/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

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Was it foreshadowing for the dangers of GFE? How many real life relationships do you think vtubers have ruined

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>>13294600
>implying people who watch GFE vtubers have girlfriends

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what it predicted was a fuckin banging teddyloid soundtrack
anything more by him when?
haven't heard of him in forever

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>>13294600
I never understood what was this about...

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>>13295453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-V0EHF30rk

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>>13295453
He's been doing music for Kizuna and nijisanji like wave 1's song. I don't see him in Holocircles though, probably he's deep in china's pockets

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>>13294600
Shock value visual garbage only good for the music. The message itself is retarded
>let us warn NEET and losers about the risk of porn!!!!!
>MC had a gf by the way
If you're going to target an audience unironically do your fucking reps

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>>13294600
Nah it foreshadows that kiara always narcistic

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>>13294707
Im sure plenty of married men do, like myself

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>>13295863
extremely filtered
like 5 years after the fact

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>>13294600
ruined mine, ask me anything

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>>13296036
unless she stopped offering you sex why would you chose 2d over 3d

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>>13296031
t. missed the point

>inaposter
Of fucking course

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>>13294707
Provenly untrue, there are a bunch of people watching chuubas only for entertainment or to escape the mundane reality of their failing relationships. GFE hits you different when you've been stuck with the same frigid hawk-ass looking hag for god knows how many years. Being in a relationship doesn't guarantee happiness or fulfilment

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>>13294600
>implying is the cause and not a symptom

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>>13294600
It ruined my friendships, my acquaintances, any ties I have to my family, but at least I have my one true love by my side.

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>>13296194
she moved across the country for a job and we still had 10 months on the lease. Found myself rather watching my oshi instead of listening to her bitch on video call for 3+ hours about how lonely she was

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>>13296232
>'the main character in our story can't be deeply unhappy'
>'he's in a RELATIONSHIP'

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>>13296319
>Being in a relationship doesn't guarantee happiness or fulfilment
Heck, my anecdotal experiences tell me it almost always results in depression at some point. But most normalfags are a slave to human desire to not be alone and thus choose to torment themselves for that brief period of happiness they apparently get.
Extremely happy I am a turbo introvert that decided in early high school that I didn't want anything to do with 3DPD. Watching my few real life friends become emotional wrecks because of their relationships does not make it look appealing at all either.

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>>13296413
The message of the entire thing is literally pic related.

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>>13295863
anon i feel like the point wasnt about porn, it was about waifu culture.
the guy had a relationship and lost it at some point for some reason and then buried himself in gunpla and waifus.
gfe is just an extention of that culture but instead of fictional women, its real ones with fictional personas based off themselves

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>>13296690
Too literal. The video is just a visual metaphor for the cyclical nature of escapism and self loathing. There is no plot or history to the characters. They aren't really characters. The main emphasis is that the song bumps.

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>>13294600
This is why we need BFE, if we have BFE it cancels out the GFE

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>>13296690
There are things called "metaphors" and "symbolism"

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>>13296319
>escape the mundane reality of their failing relationships
shit anon.. i might have to break it up

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>>13296853
BFE exists you're just not a woman so you can't pick up on the subtle hints.

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>>13294600
I'm more curious about how conflicted the vtubers themselves are about this. yeah I know they talk about how they talk about how it's all worth it if they're making someone's day better, but that isn't the full picture when they're effectively barred from talking about any negative influence they bring.
like the pub can be a good time and whatever other drug can be a reliable comfort during hard times, but that's obviously not the only effect those drugs have on people.

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>>13296507
This meme only applies to the well to do middle class and up guys who have genuinely good lives. These are the people (((therapy))) is for. The message of MEMEME is effectively that if at first you did succeed, don't fall into the trap of thinking you can't succeed again.

When you don't have friends, credentials, decent enough looks to get a decent gal, or enough money to afford to feed and clean up after a vomit dispenser, the mv is just a bitter reminder that there are people in this world who take for granted and piss away the good fortune some people would kill to have. It's actually a reason to be even more demotivated.

>>13296895
Truly terrifying.

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>>13297366
The people who should be struggling with this are like rushia and ame who actually lean into the GFE thing. Everyone else is just an entertainer and aren't guilty when some weirdo falls in love with them, that's his problem. For the GFE streamers, the mental damage they take is punishment enough. Obviously this isn't good for anyone involved.

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>>13297366
It's hard to balance it when it's also your livelihood

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>>13297408
This MEMEME is a warning to sad Chads to not become like most of us. We're too far gone.

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>>13297408
Its easier to save people on the edge rather than rescue people deep in the shit, its just human nature

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If I wanted gfe I'd be playing VNs instead

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>>13295774
What a shell of his past glory. He's just a one-hit wonder, huh?

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>>13294707
but it's definitely preventing people from getting one in the first place.

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>>13294600
It forshadowed him fucking underage con attendees

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>>13296895
What's her Twitter? Is she the same person who made Shien altar?

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>>13297439
that line is more blurred when the entertainment is primarily their own lives, not anything specific they are doing. the fact that they're allowed if not encouraged to talk about family and (female) friends but anything approaching a relationship is taboo is indicative of the reality of the industry, and I doubt that's lost on them.

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>>13294600
>ruined

healed

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>>13296407
based

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>>13298073
No but this one deleted the pic or locked her account, it left my bookmarks.

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>>13294600
My current boyfriend of 7 years is pretty much okay with it. In his mind it's no different then when someone is in a relationship and watches porn.

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>>13294707
Most of the people on this board have clearly never socialized to any great extent anywhere. I really feel the zoomer energy from a generation raised by fucking iphones.

>>13296031
It came out 7 years ago.

>>13296413
This board is full of underage losers that think a relationship is the pinnacle of existence.

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this website is a cesspit of some of the most misanthropic shit you can find anywhere but everyone suddenly becomes a carefag when GFE gets brought up
>b-but anon, GFE is cringe and bad for you! it's p-parasocial!!!
Kill yourselves and leave me to my blissfull illusions.

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>>13294600
The nipponese have been dealing with this kind of stuff ever since anime was invented
There was never any foreshadowing it was targeting a very real problem they've been facing for the past 30 years that has only gotten worse

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don't know
don't care
kiara sex

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I was always the kind of weeb that made fun of waifu dorks, and when I started watching vtubers I thought the whole oshi shit was cringe, I just started out for entertainment. But as things went along I have totally fallen into the GFE thing.
But it's just reminded me of past relationships in my life and how I haven't had a real one in so long. Only after falling for the whole GFE thing have I started working out and eating better, trying to be more social with women again and things have been getting better.
Before I had given up on relationships, I tried to just ignore the idea of them. But now after getting a poor, one-sided simulation of one, I'm actively trying to get the real thing again.

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>>13301056
Fuck I love watching movies I would usually hate but enjoying them because I'm watching them with her while she enjoys them.

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>>13294600
>yet another piece of media that shits on males for not being Chads and treat roasties like goddesses
Has there ever been a work on the past decade that had criticism towards roasties?

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>>13300684
>everyone suddenly becomes a carefag when GFE gets brought up
because we know that being reminded that you have let yourself down is what hurts the most.

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>>13301056
this guy gets it
who cares
if she's sex just sex

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>>13301056
Kfp is actually a cult, i don't know if that's better than baiting romantically starved men though

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>>13294600
There's just something soothing about hearing an anime girl talk and have fun

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>>13294600
Picrel is too perfect for me so she won't replace my current GF, but will give me something that I'd never had otherwise.
Shizos would destroy their lives over literally anything not even like drugs, video games, or gamble but being too hooked up with some hobby, religion or work.
It depends if you are retard or not

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>>13301797
good thing shizos and retards are this website's primary demographic.

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>>13300956
I'd argue that the situation has changed just because of how much more severe the toll is, back in anime days unless you picked a romanitic waifu you were limited. Now that there are real (2d) girls you can support and talk to and they even personally talk back and respond? I wouldnt be surprised if the waifu markets crash and animation studios realize they need to make something other than waifu bait to survive in the industry

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>>13302126
>the waifu markets crash
Women, virtual or not, will never be obsolete. Rather than the waifu market crashing, it will only accelerate from there.

>animation studios
I'd say it depends. Low and cheap quality animations might get flooded, but on the other hand it also means that traditional and overall niche animations might become a luxury, with the price that comes with it so it's probably not going to die anytime soon either.

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>>13296507
I literally have NOTHING of these things

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>>13296474
>>13294600
E-dating ruined more real life relationships, I rather flirt and pursue someone in another country or state while get someone near me. I still hope to this day he messages me back but it's unlikely

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>>13294600
I've never had one to lost

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>>13303358
Imagine a situation where each vtuber entertains 100 guys, and each of them spends 1% of their pre-tax income on her. We could have 40 million vtubers, each with decent income. Your entertainer gets boring - just drop her, maybe switch to another. Need some space - just don't show-up. No longer having a screeching harpy as your housemate, that was previously pretending to be a loving wife. You get to keep the house, no kids, all your spare time is yours.
What about the 4 billion remaining roasties? Who the fuck cares. Men are currently in that situation, as expendable fodder.

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>>13294707
I'm curious to know how many others are in a situation like mine. I've had girlfriends in the past but coincidentally found vtubers in the longest stretch of time I've been single since I started dating girls; I've now been single for close to three years. I had already decided before getting into a GFE streamer that I didn't want to date anyone for at least five years, so I don't really see my situation as anything to be sad about.

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>>13294600
Nah, I could never even sympathize with this video, it implies you where somehow successful before the internet addiction.

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>>13297638
That is the thing, it isn't. Far form being the cause it's simply a symptom of other societal issues. I'm not going to deny it's a coping mechianism, but that is the extent of it's influence it lets people cope with their shitty live and lack of social interaction they already have.
If it isn't vtubers its porn, if it isnt porn it's video games, if it isn't videogames is anime, if it isn't anime it's movies.
The truth is there is something seriously wrong going on with men in general, young men especially, in todays society.

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>>13312972
Most guys are too stupid to see the pattern even after 4 times of being divorce-raped. All movies/manga/songs show the joy of starting to date. Few of them show the reality that happens 3 months and then 3 years afterwards. You have to get hurt to realize that the juice isn't worth the squeeze, and that 3DPD isn't just a meme.
You know those cringe-memories you remember before going to sleep, of you doing something autistic and pushing away someone? I actually smile and thank my luck, because I'd likely have ended-up like all my colleagues. They work unpaid overtime in order to stay away from their quarrelling wife and kids for longer.

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>>13301317
I am in love Crunchy Roll!

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Here's a glimpse of post-marriage reality. Pardon the reddit faggotry; and it's only 300k subbed people so you may think it's biased.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeadBedrooms/comments/qy4974/anyone_else_just_lonely_as_fuck/

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>>13294707
I mean, I have one. but they're kinda more different than similar, and I feel like I speak for most guys in this matter.
It's GFEs/anime for emotional shit, and 3DPD for the physical and social, they scratch totally different itches.
If I'm feeling like shit or anxious or depressed or something, I'll go watch Nene, but if I just want someone warm to cuddle and go to dinner with, I'll call the girlfriend.
And, you know, I don't want to be 40 and single in the future, stuck as a bachelor until I die, so it's kind of futureproofing in a sense?
The fact that guys prefer GFE really speaks volumes to how completely unavailable women are for their partners though. oh well

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>>13314767
>post-marriage reality
Those are just shit people, and them being reddit users only reinforces that "reality".
I really don't understand why you people always try to dismiss marriage as being a bad bitch by forwarding the shit experience of shit people. Some people have been married since their 18s and are still in love at 60, they are just not busy posting on reddit.

>>13315106
>The fact that guys prefer GFE really speaks volumes to how completely unavailable women are for their partners
Or maybe they need to get a better gf.

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>>13315352
> oh no its sjut the bad apples
Divorce, despite being incredibly expensive and soul crushing (many time leading not only to financial ruin, but suicide) happens to half of all marriages.

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>>13315414
> oh no its sjut the bad apples
Yes, literally. You being right about divorce being shit doesn't change that fact.

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>>13313798
I don't really feel that way about it. The way I see it, I can find the relationship that I feel I am deserved once I am a person worthy of that relationship, so the onus is on me to self-improve until then.
I do cringe at myself for having done embarrassing things around other people in the past, but who doesn't? I can't bring myself to be as pessimistic as you; I think you just coincidentally work around several unhappily married people.

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>>13295453
His only good song. Guy seems like a grifter trying to recapture his past glory.

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>>13315479
If the "bad apples" make than half the pot, (and that is for marriage, you know the thing that isn't supposed to end in a couple of months/years like dating) I think there is a problem with the whole thing and ratter not engage in it.
If your car has 50/50 chance of kill you or leave your crippled in the sidewalk you wouldn't drive it.

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>>13295453
>what it predicted was a fuckin banging teddyloid soundtrack
>MeMeMe was 2014
>Panty and Stocking was 2010
>predicted

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>>13315414
>Divorce, despite being incredibly expensive and soul crushing
divorce doesn't necessarily mean a messy break up, the vast majority don't go to court. that's just an availability bias as you don't see amicable divorces on television kicking up a drama or talked about on social media.
people can just grow apart and want different things in a life partner. like the kids you spent all of your time with in grade school probably aren't the same people you want to hang out when you start your professional life. doesn't mean anybody is at fault or there has to be a fight about it.

>>13314767
>/r/DeadBedrooms
you've got other issues if you don't see the problem with going onto an obviously biased source to confirm your worldview, and then thinking it's a convincing argument for people outside it.

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>>13294707
There are some but its by far a minority.

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>>13297638
No its not. The men more likely to fall for gfe is not the type of men who was gonna find love irl.

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>>13315795
There are no problems here, shit people will make shit decisions nothing new. I think what you're underestimating here is how many shit people there are out there.
Yes they make more than half the pot. Real life is unfortunately not balanced at all, and I'm sure that's something you're already aware of. I didn't make the rules, that's just how the world is.

Your car analogy is a bad one because again cars are not the things killing people but retarded drivers, or walkers, are. Think about it, we have all means of rules and signalization to prevent accidents. Except for some rare exceptions whenever an accident happens it's because someone was being stupid.

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>>13315588
>The way I see it, I can find the relationship that I feel I am deserved once I am a person worthy of that relationship, so the onus is on me to self-improve until then.
I don't mean to sound disparaging but that is absolutely retarded. Relahsinship is a two way street, no matter how much you do or put forward it means nothing unless the other party also is willing to do the same. You could be the grates catch, the best men in the world, it doesn't mean you will find the best women in the world, you might even not find a good one.

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>>13316003
>divorce doesn't necessarily mean a messy break up, the vast majority don't go to court. that's just an availability bias as you don't see amicable divorces on television kicking up a drama or talked about on social media.
> like the kids you spent all of your time with in grade school probably aren't the same people you want to hang out when you start your professional life.
If marriage is such a weak thing that minor disagreements over petty things can be a reason to end things you might as well not get married
What is the point? You are putting yourself at a lot of risk, both financially and emotionally for no gain.

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>>13316213
slowly becoming a different person as you grow older is not a minor disagreement, nor is it a emotional loss.
there's value and meaning in making a promise to other people, it can be a big part in getting over those minor things. but that promise is in the spirit in making each other happy, there can be a point in those people's lives where being bound together doesn't serve that purpose anymore.
also just not getting married is a growing trend. couples are just living together, even having children together indefinitely.

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>>13313687
vtubers are somewhat unique amongst those as it's an industry designed around extracting money from a certain demographic of people. not that the vtuber audience is any kind of monolith, but it should be a a leap to say that it's unhealthy for some subsets of it.
and I don't think the argument that alternatives exist so any single vice isn't culpable holds much water. there are some studies around this stuff but in short it's not a coincidence that the gambling capital of the US is also the city with the most gambling addicts.

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why is this board a thing holy shit. Who watches "vtubers" you people are cancer on society. Get a life. Have sex.

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>>13313687
>The truth is there is something seriously wrong going on with men in general, young men especially, in todays society.
Not really. Men, especially young men, don't want to bother with things that are not worth the hassle. Women just became those. It's a simple effort-reward equation.
Amusingly you can use vtubers to confirm this by having a look at the amount of effort some fans will put in content creation for example. Regardless if it's a good thing or not, some of the men have decided that the girl in the avatar is worth the effort so they're putting some.

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>>13316687
Until several peer reviewed studies prove it I will reserve my judgment.
Of course, with as any hobby or pastime, it can be "unhealthy" if overdone but the thing in of itself is not bad or good, it's just neutral.
I mentioned porn videos game and anime because that is what people have been blaming for the last decade for the increase of lonely and celibate men. It's has been a growing issue long before vtubers, the only difference is, as you said, they are now a market demographic that is presented with a coping mechanism.

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>>13316511
Not gonna lie anon, you are either white cuck, a women, a humongous liberal faggot or a combination of all three.

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>>13316937
>Not really. Men, especially young men, don't want to bother with things that are not worth the hassle. Women just became those. It's a simple effort-reward equation.
I don't disagree but that is not.... well normal. We are programed to seek companionship and breed, if people are deprived of those their mental health deteriorates. The fact women are "not worth the hassle" shows there is something wrong in society. And the rate sexlessness (lots of studies have it as 1/4 some even as high as 30%) in men as well as the suicide rate proves that.

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>>13316948
studies that prove what exactly? there's a good number of research on adjacent topics. streamers specifically are a bit too new.
like there some research suggesting that loot boxes having a negative effect on people. in part because it's embedded in gambling and not explicitly labeled as gambling. there's a component of that with streaming and the dopamine hit people get when their superchat gets called out.
the fears around anime and games and going back to stuff like rock music is almost definitely pearl clutching but all the parasocial stuff is more likely a different beast. also weirdly the one thing soccer moms and the media aren't freaking out about now that I think about. the concern is mostly coming from academia.

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>>13317060
Actually, you're probably thinking that I'd agree with the society part but no, there is nothing wrong with society. Or, nothing fundamentally "wrong". Society works as it should.
Everyone is free to do what they want, which is why society has become what it is at the moment. I know women get a lot of shit for only targeting the best, but on an objective scale you can't really fault them for that, because the argument by itself is not faulty.

Now, we could argue that society is unfair but again, that's not society complete fault. For example you're technically free to give half of your belongings to the poor man next door, that would make the situation between you two fair... or does it? You're giving away half the stuff you actually worked for to someone you don't know anything about, so here you're the one putting yourself in an unfair situation, though you're just trying to make the world a better place. I know I'm bad at explaining things but hopefully you get what I'm trying to say here.

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>>13317297
>studies that prove what exactly?
That there is a causal effect between streaming/vtubing and increased negative behavioral pattern in the viewers.
>the fears around anime and games and going back to stuff like rock music is almost definitely pearl clutching but all the parasocial stuff is more likely a different beast
Maybe maybe not like I said I will just reserve judgment.

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If I want GFE I watch the next harem anime or play a VN, I can't project my illusions into what I know it's a real girl with her own life... More power to you if you can though

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>>13317369
>Actually, you're probably thinking that I'd agree with the society part but no, there is nothing wrong with society. Or, nothing fundamentally "wrong".
There nothing wrong with society as a concept, but there is definitely something wrong with "western society" or something along those lines. If your population is not able to even replace itself thanks to low birth rates you are failing the most basic tenant you have as a civilization.
>Everyone is free to do what they want,
That is quite debatable especially seeing the state of the world. But even taking it as a fact it doesn't change the issue, freedom in of itself is not necessarily good, people are easily manipulated and taken advantage off. Be it form large corporations or individuals. And it should be the job of society as a whole to figure this shit out.

I get what you are saying that society being unequal is not necessarily a bad thing, and I agree. But massive inequality, like you have in African countries, is also not good. And that is what is happening, a lot of people, especially young men, are being left behind. And that is not bad just for them but for society as a whole, as they are the ones who contribute the most to the community the live in over the course of their lives.

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>>13316966
See the roastie(s) here >>13298764 >>13296895, and the IPs not going up.

Remove sex from the equation, and ask what remains of them to offer. And if it's worth half your wealth and all of your time. Evidently 50% of marriages are not failing (maybe gen X and boomers btw), so there's hope?

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>>13317948
I'm 50/50 on your argument about civilization. To stay on topic, because we're deviating quite a bit but that kind of discussion is always interesting, the decline of birthrate is technically not completely because of society. In fact, Japan society itself have been trying for a while to encourage young promiscuity, but at the end of the day there's reason why history told us that women were the gatekeepers of sex. They decide whether they want to have sex or not, if they don't then that's it, nothing can be done there.
Leaving the obvious fat otaku archetype, because seriously who would want to fuck that and it work both ways, you have to remember that the young normal to average men are also being excluded by the women there. There are always talks, studies, painting and whatnots of what young alone men do, but haven't you noticed that it's never the case for their gender counterpart? That's because it's not a thing, young "alone" women doesn't happen, and I quoted alone here because what I meant is truly alone, not their perception of what being "alone" means.

Even coming back to vtubers, just have a look at the board. Mostly female vtubers, because the reality is that women into vtubers for the BFE are not as common as what some would like to argue. They don't need it, because they already have enough physical interactions whether if it's in a committed relationship or not.

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>>13294600
No it predicted the existence of Kiara

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>>13317872
Real GFE vtubers indulge your illusions, thats the scary part

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Nah

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>>13294600
Concerfag

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>>13315986
>Panty and Stocking was 2010

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GFE is good

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I love Rushia

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I love Rami too much

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>>13335771
>>13338382
Just let the thread die already.

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>>13332877
This

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>>13294707
This

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>>13294600
reading too much into it

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not if it goes both ways

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>>13348963
Kiki is the prime example of this sort of thing being unhealthy to both parties, not of it being good for the audience.

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>>13295453
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnSW8ian29w

is this thread serious?

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>>13351664
that's not from an anime so I wouldn't know it