Anti-idolfags are adorable

[Anonymous No.]

I've been hearing from you faggots since days of yore in /vyt/, when you were posting shit saying "don't treat vtubers as something they're not" despite knowing full well the cause behind Ai's collapse and the cause of the rise of .LIVE, and then in /hlg/ where you nijiniggers posted years old maskettaman videos out of context, and proof of washed up relationships with washed up dancers(out of a job because his fucking dream got outsourced to fucking pajeets kek), all your PekoJun posting shamelessly ripped from 5ch alongside all those other interactions she had on NND that literally just proved how fucking autistic she was, and all the other shit that you tried desperately to cuckpost with.
But what happened? Hololive grew. Hololive exploded. Those vtubers clips gained traction but with Gamers and Sankisei leading the fucking charge in solidifying those Matsuri/FBK lipfags into actual viewers, the idolfags got to redefine the company and pander to the same fucking shit you were so scared of the entire time, and it worked with flying fucking colors.
They pandered hard, their roommates getting literal millions of overseas views, their lifestyles beginning to literally revolve around their streaming career and Cover followed suit with a full on brand correction to the point where now at least half the roster are often genuinely as busy as actual idols, but with that parasocial GFE you hate so much ramped up to 11.
And it fucking works too. It works so well that over time more and more of them keep falling to it. It works so well that by the time the EN Vtuber scene solidified, damn near EVERYBODY had an opinion on whether a vtuber had a boyfriend, and everybody knew that to knowingly have one was a debuff. You had to watch the entire landscape deform to exactly what you railed against it becoming before your fucking eyes. I was there telling you to fuck off back and the entire time afterwards. I was the one cheering on the idolfaggotry. I was the anti to the ones with boyfriends. I was the gachikoi telling Pekora and Marine not to collab with men in chat. I was the one harassing Holostars at first. I am a single guy but I laid my bricks building this wonderful you hate so much.

And now it's on /vt/, where a bunch of mutts cuckpost except this time they're mentally deranged incels about it. But they've been cuckposting for a year, and what's happened? Has the leaderboard changed?
No. Let's look at what happened. Idolfag and EOP darling Korone now does hard GFE ASMR. Rushia has fully evolved into the exemplar of long-standing success outside of trendhoppers. Pekora has only become more parasocial and dedicated to the idol route. Mrs. "first stream is with a dude" Shuba now openly panders to gachikoi and has done ASMR.
Meanwhile, the little side branches of Hololive that have failed to keep up with the pro-parasocial trend of Hololive proper? Floundering into obscurity as punishment.

You fought so, so hard against a meaningful future. You fought so, so hard against a better world, where idolfaggotry and purityfaggotry wouldn't succeed in vtubing.
And yet it's that same idolfaggotry which has clamped down on every conceivable metric of success with an iron grip, and for all intents and purposes has defined the rest of the medium for the foreseeable future, to the point where women interested in even simply attempting to succeed in this hobby have to be aware of the expectations placed upon them, and the consequences written on the wall should they fail to meet them; just look at the irrefutable decline of female nijisanji streamers .

I made this thread because maybe, just maybe, one of you is here. It doesn't matter if you're not, I made this post too long for the zoomer brained newfags on here to ever read. It's the ultimate defense
This is for you, the relatively even-toned 5ch-tier schizo anti who nonetheless still had the attention span for matome blogposts.
I just want to know. How does it feel? How does it feel to have love win right before your eyes? How does it feel to watch for almost 3 years now as idolfags invade and convert this hobby until the basic assumptions about it place it at a hairs breadth away from being actual idols?
How doss it feel that parasocial relationships are starting left and right, that women have their careers literally crippled for merely talking to men let alone dating one? How does it feel with more and more vtubers openly admitting that they're effec5ively dating their chat?

Does it hurt? Because I hope it does

[Anonymous No.]

Mucho texto

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Too much text.
But I'll just say anti-idolfags are mentally ill if they think the Hololive brand of idol-culture isn't the main reason they're so successful.

[Anonymous No.]

qrd?

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>>13002131
Didn't read but based

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Didn't read but cringe

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
TLDR

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>>13002131
Best post in the history of this board

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Don't care I love my wife

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
did not read but sorry that happened to you
post submersible bote

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>>13002131
Calm down, anon. 99% of the people you're r efering to in the first paragraph aren't here anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

Too much text and you sound WAY too mad about shitposters (how the hell do you remember every shitpost, it's not even like English speaking anons can do anything about Japanese vtubers, forget about MTL 5ch matomefaggots) but I have nothing against idols, especially after finding Aiba Uiha. She doesn't do hardcore GFE or putityfagging or any of that stuff. If people enjoy that side of idols, they are free to, and lucky to have a ton of that content, but please don't think all idols are like that or paint them with such a rigid brush.

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>>13002131

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>>13002131
If you really want people to listen to your argument make it more compact, nobody’s gonna read all this fucking text

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>>13002131
Didn't read, but is this about a new ALxHololive collab?

[Anonymous No.]

Oh, I love idols

[Anonymous No.]

read the entire post, you're still a faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Vtubers are idols and my girlfriends

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>>13002131
Too long. Didn't read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
hey its that clip that got me into hololive 2 years ago
I wonder if azur lane is still a thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
This, but unironically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
TLDR

[Anonymous No.]

Male viewers are not haunted by the idea that a chuuba is in a relationship. They're haunted by their lack of knowledge. People become paranoid about things they don't know and therefore have no control over, that's where a lot of rrat come from: the fear of being exploited and ridiculed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
This

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>>13002131
What are you gay? you acre about this stuff? very sad anon.

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>>13002131
based

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>>13002131
>one of you is here
nice essay, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

read all because my oishi is on the thumbnail and OP didnt mentioned her once. Fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

imagine typing this

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>>13002131
cope

[Anonymous No.]

This board is zoomer cringe, but I absolutely agree with you anon it seems that by going against the grain these Amit-idolfags unironically created the future that we have today and it’s nobody’s fault but of each respective person who called attention to trying to go in a “progressive route” that we inevitably ended up where these anti-gfe/idol dumbasses didn’t want

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>>13002131

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>>13002131
You're a newfag larping and threadreader, the only thing you proved is every other person in this thread who couldn't figure out you were bullshitting is also a newfag.

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>>13002131
>You fought so, so hard against a meaningful future. You fought so, so hard against a better world, where idolfaggotry and purityfaggotry wouldn't succeed in vtubing.
>And yet it's that same idolfaggotry which has clamped down on every conceivable metric of success with an iron grip, and for all intents and purposes has defined the rest of the medium for the foreseeable future, to the point where women interested in even simply attempting to succeed in this hobby have to be aware of the expectations placed upon them, and the consequences written on the wall should they fail to meet them; just look at the irrefutable decline of female nijisanji streamers .
vshojo numbers.jpeg

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>>13008813
If you bullshit that hard, you are being genuine. A genuine retard, that is.

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>>13005628
How are you being "exploited" if a person you rely on for entertainment is taken? You won't fuck them. If you watch them because of a false hope that you can date them and not because you get genuine entertainment out of them (aka none of the gay shit OP was talking about), you are mentally ill and a threat to the very people you watch.

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here's you (you)
sage

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>>13002131
Literal autism, I'm not going to read that. But I wanted to say that I only watch seiso idol LARPers and I don't care about the rest.

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>>13009211
Vtubers aren't real to begin with, and if they are not stating their status, then their are giving their audience subliminal messages, which enable their viewers to surf deeper into their own immersion realm, developing irrational attachment. Steamer rules exist, so the performers know what to do if they want to filter their audience, and not doing so means that they are open to these types of audience.

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>>13002131
I hope this is pasta. If not, some girl probably said to OP's face that he should touch grass and he got extremely mad.

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>>13002131
you're autistic. Get some help

[Anonymous No.]

seeing a lot of cope

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>>13002131

[Anonymous No.]

>sperging out this hard over a bogeyman.
Do GFEfags really?

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>>13002131
I agree with the title, didn't read the post.

[Anonymous No.]

Vtubing idolfaggotry is a fad that will never last once the second great depression kicks in. Have fun with whatever fruits you think your autistic crusade has contributed to this hobby of yours. The overseas viewers will dissipate once everything's back to normal and you're going to sulk as Hololive's influence wanes over time. Have fun with your momentary victory. Sooner or later, the hobbyist vtubers will come and reclaim these pastures once Hololive collapses. Vtubing will return to its roots once again and you will never able to do anything against it. By then, you will seethe forever in your dead hololive thread on /jp/ along with the touhoufags who hate your mere existence.

also sage

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>>13010189

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>>13002131

[Anonymous No.]

what is wrong with the people on this board

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>>13002131
Holy hell this is so fucking based
>I made this post too long for the zoomer brained newfags on here to ever read. It's the ultimate defense
Looks like it worked really well

[Anonymous No.]

>>13010347
woah a 2020 vtuber newfag so based! amrite?

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>>13002131
Wow cool! Too bad i ain't reading all this cope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Dont care. Vtubers are not idols.

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>>13010425
>woah a 2020 vtuber newfag so based! amrite?

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>>13010520
nice, you're already learning! Im surprised you haven't used your sojak folder this time

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>>13002131
Never have I spent less time reading a post

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>>13008392
Can someone spoonfeed me on who this guy is

[Anonymous No.]

I'm saving this as ironic autistic copypasta.

[Anonymous No.]

It would be actually funny if Holos would graduate one by one by the end of the next year and you'll forever screech on /jp/ as the Hololive general becomes another dead Idol thread. Eilene and her family will rise again from the ashes kikes on youtube and Square Enix burned

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>>13002131
>days of yore in /vyt/,
Newfag.

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>>13010763
>holofag is a newfag
no fucking shit sherlock

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>>13010559

[Anonymous No.]

Bezt post in the History of /vt/ WE GFECHADS RUN THIS SHIT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
>How doss it feel that parasocial relationships are starting left and right, that women have their careers literally crippled for merely talking to men let alone dating one? How does it feel with more and more vtubers openly admitting that they're effec5ively dating their chat?
>
>Does it hurt? Because I hope it does
why would that hurt? I wish it was as true as you claim, but different stykles are getting tracting at the moment sadly

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>>13011074
Getting traction*

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>>13002131
>Meanwhile, the little side branches of Hololive that have failed to keep up with the pro-parasocial trend of Hololive proper? Floundering into obscurity as punishment.

Like AZKi, who's only getting 10k viewers at her 3rd anniversary concert and how Sora had to effectively go half, if not full GFE to maintain some degree of relevancy? Truth.

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>>13002131
Not a /jp/ immigrant, and happy for Hololive's success, but you should proofread your posts. I know it's long and it doesn't matter or whatever, however there were a few spelling errors that broke the flow.
Also I wouldn't say that the non-pandering members are floundering, or to be precise, not all members that are struggling are members that don't do GFE.

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>>13009211
People value their emotional investment in things, and if they start suspecting that they are being deceived they will feel like their love is being exploited. Even if you think that these people are schizos they are a big portion of the vtuber audience, they are lonely people who get possessive of the things that they love. Like I said, it doesn't matter whether a chuuba is hiding a boyfriend or not. The only thing that matters is that chuubas won't confirm or deny anything because they are performing as characters whose existence are separate from their real lives. It's the ambiguity that gives room to speculation, and the speculation gets pretty intense when it's produced by emotionally vulnerable and lonely people. Look at how many rrats involve the fear that chuubas are laughing at the viewers behind their backs, or that their (imagined) boyfriends are laughing at the viewers. Doesn't that scream "low self esteem" do you?

>>13009699
What the fuck am I reading?

[Anonymous No.]

i can't wait to read a single word of any of this gay shit lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131

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>>13010189
>once everything's back to normal
Will someone tell him anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>all that text
>nothing said
yep this is the holoboard

[Anonymous No.]

>>13009108
>vshojo numbers.jpeg
Hololive sells the fantasy that you could be the one.
VShojo sells the fantasy that you could be one of many.

Either way, they're both selling the fantasy that you could bang the anime girl on your screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
エアプ

[Anonymous No.]

Not reading your shit, Idolfags can suck my dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>13015262
would be a first for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>13015312
>Implying your oshi even knows you

[Anonymous No.]

>>13015366
>implying his oshi doesn't know him
kek

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
tl;dr

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>>13002131

[Anonymous No.]

>>13003283
it's copypasta. report it and move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Holy hell this is so based that you made a ton of anti idol homos seethe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
>EOP darling Korone now does hard GFE ASMR
No, it's not GFE, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13019446
Sure it's not kek

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>>13002131
GFE is no different to Twitch ethotism.
Kill yourself in every universe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
>

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>>13010729
a Nip 2view blogger that made a reaction about Aloe's graduation that was translated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVhSRmoGehg

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
oke

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>>13002131
Didnt read lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>13020995
cope

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>>13023338
Not coping with anything because I didn't read the post

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>>13002131
They hated him because he told the truth.

[Anonymous No.]

So is OP going to be banned for replying to himself 30 times again? That was funny last time.

[Anonymous No.]

By all means, GFE is not mandatory and you can have a boyfriend.
But that also means you need actual talent to keep viewers interested.

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>>13024419
This is why Fauna is struggling, couldn’t keep her legs shut and doesn’t have any redeeming skills

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Take your meds

[Anonymous No.]

dear god that's a lot of (You)s

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Have another (You)

[Anonymous No.]

Based OP. "It's just entertainment" is the biggest rrat of all. This whole fad is sustained by emotional attachment above all else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13025405
If i wanted actual entertainment i'd watch a guy

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>>13002131
Absolutely based

[Anonymous No.]

>>13026540
Sarcasm?

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>>13002131
I am parasocial with my oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>13017476
Did I stutter?

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>>13002131
the reason these girls hook up behind the scenes is exactly because of restrictions.
forbidden fruit is more appetizing.
idolfags are retarded for not knowing this simple truth.
if u want ur oshi to not have a boyfriend allow her to collab with males. restrictions need to be healthy. all-out ban is doing more harm than good for idolfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

I support everything you said except the part about being a homo anti, it’s ok if you want them away but let boys be idols too, menheras need the same love substitute as you

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>>13002131
Too long, I'll wait for the movie to come out

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>>13002131
I skimmed it I'm not sure what the OP is saying is he gloating because idolfagging and purityfagging is a good reasonable thing and is here to stay (as it should be) (based) or is he cuck white knight posting about how shit sucks because vtubing didn't become an enlightened progressive "THESE WOMEN AREN'T YOUR PROPERTY INCELS" (a cuckfagfest)?

I think he's the former in which case yeah, based. Vtubers should be held to the standard of idols and forced to do shit like shave their heads as a dehumanizing punishment if they break these standards and virtues that their fans whose adoration and support is the entire reason they make as much as if not more than a doctor or whatever talking for being manchild babysitters, talking sweetly and playing videogames.

Vtubers for the extent of their career as such should behave as idols and give themselves entirely to their fanbase there is no room for men in their lives and they should be punished severely and only incentivized towards maintaining purity. At the very least an IMAGE of purity if nothing else. Adolf Hitler presented himself as the chaste hero of Germany for like 15 fucking years while seeing Eva Braun on the sly.

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>>13033289
im not reading that either

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TL;DR OP is a fag

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>>13033289
>all idols are AKB48 (under former rules)
Tell me how I know you're a thread reader

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>>13002131
thats a lotta words

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>>13002131
They're still getting fucked. Just because they don't talk about it or don't stream with dudes doesn't change the fact that somewhere out there is a guy who isn't you who is putting his penis inside of your oshi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13032896
the movie never gets it right

[Anonymous No.]

>>13043437
yeah, me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13043437
>there is a guy who isn't you who is putting his penis inside of your oshi.
I am he of whom you speak.

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>>13002131
I think a lot of girls just realize that a relationship with their chat is better than trying to deal with some schizo bf irl.
As the virtual world develops, this kind of relationship will become accepted throughout society. Chat will even be able to have some kind of gestalt virtual sex with their oshi and her genes will be available for purchase if you want to create a child with her.
The demand and technology for it is rapidly progressing.

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>>13047545
Bros would you buy one of your oshi's eggs to artificially inseminate knowing that you would have to raise the child without her help?

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>>13002131
Wait what the fuck how the fuck did this get so many (You)s
It's not like this was a shitpost or me baiting either, wow. I will read them all later to see how many of you actually managed to address it after reading it

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>>13033289
>skimmed it I'm not sure what the OP is saying is he gloating because idolfagging and purityfagging is a good reasonable thing and is here to stay (as it should be) (based)
This one

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>>13031841
I wasn't in the most reasonable mood when I wrote this
You're right and I agree 100%. I'll stand by any purityfag gachikoi, whether that's yumes or faggots or dyke yumes. They know what's up. A lot of them have been left behind in this scene so I would love for it to expand for them without infringing on already existent GFE.

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>>13024127
I have no fucking clue how it happened but I fucking swear prior to 15 minutes ago I had not been in this thread since I posted it

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>>13002131
tldr

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>>13052524
stop bumping your pathetic thread retard

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>>13019992
Being sexy is a offering physical things that have no great cost to offer
Being genuinely emotionally invested in your audience, wanting them to be with you, and being vulnerable with them, is a genuinely valuable thong to offer, and can often come at great cost. That's something even people in relationships often don't get.

E-thots and prostitutes offer you the promise of sex with a woman who doesn't and would never love you
"True" GFE offers you the promise of being loved by a girl who wants to have sex with you
One is an unwanted disgusting imitation of a real thing, the other is everything that makes the real thing meaningful except for the physical act
If it's fake though, obviously it's awful

[Anonymous No.]

>>13052667
Did you really just tell an anon to not do something?
How do you think that's gonna work out for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13019446
You're kidding, right?
Questioning Korone's idolfag/purityfag/GFE credentials is up there. Or did you miss Koronesuki rightfully bitching at mentions of men during her streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13017476
No it's not and what would you even report it as

[Anonymous No.]

>>13015262
Fitting that an antidolfag is a fucking faggot

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>>13002131
>Bigger numbers mean it's better than before
GFE and idolfagging is disgusting, not as much as these subhuman numberfags but still highly disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13053054
The Venn diagram between GFEtrannies and numberfags is practically a circle.

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>>13002131
right here ayamefriend!

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>>13011449
>but you should proofread your posts.
I thought this would get like 2 responses desu
>Also I wouldn't say that the non-pandering members are floundering, or to be precise, not all members that are struggling are members that don't do GFE
I think pretty much all members who both do GFE and are genuinely emotionally invested in their audience(specifically a codependence that imitates a vaguely romantic relationship; to an extent, you could say they almost use their audience for BFE) are successful in at least one major metric

I genuinely can't think of a failure.
Okayu, Korone, Noel, Pekora, Rushia, Marine, Aqua(especially pre-idol arc), Subaru, Kanata, Lamy, Nene, Flare, and Miko are the Holos I would consider to be solidly appealing to GFE and having developed a particular relationship
And each and every one of those stand out in either subscriber count(not super important y itself, but still), live viewer average, SC ranking, or some combination of those traits.

Others like Watame, Luna, and recently Sora are either approaching or adjacent.
Matsuri used to be, before she turned to the dark side.
Haato also was. I still remember that time where she was so convinced that she didn't want to do ASMR ever again....lol.

The only poor performer there is....Luna, I think? Sora did had a poor 2020 but once she started some more obvious GFE pandering and EOP pandering, those numbers started rising.

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>>13053054
>>13053143
I've watched/donated to GFE indies with 50 viewers, and my longest niji memberships are probably older than your presence in this hobby, so go return that retarded fucking strawman of yours back to the corn field you found it in and ideally jump into the front end of a combine harvester while you're there to spare the rest of us from ever having to deal with you ever again

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>>13011074
>why would that hurt? I wish it was as true as you claim, but different stykles are getting tracting at the moment sadly
Western vtubing as a whole, despite occasional positive metrics, is on a decline when looked at from the broader perspective. And of the hints of success we do see, how much of it is based around tilting so heavily away from traditional vtubing tropes(in particular, grifting larger non-vtuber e-celebs and their circles, and imitating their style/culture/attitude); these tangential viewers are very often the exact audience you do not want, because they WILL bail, they will bail soon, and when they cause their plummet, any of the channel metrics of yours associated with more natural discovery get atomized until you end up dead in the water, stuck with a slowly dwindling pool of viewers and forever doomed to be an orbiter of the in-group you used to get your 15 minutes of fame.

I've genuinely not seen any major alternative styles break out on their own strengths. If anything, those alternative styles existed before, and they'rve lost and are losing ground.

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>>13010763
I didn't care enough about Ai, Siro, Kaguya, Hinata, and Mirai to be autistic about them, I'm so sorry I missed the absolute shit show of vtuber threads on /a/ at the start and didn't get my dose of absolute fucking cancer

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>>13010750
>dead Idol thread
The irony is fucking palpable
Go do /jp/ archive reps on irl idol thread activity over time. Idolfaggotry is growing in every respect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13009882
I don't talk to women anymore because I'm keeping myself pure for my oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>13009922
GFE is my help

[Anonymous No.]

>>13008813
I subscribed to Ai within a month of her appearing, how much older can I actually get?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13010189
Definitely a short-lived fad
Just like idolfaggotry in Japan
>Have fun with your victory.
Already on it

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>>13009394
>announcing a sage
To be honest I like the idea of making (You) seethe by bumping this thread over and over just because I'm replying to actual on-topic (You)s to remind you of your failure, I wonder how many "people" I can get telling me to stop posting on 4chan

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>>13020920
Fucking kek

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>>13004685
An idol is quite a specific thing. Merely being a singer and dancer that does fan outreach does not an idol make. It's content, but also culture, behavior, and the nature of the relationship between an idol and fan.
Idols have always been married to their work, and the idols work is their fans and their shared journey throughout her career. Their work, which involves being an extremely attractive woman, who is single, and dedicated to being as attractive as possible to her fans, and "selling dreams". Her work, which is often so labor-intensive that her fans end up being one of her biggest if not the biggest source of social interactions and emotional connection in their loves.

I have nothing against performers who sing and dance, and I love a hard worker. But diluting the definition like this is trying to deconstruct the well-known parasocial cornerstone of idols, which is mostly what antidolfags love to do because they hate that an entire industry exists just to pander to people they don't like

[Anonymous No.]

>>13008218
I love Akwa, no joke!
2 years of membership very soon

[Anonymous No.]

It feels great to not be a pathetic incel.
Why yes, I never watch streams. How did you know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>13009211
Anybody that actually enjoys vtubers for entertainment has my deepest sympathies

[Anonymous No.]

>>13055390
Ah, like a prostitute that doesn't fuck you. Naruhodo.

[Anonymous No.]

Don't care, just watch funny clips and ASMR. Occasionally look up how a chuuba looks like IRL out of curiosity.
Dramafags can go suck dick.
1973.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13002131
Korone vids were recommended to me by youtube 2 years ago. Now I am a Marinefag. I am however a holoEN anti. Those filthy westerners don't have the same amount of dedication than the sophisticated japanese chuubas. I hope holoEN dies in a fire.

[Anonymous No.]

Also fuck americans, so many retarded americans posting "hurr more than 2 lines of text are too much for my mcfat-driven brain qrd plz"

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>>13024419
Tell the rest of the purityfags that. Hell, tell your pic related that. She was the one that kickstarted this shitheap of a community under Hololive by pandering to them when other companies groups were falling apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>13024904
Exactly I avoid her like the plague and I’m sure anyone else who’s heard the news does too

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>>13057295
ywnbj

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>>13002131
I didn't read all of that shit but fuck Mao Lane.

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>>13010750
>>13010189
>two m-more weeks j-just wait until hololive falls haha
KEK
Keep seething little shit if Hololive dies so is the vtubers fad

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>>13058835
Thinking you misinterpreted the message there
Oh well, if it's a war you want, it's a war you'l- OH WAIT YOU ALREADY LOST IT BWAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

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>>13056721
>prostitute
A prostitute is repulsed by her clients and despises them
An idol by definition is a dream and nobody dreams of being hated by their girlfriend

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>>13062610
>Hololive "dies" because of some theoretical Nijinigger treachery
>Nijiniggers cheer
>6 months later
>Nijiniggers oshis fall to double digit views
>Meanwhile, Holos now stream on roommates and still getting four digit view counts, most have their own custom Live2D now too
>Literally even more GFE than before
>Nijiniggers continue to seethe in perpetuity

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>>13002131
meds. now

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https://streamable.com/2synga

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>>13002131
nigga shut up we're trying to watch vtubers here

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>>13054435
First with "traditional vtubing tropes" it's easy to guess you mean Hololive way of vtubing. Which is what is losing traction in the west in fact, because it's not adapting. Meanwhile alternatives are growing, even most vshojo girls have been inclining pretty hard in recent time.

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>>13063530
>Moona meds
>For a post about GFE winninv
>Same Moona that shifted to GFE hard post Peko arc

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>>13063590
The issue is that right now Vshojo is being infused with traditional e-celeb twitch viewers
This ends only one way. Have you ever seen a popular streamer start dating a smaller female streamer on Twitch, anon? Do you know what happens tonthat girl? Her numbers blow up, big time. For a little while. And then comes the inevitable slippery slope all the way back down(sometimes even below what she had before). And god forbid there's a breakup.

Vshojos isn't growing, it's borrowing. But time is gonna come and collect at some point.

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Too many words for bragging about numbers. Go to your containment thread, virgin.

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>>13057265

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>>13063680
What? Who aside from ironmouse had any kind of regular interaction with one eceleb? Granted I don't watch them often to know but checking VODs I can't find much of that if any

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>>13063462
Both street and idol prosititutes despise their "clients" but if they're worth something they put up a face and pretend to like their client.

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Don't care
Didn't read
Take your meds

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>>13002131
in short
>i like to be lied to, also i preffer lies instead of genuine interaction, im whorehadly convinced that this chuuba who act like she cares to gather lonely human garbage like me, you know reality is often dissapointing.
also for someone who spew this shit and claim supremacy, a man voice or a hand can instantly destroy your reality, quite fragile "love" you have there

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>>13009211
Based and truth pilled. Got 1 and a half wall of text replies from seething GFE fags. It's the most cucked shit I've ever seen, pretending a virtual anime girl is your girlfriend and sending money under the pretense that she's single and pure. What's worse is they claim they aren't cucks and that YOU are the cuck for sending money to taken women, not realizing not everyone is so easily departed of their money as them and that they are cucks because they're giving women money with virtually no strings attached. Women who have a 99% chance of having a boyfriend anyways. Free entertainment chads keep winning.

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Didn't read lol but I miss the Hololive Azur Lane collab and I still pray for a rerun

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"vtubing" or whatever is its name at any given time is just using a virtual avatar, sure it got a boost with the specific usage "cute anime girl acts as your surrogate girlfriend" (openly or not it's always implied) but like all trends it'll lose traction, already more entertainer types are starting to do well, and later I hope it's not limited to something just weeb-friendly, there are many uses to controle elements of the screen with your body, like just out of my head a heartbeat counter whose data can be linked to an overlay that make the whole overlay on screen more oppressing or start applying corruption artifacts to the whole thing.
Or something with music, hand tracking and mixed reality can get some pretty impressive stuff going on you couldn't get in a live performance on stage.

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>>13024904
I was about to start watching her streams but I don't want to be a cuck. Tell me what happened.

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>>13066500
Me, her boyfriend, got pregnant with her twins.

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attracted a bunch of tourists nice. must be good bait. but idolchads always wins

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>>13002131
>I made this post too long for the zoomer brained newfags on here to ever read. It's the ultimate defense
lol you really got them with this
absolutely based

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>>13002131
Jesse, what the fuck are you talking about

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>>13066500
she has a boyfriend.
it seems like she was trying to do some gfe type thing before it was found out

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>>13067372
>it seems like she was trying to do some gfe type thing before it was found out
she still is she is just being more subtle about it with the mommy angle.
what a disgusting thot.

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>no one was taking the bait so he's replying to himself

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>>13031344
ah yes, putting your penis in a high quality blender is difficult. therefore all the more the allure of those sharp blades making mince of your meat. good one retard.

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>>13067735
schizo-chan?

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>>13067796
I maybe a schizo, but at least I'm not a /vt/ sister like you.

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>>13033289
you don't need any of that cringe pro-activity/restrictions even. people who are exposed as hypocrites get shit on. and vtubers are nudged into gfe/idol/purityf*gging.

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>>13052461
it's not an unfounded instinct. people just can't separate most holostars from holomem even when they are in technically different brands - it would help if they were completely mutually exclusive (no collabs). but imagine the other companies that outright put intersex generations out.

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>>13057265
the fire rises.

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>>13064430
that anon used the analogy wrong. but the idea of that analogy is that the smaller streamer who interacts with the bigger streamer gains viewers who are dependant on their interaction, the small streamer then gradually panders to the things the shifting audience asks for.

and then the parallel that anon was trying to make is probably: western vtubers are gaining streamer audiences as against vtuber audiences and they shift their styles to fit their audience: which itself has shifted to wanting a more streamer-style.

and then something something competition changes and these new type of vtubers get btfo'd somehow. its more likely a new type of streamer emerges (avatar streamers).

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>>13063358
Lose what? I never lost anything.
It's the people superchatting that lost.
Sorry, I'm not retarded and think I have a chance with some girl streaming on the internet. That's for permavirgins.
I watch streamers for the plot, not the PLOT.

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>>13002131
unironically based

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>>13002131
Based thread OP.

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Good thread.

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>>13024904
>struggling
What

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>>13070690
Don't mind him, numberfagging is a terminal disease.

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>>13002131
>How doss it feel that parasocial relationships are starting left and right, that women have their careers literally crippled for merely talking to men let alone dating one? How does it feel with more and more vtubers openly admitting that they're effec5ively dating their chat?

Feels pretty good, i didnt read anything of what you wrote but that

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>>13002131
Basado

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>>13002131
Mucho texto

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It's funny because OP does not believe a single thing he says. Mid-tier bait at best.

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>>13074101
how much?

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>>13002131
Aqua stream please

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>>13055390
Uiha doesn't pander to unicorns but still considers herself an idol. And she is one. She sells that dream of a girl who wants to be on stage and dance with idols (and she has) and doesn't need to pussyfoot around and discard all notions of men for her audience. Not my fault you think all idols are AKB48 circa 2013.

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am i the only one who's uncomfortable when Korone does GFE shit? like fuck, give me the eekum bokum dog back

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>>13055489
As opposed to what? Self-inflicted misery?

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>>13002131
>man... i love being lied to.

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>>13079233
Get used to it she is never going to go back to your grey ass needs anymore

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>>13055390
Industry bootlickers are the worst, next you're going to tell me it's fine that Korea breaks the backs of children to mold them into idols because it's "an industry classic"
You know nothing of the idols who experiment with the medium or even companies that don't do no-date law, you don't even know what the draw idol is if you think it's about being single. It's about the journey of a hard working girls dreams. Not pandering to delusional fans.

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>>13079378
anon, any discussion with gfe/idolfagg is pointless, reason is, they are genuinely, i mean fully convinced their oshi loves them, unconditionally

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>>13079480
I mean this guy thinks idols are isolated and only the fans can give them social support yet he's probably a Hololive watcher, and the idols there have friends aside from chat. He is a very confused individual, I don't even know if he's aware of the content he watches.

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>>13058936
ywnbw

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>>13079378
>It's about the journey of a hard working girls dreams
Everybody on this planet works hard to achieve their dreams

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>>13082010
So? Every accountant on the planet reads numbers, are they the same as 5 year olds learning math?

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>>13004819
Op is pomu

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>>13002131
Negro que coño? Esto es mas largo que mi pija

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>>13079262
Would you rather be miserable or feel nothing at all?

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>>13082194
nothing obviously

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>>13082047
Finding love is actually dreamlike, pursuit of goals is very mundane and only tangential to the actual dream part of being an idol.
It's about the dreams of the audience and the idol, dreams that involve them both, that make it magical.

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>>13082218
Congratulations, you're not even human.

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>>13082274
Nonsense, you were just taught by a faggot

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>>13082252
Where did you learn this shit? Love Live?

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>>13082252
>pursuit of goals is very mundane and only tangential to the actual dream part of being an idol.
Keep proving you know nothing about idols or what being a fan of idols is. You are shitting on the core of being an idol.

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>>13082274
Try finding out your brother was a peado, going to school and have your childhood friends shout insults at you when you're far enough away, or have strangers shout it from cars when you're going to the store.. 10 years later people from your hometown are still weird to you, would probably be doing the same thing as before but internally.
You clearly don't even know how miserable people can get.

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>>13082274
>everyone has to feel the same as me
Narrow minded American.

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>>13082433
just shoot up a Walmart

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Some of these women can't get boyfriends anymore and their cats can't talk back, so it's pretty much a real relationship with their viewers.

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>>13082354
rrat: A lot of these people who are saying this are newfags who entered the scene afther the Love Live/Granblue collab """""yabe""""" and are pretty much parroting points they've only heard about on the English granblue reddit, so you end up with people saying shit like that.

Unironically, by thinking they are the only ones that can save the girls from the industry, they pretty much become the very unicorns they hate.

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>>13083063
I was a grubfag back then and no one who is watching vtubers even knows about that "shitstorm" and by "shitstorm" i mean a bunch of angry men tweeting that their 2D idols were being put next to 2D men. I don't think anyone here even knows what Love Live or Aikatsu is. You are overestimating the weeb knowledge of any of these pretend unicornfags. They think themselves the same as honorable JP schizos when they don't even understand the words that are coming out of their oshis mouth.

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>>13082356
You have literally no clue what being an idol is and that's why alternative """idols""" will NEVER be accepted as actual idols

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>>13083339
No, youre a newfag who learned about idols on /vt/ and think they're just prepackaged geishas for your entertainment, I bet you don't give a shit about any of your oshi's accomplishments on her journey to being an idol, you're just sitting around waiting for her to tell you she loves (You) specifically
The journey and adoration you have for her to finally reach her goals is the whole fucking point, not cooming to her voice. Why would she be an idol if not for that? Just debut perfectly, with no aspirations?

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>>13082292
>a faggot
>implying the ultimate cowardice of desiring nothingness in any way is not the ultimate faggotry
>>13082433
I haven't talked to my biological father in 20 years but I still have scars from him, watched my grandmother die while begging me to save her when I couldn't, my grandfather was literally poisoned, I was nearly killed in an abusive relationship like twice

I still knew then and know now each and every second that this life does not fucking deserve my giving up. Being a faggot is a choice you make.
>>13082463
Your penis is narrow
And also I'm half Ruski half American, the very concept of giving up does not exist in my mind

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>>13083280
>Aikatsu
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. Is that still ongoing?

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>>13083517
It's funny that this false dichotomy is always where it ends up with you people
It is a relationship because just like in a relationship you want to grow alongside your partner
>coom
retard
>No, youre a newfag who learned about idols on /vt/
I was complaining about newfags before /hlgg/ and not long after /hlg/ but ogey

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>>13083660
>no comment on any other aspect of an idol other than his own selfish relationship delusion
Yes, you are a wretched newfag. You think idols were made on /hlgg/? Cute.

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>>13083545
>I still knew then and know now each and every second that this life does not fucking deserve my giving up. Being a faggot is a choice you make.
Whats that got to do with feeling nothing being better than being miserable?
You don't think nothing means dead right?

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Tl dr I was busy fucking your mom while you were typing that.

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Why is Sana fighting C-Roa?

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>>13002131
Thanks for the copypasta