/asp/ - Aspiring Vtuber and Startup

[Anonymous No.]

What is /asp/?

A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive, fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
No! You can always start out as a pngtuber!

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Check out Brian Tsui's (of Iron Vertex) YouTube channel!

Where can I find artists/riggers?
Skeb.jp, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

Twitch or Youtube?
Multistream to both.

RESOURCES:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/uALiNZCV
"avoid doing this shit": https://pastebin.com/vbp6qEdt
List of Assets and other resources: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQHyRDZ3nxlIINfZz_wWCbgQ9gR4OgbTFhyGwq45DseUixkJJKbUmhPjnkWcmh7dOCDdxObAZXv_zti/pubhtml

Stay grounded, stay hopeful. Don't kill yourself yet.

[Anonymous No.]

Have any small victories lately, /asp/? What was something encouraging that happened to you recently?

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>>14131007
I hit 300 sub! I am thinking of a way to celebrate it now! On 200 I opened discord, on 100 I did karaoke.

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>>14131338
That's great! Maybe something like a community draw night in an aggie? Something that lets your viewers get involved is always fun, even if none of you are good artists.

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There's an /asp/ discord? How do I get a link?

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>>14133458
There's a few people you can DM for an invite; usually Lance Maverick, Elliott Ambers, or Bodega_Rat

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>>14133458
There's also a public one run by Cadence Harper

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>>14131007
Seeing names of people that I didn't know originally repeatedly pop into chat each stream has been really encouraging! it's nice to see when you get a new viewer who becomes a regular

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Would buying 4chan adspace be a good idea if i want to pander to /here/?

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>>14138282
sure? don't know why you'd want to pander to /here/ though but it makes sense

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>tfw get like 2 viewers a stream
>super motivated to stream
>but when I get home I lose all motivation and just play vidya by myself and friends

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>>14138282
no

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>>14139180
Try making a schedule and sticking to it and seeing how that affects your mood.

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>>14139180
>lose all motivation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_M-6lkoi6L4
you must have missed the message

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>>14140671
>[YouTube] [ORIGINAL SONG] Off With Their Heads - Calliope Mori

Thats it. Take a good role model, Mori, Nina, max the grindset mentality.

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the incline is slow but real and i'm really happy with how things are going

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>>14139180
If you can't push through low motivation or convince yourself through a schedule then you really are ngmi.
The beginning is a really big demoralizing filter, you just have to keep up the grind and make connections a just hope you win the gamble.

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people didn't realize it then, but motivation is just a marketing trap to sell you shit. some of the worst shit was Tony Robbins between 2012 and 2015. motivational speakers and words of affirmation all do nothing but pull in your emotional strings to make you feel something short term. that pushes you over the edge to make an impulse decision like buying a self help book or enrolling in a motivaitonal seminar. it doesn't last long so there's an incentive to keep teasing it over and over again so people keep buying more stuff to remain "motivated"

don't fall for the motivation trap. it never lasts long enough especially if you want to make it in a career like streamer. set a schedule and stick to it. doesn't matter if you're feeling good or bad be consistent. if you find your schedule is too heavy then reduce it and commit to that. but don't let weak shit like motivation hold you back.

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i've been sick for over a week and haven't been able to stream (coughing and sore throat)
hope no one has forgotten about me kek

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>>14145193
hey Cadence hope you get well soon

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>>14145193
>chuuba I watch got sick at the end of last week with a sore throat and hasn't streamed for a week now

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>>14139333
Helped out Lumi a lot

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>>14145242
dunno who that is sry
>>14145260
:eyes:

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>>14145519
The writing style gives you away

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Not motivated to stream lately because seasonal depression and using a mid-tier model I don't connect with. I have to wait months for a new model bros... I might not make it.

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>>14146254
get rid of the model and stream without it

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>>14146288
I will probably at least need a rough draft png of my new concept right? Having nothing to represent me as a vtuber sounds even worse than not using my current model.

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>>14145622
lol i am more than likely not whoever you think i am. i only have like 160 followers

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>>14146484
You absolutely need some form of model to be a vtuber. You can stream without a model at all, some people do, but it's even harder than vtubing - you've only got your voice to work with.

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>>14146484
who cares just stream and get your reps in

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>>14146494
My bad

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>>14138282
the only people who look at the ads are the ones that are profoundly mentally retarded and totally computer illiterate or the underage phone posting zoomer niggers
if those are your target audience then its worth a shot, if not it would be detrimental

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>>14142973
how did she success?

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>>14146254
same kinda desu
i did get a free vroid from a friend and I like the design, but model has lots of bugs and I lowkey feel bad and don't want to tell him
I wish he changed some textures desu

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>>14149824
heres some vroid texture packs if you or any anons want to use them
https://files.catbox.moe/jzn11w.zip
https://files.catbox.moe/pxyun0.zip
https://files.catbox.moe/tf4t7q.zip
https://files.catbox.moe/3v5xhr.zip
https://files.catbox.moe/9ggjff.zip

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>>14146494
>the chuuba I watch who took a week-long break only passed the 150 mark last week

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>>14153043
i have no idea who you could be talking to but i absolutely adore this ogey

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>>14153043
oh god oh fuck

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>>14131007
I somehow managed to hit 70 followers! And i've been streaming pretty consistently around 7pm est.

I want to grow more but I'm not sure how to market myself.

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>new male vtuber design reveal
>it's another vtuber based off Sun Wukong monkey
>there's like four of them now
>all will be overshadowed by Kenji's 1.2k CCV

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>>14154615
>being overshadowed due to design
Literally never happens.

There will always be catgirls
There will always be dog boys
There will always be goblins
There will always be someone else bigger using the same animal, colors, etc.

Just pulling a random Wukong from Twitter here, but these designs are so different, and without being told you wouldn't assume either of them were based off of Wukong, including Kenji's without the staff and tail that you never see on stream to begin with.

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forgot my image

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Are meta/deconstructive designs passe?
Like intentionally shitty mspaint designs, streaming as an inanimate object with a mouth, etc.?

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I like ker design much better lol

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>>14155692
If we're just talking designs, I think Kenji's is more of a draw for a general audience visually-speaking since it's got such heavy "Shounen Protag" vibes. In all honesty his char. designer's other work is probably 1/100th of the level this one is, so they must've been in a really great headspace when designing it. The other one is nice and skillful as a piece of art in its own right, but the left has such strong appeal to all audiences.

>>14155640
Is there a reason you want that type of model?

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>>14155865
>Is there a reason you want that type of model?
I can't see my voice being a fit for any typical male animu character archetype

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>>14155953
You're better off picking something that isn't an anime character then. Most of the time a gimmick design like a talking hat or something are just that. Gimmicks. Your content is what matters most in the end but it helps having something that matches your voice, but it doesn't have to be an anime character.

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>>14155953
This didnt stop most vtubers
I guess it depends on what your priorities are but i think you should just be what or who you want to be

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is babiniku a debuff
not planning to use a voice changer or anything

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>>14157365
yes

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>>14157365
Yes and no. The model will get you initial attention, but you will most likely suffer those same people walking out after hearing you
if youre going the babi route it's probably best to try and make sure there's no confusion

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>>14157365
When it comes to clicking your stream or thumbnails from your videos, new viewers who have never heard of you are typically doing so for a few reasons.

They're pulled in by the thumbnail (design)
They're pulling in by the title (mainly applicable to youtube)
They're pulled in by the game you're playing.

If they like your design and it's female, they'll assume you are. If you aren't odds are they'll leave.

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>>14158274
I know a babi that specifically states they're male in their stream title and a good third of his viewers are still clueless

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>>14158518
Really doubtful they're clueless. I'm a babi that's also blatantly male and have had people call me "she" in what I can only assume is an attempt to be polite because they think I'm trans or that I'm "the character".

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>content is most important
>no one talks about what content IS

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>>14159242
bro just start like streaming bro it's that easy just do it dawg stop overthinking it homie just like stop talking and start making content fr no cap

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>>14155640
My turf got a talking tree leaf and a sunflower with McDonalds hat. These two are streaming regularly and doing well

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Is singing ability important? It seems to be important to a lot of people.

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>>14159242
In all honesty if you can't figure out that much on your own, what hope do you have of starting? I'm not even talking about making it big, just streaming or creating in general. You want to be a streamer, content creator, whatever you want to call it but you don't even know what it is you want to do besides "I log in, go live for 3 hours, and play games."?

>>14159628
For an org? Usually, yes. As an indie it's not really required.

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>>14159785
i see Ame log in and play minecraft for 3 hours and make money. what's different there? what is content supposed to be?

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>>14159628
"Important" only in the sense that having any skill/talent beyond playing vidya is a nice-to-have from a "complete package" point of view.
It also naturally follows (in 9/10 of cases source: just my opinion) that a person with a pleasant voice to listen to will tend to be a good singer and vice-versa, so chances are if you've got a good 'talking voice' you can probably sing well enough to garner praise.

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>>14159242
No problem, I got you answers.
The best way to summarize if "content" is valuable or not is if the viewer got something valuable for watching you, being the value the thing that you promised with your stream intent or video title. It is important that when your viewer leaves your video, theyre feeling better or learned something that they didnt before.
Examples are:
Your stream is titled "creating a red roof on Minecraft!". If the viewer gets there and this is what you are doing, and had fun while watching you do it, thus the content has value. The viewer joined your journey on doing that Red roof, and if you didnt finish, they might want to return to see you again to see the finished roof.
The OPPOSITE is if your stream is titled "Minecraft and Stuff!", and not even yourself knows why you opened the game to begin with. Fucking around with no context? So neither the viewer will know, from title or by watching you, why they would stick around. When and why will the stuff happen? So theres no value here.
As dumb as it sounds, value exists when theres purpose, context and clarity.

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>>14159830
If you don't understand content you're a failure before you've even begun and don't know what people find entertaining, much less how to entertain people while gaming or doing other activities.

Odds are you aren't a successful streamer who joined an extremely successful corporation as their first English branch with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of advertising put into it as well as a massive fanbase who offers free advertising as well.

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>>14159991
>if you're not already successful give up, you're a failure
gee thanks anon

>>14159909
thanks anon, i'll think about this

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>>14159628
>>14159785
>Enjoy singing
>Get enough "star of karaoke night"-level appraisal that I'd probably be able to lean into it in streams let's face it, many chuubas even in the corpos tend to be about this level of ability i.e. can pitch match and have average tone and have to take voice lessons or have heavily-produced songs to hide imperfections
>Live in an apartment with walls on both sides bordering neighbors
>Not extroverted/zero-fucks-given enough to be okay with belting songs out and getting a strange room from neighbors
i'm not normally too much of a "japan superior culture desu" weeb but man i envy their "just pretend you saw/heard nothing" behavior sometimes
i know this is all excusefagging but i guess i'm just a fucking loser in all possible ways and i'm ngmi

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>>14160115
I'm being realistic here. Why do you watch content creators. What do they do that you enjoy? If you don't even know that how can you ever hope to even begin doing what they do?

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>>14160145
you'e not ngmi just because you don't sing. go to the top down and you'll find tons of people who don't sing

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>>14159830
That's because she already built her journey doing >>14159909 ,enough to no need to worry about this anymore. Shes currently on the phase where the viewers are "What will ame do today"? Because she already did this and that, fans want to return, and they also did word of mouth. People need to use streams, specially on youtube, as ways to provide answers to search terms instead of using it like a social network. Theres no need to do tutorials all the time: things need context and intent, instead of just being posted for the sake of posting something.
Heres another example of a valuable stream with context and intent:
"Training Sagat combos for online pvp!". The audience knows that theyre about to watch a vtuber train combos, and will want to watch your stuff getting better or not, and seeing the results. The battles happen, vtuber wins and loses... And on the next Sagat stream? The audience will want to know if the vtuber improved, or decided to try a new character. What will happen next? Curiosity hits again, theres returning viewers... And thats how the things flow.
Now if you just go "playing SFV!". Ok, we got SFV here, but for what and why? Just doing random battles? This is where the vtuber can add their own touch, because playing just for the sake of playing or because its popular, its just shit

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>>14159830
when youve made it, you dont have to try any more
some people just watch where there are large crowds due to factors such as FOMO, even if they dont understand why there's so many people there to begin with

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>>14160550
>when youve made it, you dont have to try any more
i kinda don't give a shit about this? i want to know what content she made and what she did before to end up in a position like that because i want to end up like where she is at right now. i don't care if you think she's not trying. she's making more money just shitting around in minecraft than i do daily stocking shelves.

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>>14159628
a lot of people will be happy to see you putting your heart into a karaoke stream (see: ame, noel) that ability isn't a defining factor unless you're someone who wants to market themselves on being a singing chuuba

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>>14160634
She streamed. She was entertaining. She was very experienced with streaming in general and has a good deal of OBS knowledge from what I've seen, something a lot of longtime streamers don't even have. Then she got picked up by Hololive thanks to these things.

I know "just be entertaining" is very subjective, but you as a human being that's existing for this long should know what people find entertaining. Not trying to sound rude it's like you don't even know the first thing about streaming, content creation, or anything, like you've never seen a Youtube video or a stream before

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>>14161072
>like you've never seen a Youtube video or a stream before
i know what a fucking video is, but i don't know what makes someone's video monkeys get 450 viewers while Amelia's gets over 100.000 views.

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>>14161160
Amelia Watson belongs to a multi-million dollar company with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of advertising behind her and said company, as well as a massive fanbase. She's partially successful just due to being part of Hololive. How do you not understand this?

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>>14161160
Brock lesnar didnt start day 1 his wrestling career as the muscle freak he is today. Becoming a powerhouse takes time. Do you really think that if someone just go there doing this magic formula you get insta billions of views? As Vtubers grow, so will their channels. Growth takes time, and those who you invested in since your single digits will be the ones who will greatly celebrate your highs and victories. The empire state didnt just show up outta nowhere: a first stone had to be put first and given foundation.

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>>14161160
ame was around the 100-300 range before she got picked up i'm pretty sure; just being part of the first gen of a huge company is obviously gonna be a massive boost
on a smaller scale, but you can also look at cyber lumi as another example of this; she was pretty consistently in the 10-20s range for her streams in her previous incarnation but has significantly higher numbers due to the corporate backing giving her that exposure

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>>14161160
Pic related, but I'll play along in the off chance you're actually retarded:
Let's use singers as an example, since the thread was talking about it. Or fuck, musicians in general. Do you know how many 2listen artists are out there? How many soundcloud EDM producers, acoustic guitar youtube covers, etc., there are? There are so many examples of people who are just as, if not more, 'deserving' of attention for their ability than label-signed artists, if only for their raw ability... but skill doesn't equate to exposure. It's only once a talent scout happens across one of these people, or they are motivated enough to take the extra step and BE the ones who do the approaching and DGAF about fears of rejection, that they'll get noticed and signed.
Quite a few -- I'd wager the majority, desu -- corpo chuubas were (at best) a few-100-view streamers in their past lives. As >>14159991 said, yes, the reality is that a lot of legwork is done by their corporate exposure, but that's like, part of the deal - and in exchange, they are given rules, deadlines, limits, etc., that they have to abide by, but that's neither here nor there. There's nothing fundamentally different between Amelia and an indie with the same content, except publicity and marketing.
If you can't understand how much of an impact that makes, then there's really nothing more to explain.

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>>14161416
>How do you not understand this?
because you keep missing the fucking point of the question i'm asking. i don't care where she is NOW. i want to know what the content she made was back in the past that lead her to this point.

>>14161450
>Do you really think that if someone just go there doing this magic formula you get insta billions of views?
i don't think there is and it's unrealistic to think anything like that exists. but no one here other than the anon above has been able to provide a single answer to even START thinking about what content is. they keep missing the fucking point. the fuck is wrong with all of you?

>>14161510
>she was pretty consistently in the 10-20s range for her streams in her previous incarnation
why was she consistently 10-20s but suddenly jump after going corporate? did her content change? is it just the corporate backing?

>>14161532
>Do you know how many 2listen artists are out there?
i absolutely do not give a shit. i'm aware there are millions of people who want to do something but never make it. i want to know what CONTENT of the people who make it looks like and why they make it versus someone else who makes similar content but doesn't break through.

>If you can't understand how much of an impact that makes, then there's really nothing more to explain.
i'm aware that corporate is a buff. i don't care about that. i want to know what CONTENT i can and should make that lets me get into corporate. if you retards don't know just say you don't know instead of missing the point.

[Anonymous No.]

You clearly will always be a failure. Good luck, try not to waste too much time trying to be a streamer when you can't understand the most basic of concepts. You'll fail, never get anywhere, then realized all you did was waste time. Assuming this wasn't just bait to try and keep the thread going then you should probably not invest too much money, it'll only be waste.

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>>14161789
>try not to waste too much time trying to be a streamer when you can't understand the most basic of concepts.
post your numbers. i want to see what the numbers of someone who can understand the most basic of concepts looks like. shit on me all you want, i don't care. you're just an anon. but post your numbers.

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>14161711
If you've done any sort of DD, you'd see that in their past lives, pretty much every Holo had the same formula
>Play video games
>Give a running commentary on what they were doing in-game, what their intentions were
>Occasionally talk about funny or interesting off-topic stories
>When the opportunity allowed, and where applicable (decent-enough fanbase to have a full chat), interact here and there with chat, playing off of jokes they make, questions they ask, etc.
Some other anon already said it, but you're looking for some fucking magic bullet, but it doesn't exist. There are a handful of corpo talents with very explicit side gigs before their ascension (typically music-related, sometimes being skilled/accomplished fanartists), sure, but most of them... just played vidya and were charismatic. There's literally nothing more to explain than that.
No (You) for you

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>>14161711
notLumi was a pngtuber before she got picked up. She got a good model and god tier rigging from her company, but Cyberlive basically gave no exposure, since they up came from nothing. She was always going to make it though, just needed the assets.

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>>14161917
>but you're looking for some fucking magic bullet, but it doesn't exist.
no, i'm looking for a grading rubric or a metric to objectively compare what makes some content good and what makes other content not as good. i want to pull up two vods from two different chuubas and point out exactly why one has good content and why one doesn't have good content.

everything so far has just been "well you just gotta know it" which is not helpful at all.

>There are a handful of corpo talents
i don't care about corpos. i care about the content.

>>14161975
>She was always going to make it though, just needed the assets.
so there must have been something inherently good in her content that would lead her to making it eventually. i'd like to know how to measure that inherent good quality.

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>>14161842
This is how they look. Straight from the "Achievements" page, so they aren't skewed by raids or anything else.

>>14162024
She's a good singer. A good entertainer. A good speaker. She's witty. How can you not grasp these things? What makes anyone "watchable"? Why do you watch who you watch?

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>>14162230
>How can you not grasp these things? What makes anyone "watchable"? Why do you watch who you watch?
these are not quantifiable characteristics.
i'll keep in mind that streamers with numbers like yours are assholes who will shit on anyone trying to learn and not already successful.

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>>14162307
>these are not quantifiable characteristics
Yeah, entertainment rarely is. I'm not shitting on you because you're trying to learn, I'm shitting on you because you fail (or refuse?) to understand. Nothing in the information that you want is a "quantifiable characteristic". There's no magical cheat code, no special number. It's all interpersonal communication. If you don't understand the basics of "How To Communicate Like A human" how can you hope to entertain anyone?

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>>14161711
>>14162024
she fills in a unique niche in the strategy games she plays and did a lot of discussion on historical topics. despite people calling them "debuff games", there's definitely people interested in that kind of stuff that just aren't aware of vtubers beyond hololive and vshojo
it was really a matter of getting that exposure that let her shoot up; 4chan oil barons and ads also helped on that front
oh also her singing voice is incredible

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>>14162230
It's bait, my guy. If they're actually too thick to comprehend that 0views have the same fundamental content as 20Kviews, they're beyond help.
If you read between the lines (and take them seriously), what they're really asking is "how do I have more charisma". Like there's some particular personality trait they need to emulate to make it.
Since while I was typing this, he now is talking about "quantifiable characteristics" he is certifiably autistic (or acting quite well, keep that up and you'll make it buddy!) and thinks there's some checkbox you can tick off to be a likable person.

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>>14162307
If you need "quantifiable characteristics", you may be too autistic for this industry. Good luck, anon.

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>>14162378
>There's no magical cheat code, no special number. It's all interpersonal communication.
so this just becomes a numbers based luck game.

>>14162463
what are your numbers like anon?

[Anonymous No.]

Can you /asp/ies please stop sperging out so hard, it's Sunday night
Go back to hugboxing

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>>14162548
>ask for numbers
>if they're low "your advice is worthless"
>if they're high "you're an asshole big vtuber"

It isn't a numbers based luck game. It's a matter of being entertaining, having a stream that's nice on the eyes and ears, networking, and properly advertising your content. If you can do these things then you're more than likely able to succeed to some degree, but if you can't even grasp the simple concept of what content is or what makes someone entertaining despite the fact you more than likely consume content that entertains you, how can you hope to succeed at all?

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>>14162548
not either of those anons but i'm curious about your own numbers since that's the first thing you jump to when anyone else provides any sort of advice

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>>14162734
>>ask for numbers
>>if they're low
thanks for confirming what i had suspected.

>It isn't a numbers based luck game. It's a matter of being entertaining, having a stream that's nice on the eyes and ears, networking,
but then you say
>and properly advertising your content.
so it is a numbers based luck game.

>if you can't even grasp the simple concept of what content is or what makes someone entertaining
can you answer that question then, anon? how would you answer that question? what metrics would you use to determine why someone's content is more entertaining than another streamers? what exactly is it that you are using to compare the content?

>>14162769
>i'm curious about your own numbers
i don't have any because i haven't started yet. i saw some anon mention that you should ask for numbers whenever an /asp/ie suggests an idea to know where their perspective coems from.

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There's no point in arguing with someone this autistic. Even if I told you my numbers and you believed me, I don't think there's a way to help you. Seriously, best of luck, anon. But you won't make it with this attitude.

[Anonymous No.]

Fucking hell, it's been ten years and yet everything's still exactly the same...

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>>14163057
you are on asp and you think that you won't encounter someone like that fucking weirdo

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>>14163075
To be fair, that's pretty much the entirety of the entertainment industry. That's why there are so many copycats at the top. One person finds out something that works and they all copy the formula until the more creative ones come up with something new.

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>>14163106
Am I mistaken in thinking it's a daily tradition ITT? It feels like at least once every 24 hours there's some drama started by someone having an autistic tantrum, typically about how they came here for advice but then because [reasons] they don't like/don't accept/don't recognize the advice given, or discount it entirely because [excuse], then disappear.
If I were a betting man I'd almost guess its the same person coming back again and again. Or a blue-on-blue from an /asp/ie who wants to bump the thread in a particularly exciting manner.

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>>14163219
More like once a week. This past week I've seen the thread die even after multiple bumps later burger time zone. Auditions are all done, so what else do you expect?

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>>14163284
I mean asp is a good thread for getting yourself ready to self post on wvt without embarrassing yourself

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>>14163347
Or just sperg out from whatever's going above.

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>>14163106
I just stop by to give advice once in a while. Generally everyone here is great.

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>>14163426
I normally agree outside of the one or two fucking wacky individuals that come in and fuck shit up. Asp and wvt have helped me more than any other place for vtubers so far.

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I fucking swear to god it's the same schizo that came out a month ago talking about "content" and trying to measure it. I have the feeling >we had this exact same topic talked about before.

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>>14163608
I'm inclined to agree, there's no way that many people are that stupid to make that same argument day after day

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>>14163347
/asp/ - The resting place of 0views, neverstream-eds, and vtweeters
hold me bros WAGMI

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>>14163608
the typing style is very similar except that list time i asked them to post numbers they took a random sullygnome screenshot of someone in the 100 viewers range so it might be a different person or they're just going for a different angle

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>>14163770
>a random sullygnome screenshot of someone in the 100 viewers range
>how to make it
kek

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>>14162307
https://vocaroo.com/1kPdkhkoYWca

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>>14163949
Expected a more whiny mouth breathing voice but gave me a chuckle.

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>>14164022
sorry bromium chloride my bad
https://vocaroo.com/12CimAuHRPol

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@14162851
Someone once said vchanners are somehow even worse than vtweeters, and holy shit were they right you don't even deserve a (You)

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>>14164159
now that's some good shit right there

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>>14164214
i'm pretty sure that's the person who started throwing around the term vchanner in the first place

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>>14164254
soundpost for our future reference

[Anonymous No.]

Do riggers just rig from the reference sheet? If not, how do I go about actually finding someone to draw a model that will be put to use? Since as far as I know, artists need to separate things very specifically when making a VTuber model.

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>>14164446
Almost always no. Most riggers require your model to be separated into individual layers that have parts of your model that will move. For example, your hair might be separated into two layers like the front bangs and then the hair in the back. The rigger will move the two separately to give a sense of depth.

Rarely some riggers may charge extra for a service called "cutting" where they will slice up a flat image and make the layers themselves. The drawback is that the filled in areas and gaps won't always match the style of the original artist. A lot of it is up to the rigger's cutting skills.

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>>14164446
It specifically has to be layered for rigging. The only way you'd get straight from a ref sheet to a rigged model is having a dual-capability Rigger/Artist who draws and rigs their own art. The pro with that is that there's complete consistency, as being the person who rigs it up they know exactly how to put it together and may be able to sprinkle in little details that makes it that slightly better than separate artists and riggers; downside is they've probably got a year-long backlog and will probably cost more.
There ARE a set of conventions that chuuba model artists follow, though, and at the minimum they'll at least get the broadest strokes correct if only because it's become so routine by now.
>>>Reddit had a spreadsheet full of artists and riggers, along even with things like dashboard artists, BGM composers, etc. Don't have it to hand but you can find it on r/vtubing or some shit like that idfk google it.

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>>14164666
I see, thank you. So should I ask up front if an artist is willing to do a VTuber model? Or is there an easy way to filter those who specifically offer that service on Skeb?
>>14164871
Rigger artists sound like a good alternative. I'll look for some there later, thanks anon.

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>>14165022
>on Skeb?
Don't use Skeb to commission artists. You are prohibited from contacting the artist outside of the initial request. So if your rigger needs the artist to make any changes, you're competely out of luck.

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Before bed bump

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>>14165022
gonna echo what >>14165022 said; while skeb is good for like, fanart or even a ref sheet i would definitely not use it for your actual model
i'd just peruse fiver or twitter for a model artist unless you know a foreign artist by name that you want to comm

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>>14165022
you can look for artists you like on skeb and then go on their twitter and DM/Email them instead of requesting on skeb. I dmed an artist I liked and asked them if they accept Vtuber commissions and that's how I found my artist.

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one more bump

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are tomboyish designs a debuff? think mocca liebeskind but a bit less feminine with shorter hair.

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>>14173790
I forgot to add that I don't have a tomboy personality and my voice high for a girl, I just enjoy flat girls with short hair.

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>>14173790
>>14173826

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>>14173790
They are a buff, actually

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>>14165022
The skeb artist owns the rights to everything they draw on skeb

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>>14165022
>So should I ask up front if an artist is willing to do a VTuber model
Fiverr or direct commissions. Skeb is awful unless you can find an artist who you can trust, because no revisions and no direct contact. If they fuck up your comm (see Leta's cursed attempts to get lewd), you've got no recourse.

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>>14174762
Wasn't there some drama with some chuuba Projekt Melody, right? where the artist tried to retroactively flex ownership over the model or rigging or some shit and thus, they argued, that entitled them to some of her earnings after she got big?

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>>14174946
Dont use fiverr, it's full of scammers
Youre better off finding an artist off twitter or pixiv and contacting them directly through email to see if they would be willing to do a live2d model for you
(I've contacted 3 artists for this so far and it's worked out everytime)

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>>14174952
god, this was even before vshojo wasn't it
seems like forever ago but it was only a year

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>>14175020
Quite a bit before as memory serves. It was about the time she went from being exclusively a camwhore BTFOing Twitch thots and started streaming vidya, probably realizing that she could make just as much money because paypigs would still be just as thirsty and eager to throw her money whether she was intentionally lewding herself or not

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does anyone have that video of this indie who was having diarrhea on stream, her "model" was just a badly drawn doodle

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>>14174952
It was some drama between her and the 3D modeler/Character Designer who did way too much work to try and earn favor with her to join the company he works for. Morally he was a dickhead for doing it because he was just tilted she was shit to work with (Which is what other people who have worked with her on a professional, non-streaming level have vouched) but legally from what he and a lot of actual lawyers who chimed in said, their opinion was that he was either in the right and could keep LEGALLY DMCAing her until she was perma'd on Twitch (which wasn't his intent) or it was up in the air enough and not very in her favor that it would need to be settled in actual court.

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>>14174979
>(I've contacted 3 artists for this so far and it's worked out everytime)
Wait, are you saying you've done 3 live2d models? Were you headhunting for artists/modelers for friends who wanted to get into chuubing? Or are you saying you got three initial responses from artists and ended up ghosting 2 of them?

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>>14175173
2 models for myself and 1 for an acquaintance! Either way you should contact them directly, especially if you know theyve already done a model for someone else - then its just a matter of availability.

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>>14160145
if you think Japanese people don't complain about their neighbors singing you don't know shit about Japan.

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>>14175305
Prepare for an autistic battery of questions, if you'd be so kind (if not, no worries):
>1.) So kinda lost track of the chain of replies, but were these artists exclusively? Or artist+riggers? Or a mix of both?
>2.) Did you already have a ref sheet of any sort for them? I've played with the idea of commissioning a cheapo $15-20 D&D style character ref from an artist that may not necessarily be a Vtuber-oriented one, and then turn around and take it to a VT artist to actualize it in chuuba form
>3.) If you didn't have any prior artistic reference, how much of your character design(s) did you have to have written up/explained for them to make something of it?

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>>14175305
I had a question reply for you but maybe I wrote a bad word into it. Maybe it was the list format of my questions. Anyways, shorter version is: Did you have any references for them at all when you talked to them? If not, how much of a design idea did you have written up for them? I imagine they like having more concepts to integrate than not, but I'm just wondering how much crossed a bar of them being like "hmm okay I can make something out of this".

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>>14175950
>>14175617
what the fuck the post appeared now goddammit
okay well nevermind those are my questions thanks in advance also sorry to be such a needy whore if you don't wanna answer that's cool

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>>14149651
She literally grinded and focused on going outside of her comfort zone while being extremely consistent with her schedule.

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>>14160145
Sing in your car anon.

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>>14174762
You need to ask to buy the the full rights in your contact. Usually costs extra.

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>>14175617
1) Artists exclusively. There ARE artists that also do rigging, but riggers are in very high demand and youre most likely going to have to mix n match so to speak anyway.

2) For one i didn't have a ref sheet, they designed a character with me. A lot of artists do this but youre likely looking at an extra charge (~200+). You dont necessarily need one, but the more details the better since these ref sheets are essentially the blueprints.

3) For my first model it was literally a badly put together oc i made on stuff like koikatsu. For the second model i put together a detailed google doc full of references of stuff i wanted on the model, the character personality, backstory etc is all things your potential model mama can use to design your character as well.

Hope that helps even a little anon! Regarding jp artists you can also use a translator like DeepL and let them know beforehand that you are communicating with one (they will do the same).

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I am a little confused. What do I need to do to fully own my character? What do I say/contact the artist with to fully own rights. Do I need to do the same for the rigger? I know I need to pay extra to buy full rights.

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>>14177181
Confirm you have full rights and ownership of the character/art, and commercial rights.

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Is it normal to have a bunch of viewers but only few are talking? Or is it just my failure to provoke them into a conversation?

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>>14177965
Neverdebuted here, but surely that would be a sign of success? Like, you're engaging enough that people kick on your stream and let it play without feeling like they're not "getting" anything out of it unless they get the dopamine rush of "wow the streamer actually engaged with me!"
Just my interpretation.

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>>14177965
Depends. I was collabing with a dude on Saturday, and he ALWAYS has two streams, or one and his; to support friends. So it might just be friends lurking to boost your numbers (only matters when you're small).

But it's super normal to only have a %age of your viewers actively chatting at any one point.

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>>14177965
Very normal. On my fav channels I watch without writing anything so dont worry about it

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>>14177284
The question is how do I ask for them to be legally OK.

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>>14180324
"I just wanted to check, I know I've asked you to draw the reference sheet, but that I retain rights to owning the character"

It's not hard anon. Unless you make it as big as Melody, it's not going to be an issue.

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>>14180481
>Not already planning for having a multi-thousand-viewer audience and being concerned about the technicals behind it
NGMI
Nah but seriously, by the time you've started brushing up against the "you're getting big enough that the artist has noticed" level, you're probably receiving sufficient income from streaming exclusively that you can afford to redebut with a pro-tier artist

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>>14136186
Can I get a link to the public one?

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>>14182552
Do archive reps ffs.

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>>14182600
I already did and I couldn't find anything unless you want me to look through every discord link posted on /vt/? Why even bother typing this?

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>>14183137
Just fucking google "cadence harper vtuber discord". You can see the link in the first results on google

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>>14183420
Cool, you could've just said her discord is also the "public /asp/ discord”. Good luck making it with an attitude like that.

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>>14184444
not the original anon, I', just sick of people expecting to be spoonfed everything. You literally responded to a post saying "there's a public one run by Cadence Harper". You didn't take any time to open a second tab and look for this yourself.

If we were back in the far-off realm of 2005, I could see that opening a second instance of IE might be troublesome, but most browsers nowadays have tabs; and most people online aren't on dial-up.

Good luck making it if you need everything cutting into bite-size chunks and pre-chewing for you

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>>14184525
Literally, all that anon needed to do was look on her Twitter, couldn't get much easier.

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>>14157365
If you're starting out you'll start as a 0-view no matter what

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>>14157365
https://sullygnome.com/channel/jusagi_chan/30

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>>14184444
Ogey, Chickyflungo

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>>14184444
Waste of quads

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>>14163738
it's the tradition
/asp/ was created by an attention whore

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>>14192013
/auds/ created by terumi trapped forever at 20 views
/asp/cord created by spudz a never debut TBA
whatever is left of /asp/ now is just a bunch of bitterfags who lash out at everyone for not already knowing everything about streaming

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>>14192307
/auds/ was supposed to die a long time ago according to Terumi herself. The /asp/ stage is the one you are meant to grow out of. Sadly, this thread’s corpse keeps being rejuvenated

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God, you people are pathetic

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>>14194337
It's somewhat natural, anons who debuted and succeeded most likely moved over to /wvt/ or abandoned 4chan entirely, with only a few coming back to give advice to newbies. Anons who debuted and failed have no incentive to come back. Neverstreameds keep coming back to delude themselves into thinking they are gonna do it one day and they just need more preparation. Anons who are genuinely preparing dwindle by the day as they become part of the previous groups, and there are only so many people in this mongolian basket weaving forum.

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>>14194654
I mean, sometimes someone still says something insightful, but I feel like all the valuable things have already been said before multiple times.
Here’s to never seeing this thread again, mate.

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>>14194739
Goodbye bro, i'm most likely staying just in case someone needs technical advice

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>>14194654
I debuted a year ago, still a 2view too afraid to post on /wvt/ so I lurk here trying to find valuable advices

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>>14195243
Same, except it's only been like two months, i want to improve a bit before self-posting on /wvt/, you only get one first impression and i want it to be a good one

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>>14181673
Except the art isn't the only issue. It's the character design as a whole. You can get as much art as you want, but if the rights to the character belongs to someone else and they decide to be an asshole (which is a one in a million chance, most artists don't do this or even consider doing this) then it's an issue.

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>>14190734
While the debuff is real, linking one person who is failing as a streamer (yet still has amassed a good amount of money from people) isn't really great evidence when these exist.

https://twitter.com/PorcelainMaid
https://twitter.com/dot_lvl

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>>14195868
I would say that being a babi may turn some people off, but if you're a good streamer, it doesn't really matter. Choose a design you like and are comfortable inhabiting.

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>>14196039
It will turn most people off and absolutely be a debuff but any debuff can be fought through. I just think it's dumb that inexperienced, unsure people who are completely new to content creation and being a "personality" want to immediately go hard mode for basically no reason whatsoever.

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>>14157365
I always get disappointed when I see a male with a female avatar because I assume they're doing it for the views. I'd rather listen to voice changers or males with male avatars

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>>14196187
Some people just want to be a hot anime girl

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>>14196469
That's fine, I think most people's goal is success though, and typically making it overly hard for yourself for no real reason makes it hard to be successful

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>>14196167
Those are usually the people who sincerely believe in a male debuff, which is a NGMI mindset to begin with.

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>>14198918
I think this is even more debuff than a cute male model

[Anonymous No.]

>example of a babi that's making it
>no babi is debuff you're not gonna make it
content makes or breaks you as a streamer, not your model. stop focusing on shit that doesn't matter.

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>>14199596
>>14196167

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>>14199776
>It will turn most people off
https://sullygnome.com/channel/porcelainmaid/90
just because you repeat it a bunch of times doesn't make it true. you can say it turns most people off but he's got 360 average viewers in 90 days and inclining to 380 average viewers the past month. what are you numbers like seeing how confident you are making shit up?

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Joel is an exceptional streamer, an experienced artist, a great personality, and is top tier at networking and on top of that he's a very, very early adopter that has come up with some of the biggest indies and been given shoutouts and vouches from them.. He's playing with all stats maxed. While I do agree that content beats all, there are absolutely things that turn off a person.

Your content needs to be good but people also need a reason to stick around for your content. If your voice is bad they'll leave. If your audio is terrible, they'll leave. If the video quality is bad, they'll leave. If you don't talk, they'll leave. If you're annoying, they'll leave. Being a babi is another reason people leave.

Content is the most important, but your character is the reason people click any of your content in the first place. How can they know it's good if they've never heard of you and all they have to go on is how you look or the title of the video/text in the body of the tweet.

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>>14200235
>but your character is the reason people click any of your content in the first place
no it's not. stop repeating this retarded /asp/ie talking point. most people genuinely don't give a fuck. just because YOU do, anon, doesn't mean your personal tastes are indicative of the majority of audiences.

what are your numbers? are you doing better than he is right and know more about how the general audience on twitch makes decisions?

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>>14200235
to add to this, Basically what I'm getting at is that debuffs absolutely exist but they aren't the absolute. You won't fail just because you're a babi, but you'll struggle for no reason other than "I want an anime girl". People who succeed against odds typically have a lot going for them skill/personalist-wise. Do you? If not, why would you hold yourself back?

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>>14200315
>but your character is the reason people click any of your content in the first place
Tell me the reason people click any content, because minimal research will tell you that they go by visuals first, then title.

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>>14200394
>because minimal research
Show your research. Not your feeling. Not your personal tastes. Show me your research /asp/ie.

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>>14200420
Tell me exactly what format you want it in. Do you want articles? Do you want a youtube video about it? Because I don't want the goalpost moved suddenly because you don't like the source.

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>>14200525
A paper with citations to nonoriginal claims on a pastebin.

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>>14157365
>>14157564
>Yes and no. The model will get you initial attention, but you will most likely suffer those same people walking out after hearing you.
this isn't inherently bad. most will walk out but some could stick around that usually wouldn't have joined.
one issue with babis is that viewers who do look for males won't be joining the stream.
so being babi exposes you to a different audience that most likely will reject you, while alienating an audience that enjoys male vtubers.

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>>14200591
This paper better be about vtuber design with examples. Because I can already tell you're going to move goalposts to unrelated YouTube clickbait thumbnails.

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>>14200591
oh youre the "quantifiable characteristic" guy aren't you? nevermind then. not going out of my way for this as many creators have talked about (and continue to talk about) how important thumbnails are. google it because im not entertaining this. if you dont want to believe me then feel free to ignore it, but you'll never find anyone relevant saying anything to the contrary.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this even a topic for debate?

When a new Holo/Nijisanji/Over-Advertised or viral Indie (Artemis for example) debuts what initially happens? People rush to sub, follow, like, share, draw fanart, etc.

What drives these actions despite there being zero content available yet? The character design.

When the dust settles and everyone has had time to consume the different VTuber's content, what determines if they actually stay? The content.

Mr. Beast, Casey Neistat, Ludwig, Devin Nash, Harris Heller. They all stress the important of thumbnails. Your thumbnails draw them in, your content keeps them around.

[Anonymous No.]

exactly how does anyone ever expect to first acquire views when your model is a generic male in a hoodie.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWL_9MaaMy8ObTDPmVHemjA
oh wait

[Anonymous No.]

>>14201773
>barely a vroid
>male
>hoodie
>2 years
>youtube exclusive
every single viewer must have seen his design and got turned off by it. poor guy. never had a chance. no wonder he's stuck at 800,000 subs.

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>>14201773
>>14203053
Former VRChat streamer, he's gone through a good amount of models and rode the VRChat/VR wave early on and created meme content similar to Lolathon, which also allowed him access to other big VRChat streamers who in turn also featured his content in their videos and it just became this feedback loop.

He doesn't just walk around and do streams as a hoodie guy, most of his content that made him popular isn't achievable by your average beginner streamer because it requires a decent understand of 3D modeling, Unity visual scripting, and some knowledge that's practically exclusive to programming hobbyists and VRChat players. If you want to achieve what he has the way he has, you'd need to go back in time 2-3 years and be a VRChat streamer.

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>>14203313
almost as if CONTENT is what wins out in the end regardless of DESIGN.

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>>14203385
There's nothing wrong with his design. It's not bad, it's just a guy with a hoodie, which tons of popular Vtubers (and streamers) have been. Knowing him personally, his streamed content isn't the sole thing that got him his audience though, it was the timing (VRChat being as popular as it was) and way creating that specific form of content and the willingness to learn Unity and follow trends and farm memes.

He used to use a large amount of other avatars as well but when it comes to VRChat content no one cares because that's to be expected of the game. I don't think you need some high-level complex Iron Vertex, pro-Japanese-drawn and ultra inspired design and his primary audience (Koreans with about a 70/30 split of non-koreans) have about the same view on babis as JPs do.

The thing is, you (and most people here) don't have the artistic, networking, or personality that Joel has. You don't have the access to VRChat at it's prime in order to gain that base audience or the knowledge of unity and how it works with the game.

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>>14203385
i mean looking at this account >>14201773
it seems like thumbnails definitely win out ,hes got basic youtube 101 styled thumbnails and a bright, colorful shounen protaganist model

[Anonymous No.]

>>14203732
>it seems like thumbnails definitely win out
the point is you can have whatever design you want. clickbait thumbnails can be made even with a design that's nothing more than a male in a hoodie

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>>14203788
You know he rode the wave of extremely successful VRChat streamers and VRChat content, right? He's definitely a corner case. If you click one of his meme videos and there's no memes, will you stay? If you click a video about food and there's no food, will you stay? What about a video about videogames but there's no games? It's the same with vtubers. Even Joel has tweeted out complaining that his side is never clipped when it comes to collabs, and I've noticed it's true even when he's with smaller people. They pick the girl he's collabing with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14203788
i agree. if your content is exceptionally well made. most /asp/ies and /here/ chuubas arent exceptional and most of them flounder. i think in the best case scenario anything can happen but there are very few people who hit that best case scenario

[Anonymous No.]

>>14203959
>if your content is exceptionally well made. most /asp/ies and /here/ chuubas arent exceptional and most of them flounder.
then the best course of action is for /asp/ies to shop giving so much of a shit about their design and work on their content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14194337
I've kept this thread alive for months and it has, every so often, allowed some really great people to come out of this thread and while it's possible that they might have just started by being a /wvt/ poster, if it can motivate others to start streaming then I will keep creating threads.

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>>14204052
i get what you mean but i think the design is still an important part of a vtubers brand content because its the first thing people see. remember artemis? whyd people like them? their twitter vids and design. then their content sucked. isnt that alone a point towards what a nice design can do? you cant really deny that it gets eyes on you thats just how people work.

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>>14204180
>i get what you mean but i think the design is still an important part of a vtubers brand content because its the first thing people see.
why would you waste money on a designing something that will be associated with the brand "shitty streamer who is just starting"? this is why /asp/ recommends a png to start out. so you don't waste money on something that can be easily changed. rebranding and reincarnation happens all the time that is the benefit of being a chuuba.

you are so desperate to get clicks and views that you are focusing on something that doesn't matter. why would you want to waste time and money designing something that will get a click from a viewer only to have them click away after 30 seconds? are you that desperate to see meaningless clicks from non-sticky viewers that you'd waste time focusing on shit that doesn't matter? are you so sure that your content is garbage that the only way you'll get eyes is by baiting with a flashy design?

>you cant really deny that it gets eyes on you
what is the point if those eyes don't stick around?

[Anonymous No.]

>>14204330
im saying both matter. im not desperate to get clicks im happy with where i am now. youre acting like you need a design from a huge popular artist for it to be good, why are you going to such extremes? the design matters but it isnt the only thing

>you cant really deny that it gets eyes on you
>what is the point if those eyes don't stick around?
and what is it that gets them to click you in the first place? content and design both matter for different reasons. i wouldnt say theyre equally important as content matters more, but design is still a factor into why people look at you to begin with and there's no denying that. you need to work on both.

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>>14204330
>this is why /asp/ recommends a png to start out
forgot to address this but youcan still have a good design and be a png. it doesnt mean buy an $5k model

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>>14204612
>>14204647
>and what is it that gets them to click you in the first place?
why are you putting so much important on the first click without any regard to what happens next?

>you need to work on both.
you really don't.
Lzy Susan
started as a generic vroid, worked on improving her content first. now has a big following and sizeable numbers after growing steadily. if everyone thought like you, they would have seen a generic vroid and not given her the first click. stop putting so much importance on shit that doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14136186
Neaat

[Anonymous No.]

I dont believe theres a male debuff, but theres most definitely a female buff

[Anonymous No.]

Don’t meant to be spoon fed but I can’t seem to find a simple tutorial on making basic vtuber assets. I’m an artist, just want to make a simple overlay, is it literally just a png? Not sure if there’s any specific criteria to pay attention to when making assets/overlays for vtuber use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>14208588
>just want to make a simple overlay, is it literally just a png?
yup. it's that simple. if you plan to have things show through it make sure there's transparency. otherwise it's as simple as any other image.

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>>14208696
Good to know!
Thank you kindly

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>>14208588
If you’re not sure if it’ll look good boot up OBS and stick it in there yourself.

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Found this scrolling through my recommended
https://youtu.be/OFAum9rpdGM

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>>14213214
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aaaaaaiiiiiiieeeeee

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What are some vtubers that are all wacky and retarded but suddenly half break character and start talking seriously?
I started watching the don't start streaming until video and while I have three creators I want to emulate, one of them is from a political channel and I'm blanking on anyone that does this but it sounds like something I want to do.

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>>14224339
>What are some vtubers that are all wacky and retarded but suddenly half break character and start talking seriously?
that sounds incredibly specific and very based on context. i can't think of a single vtuber who does something remotely similar to that outside of maybe one or two isolated bits on stream when the context allows for it.

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>>14224426
What about regular, non-virtual streamers?
I do watch streams but I'm not an avid watcher of streams so I don't know.

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>>14224525
even including trad cam streamers, i can't think of anyone whose entire gimmick revolves around that.

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What are your thoughts on Twitch panel links when there are already links on the profile page?

Useful or redundant?

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>>14224867
majority of viewers are smoothbrain. make it as easy as possible for them. some look at links on profile, others want big shiny buttons.

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>>14224339
Pick streamers, not Youtubers. You want to be a streamer, so emulate other streamers.

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>>14225604
The ones I had in mind are all streamers.

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>>14226065
Then are you blanking on anyone else that does it? If the person who does it streams then you kinda know what to do. Seems pretty contextual though like the other anon said, not really something you can easily replicate.

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how good does my mic need to be? is this good enough? https://www.amazon.com/Neumann-87-Ai-Set-Microphone/dp/B00502CCXG

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>>14229154
even with an expensive mic you need to fiddle around with settings or an interface to tweak it
something cheap like a yeti is fine too desu but you need a filter

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>>14229154
yes you need a 3,000 dollar mic to be a vtuber. better order it asap

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>>14229154
I started out with a headset mic, upgraded to a $10 usb mic after a week, and ordered a $150 USB mic. It's a huge step-up each time in quality. Don't jump in and drop multiple thou on a top-end XLR set-up without checking you actually like streaming.

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>>14229550
>. Don't jump in and drop multiple thou on a top-end XLR set-up
> without checking you actually like streaming.
Or just don't do it at all. Zero streamers use a mic that expensive. Even the ASMR mics some people use top out at about 1500.