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12983250 No.12983250 [Reply] [Original]

Be honest, how popular would they be in hololive?

>> No.12983319

>>12983250
They don't need Hololive to be popular

>> No.12983437

Selen would have a million subscribers at this point if she had debuted in council

>> No.12983616

>>12983437
Everyone in Hololive gets a million free subscribers.

>> No.12983625

>>12983250
Selen easily

>> No.12983667

>>12983616
Sana...

>> No.12983738

>>12983250
Selen and Pomu would be massive but people are sleeping on Wosemi. It's so obvious NijiEN vacuumed the top talent up before Cover could get them and it sucks.

>> No.12983917

Petra wouldn't be popular because because doesn't pander to people doing 69, 420, deez nuts, and so on.

>> No.12984004

>>12983250
10x as popular as they are now but 10x worse quality wise

>> No.12984116

I feel like Elira would be popular. She is probably the most holo-like out of the lot of them. Doesn't lean on crude humour. Very warm and friendly, loves her chat so much she is basically co-dependent on them. Strong singer. Probably the most approachable of the group for normalfags. Having someone that puts the amount of effort she does into having long streams would be a novelty too.

>> No.12984193

>>12983917
wrong, she'd be treated the same way mythfags treat Ina

>> No.12984601

>>12984193
You're talking about how they treat each other, not how viewers would like the streamer.

>> No.12984877

It depends when they debut. Myth lucked out with the timing, so everyone there could easily get 1mi. After that they're fucked. I could see Selen growing fast, Finana getting some viral yabai clips and becoming popular, and Pomu could also do well with some collabs or if she is allowed to do those crazier contents (date, evil Pomu). Those 3 would probably be around 500-750mi, and with good chances to surpass Kiara and Ina next year.

>> No.12985236

Petra would be mocked for cursing, bitching back at her chat that wants to bully her, shitting on any anime she hates, shitting on DBZ fans and Persona 5 fans, etc. Then management would force her to stop because the fanbase would freak out. Then she'd become very fucking boring.

>> No.12985824

>>12985236
Holy shit. She is basically /a/ incarnate. Subbed

>> No.12985873

>>12983250
All would be in the 300k-600k subs range.
Petra wouldn't be the lowest.

>> No.12985932

Rejected for a reason

>> No.12986606

>>12983917
she wouldn't be popular because she's a chink

>> No.12986668
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12986668

I just want Enna and by proxy Millie
What a great coup by Niji getting those two

>> No.12986879

Selen would be massive.

>> No.12986885

>>12983250
all kiara level at best

>> No.12986906

>>12983250
Roseami would be the first one ever fired after debut for being a fucking annoying cunt. God damn I hate her.
Petra would probably be in the same space as Ina or mumei. Selen would litterally be Ame. Pomu would be much more boring but the discord sex between her and Kiara would be amazing. Elera sure does exist. Feesh would be absolutely hate /here/ but maybe become the most popular because she's so yabe omg clips!

>> No.12987072

>>12985824
Not to shill her membership or anything but she tore into Weathering with You calling it shallow as fuck.

>> No.12987262

>>12983616
t. retard
more like 500k after the boom
myth was an exception

>> No.12987350

>>12984193
you clearly know nothing about takodachi or even ina herself

>> No.12987545

Hard to say because they'd have to behave as sanitized / altered versions of how we see them now.

>> No.12988434

>>12983250
If they debuted as Council, with a model changed out, then Council could be a branch with a solid 500K by now for each member. They're far more passionate about streaming and Hololive EN would see less dead hours, more streams.

The packed schedule aside If Selen couldn't stream regularly with outsiders, non-vtubers or acquire game permissions where'd our prideful dragon be? If Finana couldn't be a 'seiso' and 'pure' mermaid would she have as much attention as does now? And if Pomu couldn't talk about her otaku side, office life she would hardly be the weebish OL we know. These are just my thoughts on a few.

As I said they'd probably have done better than Cover's choices, though would they really be happy in the position?

>> No.12988618

>>12983250
Everyone would be thousand times more popular at Hololive even if you put an actual trash with trashcan model that it's quirk is not moving at all and just stream an hour daily. The fans wouldn't mind because it has the HOLOLIVE name ironed on the trashca. Just look at Omega.

>> No.12988816

>>12987072
Accurate opinion. It was literally a rehash of Your Name in many ways. Shinkai sold out hard

>> No.12989330

>>12983250
Literally all of them would be neutered and sanitized too hard by omega and other management restrictions that they basically wouldn't be the same kind of streamers as we know them now.

Pomu would be told to not emphasize wotagei as much because it's seen as rude and offensive.
Elira is far too much of an unironic fujo for the HoloEN audience, and wouldn't be as happy/active without all of her friends in Lazulight and Ethyria.
Finana just absolutely could not be herself in Hololive. And she's getting the opportunity to basically be an ambassador for Honkai, which would be impossible in post-Taiwan yab Hololive.
Rosemi would not be able to do most of her shorts or creative content as its too alienating or weird. Her gachimuchi parodies would be immediately turned down.
Selen also just couldn't be herself, with her level of banter and frankness. She'd also lose out on all of the chances she's had to collab with a wide variety of indie and other company vtubers.
Petra probably has the best chance to adapt, but she is very strongly opinionated and strict with her chat. This kind of approach historically doesn't work well in Hololive (like Anya).

>> No.12989454

>>12989330
How is wotagei rude and offensive?

>> No.12989724

>>12983250
Elira- Ame level
Pomu- Ina level
Finana- Mori level (live views not subs)
Rosemi- Bae level
Selen- Mumei level
Petra- Kiara level

>> No.12989790

>>12983250
Elira and Pomu would do okay
Either way the best nijiEN is now Enna, I'd take her in holo easily

>> No.12989868

>>12983250
Hololive girls get 200k+ subs before debut, so its safe to assume that they would be at the very minimum more popular than they are now.

>> No.12990027

>>12989868
Sana's more popular than all of them so that's a given. Selen's best streams just barely pass Sana and Kiara's bottom of the barrel ones.

>> No.12990034

>>12989790
Enna won't go anywhere without Millie though. So, Cover would need to take her in as well.

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>>12989330
>Petra
>very strongly opinionated and strict with her chat. This kind of approach historically doesn't work well in Hololive (like Anya)

I don't watch either of them. Strict how? Like overly bitchy? Or do they simply not tolerate chat acting like retarded niggers?

>> No.12990336

>>12983250
Around the same amount as the council, since both the council and NijiEN felt like safe picks.

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12990405

>>12983250
The girls, their personalities, and their character design stopped mattering with the debut of Holomyth. You could put anyone behind any avatar and they would have been the wild success that they are now.

>> No.12990592

>>12989790
Enna would only be fine if she focused on singing. As a general streamer she isn't really that entertaining, and her normal speaking voice is very grating on the ears.

>> No.12990684

>>12983250
More like how lifeless and soulless they will be in hololive

>> No.12990695

>>12984004
nijiniggers are so delusional lamo

>> No.12990808

>>12983667
kek the Prism dog is going to pass her before she reaches 1M

>> No.12991590

>>12983250
Why would you want compare them to NC-17tubers?

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12992275

>>12990314
Knowing how most vtuber chats are, it's probably the latter, desu It probably goes like:
>chat backseats, spams, and goes "YABAI" at anything slightly suggestive
>"chat can you please chill?"
>"WHAT A FUCKING BITCH HOW DARE SHE TELL US NOT TO ACT RETARDED"

>> No.12992822

>>12989454
5ch schizos think wotagei is obnoxious, I think that's what is being referred to

>> No.12992948

>>12992822
So nothing that would matter to an EN audience, ok

>> No.12993259

>>12983250
Elira would take off with a larger platform like Hololive, she's got a little bit of everything to appeal to a large variety of viewers and it's why she's been so successful within NijiEN. She can sing, she has the endurance skills of Korone & Lulu, she's charismatic, her voice is cute, and she welcomes the parasocial relationship.

>> No.12994094

>>12992275
Kronii's found a sweet spot for the carrot/stick with her bond level system where if the chat isn't obnoxious as fuck, they get points towards rewards. Likewise if they are, they get points docked.

>> No.12994156

>>12989330
>>12989724
I still think Selen would find the most success given there isn't a tomboy in Hololive, Ame attempted, but failed.

>> No.12994528

>>12983437
now that's just the ultimate cope

>> No.12994576

>>12983616
sanner....

>> No.12994609

>>12994156
Some success, but Apex isn't hugely popular with Holo watchers and she wouldn't get to do any collabs outside of Holo. So she'd be stuck with JPs that play Apex without being able to speak it herself, the handful of shitters in ID that play it, and Ame who's pretty mediocre and doesn't even stream it anymore. And Holostars.

>> No.12994672

>>12985236
Hmm.... Anya-Petra Global might actually be unto something.

>> No.12995015

Talk about overrating your talent. Kek. There's a reason why G-leaguers and 10-day shitters aren't in the NBA. They didn't make the cut because they weren't good enough, simple as.

>> No.12995637

>>12995015
NBA and other sports leagues pull new talent from the minor leagues all the time. Hololive only picks a handful once a year.

>> No.12995677

>>12994609
holyshit imagine the spiral of depression Selen would go if she was on council
permissions, apex with only ollie, roboco and choco (the rest are too autistic do collab)
and then her mom thinking her daughter is now a idol and attempt to intrude more in her livestreaming

>> No.12996391

>>12995637
Every player worth a damn gets drafted either in the first or 2nd round. Yeah you get the occasional undrafted guy or G-leaguer that makes waves but the chances of any of those players being stars, let alone superstars, are slim to none. Big Ben is the last one I can remember who actually made a difference
>>12995637
As if their supposed freedom has done anything for them. I'm sure the hahaha dragon is happy to stay in NijiEn since she likes being the tallest girl among midgets. Just like how shed rather bully her genmates in Apex than get her shit pushed in again in an actual tournament.

>> No.12996661

They wouldn't be half as good as they are now because Omegatranny would push his gay lore bullshit on them and restrict what they can say and who they can play with.

Take Selen, for example. Her best collab to date was with Bonnivier who is not only a male but more than happy to oblige her with back and forth trash talk. Holobronies - or at least the ones that didn't immediately tune out after hearing a male voice on stream - would take it personally when someone screams "FUCK YOU" at their chuuba and they'd probably become unironic antis and ruin his career. This is just one example I could make out of many, the only one out of those six that would actually fit in very well at Hololive is, ironically enough, the ultimate Nijifag, Petra.

>> No.12996904

>>12996661
>Best stream is with a NijiID 2view shitter
>My hahaha dragon is so much better because she can curse and say fuck while playing APESEX
So what you're saying is Selen is a diet VShoujo.

>> No.12997465

>>12983250
Way more popular. They could finally focus more on streaming instead of being forced to release non-stop voice packs all the time. I really hope Rosemi could get a break from it.

>> No.12997543

>>12984193
ina may be subdued but she's not a boring prude like petra is

>> No.12997565

>>12983319
Sure they do. Pomu has been complaining a lot about her numbers as well as being forced by her management to do things she doesn't want. Niji girls really need less restrictions in order to flourish.

>> No.12997622

>>12997565
What exactly did Pomu do that she didn't want to? Sounds made up to me.

>> No.12997673

>>12983437
Sadly, Selen is a one-trick pony. She's a surplus talent. She doesn't add anything to the group considering Botan is way better than her with less toxicity and more maturity.

>> No.12997738

>>12983738
Holos don't want backstabbers tho. Rosemi fucking over Tsunderia is bad optics no matter how people try to spin it in her favor.

>> No.12997800

>>12995677
Niji don't have unlimited permissions, they can only play a handful of things that Holo can't (chink shit and maybe like Dark Souls?) It's still a Japanese company streaming on a platform with permanent VODs and overzealous DMCA bots.

>> No.12997823

>>12983917
Petra is a bad streamer. Alienating EOPs just because she's a chink is so unprofessional. She should speak more in English instead of Japanese.

>> No.12997886

>>12997673
Selen and Botan don't even appeal to remotely the same audience. Speak different languages and Botan doesn't play Apex.

>> No.12997999

>>12997622
Watch her streams you tourist. Their MK arc is just horrible overall. Management should stop forcing things on their talent especially if it's related to stream content because that's basically what these chuubas expertise lie in.

>> No.12998024

>>12997738
They literally headhunted 2 of Council talents from smaller companies, they don't give a fuck. Rosemi wouldn't get in because she's not that good of a talent and is ESL with a speech impediment.

>> No.12998029

>>12997673
Selen was hired to appeal to the apex audience. And she can't even do that right either. Basically, EN Kuzuha without the charisma who's only propped up by surrounding herself with people even more inferior than her.

>> No.12998124

>>12997999
Sounds like something you just made up. Pomu likes doing stuff with other Nijis, even if the game isn't her particular favorite, she never turns down collabs.

>> No.12998158

>>12986668
Both have subpar talent and everyone knows it. Doesn't help that Millie has a weird accent and her voice doesn't match with her model. Enna should have gone with the Vsinger route but considering the competition, she's well overmatched by her peers.

>> No.12998176

>>12983250
Considering you posted a image of 2 chinks, 2 of them would never be accepted in the first place. Nobody gives a fuck about apex in hololive so selen would be joining anya in the lowest ccv average in the company somehow being lower than azki that never streams. Elira and Finana literally would have 0 content as they only play chinkshit impact which is also has its streaming rights revoked in hololive. No idea what pomu does but I know she cant sing so she wouldn't even break Sana tier subs

>> No.12998351

>>12987545
I really dislike that NijiEN management forces their talents to act like uncultured swines just to garner interest. Have you seen their twitter interactions? So much peepee poopoo jokes you'd think they're a bunch of high schoolers, but they aren't. I wish they'd act their age.

>> No.12998387

>>12998176
Coco was overrated and I'm glad she was forced to graduate. She wouldn't even last in Nijisanji with the content she likes to produce.

>> No.12998479

>>12998124
I take it that you haven't seen her latest streams and her rant about being forced to play MK collab by the management?

>> No.12998630

>>12998479
>>12997999
Based threadreader and dramafag
Your shit didn't work in the other thread so you just try it again here

>> No.12998803

Looks like the Nijiniggers are finally getting their reality checks. None of this girls are special. There have been TW indie streamers who average more viewers than Selen. Fucking Nimu is an indie that can get numbers on par with HoloEn and thats with her 3d model debuff (seriously, that thing is fucking hideous). If your so called star talent's best skill is being "good" at a game where she gets her shit pushed in during tournament, then your branch is doomed. No wonder that Stacy Hoshikawa didn't even bother to continue her leeching once she realized that NijiEn was just a slightly better NijiID.

>> No.12998839

>>12983250
People need to understand that there's a huge difference in streaming for sub 1k people and above 10k consistently. Even Mito confessed how she vomited because of pressure. NijiEN girls by default couldn't match Holos precisely because they're playing on a very different stage. This is something that they need to learn first but it's still doubtful if they have enough talent for it.

>> No.12999368

>>12983250
Petra would get such a big buff, I despise Mumei and early Gura, being cute and shit but hololive fanbase eats that shit up.

>> No.13002078

>>12998839
The problem is Niji just doesn't have the pull Holo has in base numbers.
I imagine even nerfed, all the niji girls would have superior numbers if they worked for Holo

>> No.13003866

>>12997565
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
> Niji girls really need less restrictions in order to flourish.
lol

>> No.13003915

>>12997673
>>12998029
>Highest stream numbers from non-Apex games
Rratchamas...

>> No.13004309

Pomu, Selen, Elira and Rosemi are all obviously better than all council members except tits clock

>> No.13004362

>Selen joins Hololive
>Can't collab with Uto, Quchan, Pochi, Vshojo
>Can't collab with rpr, shrimp and apex pros, because "male"
>Can't swear and banter, because holoniggers skin is made of paper
No, thank you.

>> No.13004483

>>12983250
They would be as popular as they are right now. Company doesn't matter, it's all about how good they are, Hololive isn't a free pass to success, just look at Sana.

>> No.13004575

>>13004483
Sana is bigger than 98% of EN vtubers out there. You're beyond retarded if you think she would get 3k+ people watching those fucking horoscope streams if it wasn't for her brand.

>> No.13004614

>>12989330
Elira is unironically fitting right in with hololive, her content and personality is literally hololive-lite

>> No.13004635

>>13004575
Sana provides unique interesting content never done before and she's objectively better than the rest of NijiEN. Maybe they should try harder instead of making excuses.

>> No.13004711

>>13004635
>being a basic ass bitch into horoscope
>unique interesting content never done before
My sides.

>> No.13004714

>>13004362
>Can't collab with rpr, shrimp and apex pros, because "male"
What the fuck are you talking about? Cover doesn't restrict anyone's ability to collab, it's their own decision to not collab with some undesirable people.

>> No.13004744

>>13004483
>200k subs before even speaking a word
Brand has everything to do with it.

>> No.13004765

>>12983437
Selen wouldn't have nearly as many perms for the games she's played and new ones would be slow in coming. She'd end up mostly streaming *pex.

>> No.13004770

>>13004714
have your (you) already, maybe someone will bite.

>> No.13004854

>>13004770
Suisei can collab with Roberu, Choco and Roboco can collab with Astel, and Towa can collab with literally any male streamer on the planet.

>> No.13004903

>>12998839
>Even Mito confessed how she vomited because of pressure
That was the time she was streaming with 40k+ views every stream when the 2nd highest view stream only had 4-5k views, it's like streaming with 200k-300k views every stream today

>> No.13004942

>>13004854
Are those EN vtubers?

>> No.13004948

>>13004362
I was going to disagree with you but you all my counterpoints are on the ID and JP side and not EN.

>> No.13005122

>>13004942
Mori collabed with Rikka and some western E-celebs. There's literally no restriction whatsoever and the EN branch is no different. The EN girls don't collab with male or any outsiders because they're scared of losing their paypiggies.

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>>13004362
???

>> No.13005555

>>13004942
With the shit Mori does I don't want to hear people claim that EN is any different from the other 2 branches when it comes to collabs

>> No.13006191

>>13005555
Ah yes, Hololive's direct competition, a small EN vsinger and a couple of JP vsingers.
Oh, and her once a year collab with ironmouse.

>> No.13006261

>>13005122
I know you were waiting for this. Explain why Kiara can't collab with Pomu.

>> No.13006358

>>13005319
funny that you post Ollie, because I'm pretty sure their management blocked a collab with Selen.

>> No.13006360

>>12998839
Yes, cause Holomyth has been all talent so far

>> No.13006493

Brand is all that matters in the west so they'd be popular. People go to the brand they like first and then make up whatever excuse they need to justify why this [BRAND] is better than that [BRAND]. If you looked through all of
>Tsunderia
>PRISM
>Kawaii
>Cyberlive
>Phase
Or whatever other groups anons would easily find girls they like there too, but none of those girls have the [BRAND] that Nijis and Holos have so they don't have the exposure.

>> No.13006589

>>13006261
Didn't she said her management was asking for a ridiculous fee? I don't know man but NijiEN has definitely put up a new guideline for collabs seeing they blocked Millie's collab with one of her senior.

>> No.13006618

>>13006589
>fee
Collab fees are shitposts, anon

>> No.13006711

>>13006493
At least NijiEN actually collabs with those other groups instead of pretending they don't exist like HoloEN.
A Niji is having a collab with a WACTOR chuuba of all groups, tomorrow.

>> No.13006752

>>13006493
I've been watching that Korean upstart streaming on Twitch and so far she's been mogging NijiEN's numbers too. I doubt it has something to do with brand. Ui mama consistently gets high viewerships and she's an indie. Maybe non Nijis are just way talented cause they are more careful with debuting new members? Not saying Nijis are bad, it's just that they're rich so they could afford to have flops.

>> No.13006823

>>12998839
The same HoloEN where one member in each gen so far had imposter syndrome? Even they can't always deal with it.

>> No.13006828

>>12997565
>Pomu has been complaining a lot about her numbers
No she hasn't.
She's said she was worried that someday her channel might fizzle out, but she's never been complaining about the current status of her channel.

>> No.13006903

>>12983616
t. Connor.

>> No.13006932

>>13006711
I really don't get how collab begging should be the morally right thing to do as alluded by the Niji fans. Shouldn't collabs be kinda organic in nature? I dislike that NijiEN management has interferred multiple times with these like how they forced Selen to collab with Bon, how they forced Pomu to participate in that upcoming MK tourney, etc.

>> No.13006956

>>13006752
>Ui mama
Why use a popular Holo mama for your example? A Holo mama that's also rubbed shoulder with Nijis too. Ui is far from the average indie and her name is associated with [BRAND]. Talent and [BRAND] will make something great but the latter will always compensate for someone lacking the former.

>> No.13006985

>>13006932
>They're not organic because I say so
Lol
Lmao

>> No.13006999

In order of best fit in Hololive to worst
>Pomu
>Rosemi
>Elira
>Finana
>Petra
>Selen

>> No.13007018

>>13006956
Precisely why I used her cause she's adjacent to Holos and Nijis and yet somehow Niji talents perform worse than her.

>> No.13007029

>>12997823
>depre
1/3 or her superchats come from JP, seems like a good tactic still gets EOPs money and get a nice slice of JP money

>> No.13007060

>>13006932
They're not forced, unlike your UMISEA.

>> No.13007072

>>13007029
Good for her but bad for her group. She's one of the reasons why NijiEN is doing poorly.

>> No.13007077

>>13007018
Because she's part of the Hololive brand anonchama. She's practically an honorary Holo. She probably beats some Holos as well.

>> No.13007148

>>13007077
She also carries Nijisanji buff. My point is better streamers get better results. Nijisanji although there are also good streamers but as a whole they kinda suck because they've got too many flops.

>> No.13007180

>>13005319
anon... Ollie is ID when will you understand she is on a different realm of freedom from holoEN?

>> No.13007253

>>13007180
Why do you conveniently ignore Mori and Kiara? Also Myth girls attended cons. Council has an upcoming con to attend to. Stop spewing rrats, anon.

>> No.13007353

>>13006589
if you dial back Selen first non-nijiEN collab was exacly 1 month after debut
pretty much there was always a 1month ban for outside nijiEN collabs we didnt know until Millie got cockblocked
now you can expect ethyria to do alot of those, Nina already started grooming Mika
>fee
stop believing every bs you read

>> No.13007378

>>13004362
Most of the people on your list are already Holo adjacent. Holos don't collab with Apex streamers all the time because they care for content variety. Stop trolling bro.

>> No.13007471

>>13007353
Stop being a revisionist. They allowed Lazulight to collab with the other branches without that restriction.

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>>12984116
>>12993259
Agree on all points.

>> No.13007559

>>12983250
>Elira
probably 1.5-2m subs and 10k+ CCV, she plays good games and has an amazing personality and voice.
>Pomu
maybe as popular as Ame or Kiara, she has really high quality content sometimes and her schizos are really dedicated
>Finana
fired 3 days after debut for talking about pirating anime and her sexual preferences
>Rosemi
maybe 4-6k viewers per stream, her content is really funny and cute but its not for everyone. she'd probably be the 2nd last one to reach 1m subs
>Selen
she'd reach 2 million subs in her first year and regularly get over 15-20k viewers every stream. maybe closer to Irys than Gura.
>Petra
maybe 1.5-2k CCV, she makes no effort to pander to redditors or holofags so they'd get filtered.

i like them better where they are though, hololive ruins every talent they pick up with restrictions and bullshit forced pandering.

>> No.13007564

>>12998387
You're just a hater. Coco is an oshi to many of the NijiJP livers. She popularized Ark which in turn bolstered Ku-chan's career. He even thanked her when she graduated.

>> No.13007600

>>13007471
>>13007471
>They allowed Lazulight to collab with the other branches
fucking international collab prepared by staff is not the same fucking thing as selen playing apex with husband cheating froot and homotreya you dumb fuck

>> No.13007748

>>13007559
>hololive ruins every talent they pick up with restrictions and bullshit forced pandering.
Myth did pull through tho, and Council too as soon as they found their niche

>> No.13007760

Every single thing people like about them would be gone if they were in Hololive. If they tried their usual bantz in Hololive the entire catalog here would be dramaposts about how much they hate each other, how Cover hired sluts, etc. If you are a NijiEN fan you should thank god every day that they didn't get into Holo EN.

>> No.13007877

>>13007748
Myth seem kind of disillusioned with the whole thing sometimes now that they're rich enough to not care. Only Irys and Ina actually seem satisfied with where they are, Ame/Mori/Kiara/Gura have all complained or expressed dissatisfaction with management and restrictions and being forced to behave a certain way while on stream.
I don't think any of the NijiEN girls would be happy under that kind of management except Elira since she's already a normally polite and "pure" person who doesn't have to pretend, similarly to Irys. Maybe Rosemi would do alright too since she's kind of a moeblob but she has her gamer moments sometimes...

>> No.13008044

>>12983437
Selen wouldn't be able to get permissions to play anything but Apex and she wouldn't be allowed to collab with anyone in Apex. So basically she wouldn't be able to do any of her content.

>> No.13008114

>>13007253
>Also Myth girls attended cons.
>Implying that's not something they were just forced to do.

>> No.13008130

>>12989330
It's like you've never actually watched Hololive and just imagine what it's like based on what other people tell you

>> No.13008205
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Unironically as great as Selen is she would flunk getting hired by Hololive because she's honest. Can you imagine how she'd respond if they asked her if she liked singing and dancing or would need to learn it
>HAHAHAHAHA NO BUT REALLY

>> No.13008217

>>13008114
nta but I feel like Kiara was super hyped up for her Cons as it's something she was super into before joining HL. She technically did the first live performance for her songs in EN and was the first Holo to perform live since coof. She was also the one pushing hardest for people to contact cons so they can book Hololive.

Honestly can't say much about the rest.

>> No.13008286

>>13006932
>Shouldn't collabs be kinda organic in nature?
That's what the Finana/prism/Bao/One random guy collab was.

>> No.13008679

>>13007559
>i like them better where they are though, hololive ruins every talent they pick up with restrictions and bullshit forced pandering.

Fucking this. I like both HololEN and NijiEN. The holo girls are really talented but are also seriously nerfed by perms and content restrictions. The but of extra breathing room the Niji girls get is honestly really refreshing. As much as they could really shine on the big stage at Cover, they also wouldn't be able to be the same people, which would be a sad loss really.

>> No.13008748

>>13006932
>like how they forced Selen to collab with Bon
They didn't force it, but I think they kind of organized it in a way where they made it seem like the other one had requested they do a collab with them, when really it was all management.

>> No.13008791

>>13006903
kek

>> No.13008952

>>13006932
How is it collab begging to be able to collab with whoever you want? Is this really how Holo fans accept their company's authoritarian management?
Usually vtubers are thankful that their management go out of their way to organize collabs for them as it gets them connections in the scene. They're still free to decline those collabs if they don't want to participate. Kiara would probably be happy if Holo management let her collab with 2views just so she can make friends.

>> No.13009214

>>13007148
anon... just because she has a nijibuff doesnt mean the holobuff isnt the main powerhouse buff, ui wouldnt be as successful if she wasnt holo-adjacent, her relation to holo means she gets the buff of holo without directly being a holo.
also flops clearly dont effect the whole quality of a company because media gets made regardless, especially with movies.

>> No.13009561

>>12993259
>>12984116
Agreed with this, she somehow is doing GFE better than any holoEN while has every skillset, she is not outstanding in one skill but jack of all trades and has seiso image and very docile for Omegatranny taste, I think Cover needs to snatch her from nijiEN ASAP so that I don't have to deal with her boring friends come in nijiEN with every new wave debut

>> No.13009618

>>13009561
I don't think that's really fair to Elira's friends, Millie and Enna are pretty cool. Hell Millie was the person who inspired both Elira and Pomu to get into vtubing. Not sure why that gen are struggling so hard but Millie is at least as talented as Elira and I suspect it's just her ESL accent that filters people.

>> No.13009768

>>12997673
the toxicity and lack of maturity is the appeal of selen

>> No.13009892

>>13009561
Your post started well but it sure ended as a 1 int post.
Pomu and Rosemi are Elira's friends and they're both kino.

>> No.13010044

>>13009561
based and anti nepotism pilled

>> No.13010307

>>12998029
This is just a retarded take.

>> No.13010674

I don't think they would be much popular. That's because they're too talented for Hololive. Holo fans prefer chuubas with negative talent.

>> No.13010791
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>>12998029
"Pff!" The dragon girl giggles as you pull up her shirt, accidentally tickling her a bit as you do. She raises her arms, allowing you to remove it entirely, and reveal her smooth stomach. "C'mon, Anon. You really wanna do this? I'm a dragon, you know." She grins at you smugly. "We're a bit tougher than humans."
Ignoring her attitude, you pull off her jeans, revealing her panties along with her bra—a matching set of black and purple. Despite her tough talk, you could see a bit of wetness on her panties.
"Alright, but don't say I didn't warn you," she murmurs as you pull down her panties. You blink, surprised—instead of any hair, a tiny patch of dark purple scales marks her pubic mound, smooth skin leading to her glistening pussy
She licks her lips as you trace a finger around her slit, feeling her clit beginning to poke out. her eyes follow the outline of the bulge in your pants, but she still seems more amused than aroused, even as you slip a finger inside of her.
"Holy shit," you mutter. Her pussy was like a furnace—practically burning your finger as you seek a sensitive spot, pressing against her walls. "That's something." You're a bit worried your dick might melt if you put it in, but you'd gone this far now, and couldn't turn back unless you wanted to be teased about it for months.
"Hahaha…" She laughs nervously. "I know, right?" Her eyes betray a deeper feeling—a flash of nervousness, as if worried you would back away. "Think you can handle me?"
"You tell me," you grunt, pulling down your pants. Your bulge is even more prominent now, cock straining against your boxers. Then your boxers drop, and your dick springs out, achingly hard as you press it against the dragon's groin, feeling her internal heat meet your pulsing rod.
"Pffhahahahaha!" She bursts out laughing, looking down at your member. You grit you teeth—you didn't think dragons were that big—you considered yourself above average in terms of size. Was it really that much of a difference? "Anon!" she gasps, finally composing herself. "That's way too big! I'm never gonna able to—" Before she can even finish, inspired by the rush of confidence from her words, you thrust inside her.
"AAAHH!" Selen screams as you penetrate your, a tight, wet heat pressing against the tip of your cock. You barely make two inches inside before you have to stop—peculiar, since she'd told you her hymen had broken centuries prior. "Fuck! Gimme some warning, would you?"
"You still sure about me not being able to please you?" you murmur, a smile still on your face. From the red on her cheeks, you could tell that that hadn't been a scream of pain.
"L-look, Anon, just take it slow, and—"

"Ah! Ha, ha! Ffuck!" the dragon pants, exhausted. She'd stopped being an active participant three orgasms ago—she was just too sensitive, having cum almost a dozen times already as your cock dug at her sensitive spots, pressing against her womb. "S-slower!" she begs.
"Rrgh!" Instead, you do the opposite, thrusting into her harder than before. Her clawed hand digs into your back, leaving furrows in your flesh—her human hand isn't much farther behind, though the wounds a little lighter.
It only inspires you to be rougher in return, your teeth sinking into her shoulder as you bite down, claiming her body as your own. Selen had already done so to you multiple times—this was just payback. She shudders in your grasp, another orgasm wracking her body as you press agianst her g-spot.
Good timing, as you're about to cum too. At this point though, you're too far gone to think of anything other than releasing inside—you practically roar out your orgasm, driven to bestial heights by your mating with the feral dragon girl.
You pull her body close to yours as you tip over the peak, cock twitching as you seed her womb with your hot jizz—she lets out a surprised gasp as she feels your cum splash into her deepest parts, stuffing her womb with your semen in seconds.
When you pull out, gasping for air, she just lies there, her ruined pussy leaking cum slowly onto the sheets. It takes her a few minutes to come back to herself, a low growl in her throat as she rises.
"Dumbass," she whispers into your side as she cuddles up to you. "You can't just cum inside me like that… you better take responsibility." Her tone carries none of the normal playful teasing, instead showing you a surprisingly vulnerable side of her as she lays her scaled hand on her stomach, as if feeling her womb, stuffed with your seed. "Shit, I might really get pregnant…" she murmurs, clicking her tongue. "You're crazy, dude."
At that, your cock rises again, and she gasps, looking at your member as it returns to full strength in only moments after hearing those words.
"W-wait!" she chokes out as you roll back on top of her. "At least gimme a few minutes to—fuck!"

>> No.13010867

>>13010791
We were talking about fanfiction in the NijiEN thread a while ago, where were you then?

>> No.13011123

>>12994609
Ame just isn't that great at even shooters. That RBC and Towa collab showed how overrated she was.

>> No.13013178

>>13009561
Elira is not Ina. This narrative is just silly.

>> No.13013955

>>13013178
lol elira nepotism has much more proof than ina
https://youtu.be/XWEGZRvgVig?t=376

>> No.13014268

>>13010674
Based and redpilled

>> No.13014354

>>12998351
did they ever talk about management forcing them to do this? I cant imagine management would do that, people keep talking about this shit

>> No.13014486

>>13011123
Her aim's pretty good though. I remember during the Left4Dead collab she was headshotting the zombies from far away without zoom with a flick of the wrist.

>> No.13014776

Most of those niji girls would absolutely crush the council. And im not even a nijifag. I started with the holoJP and then branched out from there.

>> No.13014923
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Pomu wouldn't be Pomu in Hololive, she would be someone closer to Mint

>> No.13015178

>>12983250
Proportionally it'd be roughly the same with some places switched.
Elira, Rosemi and Selen would be the three top dogs closely followed by Petra and then the rest. Pomu I feel would've struggled far harder in Holo than Niji due to her interests aligning far less with the usual HoloEN watcher.

A major difference would've also been that Petra & Rosemi's fluency in Japanese would've been significantly more valuable due to the smaller size of Holo and the already far bigger overseas fanbases.
Finana would've probably struggled the most compared to where she is now.

>> No.13015333

>>13015178
>actual idol fan would struggle in the idol larp company just like the actual ex-idol is the least popular of her gen
Man, I wish globaltards would stop talking so much about muh idol culture when they clearly never gave a shit about it before Hololive.

>> No.13015476

>>12997823
>Alienating
Oh no she responded to her JPnikis. MY SENSITIVE AMERICAN FEELINGS!

>> No.13015477

>>13015333
Yeah, it's sad.
HoloEN viewers don't give a fuck about actual idol culture (to them "idol" is just "singer without a BF") so it's pretty depressing to think about.
The other day someone unironically started going full autistic when I explained that a major part of being a fan of idols is watching their creative growth rather than wanting a finished product right out the gate the way it's generally done with western artists.
This place is such a mess.
I'm glad Pomu is where she is and hope she doesn't switch since that'd probably make her really unhappy in the long run.
Or if she switches I hope she attains the level of fluency required to just straight-up get into HoloJP. Either works.

>> No.13015505

>>13007072
>>12997823
Actual mental illness. Get help.

>> No.13015702

>>13015477
I feel like I just found a drop of water after starving in the desert while reading this.
>creative growth rather than wanting a finished product
Thank you for understanding the true heart of being an idol fan.
>she debuts with some big dreams
>showcases some rusty talents with potential to grow
>practices and works hard, shows off that practice more and more with improvement in talent
>that concert gets announced, or the stage, or big event
>anticipation of getting to see her stand on the place she's been dreaming of for years
>the rush of emotions seeing her succeed and be showered with the adoration she deserves
>hearing her thank yous while she's choking back tears
It's fucking addicting. I never understood overzealous fans until I got into watching idol and idolesque entertainers.

>> No.13016228

>>13015702
>I feel like I just found a drop of water after starving in the desert while reading this.
Always happy to make some other people happy if but for a moment.
> Thank you for understanding the true heart of being an idol fan.
You're truly welcome. I've been on and off with it since around 2012 or thereabouts, and while it was more often through anime since my JApanese is fairly rusty it still breaks my heart whenever people just flat-out do not understand the concept.
> It's fucking addicting. I never understood overzealous fans until I got into watching idol and idolesque entertainers.
This was amazing to read, thank you. And yes. It's incredible.
I really wish I could shove Aikatsu! down every complainer's throat. They'd chill out and focus on what really matters.

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Man, it's as if Nijiniggers take half their criticism of Hololive from narratives and dramafaggots, but I suppose that they're also part of /vt/
Anyway, this thread isn't useless and it actually puts some things into perspective. You sold me on Elira and I'm subscribing right now to her

>> No.13016715

>>13016228
It's the reason why I'm hooked on vtubers now, even in random game or zatsudan streams they give updates on their journey and making new connections and getting new ideas, as well as niowase about the future, I love when something isn't stated outright and months later, comes seemingly out of nowhere. Dedicated fans would have ears on the ground for hints.
>spoiler
Based. There is a reason why all idol games revolve around raising and training as it reflects (an idealized) real life idol.
This board really needs a brushup on idols existence. I blame many not knowing anything about Japanese media other than vtuber clips and forming opinions based on other misinformed anons.

>> No.13018797

>>13015477
these are the good things about idol culture, I much prefer it as well over the "western" way with finished products like you say, the journey is amazing to witness. doesn't mean its useless to point out the retarded shit about it too though

>> No.13018941

>>13015702
But then there's a voice in the back of my head that starts wondering if I'm just trapped in a parasocial trap or talking the line of going Gosling. It's something that kinda has me kinda starting to doubt my being a fan. I already got emotionally fucked up by Vtubing once and I wonder if I'm setting up myself for another round of being jerked a round and then spat on by them as they leave.

>> No.13019031

13018797
True but not the point of this discussion.
>>13016715
>This board really needs a brushup on idols existence. I blame many not knowing anything about Japanese media other than vtuber clips and forming opinions based on other misinformed anons.
Wonder how that could be accomplished.
> Based. There is a reason why all idol games revolve around raising and training as it reflects (an idealized) real life idol.
It'S why I'm so happy whenever a chuuba plays IdolSim. It's such a great game to teach viewers things they didn't rpeviously know.
> It's the reason why I'm hooked on vtubers now, even in random game or zatsudan streams they give updates on their journey and making new connections and getting new ideas, as well as niowase about the future, I love when something isn't stated outright and months later, comes seemingly out of nowhere. Dedicated fans would have ears on the ground for hints.
INDEED.
I really love Mori for that reason. She's been making all these contacts and it's fascinating to follow.
Not least of all because she had zero streaming or even internet creation experience prior so becoming a better streamer has too become a part of the journey.

>> No.13022939

bump

>> No.13025678

>>12989330
I doubt HoloEN fans would mind the fujo part much.

>> No.13026252

>>12983319
Most of their audience base is comprised of holo migrants anyways. So Yes, they do need hololive to remain relevant because they're already leeching off hololive.

>> No.13026300

>>13008205
Shed get respect for it
Kiara basically spoils everything EN is going to do a solid week before it happens because she had no filter and talks about anything and everything

>> No.13026463

>>12996661
?
Her collabs with Bon werent nothing special, more when she started collabing with more skilled people.

>> No.13026621

>>13019031
I understand, but I guess that's not really my thing. I prefer not to get that close to people.
>she had zero internet creation experience
are you sure about that?

>> No.13026681

>>12989330
Maybe you should actually watch Hololive streams instead of speedreading thread titles on catalog.

>> No.13026917

13026621
>I understand, but I guess that's not really my thing. I prefer not to get that close to people.
Fair.
> are you sure about that?
She has no reason to lie about that.
No (you) because questions like that tend to only go one way.

>> No.13027704

>>13018941
Personally, I don't feel trapped in the parasocial trap because I enjoy simply being a fan in the crowd, not someone special. However if you feel yourself going that route there's always taking a break. I've had to take a break because I was addicted to following updates on too many people and it did some good, as now I'm not spending every second refreshing everything or worrying about graduation. I've read posts about anons on the edge of going gosling who pulled back for a few weeks and returned with a stronger will.
>>13019031
I don't watch her but I'm sure everyone's got that journey and it's fun to follow, when there's an EN concert I will root for her.

>> No.13027710

>>13026252
People are saying they are hololive-lite for a reson, and seems like with how boring and safe with the candidate for wave 4, the nijiEN males will be another holostar-lite
Man, the nijiEN branch is a joke at this rate, they don't have the soul of nijisanji

>> No.13028053

>>12983250
I wouldn't be watching them if they were.

>> No.13028484

>>13014486
so what she lacks is game sense?

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>>12990808
>as one dogs dies, another dog thrives
Truly a doggy dog world

>> No.13028763

Rosemi and Petra will definitely have Sana/Fauna numbers. The rest is easy 1M subs buff and -100% quality

>> No.13028845

>>12983616
Unless they're extremely shit like Council and ID

>> No.13028913 [DELETED] 

>>13026917
this may be what you wanted to avoid, but didn't she use to do songs and animation and such?

>> No.13028962

>>12983250
I can easily see Lazulight with 1 Million worthless subs

>> No.13028983

>>12998124
She's been wagie raging (over her IRL job) and was slightly dead in her MK practice collab because of it. If you want context on what the dramafags are exaggerating into "MANAGEMENT FORCES POMU TO DO THINGS AND SHE HATES IT"

>> No.13029023

>>13028983
So basically just made up shit. As suspected.

>> No.13030108

>>12990808
>>13028541
Shiki is probably going to genuinely shape the company well into the future.
>>13029023
>So basically just made up shit. As suspected.
Always that way.

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I'm glad they're not in holo because it would put a lot of restrictions and make it more business oriented.
Niji seems like a group of friends that always can make collabs on the go with a better game library.

>> No.13031272

>>12983250
Rosemi would be the second most popular EN after Gura

>> No.13031963

Elira, Pomu and Rosemi can move to hololive and incline hard. Petra, Selen and Finana aren't fitting with hololive at all

>> No.13032561

>Nijikeks fantasizing about their nijitoilet being in hololive
The absolute state of nijiniggers. No one wants your braphog because she laughs alot, fuck off.

>> No.13033154

>>13031963
They'd incline, but Pomu wouldn't be the same.

>> No.13033219

>>13027710
Yet some Japs with they knew English since the clips that trickle to them make them think Niji EN is the wild west.

>> No.13033293

>>13033154
Pomu would just continue being Mint

>> No.13034363

>>13031963
>Petra, Selen and Finana aren't fitting with hololive at all
Maybe not EN but Petra'd be really popular as a HoloJP.

>> No.13034490

Elira would be absolutely perfect in Hololive. She's a cute sweetheart with a good voice, who loves both streaming and her fans.
Selen would be great in that she's quite different from anyone they currently have.
And anyone who speaks JP would benefit from the more insular nature of the company.

>> No.13035804

>>13033154
She will just be Mint instead

>> No.13035868

>>13033293
And that's a bad thing.

>> No.13038572

>>12983616
proofs?

>> No.13041771

>>12984193
how does that mean?

>> No.13043584

>>13007877
Eh thats debatable

>> No.13043615

>>12997565
>Pomu has been complaining a lot about her numbers
Holobrony threadwatcher.

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