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Isn't it weird that Kuzuha is by far one of the most popular VTubers in Japan, outperforming most Hololive members, but male VTubers have been completely unable to penetrate the EN market in any meaningful way? What is it about male VTubers that Japan likes them but America doesn't care about them at all, even though male streamers are otherwise quite popular in America.

>> No.12374613

>>12374514
The west isn't big on female Vtubers either in the grand scheme of things. Proportionally speaking the JPs absolutely mog the ENs in viewership and income when you consider their potential audience as a factor.

>> No.12374627

>>12374514
Hololive penetrated the market by being clipped and translated, it's not like they decided to gun down focus on EOP out of the blue. Many Niji clippers stopped when Hololive blew up. Male clippers stuck around but a lot of his clips are gay so maybe that turns away curious fans.

>> No.12374693

>>12374514
>the EN market in any meaningful way?
Explain what you mean by this? What quantifies "meaningful"?

>> No.12374725

>>12374514
that shits gay nigga

>> No.12374741

No fujobait.

>>12374613
Nice bait since they are already getting more views in one year as some of the top vtubers within a shorter time and will likely overtake them. But I guess ad revenue on views don't matter and it's all about the live viewers, even though youtube as a platform supports both ways, unlike with Twitch.

>> No.12374768

>>12374613
>The west isn't big on female Vtubers either in the grand scheme of things
True, but they are far less interested and n male ones. It’s likely though that Japan is so big on VTubers that it allows room for a small amount of males.

In the West, the male VTubers are there, but no one cares to watch them.

>> No.12374801

>>12374627
No point to clip EN males when no one wants to watch them.

>> No.12374865

>>12374514
Male vtubers are seen like regular streamers to the nips, in the west a virtual avatar is a major debuff for a male streamer.

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>>12374741
So you didn't read the post.
>Proportionally speaking
>Potential audience as a factor
There are 90 million Japanese speakers in the world. There are 1.2 billion English speakers. Realistically speaking JP should not even come close to being able to compete with EN since nationality is irrelevant when it comes to being a weeb or someone who would otherwise enjoy Vtubers as a medium.
>>12374768
There is no incentive to watch a male Vtuber for a western fan because all streaming niches have been filled by incredibly popular men. The same is true in Japan but to a lesser degree and the popular male Vtubers you see in Nijisanji are popular because they embody what it means to be entertaining. It has nothing to do with the avatar.

>> No.12374888

>>12374514
I dunno dude, seems even the western girls are more likely to watch other girls.
I know what I like, when it comes to male streamers I prefer someone I relate to; smelly looking, rude, avoids politics because their opinions aren't whats allowed and not too put together... If I wanted to watch a married guy with kids for example, i'd expect something more professional than streaming games.
I would maybe stick my dick in a little japanese boy but I don't find them appealing from an entertainment standpoint.

>> No.12374962

>>12374876
no way dude you mean a higher proportion of japanese people care about anime? that's absolutely insane.

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>>12374962
Are you really this fucking stupid or are you taking me for a ride? Be honest.

>> No.12375040

>>12374514
He's the rough equivalent of a normie face streamer on twitch, Japanese are just more accepting and interested in anime avatars (and thus vtubing in general).

>> No.12375093

>>12374514
The biggest and best western streamers on pretty much all niches are already all men. If I wanted to watch a guy I would watch one of them. If the guy uses an avatar or a facecam it is irrelevant because all I care about is how funny/entertaining/good he is.

>> No.12375132

>>12375001
i'm more suggesting that it's kind of laughably stupid to say that reaching the same proportion of english speakers WORLDWIDE as japanese speakers in japan is the MINIMUM REASONABLE EXPECTATION TO BE SURPASSED when adapting something outside of its country of origin. you have thought about that for more than a second, right?

>> No.12375219

>>12375132
Nobody said minimum reasonable expectation, they're rough comparative demographics. You are aware otaku culture is wildly popular worldwide, right? And that the number of overseas consumers far outweighs Japanese consumers, yes?

>> No.12375274

>>12374888
Kuzuha is a loud mouthed troll and couldn't name any political figures due to being retarded, he also lives like a 5 year old so there's always something dumb happening at his place. I think he's pretty entertaining.

>> No.12375299

>>12375093
So what you’re saying is there are no entertaining en male vtubers currently

>> No.12375370

>>12375274
I could maybe relate if I had a large grasp of the language but at best the potential for viewers would be new learners right, maybe even absolute beginner.
I'd only watch if I would want to fuck him, since I can barely understand.

>> No.12375374

>>12375299
I don't speak for indies but yeah to be honest. Guys like Kamiya Juu is an exception rather than the rule

>> No.12375414

>>12374514
There's no incentive. If guys in the west don't wanna show their faces they stick to voice only content or have an avatar. There are enough successful channels that draw in people through their content. Why would they wanna get an anime avatar that might even scare away the normies for being exactly that?

>> No.12375515

>>12375299
What I'm saying is that being a vtuber isn't a selling point. They have to be able to make it purely by being entertaining, while competing against the biggest players in the world.
However this also isn't entirely true since having an avatar is most likely a debuff because it is harder for people who are weirded out by weeb stuff (majority of western people who watch male streamers) to give your stream a watch.

>> No.12375529

Because Hololive got popular
The EN stigma about vtubers = female, is majority cuz hololive blew up, & the other major english tubing group vshojo was female avatars.

>> No.12375651

>>12375040
>normie
No one tell this faggot.

>> No.12375671

>>12375374
>Kamiya Juu
He's a male version of Kaheru. He's an extreme outlier

>> No.12375872

>>12374514
Because Vtubers = Hololive for most western fans.
That's literally the only reason.
No one cares about idol shit or purity outside /here/, and the second someone shoves males in front of their faces (like Niji will when wave 4 debuts) people will latch onto them just as much as they do the rest of the vtubers in similar tier.

>> No.12376039

>>12375671
>>12375374
>150k subs
What the fuck? How?

>> No.12376069

The west still wants vtubing to primarily be about substitute girlfriends/cute girls because 3D icky. We're behind JP where a number of them successful men are the equivalent of 3D facecam streamers over here. The top male vtubers are into stuff like sports, you just won't get many average relatable guys like that in the west as yet.

>> No.12376276

>>12376039
His 2D introduction video blew up on youtube.
Sora the Troll who's a pretty popular shitposting nip with a lot of English viewers featured him on one his videos/streams. And he had fuck ton of skits to flex his voice acting range which raked in a large number of subs.
He actually gets only around 800-2k viewers on his streams but he's getting there for a male.

Still like I said, he's the exception and not the rule. Because Issei Kai also had his intro video blow up.

>> No.12376586

>>12376276
So is the key to blowing up uploading a ton of videos into the void in hopes of being found one day?

>> No.12376610

>>12374514
>cultural difference don't real: The post

>> No.12376710

>>12376276
Hmmm.. I've been thinking about what kind of strategy fits for EN because in some JP/SEA males their strategy is to be relatable or to be massive shitposter, in EN it could be very different because in EN you'd never need to hide up like even the ugliest male can be accepted by the market, maybe EN would be less accepting for variety male vtubers and more fitting for vsingers

>> No.12377045

>>12376586
That's the YouTuber life before vtubers so I would think so. I think the one specific key reason why he did so well is because he capitalized really hard on Sora's plug on him and the amount of skits that make sure he keeps his passing viewers for more skits even if not all of them watch his streams.
>>12376710
EN has a gigantic gap in the market, we're still trying to figure out what kind of dude would even work but guys like Issei Kai has a somewhat decent following for an indie. So Vsingers and variety streamer dudes might work out pretty well

>> No.12377378

>>12374514
western vtuber viewers are sad otaku, incels, ironic weebs, or a combination

>> No.12377594

>>12377045
I'm admittedly an EOP so I don't know what's it like for male vtubers in Japan, but the way I see it is that any dude that wants to become a gaming/variety streamer has no real need to go the virtual route. You have utter goblin creatures like the Best Friends, Vinesauce Joel and everyone at Yogscast and tons of folks who go outright faceless such as grayfruit, Barely Sociable or ManlyBadassHero making it , so appareance is not a limiter the way it is for female streamers.
That is why I think male vtubers won't blow up in the west, we have a lot of double standards and don't have the culture of internet anonymity Japan has nurtured over the years.

>> No.12377901

>>12377594
Hence why I've been thinking that NijiEN will do a vsinger wave for wave4 and this time it might work better than when they tried it in JP since gaming, interaction skills are more appreciated for their male vtubers, EN? not so much.. Same with if holostarsEN is a thing, they gotta be out-idol their JP counterparts imo

>> No.12378004

>>12374768
>In the West, the male VTubers are there, but no one cares to watch them.
Not in Hololive, which is the only thing westerners care about. NijiEN wave 4 should shake things up a bit. I know Tsunderia annouced some too, but they're still too small

>> No.12378522

>>12374514
Expection doesn't mean much, vast majority of top earners are girls.

>> No.12381439

>>12374514
Literally who?

>> No.12384262

>>12374514
Why the fuck would you watch a male VTuber if you arent gay?

What the fuck. What is there to gain?

>> No.12384405

The audience for male vtubers in the west is already covered by very popular streamers like XQC and Pewdiepie. Japan didn't have people like that. For the female side it was pretty much just the OTV girls like Pokimane and Amouranth so the market was more ripe for the taking.

>> No.12388875

https://youtu.be/57yeIv2-OTA
Randon is cool but he's still just a 2view

>> No.12391046

>>12384405
Speaking of western streamers. Didnt they had memeable people like Unkochan and Mokousensei?

I think Kuzu got big not because of one but multiple aspects: bishounen aesthetic + fujo culture being big + le funny maymay streamer = huge success. It is a combination of thing. So he has bro listeners + fujo fans.

There isn't much fujo culture in the western market. It's too niche and not as mainstream. Bro listeners would just be turned off by the avatar cuz "anime is weird cringe" show your real face. You cant really win here.

>> No.12391213

>>12374514
Nijis don't care about the West because they already have a monopoly in Japan. Vtubing, and by extension Hololive,will die in the West once they lessen the Covid lockdowns.
Enjoy your 5 minutes of fame Holowhores, you'll never reach the same amount of success Niji has or will ever achieve

>> No.12394881

>>12391213
Stop being delusional. You like Nijisanji more good for you big fucking deal.

>> No.12397378

>>12391046
He got popular due to Ark, he debuted with Chronoir basically but wasn't recognized till then, Kanae was more popular than him

>> No.12397961

>>12374801
There are no EN males yet though. Niji is going to test the waters for that with EN4.

>> No.12398320

>>12384262
THIS. This is the main reason male Vtuber won't be as popular as female in the west. The narrow minded generalization of watching Vtuber as a man makes you gay or all viewers are gay is what makes it hard for male Vtuber to popularize in the west.

>> No.12399810

No one in this thread is correct on any of their analysis.

>> No.12400450

>>12399810
Please enlighten us anon

>> No.12400535

>>12374514
Male vtubers honestly don't act that different from traditional/IRL male streamers so might as well watch the latter. Female vtubers do act differently than traditional/IRL female streamers buuuut, they are also ALOT LESS of the latter to compare with. They aren't many JP female streamers who didnt used to be a vtuber or aren't cosplayers. There's like Hatsume for APEX?

>> No.12400589

>>12399810

Welcome to 4chan

>> No.12400618

>>12391046
>There isn't much fujo culture in the western market.
Are you stupid? What is Dream SMP? There are tons of crazy people who ship real life people.
>>12399810
Because most anons are males

>> No.12400651

>>12400618

No, because this site sucks shit through a straw

>> No.12400739

>>12374514
Because watching kuzuha feels like watching a twitch streamer.

>> No.12400820

>>12377045
What's issei Kai average CCV?

>> No.12400836

>>12374514
>male VTubers have been completely unable to penetrate
hee hee

>> No.12401198

>>12400618
>What is Dream SMP
Minecraft fujos don't translate to anime streamer fujos. If they were going to go schizofujo over any streamers it has to be in English.

>> No.12403646

>>12399810
Hehe, anal. Fitting for these faggots.

>> No.12403682

>>12403646
nice one dude

>> No.12403914

Simply out male EN vtubers just aren't interesting or good enough

Anyone with a half decent voice, looks, skill or ability to entertain will just facefag it like everyone else so only the people who fall short in one way or another will go for the vtuber bit

>> No.12404192

>>12374514
You guys seem not to know the early virtual market market in Japan. All of them are "girls" for male fans, like the current western scene.
I can say that the English male Vtuber market has a great potential, and are going to get enormous in a few years.

>> No.12404221

>>12374514
Because big companies haven't gotten into it, yet. The west doesn't care about male vtubers because they don't have any major examples to follow. You need the people with power to make the first move, and that's what Nijisanji's going to do. Don't expect it to be an instant success either, it'll only be a start and it'll grow from there.

>> No.12404590

>being so insecure in your masculinity that you think watching a male vtuber makes you gay

>> No.12404645

>>12375040
But how? What makes him "normie" over other vtubers, male or female? They all do the same shit
>games
>music
>concerts

>> No.12404654

>>12404590
>being such a faggot that you watch males

>> No.12404676

>he says as he watches jerma and dr. disrespect

>> No.12404703

>>12404654
You're replying to a male

>> No.12404714

>>12404703
There’s a male inside of you right now.

>> No.12404731

>>12404714
God I wish...

>> No.12404976

One thing to re-iterate that I'm. It sure has been said, but streaming culture in Japan hasn't been as big for as long as the western streaming market has been. Like, Twitch has been big in EN + EU for years and years now, while streaming didn't really gain traction until much later in Japan, almost to the point where it rose at the same time vtubers as streamers started appearing. This means that, in Japan, streaming as an avatar or a facecam are both seen as fine, whereas it comes across as something 'out there' for the western audience. There are some exceptions of course, Jun being eh biggest one for Japan, but outside of him and a few others like stylishnoob. Getting En male vtubers to take off is going to require scouting of the gods, and I don't think even Cover could manage it with their EX level luck. Like, you're better off just being a regular streamer in the western market as a dude.

>> No.12405100

>>12404976
That is just not true, Japanese streamers have always existed, NND was more popular in Japan than Justin tv or whatever the fuck else people streamed on in the West. You are retarded if you think vtubers revolutionized streaming in Japan.

>> No.12405227

>>12405100
I always forget NND exists as an EOP. How were their numbers back in the day vs now?

>> No.12405296

>>12374741
A lack of fujobait is a big one. Male duos or collaborations between more than one male vtuber would clean up with the fujo market.

>> No.12405316

You still don't understand at all about the autism of all Japanese.

>> No.12405322

>>12374514
How is popular male vtubers any different than normal streamers lol. Female vtubers revolutionized the female streaming scene with them not relying on whoring themselves to the camera for money.

>> No.12405751

>>12405100
Retardchama those NND streamers became vtubers

>> No.12405833

>>12405751
That doesn't change my point that streaming was still a big deal before some bitch decided to become an anime girl streamer

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>>12391046
>>12374741

Pretty much this. Western women aren't as interested in games, and thus streamers, as much as japanese women, but even they tend to prefer sexy designs, fujobait and good personalities, they sure as fuck aren't watching for Apex gameplay. Virtual Gorilla is at like 150k subs, Shibuya Hal has about as many subs as Roboco, even Astel is streaming to less than 1k atm. Kuzuha is definitely an outlier; western males can stream fine without a vtuber avatar, and it's unlikely we'll get another Kuzuha soon that also manages to appeal to westerners somehow. Look at Twisted Wonderland, Touken Ranbu, EnStars, etc. would you really watch a vtuber that looked like this and acted gay with his homies on a regular basis, even if he's funny and spoke some english?

>> No.12406652

>>12406625
Yes

>> No.12406686

>>12406652
Great, then sub to all the Holostars and come back in a week with a report.

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>>12406686
I'm subbed to them already, and my report is I want Miyabi to rape me, now what?

>> No.12406957

>>12400618
>Are you stupid? What is Dream SMP? There are tons of crazy people who ship real life people.
Those people don't like anime and are turned off by the aesthetic. They will never watch vtubers.

>> No.12407056

The fact is men never did their reps and that's why there aren't any male chuubas.

>> No.12409438

>>12407056
Why would they when ugly af males can be popular with their rl face in the west?

>> No.12412920

>>12400820
I'm not a numbersfag and I do not know how to check. All I know is that in the few streams I've seen of him, he has around 100 - 300 viewers.

>> No.12415584

>>12376276
His impressions aside from Kamiya Hiroshi sucks

>> No.12415709

Does Tokyo Ghoul play anything but the typical battle royale fare? How is Japan still watching that shit for years and not get bored?

>> No.12415780

>>12415709
Because he's entertaining

>> No.12415885

>>12415709
was never into pubg so i can't say but apex is super easy to watch even if you don't play the game. gameplay is usually simple to understand (especially at kuzuha's level) and it's basically a zatsudan with shit playing in the background. plus you can leave the stream going in another tab while you do something else and then check it out again whenever there's some action. collabs are also easy and good to watch if the people get along well.
kuzuha is also funny to begin with so that's another plus.

>> No.12415916

>>12415709
viewers probably do cycle over time as well.

>> No.12415926

>>12415709
He also plays Zelda and Splatoon if you don't like the standard fps stuff

>> No.12416443

>>12415709
He plays other stuff from time to time (usually shooters but not always) but right now it feels like Apex, Valorant, Smash and LoL (or some other MOBA) are his mains

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>>12374514
Because if you're good enough to be competitive with female Hololive, you never needed Hololive to begin with. A man's streaming skill is universal, while women have to play into a persona.
Why put up with Hololive's overhead and expections when you can just stay indie and keep everything? You aren't even getting any extra protection or support either; Cover can't even do either for their top acts, let alone for their non-JP branches.

Why even bother? Western male streamers are greasy ass nerds streaming in pajamas, looks do not matter for them all at. What would an anime avatar do for say pic related?

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>>12374514

>male indie poached by niji
>needed 3 years to get 1m subs
>streams with Japanese nonchuba e-celebs for clout
>literally nijis single shit that stuck to the wall
>has to make a girl model to get attention

And people are wondering why this company is not growing on marketshare. If this is the best riku can offer. The future
Looks dark for you nijinigs.

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Randon?

>> No.12421554

Even in Japan a big majority of the top indies and corporate chuubas outside of Nijisanji are female. Niji just somehow almost completely cornered the market for male vtubers

>> No.12421796

so much mental gymnastics trying to explain yourselves why japanese don't like idolshit and eng clipper memes

>> No.12421830

>>12416943
same but with holostars

>> No.12425244

>>12374514
different worlds

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