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14031101 No.14031101 [Reply] [Original]

Why do Holos need permission to collab with chuubas from different companies? Why can't Kiara tell Omega to go fuck himself and just call Pomu midstream? Everyone would side with her if she gets in trouble and it would make management look bad.

>> No.14031160

I'd imagine they have more serious options they could leverage such as taking a big cut of wages for the month, if not just denying her pay if she behaves too badly.

Not to mention if you get on their badside all the time and then want to do something that normally wouldn't be too risky, but they just don't fucking like you, they might start shooting down your plans and wants just on principle and put you in a box like what happened to Coco.

>> No.14031523

i'd also imagine the obvious, hololive being a black company opress their talents all the time, ghosting the girls asking for permissions, doesn't help them organize any events.

they cancel birthdays, and much worse. look what happened to mel and they just ghosted her the entire instead of dealing with the schizo manager, until another chuuba helped her.

>> No.14031589

>>14031101
to avoid another holo-caust

>> No.14031625

>>14031101
She'd be lucky to ever have another project of hers get accepted after that. We've seen with Coco how easy it is for management to cut you off. They can also just put her on indefinite suspension.

>> No.14031861

>>14031625
>>14031523
>>14031160
>talking with someone from a different company leads to management ghosting you or stopping your paychecks
People always clown on Nijis for having the lesser amount of views but damn they must appreciate the amount of freedom they get in comparison.

>> No.14031874

>>14031160
They wouldn't directly punish her for something like that but she'd be on their shitlist and get the cold shoulder anytime she wanted help with something.

>> No.14031887

>>14031101
If Kiara wants to be fired...

>> No.14031920

>>14031861
IDK man if my boss asked me if I wanted more money or more freedom I know which one I would pick and I wouldn't even have to think about it.

>> No.14031978

>>14031101
Based Omega for stopping idiotic Kiara from collabing with leeches

>> No.14032045

>>14031861
some niji girls even mod some indies or chubas from other companies so that they can see their messages in the chat more easily when they drop by to hang out. has that ever happened for holo? i honestly don't remember, maybe for the ones that already collabed with them, like milky or idk, pikamee. also I imagine niji asking for collabs is more about of availability than anything else, unless it's with holo ofc.

>> No.14032114

>>14031861
>He expects freedom when signing a contract.
The JPs can't interact with an entire section of their own company, but in turn more than a few earn a lot of money. If you could make a lot of money and all you had to do was not talk to some people you'd probably take it too.

>> No.14032339

>>14031920
You and the Hololive girls aren't in the same positions. For you management mostly dictates what you should be doing, for them it is a tool to make their loves easier so they can focus on other things. They are entertainers, and management is getting in the way of their work. Constantly shooting down their work or being lethargic at best with game permissions takes a toll on a person.

>> No.14032429

>>14031101
>yet another beggar thread

>> No.14032459

>>14031101
JP Holos can collab with girls outside Hololive.

>> No.14032608

>>14031101
>Why can't Kiara tell Omega to go fuck himself and just call Pomu midstream?
He could just cut the stream, lock her out of all her accounts, take over her Twitter to announce that it actually went down because of internet problems, put her on unpaid suspension for a month, and threaten to fire her if she ever tells the truth.

Why don't I just tell my boss to go fuck himself and invite a friend from a direct competitor into one of our calls? Because I care about my goddamn career.

>> No.14032696

>>14032339
So does being broke. Game permissions suck, but no one is immune from it, Niji ENs complain about getting ghosted by western companies all the time. 80% of Holo EN don't even care about collabing with outsiders in the first place, so it's a total non-issue for them. The few that do care have made their peace with it, and they're the highest earners so obviously they really appreciate the opportunity to make money where they're at.

>> No.14032825

>>14031101
Because if any of the two are playing or promoting something, even something minuscule like a link in the description, since they're companies, they usually require some sort of agreement or contract to stream it. Bringing uninvited people could cause a breach of contract in the eyes of investors, advertisers, game companies, etc. So they have to clear everything before.

It's like people in this board have never worked.

>> No.14032889

>>14031101
Are you 15?

>> No.14033081

>>14032608
You're giving this fucker way too much credit, not to mention you tribalfags are the only ones that see nijisanji vs hololive as a harsh competition like the console wars in the 90s, literally all the girls in other branches respects likes to collab with the other company, hell matsuri has a lot of oshis from nijisanji

>> No.14033266

>>14031101
Remember that "big" Garry's Mod collab?

>> No.14033337

because they wont earn monies by giving free subs to other lowly EN companies

>> No.14033386

>>14033081
Yes, people in the same industry tend to be friends. But they're different organizations trying to win over the same market. That makes them competitors.

That's not tribalism. I didn't say a damn thing about what I watch. It's just the objective reality of the business side of this.

>> No.14033452

Western corporate vtubers need to be kept on a short leash by management, less they garner too much attention from dramaheads on twitter

>> No.14033587

>>14033386
Keyword harsh competition
I know they are getting profit from the same market so yeah, they are by definition competitors, but I'm so talking about how some of y'all act like they're trying to destroy one another when in reality it amounts to a friendly rivalry

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>>14032608
>invite a friend from a direct competitor into one of our calls?
You know this argument would be on point if it wasn't for the fact that Niji and Holo's JP branches collabed with eachother multiple times. It's literally just Omega being a salty competitive bitch.

>> No.14033820

>>14033690
JP and ID vtuber communities are naturally more connected and friendly with one another. It shouldn't really be a surprise that when you try to export something to the west it loses a good chunk of the soul and atmosphere.

>> No.14033937

>>14031101
you are either too young for a job or a neet, either way the answer is to get a job.

>> No.14033969

Why can't Nijis be happy with what they got instead of begging for collaborations?

>> No.14033971

>>14033587
>Keyword harsh competition
You said that, not me. Don't try lump me in with shit I never said just so you can make an ad hominem argument against me.

>> No.14034139

>>14033690
I don't even think it's Omega. Ollie and Selen even announced a collab and it was nixed at the last second.

>> No.14034185

>>14033690
Marvel and DC do crossovers sometimes. Coke and Pepsi had an agreement for a while where they could use the other in advertisements. I count at least 5 different Microsoft IP represented in Smash.

Companies in direct competition sometimes make deals to cross-promote if their management decide that it's mutually beneficial. But that's decided by management, and it's not the norm.

>> No.14034379

>>14031101
>why do rules exist? Why don't people just do whatever?
Spot the underageb&

>> No.14034712

>>14031920
>IDK man if my boss asked me if I wanted more money or more freedom I know which one I would pick and I wouldn't even have to think about it.
Which is fair I think. It just depends which field you're working in and in which position. Money is an easy way to get people to do more work or do X as your boss demands, but the more creativity your work requires and the more creative *you* want to be, the lesser effective money becomes as a motivational tool. At a certain point, setting too many boundaries will either kill the drive for creativity or will just straight up scare away the people.
Bigger companies will often bend themself backwards to keep their good people happy with all kinds of seemingly ridiculous shit and leave them a lot of freedom in their work, but it's what keeps them.

If doing whatever you feel like is your main motive, then adding a few more numbers on your paycheck simply won't cut it.

>> No.14035125

>>14031101
Nijibeggar is at it again

>> No.14035417
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You guys are fucking retarded if you are still blaming Omega/EN management. If you used that half of brain you got, you'd know it's NijiEN management but of course you just want to keep seething about the whole trannyomega.
Talk about rent fucking free.

>> No.14038481

>>14032696
The Holo girls aren't broke, they can easily coast on what ever they have to cover living expenses for a year. The longer the Holo EN girls don't leverage their power the less power they have. Coco didn't have power since there were already plenty of Hololive talents. Losing one or two girls before Council is HUGE. Do you think Cover will immediately replace them? No they already have a forecast in when they will introduce generations. They are lucky most of them are early 20's to mid 20's women because most don't actually leverage their power compared to older people that have been around longer, know the position they are in, and in general will put up with less bullshit. As long as with eleven people are unable to consistently fill up most of NA time slots, the most productive will have leverage. Mori can have insane leverage, and is probably the one that got a lot of those collabs through with Nyanners for Kiara and of course Trash Taste.

>> No.14038818

>>14035417
You can stop sucking his cock now

>> No.14038894

>>14035417
NijiEN tranny thread, please understand

>> No.14039177

>>14038818
no, it's small and comfy to suck on. plus there's a pussy behind the balls.

>> No.14039211

>>14031101
HoloJP + NijiJP collab = okay
HoloID + NijiID collab = okay
HoloEN + VShojo = okay
HoloEN + anitubers = okay
NijiEN + HoloEN = not okay
NijiEN + HoloID = not okay

I don't know OP, looks like Nijisanji is the problem here.

>> No.14039666

>Holocope still trying to push the blame on NijiEN.
Weird that this is the one time they don't want to brag about blocking collabs with lesser talents. It's the perfect opportunity.

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>>14035417
>>14034139
>Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake
Guys stop, I want the producer to keep being used as bait so we can spot newfags easier.

>> No.14039788

>>14031160
mmmm black company

>> No.14039826

>>14039211
>HoloEN + VShojo = okay
That got canned

>> No.14040528

>>14039666
>>14038894
>>14035417

>> No.14041928

>>14039736
you're the newfag
kys
ratio
sage
/thread

>> No.14042003

>>14041928
How old?

>> No.14042135

>>14042003
cope dilate seethe have sex touch grass

>> No.14042245

>>14042003
>used "ratio" in any capacity
12 at the oldest.

>> No.14043068

>>14032608
i mean if kiara joined pomus stream they cant really do anything about it other then contacting pomus manager to shut it down.
and at this point they cant actually threaten firing because her job is high enough profile that people can easily stop wanting to support your company, thats why its likely management was pushing coco out instead of actually firing her, that way they dont have to deal with the consequences of the action.
vt may hate kiara but theyll hate the idea of actually firing her for something like that since that means the girls they do like are just as much in danger of being fired.

>> No.14043655

>>14043068
You don't seem to realize how many members Hololive has at this point. No single one of them could leave with their entire audience and hurt Cover's bottom line.

The only one they'd ever hesitate to fire for repeated breaches of contract is Fubuki, and that's just because of how much influence she has over the rest of the talent; not her audience.

>> No.14043714

>>14031101
>he unironically thinks that managers are for show

>> No.14044720

>>14031101
I'm starting to believe the rrat that NijiEN is blocking it, not Cover.
>can collab with random indies like RPR, Milky Queen, Pikamee, etc.
>can even collab with fucking Vshoujo, albeit in a limited manner
>fucking Connor and Trash Taste is fine
>HoloJP can collab with NijiJP just fine, HoloID can collab with NijiID just fine

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kOj9RfA97A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yejq__1Uaf8
No seriously, Ollie alone has collab'd with Vshoujo, Nijisanji and indies in the last month, and Mori has put out three songs with her indie friends in the same timeframe too. Why would they suddenly put their foot down about Nijisanji EN?

>> No.14044916

>>14044720
Oh yeah, Pomu seems to have a menhara attack once a week since "management" stopped their collab, while Kiara was disappointed but fine otherwise. Wouldn't that suggest it's on NijiEN's side instead?

>> No.14045295

>>14044720
But Selen is literally friends with RPR and collabed plenty with him, and NijiEN (sadly) collabed with Vshoujo and Pikamee, as well as Offline TV and random indies like Shxtou.

>> No.14045357

Pomu beggars are really fucking obnoxious.

>> No.14045527

>>14031874
You mean like they're already doing?

>> No.14049124

>>14032045
yea, pochi and some others

>> No.14049554

>>14034185
i want sierra mist to graduate

>> No.14050407

>>14031920
Because everyone is bending over backwards for soulless call center jobs that pay well, but treat employees like shit.

>> No.14050677

>>14032825
Idk why you used three different words when you could have used the catch all kikes

>> No.14050683

>>14039826
pretty sure Mori x Ironmouse and Kiara x Nyanners still happened

>> No.14050776

>>14045295
It's almost like his point is that the blocking of any NIjiEN to Holo interactions is in the Niji side for management and not in the Holo side.

>> No.14050887

I'm not a fan of Omega but lowkey is a genius and responsible for EN success, and would probably be very successful vtuber they/themself.

>> No.14050903

>>14044720
>Pikamee and RPR are random indies
NijiEN is the one that collabs with random indies. For all we know Hololive blocked Pomu and Kiara while Nijisanji blocked Selen and Ollie. There's too much that we simply don't know, but looking at the collab history for both branches tells you that one is much looser than the other.

>> No.14051123

>>14044720
But why would they block them? Nijisanji has no incentive to do that. Plus Nijisanji JP and ID collab with Hololive pretty often

>> No.14051244

>>14041928
>ratio
Go back to twitter faggot

>> No.14051402

>>14051123
This is the one reason I can't believe the rrat that Niji blocked. Hololive blocking makes sense since they want to keep a grip on the EN market, and we know very well that Ollie is EN 1.5. Has she collabed with any EN indies?

>> No.14051572

>>14050776
I don't understand considering both Holo and Niji have no problems other than EN x EN for some reason, why is it the problem of one side.

>> No.14051832

>>14051572
Did you ignore the Ollie x Selen Collab being cancelled like twice now?

>> No.14052564

>>14051832
But who's fault is that. Selen and Ollie collabed with RPR and american ecelebs before.

>> No.14052632

>>14052564
Which company is know for walling themselves in because they fear the other company steal their viewers?

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>>14031101
>collabo onegak holosista~
>purisu saivu muh engrish beranchi

>> No.14052760

>>14031101
>why don't we encourage Kiara to go rogue and just disobey management, seniority, and cause trouble for all of her senpais like a Western whore?
EN was a mistake.

>> No.14052808

>>14052564
Memes and rrats aside we simply don't know. As you can see it's resulted in a lot of finger pointing.

>> No.14053016

>>14052632
Except this doesn't make fucking sense because I just listed that they both have collaborated with "outsiders".

>> No.14053486

>>14031861
Anon, that's just onstream. Nothing, absolutely nothing, stops Kiara from hanging out with whoever the fuck she wants off-stream. That's dumb.
If she wants to go get Pomu'ed on the daily by the fucking fairy, it's on her, management just dictates to not bring that shit on stream.

>> No.14053542

>>14053486
He's just a thread reader anyway because Pomu and Kiara have mentioned that they talk on Discord.

>> No.14053933

>>14044720
You do realize that Selen has collabed with more people outside of Nijisanji than anyone in HoloEN right? Not to mention the huge Crab Game collab with 30 different people.

>> No.14054482

>>14043655
Hololive has an image of being one big happy family. They did a lot of damage control during Coco's graduation and bent over backwards to keep that image intact. Once one person leaves on bad terms after a big drama, it will forever change how the viewers see the company.

>> No.14054728

>>14043655
>not her audience
Lol. You know how she said that the fans can be rest easy until she's with the company because she would leave if it turns into a black one? That was the bait, right there. She's fully in on it with yagoo, the chinks, she's part owner of the company, so of course she wants you to believe everything is shiny just because she's there.

>> No.14054784

>>14039211
I mean sure, if you're stupid

>> No.14059163

>>14039211
>niji mgt is the one banning collabs
Stop parrotting obvious lies

>> No.14059604

>>14031101
Reading this thread and everyone's points got me thinking, maybe the problem isn't the companys but instead just EN branch as a whole
Both companies can collab with anitubers, both conpanies can collab with irl people like RPR, both can collab with vshojo, both can collab with indies, and both companies let collab with the other company but it's solely nine and holoen that can't

>> No.14059655

>>14059604
And Holoen is the only branch that we know of having a bad manager that could be the cause.

>> No.14059716

>>14032045
Kiara moded Momo Jelly

>> No.14059899

Once upon a time, Holo used to streaming whatever they wanted without asking permission. And they all monetized BAN.

Nijisanji laughed at it (Niji had better numbers back then)
Niji who was laughing at it was also banned.

So that's what happened.

>> No.14063710

>>14059655
Is it tho?

>> No.14064045

>>14043714
It's the Cover way please understand

>> No.14064161

>>14031101
>can't Kiara tell Omega to go fuck himself
I assume she'd like to remain employed.

>> No.14064235

>>14033266
Thats because of vshojo
They didnt know garry's mod full of copyrighted shit

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