/#/ numbers thread

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Previously on numbers
>>15709572

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General numberfag sites
>https://playboard.co/en/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://vrabi.ml/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/vtuber-ranking

Hololive sites
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji sites
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings
>https://twitter.com/2434subscriber

Twitch
>https://sullygnome.com/
>https://twitchtracker.com/
>https://stats.roki.sh/

Full list at https://pastebin.com/CCfK7mVR

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>outside of debuts, Ayame is the 4th fastest growing JP
how the fuck does she do it

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susan pls

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https://developers.google.com/apps-script/samples/automations/youtube-tracker

It's time to accept the new era.

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>>15719939
successful roommate

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Man, chart for Kiara's stream must look like a fucking line

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The new S-tier.

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>>15718831
when youtube decides a view is botted, they dont count even for vod views. The numbers being filtered at the ccv counter are "suspicious" but still accepted as vod views in the end

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>>15720187
do you mean a straight line or?

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>almost 1.6M views in Mikkorone
This trends like a 60k+ avg stream

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>>15720187

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>>15720211
never

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>>15720304

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>>15720437
kind of like a billiard ball when its smooth unless viewed from a microscope

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>>15720161
Never heard of her and impossible to find.

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>>15720437
Christ, so many near-perfect flatlining streams since the new changes

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>>15720583
Check Suisei's stream. I think it broke 7.5k but almost never passed 7k, always between 6k and 5k

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>>15720437
the cull is just an increased time required to be tabbed in to count as a view so all the churn gets averaged out

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>>15720390
Which site is best for tracking those views?

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>>15720691

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>>15719939
Her covers did a lot of work for her this year.

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>>15720437
Reminds me of this Kanae, from today too
>no churn
>no pick-up
Whatever 10k people found themselves into this stream remained to the end, except for a small dip in the middle when coincidentally the exact same amount of people joined after some dropped out.

If have to say I envy this chart, I can have a power source to deliver power this constant even if I pay 10 times the price for the components

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>>15720437
Really weird for a stream that long.

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>>15720789
A full hour of no more than 200 people joining or leaving at any given moment out of 10k people.

You can’t keep a fucking live audience sit perfectly still like that for that amount of time

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>>15720437
Makes me wonder is Youtube just cycling viewers instead inclining them for whatever reason. Kiara's poll at the beginning had almost 5k votes before it went away and that was only a few minutes into the stream.

I could be hilariously wrong though, lord knows how this platform bloody works at this point.

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>>15720766
Spiky. This one hits different

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>>15720437
>>15720894
It nearly had 6k

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DECEMBER VIEW/TIME RANKINGS

See the picture for the numbers. Just look at the big table on top for the quickest results; or the one on the bottom for individual ranks..
>If you want a quick summary, all categories of jp and en vtubers are growing or stable in december, when compared to november, thanks to the many special events and debuts on this month.

>The group with best results were exactly the ones with the highest number of special events (HoloEN, HoloJP, NijiJPfemales, NijiEN). The Others categories (indies and small corpos) are the ones with the weakest results, probably because they can’t pull as big events as the big fishes.
>This next month of january might see a steep fall of numbers, thanks to the fewer events they can celebrate now. But there is a number of tournaments coming up, so it is hard to say.

>reminder that there has been some new youtube fuckery with the ccv numbers after this Chritmas, however, taking a look at the vod views, the vod views still seem stable and not messed up.
>I’m using the metric (vod) views/time because it seems to be the best metric we can use for comparisons.
>There’s no way to calculate direct hours watched without having access to data analytics from inside each channel owner or bullshitting it; simply counting total views doesn’t take into account how much did they stream to get there (and they usually count small skits and music videos as well); and live viewers (on youtube) are very buggy and cut off a significant portion of that real number (for example, comparison between Miko’s twitch and youtube minecraft streams seem to indicate that 35% of her yt live viewers numbers are hidden [read the OP or the whole thread >>2253454 for anons discussion on the possible reasons for it) (not to mention that twitch max live viewers are constantly influenced by twitch raids coming from other channels).

>Reading and trying to compare all those ratios for each hour length would have been a pain for you, so that’s why I’ve already made the ranking tables, with ranks for inside each time length.
>The longer the stream time, the fewer vtubers that had any videos available to calculate.
>Never compare general view/time ratios of streamers who have very different stream duration averages - that’s why I just don`t rank those anymore, since people are too dumb.
>Only compare data (or ranks) from the same time length.

>For combining those ranges from each time length, i inverted each position into a fraction (position/total), calculated the average of all available time-length fractions for each streamer, and then compared those resulting numbers: the smaller your fraction is, it means the higher yours positions were, so you rank higher.
>You can see a practical example (from may) here: >>4423534.

>Video types like short skits, short amvs/covers/original songs, watchalongs, members-only, sc-only, or private were not included for the calculations.
>Videos analyzed for 'this month' are from the time period of 01-12-21 to 01-01-22 (~1pm jst).

>You can see the biggest individual growth fluctuations with those vtubers who had some huge special stream (like 3ds, costumes, returns, tournaments).
>They can be big rises if the special vids happened on this month; or big falls if the special vids occurred on last month.
>On those cases you can see % change of one specific time length way superior than the rest for that vtuber.

>Collecting all this data was a whole lot of work, so no promises that I’ll be doing this again, or as big of a list. And im getting tired of adding all the new debuting midgets.
>I don’t think I missed anyone too big, I left out the smaller nijisanjis, or holostars or whoever else because I don’t have the time to include them all - but I did include a few smaller ones just out of curiosity.
>Expect the list of checked vtubers to be cut by a good number on the next month.
>And no "now im suddenly a vtuber" trendhoppers were included either.
>The small hour ranges (0hr, 1hr) are filled with big events (including karaokes, debuts, costumes, 3Ds, asmr, offcollabs, etc), making it a real bloodbath for anyone who landed streams there this month.
>If you think I left out someone relevant you can try convincing me to do their numbers as well, although if they are too small I’ll just tell you to fuck off. Or you can just calculate it yourself and post it here, not too hard.

>I didnt proofread this, if something mentions september is because i forgot to update the text or pic.
>i think on last thread someone asked if i would update those names. Definitely not for this month version, as it will likely mess with some formulas. Give me a full list of those names youd like changed and ill see what i can do for next time. Short lists will be ignored.

>ill reply to myself with that top vtubers history pic

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>Imagine waiting a stream to end or sometime 24h to numberfag
I respect the vod numberfags but i just not worth it imo

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>>15721064
me again, and here's the vtubers ranks history, updated. This one is not supposed to be perfect especially for the past years having worse sources, but it gives a good indication I guess.

As things of interest:
- fubuki had her best position of this year
- shion had her best position of this year
- noel had her best position ever
- flare had her best position ever
- nene had her best position ever not counting her debut month
- veibae had her best position ever as well as best vshojo position ever
- kizuna had her best position in many years
- holox is still pretty high, but that is partially because of the debut buff. If I remove their two first weeks, their ranks would become: laplus #9, chloe #23, iroha #22, koyori #25, lui #64.
- mysta is relatively high, but that is partially because of the debut buff. If I remove their first week, their rank would become mysta #53, vox #83.

I added a bit more of the bottom ranks because every new debut keeps pushing old ones down, and we can see a bit more of rotation on those lower ranks.

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>>15721026
so, it's not the "still verifying" thing then and it's outright removing viewers, right? otherwise we would see more activity in the graph (no flat)
the only way to confirm would be making another poll now, viewers "look" stable and a lot of time has passed since, they can't they they are still verifying after 5 hours

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>>15721064
I’ll be sincere: any ranking for December, no matter what method you use, that doesn’t have Fubuki leading is 100% bullshit and wishful thinking.
She led CCV, subs gained, VOD views and hours watched.
Anything implying she trailed in any metric is bilibili bullshit black box magic that takes “good boy points” in account

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>>15721202>>15721064

this but replace Fubuki for Ayame

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>>15721202
Nobody cares about your headcannon. Chart anon brought numbers to the table. Where are yours?

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>>15721064
>>15721127
Always look forward to seeing these every month. You do some serious number crunching and I appreciate it.

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>>15721338
>Where are yours?
I have none but I'll defer to the other chart anons with objective easy to understand criteria

>median chart anon: take the median of peak CCV for every streamer with 5 or more streams
>Superchat chart anon: take the streamers with the highest superchat in that month

That's easy to understand and give you a clear unambiguous reasoning for the calculation: it is the streamer with the highest X, where X is a fixed calculation used in multiple fields

This one here: >>15721064, >>15721127? I have ZERO idea of how the #1 in the list is calculated and the ten thousand words explanation only makes it more opaque and impossible to understand.

Contrast with
> sort the streams by peak CCV; take the middle value
or
> sum the SC for the month

It's bilibili tier of bullshitery

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>>15721301
OJOU SUPREMACY I WANT TO DRINK HER PISS AND RAPE HER MAMA
>>15721127
so degozaru is starting to pass orca recently, sugoi

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THIS ISNT DAIJOBU

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Enter Matsuri, she has been trying to get back to the box these days

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>>15721575
that was posted in the last thread

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>>15721338
>>15721502
To add to the point: in the month of December Fubuki had

>more subs
>a higher average CCV
>a higher median CCV
>more hours streamed
>more hours watched

What kind of math makes possible for a streamer with a higher value for every single datapoint used to have a lower ranking?

I am 100% calling bullshit on that

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holodex down again?
it was fine 5 min ago

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>>15721502
>median
the median of [5k, 8k, 30k, 30k, 30k] is 30k, it is overall good (if we could trust ccv) but not that perfect
>superc-
kek im not even reading the rest

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>>15721627
Also, I forgot, she had
>DOUBLE
the VOD views.

In what possible universe can Fubuki not have the most "view/time" (whatever that is) if she had the most time streamed and the most views both live and on VOD.

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>>15721639

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>>15721617
did viewers drop?

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>>15721640
Anon, see >>15721627 and >>15721672 then.

Explain to me how can a streamer with more live views, more VOD views have a lower position on a "view time" ranking?

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>>15721627
Because Fubuki is putting her chat on sub only mode and had a month long gacha arc that kept building

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>>15721672
>Double the VOD views
Thats it?

Gura took it easy in December and Fubuki was streaming every day. That is a crazy good VOD rate for Gura. No wonder she finished ahead of her on the chart.

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>>15721707
Basically
50 hours with 13M views = 100 hours with 26M views

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>>15721064
>>15721127
Thank you for the chart, anon.
I thought La+ and Kronii would be a top 5 and a top 10 contender respectively.
I was right about La+, but betting on council is counter intuitive since they are not interested with their numbers. Only good EN is Gura, the rest is underwhelming compared to her. Maybe EN3 can do something.

>>15721202
>>15721502
Never took statistic in your life? Does this symbol scare you?

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>>15721707
learn to read numbers anon, fubuki was the best at the long hours (pokemon streams) but short streams hurt her

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So in January Kiara will actually be a mid-tier holo ? What kind of fucked-up reality is that ?

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>it's another episode of the numbers thread cant get into numbers

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>anons complaining about interacting with women in a hobby that involves giving women money for no reason

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>>15721856
>>15721707
learn to read numbers anon, fubuki was the best at the long hours (pokemon streams) but short streams hurt her
forgot the pic last one

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>>15721502
Hololive
>Tier 1: 21
>Tier 2: 17
>Tier 3: 14

>stars tier: 9

Nijisanji
>tier 1: 5
>Tier 2: 12
>Tier 3: 126

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>>15721776
I understand. She had a lower VOD views and a lower number of streams, consequently, she had a higher position.
It makes completely sense, sorry for not realizing this ranking was made on Bizarro numbers thread where up is down, small is big and you say "bay bye" instead of good bye.

>>15721824
>Never took statistic in your life? Does this symbol scare you?
Wut? WTF the summation symbol has to do with it?

>>15721908
Oh, I understand now! Sorry, I was being dumb

Fubuki gets points docked because she kept 30k people watching her stream for too long. The fact she finished a stream almost 7 hours long with the same CCV other streamers had in their first hour somehow counts negatively towards her position.

Nevermind, it's perfectly explained.

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>>15722067
you sound like a woman who didnt get her way

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>>15721876
I'm not the anon that's getting mad about it and I understand the numbers, I agree that it's an awful metric for measuring the success of streamers though. People like Ayame and Gura who stream once in a blue moon get rewarded while the likes of Fubuki and gen 6 who put in the grind have to keep up the average for so much longer and get punished for that, even though at the end of the month they get more views which is what benefits their channel, not being top of a chart that will only ever be seen by a few posters in a Mongolian basket-weaving forum.

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>>15722148
Anon, please. Just explain this, the calculation is supposed to somehow rank streamers by the size of their audience

Streamer A has a higher CCV at any point of her streams. She also has a higher peak, a higher average and a higher number of streams and a higher number of hours streamed.
But the calculation actually **docks** points for keeping a higher audience for more hours. That's dumb beyond reason and there is no possibly justification to say
>a streamer keeping a higher CCV for more hours has actually ***fewer*** view/time than a shorter stream with a lower CCV
Same thing for VOD. Sorry, that's bilibili "social credit points" tier of bullshit

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>>15722067
Holy shit you are actually seething right now. Have you punched a hole through your wall yet?

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O

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>>15722313
>CCV
didnt you learn anything these last few days

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>>15722155
that bothers me lol Iroha november (1 stream), mayuzumi june (1 stream), aiba april (3 streams)

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>>15722067
> I can't read math.
This is not a black box. The data is there, so is the ranking formula. You can pick two rows and apply the formula yourself and see how they fare.

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W

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>>15722067
>>15722155
>>15722313


Clicks on the respective streams divided by time streamed, despite streaming a fraction of the time Gura had more clicks per second streamed. Its that simple cope seethe dilate. It says on the chart learn to read you disgusting ESL.

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>>15722296
>>15722343
>>15722398
>>15722428
who?

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A

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The absolute state of femanons

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...

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>>15721092
for the channel it is

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>>15722390
My objection is calling something a
> "view/time"
ranking when a streamer with a not only a higher raw view but also a higher view per unit time by any possible metric gets a lower ranking than any other streamer.

It's meaningless and the name definitely misleading

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>>15722313
looks like you`re misunderstanding something. The chartanon only compares and ranks streams in separated groups of the same hour range. If fbk only had the 2h+ streams she`d get first position because those numbers beat even guras positions on what she had. But fbk also did shit like El Shadai

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>>15722418
sounds like a pretty useles metric overal honestly but hey you do you

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TOKOYAMI

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TWAP...

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>>15722562
>UGHH GUH YOU CANT USE VOD VIEWS THE STREAMS HAVE DIFFERENT DURATIONS
>lets divide vod views by duration
>STOP THE COUNT, STOP! NOOOOOOO

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TOWA!!!

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>>15722522
> Please ignore shit streams
Sorry, anon, they exists. And they are counted. Make Fubuki stop shilling, then she might take the top spot.

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towa...

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2021 total views
>7th Mori Calliope 183,481,499

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>>15722067
Isn't the views per hour the integral of pic related?

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>>15722718
shibuhal...how the mighty have fallen...

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towa...

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>>15722718
oh right, Mori is never in those rankings because of the music thing

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WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE VIEWERS

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>>15722718
>holo main no tourney pov
still on top

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>>15722799
Susan must stop the Jap anime girls from being as popular as their zoo of poached twitch streamers.

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>>15722718
>Calli getting added like she should knocks Fuwaggot out of the top 20
Based

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O

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>>15722822
wont they have one for mariokart? or was it towas?

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K

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>>15722718
King could've beaten Pakora if he didn't get lazy in December. He's streaming relatively little now.

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>>15722741
I just wanted to let you know that I just fapped to this gif you posted. Hottest shit I've ever seen.

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>>15722916
it's always on the channel of the organizer
for holos, individual POV's are always watched more

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>>15722848
>ninji numbers
it's over...

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>>15722590
hey its ok buddy. she won the special olympics

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What is with this person spamming one letter?

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>>15722787
>>15722718
what music thing?

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>>15722848
while I understand that Sana is a fucking failure, at least post the start of the stream so we can compare and keep track of stuff

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>>15722848
>losing to nijien wave 3

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Y

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>>15722718
So the Hololive main channel beats the Nijisanji main channel despite Niji pushing all of their events to the main channel.

LMAO the absolute state of Nijiniggers.

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>>15722718
Why are the nips so retarded they don't realise the vtuber category on PB is a broken mess? Imagine how much shit you guys would give me if I posted the 2021 SC chart and it was missing Mori lol

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>>15723031
Hologra is declining. Don't count on it for much longer holobrony.

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>>15722987
Mori's channel is classified as a musical artist channel on playboard and she isn't in the vtuber category.

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>>15722067
anon... all the numberfags here know Fubuki was top dog particularly Hours Watched for December. You don't have to strongly disprove other metrics, we need other statistical opinion since we can't look at internal analytics

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Here's something a little different: the vtubers that lost the most subs in 2021

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>>15723031
HoloGra doesn't count. ILLEGAL VIEW FARMING EVERY WEEK

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>>15722987
her channel is flagged for music, not for vtuber, check the playboard rankings for example
a lot of statistics are made using that tag

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>>15722971
#notmyVtuber
#stolennumbers
#StopTheCount

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>>15723086
There's a biggest loser category??? Oh my goodness! Numbers please!!

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>Mental health is the number 1 priority
>WE care about the well-being of our creators
>that's why we decided to hide the dislike button
>and over 50% of CCV

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I

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>>15723086
Hinata losing subs even though she’s fairly active

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>>15723086
Siro...

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towa...

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>>15723230
Its not people actively unsubscribing. These are old OG vtubers so some of the accounts that subbed to them are probably totally inactive now. Youtube clears out accounts with no activity after a certain amount of time.

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>>15723012
Enna is the best member of wave 3 so i dont have a problem with it

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>>15723193
they will hide the like button next, the comment section of the videos specifically designed for having their dislikes hidden are now ratio'ing it

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Meet Genzuki Tojiro. Assuming he doesn't incline past 900 it will be only the second time since August where he fails to break that threshold, with the other one being a heavy overlapped Splatoon tournament slot.

His median for December was 2100 btw. Now he's having dificulty to break 900.

I am genuinely seeing NijiEN boys becoming top 50 for January and Holostars becoming Top 100 if they're immune to the cull.

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>>15723086
Siro who's still regularly streaming and making content above Game-bu is... man...

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How many viewers do you think Sana is actively driving away by being on Ina's stream? 1k? 2k?

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towa...

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towa...

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>>15723368
What was his last Minecrap number tho? Minecrap is not a buff for Niji.

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>>15723368
Holostars are not inmune, Astel used to average 1.5k on his Apex challenges and he couldn't get 1k today

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towa…

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>>15723368
Thankfully because youtubes live view browsing/suggestion is garbage anyways it won't effect things too badly, the only thing it will fuck with is the streamer's mental state.

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For what it is worth, here is a rough idea of the scale of the CCV cull with regards to Mel's recent stream. Looked for the prior streams with similar number of VODs and stream duration for the past year for CCV comparison.

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Hololive has beaten their highest number of 10k+ record meanwhile niji...

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>>15723527
That could be the Apex decline. Apex streams have been declining for months now. Could have nothing to do with this December cull.

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>>15723598
this is what the ojisans and normalfags that watch TV see when they are shilled to watch nijis

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towa...

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>>15723545
who cares about the streamer's mental state, we need to take these pedo anime girls from the top of the platform

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>>15723598
number of 10k+
Niji record: 348 (2020/09)
Holo previous record: 507 (2020/11)

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>>15723559
Fucking hell they're culling about 2/3 of it??

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towa...

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>>15723524
1448. His declining numbers for the final stretch of his stream beat his peak today

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ok, what's with the retard spamming "towa...", is he the bumpschizo trying to kill another global thread?

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>NOOOOOO THERES NOTHING WRONG WITH THE VIEWERS THE HOLOS ARE JUST RECLINING

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>>15723559
Jesus. So the real viewer numbers could be 2.5-3x as many as youtube displays, which would bring the poll numbers down to ~30-40% participation which is a hell of a lot more realistic than the 50%+ if we just doubled the visible live viewer numbers.

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>>15724001
In hindsight, it was pretty retarded to think Hololive was ever reclining after seeing those jam-packed conventions.

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>>15720766
It still spikes with every race, but not for other reasons.

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>>15723559
jesas

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Wasn't there a case late 2020 where Noel lost some bonus because her CCV fell some 1000 views under the limit on a sponsored stream? I vaguely remember something like that being talked about.

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>>15723559
Jesus

This is about as damning as any other evidence. Fix your shit youtube.

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towa...

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>>15724115
>>15724173
>>15724192

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>>15724153
But it is

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MikKorone Vod at 1,715,560 views

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>>15724287
>1.7M right after the stream ends before a lot of views are even added to the total
Yeah, this had much higher viewership than the 35k average Holostats is showing. Holy shit.

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>>15724287
Here of photographic evidence

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>>15724287
Too bad Niji's concert VOD has way higher views.

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towa...

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>>15724287
Pretty bad for a retirement stream

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>>15724411
Speaking of retirement, did Niji refollowed Honma?

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>>15724287
Even imagining that 1.7 MILLION people popped in for 2 minutes and then left, or that 340k people all popped in 5 times and left, that's still insane for any video and basically shows the full scope of the Holo fanbase is in the tens of millions.

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>>15724456
her contract ends this year?

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>>15724273
If we're trendposting, Cover rules the world, Niji is holding out in Japan but this might be the year Holo passes them off the back of holox

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>>15723245
At least she has 1.5-2k average viewers, that’s not that bad.

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>>15724360
I know the stream was 11 hours long but this seems really high for a stream that only allegedly averaged about 35k.

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towa...

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>>15724287
jesas

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Octopus tip & Sana 7k get

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724531
I sorted by company/topic and Niji interestingly beats hololive worldwide even. There's only a few instances where hololive was higher. What's going on holobros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724527
It doesn't matter when your contract ends if you retire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724531
>>15724796
Why do you continue to do this? You get laughed out of the thread every single time.

[Anonymous No.]

oh jesus just when you thought this thread couldn't get any worse the google trends schizo is back

[Anonymous No.]

Wtf, they get mogged even harder on yt. But at least hololive doesn't appear to be nosediving there unlike in web search.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724796
>>15725094

>Cooking the books with company investment search vs topic group

Here is youtube search queries, the previous comparison is accurate. Japan has 60-40 nijisanji favored

Stop concern trolling. Niji doesn't exist outside of Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724796
>>15725094
I'd point out why you are an idiot but you already know why since you are a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724796
>>15725094
keep seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725094
Nice try nijinigger.

[Anonymous No.]

About 10k waiting 1 hour out

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725161
Not my fault hololive doesn't have a proper topic. Here's just search term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725352
You're literally just trolling. Topic rolls in jap + eng searches and related searches. You know this, the 4 term chart is the only accurate one just go eat some rat poison or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725352
An entire Topic almost losing to a single search term, in Niji's home territory no less?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725094
>categorized
>not specific
lmao this is the legit retarded google trend anon from mid 2021

[Anonymous No.]

not like this nijisisters

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725568
774 I KNEEL!

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725568
I told 774 is the new #2

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725424
Seeing some different results here. The incline is because of holoX but it's already nosediving along with their hype.

[Anonymous No.]

>nijinigger has absolutely no arguments so he starts comparing the wrong sets of data
Do nijiniggers really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725696
>niji high interest
>80k ccv edengumi debut
>holo below interest
>180k holox debut
looks like google trend is for coping

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724001
700k in 2 hours. Higher than 30k CCV she had before the cull.

[Anonymous No.]

>comparing search trends
I know /#/ needs it's time to cope after it's favourite toy got taken away, but surely not like this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725763
google trends were never useful for something like a talent agency, you'd have to roll up the numbers for both the agencies and every individual talent under them to get anything representative and I don't think google trends will let you add enough search terms for that to work

[Anonymous No.]

Just out of curiosity, has anyone checked numbers of Canadian Vtubers on YT?
On the one hand, Kronii seems to have been hit hard as evidenced by her most recent live poll, while Ina right now had a fairly believable Like to Viewer ration (at least, more views than Likes unlike others), though still below her usual viewcount.
Are there any others outside of Hololive that people have been tracking or noticing from Canada recently?
Not trying to start Doxx shit, but just genuinely curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725861
go check NijiCA I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725814
the future looks grim as fuck, imagine waiting 24 hours to numberfag a VOD, i respect the VODfags but i just cant

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725924
Just cut it back to one numbers thread a year when Cover and Anycolor publish their financial reports, Susan has rendered any comparison of the performance of the actual content meaningless

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725829
>nijinigger gets BTFO on google trends after getting shit on for using the wrong keywords for hololive and nijisanji
>g-google trends doesn't m-matter
EAT SHIT NIJINIGGER

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725861
I really doubt it makes a difference where you stream from, just where your audience is and your channel location, which is still Japan for every Holo and Niji EN except Selen and Petra

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725696

[Anonymous No.]

An interesting one

[Anonymous No.]

Let’s just close this thread. It’s now useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>come back to the thread
>threads numberfagging search analytics
2022 starting well

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726048
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726092
I’m gonna start reading tea leaves next, wanna join?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Susan is a bitch for subtracting hololive numbers but not nijisanji numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726071
I'd say repurpose it as /news/, but the main drive for condensing the most interesting events is now gone

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726071
Only niggers think numbers are useless.

[Anonymous No.]

I guess we'll have to apply a 3x modifier to Hololive's numbers from now on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725829
I'm curious about trends for single vtuber like Pekora or Kuzuha

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725924
The problem with VOD views is not the wait, it's the fact that they depend on the length of the stream. Thus, it's hard to use them to compare interest in a specific content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726071
please don't, it's a nice containment thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726177
Council is inclining, but you guys said they should graduate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726177

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726071
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725533
isn't it because it's easy to manipulate to get the result he wants since holo pretty much beats niji in almost every category?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726505

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726612
gawr gura btfo!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726505
>>15726612
see this is what I meant by >>15725829
the way people search for vtuber content is too varied to infer anything from a handful of search terms besides whatever the person who cherry-picked them wants you to infer

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726168
is your witchcraft as good as Mio's tarot reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>Taking Mio over 15 minutes to reach her waiting room numbers of 2.9k
this is beyond fucked, It's even worse than last years cull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726293
imagine losing part of your life to make sense of Susan's imaginary numbers
...ha.....ha....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726669
Also stuff like this affecting this >>15726612

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726705
Twain...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726705
what does this mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726669
If you compare it to subscriber count, it's pretty accurate as long as you exclude this troll google trends comparison >>15725094.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726505
>>15726612
Damn, Gura is declining hard on yt. At this rate Nijichads will overtake her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726835
Whatever will she do OH NYO!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726701
>he can't interpret what the real numbers are
Are you a nigger?

[Anonymous No.]

nice thread numberfags

[Anonymous No.]

WTF happaned to niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15721575
That's normal for EN since December last year, now even redditors noticed that JP is also seriously affected:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Hololive/comments/rte35r/youtube_is_massively_undercounting_live_viewers/

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726924
pretty sure they have been trying to derail the conversation from the culls, but don't worry, the second part of the mikkorone will bring it back

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727060
N-nah man it's just vIeWeR cHuRn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727060
Go back to your shithole redditnigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>2 consecutive holo golds
>poker tourny lost to MiKorone
google trend suddenly

delicious cope

[Anonymous No.]

Morning Mio at this time last week 7k.
week before 8k
week before that 11k
week before 8k
week before 9k

dogshit website.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726923
I'm sure you have something very insightful to say, just like those astrologists or those cryptomarket analysts.
Except at least I hold a molecule of respect for them, because at least they are doing it for themselves, and they believe they could benefit from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727233
Cope. Go back to your schizo general.

[Anonymous No.]

Asamio has been at least 9k every single week since August, today? Struggling to break 4k, fuck you Susan you gigakike whore

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726325
I use topic because all of them has topics

[Anonymous No.]

why are nijimalesen bragging about google when they barely peak higher than watamelon

[Anonymous No.]

Pakora I KNEEL

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727270
why do you want to defend pajeet code so much, anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

Google trends is more retarded that comparing streams with the current state of CCV, those are literally just RATIOS without a single number
we might as well start ranking streams using 100% for the gold and something like 50% for someone that got half of the gold

[Anonymous No.]

How hard niji slipped yesterday that retarded Google anon started posting again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727417
>he can't interpret real numbers from shitty computer code

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727497
Niji poker lost to MiKorone by a difference of 4,463 Viewers

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of CCV, can we use long streams like lofi girl to check if there is a cull?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727304
Looks like Pakora is inclining in searches from her yab but her numbers are going down. These trends can be misleading indeed.

[Anonymous No.]

not bad numbers for Sana I think.

[Anonymous No.]

THE
WEBSITE
IS
BROKEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727701
that's a whale

[Anonymous No.]

just fuck my website up sanjay

[Anonymous No.]

>google trends
burn this thread to the ground

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727785
n-nothing to see there, this is normal!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727885
susan pls stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727915
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727526
look faggot, either bring some of this interpretation of yours into this shitty thread, or watch it crumble around you, I'm sure you are very eager to prove me wrong and single-handedly stop the pathetic numberfagging going around right now, being that much of a believer and all.

[Anonymous No.]

/#/ bros, does Towa 3D stand a chance against Mikkorone or Pekor pokemon tourney today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727885
this is truly ridiculous

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
anything is possible in cull land

[Anonymous No.]

Meanwhile on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
Towaste...

[Anonymous No.]

Susan was a Pakora unicorn and she flipped the switch once she was left alone with cold chicken

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
Who fucking knows man

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728006
twitch is the opposite of youtube, their numbers tend to be higher than in reality.

[Anonymous No.]

Cover shouldn't have canked the vei collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728006
EN GOLD

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727943
You're not watching this thread at all. You're just seething because I called you a nigger and you might actually be a nigger because of all the (You)s you're giving me.
Seethe more number hating nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728064
but it was vei who chickened out of the collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728006
EN GOLD
>EN GOLD
EN GOLD
>EN GOLD

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728053
Cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728064
Nah, Cover should have blocked all vshojo collabs

[Anonymous No.]

So with recent YT fuckery I guess we can now accept Vshojo as the new face of vtubing atleast for EN their top members have long since surpassed Holo EN well Gura is there but now we have 3 with good numbers> 1 with good numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
hmmmmmm, let me see
https://www.random.org/
>89
yeah, she has a chance

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728053

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728006
vshojo > holoEN
the absolute state kek

[Anonymous No.]

cover should just move them all to twitch
YouTube is fucking up so much and is such an incredibly bad platform for livestreaming
I still don't understand how they stay on that trash

[Anonymous No.]

>gura spic
>fbk femanon
>search analytics
>twitch posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728236
Why would fake twitchbot numbers make Vshitjo face of vtubing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728064
But it was vei who pulled out after she got exposed

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727785
after 20 minutes, just lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728330
like it or not, they an numberfag about it, pretty sure streamhatchet will do it for them

[Anonymous No.]

I HAVE A PLAN PEOPLE

If youtube can use imaginary numbers then so can we!

https://www.google.com/search?q=Spinner&stick=H4sIAAAAAAAAAOOwfcSozi3w8sc9YSm5SWtOXmOU4GIPLsjMy0stEuLlYi1KzEtPFWKRYhLg4gEAnayyqSwAAAA

I spun for Kiara and got 10

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728275
Music.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728360
Jesus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728372
>using the google spinner
that 10 is fake too btw

[Anonymous No.]

Lowest AsaMio on holostats yet. The second lowest was 9 months ago.. (5,717k)
The median for these keep on 8-10k for at least 4 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728360
i don't think susan is gonna release the numbers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728372
I got a 5 for Mio

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728297
>gif

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728127
I pity you, but Susan won't, and in the end it'll be what breaks you
good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728360
not looking good brothers, this might even tank below 20k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728403
Lotta talk for someone the spinner puts at 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728372
this is a true 10

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

when I saw Suisei and Ayame I knew it was broke.
Morning Mio just confirms it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728487
photoshop

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728064
Rather they should collab with all those twitch celebs like sodapopin, mizkif, sykkuno, conur, charlie, arcadum etc. because that's how some of those vshojos incline, the thing is none of the EN girls would want or be good at it because they're not normie enough I'm affraid, even Calli implied that twitch chat is rude in her last TT visit and you can see she struggled talking when the guys were loud.

[Anonymous No.]

So, it appears Sana is inclining. She has 110k ccv on her pokemon stream after Ina joined VC, after compensating for the cull of course. She may take the gold today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728360
this is getting worse, the first stream also had 20k in the wait room and recovered it on 10 minutes, it has been 30 minutes and we are still 3/4 of the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728275
They can stream on twitch (it's possible that all of them have accounts that were never used) or open a tik tok account if they wish to but it seems like none of the ENs is interested atm, guess numberfaging about CCV is not their priority.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728539
>Joining LSF circle
I can see hell unleashed in this board if that happens

[Anonymous No.]

There's nothing wrong with the new system. Stop using bots holobronies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728749
make a bait thread

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the time-stamp when kiara talked about the poll?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728360
>20k people "verified" watching at the end of a stream
>20k people have to be verified again at the start of a stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>15726612
gura is a common word in like 4-5 languages.
Makes sense that it would be around for longer, but that is a bit increase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728607
seems like she got 3K subs too

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728802
pretty sure it was on the first minutes of the stream because some were deflecting at the fact that the viewers were still being processed (and the whole stream never got 6k CCV like the poll)

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728539
holy shit i couldnt fathom this board or holoEN if they went that route. Im wondering where vshojos peaks will be though now that theyre networking with high end circles of twitch now. I saw Zentreya at like 3 or 4k though recently so it appears to not trickle to the rest of the brand from what I can tell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728820
still, only 15k are watching right now...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728802
https://youtu.be/Bmc9jBtG7K0?t=363

final numbers >>15721026

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728446
Ok nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>Sana 2.5k Pokemon
Nooooooooeeeel don't look!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728539
It's all been said twitch is their own world. Look at Ludwig & Valkyrae going to youtube, despite having all the network with twitch celebs, they are way lower than Gura and Gura even overtook Valky subs in little over a year

Don't be blinded by instant gain, it's not worth it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15721026
These numbers don't seem strange. She conducted a poll at the beginning of the stream when there were a lot of tourists and YT was in the process of processing viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728917
I'm also sure the vod number just got culled a little. I could swear it was 160k ish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728685
demographics affected differently?
different timezones and all

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729084
>these numbers don't seem strange.
show me your proof that this is normal on regular streamers

[Anonymous No.]

40 minutes in, still 1.6k off the waiting room

[Anonymous No.]

>>15725696
Just a heads up that it's possible to combine multiple keywords as in picrel, for whatever it's worth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729221
I believe that a part of this might be because of >>15729146
[rrat]
they probably implemented a server switch to verify the viewers based on timezone, right now is prime time NA and every nip is being verified here instead of there
[experiment]
check EN streamers on prime nip hours
this might be the reason why Luxiem does great in /asia/ hours but fucking terrible on /america/ hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729357
I think that's because most of their fans are from SEA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729357
watching this thread try make sense of the numbers reminds me of people who claim they see jesus in the toast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729246
Are Nijisanji that popular? I thought they were only known in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729357
aka, their sea viewers are being processed faster on the asia servers because of timezones and their low number of american viewers doesn't help them enough to pass the verify
that still doesn't explain JP regulars flat-lining at half of their usual CCV though

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729431
I can see him...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729445
That spike is bcuz of the Nijichads. They're definitely popular. Mysta gets mid tier holo numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729431
jesus is being culled here, not enough crust on his face

[Anonymous No.]

Waiting room GET, 50 minutes in

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729431
ayy lmao

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729246
I can see February recline and August incline on the Niji graph

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729762
August is probably because of their summer vacation and Koshien events. February idk

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729856
February is the anniversary of the infamous dodgeball event. Every year more Niji fans are reminded of it and stop watching Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

You fuckers. I'm getting recommended a year old stream from Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730031
>PH

[Anonymous No.]

Gura & Kronii are really bad at promoting inter-branch events. Could have at least said a few word on twitter

New year, still the same, these dumb fucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730031
good morning PH bros

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729688
I have another schizo theory, could it be that the current live numbers are being pulled by using the total views counter as a base?
the graphs look extremely flat, just like the shitty total view counter, this way they are only verifying users only once (to count as a view)
something like

[Anonymous No.]

>>15729884
Exactly I was an avid fan of them but last February, I was suddenly hit by an epiphany that it was the anniversary of a heinous event that involved male and females coming into contact irl. Sickened to my stomach, I immediately unsubbed from all 278 Niji channels and switched to Kiara, eventually Council and HoloX. Ever since I've been a very happy man. KFP for life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730220
Gura hates twitter...

[Anonymous No.]

Sana just found her shiny Rayquaza so some of Ina's viewers jumped over

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730259
>total views counter
what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730031
So what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730387
It's not like we want her to reply, at least tweet streams, simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730474
to [picrel]
something like
>the VOD got [x] views in the last [y] seconds, this means there's [z] viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728889
Vshojo as a brand is kind of weird since large part of their audience obviously joined before it was a thing and more importantly when future members and their friends were shitting on the corpos for being fake and shit unlike us indies keeping it real so it had to be confusing when they created their own. A lot of Vshojo fans never watched certain members and they have barely 8 of them, doesn't seem like they collab on a regular basis either or like the last drama showed they probably should at least talk to each other a bit more. Really wonder how well the new members would do if they're not part of the clique, would popular members bother to push them with collabs and shit after the first week when they might feel obliged? I can't really see it working all that great in the long run but there will be hype when they start introducing them that's for sure.

[Anonymous No.]

ILLEGAL

[Anonymous No.]

Ina lost 1k, Sana gained 2.5k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731233
I miss these kinds of peaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730259
no way
it would destroy nijis as for some reason their vods take longer to validate. And whil affected they arent as much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731256
1k of ina tabbed into their sana tab

[Anonymous No.]

Miko stream dropping rapidly, wtf is going on.

[Anonymous No.]

Mikkorone too lost viewers for some reason?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731714
>>15731750
audio levels are all over the place, the segment is a mess

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731808
keeps dropping,

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731808
I'm watching it, it's fine. Japanese don't even know wtf Ame is saying in the first place so her audio doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15730611
The average watch time of this stream is just 8 minutes per view
People are just quickly checking the strem and leaving

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731750
EN viewers went to sana?

[Anonymous No.]

bros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732072
she's already going back to the average

[Anonymous No.]

Huh, I just noticed DVR is on. I'm pretty sure that fucks up numbers since it only counts people fully caught up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732072

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone ever check the leaked Twitch source code to see how they determined live viewer numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731141
ill be ready to check them out but I already dont care for most of vsj content besides nyanners solo 3d streams oddly, so theres a hard chance if they go same route Ill be just a debut tourist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732206
It was the same last night

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731750
this segment is boring

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732049
How can you tell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731714
>>15731750
my guess is some viewers jumping betwen sana and here. if it increases back to 19k in the enxt minutes then pretty muc confrim overlaps are killing most streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732072
Ina lost 1k
Sana got 2k
Mikkorone lost 4k
???
those are the only streams going on too

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732086
Twitch is too strong. If you only like big numbers, maybe it's time to migrate to watch Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732280
that's why we dont discuss twitch much anon, it's only good for shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732086
Looks normal for everyone (Pomu is ending her stream and Shu is stubbornly streaming outside of the hours his SEAnigger audeince). Vei is mogging everyone fair and square.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732086
Pomu?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15731141
Pretty sure Vei is the only one who ever bitched about corporations, the rest of them have either kept their thoughts to themselves or openly support corporate vtubers like Ironmouse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732359
Some nips probably muted the english part

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732353
Why would anyone watch Sana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732520
how the fuck does that make any sense?
viewers spiked from 17k to 21k just to start this section

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732320
Average viewers * duration / views
16100 * 85 / 163500 = 8.37 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732592
Some JP viewers left, EN watchers arrived.

[Anonymous No.]

So whats the EN cope this time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732731
the thing is that the view counter takes literally more than 10 hours to finish processing the views

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732731
Which is rather harrowing if you consider their real avg viewer count is probably 2-3x that

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732520
This is the stupidest post I have ever read in this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732731
The CCV is obviously not correct and the total views are almost certainly not, being simultaneously processed by youtube. Your number is *slightly* better than random guessing, but only slightly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732570
she got a shiny rayquaza

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732923
What's your smart take, retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732853
None this part is so boring and bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732086
Veibae now at 15k

[Anonymous No.]

Vei 17k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732486
superchat reading for a debuff game part 6, she is just lucky there is not more overlap otherwise she would have even less viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728539
I think HoloEN could benefit from collabs with Twitch streamers. As long as at least a few viewers go check out the youtube stream their recommendations will be polluted with Hololive clips and vods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15733612
kys

[Anonymous No.]

>Mikkorone VOD has 1.9 million views
>Miko sport festival vod that had 70k viewers for 5 hours has 1.5 million
Really makes you think

[Anonymous No.]

>>15733426
seems to fluctuate alot, i was watching someone else and she seems to bounce from 13.5-16.5k at least on the updates.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15733736
Was that 1.5m at the end of it? If not then it's had time to gain views and isn't even a reliable measure.

[Anonymous No.]

Watching veibae win prizes on crane game is more entertaining than watching the 50th shiny pokemon stream from holoen

[Anonymous No.]

vei at 19k

[Anonymous No.]

>19k Vei
Holy shit that's a Gura number. Holosisters I'm scared.

[Anonymous No.]

Kudos to that anon that predicted Vshojo will beat HoloEN in 2022

[Anonymous No.]

>>15728539
holoen is boring as shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15733900
views are the end are not all the views a stream got and it has been proven a million times

[Anonymous No.]

>>15733900
Nope. You can probably safely take 100k off it to account for views since it first aired. It means the Mikkorone collab was probably pushing 90k CCV in reality.

[Anonymous No.]

Vei 30K

[Anonymous No.]

>sudden 19k and back at 16k
Jesas that's why I hate twitch

[Anonymous No.]

vei at 40k, holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734052
You're free to post screenshots you faggot, this is an imageboard.
Also you're full of shit unless she got spike raided and lost 2.5k viewers in the last minute.

[Anonymous No.]

vei 195k gura btfo

[Anonymous No.]

18k...

[Anonymous No.]

>Vei 100k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734122
All it took was Youtube counting viewers like doing a census of Harlem in 1920

[Anonymous No.]

Vei at 300K, nijisisters...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734268
she honestly did i was watching she was right under 19k with like 18800~ or so

[Anonymous No.]

the absolute state of Youtube in 2022

[Anonymous No.]

Vei at 500K. Amazon servers are crashing...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734148
I know, the thing is the VOD for sportsfes has been up for a while now and has obviously gained views. They're not really comparable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734268
https://www.twitch.tv/veibae
she is playing toreba, that's why it goes up and down

[Anonymous No.]

Vei at 1M

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734337
Yea, I see some real bouncing fuckery going on now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15733612
Twitch viewers just watch twitch. Niji EN has collabed with Vhoujo multiple times and it's done all of jack shit for them.

[Anonymous No.]

Vei at 1.1M and is still inclining

[Anonymous No.]

Annnnd the viewers are coming back to Mikorone after leaving Sana's stream, except it took way longer than it usually does.
FUCK YOUTUBE. FUCK THIS SHIT. IT'S ALL ON PURPOSE.

[Anonymous No.]

Vei passed 3M just now, stream running at 5fps

[Anonymous No.]

Vei is being broadcastet on comedy central

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734558
It's been bouncing because another streamer kept mentioning her and there's some chat hopping going on. No raids as far as I know.
But she's been consistently holding at least 15-16k though.

[Anonymous No.]

vei sucking my dick holobros...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734558
I saw a stream bounce from 150k to 200k in seconds checking twitch like 2 days ago

[Anonymous No.]

Vei passed 5M right now, my smart fridges...

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine the views Vei could get if she streamed Naruto.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734344
>41

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734472
Veibae beating Amoranth the thot queen? Are vtubers displacing the native species on twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734857
amouranth never got high views, she just streams 14 hours everyday

[Anonymous No.]

Vei is mindbreaking holobronies right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15724187
yeah that happened after the first cull

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734785
Fo shoo

[Anonymous No.]

Melody needs some love too...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734857
>tfw YT pouches Amoranth to their platform

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734961
get on her knees and suck Mizkifs and co' dick then

[Anonymous No.]

don't worry it's just youtube, if ina was on twitch she would be over 18k right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734996
poaches?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735070
probably not, if can see Ina over 10k-12k range but not 18k

[Anonymous No.]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA VEI SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEX

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734996
It's POACH you ESL (or just someone who got their shit autocorrected).
Also Hololive should just stream on Twitch for 2-3 days as an experiment just to see how utterly fucked the numbers on YT really are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734961
she's doing better than her usual average so she's probably getting some of that trickle down from the top 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>15723559
>Mikkorone hit 150k live viewers
>We missed out on seeing it because of Susan
Man this sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735070
if Ina was on twitch she would get 300 viewers, she's like the anthesis of what twitch viewers like

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734961
she can suck mizky to do it

[Anonymous No.]

It's stabilized a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734961
getting 4k+ on her alt doesn't seem that bad to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735182
Can't imagine how someone who finds Minecraft gameplay challenging would do at Witcher 3..

[Anonymous No.]

The new face of EN vtubing,

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735070
probably 7k-9k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15722956
Actually in the 2021 marika cup Towa's organizer POV did get the highest peak CCV. Only by 4k over Aqua and Pekora but still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735168
Bob Ross is a weird looking guy and literally dead and gets thousands of ccv. Ina would be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735222
What are her numbers on cb lately?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735361
bob ross has the benefit of being a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735342
Selen is proof that there is the same amount of culling on Twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo is the new top dog now Nijisanji and Hololive is now history.

Like seriously what's the point of numberfagging YT now we should numberfag twitch instead since they have big numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735482
No, might as well numberfag xqc, mizkif and all the Twitch ecelebs if you're gonna numberfag Twitch numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734961
She needs to get Soda interested in her CB streams again

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735482
Get a site that's willing to scrape twitch at the same rate as we do for vrabi and holostats, I wanna see those raid-peaks in real time.

[Anonymous No.]

I think we shouldn't count twitch and youtube together in the ranking, that would make zero sense. It has made zero sense since the fuckery in December 2020, but even less now. The playing field is so unequal it might as well be a different dimension now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735482
>new
They were mogging Council and NijiEN for a while now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735637
streamscharts scrapes data every 5 minutes

for a price

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735658
I mean yes?
But someone's going to do it anyways because it's great shitposting material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735637
Piyo… he stopped scraping them

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735482
Id rather not deal with a market where the top dogs are ecelebs who almost entirely determine who is and isnt popular on the platform outside of rare cases.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735658
it's literally the same shitposter, does it everytime nijiEN is looking like shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735437
pretty sure she's still around 10k but i havent check a lot recently

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735713
>5 minutes
NGMI

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735591
Well we can do Vshojo v/s Vshojo v/s indies.

[Anonymous No.]

I see people are still trying to bait the "Ironmouse get's the first gold of the year" but now with Vei

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735658
disregard anyone comparing vsj to youtube vtuber groups, only retards will do it and retards dont deserve attention.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember when you guys were saying this would be fixed by new years

[Anonymous No.]

What's wrong with vshojo anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735913
half of mios audience move on in 7 days bro get over it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735913
I really, really, REALLY hope an internal memo has been sent to all Holomem at this point, the numbers are absolutely pure jank at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
Yeah you know, vshojo might not be that bad,

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735753
>great shitposting material
Oh yeah let's shit up the thread even more, great idea.
Kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
really nothing but retards here want to bait with them here sometimes just to piss off holo fans

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
They are on Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
nothing we just cant use their numbers since they dont have competition worth considering on the platform and comparing them to youtube is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
From a numbers perspective, Twitch CCV =/= YT CCV, even more so after YET ANOTHER round of CCV fuckery from YT.
Any other discussions? Feel free to make a bait thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735913

[Anonymous No.]

We don't need YT v/s Twitch we can just do Twitch vtuber v/s Twitch vtuber. Schizos don't shy away from Hololive v/s Hololive so what's wrong if we do Vshojo v/s Vshojo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736041
I never said I wanted to do it, fuck that shit this place is bad enough already, but you know our resident fuckers are gonna do it anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
Whats good in vshoujo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736165
Because nobody here cares about vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
nothing but the way twitch works is far different to youtube so they are their own chart for now unless twitch decide to filter their viewers too and still wouldnt mix them as both sites use different ways to filter.
You could make a chart for vtubers on twitch but twitch is like nijisanji. TOP heavy

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
nothing but some people here really get defensive like you saw some posts above

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736165
The Twitch EN Gold!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
they leeched off of lsf clique to get viewers, shouldn't be considered vtubers anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734344
pomu...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734344
>youtube wants to attract a bigger audience
>debuffs the most popular creators
imagine being a creator hearing about this when thinking on switching from other platforms to YT

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734344
>Melody and a lot of low number VShojo mogs this.
Is it time to accept their domination?

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch numbers should be banned in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736165
Because vshojo only exists as a shitposting entity, no one here actually cares about the other members outside of their big 3 unless there's some drama involving all of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736532
"Come to youtube today and get an instant 50% decrease in your viewership!!!!"

Wo could turn a deal like that down?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736403
they were already doing well and growing before their recent collabs

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734344
holy jesus, literally 3views

[Anonymous No.]

So something about shu te nijiEN male
Here is his first undertale stream
https://vrabi.ml/video/q5Wfu5xJuRo
Here is his current one
https://vrabi.ml/video/UjACturzX38

3 day difference, same time. First one peaked in the first hour at 3k and took him 10 min to get 2k
The one right now has been going for an hour an JUST hit 2k.
This is with a timeslot alone for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
Same problem with all Twitch cliques, especially the popular ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736665
it depends entirely on how much they are willing to pay for them, like ludwig is bleeding live viewers but the motherfucker got $30M just to be in YT

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736729
the shape of the graph alone should be enough, it has been extremely smooth lately, barely any notable peak

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736815
it's just like Ninja with Mixer, he will come back when his contract expires

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736566
Yes unless YT fixes it's system we are seeing the death of vtubing on YT.

>Pekora mogged
>Marine mogged
>Kuzuha mogged
>Gura mogged

Basically every top vtubers are just shells to their formal self

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736815
Take the bag for 2 years
Then go back to Twitch after 2 years
DisguisedToast did this just with Facebook gaming instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736165
Because there's no fun in Vshojo wars even the rivalry side is boring, it's always "This vshojo member is bullying this one e-celeb that gives her numbers"

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736815
I dont understand YouTube's thought process at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737052
>I don't understand Susan's thought process
You don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735658
It's not our fault Susan is anally fucking your numbers moron.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736899
>>15736962
That's the best part, take advantage of YT's retarded management to get some easy money, try to cultivate a following in YT that is willing to watch you on twitch and when the contract expires, go back and possibly gain more viewers while also making some easy millions of dollars, is not like susan can fuck you up for doing this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
SUSANNNNNNNNNNNNN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736005
I'm assuming some will already know about it but I'm really considering sending my favourites a discreet SC about this, almost every chuuba is a numberfag deep down and I don't want them to get disheartened over this

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo totaling at 24k, that's HoloEN numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737184
you need to ask in google translated japanese for this to work

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
ive consulted the smoke signals and from I can tell it looks hazy so im unsure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
Nothing. Holobronies and Nijiniggers are just mad that Susan is reaping their CCVs while Vshojo continues inclining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737168
and he still benefits on youtube since he already had a youtube channel there

[Anonymous No.]

>>15727946
Maimoto is taking the gold anyway, doesn't matter if she wins against those two

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737330
>it's been 3 days since those niggers have streamed on YT
they know something...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737418
What's farmer ojisan doing today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737418

What is Maimoto doing today? Mahjong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737480
Mahjong draft

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Ina's CCV always have this tendency to incline very very slowly

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737480
>>15737497
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GGx7d6QDII
Mahjong planning and draft

[Anonymous No.]

>>15736729
Ahaha. It's happening.
The NijiEN males are being marked.
Soon even VOX and MYSTA will be sub 3k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735953
stream on twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737502
depends on the content.

[Anonymous No.]

>3 ENs leave Miko's stream, assuming a lot of EN viewers left
>the view count only goes down 1200
There is tomfoolery afoot. I'm not an ENfag and I hate chumniggers but CCV is a lie for everyone.

[Anonymous No.]

How high will the total go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737629
Twitch counts tabbed out viewers so if everyone on Vei's stream leaves Ironmouse open they can get close to 40k

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737622
That's about how much it went up when it started.

[Anonymous No.]

To give closure to the rrat brought up on an earlier thread, Hima is being followed by the Niji Twitter again and got readded to the livers list. We will probably never know whose side fucked up unless the mentions it

[Anonymous No.]

She is getting her regular numbers.. I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737709
what is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737203
>Vshojo totaling at 24k, that's HoloEN numbers
oof

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737622
Unfortunately, no promotion from EN side other than late tweet from Kiara.

[Anonymous No.]

Im surprised that it took this long for the vshojo shitposting to be more notorious, you fags are getting slow as a turtle with the meta

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737709
>Nimu
she's getting stronger?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737709
last month she had lower subcount than melody lmao spanish viewers are poor af

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737800
Susan's special code only targets vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737800
>regular
>that many people on collab

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737800
I'm pretty confident that whatever Youtube did was a deliberate swipe at vtubers because they're soaking up too much advertisement money

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737203
That's Gura alone on a good day.

HoloEN mostly got 30-40k when they overlap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737826
#1 twitch vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

HoloEN is last years news guys. The numbers are only going down from here unless they do something to make their streams fresh and interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't been seeing Gen 5 schizo or Council schizo for a while. What happened to them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737837
28k now

[Anonymous No.]

what are the effects of the cull views?
does it desmotivates for watching streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737826
the future of VS girls if they dont make collabs with otv often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737800
Assuming she's based in the west and most of her followers are from there she shouldn't be too effected. I know she's some kind of random mixed race person but idk if foreigners are interested in her or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737826
A spic vtuber, the spics have been growing stronger in Twitch. Her clips/vids and stream numbers are all over the place tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738008
ESLchama...No one will understand this LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738008
>pekora couldn't even hold 15k for unboxing and 5k for superchat reading
This but for JP

[Anonymous No.]

Guys hear me out since YT numbers are now fucked and since most people here are not interested in twitch why don't we just become a News thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737956
Will she join Vshoujo next?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738056
didnt happen last year. and youtube doesnt prmote based on views but rather watchtime and enegament so the girsl will remain popular but CCV will be cut down again

[Anonymous No.]

>>15735182
>It's stabilized a bit.
A couple of the VShojos will be getting new outfits this month. Their numbers are going to be remain high for this month as they might be able to retain some of the viewers, especially if theyre able to announce any of their new hires too

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737800
Rumao you'd get atleast 30K-35K on Twitch with that, especially with chat hoppers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738008
This isn't how a vshojofag talk, drop your masquerade nijiniggerkun

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738149
with the shitshow that involved nux that happened recently? not in a long time

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738169
The other 3 have relatively high spec outfits, Nyanners looks like some random shit from MyHoloTv.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738169
doubtful the newcomers comes from mizky and ludwig circle.
They just need to keep appearing with them or getting mentioned by them to keep them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738148
I am fine with that, this is the only place where other corpos are slightly touched.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738149
Don't know, I dont remember the last time she collabed with vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>Vshojo does something out of the ordinary like collabing with fleshtubers to get new content.
This is somehow bad.

>HoloEN continues to decline due to bo bew content
This is somehow better than above.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737709
What are the chances that Nimu joins VShojo? Would it be good for her numbers? Would Vshojo benefit in any way from hiring her?

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't seen this nimuVT collab with any Vshojo. if she did, she'd be talked at /vsj+/

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738203
you see anon, if a nijifag falseflags as a vshojofag then it's ok but if a holofag falseflags as a nijifag then it's bad because it makes honest nijifans look bad in a mongolia basket weaving forum

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737237
Done and now I am sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738148
>News
we will get entangled with random shit like indies graduating, twitter drama, etc..

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738329
the unfortunate part of HoloEN is while the wu flu helped accelerate vtubing its also what helps stagnate them and by that I mean I feel like one of the things Hololive has going for it is the 3D shows. However HoloEN cant do this so they miss a huge crucial part of what makes Hololive... Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738426
I fail to see how that's a problem considering that shit already gets posted here

[Anonymous No.]

29k+

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737956
She averages around 6k

[Anonymous No.]

I personally don’t watch streams unless they have good numbers. With that change, I will probably drop vtubers altogether. Bye anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738514
you can always try and see how it goes

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738488
how are they going to keep up the 3d shows though? do they need to make multiple trips to japan every year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738632
You could always migrate to Twitch and Vshojo if you want good numbers kek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738648
I could see them doing an annual trip. Multiple trips seems unrealistic though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738648
For now that's the solution, the only ones that arent hindered by this are Mori and IRyS because they live in JP but the former doesnt want to do stuff with her 3D before debuting it alongside her genmates and the latter idk what the fuck is going on

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738648
i could see 2 trips a year and Mori/IRyS could show up for multiple easily since theyre in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738648
live in Japan through work visa, then they'll have a better lifestyle waking up early morning

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738760
Or bilibili.

[Anonymous No.]

Vshojo is new face of vtubing, it's the arrival of a new era

We went from 4 kings -> Nijisanji-> Hololive now it's Vshojo's turn let's see what new do they bring

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738760
kek good one

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738898
the twitch audience from LSF

[Anonymous No.]

>>15737923
oh no no no

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738852
what's the top 10 vtubers numbers like these days?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738898
>let's see what new do they bring
nothing, they are twitch streamers, it's where creativity goes to die

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738898
Clout-chasing and e-whoring for all!
Precisely the shit I wanted to avoid when I got into vtubers.
Well, I'll still watch who I enjoy, perhaps Gura's imposter syndrome will fade a bit if her CCV drops below 10k (even if everything else indicates there's 20k+ watching her).

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738985
30k HOLOKEK BTFO

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738648
once they have their debuts they can do home3d and stuff, whihc incidentally is getting really advanced. They just can't do stage live2d

[Anonymous No.]

Twitch count tab out users as one viewer right? So you legit might have 40% watching mouse, 40% watching vei and 20% others. Ash a literal who got 30-40k for months due to otv collabs, people probably put her as a tab in background. Holo also got absurd numbers for collabs before the 2020 december cull which probably count tab out users as one viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738898
honestly reminds me of that comic where the old diehards slowly get replaced by casual fans and lowest common denominator shit, cant find it though. Hell I watch alot of large twitch streamers but none that are deep into those cliques and LSF shit because I fucking hate those crowds but thats where vsj is leaning and if they actually became the face of vtubing that'd be pretty sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738965
One of the audiences that I don't want to see in vtubers industry. Only KPopfags are worse

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738898
>What new do they bring
anon, unlike the boom of niji and holo that at least offered something, vshojo is made of mostly already stablished vtubers, the only thing they could do up until now that is remarkable is that collab with kisuna AI

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739057
Twitch counts AT LEAST 2 yea, I'm not sure if they count more but for sure at least 2. They also count embeds and muted tabs, so ha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738965
Who cares if they are from LSF

Big numbers> small numbers that's all there is to it and no matter how much we complain YT won't fix it's issue so we have to accept Vshojo as the new face

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738985
That's a lot of raid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738488
That's the main problem. Unless Omega and the rest of HoloEN adopts to the current market trends or do something new altogether, they'll cease to be relevant in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739057
you could be watching on emebed, muted and tabed out and still will count.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739235
Actually no raids. Wait for later to see the raid spikes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739235
As far as I know Mouse and Vei hasn't been raided yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738488
EN still doesn't seem to get they need variety content. They still treat the game like the meta is just spamming game streams, but people aren't interested in the games they're interested in the girls. Mori's Jump King totsu got her better numbers than she had in months and it's not because people wanted to watch Jump King.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739057
Twitch number is bloated with bots and muted tabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738488
Old news, that has been the case since January to March 2021.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739238
>current market trends
such as?

[Anonymous No.]

If we're gonna numberfag twitch numbers then we might as well take a look at their vid numbers
>veibei
>151.8k
>211.k
>199.7k
>115.5k
Kek she's a mid tier holo at best

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
react content

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
watching entire seasons of masterchef on youtube

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739587
Twitch audience doesnt watch VODs

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
watch youtube videos EVERY SINGLE STREAM

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739238
>current market trends
i dont know anon, i dont think it's a good idea risking getting DMCA'd because you are watching masterchef

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739587
Twitch audience doesn't really watch vods that much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
On Twitch, Zatsudan is a buff. Gaming is a debuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
2 hours of "unusual memes" reactions

[Anonymous No.]

>>15738985
These chicks would be dead if they stream on youtube lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739641
>"youtube viewers don't watch livestreams" is suddenly an acceptable excuse when its reversed
Nice cope

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739641
>>15739709
that is why is perfect to see their streaming audience.
is like livestreamers on youtube that hide their streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
unironically watching and reacting to other peoples content is peak twitch "content" right now and has been for a long time. Its honestly kinda crazy its a thing thats allowed but viewers love watching their favorite "content" creators react to the same shit they are in real time as them plus maybe hearing their thoughts on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
react content, watch random shit on youtube, drama talk

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739582
React livestreams is king. xQc on Masterchef alone could get 80-100K viewers. Unfortunately for you Holobronies and Nijiniggers, if you did that, you'd get hammered by SOVLLESS Youtube bots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739727
>Zatsudan
you mean "reacting" to youtube videos or now full tv shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739749
both of these excuses are valid

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739773
It's pretty much the "I'm watching with friends" illusion

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739235
no raids, later mizkif might go on mouse stream , if he raids mouse alone will peak well over the total right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739238
Anon i ain't going to twitch just for the girls the get better number which is bs all along. They got the vods, the merch and ads. Ain't they on nycc not long a go with huge full building crazy ass fans?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739727
>react content and drama is a buff on twitch
As much shit that i give to nijisanji and hololive just to piss off their fans, at least when they get the numbers is with something honest and possibly kino, but getting numbers like this has no value and soul, absolutely disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

>open thread
>holokeks on full cope mode
>close thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739929
Yeah but imagine all the new content HoloEN could do in Twitch without some Youtube bot banning them. Imagine all the react streams that wouldn't be possible on Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

What even prompted all this doomtalk? Vshojo's monopoly numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739991
>implying you would leave it open if it were nijikeks instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740018
The usual malding over the recent culling from Susan + people baiting with VShojo numbers has caused a shitshow here

[Anonymous No.]

alot of people here shitting on react content and its low effort so I agree but im assuming big youtube vtubers would do it in a heartbeat if they could. at least holoEN ones that I know would are Ame as she used to, and possibly Gura.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739981
Congratulations, this is the result of having to stream 8-10 hours a day, 5+ days a week just to stay ahead because if you're not LIVE on Twitch, you're dead. No recommends on vods, no recommendations on your channel if you aren't live, no discoverability if you're not live. Unless you're funneling users from off-site onto Twitch (like via YT), you're dead in the water unless you suck up to the cliques.
This is the future of livestreaming Anon, get used to it. It's clear YT doesn't care about it, as why would someone who doesn't know how utterly FUCKED CCV is on YT move onto the platform when they 'see' numbers that are much, much better on Twitch even if their actual viewership numbers might not have increased at all vs their YT presence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740018
people comparing twitchnumebrs to youtube numbers which is stupid

but i want to see where this goes
https://twitter.com/GordonRamsay/status/1477820260078145537

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740018
Vshojo bait and people falling for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740018
it was primarely the recent culling of susan which is getting tracked hard atm just to find out how much % of viewers were culled this time, vshojo inclining didnt helped because it invites the resident shitposters to come out

[Anonymous No.]

>>15739842
potential top GFE content if you think about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15732731
This roughly checks out with what Pikamee was saying a while ago. If I remember correctly she said the average viewer on her streams only stays for 11 minutes.
The people watching the entire stream length are completely balanced out by people tuning in, only watching for a minute and then moving on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740152
On one hand, mass DMCAs on Twitch would be absolutely fucking hilarious.
On the other hand, I doubt happens (at least in the short term).

[Anonymous No.]

How much is mouse's poll last time? I remembered around 20%, won't surprised me if 50% just put her on tab in the background and watched someone else like mizkif or other vshojos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740237
Disney might step in if they keep watching their contents

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740152
>fucking XQC replying
he's going to fuck it up isnt he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15734785
Twitch only updates numbers somewhat infrequently. If a huge raid came in between 2 updates that's possible, but 150k must have been a special event because not even XQC gets those numbers on normal streams, what were you watching?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740152
Does Gordon have an ownership interest in whoever distributes master chef? Even if he’s fine with it it’s not that simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740152
THE CONTENT NOOOOO

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740324
It would be an amazing New Year's present but unfortunately nothing of the sort is going to happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740324
Mr. "I'm going to fight the IOC over fair-use after getting DMCA'd" XQC? Fuck this up? Nooooooo.
I swear though, if he does cause the next big legal-battle over Twitch? It'd be poetic, hilarious, and absolutely deserved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740152
OH GOD OH FUCK OH GOD OH FUCK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740018
Vshojo has recently collabed with very popular non-vtuber streamers (they were on parasocial with over 70k live viewers among other things) and they're inclining hard right now, they're getting a lot of new viewers which is making shitposters come out of hiding to bait people here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740324
https://twitter.com/GordonRamsay/status/1477823246569394180

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740324
it goes 2 ways
1.-He collabs wit xqc and and get him some views BUT stops the amster chef piracy.
2.-He founds out he has pirate streamed 4 seasons of his show and tell tv station

Anyway it will stop once the the tv station realize what is going on.

[Anonymous No.]

All this Vshojo talk made me curious how good their average viewers for Dec is compared to HoloEN
Gura - 23,748
Mori - 10,310
Ina - 9,895
>Nyanners - 9,798
>Veibae - 9,689
Kronii - 9,484
>Ironmouse - 8,155
Mumei - 8,155 (they're tied wtf)
Ame - 7,588
Baelz - 6,512
IRyS - 6,069
Kiara - 5,909
Fauna - 5,594
>Silvervale - 3,878
>Zentreya - 3,312
Sana - 3,219
>Apricot(Froot) - 2,858
>projektmelody - 2,856
>Hajime - 914
numbers taken from Sullygnome for Vshojo. HoloEN numbers derived from average of average views from each stream (not peak) using Holopoi as source

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740600
>>15740659
sounds like the first one

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740600
>literal whos trying to leech off of Gordon in the replies
You love to see it

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
vshojo incline from mizkif collab is very recent youll need to wait like 2-3 more weeks then average that post-buff month

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740659
Most TV stations have boomer suits, they think xQc streaming Masterchef is free advertising even thought it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
EN is absolutely not retaining those averages, are they

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740659
>it will stop once the the tv station realize what is going on.
There's absolutely no way they haven't known for a while, he's been streaming in front of 100k people for how almost a month now

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740659
3. Neither, this is just twitter bantz and nothing comes of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
Vshojo inclined the last half of 2021. They also get very consistent numbers so the ilusion that they're beating up the CCV of youtubers will always be there since their numbers just don't go down or up that much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
After the recent incline after parasocial and the Sodapoppin stuff I wouldn't be surprised to see Veibae at #2 behind Gura next month. She seems to have gotten the lion's share.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740747
50/50
the program was made by fox if i recall who owns it nowdays?
>>15740767
you overstimate how popular twitch is to the general public

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
>last ninjas claiming that Vshojo would never beat holoJP have to eat their words now
You fucking love to see it

[Anonymous No.]

So what's the verdict for new cull affecting EN? Because 6-7k aren't outside Ina's average vs the absolute slaughter this cull did to JP numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740783
But rn they are beating both hololive and Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
the parasocial buff for vshojo happened at the end of december, it's changing much taking the whole month in consideration, better to wait jan to see if numbers stick around

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740849
we wont know until EN starts streaming regularly again because theyre all on break and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740833
Vei and Nyanners are probably gonnna consistently break 10k in January. Ironmouse probably more like 9k

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740871
They're not beating Gura or holoJP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740871
Not really, even with the broken CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740849
depends on next maonth streams
however most of it wil be mario kart so i dont think they will

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740755
nope. Without the outfit reveal
Gura - 20,268
Mori - 8,860
Ina - 7,762
Vshojo's top 3 is strong af

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
>Vei going full degen in the VRChat date at Soda's stream s going to make her the new queen of EN Vtubers
I KNEEL

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740746
>>15740755
>>15740783
>>15740833
>>15740884
LMAO Any year now Vshojo will take over vtubing
>Only 3 of them is carrying and even losing to Sana LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740928
yeah the homos are in the trash we kow. The culling seems fto be affecting nijiEn now.

https://vrabi.ml/video/F1nK4FkSWrA
https://vrabi.ml/video/gRQlrD_bFCE

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740928
Sana feels like a gate blocking NijiEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740849
Need to see more streams. Maybe EN isn't affected, or maybe this is an outlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740928
>6519857125125
Shubros... Not like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740849
Looks like they also got affected, gura's 4 hour stream that averaged 18k and peaked at 23k~ got 700k~ vod views less than a day in, this stream absolutely mogs most of her other streams that have the same lenght even though her ccvs were a tad bit lower

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740996
This always happens anon. Even without the proven CCV on youtube being a fraction of the real stuff, if NijiEN and Vshojo get a good week, they immediately proclaim themselves the new future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741044
yesterday bae stream and the early morning one with AC seems tome they get affected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740849
The main evidence for EN being affected is how badly they got fucked during the relay with the waiting rooms, but as others have said EN haven't streamed enough post cull for useful data.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
>comparing twitch to youtube
So this is peak retardation

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740996
I don't think anyone seriously expects them to take over anything and none of them will get to Gura numbers anytime soon. People are just shitposting now because of their incline.
But to be fair to them it's actually 4 of them that are carrying. Twitch is Melody's alt account. Her CB numbers are in the 10k range too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741023
But we've seen streams from Ina, Sana, Kiara all within their average numbers.
Meanwhile we've seen Watame, Noel, Suisei fail to reach half their average numbers on staple content.
>>15741081
This stream got about 200k+ in views way after it was over, it's more of an example of the classic Gura viewers actually watching VODs factor

[Anonymous No.]

would've been a million by now if Susan didn't hack off 40k yesterday

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741196
Is it still beating Unison or no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740996
>i'm retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741130
Not their fault Susan is killing numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740849
5k is the new 10k now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741085
>proclaim themselves
>not people falseflagging

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741255
no, it's now currently 42 hours since it aired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741143
Iirc it was 350k right after the stream was over and it got +200k after an hour or two which could just be a mix of youtube verifying some of the viewers and actual vod viewers watching

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741297
I mean it's literally the only interactions we get from Vshojo and NijiEN, so they're either some fans of them, or it's just 100% falseflaggers from them and no on else ever interacts with /#/

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740833
2022 might be the year of veibae

[Anonymous No.]

>>15740696
>holoEN 8.771
>vshojo 5.182
so even ignoring the fact that twitch numbers are inflated to shit, holos still win by almost double? lol

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone explain what happened here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741468

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741272
>I'm gonna nitpick streams and raid to compare and easily win against someone
>Month numbers shows up and vshojo lose again LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741468
>Sodapoppin, XQC and rolfgator viewers coming in
>Ironmouse viewers dropping

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741468
https://youtu.be/j1mRnJBwquM?t=436

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741556
my original post you quoted wasnt saying vshojo would beat holoEN at all just that the average will be different in 2-3 weeks due to their recent collabs with big twitch cliques

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741529

[Anonymous No.]

Since we're discussing it, Vshoujo has a bunch of 'periphery' vtubers who are always interacting with them but aren't actually part of the group, Veibae was in this category as well. Which ones should they bring in if they want to actually boost the group's numbers as a whole? Snuffy? Haruka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741468
>>15741531
>soda xqc mizkif amongst others
vei hitting that twitch meta crowd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741636
So was this a JP thing specifically?
How are Niji numbers affected? Niji has so many members and branches, there should be data there, did NijiJP, NijiID and NijiEN all get hit the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741698
they ran auditions so we will see the fruits of that in next few months i assume. no point really rolling these ideas around, what matters is will they get people who also play the twitch meta and collab with established upper cliques like big 3 are

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741698
Snuffy and Haruka would be obvious choices assuming they want to join. They'd be in immediately. But I think they're more likely to look for more smaller indie vtubers that they think have good potential.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741721
Nijis are barely affected. The only ones that seem to be hit are their top streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741704
That's exactly where her recent incline is coming from. Sadly it's really noticeable in the chat. It's pure twitch meme garbage now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741721
Nijis also got hit, Lize didn't get 10k on an outfit reveal, Mito didn't get 8k on judgement, Kuzuha didn't get 15k on a zatsudan I think

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741777
Ah yes Watame, Noel, Robocco, Mel. The cream of the crop in CCV.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741854
I said Nijis you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741824
>sadly
It's a good thing, at least someone in the vtubing world knows how to actually incline instead of playing the same old stupid games nip vtubers like holos and nijis do

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741777
nah their are affected too, they are just so low most of the time is hard to notice
>>15736729
>>15741004
petras collab seems like it will plateu or gorw extremly slowly too
https://vrabi.ml/video/4VUpK6gCGzU

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741698
>>15741775
It's interesting how for the longest time people assumed that Haruka would be in HoloEN Gen 2 (or at least audition for it), but that never happened. Probably for the best.

[Anonymous No.]

this nip experimented, joined a stream with zero viewers using his regular account and the view count was never updated, he waited 30 minutes and made another one and joined the same stream which immediately recognized the view, all using the same network options, including wifi and mobile data

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741824
The classic *deal with the devil*. In this case the devil is the Twitch clique, and the obvious drawback is that whatever culture they had in their audience is now to be replaced with that of the clique.
Hope they can hold on to those numbers long-term or else it won't have been worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741698
>Which ones should they bring in if they want to actually boost the group's numbers as a whole? Snuffy? Haruka?
>Snuffy? Haruka?
They would have to go for the likes of NimuVT if they really want to expand their viewer pool. Someone who is outside their circle but can work well with VShojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741698
If Snuffy and Haruka want to join they'll get accepted immediately. They're basically unofficial members. The group's numbers wouldn't increase much form that though, since there's already a lot of overlap with those 2. Other "periphery" tubers are Rosedoodle, Anny, Lord Aethelsten, Nihmune and a few others I can't recall right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741935
>brings in 3 more NijiEN for her Project Sekai shill stream
Gee Petra how come you get to bring that many friends?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
I hate youtube so fucking much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
so that means that tourists are more likely to be counted?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
So basically once Youtube flags your account you become a non-person and never contribute any views to anything you watch? What's the criteria for doing this? Liking a Trump video?

[Anonymous No.]

I do feel like en got culled too, not like jp but around 10-20%, niji en males and females all feel like it is harder to hit their usual peaks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741982
is not a shill stream unfortunatelu

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742010
No, it's more like they're shadowbanning certain accounts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741824
I saw Veibae's chat but it was honestly refreshing compared to the average vtuber stream, they are usually simp-ish, like, for them the vtubers are never at fault and they don't bant that much

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741979
How funny would it be if all the new members are just normal vshojo friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741979
>Lord Aethelsten
I've seen this guys name come up for possible future NijiENs

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741956
Makes it feel like Twitch's unique viewership overall is pretty low seeing just how much overlap there is between all the top streamers.
>>15741942
So if they flag your account for "bot" behavior it means you will basically be a dead sub?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742108
>>15742097
>>15742084
>>15741982
>>15741979
>>15741970
>>15741956
wrong thread, make one

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741956
Consider the general EN mindset regarding anime ... I'm not keeping my hopes up

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741979
>Anny, Lord Aethelsten
These would be probably be good additions since they don't have anyone streaming in those times pretty much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
Gods, they're flagging power-viewers aren't they (those that watch a lot of streams for extended periods of time) and not adding them into CCV? Or they're just flagging accounts left and right?
If it's the former, that would certainly go a long way to explaining why so many Holos are getting fucked over and why many of the top Nijis seem to have been affected too.
All this, in an attempt to 'remove spam viewers'. Good fucking job Youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742047
It's part of the Proseka NY's relay, this is day 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742097
Twitter would be pissed at them again

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
Wait, so there are account shadowbans? Is that the root of the whole thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742120
>Gura was never the queen of dead subs, most of her subs were just flagged
I'm not ready to accept this reality...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
>>15742022
Looks like it, once Susan flags you as a "bot" for whatever stupid reason (like subbing to 5 accounts at once), you're basically erased from any metric and become a ghost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742084
thats just atypical twitch chat, tune into any stream with more than 10000 viewers thats apart of those streams listed with her overlaps and itll look the same.

[Anonymous No.]

Bros... I don't want to be a bot ;;

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742223
a typical*

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742223
A typical twitch chat is way more fun than your usual vtuber simp chat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742162
When is twitter not pissed? A few fags on twitter tried to cancel Veibae over her "rhubarbed" hat. I swear there are people actively looking for things to get offended by.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742171
Fubuki's translator has been shadowbanned on her chat before, i am not sure how he resolved it, just remember he tweeted at youtube twitter before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742191
I don't think the dead subs narrative was necessarily true either. A lot of her huge amount of subs are simply vod viewers because they can't catch her streams live due to timezones. At least I choose to believe this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742251
i wont disagree, twitch chat is part of the twitch experience but at the same time I already watch several streamers i consider far more entertaining than vshojo on twitch with similar chats so its not that exciting to me anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742195
So basically they just comb through accounts on December each year and flag a whole bunch of them at once, hence the cull. Which means CCV is never going to be fixed because it's literally Youtube unpersoning random accounts

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742120
>Youtube live viewership record for a single stream
>around 8 million
>Twitch live viewership record for a single stream
>around 2 million

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742097
They wouldn't because it'll destroy any goodwill the VShojo girls had left with the Vtubing community.

Why call yourself an "agency" if all you're doing is hiring your friends

[Anonymous No.]

>be youtube
>there's a probability that [x]% of the viewers are bots
>instead of investigating them, deny everyone slightly suspicious, even if it means sacrificing [x * 1+retarded_ratio ] of real viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742132
If Youtube is shadowbanning accounts with Youtube Premium they're in a whole lot of shit because they're keeping the revenue and not passing it on to the creators their subscribers are watching

[Anonymous No.]

So why shouldn't we test this shit once and for all? Couldn't someone open a livestream, post the link here, and note down the results?

[Anonymous No.]

One of my theory yesterday was susan is flagging chuuba viewers as spam bots because chuuba audience love to spam emojis and kusa. It would explain a lot of things honestly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741468
>>15741531
Is it harder to become a big twitch streamer and have viewers that do not overlap with bigger streamers on twitch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742365
>it'll destroy any goodwill the VShojo girls had left with the Vtubing community.
I don't think it would, if anything people were surprised they were doing auditions because they thought they were a friend group. As long as their popular they'll be just fine.
Either way, I'm pretty sure Gunrun and Mowtendo have been lurking in the channels of some indies so it definitely looks like they're branching out a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742580
yes becasue twitch has no descoverability
you cant find things by content there you find them by the person.
so it has created this pyramid of users where most new users go to the top and a few tricle to the bottom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742580
Yeah. XQC ends up in the overlap of a lot of sizable streamers just because of his sheer size.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742580
Near impossible.
It's why Twitch feels so 'insular' (Because it is).
You can grow by funneling off-platform users onto Twitch (via YT and such), but once you get to a certain size, you WILL start getting audience overlap with the bigger streamers as you get noticed. If you get dragged into the cliques, well, then your overlap becomes even greater.

[Anonymous No.]

>2 hours
>likes not even half of the ccv
yesterday, /here/ told me that we couldn't use Ludiwg because his fans come from twitch and they don't know that liking videos is a thing, now what?
it's the same ratio too btw, less than half the ccv

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742328
Is that explain why it's less affecting HoloEN because most viewers already flagged December 2020?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742729
It's obvious now that YouTube is clearly targetting Vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742569
I have been trying, but every time I join an empty stream, the view count is hidden, let me make a video, pretty sus

[Anonymous No.]

>>15741942
this is similar to the shadow ban. so they might have a different flag for live view "spam." since that previous jop that tried this still had their comment in chat visible. good luck getting this removed/resolved. they never fix or even acknowledge the issue with one of my early account that got shadow banned for no reason (probably because i always use adblock in incognito). best way is to just start a new account and behave like a normie on it (including using it on your mobile with all the tracking turned on) with a side of watching chuubas.

[Anonymous No.]

I caught 3.6k waiting on Mori's stream, wonder how long it'll take her to gain that back

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742899
20-30 minutes. Take it or leave it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742744
Can't say about the holo and en niji girls but it would explain the niji males not getting culled on jp timeslot because their audience on that timeslot is literally new group of people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743016
If you think about it, Hololive fans act completely different to most users.
They tend to sub to everyone, "funnel" into other streams once one ends, watch multiple members at the same time and "spam" chat with the same message over and over again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742899
>>15742992
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/4oKmfrYt6SY
3.8k peak
Looks like she's almost hit her waiting room number 7 minutes in, she'll probably get there by the 10 minute mark.

[Anonymous No.]

Bets on how long till Mori mogs mousey and vei's stream today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742899
took 7 mins to gain her peak waiting room

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743216
8 minutes and she gained her peak wait room

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743220
Not happening. Mori's peaks for JK don't go above 12-15k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743220
She probably won't, Jump king endurance without open VC won't bring that much viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743191
It's not surprising that AI counts them as bots. Fanatical fans are botlike in behavior and AI can't differentiate them with real bots

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743269
>>15743282
Well shieeet. When is Yagoo gonna renew his bot subscription?

[Anonymous No.]

whoa, this is pretty fucked up, they really remove you from the viewers list,
>opened the stream
>counted me as a viewer for 5 seconds on PC and Android
>now it shows 0 viewers on both and can't make it go to 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742191
Damn. Gura was meganerfed yet she still manages to hold on and compete with the top.

Gura! I kneel!

[Anonymous No.]

What is the most spammed word for vtubers? For jp, i probably think it is 草, english probably is pog or poggers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743429
Now try it with a fresh account.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743455
For english it's probably lol/LOL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742729
not vtuber = not culled. look at some of the vtuber roommates, their CCV are fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743486
that's what I'm doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743455
Kusa/草/yabe/yabai

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743429
>>15742191
>>15742120
>>15741942
So Gura never had deadsubs all along. They were just mistakenly labeled as bots by Youtube's fucked up algorithm.

It means that the cull isn't necessarily a one-time slash, but may be a continuous cull that affected EN more heavily until now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743429
I guess I was a bot all along

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742729
>25k viewers
>cull makes it hard for old 20k+ vtubers to even break that now
susan trying to prop up its poached twitch streamers

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>>15742729
I fucking hate youtube. Why do they hate anime girls so damn much?

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>>15743562
Anon stop with this argument. Deadsubs exist, they're just not as prominent as schizos would argue. A deadsub is someone who has completely abandoned an account/bot. Someone who never ever has a chance to watch one of your streams again.
Otherwise, theyr'e always a chance someone subbed to you will tune into one of their videos that pops into the inbox, even if they don't do it for 99% of videos.
And literally all holos have this situation or the CCV would be in the millions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743621
they are cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743586
Their poached streamers still can't top Holo/Niji whenever they hold an event even with this ridiculous cull.

I always knew 2d was superior to 3d.

[Anonymous No.]

I blame KPop fans and their server farms for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743522
The app doesn't show me the numbers but the stream on the PC changed to 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743708
Sigh.
YOUTUUUUUBBBEEEEEE!

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743753
I recorded video, stopped watching on the new account and changed back to zero, I had to open another stream before the counter changed

[Anonymous No.]

>>15742729
We can't let streamer we hire look bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743799
You bitch, you will never beat anime!

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>>15743791
I guess I'm a bot then
anyway, if you want to experiment I did this
>go here
>https://www.youtube.com/gaming
>select a game, preferably the least popular
>scroll down until you see a stream with zero viewers

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if the regulars are ebing shadowbanned from the live viewcount then that explains why they can recover their waiting room. Those are regulars they are there and if they were there their numbers would be back to normal.
However i think this might be spreading a little
current nijinoon right now is laggin failry behind compared to the others other and it has toya on it.
Would also explain why these kind of events like tournament, mikorone 24hr, etc can still get numbers for now. The problem satrts if this keeps happenign then it will eventually hit the big streaemrs.
i thin is part of the reason why the new nijien boys haven ben it as hard. As they are tourist magnet yet.

Also jere pikamee yakuza0
https://vrabi.ml/video/wcCVKQI4br4 yesterday
https://vrabi.ml/video/x7S2ldMgXSA today

regular or repeated content might be getting hit the hardest

[Anonymous No.]

I feel that youtube has a list of "bot behaviors" and the minute any account engages in one of them, the account is flagged and culled.

[Anonymous No.]

Sugoi

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>>15743931
So if you open more than 1 tab video you are a bot?

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>>15742132
>>15742435
>>15743363
This leades me to believe that in order for YouTube to actually work for VTubers, they will have to create a whitelist for Premium users that will not shadow-ban for any reason them even if they're thought to be bots by the algorithm unless they get reported for major ToS violations.

Then again, YouTube has arbitrage agreements in their ToS so maybe they can get away with it.

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>>15742779
no, just vtuber viewers that behaves like bots just like kpop fans

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>>15743708
I would think then that the reason Nijis didn't get hit as hard is something that was speculated on this thread before. Hololive and Nijisanji don't have much of a viewer overlap.

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>>15743978
That seems to be what youtube believes.

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>>15743878
Cool I'm a human under Youtube terms and conditions. I guess it helps having used this account for a while and watched a bunch of different stuffs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744010
What the fuck counted as "HUMAN BEHAVIOR" anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

I did the experiment again with the same results, my main account never gives a view to any zero-view stream, the new one always updates it correctly
some remarks
>it takes like ~10 seconds for the view counter to update
>refresh after that if you still don't see the number updated
>to successfully "stop watching a stream" you have to open another one and the viewer should drop to zero pretty fast

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>>15743994
they won't do that. spammers/view botters will take advantage of that. there's a reason why youtube won't even ackowledge that this is happening. they don't want to give any hints to spammers on how to work around whatever metrics they use to flag.

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>>15744059
letting youtube track you and make their money.

[Anonymous No.]

Would explain why nju gets high numbers and slow chat because it is literally tourists. Kuzuha and mito still get culled daily because it is the usual audience.

[Anonymous No.]

All-time low record?

[Anonymous No.]

Mori's growth rate on her stream is almost identical to Ina's Pokemon stream. Probably doesn't mean much, but I thought it was interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

So how long until someone develops a site that can tell you if you're shadowbanned or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744196
Susan capped them at 14k...damn.....

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>>15744196
Wtf not even 15k for Niji noon?
The guests kinda suck this time, but this usually gets at least around 20k.

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>>15744196
With these guests.
I want actual Nijikeks to defend this.
Do you really believe this stream would have ONLY gotten 14k? Does that look normal to you, at all? Given there's Lize and Toya?
It's obvious the cull is spreading/already applied here.

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>>15743878
I just tried this. I only show up as a viewer if I am logged out of my youtube account.

[Anonymous No.]

It's strange though. Presumably these 'ccv-shadowbanned' accounts still count for VoD views though, as that seems to be unaffected. So then what's the point of preventing them from counting for CCV when as many people have said, that statistic doesn't matter to YouTube financially?

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>>15744309
It has Toya and Lize. That should have ensured guaranteed 20k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744309
lize + toya...

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744196
How are the vod views doing? This type of streams has diminishing returns, look at hololive error.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744261
Susan will make it "a 3rd party metric that does not represent how youtube works"

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>>15744196
Holy fuck that 14k instant plateau the moment they hit it

[Anonymous No.]

Numberbros, do you think holos doing all these polls lately is an attempt to gather data to present their case to Youtube? Cover is obviously aware of the issue, and they obviously going to ask Youtube what is going on.

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>>15744364
Because it makes the CCV of their Twitch streamers look b ad.

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>>15744070
Wtf, I tried this method out on someone's outlast stream.
I entered the stream with my main account when it was at 4 people watching and the ccv never moved, I left after 2 minutes without the counter ever moving.
I then entered the stream again with my other account but this time there were only 3 watchers, after some time the ccv became 4 so I paused it and now it's back to 3. Looks like the flagged theory is correct

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>>15743878
>>https://www.youtube.com/gaming
Wait how long do I have to stay so I can be counted? I tried 4 different livestreams and I didn't get counted wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>15743878
this tab has direct access to the catalogue of shitty games, you can test there scrolling down
https://www.youtube.com/gaming/games

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744364
they might be culling VoD next, you never know

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>>15744070
Are you disabling adblock?

[Anonymous No.]

Susan capped mori at 6k. Irys 1k waiting room.

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>>15744104
Well, the alternative is facing a potential PR nightmare because they underestimate nerd autismo. If enough people become aware of this and start kicking up a storm, you will end up seeing them being forced to respond. At that point, they're much better off just whitelisting premium users and counting them for maybe one active stream view since they don't get ads fed from advertisers anyway (which is why they're trying to ban spam views).

It is literally the most common sense solution to the problem.

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>>15744196
elu is a debuff

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>>15744406
It's both audience interaction and also "Hey YouTube? WTF?". It would certainly at least force YT to give them an answer as they have a slate of evidence across multiple channels with this nonsense.
I still say they should honestly just put TeamYT on blast on twitter, clearly they're way too content to ignore you otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

and now is time for mori's chart to look flat as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

If you love your oshi you would create a fresh account to add to their CCV

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744309
>The guests kinda suck this time
>it has toya and lize

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744450
Last time i tried using a 1view indie i got counted after one min, for some clarification i don't spam kusa or chat much at all on youtube.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744465
>he doesn't know
...anon...

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>>15744473
I don't use adblock on YT because all I watch is holos and I don't mind the 5 second ads, doesn't matter anymore, I'm using the stock android YT app on Phone and Tablet and as you can see, only the new account works

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>>15744540
well culling on the scale of what they're doing to CCV now. 500k views will be the new 1m VoD

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>>15744504
Tweeting at the corporate twitter account is not how you get shit done. Cover is a big enough user of Youtube that they should easily be able to contact someone on the higher level of Youtube who is able to explain / fix the issue.

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>>15744518
>>15744372
Lize is one of the 2 hosts and she alternates with Shellin.
Kenmochi shows up pretty often to Niji noon so he's not some big guests.
The only new people this time around are all unpopular.
However, even with this anemic lineup, it should get around 20k, like all the previous eps in the past with anemic lineups.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744465
The HoloEN cover of Ochame Kinou lost 50k views yesterday

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>>15744624
Lize is the MC, Toya, Aki, Levi are the performers. The guest here is Elu.

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>>15744613
I get it, at the same time letting YT constantly pull this shit without the general vieweebase being aware this sort of fuckery is constantly going to just makes it easier for them to keep sneaking this shit in. I do agree though, that first and foremost doing things via corporate contacts is the best, but at some point when things just aren't getting addressed you need to push back.

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I love how most holofags and nijifags are on a truce while going insane from Susan's fuckery.

Would be nice if Holo and Niji tries Twitch. I wonder if they can overthrow VShojo.
>Come on, those Vshojofags deserved to be humbled.

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>>15744462
Looks like my account isn't flagged and I watch multiple streams at a time sometimes. Then again, I'm also a premium user with Youtube whitelisted on my adblocker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744595
>he still doesn't know
...aaaanooon....

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744772
It's hard to fling shit when data is flawed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744772
>Susan was the true unityfag all along.
Susan... I kneel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744772
maybe the real CCV was the friends we made along the way
fucking 2view

[Anonymous No.]

Move here when you fags done
>>15744788
>>15744788
>>15744788

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>>15744776
I'm not premium but I don't use adblock and I have 4 memberships running, also SC fairly frequently, pretty shitty feeling honestly

[Anonymous No.]

So every December their AI flags accounts that have bot-like behavior. After 2022 Dec we will be doing top 10 CCV with 1k as breakpoint

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>>15744776 (me)
I turned on adblocker, it registered my view for 10 seconds and then removed it.
Then after some amount of seconds it adds my view back but then removes it after another 10 seconds.

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>>15744870
the 2020 update might have been exclusive to "foreign viewers" relative to the country of origin of the channel, this year seems to be applied to local accounts too

[Anonymous No.]

ENcucks are overdosing on cull cope, and nijjifriends are all too happy to cope along with them. typical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744870
2025, the chuba with a viewer rules them all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>15744772
Some of the Nijis have tried Twitch, at least NijiEN has

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>>15744776
can you try opening the same stream on multiple devices using the same account? I was being counted normally when one stream was open but the view count dropped to zero when I opened the same stream on my phone so two streams were running simultaneously