jinping for numbers from now on.

[Anonymous No.]

>A 3D stream is barely at 20k
How will the rest of her streams end up like? 4-5k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761109
At this rate it'll be lucky to pass 20k. Youtube is hard capping CCV and refusing to let it go past a certain level no matter how many people join.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761077
You're so fucking retarded lmao. Some sponsors want to advertise via VOD, some want to do it via live stream, and some want to do it via both. Hell some want to advertise on the radio. This isn't a complicated concept for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761087
Back when the ark season was ending? Shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760865
>I can't believe Cover only numberfagging combined sub numbers in their presentation was the correct choice to avoid bullshit
how does he do it every time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760654
We laugh at bugman, but this is BiliBili tier.
It's time to welcome our corporate overlords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761109
Gura's 3D debut under new youtube

>24 million likes
>$13,000,000 in superchats
>42 million views after the video ends
>745 Peak CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761150
YOU WANT TO BITCH ABOUT IT HERE TO ABSOLUTELY NO ONE OR DO YOU WANT TO COMPLAIN TO SOMEONE WHO MIGHT BE ABLE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761109
>Hololive non-graduation event
>200k
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761162
>Gura still got 24k when overlapping with different karaokes, 35k when overlapping with an outfit reveal
I kinda have hope but not that much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761157
5k is Towa's average ccv, so with the new cap it will probably drop to 1.5k to 2k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760992
Not only, but yes for single big event sponsorships it's good. But they still fuck over their talent in the long run. But that's the general Nijisanji way so nothing weird with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761150
We love reddit and chinks now. Leave if you don't agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761202
FUGGGGGGGG :DDDD
can't bypass it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761162
>At this rate it'll be lucky to pass 20k
Anon she got 35k just a few days ago, during the 2nd cull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761194

[Anonymous No.]

So what are the real numbers? A 23k waiting room was usually a 70k+ affair.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that for some reason, Pekoras DQ stream was completely fine too. It actually beat this 3D stream
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/d-Iy2E0vzEw
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/YsvEWEEUWa8

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760778
why does this bitch have multiple menacing pictures of her, is she aware?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761250
This is a progressive cull. Their numbers are going to get lower as more fans get flagged. A chumbud decides to send some emotes during her next karaoke? Haha get fucked you are now a bot. Even top streamers like Gura will get fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761230
It doesn't matter whether you have 100k or 10k viewers if only 1k of them send superchats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761087
ARK starts hololive boom in Japan. Minecraft starts hololive boom worldwide, thanks to pegor

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761182
Yagoo's luck is SSS tier.

Watch as his bullshit game project fails to flop and sees massive success instead.

[Anonymous No.]

How do we stop watamage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761291
>Pekora's DQ
>only 23k
>completely fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759041
https://virtual-youtuber.userlocal.jp/office/vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761282
Likes rarely go past 50% of the CCV so you take the number of likes a video has and multiply it by 2.25, which in this case would give you a number of 70k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761291
the mikorone 24h got progressively worse. probably got even more box pushers marked as bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761250
More accounts are getting flagged every day. Mikorone Part 1 hit 48k. Part 2 couldn't even hit 30k. Gura's numbers are going to decrease even more too.

[Anonymous No.]

Before Towa dropping her EP

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761332
If only Craftopia becomes massively popular again for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761313
???
It of course matter since it affects what kind of sponsors you can attract?

[Anonymous No.]

Youtube(google) new 2 steps sign-in systerm
>your username and password
>verify that you don't watch anime, video games, music channel not signed major record label, internet historian, Ssethzeentach.
failing both means you're a bot

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761332
>game project
>gives the REAL viewer numbers when they do their fan events there, with stats they can supply to sponsors instead of relying wholly on Youtube's metrics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760701
>Here is how DMCA is supposed to work
That's how things already works when copyright holders when send a DMCA takedown
The ContentID system is something apart

[Anonymous No.]

I know we're all mad about Towa's numbers right now, but Rushia got rawdogged last night.

https://vrabi.ml/video/ltsWv1EHVm4
>16.5k peak, 1:34:00 duration
>375k VOD views in 24 hrs
DYRBI?

[Anonymous No.]

Again, it's not the channels that getting culled, it's the viewer accounts. There's no cap or fixed percentage because every stream attract different type of audience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761392
The kind that see huge numbers on a main stream???

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761385
MIGO DOMINATION!!!

[Anonymous No.]

I think it's the youtube AI learning something it shouldn't, like thinking that all accounts that watch a certain group of channels are bots, ebcause that's how actual bot farms function. They probably give it more leeway to affect CCV because it's not as important to youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761312
>>15761377
This is literally headcannon at this point anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761182
Yagoo! I kneel. Please save us from the bullshit Youtube keeps giving us!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761282
Really depends on a subscription plan Cover bought for Towa.
If it was Ultra bot (one they usually buy for big events), then current 20k + 150k bots = 170k
If it was Platinum bot , then current 20k + 70k bots = 90k
If it was Gold bot , then current 20k + 40k bots = 60k

[Anonymous No.]

We've reached the time where likes is more than ccv for HoloJP

I don't like this at all. Usually CCV is 1.5 or 2x higher than likes but Towa has 32k likes and 20k ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761388
FUCK!
knowing his luck, it's gonna happen due to xqc picking up the game and somehow funnels the potential customers to hololive earth

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761347
For DQ? Doesn't seem bad. This was months ago but still

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761392
>it affects what kind of sponsors you can attract?
lol at least look at what sponsorships and who gets sponsored in Niji and Holo before sprouting this rubbish.

CCV literally doesn't matter. Branding and image fit matter way more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761406
>The ContentID system is something apart
My point exactly. ContentID doesn't give you a recourse, it just flags and claim / demonetize your video.

There is no "counter notice" system, you can appeal and youtube can unilaterally say "sorry, we totally had someone look at it and your appeal is denied" and that's final

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761182
I kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761478
*holotopia

[Anonymous No.]

It literally couldn't return to the waiting room number in an hour.
FUCKING DOGSHIT WEBSITE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761487
I could see it being higher because she's actually playing the game instead of grinding the monster gacha, but yeah, 25k-30k is entirely within expectations for DQ1.

[Anonymous No.]

Time to numberfag Towa's post views with her old concert

[Anonymous No.]

Pego already 20k waiting....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761150
It's at least OFFICIAL anon
Screaming it /here/ won't help

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761465
And even if it is, Gura could be easily hitting 80k on those streams where she's getting 30-35k right now. I fucking hate youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

okay so these are the final numbers at the end of the stream so multiply the likes by 2.25 you get 74k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761544
Wait 3 days to give it time to process first.
Kanata's recent one passed her last anniversary in 2 days. (64k peak)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761414
This. It's accounts getting flagged as bots and becoming ghosts. By the look of things it's getting worse every day too. This isn't a one off thing liek last year, this is literal numbers AIDS that is running through Youtube like wildfire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761487
Why are you comparing monster collecting autism to actual gameplay stream ?

[Anonymous No.]

28k waiting room for the crazy rabbit.
Surely won't reach that number in 20 min.

[Anonymous No.]

>でも正月だからそもそもあれか、団員さんとかホロライブリスナーさんのみんな、もしかして、お正月で配信とか見ない感じと思って。見ない感じなんかなと思って。だからね団長配信逆に、ーん、どうしよかなって悩んだけども団長がしたいからしようかなと思っております
If it's true, then they do care about ccv and the youtube analytics they have is garbage

[Anonymous No.]

that production value is on par if not better than Mel's 3D stream. Cover really picked up progress in terms of their 3D department with props for their home3D as well. shame about the bug

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761571

[Anonymous No.]

>30,167 waiting
this will get 15k max

[Anonymous No.]

DQ 1 is like the shortest legitimate turn based rpg that exists. It's not easy to get hyped over.

[Anonymous No.]

30k now. FUCK YOUTUBE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761606
Who said this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761196
>>15761125
someone done it once
https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rte35r/youtube_is_massively_undercounting_live_viewers/
feel free to do another, but then do it with more conclusive data and no 4chan slang

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761500
Disagree, I'd say CCV actually matters if you're trying to attract your first big sponsorship. If you've a proven track record and interest in every other aspect besides Youtube CCV remains high then yes, I agree it stops mattering.

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora 34k waiting
>means 34k peak

[Anonymous No.]

33,744 waiting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761453
I honestly don't get what you're on about anon.. Numbers of a streamer affects what kind of sponsors they can attract. Do you think pekora would be the square enix girl if she was a 1k streamer?
the thing with Nijisanji is that they seem to love the idea of trickle down, big events on official channels or 1 specific streamers channel. But the trickle effect doesn't happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>jwu
>peak 23k
I'll never forgive Susan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761621
It's Pekora DQ. Nousagi were hyped for it.

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAAAAAAH SUSAN TASUKETEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761465
>Headcanon
See pic here >>15761590
You think 20k less people tuned into the Mikorone concert than they did day 1? We know numbers are getting lower every day. The Holos at the start of the cull weren't getting hit anywhere near as hard as this. By tomorrow there won't be a single stream able to get over 20k.

[Anonymous No.]

Bros. What do I do. Now that numbers don't matter how do I decide which stream should I watch? Should... actually watch streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>Pekora's room
>4k likes with 30k waiting
Surely this is a more accurate number of likes to viewers rather than Towa's like with 35k likes and a max ccv of 23k

[Anonymous No.]

How much vods no. towa got?

[Anonymous No.]

Towa at 35k likes, Watame has 28k atm and Kanata had 48k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761407
Of course it's bullshit. A collab like that would normally be much higher in CCV so when it failed to break 20k there were plenty of us who already said it was getting culled.

[Anonymous No.]

Japs think people spamming member stamps = getting flagged as bots.
I want to see them disable this and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761638
Noel. I saw it here <a href="//boards.4channel.org/jp/thread/38013920#p38014842" class="quotelink">>>>/jp/38014842,</a> so I don't know how legit it is

[Anonymous No.]

40k waiting
8k watching
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

40k watching before cull happened for pekora..

[Anonymous No.]

>9k

[Anonymous No.]

>goes down to 8k
susan...

[Anonymous No.]

>39,595 waiintg
i dont wanna look at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761590
Or...Part 1 had more hype. It also featured sankisei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761705
see >>15759161

[Anonymous No.]

Is this the actual pokemon tourney or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761638
When it was posted earlier, someone attributed it to Noel.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't know premiere's got this culled too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc05le75CfI

went from almost 10k to 1.3k and now barely 2.7 when the song started

[Anonymous No.]

>40k waiting
It won't even hit 30k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761291
DQ is as popular as pokemon in japan. Majority of pekos streams were 30k+ before

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761684
Utter headcannon and your sample size is basically one stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761705
Yay more mental breaks

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc05le75CfI

Tower dropping some FACT

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761750
Pegor autism tourny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761750
The whole concept is stolen from an official tournament that's either running or about to run so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760517
I wonder if they're incompetent enough to count Youtube Premium subscribers as bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759932
Remember when Twitch took down a bunch of VOD because of DMCA, zero communication to the steamers that got a bunch of messages saying their channel is going to be terminated because of over 100+ take downs putting their livelihoods in jeopardy?
Also the multiple underage sexual harassment that comes out of Twitch staff.
I sure the number disappearing magic isn't that bad in comparison.
Captcha: GAAYS

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora's old numbers are coming back.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking Holostats didn't captured the 40k peak.
>only 39.9k was recorded

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761788
Nice song, towa another hit??

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761722
Dude, it means we'll get a stream above 30k today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761770
Gura is never hitting 30k again. Fuck if Towa can only get 20k for a concert that has 70k watching then Gura won't even get 20k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761761
This one >>15759422 recovered in 2 minutes. The other one >>15759469 in 8 minutes so who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

21k PEKO! NATURE IS HEALING

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761651
>If you've a proven track record and interest in every other aspect besides Youtube CCV remains high then yes, I agree it stops mattering.
Again, actually look at who gets sponsored in both companies.
2views get sponsored next to Kuzuha and Kanae all the time.
Fubuki's CCV hasn't been top 5 in HoloJP for almost a year until her recent pokemon arc and she gets more sponsorships than anyone in Hololive.
Gen 5's CCV is mid-tier at best, but the 4 of them have been bundled together for more than 4 convenience store sponsorships last year.

If anything, subcount is more important for sponsorships because it means your advertisement is exposed to more people.

[Anonymous No.]

is niji mahjong today?

[Anonymous No.]

this is madness

[Anonymous No.]

>>15760964
That ban must've been ordered by one of the higher ups in Amazon themselves, I'm talking about Board of Directors stuff. No way would Twitch just ban one of their biggest cash cows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761621
You forgot the ojisans that watch while drinking sake

[Anonymous No.]

Hoshikawa new outfit stream. Wonder how this is gonna go

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761834
Hold your horses. It's unconfirmed if it'll affect EN as hard as JP as of now
Unless you're just setting up for a grudgepost of course then you can be on your way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761854
Talking about Gen 5, do not forget Botan is still the No.1 choice when it comes to FPS

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Bae! oh no!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761877
5k tops

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761862
The draft is.
Normally it should be a 40-50k+ stream on it's own, so PekoTournament and Towa's 3D live stood a chance.
But from the looks of it, both are getting fucked and Maimoto's channel was not culled the last time he streamed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761803
yes they do, I have premium and sometimes don't get counted.

I sometimes watch Tilde, a 6 viewer streamer and the counter doesn't go up.
She knows everyone by name and comments when they're in the chat, so it's not like anyone is leaving to subduct my view.
Sometimes it does get counted, but sometimes no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761834
Ogey

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761862
Just the participant lottery, but that should also get a lot of viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761893
fucking culled to 325

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eurJnOvW1tU

AN ACTUAL 2 view, feel free to test your theory

[Anonymous No.]

>tourist-central tourney gets decent numbers
is this the new meta?

[Anonymous No.]

>checks viewer count 3 minutes in
>16k, oh fast recovery
>checks holo.poi
>3 fucking 9 to the k
lmao im done

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761910
Nijisanji wasn't affected as much since they attract lots of tourist, and those are less likely to be flagged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761883
>It's unconfirmed if it'll affect EN as hard as JP as of now
kek >>15761931

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761803
Anon, I have12 month membership to a chuuba and I still don't get counted

[Anonymous No.]

Where is that Pekora's 39k came from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761834
Listen you tard Mori got 6k just today, a pretty normal jump king number for her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761883
I feel like it affected Gura pretty hard, her mom collab got the same numbers as Pekora's DQ1 (nowhere near the most popular DQ) and her unarchived karaoke relay finale + announcement was no different in numbers from her previous unarchived karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
Waiting room anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761686
Obviously yes. Give up, numberfagging CCV is a lost cause.

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora tournament 70k views in 8 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761854
Look at what I wrote, it stops mattering after you have a proven track record. Nijisanji and Hololive both have a proven track record as companies, the sponsors know that they'll do relatively well regardless of which chuuba or liver is chosen for the promotion. Or do you have a list of literal indie 2views getting the same sort of sponsorships Niji/Holo 2views do?

[Anonymous No.]

COME ON PEGOR, GET THAT 30K

SAVE US

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
Waiting room, but it's stuck under 30k right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
new system to protect out golds

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761877
>>15761905
>5k tops
Haha, based on the shape of the recovery she won’t beat her 3.5k waiting room either

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
the waiting room, it's what's been happening the last few days anon, some streams don't even manage to get back to waiting room numbers, that's why this thread is full of people who sound like they want to kill themselves

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
The waiting room. It gets caught just before the cull. Happens to all?/most streams recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761957
This has been happening to EN for a fucking year you shizos, it's new just for JP. Have you just been going lalalala recline when proof was posted here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
well it seems to be counting my view at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
Waiting room peak I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762006
JESAS

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761993
forgot pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762026
At no point did Baelz get culled down to 300 views last year you dumb cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>Enter a 2view stream
>CCV drops
bros I'm worse than a bot...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762026
This level of culling is unheard of and you should kys if you plan to say 50% overnight again
Dec 2020 algo change has nothing to do with what's happening right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761953
>since they attract lots of tourist, and those are less likely to be flagged.
That's a strange way to write:
>since they don't use bots

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762059
>116 dislikes
pakora desu ne

[Anonymous No.]

Susan can't stop the numberrabbit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762070
Kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762006
the criteria of channels getting flagged is so inconsistent. but I understand new streamers being exempted since their audience are new to the channel as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762059
What the f ...

NUMBERFAGS, EXLAIN THIS SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762026
post 1 (one) bae's stream before the cull that that ever happened nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762070
negative value anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762047
Still processing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762026
Can you do us a favor and kys already spic schizo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761963
Waiting room. Vrabi counts waiting room too, so if live peak CCV doesn't exceed waiting room's numbers, they will show waiting room's number as the peak

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762020
No actually I want to kill one youtube employee every hour until this issue is resolved

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762059
sorry cut off her ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762006
Her holo fans are watching pekotourney instead

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like this Pokemon has retarded hype that what we are not aware of, hence breaking through barriers

[Anonymous No.]

kek, shitposters stick out like a sore thumb. even nijifans have to admit there's culling going on. find some other baits

[Anonymous No.]

it's still missing like 6k people from the waiting room, what did you do to them youtube, you fucking terrorists

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762142
anon... this is peak kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762070
Same, it went from 45 to 43 viewers, while likes went up by 2 to 45.

I'm the anon with YT Premium btw
>>15761916

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762047
that's normal, dont worry anon. just look at Korone and Miko's vods

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora fighting against this cull through sheer force of will, it could have been a 70k+ stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762068
>>15762075
>>15762103
>>15762112
>no arguments
I swear you guys are fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762123
>>15762059
so this is a pekomama tier stream, fuck you Susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762160
hehehehe~

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762178
>Arguing with someone too retarded to understand percentages
No, I don't think I'll be doing that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762178
No arguments needed to be made to the 15 year old spicschizo with poor education who can't figure out percentage losses

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762123
Susan trying capping and ghosting pekora harddddddddddddd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762142
They're literally gambling with Metronome.
Like, random move bullshit, so of course the nips are gonna wanna see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762159
NijiEN's the only group not being culled because they're the ones closest to Twitch btw.

[Anonymous No.]

This is so bad, it's actually making me depressed to watch the live streams.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus this Peko stream could have beat 100K

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762123
Guras 191k outfit has something like 150k vod views on 10 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

Today could have been a kino day with every stream in the top 5 being over 50k.

[Anonymous No.]

>15 mins and still not at waiting room yet
Watch it stall under 40k at this rate.
Fuck youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

based BunnyQueen getting gold as usual, the cullcope means nothing to her

[Anonymous No.]

I get the feeling that the cull is flagging more and more accounts and just getting worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762243
There is still maimoto rraffle but who knows right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762243
>gold in 2022
Stop living in the past anon
Also, depends on if this gets culled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx7d6QDII

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762235
Holos had big plans, Mikkorone 24 hours funneling into Mikkorone 3D live funneling into Towa 3D live funneling into Metronome tourney.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762217
>NijiEN's the only group not being culled
NijiEN girls got hit pretty hard today during America prime time. the male gen's numbers are doing fine right now because their primary audiences are SEA women though I believe their numbers should be higher than the CCV suggests

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762243
>cullcope
anon... just look at last night, it was depressing

[Anonymous No.]

It's clear that holo and niji are being fucked over by this, the indies I follow are as well. What about "normal" streamers? I don't know how to check their numbers and I don't even know who are the popular YT streamers. Does anyone know if the stats changed for them?

[Anonymous No.]

So for whatever reason this cull is hitting each channel/fanbase on a different level...

[Anonymous No.]

it's literally a tournament where every move is gacha, nips should love this, hope this attracts non flagged tourists

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762235
It's the best time to treat your numberrot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762295
This is easily explainable, Luna is the one actually on Pekora's stream right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762310
Towa's fucking live with that level of stacked guests didn't break 25k, I refuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762006
WTF is going on....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762295
Luna is on the main stream now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762068
>>15762075
>>15762103
>>15762112
Why the hell are you spazzing out? Bae is already past the waiting room, Pekora isn't. It's clear that this ain't hitting EN the same, unless you wanna argue Kiara had 15k, Ina had 21k just yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762295
that's what frustrated people. no one knows what the fuck is going on and the culling amount or on whose channel is at random.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762310
If anything, this proves that numberrot was the correct way all along, if not for december 2020 we'd have been getting 50k golds 4 out of 5 days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762026
IRyS just got her lowest CCV peak today earlier, anon, with 3x Likes than CCV and on a relatively normal game (non buff, non debuff) even. I don't know about Gura, but unless you are trying to argue that IRyS somehow isn't HoloEN, clearly this fuckery is affecting EN heavily too.

[Anonymous No.]

Same thing is happening to the 2views, this is such bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762006
Nah, Hoshikawa is fine, she's at 5.3k now, but jeez.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762361
I want to argue Gura's numbers with her mom were sure as fuck way higher than 24k. Even at her lowest 2021 numbers there's no way in hell that was only 24k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762280
Perfect box-pushing, if only susan and pajeets ain't having an orgy every night

[Anonymous No.]

These fucking Pokemon numbers are making Mori's 5k look impressive somehow

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzV02mFEZ-A
Niji did this more than 2 years ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762390
sonybros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762361
It's happening to everyone. JP, EN, Niji, 2 view indies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762381
for all we know those culled people from dec 2020 never stopped watching and we should be getting 100k every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762390
Sony do something!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762217
>NijiEN's the only group not being culled
Kek

[Anonymous No.]

did Towa's number finish processing?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sorry for wishing to cure the numberrot in /#/ for this year 2022
This is not what I mean, I swear ...

[Anonymous No.]

Is this because of Holo X debuts? Susan saw all those huge ass numbers they have got on their first day and said "no anime here fags". Rate my poor tin foil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762406
they didnt invent it either, retard

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone check the numbers of Vamkyrae, TimTheTatMan and Ludwig the past month overall? I'm too busy watching Pekora and her gacha-autism tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762341
Her last 3D live got 67k and nothing I saw indicated this would be any lower.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762427
The VOD? No that takes hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762427
did at least a whole day pass already?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762435
Holo X was a mistake. They ruined everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762449
are there any site like holopoi for regular youtube streamers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762427
it takes fucking forever, which is why i refuse to numberfag vods, it's no fun at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762466
>>15762477
fucking hell...
SC is actually the only metric we can numberfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762436
Didn't say that, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762449
valk had a head to head with mikorone and won, SS a few threads back

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762427
Her VOD views have not finished processing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762481
>They
Susan & Pajeets

[Anonymous No.]

I thought HoloEN wasn't effected by the second cull due to their New Years numbers, but Bae is struggling to get 2k when she usually gets 6-8k. Debuff game I know but still...

[Anonymous No.]

Don't let Pekora's current impressive number distract you from the fact that she still has not reached her waiting room number.

For all we know, she could already be at 70k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762496
>muh fun
Have "fun" numberfagging tea leaf divinations.

[Anonymous No.]

VODs go through multiple stages of processing and culling, CCV is fucking dead, what do we have left aside from SCs? Even subs get culled nowadays...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762503
sc means nothing to most of them though

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762493
There's Playboard, I guess ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762435
Susan realized they had paid 30 million for a mediocre twitch streamer who would be trashed constantly by anime girls. To fix show that the investment was worth it they will rig the numbers, simple as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762529
Do it yourself then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762525
This should have been an 80k stream easy. Big collab right after new year + pokemon move gacha + peko channel

[Anonymous No.]

Pokemon tourny already have 119k views.

[Anonymous No.]

>Susan capping the Pekora tournament at 40K
AAAAAAAAAAAA FUCK YOU SUSAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762547
I know but it's the only accurate metric we have left...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762496
it takes like a day before the vod views come to a screeching halt so it's not that bad

[Anonymous No.]

it's capped at 40k

[Anonymous No.]

I thought en wont get culled but irys' usual 4k floor got culled by half into 2k and now bae too. How is the nijien girls doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762525
Of course this is still significantly culled. She got way more than this battling Polka not long ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762537
In progress views

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762537
shut up stinky orca

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762361
>already past the waiting room
That isn't the only metric for if someone is getting fucked by this. You don't just reach waiting room and magically now have the same gain/loss they would've had otherwise. Kiara's yesterday was especially fucking weird as the graph was almost a straight line with a max ccv never going above her poll number.

[Anonymous No.]

40k for peko
this should be 80k btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762550
FLIPBROS WE'RE INCLINING

[Anonymous No.]

We broke 40K maybe maybe maybe 50K pretty please Susan?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

TIme for peko to throw up a poll and see those african warlod voting %

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761812
No they're not, you should multiply by two that number easily for such a stupid tournament. Look at Foobs numbers on her Koiking streams, gacha+Pokemon= bug number. This time, gacha+Pokemon+Tournament+Pekora usual viewers should get much more viewers. These are in no way her usual numbers given the cull.

[Anonymous No.]

>41k in the cull era.
No seriously this must be 80k at least.

[Anonymous No.]

Broke through 40k, I wonder if it hits 50k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762608
>80k
probably more at this point>>15762123

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761812
No Pekora literally have 46k pokemon battle with polka and shion

[Anonymous No.]

Namibia cam viewers seem affected too, only 2.2k with an oryx herd on screen.

[Anonymous No.]

Waiting room numbers btfo!

[Anonymous No.]

Another gold for Pekora but at what cost?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
FUCK! IM A BOT NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762668
Nami bros ...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
>open stream
>-2 viewers
NOOOOOOOOO I'M SORRY

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762677
We don't care about gold now anon. Daily list is forever fucked unless susan fix this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

That is a lot of fucking tweets. MiKorone was culled hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
I AM REAL BOY

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
took about 40 seconds but I count as a viewer at least... I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759161
managerchan need to orient the girls how to make use of vod analytics, it's the primary basis for content creators, and a good cope for streamers the mean time

[Anonymous No.]

If vtuber startups are smart, they jump straight to Twitch since that is a growing and fertile ground.

But of course, /vt/ will be the only place smart enough to manage a vtuber company.

[Anonymous No.]

FEEL FREE TO USE THIS AS OP FOR NEXT THREAD

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762725
of course it was, VoD for first part is already at 2m

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762677
What's the point of gold when people can just respond with Nene's poll pic and proves CCV is garbage?
Extends to comparing youtube and twitch CCV too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762677
60k core holofags hidden

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
>enter
>-2 views

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
Stream with this many viewers won't be accurate. Ideally try to find some one with less than 5 viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762736
anon we've been shouting twitch debut for nijien debut since 2nd wave, it's not good for daily numberfagging though

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762725
it was grossly culled. during some high moments of certain segments there were views increases of 20k+ within a few minutes (less than 4 iirc) while the ccv stays the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
Stuck at 67 for me despite leaving and joining multiple times.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMTs9LZUQAQcvd3IhWpx8UQ
Uma musume has several streams with less than 10 viewers now, use this instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
>open stream
>goes up by 3
bros, what do i do with this power

[Anonymous No.]

are the Jap fans setting buildings on fire already? or aren't they talking about it at all?

[Anonymous No.]

roboco....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15761932
>Sony's vtuber
>2view
What went wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762746
This is better
>>15758086

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
jesas

[Anonymous No.]

>or aren't they talking about it at all?
kusa

Mostly they're blame ripple for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762888
>Sony

[Anonymous No.]

Toko is doing well, and she only has 3 streams for december.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
JESAS

[Anonymous No.]

I really don't think Iroha is going to regain her waiting room (7.1k).

[Anonymous No.]

Pakora is not getting culled. Stop coping. Her like to view ratio is normal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
SUSANNNNNNNNNNNN

[Anonymous No.]

http://ikioi-ranking.com/?p=6&&keyword=%E3%83%90%E3%83%BC%E3%83%81%E3%83%A3%E3%83%ABYouTuber&filter=1

Feel free to use this list of 1views to test urself fellow anons. Also you might need to wait one minute for the live view to update, it happened to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
she will become a 2view next year

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
This is actually tragic

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762908
once again, this time in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762926
fuck off nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762926
hey zhang, if you're gonna ignore the thread and come up with bullshit, at least get better bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
oof
back to the officejob

[Anonymous No.]

Serious question, why aren't some Holos and Nijis moving to Twitch's greener pastures? Atleast you're out of range from Susan's scythe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762668
I refuse to believe Oryx-chan is declining after just a single day

[Anonymous No.]

Roboco come on 200 more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762926
are you literally an African
in what 4th world trashhole do you live to still see dislikes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762912
Really good for these days

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762926
Stop trying so hard, zhang. Anyone who is not retarded can see the cull is real. Go eat some bat soup.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762917
Doesn't seem likely for Koyori either (5k).
I'm actually surprised Koyori already starts with a 5k waiting room actually.
Her recent numbers make it seem like she's a 6-7k peak streamer, but she might actually be closer to 10k afterall.

[Anonymous No.]

it seems that Iofy is ogey

[Anonymous No.]

welp, I'm gonna go to sleep knowing that Susan ruined numberfagging again. hopefully, Noel's concern will get Cover's people to talk to YoutubeJP and ask what's going on. to people who have 2/3 digit viewer oshi, hang in there, bros. it's gonna be a rough month for you guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762406
who cares

[Anonymous No.]

IRyS joined Bae for an impromptu Mario Kart collab, hopefully that can get her to 3k.

By the way, do we consider 3k a healthy average for mid Holos now or is that still midget?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762989
Horror + collab and ange has good numbers herself. It's really hard to say if she is culled too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763009
Numberfagging is fun and all but I'm more worried about the 2view and talents like Roboco.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762986
it's a zhang, someone already identified his pattern and everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762974
>Serious question

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762989
They were able to quickly restore the number of viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762974
>greener pastures
Twitch is much more stricter with copyright stuff. Utawaku would be completely kill there for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762986
He's the faggot who spams pakora and is using that half-assed "YouTube dislike readder " add on that isn't even actually proper since the API update. Aka, filter and ignore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763030
3k is good now, susei and ayame didnt even break 8k yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763009
kiaras already contacting her manager because of the poll bs. But I doubt youtube will do something about it unless Cover has the balls to threaten severe actions

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762974
>greener pastures
>hololive dominated the market being in youtube for 4 years
ccv is not everything, the girls just need a better understanding of what's going on

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763042
>Roboco
she will be fine considering she's the 2nd oldest member in hololive and the fact that she is IN hololive. it's the 2views that I'm concerned with...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762912
Yeah, it really looks like the more you streams the more you numbers get culled
Kuzuha and Rize are also strongly affected by the culling too
And obviously Korone who didn't stream much wasn't really affected but Miko who does was

[Anonymous No.]

Hey anons this might be a newfag question minus views on the "last day" column in holostats means that some videos at at given point got privated/deleted right? It doesn't have to be recent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763050
only stricter with songs currently.. For reacting to stuff twitch is currently lawless.. But they'll be fucked for that eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763049
for now but it has shown that it can still happen, roboco had a ncie stream yesterday and look at her now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763030
Who the fuck knows. 3k could really be 10k in this meta

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763074
Youtube won't give a shit about Cover, unironically social media pressure will help more by bringing it into the public eye and making current/potential sponsors aware that there's fuckery going on with Youtube CCVs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763009
QRD on Susan ruining numberfagging?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
that's actually interesting, it really gives more ammo to the flagging theory

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
Council knew this was coming all along.

Sasuga Lex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
But Ayame was hit hard...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763030
Nijien tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
>Kuzuha and Rize are also strongly affected by the culling too
The recent numbers they got were very cull-like, I wish they'll stream more often so we can truly make sure.
If we get a sub-18k Kuzuha Apex stream or a 7k Lize gaming stream, then we'll know for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
Explain Suisei and Ayame then

[Anonymous No.]

Roboco: culled
Pakora: not culled
The world is really unfair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
interesting theory honestly. But youtube would be completely retarded then

[Anonymous No.]

1k more to 50k....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
BS, Ayame failed to beat 9k recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
Not as egregious but kazamairohach also got hit pretty hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
Not true, ayame was culled hard. She didnt even break 9k yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763046
>someone already identified his pattern and everything
/jp/ already did months ago. Search 36861394 post on warosu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763191
i don't want gozaru to get sad...
fuck man

[Anonymous No.]

50k reached for crazy rabbit. Should be a 105+k CCV easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>15763160
Kill yourself faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

Roboco 1k! Thank you no. god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763088
Lize barely streams, chihiro stream shitton but her numbers are normal then theres ayame suisei

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763077
>Susan is killing everyone's numbers making it look like the number and career they built just collapsed especially for 2views.
>This is fine
Stockholm's must be high this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763118
That still won't do anything. Youtube will just call it a new feature to filter out spam viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763120
ccv is down but every other metric isnt, basically

[Anonymous No.]

50K PEKORA WE DID IT NOUSAGIBROS
now if we could only get to 70 and 80k...

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>Pekoschizo seething at Pekora getting gold despite the culled numbers

[Anonymous No.]

Okay after watching some guy with a voice changer play Apex badly for 5 minutes after turning off Adblock and restarting my browser I can confirm Youtube doesn't believe I exist. Tried again on my phone, same deal stuck at 1 viewer the whole time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763233
But it'll make sponsors more aware that declining CCVs =/= declining interest and thus make it less likely for this mess to affect any livelihoods.

[Anonymous No.]

Rabbit i kneel

[Anonymous No.]

This peko stream is a 100k+ stream if not for SUSSAAAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763172
Ayame's viewers probably are the same who watch other holos, so they were culled too
I'm guessing it's also a question of how the viewers interact with the chat

Kuzuha and Lize are the same type as holo aka a chat who keep saying うんうん and spam stamps
Chihiro isn't, mostly because the chat likes fucking with her

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762926
stay mad chink chonk

[Anonymous No.]

Okay if Pekkers gets 60k and above, I will personally offer myself to become Susan's slave for a month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763191
7k waiting room to still below 3k views 10 mins in

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763154
They participated in the Christmas relay. Users who watch them also watch other holomem, so it's very possible that people get flagged as a result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763120
CCV is fucked. Every other metric seems stable so you get retarded numbers like an 11k CCV stream resulting in VOD views equal to a 35k CCV stream a few days prior. Current best hypothesis is that accounts are randomly being shadowbanned as bots for live viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

Mahjong draft coming up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx7d6QDII

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763160
You must be really mad that she didn't stream on bilibili that one time. She doesn't give a shit about you subhumans kek. She still got gold despite the cull. Seethe, zhang. I reiterate, go eat some bat soup.

[Anonymous No.]

Learn the difference.

[Anonymous No.]

PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA PEKORA

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763315
I'd even say 130k+ if Pekora is as culled as Towa is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763374
>gold
there' still mahjong, lets not jinx it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763383
you're really slow with paint bug

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763120
what the others said on pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763383

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't caught up to the shitshow, but how are the small midgets affected by the cull like .LIVE and such. Is this an automated system or a conscious target by youtube?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763383
please screenshot Roboco & IRyS as well, ty 4 the views

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763435
A lot of nijis are affected as well so it's probably not conscious

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763435
seems like sony's 3view is a 2view now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763435
Most likely an automated system target at bots, vtuber fans just happen to have very bot-like behavior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763435
I don't follow .Live, but Vspo for instance looks like they lost half their CCV (at least from the top ones that I follow like Nose and Sumire).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763485
That's bullshit. How are Sony Vtubers getting affected then if they're sub 200 views for the most part?

[Anonymous No.]

Pekora's stream has over 10k less likes than Towa's had this far in but over twice the CCV. Amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763509
Wait till the end of the week, more JPs will start to realize that this isn't a holiday debuff and there's something fucky going on. Right now they're probably still attributing it to people being away for New Year's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763383
Did Pekora successfully evade the culling as she did back then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763485
>automated system target at bots
that just means YT has no idea how to differentiate bot accounts and just threw together some blanket "IF"s that suppress everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763511
their AI probably flag accounts instead of channels, so it doesnt matter. You can test it yourself if you're a bot by joining a 1view and see if the counter rises after a minute

[Anonymous No.]

welp...
Holostars and Holoid don't seems to be affected yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763511
They got fucked too, Uno was always over 100 for the biggest debuff streams

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763511
It's not the vtubers getting flagged, it's almost certainly user accounts getting marked and removed from CCV.
So, those who watch a lot of indies but get flagged? Boom, you cease to exist in CCV, you are a bot.
Just means there's quite a bit of overlap between some of these who watch these smaller chubbas and that watch bigger ones too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763560
Well we all know youtube AI system is fucking trash

[Anonymous No.]

>50k get

This is probably a 100k+ viewer stream

[Anonymous No.]

This is what happened when you unbraided Pekora's hair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763540
While true, the people who watched Towa's live are her fans, whereas Pekora probably has lots of tourists right now.

Her 50k looks big, but Pekora was culled hard too, her waiting room was already 40k.

[Anonymous No.]

51k pegor actually beat the system??

[Anonymous No.]

Sutopuri at 34k for all of the fags in a NY special is absolutely fucked lol

[Anonymous No.]

Could the viewers' nationality responsible for the cull?
Youtube takes the country with the major ccv and compared it to the rest, If the ratio is higher than a certain limit then the foreign live view got uncounted/ counts as negative ccv.
The reason Hololive got hit harder than niji was that they have much bigger oversea fanbase.
EN was less affected because their views vary widely in the world so there is no major country to cull view from?
The recent Towa's ridiculous number was because Towa is one of the holo with the highest oversea ratio??

[Anonymous No.]

>>15759248
Lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763609
It might have a lot of non-regular tourists, like the Niji special.

But i'm more willing to believe that the real number is closer to 150k than 50k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763606
sometimes anons forget how much of a number monster Pekora is

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763606
Towa's live had a billion guests, there would've been tons of tourists watching

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763616
Do they usually get like 80k-100k for this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763616
fujos do something

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763575
That's my point, it is not Youtube "fucking up in their bot detection", I doubt they would have anti bot kick in on a 200 views stream.

They changed some parameter in their "what is a viewer" threshold in a deliberate way, something like
> an user is only a viewer if he stays in the stream for more than (let's say) 5 minutes without tabbing out, muting or obscuring the screen

I doubt it is a bug, it is a deliberate change

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763609
She is at 100k at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763596
She is not getting culled. The cull isn't consistent. Her like to view ratio is normal: >>15763383

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763616
They not vtuber?How??? Jun didn't get effected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763627
So you are not allowed to have international audience? That's stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763653
Their Halloween stream got 129k lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763652
>They changed some parameter in their "what is a viewer" threshold in a deliberate way, something like
Here is some other ways they could have changed it

>A viewer, after landing on a stream, will only counts as a viewer for **that** stream for the next X minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763684
if you have something anime related you get culled it seems

[Anonymous No.]

> People wished for the insane numberrot to end during the HoloX debut month.
> cull happened and now people can barely see 10k streams
Be careful what you wish for anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763653
I'd expect 50k minimum from them for that kind of stream. The fact that they're at 34k is HIGHLY abnormal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763609
Pekora vs Polka got 46k, this stream is at least 100k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763383
Pekora's likes to views ratio has always been trash, what's showing in the pic is way above her average you giganigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763713
i didn't wish for shit, fuck you watamage, your live sucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763713
watamage, pls gib back number!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763652
it could mean that karaokes are going to be heavily affected

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763713
I wish Susan gets cancer

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763627
An indie I watch has a 99% JP audience and her views got halved overnight

[Anonymous No.]

Mahjong draft waiting room peaked at 10k.
Now 6.3k after starting.
https://vrabi.ml/video/2GGx7d6QDII

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763713
watamage instead of shitting on us, do something to that fucking susan whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763609
Nah this is a 100k get. The waiting room had 40K people in it, pekora just got culled less than Towa who didn't even break her own waiting room of 23K.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763557
>>15763557
She never escaped any cull dumbass, not this one nor the one from late 2020.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763713
fuck you watamage!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763609
nope, see>>15762123

[Anonymous No.]

okay I was watching Maimoto and he got culled the same way.
He regained his a little faster though..

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763754
how they did last year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763754
that stark difference on waiting room... i'd go insane if this beats pegora

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763754
Maimoto on track to reach peak and surpass it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763754
drop wasnt as big so should rever faster since maimoto hasnt streamed a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763754
It's not breaking 30k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763790
Yup meanwhile Iroha had a 7k waiting room and she's stalling at 3k now after 37 mins...

[Anonymous No.]

someone should really look into correlations with waiting room sizes

[Anonymous No.]

10k reached and recovered

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to quit numberfagging before we see the end of January statistics, I don't want to see it.

[Anonymous No.]

Based maimoto

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763804
>Towa
87% drop
>Pego
80% drop

I guess so...

[Anonymous No.]

I don't think Maimoto is even going to break 20k lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>15762887
Roboco is actually a bot.

[Anonymous No.]

maimoto 10 minutes mark:
11k ccv
26k views

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763905
20k should be easy, only 10 minutes so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763905
He recovered his waiting room numbers in 7 minutes plus they’re gonna get into the selections so I guess it’ll peak at around 20k or less

[Anonymous No.]

This is the sort of stream I'd usually expect to see easily break 20k, if not 25k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763905
Draft hasn't started yet. He's just explaining the rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763905
https://mobile.twitter.com/maimoto_k/status/1477198653572132864
>6.9k likes
nijifags expected it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763962
He very well could incline to 30k+ then if that's the case. Looks like he wasn't culled nearly as badly.

[Anonymous No.]

>Sui MK 7-8k
>Inui Toko 11k~
https://youtu.be/o7U_Uld_-Lw

[Anonymous No.]

Chigusa looks to be hit too. She does occasionally get lower numbers like this, but her likes are closer to what she got before Christmas: https://vrabi.ml/channel/UCkngxfPbmGyGl_RIq4FA3MQ

[Anonymous No.]

That's certainly not the chat of a 51k stream, her Jail Outfit moved as much if not less faster than that in April 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763837
The more I look at this shit the more I realise there is no correlation, big waiting rooms can recover quickly or get fucked, and the same with small ones. More Holos than Nijis seem to be affected but it's happening to both and the 2views. Some accounts seem to be affected worse than others but then sometimes those accounts can be totally fine for a stream. None of this shit makes any sense and I'm seriously starting to think these numbers are just completely made up based on some formula or other that clearly isn't working as it should. Or maybe it's working exactly as it should, I never know if it's malevolence or incompetence with Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

don't want to alarm anyone but check the proportion of holos to nijis on todays 10k+

[Anonymous No.]

What if the culled numbers from every other holomem are the ones that currently watching Pecker as the main tab?

[Anonymous No.]

>Daily viewer get flagged as bot while tourist that barely watch stream don't
>Niji event will now always bring in BIG NUMBER
>While Holofan all become ghost
THE PERFECT CRIME, RIKUN SAMA I KNEEL
Kuzuha also got hit? A small price to pay!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763930
Nijisisters, I was assured we'll get gold today. What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

14k 14 minutes in

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763997
Why was she was hit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763953
Perkele

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764020
5 nijis and 5 holos. Ryushen's is a premiere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764020
Imagine if this is the work of some stupid fucker's machine-learning project gone awry. As it flags more people, it picks up more and more 'tells' for bots, and soon the entire chubba-watching population will be marked.
All shall cease to exist in CCV.
ALL SHALL RETURN TO ZERO!

[Anonymous No.]

how much did the raffle got last year for mahjon niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764072 (me)
Wait Korone's is yesterday, so we have 4 holos and 6 nijis.

[Anonymous No.]

Here my own explanation for the waiting room fuckery. Youtube counts all people at the waiting room without checking, after the stream start they will remove any "suspicious" account, they only add those as views after verifying them. So if lots of those "suspicious" account were already flagged as bot the ccv will never recover.
I also suspect this flagging is only temporary, and ytb will regularly change an account status based on past behavior. It'd explain why it took forever to process the ccv.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing weird here either. Guess there's just no hype for this tourney.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763905
Susan going cap his ass isn't she....

[Anonymous No.]

Hey lets look on the bright side, we are going to see a sub 20k gold soon if this pattern follows.
Any prediction which stream it will be?
I'm betting on a Pekora mario kart stream again.

[Anonymous No.]

My oshi and second favorite both knocked out, but least that means pekora is still on and will get bigger numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764105
Previous mahjong finals were 100k, this should be at least close to marika tier...

[Anonymous No.]

so everyone has an 50% reduced ccv now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764111
Gold yesterday would have been fbk+mio horse pussy at 17k if not for mikorone

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764144
nope, it's fucking random, which is why it's infuriating

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764101
its 3 holo, 5 nijis

>holo
pekora
towa
miko

>niji
niji noon
maimoto
yashiro
debi debi
toko

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764144
Yes. 5k is the new 10k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764144
random...

[Anonymous No.]

I don't feel good numberfagging anymore. Fuck koreaboos for YT to implement this shit. The most plausible theory is them filtering overseas views seeing how Nijis aren't affected that hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764020
I'm a nijifag mostly but at this point who cares, all that means is Susan gave higher cap lottery numbers to the niji livers streaming today than the holos

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764144
Not everyone but it's pretty obvious when someone is hit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764131
Finals, this is just rules+draft.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764111
Out of curiosity, have we ever seen a sub 20k Gold?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764203
my poor gozaru...
why susan

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764170
Hoshikawa just about scraped 10k too

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764183
I guess nijisanjis Japan pandering paid off kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764203
Jesus christ youtube fix your shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764215
I don't think so? The worst gold we've ever had is a Niji debut at 25k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764095
You should wish that's the case, Youtube will actually rollback the changes then.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain to me why koreans/kpop are getting blamed for the cull? What happened?

[Anonymous No.]

this thread is useless now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764228
Should've trusted the plan anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764203
The cope slope

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764222
Off a new outfit reveal. That's not a good thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764244 (me)
3D debut fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764248
they are known to run actual bots to boost their favorite idol numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764203
Some anon suspect that the more a holo is relying on the box, the worse they'll be affected. It makes sense that Gozaru got hit really hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764203
Is it just me or is the cull getting worse? I swear it wasn't this bad on the first few days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764228
Niji's got hit just as hard though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764096
>>15764105
Last years draft for Mahjong souls:
24k: https://playboard.co/en/video/ILvt3QWClvM

Turns out I think people mistook tournaments.
Nijimahjong cup is a different tournament I think and this one got 44k for the draft:
https://playboard.co/en/video/JFDn3BUuvcw

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764268
Nijis outfit reveals have less hype and they don’t do the holo strat of delaying until the end for max viewers, especially that silhouette thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15763745
Next time Suisei does karaoke get a scraper to see how many individual chatters there are, because there is a major members' only emote spam going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764307
Not as hard as Holos. Seeing how low tier Holos are getting culled around 75% of their usual numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764248
A lot of bots and botting-type behavior (multiple browsers on the same pc, multiple tabs running on the same video to inflate views, etc) involved with kpop faggotry, and YT's attempts to fight back against it have resulted in some.....unfortunate collateral damage on chubbas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764318
And it's still not something that only gets 10k, especially from hoshikawa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764318
Hoshikawa does though, and it's her first outfit in a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764286
It's a new algorithm, not a one time thing. It'll only get worse by day.

[Anonymous No.]

kek, look at this chart for Lauren
>THAT MATRIX DODGE OF THE 2K LINE

This already used to happen before, a stream failing to cross some threshold until it gathered enough momentum to do it by some 1k margin but now lots of streams are doing just that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764318
They only have less hype because some get one every month while this was HSKW's first in over a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764364
To think we'd get indirectly fucked by the most worthless subhuman cancer to ever exist.

[Anonymous No.]

So.. /#/bros, we gacha for cull now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764364
Wouldn't the smart thing for YT to do in this case be to simply flag Kpop boy bands/girl groups for closer attention instead of pushing out site-wide changes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764310(me)
Nevermind, Maimoto labeled this にじさんじ麻雀杯2022 so it's Niji Mahjong cup 2022 afterall.
44k is the number it got last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764434
>smart
>YT
roru roru rumao

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764362
Anon, if we assume this is the same cull that EN got, streams of the same event get heavily affected because YouTube will only count 1 stream as the view of you're browsing multiple streams. Which means pekora is heavily tanking everyone's views currently. EN face the same phenomenon whenever it's a multi view Collab with Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764170
>Only events and collabs that pass 10k
This is depressing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764434
Prevention is often the key. What the koreaboos do first, someone else is sure to follow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764399
It's so fucking blatant how often streams completely flatline just under a certain x-thousand mark, the cap seems like it's a real thing

[Anonymous No.]

Why is everyone but Pekora/Okayu's POV getting terrible views in the tourney?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764434
If they believed it was just kpop faggotry, yes, but they also wanted to make sure that OTHER groups that may be botting wouldn't get away with it either.
Alas....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764524
See here>>15764465

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764440(me again)
Maimoto got 48k last year.
My bad, it's late here.
For comparison's sake, at the 30 min mark last year, he was already at 44k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764465
This is not the same cull EN got (as did JP don't forget), it behaves completely differently to that one

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764522
Reminds me of Ayame getting 59998/60006 on her live

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764524
anon... pekora is also getting culled

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764524
the people who does multi-stream/tabbing are more likely to get flagged as bot. only tourists or infrequent watchers are left. and they're mostly on the main pov

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764465
This means that the "Every room is a Pekora waiting room" meme is a reality now lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764465
there's no evidence that even a 1% minority of viewers watch more than one stream at a time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764465
>only one window counts
Already held true for JP even before this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15764465
That's always been the case on JP's side too, nothing new.

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>>15764248
This

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>>15764465
youtube already did away with multi tab video counting last year.
this time its directly flagging your channel as a bot and removing you completely from CCV even if you only have 1 stream.

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>>15764351
who did a karaoke recently? Before the cull I mean, preferably after December 25th

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subaru fubuki collab hasn't broke 10k yet

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>>15764465
That's actually plausible as fuck. That wouldn't explain what would be taking Mikorone stream like that.

>>15764608
I think he means if you are counted as a viewer for a certain stream, for a certain period of time you won't count as a viewer for any other stream

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>>15764647
Noel

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>>15764628
Jesus…

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>>15764434
>simply flag Kpop boy bands/girl groups for closer attention
I think for a site the size of youtube it's easier implementing something site wide rather then trying to implement something that first has to recognize a kpop live stream and THEN cull. A lot easier to just cull instead of detecting what is and what is not Kpop

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Looking at the three yonkisei anniversaries so far, here's what we see:
Kanata (Day of Views and Likes): 361.8k views, 39.4k likes
Watame (Day of Views and Likes): 240.3k views, 24.0k likes
Towa (Day of Views and Likes as of now): 203.1k views, approx. 36.8k likes
Based off of views and Likes it seems pretty clear that Towa will likely trend better than Watame's anniversary, it may also beat Kanata's anniversary as well depending on how the rest of the day goes.

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>>15764647
i'm an idiot, after the cull I meant

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>>15764608
Anon, most people use YouTube on mobile

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I actually didn't expect Pekora to actually being able to organize all this in such a short time. Thins are going pretty well so far

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>>15764684
>I think he means if you are counted as a viewer for a certain stream, for a certain period of time you won't count as a viewer for any other stream
This is the first time I've heard it brought up that EN already had this feature for the past year.

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Vox sure looks strong right now in comparison

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>>15764310
>1.2 hour of participant intro
my god the stalling, these blokes are such a numberfag

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>>15764647
>>15764755
Noel and Watame both did and they were massively fucked compared to the usual numbers

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Meanwhile in .LIVE side.
>Everyone is unironically inclining compared to their relative numbers in benefit to holiday buffs.
Is this our year .LIVEbros?

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Not like it matters anymore but it's funny that after all the shit talking on 31st holo takes first 3 golds

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>>15757314
I dont think theres any real reason to believe vtubers dont make bank on youtube ads
Their main markets are 1st world countries (Japan, US, "Taiwan") and any sort of niche filtering would also apply to the MTG guy - theyre both mostly filed under Gaming, the only time youd have a problem is if you get stuck under Youtube Kids, which they arent, or if a couple channels get filed as "Music"
now yeah, the IDs arent making money on VODs and ManjiSEAnjiEN might want to try to move to twitch if youtube updates their profile to what their analytics actually are

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>>15764744
>I think for a site the size of youtube it's easier implementing something site wide
kek, yea, right.

One one hand one single retard can put together Holostats, another can put VRabi, another can put Mado and monitor every single relevant vtuber CCV in real time with a polling interval of 15 seconds.

On the other hand Youtube can't, with a literal multibillion dollars budget, do the same
>HAVING INTERNAL FUCKING ACCESS
to the (let's say) top 1000 biggest streamers, the top 1000 video uploaders, the top 1000 superchat earners.

Excusing Youtube because "it's difficult" is bullshit, they just need a two track system
>one for the 1% of the channels that generate 80% of their views
>another for the peons

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>>15764832
Considering .LIVE box push just as hard if not more than Holo, I don't know how they got away with it.

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>>15764797
My numbers かえして

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>>15764647
https://vrabi.ml/video/7qy4y-lJxlw
https://vrabi.ml/video/MRuEKg4XCZ0
both got culled at least 50% or more

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>>15764684
That's bullshit when Pekora meet someone randomly on Minecraft their viewcount goes up significantly.

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even Iroha numbers drop below 5k with mc stream...I can't even look at lui numbers rn...at least robocco wont feel so bad now

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>>15764797
Doesn't Kiara's drawing stream beat all of those streams too?
Vox's genshin numbers are still quite consistent for his 3rd genshin stream.

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>>15764893
I assume whats being discussed here is not what it was but what changed

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>>15764744
Not as hard as you think since there's only like a dozen relevant Kpop groups, they just need to flag their official accounts to resolve most of the kpop botting issues.

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>>15764684
>you won't count as a viewer for any other stream
Yes, that's what that picture proves. Viewers tabbing out of Marine into Kanata's stream (don't remember the specifics, but it probably happened when they started fighting each other).

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>>15764628
Youtube should just ban kpoop

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>>15764869
Not familiar with .LIVE's schedules but aren't there so few of them to the point where they practically never overlap anyway?

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>>15764937
No, what I mean is that if you tab out into another stream you cease to be a viewer on that stream but
>does not
turn into a viewer in the other stream (for a certain period of time)

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>>15764832
I told you the .LIVE incline is coming, you guys didn't listen

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>>15764937
we know they left marine for kanata but we don't know the method

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Mori's stream seems normal

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>>15764966
Well they did the box pushing and view funneling before hololive and were doing well for a while.

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>>15765009
Isn't she in Japan? It seems kind of random who's getting hit and who isn't. Pekora's DQ didn't seem like it was hit for example.

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>Idolbu yab killed .LIVE and allowed Nijisanji to rise
>Dodgeball yab killed Nijisanji and allowed Hololive to rise
>Xmas yab killed Hololive and allowed .LIVE to rise

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Peko 55k.

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>>15765059
life it's a cycle...

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>>15764972
Oh, I get what you're saying now. But I don't think that's what the poster I originally replied to meant to say.

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>>15764911
>Vox's genshin numbers are still quite consistent for his 3rd genshin stream.
the other did 5k average this one is scrapping 4k.
i think the homos are getting hit BUT becasue vox and mysta are still tourist centra is getting offset by them. Shu and luca were just as capped as other niji females

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With the previous cull, even the hardest hit usually got their waiting room numbers pretty fast. Meanwhile look at Iroha's numbers.

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>>15765009
during a mass cull, any incline would be mistaken as "normal" numbers. Isn't she inclining recently due to the jump king speed runs and game totsu. the cull might have just removed all her incline

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>>15765105
Looking at her past JK streams, nope. Looks pretty in line with her usual numbers

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>>15765056
Anon peko DQ stream is culled thats for sure.

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>56k
this easily probbaly is a 75k+ stream

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>>15765078
She beat the cap beat the system sasuga number rabbit payback for yesterday.

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even with a tournament on, FBK and Subaru would be an easy 10K.

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>>15765059
>Xmas yab
you mean pakora?

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Holox at sub 1k numbers, this early?

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>>15765056
>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/d-Iy2E0vzEw

7:01 19672 / 23596 591k in 2 days

>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ZZZy1NmXKo0

7:14 25320 / 33404 506k in a month+

It got hit hard

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>>15765179
Easy 20k especially with Fubuki being popular right now and Shuba's incline, 8k is absolutely ridiculous

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>>15765165
Her peak is down by about 2k+ anon. So while she's been hit, it doesn't seem to have been to the same extent as others.

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>>15765217
Hey, don't be rude she peaked at 1.5k

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>>15765202
as the pasta of one anon goes, Pekora is hololive, if Pekora goes down so is hololive kek.

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>>15765246
Ouch, I didn't check the VOD views for that one I just thought the numbers looked "ok".

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I guess big event streams with multiple POVs are going to get hit the hardest by this CCV change?
Also all overlapping vtubers will hurt each other even more.

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>>15765165
Not really? Especially considering she was going virtually unconstested for most of this stream. The speedrunning stream was only around 6k as well until she got her really good time, at which point I think Iroha and Koyori posted about it on twitter and I guess word got around, so it inclined to 8k.

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>>15765306
Mario Kart tourney number will be awful

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>10 hour stream, below 100 CCV the whole time
https://vrabi.ml/video/8Brh_onC0v0
Sony vtubers are actually depression inducing.
Feels fucking bad man.

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>>15765331
It's not so bad, they are worth 1/3 of a Robocco post cull

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>>15765179
it would be an easy 20k. Subaru was consistently getting 20k before the cull and this is with FBK

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kek, matome is really just the mirror universe of this thread

Except they have more niji fellows there

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>>15765306
So following this rule, the people with the more insular audience have higher survival rate against the cull? That would explain why Pekora still got 20k plus in her jrpg streams considering the "Pekora halo" effect and those stuff.

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>>15765359
10k is the new 20k. 50% cut remember.

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>>15765362
Perhaps I treated you too harshly ...

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>Kiara join Mori's stream
>1K incline
Takamori buff ?

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>>15765395
>>15765395
>>15765395
Migrate when ready

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>>15765482
I mean, anyone joining VC should buff a stream. Bae got like 700 from IRyS joining.

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Pekora's stream has 230k views already. Stream is actually around 75k+

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>>15765362

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>>15765611
100K+