/asp/ - Aspiring Vtuber and Startup

[Anonymous No.]

What is /asp/?

A thread where we discuss our vtuber aspirations! Whether it's agency-based or independent, let's help each other grow and make it as entertainers. Indies are welcome to join, but shill responsibly. Share what knowledge, insights, what works/doesn't work for you. Remember to do your research before providing personally identifying information to companies online!

FAQ:
Do I need an expensive, fully rigged Live2D model to be a vtuber?
No! You can always start out as a pngtuber!

Where can I learn how to Live2D rig avatars?
Check out Brian Tsui's (of Iron Vertex) YouTube channel!

Where can I find artists/riggers?
Skeb.jp, ArtStation, DeviantArt, Twitter, Reddit, etc.

Where can I learn how to digital market myself?
https://learndigital.withgoogle.com/digitalgarage

Where can I find some good games to stream?
https://twitchtracker.com/games
https://sullygnome.com/

Twitch or Youtube?
Multistream to both.

RESOURCES:
General: https://pastebin.com/AJLkFrGK
OpSec Guide: https://pastebin.com/2mkc8x9P
"avoid doing this shit": https://pastebin.com/vbp6qEdt
List of Assets and other resources: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQHyRDZ3nxlIINfZz_wWCbgQ9gR4OgbTFhyGwq45DseUixkJJKbUmhPjnkWcmh7dOCDdxObAZXv_zti/pubhtml

Stay grounded, stay hopeful. Don't kill yourself yet.

Previous Thread: >>13078511

[Anonymous No.]

the recline hurts
but i won't give up i will keep trying

[Anonymous No.]

I had a super bad stream today. A game I've tried before, and seemed to have medium ish engagement rates... But nobody except my mod showed up.

I don't mind being NGMI, but it sucks to have such a bad end to the week.

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>>13277504
>>13277333
heh, nothin personal kiddos.

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>>13277504
i've had those kinds of streams happen before where you've had a solid week and then nobody shows up to a stream randomly, especially if your viewership is in the low double digits or single digits to begin with; sometimes time just line up poorly anon
just gotta pick yourself up for the next stream

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>>13278057
Thanks anon. I guess it's just been a bad week in general, and all the streams this week hitting low figures kinda sucked too. I did a load of work last week upgrading everything - new overlays, new commands/interactions with chat, new plugins, and viewership, bits, subs, and chat activity are all down.

But I also know I'm slipping with depression, so I'm making sure not to take the stats personally. It happens sometimes, and it doesn't mean anything.

[Anonymous No.]

What are some things you didn't know, even after all the info you got from /asp/ and other sources? Something you couldn't have prepared for and maybe found a solution to.

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before bed bump

[Anonymous No.]

I've heard JRPGs were usually a debuff, but what about Pokemon? I know the Sinnoh remakes aren't very good, but the Nintoddlers seem to like it

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>>13288940
Genres are only debuff if you aren't entertaining enough to hold on your own and keep people interested in the stream while playing them.

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>>13277587
based

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>>13288940
It’s popular and challenge runs do great numbers on YouTube, but if you don’t like Pokemon you’re not going to make good Pokemon content.

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>>13277333
You got this anon. Though if you're reclining hard, may want to reflect on your content and try something new. Or update the quality of your streams.
>>13277504
What've you been doing to advertise yourself anon? Might be that.

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>friend told me to help him with advice and design and content for when he gets his super extra magical graphics card and starts getting serious about streaming
>tell him I will but to pick up any model to start streaming now as a vtuber in the meantime
>he somehow picked up that he needed his final model before getting back to streaming
>repeat what I told him before and tell him to search for references of what he wants for his model in the meantime so it can be done faster once we get to it
>he hasn't done either of these things yet either
brehs...............................

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>>13289916
This month I actually did try a lot of things different from my usual content; if anything it feels like it confirmed that I should have stayed with the content I focused on in the first place. I also did recently update a lot of my assets so I don't think that's the problem

[Anonymous No.]

anyone know good artists that make animated emotes

budget is no issue

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>>13282123
i don't know what to do when i get raided. i've seen others like Little_S do a whole bit when they get raided but that seems like a ton of work. i would also hate to be put on the spot like that and have my clips shown on stream and commented on.

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>>13291668
just thank them for raiding and give them a shout out. you don't need to do more than that

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder if I will ever be someone's oshi...

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>>13293692
Work hard and make good content and you may be.

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>>13295298
>make good content
i don't know what "good content" means anymore because i see every anon talking about it but never actually explaining what it means

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>>13295804
Its like making bad content, but better.

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Is it possible to check out a viewers chat history for other channels?
I have a few viewers that chat sometimes, but I don't know if it's because they like me or they do this to every small vtuber. I want to check their chat history just to make sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13289916
>advertise yourself
Same as previous - twitter posts, discord self-promos, chatting in other streams. But I know my game choice this week has apparently not been ideal, guess I need to work on that too.

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>>13295804
"Good" content is subjective so there's really no single definition. Make what you like unless your goal is being popular, in which case make what everyone else is making but put your personal spin on it without making it too niche or far removed from what you're trying to replicate. Don't fall for the *~*~UNIQUE NICHE CONTENT~*~* meme. No successful chuuba is making that. They're sitting around making jokes, doing asmr, singing, drawing, and playing videogames.

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>>13295804
I'd define it as something people would want to watch and gives some kind of value. Still kinda vague, but that's how I see it.

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>>13288940
JRPGs or RPGS are known as debuffs because onces you start going through a game with a particularly long story/grind, it can be hard to retain an audiences after several streams. I'm talking about games with 20+ hours minimum to complete just the main story.

Like think about it, if you're streaming a long game and someone drops into the middle of a stream, are they going to stick around to learn the game if they weren't there at the beginning?

And then you have games that have been played by everyone(witcher 3, GTA, or pokemon) that have long campaigns where, you might have people dropping in to watch your reactions. But you might end up with backseaters.

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>>13296055
That may be the thing, sound to me anon like you cover a lot of bases when it comes to advertising.

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[Anonymous No.]

hello, i've posted my l2d models wip before, curious if any anons are willing to give further feedback on how she looks so far.
i've already requested more detail and color on the outfit, and a fang + dark circles under her eyes (those were some of my original requests)
just curious on anons initial thoughts on how she looks as she appears right now. tyvm in advance
https://catbox.moe/c/llx5vz

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know if there's a way to get the Event List function in Stream Elements? I know Streamlabs has it, but I use OBS, and I don't want to have to add and mod Streamlabs so that I can just have that one function

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>>13300269
I like the hair color and the tattoo.
I agree, the outfit needs more details but not necessary more colors. not sure if eyebags would look better on this model. I like the addition of a fang though.

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>>13300269
I like the general look, but yeah the outfit needs more colors/details like you said. Dark circles would make it look bad i m o.

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>>13300269
sorry if this comes across as unsolicited advice anon, but push your values. as of now, your clothes and hair are all blending together. i get that you have a colour scheme and you want to stick to it, but it just makes the piece look flat and lackluster. luckily, a good tertiary colour to red and brown is purple, so try introducing that to your shadows. instead of just lowering brightness when shading, shift the hue as well to a cooler tone. sure, some of my correction may be down to personal preference, but just here to help huhu.
original left, my version on the right, greyscale so you can see how shading with contrast in mind makes the silhouette of the character really 'pop' and not look as flat.

[Anonymous No.]

bump i guess.

[Anonymous No.]

should I even bother with twitter/networking bullshit if I'm only doing sporadic practice streams and I know I won't be able to stream regularly until I'm done with college in more or less 6 months? I obviously haven't been getting a lot of views on my streams and it's kinda demotivating to always be talking to an empty chat but I'd feel like I'm letting people down if I gained a bunch of followers but then only streamed like. less than once a week. I'm planning on doing a mini-debut once I find enough time to stream regularly and maybe even redo my model. I also have a backlog of drawings I could post for attention.

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>>13300269
Looks cute, but imo >>13301350 is right

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>>13288940
They give a chance to do voice acting reps if they're unvoiced

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>>13304773
Maybe wait on networking until you have more time to dedicate, but you can always stream to a friend or two and just get comfortable with it while you wait. It will be a good chance to learn how to just have fun with a stream and not worry so much about having a huge audience, because that fun will help attract the audience you're hoping for.

[Anonymous No.]

bumpu

[Anonymous No.]

fellas im pretty sure im autistic. how do you hold a regular conversation during a collab with people youve never spoken to before? i dont want to be awkward and quiet, but i also dont want to be obnoxious.

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>>13310902
Ideally you aren't collabing with people you haven't spoken to before. If you're a guest on someone else's channel and there are people you don't know, keep discussion focused on whatever the collab topic is. If you have a chance though, get to know the other guests beforehand, hop in a discord VC, get to know one another a bit more.

If you're hosting a collab with people you haven't spoken to before, definitely speak to them first.

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>>13310902
Don't, only collab with people you've vibe checked before hand.
Play some games or chat before hand make sure you're compatible and both of you can have a good time. Ideally become friends first so you're collabing with people you'd only be hanging out with normally.

There's exceptions, but if you're not socially competent enough to navigate those waters just stick to friends.

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>>13310902
yeah when you collab with people make sure you know and have talked with them before
usually when i've done collabs i get into VC with them for at least like 30 minutes to break the ice and have conversation with them so we don't go in completely cold
Collabs with more than one other person are a bit harder since you don't want to step on everyones' toes with conversation

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>>13300651
>>13301264
>>13305194
thanks anons!
>>13301350
nono definitely not unsolicited advice, i wanted it! i really appreciate your edit, it's pretty much exactly what i thought needed to be done, but had no idea how to really articulate it to the artist since i'm, well...not an artist kek. the changes you made are subtle but really made her look so much better and more like an actual model and not just a drawing. your shading is really nice, i like it a lot

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>>13288940
>Nintoddlers
pokemon won't work for you if this is the mindset you're starting off with

[Anonymous No.]

Straight outta Slugma's delicious sounding mouth - "only one of the most recent gen has any streaming experience"

What the fuck?

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>>13314693
I can't figure out since all of them look experienced.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it too late to become a goblin vtuber? I don't want people to think I'm ripping off honey goblin

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>>13315128
Literally everything has become a vtuber by this point. So long as your schtick isn't "tavern wench goblin", nobody would think you're ripping her off.

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>>13315189
Good point. Thanks anon

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>>13314693
No streaming experience doesn't mean no content creation experience. In all honesty streaming isn't exactly hard if you're a socially functioning human being, which most of their hires seem to be even if they act autistic from time to time.

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>>13315576
Jumping off of that - what’s the fastest way to gain a diverse content making experience?

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>>13317287
by making content...?
are you stupid?

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>>13317287
only way to get experience is to actually do the thing you want to get better at

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is being autistic a huge debuff? i have annoying tics and I get really weird and say dumb things. when I png streamed I muted before tics but I don't think I can hide them as good anymore with a model

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>>13317401
I may be stupid.
I was thinking along the lines of “will you figure stuff out faster if you do shorter things like tiktoks or higher effort things like YouTube videos”.

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>>13317745
That's not really what people mean by content.
They mean something like music or art or video editing which is more about just gitting gud and the content comes second.

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>>13317740
unless you call attention to it or it's incredibly obvious over a long period of time like Ame's hiccups most viewers won't even notice

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>>13317745
>higher effort things like YouTube videos”.
don't do this. just pay an editor to do it for you. if you can't afford an editor to do this, you're not in a position where exerting effort on youtube videos will make any impact on your growth.

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>>13317740
Ethan from H3 has tics and his viewers don't seem to mind at all.

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>>13318737
Randon didn't start out editing his videos. He didn't get an editor until months in so that's dumb. You just need to actually look into how to edit videos, it's pretty formulaic when you aren't just doing clip highlights. There's guides out there that you can even cross-reference with other popular youtube streamers and see each step they do the same.

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>>13319144
*randon didn't start out with an editor

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>>13318737
Dude, I don’t need an editor to slap some subtitles, zooms and sfx on a video.

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>>13319144
>>13319249
/asp/ies have complained in the past about spending 6-7 hours combing through their vods and editting together "high effort videos" only to get 0 views after a week. turns out they're streaming to 1 CCV. /asp/ies need to know where to focus their efforts on and it doesn't make sense to edit videos to a community of zero.

>>13319259
ok

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>>13319304
> turns out they're streaming to 1 CCV
And Randon started from zero. He didn't even start with a debut, he started with a few formulaic videos and debut two weeks later.

>editting together "high effort videos" only to get 0 views after a week
Highlights and actual scripted content (which is what people typically mean when they say "high effort youtube content" are completely different. No one is watching 7 minute highlight videos because they don't know who you are, so they arent even clicking the video to begin with after seeing the time. A series of singular edited down clips has a lot better chance because viewers aren't dedicating a lot of time to someone who they've never even heard of, but again Randon didn't even do that because he had zero streamed content.

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>>13319599
and Kabhaal is the same way. He had streamed content that went nowhere, but his scripted content he uploaded to Twitter, youtube, and literally anywhere else he could post it still did better.

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>>13319599
is randon giving you the chance to lick his balls each time you name drop him? he started back during the big boom of vtubers. this is like saying you can make it as big as pewdiepie just doing what he did back in 2014. it worked back then, it's not going to work now. you're making a dumb assumption that /asp/ies here are some comedic geniuses who just need a viral editted clip. most are autistic and socially awkward faggots.

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>>13319668
No, I'm using a relevant example and even included another person. The "Big Boom" of vtubers was last year, around September so I'm not quite sure when you think he started. If you want to actually involve statistics, Feb 2021 was probably one of the LOWEST points. I'm not acting like /asp/ies are comedic geniuses, I'm explaining that your statement isn't completely true. Obviously you need to be entertaining you grasp ANYONE'S attention but that should be a fucking given. If you're autistic and socially awkward you'll fail no matter what or when you do something.

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>>13319668
wait when was the big boom i thought that was long passed

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>>13319948
Last year September with HoloEn was the second boom after KizunaAi and co in 2016.
Don’t get discouraged though; a boom won’t matter long term if you suck, nor if you are good.

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>>13320082
>Randon started during the boom, that's why he's popular!

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>>13319668
>feb 2021
>big boom
okay yeah you're just a dumbass

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>>13320987
Seems like some more cope. "O-Oh this person only does well because they started when it was popular!" when he got on at one of the lowest points in the trend. The guy started with nothing but a video about Gacha. That's it. One he edited himself and there's a million articles, guides, books, etc out there on how to write a script for youtube. It isn't rocket science, you just need to do more research than "What color should my character's hair be? Green doesn't really fit the lore."

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>>13311026
>>13311077
>>13311133

Thank you anons, will hop in to call early to make small talk.

>>13312188
No prob bob! Happy to help anon. Thank you, I hope the comparison helps your artist

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>>13320987
>>13321281
i'm impressed at how easily you /asp/ies will eat up random numbers that are thrown out like
>jp chuuba boom in 2016
and then assume en chuuba boom happened at the exact same time.

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>>13321665
Multiple people specifically said the EN one was in September of last year, no one's eating anything up or assuming anything.

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>>13321816
>Multiple people specifically said the EN one was in September of last year
no, anons mentioned that hololive en debut was september. immediately after which came a boom of indie en chuubas due to the popularity of hololive en debuts. you and your retarded /asp/iefaggots are trying to imply that all these en chuubas came out at the same time that hololive en debuts? fuck out of here. september - december would line up with the period of time it takes for commission a model, rigger and debut. Randon's feb 1st stream lines up with other indies who got started immediately following the holo en hype.

jesus you /asp/ies really are fucked up in the head.

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>>13321919
Except the "hype" only matters for people who are active during it, which he was not. You don't benefit from a "vtuber boom" or any sort of hype if you don't even exist yet. Do you understand how ridiculous that even sounds? It had long dipped when February came along, he wasn't riding off any "vtuber boom" hype. He might've gained an interest due to it, but he didn't exactly benefit from it the way someone tried to imply.

>>Multiple people specifically said the EN one was in September of last year
>no

>>13320082
>Last year September with HoloEn

>>13319856
>The "Big Boom" of vtubers was last year, around September

Are you even reading any of this or just replying randomly?

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>>13321919
>you /asp/ies
You’re a 2-view who spends literally all day mane-larping in this thread, don’t act like you’re better than anyone here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13321919
>randon's feb 1st stream
his first stream wasn't until feb 19th and he put out four short prerecorded videos before then which i'm pretty sure got people to notice him prior to his actual debut
he made content before streaming and managed to get people to see it by advertising on twitter and reddit
his first clip he made after he started streaming was also one of his biggest and i'm pretty sure he didn't have an editor for that one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1aqHIZjJR0

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>>13322566
Even now he still edits some of his own stuff since he doesn't have a personal editor. I think it's just a matter of personality (obviously) and willingness to learn what makes a Youtube video.

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>>13322566
>he put out four short prerecorded videos before then which i'm pretty sure got people to notice him prior to his actual debut
yeah, back when the boom was happening and the hype was still big. people were excited to see new english speaking chuubas coming out. like i said, got in early with the hype. that doesn't work anymore.

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>>13317740
Kiki seems to be doing well, and iirc Haruka is autistic too, you'll be fine

[Anonymous No.]

bumpu

[Anonymous No.]

Would you anons say the Vtuber community is stagnating since it's been so long since the big booms last year? You think this has any impact on new people getting into the scene?

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>>13326317
how many new chuubas do you know of all those debuting each month?

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>>13323036
There was no hype in February. 5 months after HoloEN debuting, searches for "VTuber" were at an all time low. It definitely wasn't "trending" and there was no hype left. Did he get in earlier than people starting today? Yes. And they'll get in earlier than someone starting next year just like people got started earlier than him, a lot of which aren't big at all, or are flat out completely unknown.

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>>13327993
Barely any, most I can remember I found by scrolling some twitter tags or by a quick "Vtuber" search on youtube or twitch. There's a ton still debuting from what I can tell, but the EN scene seems to be dying down from some of the /asp/ discords I'm in. Am I wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13329843
Dying down in what way

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>>13330462
Just feels like there's a lot less activity and people showing up to try it out. Not dying down in that people are graduating and viewership is drying up; actually from a quick search it looks like interest is still slowly growing. But from where I'm seeing things, the EN aspiring scene is much more quieter than 2020 or early 2021. How wrong am I anon?

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>>13330462
nta but i guess as in "Becoming less active"

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>>13330661
>>13330866
holidays are coming up so many college chuubas are probably going home. then they have a finals seasons coming. that's probably why.

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>>13330661
I don't see a shortage of vtubers popping up, it's just like with anything. Nothing is "fresh" any more, people are used to just about every gimmick under the sun, and people are literally debuting daily to zero people. Viewership definitely isn't drying up though, especially with some of these new players bringing in even more people.

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>>13331060
Yeah I can get that, that's what I'm going through too. That makes sense, though I personally have been seeing this for a few months now.
>>13331457
Oh that's a good point. Seems like a lot of things are overdone now. Maybe I'm just not looking in the right places then. Any other communities to find other aspiring chuubas other than the discords in the google sheet and /asp/?

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>>13331625
I wouldn't say overdone, just not rare or unique any more, they've normalized. You just listed the main places "aspiring chuubas" are so...no.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe a weird question, but I’ve got a Vroid asset that’s the right shape but wrong color. I would normally use my old friend the fill tool, but it’s got some complex shading that I can’t do myself. Is there some way to change the general color of the image while maintaining the shading?

[Anonymous No.]

Asking again, is there any particularly recommended multistreaming service / method recommended here? Restream is the only one I know, and the watermark is putting me off. If not, I guess I just have to bite the bullet, right?

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>>13334486
multistreaming is really only a temporary thing until you figure out which site gives you the best growth, then you cut the other one and commit to one of them until you grow your community large enough to expand.

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bump

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>>13335511
I tried multistreaming for a while, but gave it up for just Twitch, using YouTube for edited content and VODs.

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>>13337630
Stop doing that

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>>13337701
If you want Partner/Affiliate on either site you have to give up the other as a streaming platform eventually anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Crosspost, but >>13320131 really is true now that i think about it. why do people struggle to find or do something unique?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13342589
>why do people struggle to find or do something unique?
what content do you think is "unique" that other chuubas should do more of?

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>>13342751
Sorry, I meant why are people struggling so hard in search of something unique to do, not why is it difficult to do so. I don't see why people waste time trying to find something unique when it really doesn't seem to matter. Shouldn't people be focusing more on their existing skillset, assuming they have one.

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>>13342977
because /asp/ies are fucking retarded and constantly try to look for that one gimmick that will make them unique and stand out against the tens of thousands of other chuubas. they think if they have something "unique" that they'll be a guaranteed a spot in auditions because they have nothing else. that's what you have lorefag and designfag /asp/ies trying to convince other anons that they need to have a unique and intricate lore or some never-before-seen unique standout design to "make it"

[Anonymous No.]

Once I train my voice to be female-passing I'm gonna vtube my brains out

You'll see

[Anonymous No.]

>>13343307
it takes on average 1.5 years to train passing mtf
see you in 2023

[Anonymous No.]

>>13343330
What if I just do a third of that and then train the rest on stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>13343388
do it first and i'll believe you

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>>13343388
>trannies
>putting in effort
ngmi

[Anonymous No.]

>>13343307
Are you that Randall Weems looking nigga that wanted to audition for Vsh*jo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13343388
Why would anyone care

[Anonymous No.]

first week of streaming done! was pretty alright but tonight was a bit lackluster, here's looking forward to next week!

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>>13321919
Randon is respected because he came from nothing during a down period. He's one of the "made it" male vtubers with high ccv. He's always friendly and talking about researching and testing out techniques to improve his growth as a hobbyist looking to get better all the time. If you watch his streams he points out what worked for him and what didn't and gives really good pointers too. Not to mention he has basically no talent or history in content creation too since he cant sing, make music, play games, draw and more. All he can do is talk so people here who have skills in other areas surely can grow using his advice.

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>>13345634
this. he's actually pretty textbook, he does everything every Youtuber does, right down to the whole "...there's also [thing], but we'll get back to that later in the video so stick around" style hooks they do. Personality aside, he knows the formula to a good video that'll hook people. It's not a secret and any guide you find online about it will tell you just about the same shit.

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>>13346072
>>13345634
I wish he wasn’t such an SJW, I’d cringe a lot less when watching him. But yeah, he gives good advice.
It’s also interesting that his videos are either VODs or clips, with one recent exception being the Diablo video.
I don’t think I could be as nice to the chat as he is, or it would need a lot more effort from me. I’m just not a nice enough person for that. Yet.

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>>13345634
>>13346072
Also, don’t forget he got shout out a lot (including by takahata) in the beginning when there weren’t that many indie vtubers on YouTube. I’m not saying that was his main reason for success, but keep that in mind if you try to follow in his footsteps.

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>>13332369
Yes, you need a photo editing program, go to hue and saturation, change hue until it's your desired color, i recommend gimp

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>>13345390
Congrats anon! Good luck!

[Anonymous No.]

streamelements? streamlabs? what do you guys use for overlays for alers, chat, etc?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355275
even with all the shit streamlabs is getting for stealing shit, its still really accessible compared to streamelements

[Anonymous No.]

>>13355342
does streamlabs have transitions between scenes the way obs does? sorry, new aspie

[Anonymous No.]

>all this randon dick sucking
>his streams are 50% just welcoming people who speak in his chat
>still underestimating how much of a buff starting early was
if it was that easy, why can none of you /asp/ies even come close?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357145
there's a lot of chuubas that started as early as him or earlier and don't have a fraction of his viewership
you sound like some kind of seething 2view blaming your lack of success on not starting early

[Anonymous No.]

don't take the bait
don't take the bait
don't take the bait

[Anonymous No.]

There's only way to make it
And that's being good at this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357422
memes aside, i think Apex can be a very good game to play as a trainer specifically to train your attention.

Apex is already fast paced and requires a constant background level of brain activity if you want to play it decently. combine that with the need to zatsudan during the entire time or paying attention to chat. if you're someone who can banter naturally like Selen or jump in and out of teacher mode like how she explains certain tactics in Apex she's learned playing with other pros, it can still work. the problem is most chuubas end up focusing 100% on the game and forgetting the fact that they're streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357422
I’m still not making it though…

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357422
I don't care who EA send i am not giving up my hard drive

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357422
I don't care who EA sends i am not giving up my hard drive

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357422
I'm ass at fps games but I'm pretty good at rhythm games. Do you think that'll interest some people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13360072
Nowadays the biggest rhythm game to drag people in is like, FNF mods
Osu! has a bit of a community as well if you're really really good at it but you'd also have to shill on their forums as well I'd imagine
I don't think any other rhythm game is as big as either of those two but they do all have their small communities

[Anonymous No.]

>>13332369
Didn't notice the reply to this, so I looked around and found a solution. Most of the guides I found were unhelpful on their own so I put one together myself, in case anyone else is having the same problem.
https://pastebin.com/GgJ9qe4D

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357422
What value do you bring while playing (boring game) (playthrough#153)?

1. Are you really funny?
2. Are you so good at the game that I can learn from just watching you?
3. Do you have a great voice? Can I leave you a background noise?
4. Are you parasocial as fuck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357145
>if it was that easy, why can none of you /asp/ies even come close?
It's not "that easy", you still need to have a personality that people gravitate to and know the ins and outs of even the most generic content creation, which is what most people are missing. Kabhaal does the same exact thing and would openly admit it.

"Starting early" will always be a buff but it's also always an excuse for some people to not even try. How many people started early that are still 2views? I've friends with a lot who started in early 2020 and SOME late 2019, and it's not even from lack of effort or hard work that they haven't grown, they just lack the personality to break past 15 viewers or catch people's attention aside from other chuubas and a few viewers that latched on. There's people who started this year that are doing better than people who are doing well and started last year, or the year before.

>his streams are 50% just welcoming people who speak in his chat
Even if this was true (it isn't), why is it that he's doing better than anyone here if all he's doing is acting like a walmart greeter? Everyone greets chatters, it's normal. If you tell me you're against talking and that you're actually Zylph I'll be pretty upset.


>>13349212
Takahata shouted him out after he was already popular, Taka doesn't touch anyone who isn't already well known because he knows he's got nothing to gain from it.

[Anonymous No.]

would it be alright if i linked my twitch so people can skim my vods and tell me if i'm doing alright with the dead air issue/overall personality?

[Anonymous No.]

how to stop being 2view

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362457
kill one of your viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362438
Sure, people have done that in the past. Whether anyone has anything meaningful is another question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362980
https://www.twitch.tv/lupinjulius

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362457
impregnate one of your viewers

[Anonymous No.]

>>13363071
Ok so just on a quick look, voice and sound levels all good.

Model + reactive are fine, was gonna mention it was a bit large in the RoR but you fixed it the next two.

Managing dead air was fine, but one thing that kinda stuck out to me that I think a lot of people struggle with is their talking points. You seemed to keep defaulting into talking about the game/ walking through what you’re doing, which is fine occasionally but can get old quick.

Seen people recommend kinda having a story/ idea laid out prestream to go into during those lulls where there’s no good in game topic.

Also since I saw a few people popping in and out on your chat you can try bouncing off them some more for talking points.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13363934
i think i can do all that for next time yeah. i appreciate the helpful points and i think i can definitely do all that for the upcoming week!

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362457
Post yourself in Discords for games you’re playing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13367225
this is a good way to get ignored at best or kicked from servers at worse. no one like blatant shilling like this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13367273
it depends on how often you do it and if its allowed
i've seen like, reddit community servers where i asked and people were like, "as long as you contribute to discussion and don't only just post your link you're fine"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13367273
I’m in a lot of servers that have a dedicated shilling channel. Observe the culture, don’t overdo it, talk in main from time to time and you’ll be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Question about opsec, i want to do a csgo case opening stream, if both my chuuba account and my main have private inventories no one will be able to trace the skins back to my main using something like csgo exchange, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362061
Wait, so starting early wasn’t that big of a buff after all? If so, I’m getting motivated, because then it’s within my control to improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13371184
Starting early was a big buff, but it was only a big buff for the people capable of creating content people like. HUNDREDS of people became vtubers in early 2020/late 2019, a low percentage of them are successful. Not everyone can do it, and it's always within your control to improve. There's people who started last year with 10 viewers, and there's people who started a few months ago with dozens, even hundreds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13372349
Thanks anon. This explanation made the gremlin inside my head telling me it’s pointless without the buff shut up.

[Anonymous No.]

any great rigger recommendations? i want to use an iphone for the facetracking, but my model is a half-body, so i'm not sure if that affects the cost desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>13373141
not even worth it to get a great rigger if youre half body

[Anonymous No.]

>>13373299
yea i just really don't want to commission some fiverr random desu
i'm gonna scour skima i suppose

[Anonymous No.]

there's so many amateur riggers charging $500+ for trash rigs and the only okay ones are fully booked for the next 6 months to a year, cost a fortune and/or don't take commissions at all anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375521
Is it a good idea to become a rigger? How long to get to the level you're talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375627
6-7 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375654
alright, will consider it, i could definitely use the money

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375521
theres some hidden gems on skima but they understandably cost a lot. it is crazy though to see people charging so much for rigs that look like they took a week, if that

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375627
Most people aren't going to be paying those people to rig for $500.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375824
My plan would be to undercut them heavily

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375919
You'll start doing it then realize how much work and time it takes and immediately realize you're spending a bunch of time for minimum wage or less while also hoping people even know who yo uare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375919
>undercut them heavily
until you do your first actual rig and realize it'll take you 90 hours to rig and even if you charge $500, you'll making effectively $5.50 per hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13376240
>>13376309
You guys say this, but I remember watching a Yua stream and she said she can actually pump them out pretty fast if she's not being lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13376472
ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>13376240
>>13376309
I'm a turdwulder, $5.50 an hour is already a lot of money for me, i could easily do $4 or even $3

[Anonymous No.]

>>13376472
>An extremely experienced Live2D rigger is able to pump them out "pretty fast"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13376749
At $500 for her, who's is experienced and not just a generic shitter. At say 20 hours, that's still $25/hr which is good. And rigging isn't really that complex even for the better models, most of them are basically only facial rigs with minor arm movement and a few animations slapped on.

I did similar shit with VR chat animations and modeling awhile back and I could add full animations I did myself within a single night.

Its not 'easy' but its really not that complex, and 20 hours is pushing quite a bit. I'd expect something closer to 12 hours max if you have some experience and aren't doing ridiculous animations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13376990
>I did similar shit with VR chat animations and modeling awhile back
Oh, actually disregard everything I've said then. It's actually surprisingly similar to 3D modeling in a way, just on a singular "layer". You'll probably catch on pretty quick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13377135
I was a different anon.

[Anonymous No.]

post your commissions page once you're pumping out high quality rigs in 12 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>13373953
a lot of amateur riggers don't have an artistic background and AngleXY usually make it abundantly clear. the face warps in all the wrong ways. if you want a good rigger check angleX first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13375627
yes. it's a good skill to have. I started beginning this year and I don't do rigs but I animate drawings/make animations with the skills I learned from rigging. I make around $30/hr.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13377135
I'm the original guy who asked, i do have some 3D modelling experience too, gonna give it a try
>>13378402
What resources did you use to learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13357522
>the problem is most chuubas end up focusing 100% on the game and forgetting the fact that they're streaming.
This is a problem with any chuuba who plays challenging games. There's a reason casual shit dominates the market and airtime.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>13386993
at the very least you could post a question or some bait to get responses

[Anonymous No.]

>>13383179
Didn't Pewdiepie say on some contest where the prize was he'd make a lets play of the winners game that what makes a game fun to watch is different from what makes it fun to play?

[Anonymous No.]

>go check randon's channel
>every video is hours long
Is there a way to learn from him without watching hours of him talking to his chat? I barely have time to sit and watch my oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13390458
If you want to learn from him you should probably be willing to watch him, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13390458
he has clips and other short videos you could check out
https://www.youtube.com/c/RandonNeuring/playlists
there's a couple of other ones not put into playlists like this if you check around his channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8GMzFDGIiNQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-SgzcrDqEM
>>13387265
you can't reason with anyaposters

[Anonymous No.]

Would you watch a Vtuber who's gimmick is not having a rig or even a PNG because they are shy? I think it would work out kind of like actual faceless youtubers with an eventual face reveal...

[Anonymous No.]

>>13391197
isn't that... isn't that just a camless streamer?
this doesn't even sound like bait i think you're just confused

[Anonymous No.]

>>13391197
would you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13391197
That's just a youtuber, anon. There are tons of people streaming or making pre-recorded content without a facecam. That's normal content creation. By all means, do that if you want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13391241
>>13391242
>>13391243
I'm not baiting but I might be retarded. Thanks for your earnest answers. I guess I'll commit sudoku (in roblox)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13391580
Just make content! One of my favorite content creators is a no-cam Youtuber making pre-recorded content and streaming on special occasions. He's up to 143k subscribers.

If you want to add an avatar and stream with it, that's totally fine too, but it sounds like you want to make content first and foremost, so that's what I'd encourage you to do. Are you interested in streaming or making pre-recorded videos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13387265
A good bumper tries to bait for responses. A great bumper knows he does not need to try to get them.
(I couldn’t think of a question and I didn’t want to annihilate the thread by posting about males or lore or whatever gets people posting)

[Anonymous No.]

>>13362457
Good model that matches your voice.
Good audio and voice.
No dead air
Interact with your audience
Be funny
Have great improv skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>13394317
>No dead air
some anons take this too far and just motormouth nonsense for 6 hours which can be equally as bad as dead air

[Anonymous No.]

>>13394671
Worked for odette. That was her only competitive advantage. And mspaint stream assets.

[Anonymous No.]

>No dead air
Dead Air is fine, so long as there isn't too much of it. You need to know when to shut the fuck up like >>13394671 said. Go watch a normal stream, there's plenty of dead air even when there's not things like cutscenes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13394883
Yes that's because it was her gimmick and she did it in a way that was entertaining. Can most people do that? Probably not. You're not [insert streamer] so don't try to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13394883
it worked as a novelty point. most viewers don't want a chuuba just running their mouths at a million words per minute. for small chuubas it hurts especially since viewers are there for the interaction. and interaction means nothing when a comment is seen read and then thrown out in the span of 3 seconds before moving onto another topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13390458
>is there a way to learn without putting in any effort?
no, give up. watch nothing, read nothing, learn from nothing. go live and hope you just learn things magically and fail when you realize you need to try if you want to learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>13395019
>if you want to learn you need to waste hours of your day watching a guy welcoming chatters to his stream and maybe give a useful sentence of advice once an hour

[Anonymous No.]

>>13395047
what do you gain from actively lying? and the point isn't to get "advice" that he's randomly giving out during the stream. are you really that dense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13395047
Small streamers typically spend the first portion of stream "warming up", greeting people, making idle conversation etc before getting to the main content. It helps build a connection with your community. I never get why even people with a good amount (20+ sometimes) do the shortest of intro screens and then just start stream with their model already bottom right and the game opened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13288940
For now at least it seems good

[Anonymous No.]

What is happening with Sony's VERSEn is evidence that design does indeed matter.
Just a reminder to not half ass it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13401514
The models have to be as good as the drawings on design sheet

[Anonymous No.]

>>13395368
How small are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13403827
I don't think it's just small vtubers that do it, most holos spend a bit of time chatting before starting the game and even normal streamers (like Asmongold) look through their reddit and react to youtube videos before they start the actual game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13405667
My question was more along the lines of "How small can you be to do so?" because i think if you did that as a 2views there's not that much greeting to do, i've even seen people in the 5-10 view range with only two active chatters so they'd experience a similar problem

[Anonymous No.]

What's the general consensus on lewd fanart? Should you not be doing it unless the chuuba themselves has an NSFW tag? (Which I guess is kinda like consent) Is it generally frowned upon? How would you guys feel if you got NSFW fanart?

And what about SFW lewd fanart? Like fully clothed dakimakuras, or a swimsuit fanart? Feels kinda weird to DM a chuuba asking them if it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
Depends on the chuuba but regardless they can't really do anything about if you make some lewd art
so do what you want, just make sure you use the nsfw tags if they have them

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
I think it's fine to just ask if they don't have an 18+ tag

[Anonymous No.]

>>13401514
VERSEn is their lore based vtuber group. it's the same as talking about design when looking at which character is a favorite in a tv show or movie. of course there will be variations in popularity. if you want to talk about design mattering, at least use the ones from VeePiGensis, Sony's 50 man vtuber group.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
Personally I would jack off to NSFW fanart of myself.

[Anonymous No.]

Is streamlabs obs really shit or is it a nothingburger blown out of proportion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13407893
It's really shit, just use OBS

[Anonymous No.]

>>13394671
that's me
I'm the retard that motormouths for a full hour and wonders why his throat is sore

[Anonymous No.]

>>13407893
It was always just OBS with some minor things already set up, the controversy is just a cherry on the shit cake, use normal OBS

[Anonymous No.]

>>13407959
>>13408196
Alright, thanks for the answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13408120
So long as you still interact with chat I'm sure it's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13408313
Just recently downloaded streamlabs OBS and it's honestly garbage. I'm using streamelements now for the alerts and chat and overlay stuff, but OBS is the main program I use.

[Anonymous No.]

I have some very pipe-dreamish questions, probably the exact kind that /asp/ hates. But here goes.
I plan to start streaming in the next six months and I want to know if I'm pursuing this for the right reasons. I've never done Internet content creation before, but I having watched streams over the last few years and realizing how much natural charisma I have I feel like it is something I could succeed at. I get the feeling that I would enjoy it enough to make it my full time job, and I plan to tackle streaming with that in mind. I'm a man, so I expect to have to stream for a year or two before an application of mine would seriously be worth considering to a corpo.
My only hangup here is that I have a parasocial crush on my oshi, a streamer from one of the big two, and I want to be certain that I'm not letting that be my sole motivation for pursuing vtubing, specifically with a corporation. I know I'm reasonable enough to not be a creep in the entirely hypothetical circumstances that would place me near them, but I worry how this would affect my employment or relationship with management. Do I sound genuine enough, and do I have a realistic idea of what to expect if I were to pursue vtubing as a career?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13409696
>Do I sound genuine enough, and do I have a realistic idea of what to expect if I were to pursue vtubing as a career?
no. if you were serious you would have done the bare minimum amount of research to see if pursing this as a career is even feasible. if the goal is "career" you will not make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13409798
Fair enough. Where should I be reading this sort of stuff?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13409841
reading about what? if you're talking about content creation, just get started as a hobbyist streamer and see if it's something you can maintain for an extended period of time. if it's about growing streaming into a career, taking a look into the recent twitch leaks articles can give you a perspective of how difficult it is to make money as a streamer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13409882
>if it's about growing streaming into a career, taking a look into the recent twitch leaks articles can give you a perspective of how difficult it is to make money as a streamer.
That's what I was alluding to, yeah. I guess "career" is maybe a strong word; what I should really say is that I would like to make money streaming while I go through college. My entry-level job-hopping brain considers any job held longer than five years a "career"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13410047
https://twitch.fckdmca.com/
the average american income is $31k
you would have to be in the top 7500 streamers on twitch to make that much money.

and because /asp/ies will freakout about
>but technically donations and sponsorships!
yeah? let's see you hit partner and break 100 CCV before you even being to talk about that shit.

fact is that it is incredibly difficult and challenging to succeed as a streamer. even of those who started streaming as a hobby and later turned it into a career are in the 100s out of the millions that stream on twitch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13410193
>and because /asp/ies will freakout
I don't think anyone I've talked to from here would say that I'm gonna be honest
I agree though; you gotta go into this with a hobbyist mindset first and see where you can go from there
If you go in expecting to make it a career you will probably drown

[Anonymous No.]

>>13410193
Thanks for the feedback; I certainly don't disagree with anything you've said.

>>13410386
I'll definitely keep that in mind. I thought I already was but I can see how what I've shared doesn't really convey that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
I've love NSFW art of myself, but I'm a m*le, so solo NSFW/risque art isn't really a major thing? I mean, I could go for a shirtless pic, like a firefighter calendar style thing, I guess?

Otherwise, I'd have to get a partner for the picture, and I don't want to imagine DMing someone with "Hey, I wanted to get some NSFW fanart of me. Are you cool if my avatar gives yours a good dicking?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>13410555
This is a good point, either solo art or art with a faceless/undefined partner is best, to avoid awkward situations

[Anonymous No.]

>>13410555
I dare you to post your twt and I'll draw us fuckin

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411095
Who're you first? I don't want to get ass-fucked by Krimbo

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411576
2-view nobody senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411690
male or female?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411725
femoid enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411790
>femoid
the fact that you'd use this word is concerning. i'll pass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411816
>anon chuuba is scared of getting fucked in the ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>13411950
interesting may we have a sample of your work

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412539
Why anon? You wanna get boinked in the butt that badly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412690
just curious what your lewd work looks like

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412793
Alright, well it looks like this. https://imgur.com/a/winoSto

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412902
damn here I was hoping for futa chuuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412902
Brats like you are the ones that needs be drawn getting manhandled.

[Anonymous No.]

what am i supposed to be looking for when i rewatch my vods?

[Anonymous No.]

How does copyright shit with music work on Twitch? Nyanners starts literally every stream with really famous songs from the 80's-90's but doesn't seem to get taken down, but then I see other streamers the start clamoring to find the mute button whenever something they recognize starts playing.

For context I am a m*le interested in trying streaming. Would love to be able to start off streams with some bands I like to set the vibe, but I'm wondering if it's plausible. Also, how difficult is it to get decent at rigging? I haven't looked into it at all yet, but is it something that I can learn in like a few hours maybe or is it something that requires a vast amount of experience and time investment?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412902
you're getting bent over and spanked, brat, draw that

[Anonymous No.]

>>13413505
twitch doesn't care until it hits your vods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZwnD3tjhPO4
play music on your stream but make sure your VOD doesn't contain it. that way live viewers can enjoy it, but it doesn't end up in your vods and you don't risk getting hit with the dmca ban hammer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13412902
Cheeky fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
I want nsfw artwork badly but I'm also a loli chuuba so I can't put a tag in my bio without causing a bunch of avoidable drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13413742
AGGHH let me draw you

[Anonymous No.]

>>13410193
when you are from a shitty country you expect less, profit more

[Anonymous No.]

>>13413742
Why do you care about drama? It only helps people, worst case scenario it does nothing but upset people who have never heard of you and never wanted to watch you but are spreading your name all over the place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
i dont wanna
dont lewd my chara plz
I would feel like shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>13413958
why

[Anonymous No.]

>>13406486
I think it's inevitable and a part of the environment/culture of vtubing itself.
Take it as a compliment since they are not actually drawing you, people just liked your design or personality enough to want to fuck it.

In that topic, it's one of the reasons why I believe kayfabe should be more common. Do you guys think the seiyuu that voiced the most lewded character of a particular anime season ever loses sleep over it? I don't, because for them it was just another character they voiced for a job. It creates a distance between them and the characters that only the most autistic viewers could ignore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13413928
I don't give a shit what vtweeters think but I have severe anxiety and im extremely autistic, I can't handle anything drama related. I hate conflicts and I don't want anything to do with them.
also I'd rather have a viewerbase that isn't attracted by drama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414090
Oshi material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414153
more like ngmi material

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414237
Well, I'd sure like to be one of her two viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13413742
Oh thank you for being born
(This is bad I'm losing control)
Oh thank you for this moment
UUUUUUUUUUUUOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH T0T T0T T0T T0T

[Anonymous No.]

things that don't matter
>kayfabe
>design
things that do matter
>content
>entertainment value

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414586
>kayfabe doesn't matter
True
>design doesn't matter
Oh no no no no

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414586
Design matters to a point, but it's more like "You need a design that shows basic competence and good taste or you'll be debuffed" than "Pour absolutely all your time into your design to make something unique or your ngmi" like a lot of /asp/ies think

[Anonymous No.]

Anybody reading this thread know how many streamers there are with lich avatars out there? I'm planning on becoming one and the only one I know of is PapiFubar; I'm curious to see what other people's designs look like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414644
>>design doesn't matter
>Oh no no no no
>>13414670

a literal png snake made partner, what about you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414810
Are you concerned about the design or the concept? Because lich as a concept has a pretty wide range. You could just make an anime girl with skull hairpins and still sell it as a lich.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414886
And it doesn't disprove my point, it may be a png snake, but it's
1)Competitively drawn
2)In good taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414810
Just ask for a cute gloomy girl holding a skull that talks.
Boom. Great design.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414979
>1)Competitively drawn
>2)In good taste
now /asp/ies just making up shit to cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13415012
Let me reword it, it looks like it was drawn by someone who knows how to draw and isn't gross looking

[Anonymous No.]

>>13415077
>it looks like it was drawn by someone who knows how to draw and isn't gross looking
this doesn't matter because it's subjective. Little_S would still have gotten partner even with a scuffed snake model and would have been creative enough to work it to his advantage. and this still doesn't refute my point.

design doesn't matter.
design = literal snake
you're talking about art style. a snake drawn in any other style and Little_S would still be partner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13414924
Both, mostly the design.

>>13415005
I would, but I'm a guy and I don't want to be a babiniku. I have a deep voice and got a handful of people telling me to do BFE when I posted a recording here once so I'm going for an overtly masculine body with a skeletal face.

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>>13415150
That's not a babi though afaik, you'd be the skull in this case. What's definition of babi does this thread have, again?

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>>13415150
Why not go with a spooky ikemen kind of design to use that voice for BFE?

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>>13415149
That still doesn't refute my 2nd point, a design can be in bad taste and thus be a debuff

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>offer to draw things for people for free
>no responses
>tfw shit streamer and shit artist
it hurts /aspic/bros

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>>13415244
>a design can be in bad taste
let's see some examples. making up shit is easy.

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>>13415005
would something like this work for a duo? I want to stream with my friend and she has a really high pitched cutesy voice. she would voice the girl and I'd voice a cat she's holding or something like that. do viewers want to watch a duo of friends play? or am I better off streaming alone?

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>>13415278
I'll review anything

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>>13415252
Have you posted your art?

>>13415278
The uuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh red head girl from dragon maid season 2.

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>>13415311
that's a shit design to begin, but how is it "in bad taste"? and his biggest debuff is that he's boring as fuck.
>>13415319
>vtuber designs

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>>13415319
She's cute. Next.

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>>13415205
I thought you meant I would be the girl and not the skull; my mistake. That's clever

>>13415222
I'll give it a try. I got really hung up on the "he has to have a dead guy face" thing for whatever reason

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>>13415356
A shit design shows your bad taste

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>>13414886
a png snake is a unique concept, generic anime boy would be a debuff.

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>>13415469
>generic anime boy would be a debuff.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWL_9MaaMy8ObTDPmVHemjA
exactly. that's why a literal >generic anime boy in a hoodie is currently sitting at 800k subs on youtube

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>>13414886
to be fair little_s' png is both cute to look at and has a lot of different expressions its not like its the one jumping snake with its mouth opened and closed
>>13415356
this thread has shit on zylphe's design on a regular basis due to its inability to emote or express itself well and went through a whole arc shitting on masked vtubers though that extended to zylphe moreso because he doesn't use his mic

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>>13415457
Big, big factor. Strangely overlooked here.

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>>13415563
>this thread has shit on zylphe's design on a regular basis due to its inability to emote or express itself well and went through a whole arc shitting on masked vtubers though that extended to zylphe moreso because he doesn't use his mic
Zylphe is an exceptional case because everything about him is a debuff.

but content still wins out. LordCommanderChaos is another masked character that barely has moving eyes and no eyebrows to express emotions. but he's still entertaining enough to pull 100 viewers on average.

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>>13410555
im cool with your avatar giving mine a good dicking anon

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>>13415652
yeah i just took a look at his stream and i'd say his design is also really cool looking personally
paperbag is another example of someone who is /here/ with a very non expressive png that hovers around a 30 viewer average but still has a lot of people that support him because he's got good energy
in my opinion i'd say that when it comes to designs i'd say a bad design could be a debuff but its not something you can't overcome
i've seen krimbo's design get posted to this board outside of /vt/ multiple times and have heard so many people say his design filters them but he's still partnered despite how frequently i see people say he looks like a thumb

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>>13415703
Thanks Callie

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>>13416407
>i've seen krimbo's design get posted to this board outside of /vt/ multiple times and have heard so many people say his design filters them but he's still partnered despite how frequently i see people say he looks like a thumb
the thing that most /asp/ies can't get through their thick skull is the sheer number of potential viewers on the planet. they're sitting in this echochamber board and only looking at generic anime girls for years. the shit that filters /vt/ doesn't matter because there are millions of viewers out there who aren't going to be filtered.

/asp/ hits 70 unique IPs on a good day, /wvt/ hits 100 IPs. that's insignificant compared to the millions who are on youtube and twitch. this is why marketing yourself outside of 4chan is the only way for growth, but too many get stuck here.

your design really doesn't matter as long as your content is good. there will be people not from 4chan who will watch you because they like your content. /asp/ies need to get that through their retarded skulls.

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>>13415652
>LordCommanderChaos
Already popular prior to vtubing, in fact he LOST half or more of his viewers when he transitioned his content despite being boosted heavily by Froot (and potentially knowing her prior to VTubing as well) and other big streamers. All you really did there was prove a point.

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I bit the bullet today chat, and raided significantly upwards. Went with a party of 10 into a 90 view stream, and it's one I often tend to chill in, so it wasn't just chasing.

It didn't have the streamer yell at me. Which is nice.

I'm absolutely terrified from a raid I did early on, into a charity stream for something I support, but the stream was closing, and they just went off on "did you not think to check if I had my ending soon bit on? Why come in?"

It's literally taken me months to get over my menhera on this.

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>>13417361
>2view male seething
>bb-b-b--bbut they're not inclining
>still triple digit ccv
cope

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>>13416521
This. People are sleeping on tiktok especially. There’s SO many potential eye there it makes affiliate easy mode.

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>>13417444
I'm not coping or seething, I'm explaining that when he moved over to VTubing he lost a lot of viewership. I shouldn't even have to chant the fucking "CONTENT WILL PREVAIL" every single post because it's a given, but some things can be debuffs depending on if you can work with and your community. Why do people freak out every time actual facts about a streamer are brought up?

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How do you even shill yourself outside 4chan, /wvt/ is easy since I can just post and leave.
the ENVtuber tag is overused to fuck so literally nobody sees you there. And I don't like discord shilling.

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>>13417604
Shill on tiktok
Shill on Reddit
Shill on other chans
Shill on thematic forums
Shill on kiwi farms

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>>13417547
>I'm explaining that when he moved over to VTubing he lost a lot of viewership
no, you're misunderstanding or mischaracterizing what happens when initial meme hype dies down and attributing the drop in viewership to his content in bad faith. his core content is enough to pull 100 ccv after the initial hype died down. is your's that good?

>>13417604
youtube and tiktok
reddit is trash and there is zero discovery there
twitter is fine as a network tool but not for discovery

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>Look up what happens if you google my roommate's nickname
>Turns out i wasn't the only one with that nickname
>It's a kid that neither looks nor sounds anything like me
Anyone else blessed with a decoy?

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>>13416521
i literally was not disagreeing with you that it doesn't matter if your content is good or not; i just said that krimbo hit partner even with his design being the way it is
i was just using /vt/ as a local example but i'm absolutely certain that you'd find people with similar tastes on reddit and twitter; that's not an uncommon sentiment outside of the website. i've talked with normie friends of mine that watch vtubers and they also stated that they only watch vtubers for the cute girls and don't watch any males
i've talked with my female friends who gosling for holostars
you see both of those kinds of people here and elsewhere

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>>13417778
>i literally was not disagreeing
i'm not saying you were. i'm saying that this place is a retarded echochamber filled with incelfags and pedophiles jerking themselves off to cunny. using feedback from 4chan is retarded. especially when it comes to incelfags talking about their personal tastes in chuuba design and parading it around as holy truth.

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>>13417778
>even with his design being the way it is
Nothing is wrong with his design if your brain isn't rotted from only consuming anime and japanese media. people like cartoons, cartoons are popular. the only people complaining are people from /vt/ and similar anime-obsessed spaces.

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>>13417604
If you can find a subreddit that fits, and doesn't have a "no self-promo" rule, then post there. I'll also sometimes use r/virtualyoutubers. I've had *some* eyes on me through this, but mostly niche content (retro games with only a semi-active subreddit)

I have a folder of discords for other chuubas, and rotate through them one at a time to shill myself with a go live post.

I have another folder for 'small streamer' type discords, and shill myself in one of them each time.

Twitter go-live post. Use vtuber/envtuber to get some eyes on you.
Twitter twelve/six/[x] hour warning. Especially useful if you're doing something slightly out of the ordinary. Schedule it in advance (do this with lots of tweets, to be fair)

Post clips on twitter, tiktok, and youtube. Instagram works too, but it's a bit shit for cropping, you need to sort that yourself before. I'll also sometimes post clips on relevant reddits.

I'm tempted to do stupid shills for the sake of it - adverts on the side of a bus, for example. Or in a magazine.

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>>13417964
>and similar anime-obsessed spaces.
the thing is that that's pretty much the primary audience for vtubers at the moment; the only really big vtubers i can think of that uses more cartoony designs rather than anime designs i guess would be VOMs but they're still not like super cartoony.
i personally really like krimbo's design and am very happy that he managed to hit partner; i think people like him and like a good chunk of the fantasy ink vtubers did a good job capturing the vtuber audience looking more for those kinds of designs instead of more anime

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would you watch a dog futa vtuber

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>>13419465
yes yes yes where's the fat fuckin bulge

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>>13419465
okay but where's the bulge?
don't be a fag. if you say you're a trap or a futa you gotta show me the dick.

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>pee pee poo poo give benis
>thinking /asp/ has any actual advice worth listening to

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>>13419465
you weren't actually going to name her "momo" were you

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>spend like three days searching for references to make my model's hair because I'm not a real designer yet
>can't find anything I'm content with
>let it rest until I can sit to do another search
>find the perfect reference by accident while browsing rule34 days later
What are the vtuber gods trying to tell me?

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>>13420990
>What are the vtuber gods trying to tell me?
you should be looking for inspiration from anywhere and everywhere instead of just traditional resources

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>>13419465
>futa

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>>13419465
So it's a girl is what you're telling me

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>>13422865
Presumably with a fat dong tucked away