/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>they paid niji to shill this instead of holo
Why? There's literally a pro-level rhythm game player in Holo. They don't have enough money to hire Holo or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Gura costs a lot of money to sponsor.

[Anonymous No.]

Super weird that they got Selen to do it too, is she a secret rhythm gamer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
What the fuck is a "pro-level" rhythm player game? Rhythm games don't have a professional scene.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe they wanted to be able to release this game in China at some point in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
I'm surprised the one who has a rhythm arcade game in their home isn't the one playing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Thank him

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>pro-level rhythm game player in Holo
Who? From what I know Gura plays it a lot and Iofi shills those types of game a lot, is it someone from Council?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124648
based pro-level rhythm gamer from Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124648
Best male.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>Pro-level
Gura is not anywhere near being a pro. Even Fubuki is better than her

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124844
show us length of membership spammer

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJUx8tjot00

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Cover wouldn't budge on their price for using Gura to shill

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124516
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pOoGviZ4xE

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124648
Will he groom Selen to be the perfect rhythm game player just like he did with Eli?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124965
Not that long sadly, was allergic to paying for the longest time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>holo
Who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12125113
i kneel

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124648
he looks like a supermarket attendant

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Just because gura gave years of her life to miku it doesn't make her a pro player.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
They couldn't afford the Holo collab fee

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
I don't give a SHIT about your tribalfaggotry OP, tell me when the fuck are they gonna release this game you fucking nigger, I've been waiting for this shit since last year, what the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Why aren't the actual diehard weebs in NijiEN picked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12125215
Yashiro a japanese salaryman, which is actually what the average IIDX player at the arcade looks like

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>>12124321
They're finally releasing an English version of the game? Nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
seethe

[Anonymous No.]

>holohomos crying again

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that Selen shat on gacha. She can't even sympathize with the gacha life. Anyone from LazuLight would've been a much better fit, but NUMBERS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126069
From the sounds of what she said about her rehearsals for this, she's just going to be sarcastically shitposting and making it very clear she does not give a single shit about this.

I have no idea why they chose her to do this but lmao.

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>>12124633
I'll give you a hint; corpos ARE numberfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124648
Actual world class level rhythm game player

[Anonymous No.]

For someone who doesn't pay attention to what games are coming out or have recently come out or what, I got excited thinking this was a new Project DIVA and now I'm bothered.

Fuck gacha and fuck phone games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126503
my question is if this is a hatsune miku game why isn’t she featured in the thumbnail?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12125113
Based memberchad

[Anonymous No.]

Is Selen better at rhythm games than Gura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126595
This is my biggest gripe.
Who the fyck are those people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126759
Nah

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124516
Are you telling me you haven't seen blindfolded or max chain combo videos of rhythm games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12125846
NTA but apparently december 7th, so weird that Selen stream is tomorro

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>>12126759
If her attempt at humming/singing along to every song she hears and just getting the tune/rhythm entirely wrong is anything to go by, I'm gonna say no.

Also iirc, in a collab with someone, she was asking what kinds of games the other played and she didn't even know what a rhythm game was when they said rhythm games. When they explained it a bit more she just said "oh like DDR?" or something. I think her entire experience of rhythm games is seeing them in arcades and ignoring them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126595
Miku is there, she’s the one with green hair

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
rhythm game devs all have to stick together. muse dash banned hololive, so all other companies have to follow suit

[Anonymous No.]

>>12125113
I KNEEL

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126595
She's the one with green hair there.

https://projectsekai.fandom.com/wiki/Leo/need#Members_2

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127390
>>12124321
WHAT THE FUCK?
WHAT DID THEY DO TO MIKU?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127390
>>12127091
oh…

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124648
Kneel.
https://streamable.com/yej598

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>>12127241
For what it's worth, I think that was entirely on the publisher for Muse Dash, I don't think the devs wanted that to happen.
>>12127463
I think that's just how she looks when she's performing with that particular band in the game (I think she performs with all of the groups, of which there are a few). My only real experience with these games is the recent Project DIVA on the switch and she has like a million skins on that where she looks completely different, so I assume this isn't too out of the ordinary? Still seems like a weird choice for the thumbnail though, since I didn't recognize her at all.

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>>12124421
This

[Anonymous No.]

Look like bait thread
Am I only one ITT that smart or everyone else is stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126242
She has the biggest numbers in NijiEN, streamer and audience marketing be damned.
It's like when Microsoft had Gura shill Scarlet Nexus when she could barely pretend to give a shit about the game.

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>>12124321
Holos are in bed with Bushiroad. And this new game is a competitor to Bang Dream and D4DJ, which are owned by Bushiroad. Simple as that.

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>>12124321
Nijisanji management is always actively searching for sponsor. Even 2views NijiID got more sponsors than HoloID. If there's anything good to say about their management, it is this

[Anonymous No.]

>>12128199
*This is it

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>>12128002
I get she has the numbers, but surely they are aware that they are not effective numbers? A lot of Selen's success is due to her being able to pull the EN FPS crowd (who typically don't give a shit about rhythm games), and the rest of her success comes from her personality which is a personality which is probably going to make her a horrible shill.
Alternatively they have Elira who is a massive gacha addict and Finana who I assume is into rhythm games based on her performance in Muse Dash. Both of which get decent numbers with an audience who is far more likely to be interested in this.

Unless they are attempting a calculated ironic stream, as in intentionally getting someone who would suck at shilling for it, then banking on clips being made of Selen blatantly faking enthusiasm saying "wooooooooooo yeahhhhh, i don't even know what this is hahahahahaha"

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>>12127942
this the the board that got baited by a false tweet about "collab fees", so yeah everyone in /vt/ is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>>12124421
>>12127936
>niji will incline in the west because holo has inclined too much

A self-fulfilling prophecy.

>>12124633
Your cult is annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129203
>Your cult is annoying.
what does that even mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129006
Not to mention that Elira is a huge Vocaloid fan, and sings Vocaloid songs in almost every karaoke. Even if Elira isn't a great rhythm gamer, they could have had Elira as hypeman + Finana as gamer for the sponsor stream. Just a bad casting choice.

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>>12124321
Gura isn’t pro-level. Maybe she’s good specifically at muse dash but I don’t play it so I can’t verify, but I saw her bandori stream and she’s an average player. She was fucking up on level 25s. Anyone who actually plays rhythm games would call that mediocre.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129006
>>12128002
>>12129317
If Selen has to be there they should at least bring in one of the other big EN members to help since I don't know if she'll even know what to talk about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Because it costs more to get that many eyeballs no your game.
It would cost around $20k an hour to get Gura to play your game.

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck is this baby rthyhm games, play real shit like o2jam or osu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129665
That really makes me curious on how much Taco Bell and the Cookie Kingdom devs paid to get Hololive sponsorships and how much cheaper Nijisanji is.

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>>12129665
Get Gura to play your game for 10K. Maybe a few hundred of her viewers will actually buy the game. Get Selen to play your game for 1K or less. Maybe a few hundred viewers will buy the game. Save a lot for a good deal.

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>>12129474
They've done rehearsals for it and it sounded like she has been coached a bit on what the game is and what to discuss at least.
>>12129325
Gura is retarded and couldn't figure out how to get/set up an HDMI splitter, she was playing by watching through her OBS screen, which has a massive delay. I think she still hasn't sorted this out properly yet, but she uses some setup now that has less lag. Her more recent rhythm game streams have been a lot better, apart from the fact that she does shit like use the Pro controller for the Switch which has a fucked D-Pad and can't be used for Project DIVA.

Same shit when she was playing that newgrounds game, where she chose to play it on the worst client available which apparently fucked up inputs or something.

She constantly is doing shit which fucks over her ability to play properly, which makes it infuriating to watch. But I think the reason she did particularly well at Muse Dash, is because it was a properly made PC game, so she didn't have to deal with lag from a capture card or a shitty flash port.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129802
>o2jam
Based.
>osu
Actually nevermind. Go back

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127535
this nigga ain't human

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129246
You are annoying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12128199
Forcing your talents to shill for Chinese gacha games isn't what I would call good management.

[Anonymous No.]

>lazuliggers not understanding why the person who regularly gets as many live views as the rest of nijien combined even playing debuff games is their headliner

[Anonymous No.]

>>12130379
???

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>Hatsune Miku
>Not a single Hatsune Miku character
What?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Don't care, i will watch Selen shilling a game she is not good at

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>>12124633
Why are pomufags so desperate for attention?

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>>12124321
which one is miku? what the fuck did they do to her

[Anonymous No.]

>>12130586
Scizochama...
>ctrl F
>Pomu, 1
>Finana, 2
>Elira, 5

[Anonymous No.]

>>12130647
Why are pomufags so desperate for attention?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127535
This shit was insane to catch live
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm37811160

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>>12130405
Horror/shooter games are a buff for most Niji vtubers. If you want to see a debuff game, look at her liveview graph for Overlord.
It'll be curious to see if her horror/shooter fanbase will turn up for an anime rhythm game stream.

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>>12130896
>Selen Overlord stream
>she was getting viewers and peaked at 1750
>with a lot of overlaps
>suddenly the Hololive AMOGUS started
>she declined like all the other Nijis at the moment
We will never know how many viewers she was going to have on that stream... probably a peak of 2k and then decline.

[Anonymous No.]

kek, are you saying that nijishits rides on coattails of holoen?>>12131023

[Anonymous No.]

>>12131114
Would anyone seriously deny it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>pro level player
lol
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>12131114
Yes? Lot of Niji fans including the ones here are also Holofags, including myself. I didn't tune in the AMOGUS collab because Selen is my kamioshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>12130254
To be fair she has played Project Diva on Playstation for years and when she streamed it that was the first time she ever played the Switch version. She fixed her set up and after getting the pro controller she immediately realized it sucked and went to using the joy-cons which are a million times better for the switch version of Project Diva. They have small buttons with low travel time and a separated D-pad for more accurate rapid presses. After she got everything sorted out she was acing songs on Extreme no problem.

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>>12131132
>Would anyone seriously deny it?
You would be surprised.

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>>12131023
>she declined like all the other Nijis at the moment
Pomu actually inclined and pulled in 1.7k while Selen was pulling in 1k, both during the Hololive Among Us collab, both during gameplay (not superchat reading).

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>>12131368
>Nijis at the moment
>moment
Pomu started 1 hour later and Selen was playing a debuff game like the other anon said (Elira Apex, Finana and Reimu were overlapping)
Without the Holo collab Pomu probably would have peaked at 3k and Selen at 2k

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Either Gura costs too much or it's something to do with China. Selen's audience is not really the sort that would be interested in this game, it's one of those marketing "bigger number best" things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12131569
Probably because Niji has a pre existing relationship on the JP side with this game I would guess. Either way I mean picking Selen oit of the branch is definitely purely a numbers based decision. She has never expressed an interest in vocaloid or rhythm games. While there are several girls that have been singing covers of if not fans of vocaloid for a decade or so in the branch along with people that have played other rhythm games too.

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>>12124321
I don't know why you are making a fuss about this when SEGA and Yostar are sponsoring Nijisanji but not Hololive

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>>12133519
Yostar is chink so they literally can't hire Hololive but isn't Sega closer to Hololive than Niji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Nenechi already played this game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUxOpBuC9mM

[Anonymous No.]

>>12133519
See. Picking an en vtuber working in the same company is the obvious choice.
>>12131569
And also because of this guy >>12124648
SEGA does sponsor hololive I mean the one pekora shilling was a sega game the yakuza game and theres also korones sonic sponsorship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124421
If it's any more than 10k the sponsor is getting ripped off

[Anonymous No.]

Almost like idolfags are poison

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
If none of the Holos are sponsored by this game then its due to prior ties with the Niji JP branch, nip companies are like to stick with what they know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12133678
It wasn't paid like how Bandori EN paid Gura to shill their game. Gura was probably still cheap back then before the new contract.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124421
21k ccv
485k VOD for an hour long stream
Sponsoring HoloEN, let alone Gura, is gonna cost you a pretty penny.

[Anonymous No.]

>Gura costs a lot
>If she didn't have a manager she would just do it for free to play a Hatsune Miku rhythm game early
they just gotta find a way around her manager

[Anonymous No.]

>>12134128
This stream still confuses me

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>>12124421
fpbp

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>>12134042
The HoloEN girls get to pick and choose their sponsorships, the JP/EN staff deal directly with companies and negotiate the rates. Keep in mind the Bandori collab was after Priconne, Shadowverse, and Dynazenon, no way in hell was it cheap.

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>>12124321
who cares

[Anonymous No.]

>>12133592
I wouldn't really say Sega is closer to Hololive, they seem to sponsor both companies on an equal ground

[Anonymous No.]

>>12133519
>>12138988
Sega paid for one of Suzy's originals...
https://twitter.com/chunithm/status/1427465400732700672

[Anonymous No.]

Which company will Coca-cola and pepsi sponsor?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12139875
Nijisanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124421
Thanks, Taco Bell

[Anonymous No.]

So no one but 1 anon in this thread realised this game is competitor to Bushiroad games, and Hololive is in bed with Bushiroad so as simple as?

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>>12124969
>>12125033
this is just sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12134128
I'm still surprised she hasn't gotten any more fast food sponsorships.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Honestly, surprised they didn’t go with Finana seeing as she actually plays these type of games. Purple dragon more advertiser friendly I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12125853
Corpos only care about numbers and Selen is the quickest growing NijiEN, she just overtook Pomu in subs and is gaining on the rest of Lazulight despite their 2 month head start

[Anonymous No.]

>>12140839
Purple dragon gets more viewers, simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Why not Elira? She has more subs than Selen, and unironically loves gacha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126503
Its the best mobile rhythm game out there and you don't need to roll for gacha unless you're into leaderboard autism

[Anonymous No.]

If her oshi group is 25ji, based. If it's WxS; cringe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12142506
She has nfc what any of this is

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126759
Selen said multiple times on stream that she got a shit sense of rythm

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126242
Nice way to never get sponsorships again as well as tarnish your company's reputation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126242
I believe she also said the stuff she said and did made the company people laugh so she was hoping to recreate that energy for the real stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127535
holy shit those double notes are the devil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12143660
The crazy thing is that is just the 2nd hardest difficulty, and you need less than 5 misses to unlock the next difficulty. I got filtered hard, havent unlocked it yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qjvHa8sjxQ

[Anonymous No.]

Miku knows her gap moe is going to come out in the face of cute gacha characters and the Selen simps will ooze money into the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>12143909
Inhuman I can't even read this at parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Bruh, isn't she an fps streamer? Even if they can't get Gura, they should've throw this sponsorship to some weeb instead. I literally can't guess how many viewers Sega expected this stream to get or how many it will actually get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12140839
>2view fish who can barley break 1k viewers most of the time, smallest fanbase, only streams she does good on is Honkai, even though she’s wave 1
>Selen who can get over 1k consistently and keep viewers
Only numbers matter for sponsorships. Lazulight isn’t getting them anymore lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>12140612
So was the day of your birth

[Anonymous No.]

>>12129006
Finana numbers are the worst of EN, she’s gets as low as wave 3. She just has the Lazulight buff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124421
I'm sure Gura herself would pay to become a sponsor of this game, the shark loves Project Diva.

[Anonymous No.]

Just like how they probably got official Metroid Nintendo sponsorship through Sasaki and Yashiro they probably also got this through Yashiro. At least in large part

[Anonymous No.]

>>12128296
"It is this" works just fine there you pedantic faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
>literally a pro-level rhythm game player
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Because they know Gura will play it and praise it for free anyway so why paying for it? It's not that difficult to figure out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12145959
Then why are they even paying NijiEN to play it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12146082
Aim for the Niji fans that don't watch hololive with a much lower price

[Anonymous No.]

>>12138988
Hear that, Konami. You can be neutral to both companies and still make a big buck.

GIVE US MGS AND POWER PROS PERMISSIONS ALREADY.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12146174
Gura has more subs than all Nijis combined, so all Niji viewers watch her already anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127535
And then he goes on and plays it on a harder difficulty and blows his finger offs for an hour before pulling this shit off
https://youtu.be/HskffG4e6PE?t=5116
Also this shit
https://youtu.be/ZXXA48BK9BA?t=45

[Anonymous No.]

>>12146271
That's a weird logic I would say

[Anonymous No.]

>>12143909
Gulp

[Anonymous No.]

>>12143909
How are these people's brains wired? is it memorization, or do they just see the world in slow motion

[Anonymous No.]

>>12146809
>memorization
Not more than other games or skills
>slow motion
You get used to the speed
First you get used to the way the game is played, touch screen, console, keyboard etc, the controls and slowest speeds. while doing that you begin to remember parts of the beatmaps and learn how to play different patterns. over time, you get better at playing and get used to higher speeds and learn to complete more complicated beatmaps with higher accuracy. so basically, playing rhythm games makes you better at the core mechanics of rhythm games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
after they kicked out coco, they've lost the "trust" of the industry and how much they protect their talent. no amount of views/numbers are going to change their reputation now

[Anonymous No.]

>>12148647
Hololive members streamed Project Sekai even after Coco's yab happened, rrat slain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12148806
>I point out the norm
>you point out an outlier
>aha this outlier is now the norm, SUCK IT
shouldnt you stay in your cover moderated /hlgg/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149306
>I point out the norm
>The norm that doesn't exist because holoEN was and still does get sponsored streams after coco
Hololive literally just did two partnerships with streams for d4dj and bang dream within the past two weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149507
>no reply to the outlier
you should go back there. you cant survive without cover moderation here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149306
Do you really think all those Japanese devs and Disney-Marvel (China's lovechild) would still give perms and sponsorships to this day if they were worried about their "reputation"?

Also very nice cope to say "I-I was talking about in general all along" when you were specifically responding to the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149537
It's not an outlier because the rest of what I said, do you know how to read anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149587
Oh wait is that tard trying to say he meant in general? Then why post it specifically in this thread replying to that op. I just thought he couldn't read but maybe he's actually retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
SELEN I KNOW YOU ARE /HERE/ PLEASE MARRY ME I LOVE YOU SO MUCH, I'LL BE THE ONE TO GET MY SHOULDER WET WHEN WE ARE WALKING UNDER AN UMBRELLA TOGETHER

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149587
>I-I was talking about in general all along
of course I'm talking about in general, why would I take about the OP when the OP industry already chose nijiEN?
hence the norm. I dont consider outliers as norm sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149730
you definitely will be getting your shoulder wet, she'll take up more than half of it, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>12149730

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>>12149762
Man, you really want to push your head fantasy version of reality as "the norm" when that is simply not the case. None of us can really tell how the image of Cover is perceived by other companies, we can only make assumptions based on evidence. And the evidence is few and inconclusive. Unless you would like to provide other examples?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12143909
for me it's Full Combo-ing Mei [A]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJLrpPTiio

[Anonymous No.]

>>12126242
Its more like she'll act like a girl you take to an arcade who isn't taking the game seriously but is still having fun laughing her ass off about how silly it is.

She's the perfect girl to sell a casual game, she's not going to shill it and pretend its some super serious amazing rhythm game, she's going to play it as a fun vidya and have fun doing it because she's a true gamer. And that authentic real energy will come through to the audience and convince them to buy it too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124321
Yashikizu is the face of rythm game vtuber, even got invited as commentator for tournament. Not to mention project sekai has been sponsoring nijisanji for a long time now. Of course they would go for nijiEN.
If you search puroseka in youtube with プロセカ vtuber, and filter to most viewed, it's mostly niji or their clip. Not to mention a lot of them plays it. This decision was never surprising.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12145245
but feesh had over 1k for the majority of her stream yesterday when almost every other Niji EN girl was going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12150198
That actually makes sense. Like, hardcore rhythm game fans probably already know if they're gonna buy it or not. You want someone who doesn't play them to show the casual audience they don't have to be extreme rhythm autists to enjoy it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12127535
The god among salary man

[Anonymous No.]

Comparing Yashiro to Gura?Why would the holonigger from this board think a normie swarmed gaijin vtuber is more relevant than a literal 皆伝 God?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12151035
can he beat Dolce and U.TAKA?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12124516
>Rhythm games don't have a professional scene.
never underestimate the autism of gamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>12151077
slight weaker than Dolce,just a little bit
https://youtu.be/5hBZIC8VctM

[Anonymous No.]

>>12140612
so was your pathetic miserable life

[Anonymous No.]

>>12151035
You answered your own question, they don't even know who he is or how to spell Project Sekai, for that matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12151115
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12nxsTZXDdo