Why is it so hard for Western chuubas to get GFE right?

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Is it just a cultural thing? Seems like pretty standard practice for JP Vtubers.

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>>11991717
It’s because they are whores, autistic, or both

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>>11991717
Pretty much. Japs have this weird culture of rent a GF/BF NEET thing. GF ASMR etc.

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>>11991717
They can't hide their bf's well enough

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You get more from onlyfans lmao.

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GFE isn't really culturally developed in the West the way it is in Japan. In Japan it has its root in geishas and host clubs.

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>>11991717
>Why is it so hard for Western chuubas to get GFE right?
they can start by not having a boyfriend.

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Japan is a pathetic country full of low testosterone males. There’s no market for that kind of widespread GFE in countries with actual men.

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>>11991717
Yes, it is culture.
Jap men are worked to death, have little to no time to get into relationships, and to top it off have 0 confidence if they didn't date while in school (most don't). Given that most don't, it is not uncommon for men to voice how lonely they feel and for others to agree. They basically say
>I am so lonely, wish I had an onee-chan type GF to come home to that would cook and clean my ears
And thousands of people voice their agreement, and compensated dating companies/GFE streamers notice this.
Of course, you're one of the weirder ones for preferring to be soothed by a vtuber rather than a real person, like anywhere else in the world. But yeah, it is a cultural difference. In the west, if you can't get a gf the problem is squarely and uniquely you. And women are the ones that spread this mentality more than men.

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>>11991717
West values sex/porn more, east values emotional support more.

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>>11992294
>countries with actual men
Surely you're not talking about the same western countries that has all-boys incel clubs like the Proud Boys?

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>>11992072
>>11992223
Its Geisha, it all goes back to Geisha. Nothing more japanese than cherry blossoms, mountains and Geishas.

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>>11992355
this sort of post is why people laugh at me when i say western values/ civilization. stfu and just say culture retard
>>11991717
is it a western thing? you have to check if GFE is a thing in different countries. from my unknowing eyes it seems japan is pretty unique on the level of GFE services they have

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>>11991717
Watch smaller chuubas that need to be more personal with their audience to stay relevant.

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>>11992388
You will never be Japanese.

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The hell is GFE?

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>>11992335
I'd argue that the cultural difference is much more prevalent than just the west. Chinese and Koreans don't do GFE and SEA is the capital region of sex trafficking. This is a uniquely Japanese thing of turning the opportunity to be accompanied by a female into a marketable commodity.

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>>11992388
>>11992586
are there mysognistic subcultures in other countries? incels are quite a level of woman-centric

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>>11992388
Get out of here cringelib this is a vtuber neighborhood.

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>>11991717
Start by not having an eddy

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>>11992625
Girl Friend Experience

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well since we're mostly in agreement it's a japan thing... why did the GFE part of vtubing from japan not cross into the western market? is it lack of a market or talent?

to be fair the only real bringers would be the corpos, and hololive has 2 generations, niji has 3 now, what about the others?

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>>11992355
>West values sex/porn more
only on the surface

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>>11992796
Western men aren’t as pathetic as Japanese men. That’s the only reason.
Wanting virtual waifus is a uniquely Japanese problem.

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>>11992674
>implying vtuber fans aren't primarily cringelib

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>>11991717
Because the western audience isn't as emotionally needy as the japanese audience. Whereas nips watch Vtubers to pretend to have female interaction and imagine they actually have friends to cope with the crippling solitude of their shitty social environment, the rest of the world watch vtubers for entertainment. We see over here much more value in, say, the highly edited clips of Gura failing at simple math for the laughs than, say, Noel doing ASMR telling you to go to sleep.

The west has adapted to streamers to the point where a good chunk of viewers are "post-parasocial" and openly make fun of streamers who pander to that. GFE doesn't fly on the west because, for the most part, westerners don't want a girlfiend to fantasize they want a clown to laugh at.

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>>11992294
>Western men
Kek

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>>11992870
You will never be Japanese.

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>>11992796
Yura from Prism project seems to understand the concept well as she has outright said she won't get into an IRL relationship as long as she is a Vtuber and takes the virtual girlfriend role seriously.

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>>11991717
Can i get an example of gfe? Its just seems like memes

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>>11992903
Never said that, nu male.

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>>11992388
>incel clubs like the Proud Boys?
Rent free.
1 proud boy alone has more testosterone than all liberal """males""" combined.

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>>11992927
Heres the catch: Everyone here is talking about how superior gfe is on the JP side, but none of them actually speak Japanese to be able to confirm this.
Just a bunch of retards crying about the grass being greener on the other side, they cant actually give you good examples.

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>>11992939
Yet you desperately wish you were.
Probably have some underlying attraction to very submissive women due to your own lack of confidence and sexual experience.
Sorry, what’s this “nu male” business?

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>>11992796
Cultural differences, non jp audiences are weebs. Jps are well, jp

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>>11992388
>>11992668
Incels are basically male feminists in that they rationalize all their personal problems through the hatred of women. And the best part is how both of them justify each other's existence.

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>>11993033
>Projection maximus
Kek.

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>>11992119
This is part of the reason. Think about they're still getting simp bucks just not as much due to people knowing too much and being wiser.
>>11992294>>11992223>>11992335
These are other good reasons. The masculinity in japan right now is really for whatever reason.

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>>11992927
GFE is just whatever your kami oshi does

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then how about if corpos just hire ESLs to do GFE, what's stopping them?

>>11992912
>won't get into relationship while doing role
>takes the gf role seriously
incredibly based and purposepilled

>>11992939
>>11993033
can we not devolve in so1boy vs 1ncel thread, one of you be a man and ignore the other.

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>>11991717
In the west casual GFE doesn't really exist. You only have sex workers who do roleplay. Unless you want full on camgirls you are not getting GFE in the west.

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No one seems to mention how much the JP girls enjoying doing it

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>>11992764
Fuck Eddy!

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>>11993182
Okay. Burger hours always bring out these "people" anyways.

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>>11993219
Rushia and Lamy are mentally ill.

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>>11993282
That’s what makes them the queens of GFE

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>>11993261
>these “people”
You are so assblasted it’s visible from orbit.
That desperate for a nippon GF to suck your virgin peenie while you shitpost?

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>>11993282
can we turn Kiara into Rushia level menhera then?

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>>11992986
I speak Japanese, "GFE" is a stupid term misused a lot to the point having meaningful discussions about it is difficult, but yes, it's better JP side among certain vtubers. Boyfriend experience as well is better JP side. It's too complicated for me to want to type out 5 paragraphs but yes JP does it best.

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>>11993333
Fuck you win. The quads too strong. I kneel.

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>>11992912
Yeah just literally watch Yura. She's the best GFE in the west for a good reason AND a talented streamer.

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>>11992912
Cope. Her BF tore his frenulum last night because he was fucking her so ferociously. The best mindset to have with vtubers is to assume they're all getting fucked daily, especially your oshi, that way you can enjoy them as pure entertainment. If they genuinely stay pure for a vtubing gig, that's really fucking weird considering the relative privacy the medium provides.

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>>11993427
>relative privacy the medium provides
Not when /vt/ can easily doxx them

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>>11993282
and what of Okayu, Korone, Nene, Mio, Sora?

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>>11992927
>rushia
look at tho stream reaction of marry me and dont leave me alone etc.

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>>11993504
s-sora doesn't do gfe.. i just enjoy her company
mio's ukele streams are peak relax/sleep

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>>11993570
maybe not all the time but she did literally go on a date with her viewers

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>>11992796
In my opinion, its just due to culture developed over 300 years of trying to disrupt rigid Confucian-like customs wherein love had secondary importance to the other roles a wife fulfilled within the marriage (managing a household). As such, courtesans' – who provided not only sexual enjoyment, but also romantic attachment and artistic entertainment – were seen as both an outlet for men, and common companions.

The rest of the world has no need for Geishas since marriage is assumed to have the woman fulfill all the needs for the man. Or their society has placed less emphasis on marriage so female companionship is casual and expected; no need to make it a commodity.

All GFE accomplishes in the context of vtubers is what a geisha would have done but without the formality, without the physical contact, and at a price within the budget of most lonely Japanese men.

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>>11993504
>Okayu
coping with being fat
>Korone
Old and no friends outside of holos
>Nene
retarded
>Mio
she missed her chance at being a real mother >Sora?
mainly a meme that she does GF pandering but she might be becoming more parasocial.

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>>11993342
man, i wish
imagine a retard chicken gfe stream
pure kino

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>>11993638
what are you even saying, western girls aren't fat and retarded?

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>>11993504
Okayu's GFE makes me diamonds like you wouldn't fucking believe, I don't go for that shit anywhere else but her voice and the shit she says and does just fucking get me man. I love that fatto catto.

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>>11992851
>Wanting virtual waifus is a uniquely Japanese problem.
Holy shit I've finally become Japanese, thanks anon.
I WILL be Japanese
I WILL live in Japan
I WILL be happy

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>>11993724
You will never be Japanese.

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>>11993794
No you don't understand, according to anons in this thread I'm Japanese because I like GFE

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>>11993485
True, but that's only an issue if they're in a relationship. They can still fuck if they're single or have a fuck buddy. They are charming women in their 20's; you'd have to be delusional to think they're holding their totally natural urges back behind the scenes. The hikki ones might and some of them could be asexual, but they're usually not the GFE types anyway.

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>>11993282
Lamy isn't mentally ill.
>>11993504
Korone, Okayu, and Nene all do good "GFE" experience by allowing their audience to fall in love and go crazy over them. They give fanservice, care about interacting with their fans, and display affection to their fans. Really it's for a lot of people the ideal girlfriend even if it's just that much, you just need consent and affection. It's like casual GFE, no hard strings attached, just enjoy the relationship/girl. I don't feel confident enough to comment on Mio & Sora. Sora more is like the ideal standard girl "girlfriend" but she doesn't really do anything too excessive to appeal to what GFE in the vtubing is so don't really know how I feel like classifying her. Mio I don't really get your classification as GFE, I unironically get too much mama vibes. Like when she says to her viewers in chat "its ok to take a day off from school but dont take too many off" when they say they dont want to go to school in her morning streams.

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>>11993627
yeah but the same phenomena didn't happen in other Confucius countries like Korea, China or Vietnam

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>>11993877
Well can't help it that there's kids in the audience and she's clearly not.
Morning streams are inherently more intimate. During those morning streams tells everyone who says they're leaving to do their best, the topics are also often the type of topics you would have in the morning with a significant other.
It's the most mature version of GFE, thats why it works as a mom thing

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>>11991717
Fauna is for mother friend experience.

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>>11993529
>google rushia marry me
>its just menhera acting
Yea ok japan can win that one

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>>11993979
I guess I never thought of Mio as "hot single moms in your area" but if that's your refined taste then yes, I guess she's optimal GFE in that way.

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>>11994062
Only true fans ever see the not played up as a joke version.

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>>11994229
I dont think theres many vstreamer viewers who dont want kayfabe

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>>11991717
Western girls do not have a feminine bone in their body. They know how to act lewd and thats about it.

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it is possible for an era of gfe to be coming; while vtubers like pekora, gura, miko, suisei aren't at all gfe, they're making vtubing more mainstream and vtubing at least originally has some elements that do gfe

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>>11993627
From what i can tell, idols are the modern day version of geishas for japanese. Geisha culture is itself a product of the very strict and deeply feudal clan system in japan. Other confucian countries werent feudal in that way.
Japans deep feudalism is also why they managed to industrialise before the others too, imo

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>>11993877
>Lamy isn't mentally ill

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>>11992912
based, might check her out

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>>11991882
GFE is LITERALLY a whore practice.

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>>11995076
no wonder I love whores so much

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>>11991717
Cultural. Western chicks only care about using you and lying, usually something you don't prefer in a GF. Nevermind the fact they have actual relationships so it kind of pulls you out of the immersion.

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>>11994985
>>11993877
>>11993282
Ramy-chan does GFE? I admit I don't know much about her other than tits, drinking and being somewhat horny. She's also menhera?

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>>11991717
Western women are trained in the art of cuckolding.
Japanese women actually want to be breed and loved.

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>>11994924
>>11995140
>>11995170
feminine, submissive hands wrote this

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>>11995161
Yes Lamy does GFE. No she's not mentally ill. I disagree with the other anon completely. Lamy is mentally well adjusted.

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>>11995357
She's just a drunk.

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>>11995357
I've never seen anything to imply she's mentally ill either. Watched her play Link's Awakening, Outer Wilds and MH.

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>>11995516
she might be mentally disabled, she definitely turned me mentally disabled during her Outer Wilds stream.

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>>11992851
>Western men aren’t as pathetic as Japanese men.
Not even close. Jap males might be hobby obsessed and fail to mature. But none of that competes with the submissive conquered cuckold punching bag that's the western """""""""""""""""""""""""male""""""""""""""""""""""".

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>>11992625
e-girls pandering to and exploiting their viewers vulnerabilities with fake sympathy in order to rake in simp bucks. it's incredibly based, I watched a Rushia stream one time and ended up donating my life savings away

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>>11994880
>vtubers like pekora
>aren't at all gfe

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>>11995815
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[Anonymous No.]

Sharing enough private lives/activities and in-depth personal thoughts.

GFE gods all do this perfectly. Girls who have BF can't do this naturally because they have to draw the line somewhere in their minds about what information/thought is too personal.

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>>11991717
>Is it just a cultural thing?

Yes. Western girls are raised on a diet of girlboss media and have no conception of GFE.

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>>11995815
all of these is really sweet, i should watch more peko

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>all these retards
Is it a cultural thing? In a manner of speaking. But it has nothing to do with fucking geishas or hostess clubs.
It's simply about customer service.
Western women can do GFE just fine if they want to, but it's embarassing to them and is a pain, so they half ass it. Japanese girls don't half ass it because of the "Customer is God" service culture and expectations of excellence they have over there.

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>>11996546
i miss that model... the unexpressive but leaning faces are so expressive..

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>half of this thread tacitly accepts that GFE is inherently fake in every way while discussing it
This is why. The mindset of manipulating other people and that other people are manipulating you if you show weakness or desire for another is baked into the western consciousness.
When you're trained to be afraid of being dependent on other people, and trained to hate people who are dependent on other people, this is what happens.

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>>11995864
>>11996510

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>>11996657
I now understand why Rabbits want to fuck like crazy.

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>>11996614
point to us to the western philosophy that is for independence and point to us how that independence leads to distrust of the motives of others. point to us the philosophy that says man cannot be trusted.

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>1:53:51 [EN] Don't worry everyone...I'll do my best for you, so you do your best too please~
>1:54:07 [EN] Don't overdo it but do your best please...
>1:54:19 [EN] I got a normal rod though...is that even possible?
>1:54:37 [EN] I haven't had much chance to talk to Marine-senpai..I wanna talk
>1:55:34 [EN] "Senchou would be happy if you chat w her" Yeah usually she replies quickly
>2:00:32 [EN] To me, the present is important. If I mess up or work too hard it's on me. I do understand it when you worry about me.. it's really complicated
>2:01:10 [EN] To me streaming is relaxing...but you are all like please rest on Twitter and all, that would be tiring for me!
>2:01:28 [EN] I'm basically a streamer... I maintain my mental state with streamer..
>2:02:38 [EN] What I'm happy about, is when I see you write stuff like "I'm like this cause Lamy said this" and all
>2:03:10 [EN] I can't live if I don't talk! I'll die! That's painful!
>2:03:26 [EN] 15 minute long stream? That would be too bad!
>2:04:03 [EN] I do think about taking a break for a week to get my throat to 100%, but I'm thinking I'll have a mental break before that happens
>2:04:44 [EN] (SC: You're a unmoving Yukihana Maguro san right) Yup Im Maguro
>2:05:19 [EN] I do also like seeing all your painful tweets like, "I'm in pain not having Lamy..."
>2:05:37 [EN] Hey~ when I'm away you can only think of me right? It's so painful right?
>2:05:45 [EN] It's too painful right~ You'll go ill
>2:06:00 [EN] I got an enchant book...knockback, damage and punch, that's okay
>2:06:12 [EN] "It's painful peko" Peko I see..
>2:06:57 [EN] I do know! You'll go "it hurts" but then on day 5 you start saying other girls' names
>2:07:59 [EN] This is one of those girl-guy difference things..girls want sympathy right? My manager is a lady but she thinks like a guy!

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>>11993344
>trust me bro

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>>11996781
From: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsU8lMdm2j8
>i-it's made up
use vtdata and filter comments with [EN], scroll to load them all and ctrl-f.

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>>11996781
Lamy's love is deep!

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>>11992454
holy shit that manly jaw

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>>11996713
Nietzsche. Sarte also went on rants about authenticity and facades. There's a general zeitgeist of distrust of rationality, attacks on morality, & distrust of metanarratives.
In terms of material conditions, the destruction of solidarity & unions among the working class, the bougeois ideology of every man for himself and his own maximum profit. Rightists praise every man for himself and cheating your way into profit, leftists inherently have a distrust for everything associated with a profit motive.
I don't really care to elaborate any specific point or claim them as true, just a variety of viewpoints in hope you look at one and think "that explains it".

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>>11996960
hardly

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>>11996713
>point to us to the western philosophy that is for independence
Is this an earnest question or are you shitpost
>point to us how that independence leads to distrust of the motives of others
Believing that you can have your cake and eat it too is a juvenile fantasy for people who ironically cannot handle the fact that actions have consequences.
>point to us the philosophy that says man cannot be trusted
This is broader than my actual statement by multiple degrees of magnitude.
Trusting a particular and very specific person with your heart while desiring for that to be a reciprocal, dignified, and authentic relationship is looked down upon in the west.
It's because while we fight social darwinism for almost everything else we've let it take complete hold of relationships and begun to see it as something you can "win". And the people who win in dependent power dynamics are people who don't care about other people, so they became the "winners", and people started to emulate the "winners" and their behavior. Devaluing attachment over time.

So the west has plenty of people willing to feed a starving person and sees it as a virtue, but has nobody willing to provide a (nonplatonic)love-starved person what they'd need and actively looks down upon a person starved of it.

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Because every western vtuber has a boyfriend, only the autistic male ones are most likely to be single and would provide BFE if it wasn't so cringe

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>>11996781
I want to get drunk with Lamy and have some real sloppy, drunken sex.

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>>11993427
“Relative privacy” isn’t good enough when one doxxer can find out, spread the word, it spreads like wildfire and then your paypigs find out and drop/cancel you.

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>>11997050
your sources, which I agree to, definitely point towards a philosophy that very much attacks independence rather than promote it. and these ideas are one that promote need for control and dependence.

the opposite of distrust of rationality, attacks on morality, the marxist ideologies ARE the (closest) philosophies that support.

the original point contradicts the evidence you provide that independence is linked to distrust and that dependancy is based on trust.

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>>11993427
It is cope for her. She has insane insecurities about typical in person relationships despite being fit and by all accounts attractive. Chat is her BFE. Frankly, I hope she drops chat for a real boyfriend one day, but for now enjoy the ride.

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>>11992119
My oshi has a bf and I had to dig reeeeeally deep to find out about him. She scrubbed everything about him off hers and her friends' accounts so the only way of finding about him is searching for specific keywords on her twitter on Google's cached sites.
She doesn't GFEs or bait for money so I know her heart is in the right place. If she did any of that she would be scum but she probably thinks the same way. Whenever he talks about him she says "my family".

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>>11996676
picrel
>>11995815
Do you remember why Pekora broke down crying and took that 3 day break? What she said?
She broke down because she wanted so badly to get a project going for nousagi and was willing to literally fund it herself in its entirety just for us. She felt like she didn't deserve them or what they did for her and seeing a confirmation that she couldn't reciprocate like she wanted literally made her break down.
The other time she nearly broke down? A fall guys stream where chat froze. When she realized she couldn't talk to us anymore her performance rapidly dropped and she started to hyperventilate and almost cry. She literally felt alone and abandoned when we weren't there for her to the point of a panic attack.
You can see this directly commented on sometimes by her, as one of the reasons she is reticent to do VR is that she can't see chat and she can explicitly stated as such. It literally makes her feel more nervous in and of itself.
>rrat
Ask the pekothread and they'll confirm every event I mentioned here. I peddle no rrats here friend.

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>>11997050
your sources, which I agree to, definitely point towards a philosophy that very much attacks independence rather than promote it. and these ideas are one that promote need for control and dependence.
the opposite of distrust of rationality, attacks on morality, the marxist ideologies ARE the (closest) philosophies that support.
the original point contradicts the evidence you provide that independence is linked to distrust and that dependancy is based on trust.
>>11997149
read the first post, that claims that (1) manipulation/distrust is a western philosophy and (2) independency points to manipulation/distrust.
you evaded giving an answer by calling it juvenile, kys

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>>11995815
>blocks people who watch other girls than her
I would un-member and un-sub right then and there.

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>>11997444
This is the trade-off between corpos and indies. With corpos you likely have some of the work done for you.
HOWEVER corpos also come with inoculation from consequence should it be found it due to the audience size
This is why Hololive is a blessing. It is a corpo with a JP-side culture of promoting GFE. It makes the girls circumstances easier to find AND punishes them for certain circumstances. I know people will say that certain vtubers and branches don't do worse for not pandering to GFE either on stream or off-stream but yet everytime a male interaction results in a very noticeable immediate spike downwards it's always coped away, like call stream with Moona a while ago where two dudes resulted in a dip, slow ass come back, and then the drop after the had their second chance abused.

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>>11997629
I think it's people who are rubbing it in that they're watching other people, and she's talking about blocking them on that marshmallow thing it seems like

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>>11997369
I was more just backing up the other anon's point that "The mindset of manipulating other people and that other people are manipulating you if you show weakness or desire for another is baked into the western conciousness." Most everyone agrees its a problem to be solved (beside psychos who follow objectivism and idolikze serial killers) but it is a problem and is acknowledged as the state of things in the west.

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>>11997629

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>>11992927
pretty much everything is GFE.
"One of the boys" is GFE. Selen is GFE.
Tomboy is GFE. Subaru is GFE.
Girly girl is GFE. Lamy is GFE.
ASMRtists are GFE. Noel/Fauna are GFE.
Chat interaction is GFE. Korone is GFE.

Everything is GFE to desperately, lonely incel weebs.

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>>11997812
recent?

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GFE requires the streamer to put the viewer's happiness and desires within the stream first, even if it's all just an act they have to be convincing.
Western streaming culture encourages a serious sense of entitlement from the streamer's perspective, where the streamer's enjoyment is prioritized over the viewer. You can see this reflected in the audience, and this goes doubly for female streamers, where the viewers behave like the streamer can literally do no wrong, no matter how shitty, awful, lazy or selfish they might behave. This mentality has obvious roots in wider societal problems, but that discussion isn't really important to this.
tldr: western simps are so undemanding and submissive that the streamers don't even need to pretend and do gfe.

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>>11997879
It's months old

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>>11991717
But gura is the western gfe holo.

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>>11997879
Early May this year
>>11997812
Fuck you for showing メン限 posts

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>>11997629
The blocking is an exaggeration, the pang of jealousy and and possessiveness which results in a very Pekora-like grumping and bratty hikki is not
It's actually not uncommon at all for vtubers to be somewhat possessive like that, Marine talks about a similar related behavior here with some level of normalcy on the topic indicating that she is at least not unfamiliar with the concept and that it doesn't strike her as bewildering like it would if she thought it was uncommon
https://youtu.be/bsmLlP_z0x4?t=29

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>>11992625
Gilbert FrEeman

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>>11997961
This one is everywhere on this board. Also the translation is absolute shit anyway.

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>>11997796
the other anon's evidences point to dependence/control being the logical step to distrust of people.
good one on making a strawman to a philosphy for independence that doesn't put the mindset of manipulation as a nature of man. this is the second time you put an unrelated insult to avoid answering a point, kys.

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>>11997879
Months old but she hasn't particularly changed.

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>>11993840
look at those sandals omegalul

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>>11997879
Months old but she hasn't changed.

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Relax guys im crazy myself I was just wondering if it was about me

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>>11997947
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0fam5SfqDk

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>>11998168
If you're referring to the Rushia membership post then no, she @'d the Korean dude on Twitter about it and he then responded by fucking with her. Whole exchange deleted by now obviously.

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>>11998000
?
You're so illiterate that I've yet to understand why you are upset. I never insulted you prior to this, unless you believe in objectivism, in which case you deserve to get fucked and your illiteracy makes perfect sense.
"Strawman"? Do you read philosophy? You were the one who originally misrepresented the other anon's argument as "independence leads to distrust of the motives of others", he claimed people are trained to dislike dependence and mistrust others. Reread "Also sprach Zarathustra" and show where Nietszche liked dependence and trusting others.

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>>11998456
It was about something else, the Korean anti is why images leaked of the post for retards to share around.
>>11998168
Don't worry it aint about you

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>>11998511
>you're so illiterate
your last point about nietszche literally adds to my response to the other anon, you fucking blind retard.
>unless you believe
changing directions, the strawman is that you're claiming philosophies that propose independence also propose distrust, manipulation etc, the very same point I started the contention over the original post for.
>never insulted
>juvenile >misrepresented >what he actually claimed
kys

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>>11991717
Western culture leans so heavily on physical sexuality to attract men that women have forgotten how to capture the hearts of men

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>>11992388
You call them an incel club but if you watch their meetups on youtube theyre full of fit men hanging out with their girlfriends. You may not like proud boy nationalism but saying theyre an incel club is hilariously wrong

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>>11995597
You will never be Japanese, and Japan will never be a good country.

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>>11998695
I am >>1199705 and >>11997796 not >>11997149 , if you couldn't tell by me referring to him as the other anon, but you are functionally illiterate so no wonder your reader comprehensions fails as well.
Nietzsche does promote both independence and distrust. He does not promote manipulating others, only wacko people who subscribe to objectivism would believe that (which, one could claim is western philosophy if they wanted to insult the entirety of western philosophy by association). Do I need to walk over to my bookshelf and get my copy out to start quoting at you? You ever read him or did you just hear about him once in an introductory undergrad course in which you read second hand literature about what they thought Nietzsche thought? Please.

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>>11998938 (me)
Sorry, I am >>11997050 * , I accidentally hit a backspace in the middle and got rid of a zero.

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>>11998938
>>11998695
>>11998511
niggers.

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>>11996546
>because of the "Customer is God" service culture and expectations of excellence they have over there.
Anon "the customer is always right" is an incredibly American concept. You couldn't go into a Japanese restaurant demanding substitutions in the same way you could in America.

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>>11999093
Your cause and effect are wrong. Japs don’t make requests because they’re submissive doormats who think it’s rude to prioritize self-satisfaction.

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>>11998938
>>11998984
fucking poetry, kys.

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>>11998511
>do you read philosophy
holy cringe, get a real job

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>>11999147
>this is the second time you put an unrelated insult to avoid answering a point, kys
This also you?

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>>11999145
and yet Japans culture produces cultural pressure which produces people who actually want to serve the customer well of their own volition in great enough degrees that GFE becomes possible.
I don't even care to discuss whether it's good or bad overall, but that is what it is and that's why GFE can't take off here unless we get a girl even more schizo than Rushia that was like home-schooled and kept away from guys or w/e for her entire life

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>>11991717
Fauna is my big sister who encourages me to exercise.

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Because in the west women dont know how to be women anymore they dont know how to be a gf

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Watame is JFS, Jesus friend simulator, prove me wrong

You can't

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>>12000427
>dont know how to be women anymore
no, reality is they don't have the chains of accountability holding them back anymore and now they can let their whole womanhood out, which is the problem, because women just ruin everything they touch

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>>11992388
Are you an actual idiot or what?

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>>11992912
>>11993427
>>11993485
>>11993843
>>11997263
>>11997422
Stop attempting to ghost-doxx Yura, niggers.

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>>11999147
>you evaded giving an answer by calling it juvenile, kys
This you?
If you believe so much in that people dodging making points and dodging making questions should kill themselves, I'd advise you not to be a hypocrite and follow through on your advice.

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>>11991717
Silvervale of Vshojo is unironically the queen of western gfe. She has people, plural, within this tier inside her disc.

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>>12001080
Tiers like that are fucked and legitimately exploitative.

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>>12001080
Yikes

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>>12001138
What's wrong? Don't you want to show her that you REALLY love her?

All gfe tubers are exploitative by their nature. Every single one.

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>>11991717
To me vtubers are just FE

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>>12001300
When I donate $100, I set my price and the most I receive is a message read. It is all voluntary, there are no material benefits of being closer to my oshi that I'm missing out on. A $1000 dollar tier compels the "collector" mindset, to have to get. And it especically fucks with Gachikoi. The "only if you're financially responsible" is a lie - the entire point of that tier is to establish a line in the sand between people who pay that tier and people who don't. And it's a $1000 bucks a month, that's fucked. It's pay to win on a whole another level.
If my oshi had a $1000 tier, I'd be fucked. Actually fucked. Luckily I can just donate as I want and not really miss out on anything while being financially not in ruin.

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>>12001616
>It is all voluntary
It is all 100% voluntary. But gfe preys on simps and emotionally weak males who, by their nature, cannot get a woman themselves and find a platonic/sexual satisfaction with a complete stranger through an icon or discord role. You might not, though I doubt it if you're using the term oshi unironically, but every single one of them is being exploitative. This isn't giving a street performer a 5 in their hat and walking away, it's a parasitic relationship that only goes one way with an absolute zero chance of it every being reciprocated.

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>>12001080
Greetings from Kazakhstan.

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>>12001870
It’s a tale as old as time; a fool and his money is quickly parted. I only hope $1000 is nothing to those who simp at that level.

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>>12002147
Got into a vc one time with two of them in it. Had anime avatars and sounded like twinks, not chad oil barons.

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>>11998364
was this a while ago? her model is so flat-looking, it's so strange compared to everyone else.

>we welcome you with open toes

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>>12001870
Yeah but making explicit tiers of more worthy and less worthy is fucked. The only people who should have $1000 tiers are the vtubers that are sex workers. A $1000 dollars for bragging rights and slight preference is really fucked, its both not worth the money and exploiting gachikoi.
People who tip money on GFE are at least doing it with no explicit expectation of return on investment for donatin $100 vs $200. Offering explicit benefits is fucked.

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>>12002236
Considering that it was apparently only added as a result of community requests... I think it's safe to say that they're happy with themselves.

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>>11991717
god i wanna use fauna horn thingies
https://litter.catbox.moe/dqggw7.png

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>>12002457
>The only people who should have $1000 tiers are the vtubers that are sex workers
All gfe vtubers are whores. They give males sexual satisfaction and contentment for money. I'm being a pedant I know, not even melody goes as high as that, but its true. An escort that gives the "gfe" weekend without committing explicitly physical sexual acts is still a whore. Just a smart one.

As >>12002236 says, never take away an opportunity to separate a fool from his money. And this particular gfe tuber is just more shameless with her whoring than the others.

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Just watch Ayamy if you want GFE that speaks some bits of English.

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>>12002724
No... I mean the ones that are literally offering VC chats where you masturbate with them for $500. Those sex workers don't actually do GFE either, like they just do lewd ASMR, its professional. You're buying a worthwhile service, it's not emotional manipulation. It's the difference between a prostitute and a girlfriend. You don't get attached to the prostitute. You do to your girlfriend. Both take your money. Spending $1000 on a prostitute is you spending for a service. But a girlfriend asking explicitly for $1000 a month to display your affection is fucked. You willing spending $100 or $200 to show your affection is fine.

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Irys does it right for me. It's not overt. She's a tease that says and does things intentionally and unintentionally. When she says she misses chat the moment her chat log stops you can hear the sincerity. It's also a plus that her whines are adorable in nip. The way she said baka in her aikotoba 3 melted my heart. She's perfect.

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>>11992388
Look at the chud cope this post caused lmao, excellent bait anon.

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>>12003076
You're assuming its all just for the coom. Silver talks to her patreons all the time in their locked channels. She's as careful to herd her simps as Rushia, but again she's just less shameful in it with the $1000 price tag.

And you keep using the girlfriend label as if it's true or as some cope to not admit that she's a whore. A girlfriend takes your money and gives sexual satisfaction too but isn't a stranger, unlike a whore. A gfe vtuber will always be a stranger, will never live with you, and is as fleeting as your monthly or singular payments to her. Like a whore. Which they are.

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>>11991717
I remember reading a tindr profile of a 5 foot 1 girl who wanted a 6 foot 1 boyfriend and ghosted anyone -below- that. Western women are just kind of shitty and entitled in general, personality wise, because for some reason media has made them think acting like total shit is okay or even desirable.

This is why you get whores and women in relationships trying to squeeze lonely men for cash. Because they literally were not raised to have a conscience, so they will never feel that they are doing something evil. Rather if you point out the wrongness of what they do, they will call you an incel (that is, morally evil) for opposing their grift.

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>>12003324
ok but you at least agree with me the $1000 tier is fucked right

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>>11992863
Ironic weeaboos are never actually fans.

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>>11991717
Western chuuba only come in bitch flavor not GF

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>>12003462
Absolutely.

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>>11995694
Rushia is actually mentally retarded though.

>>11992625
Women who use 'being a woman' to get money, instead of being actually good at entertaining people. Usually goes down in flames when it turns out they're taking dick on the side, making their viewers realize they should have just gotten a girlfriend in real life.

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>>11991717
I can't imagine anyone from Holo EN trying to do GFE without them busting out laughing during.

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>>12001080
I would totally buy into this if it was Vei NGL

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>>12003672
Kiara and Amelia are the real GFE because their passive aggressive whining about everything and constantly berating chat for stupid reasons

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>>12003735
You could move to her home town, buy an entire block because the exchange is insane because its a 2nd world shithole, pay for 10 local women to live there and support, fuck, and make your OWN vtubing company with Vei clones anon. Whats stopping you?

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>>11992223
But Girlfriend Experience is a term that western prostitutes use for ages.

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>>12003097
IRyS definitely has potential. Some of her "secret endings" are pretty much GFE.

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>>11996781
Based. She lives for her passion, cares for her fans and her fans care for her.

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>>11992335
>tfw no gf to cook my ears

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>>11993599
The greatest stream. Brown eyed Sora is best.

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>>12003944
I don't want a full-on GFE. That will be cringe af. The way Irys does it is pretty close to how you would experience it with a real girl that is playing games with you. A girl who isn't particularly good at it but wants to play them anyways so you have to hold her hand.

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>>12002867
Can't take the kissy sounds.

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>>11996781
I like all the elf holos.

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>>11996781
>>11995815
Holy Shit, this behavior is pathetic if actually real, no self respecting human should be this attached to a literal wall of text, if this is a simple con act instead, then based, GFE seekers deserve to be be emotionally manipulated and hurt wherever and whenever possible.

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Kaneko lumi has talked about how she doesn't date or talk to men and has referred to chat as her husband. She also apologizes if her character gets married in a game saying something like, "sorry chat but I'm a guy in the game so it doesn't count I still love you guys". This was during her crusader kings 3 stream. So it exists if you know where to look.

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>>12003762
kiara doesn,t do that

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>>11995815
>pekora cucked by rushia

Based.

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>>12004485
Lumi is the /here/ GFE
Not that is a good thing

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>>11993570
Modern Sora rides a very fine line of GFE in my opinion. In the early years she definitely did tap into GFE, she did plenty of role playing skits and believe it or not, ASMR (although in one case she was probably taking the piss, imagine resting in Sora's lap getting your ears cleaned, complete with ear blowing, but you had to listen to Sora shill out for a crappy mobile game. Still enjoyed it.)
>>11993638
Definitely more parasocial. Sora a year ago would never talk about her personal life, and she said so herself. Now she does it all the time.

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Eastern girls are more used to standard gender roles, and appeal to the GFE. Western thots either go ham and show their ass, or are way too abrasive to their fans.

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>>11996781
Well shit. I apologize for making fun of people who likes her.

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>>12004481
Your opinion has been discarded, roastie.

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>>12005505
>a year ago
>now
>parasocial
sola tan...

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>>11991717
Because it's actually believable that a cute 20-something year old japanese girl is still a virgin and has never had a boyfriend

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>>12007686
>what is 氏いない歴=年齢
>what is 喪女
>what is the massive spike in usage of those terms over the last 3-4 years

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>>12004481
>no self respecting human should be this attached to a literal wall of text
I mean you let the same text on a screen make you so contemptuous that you said
>GFE seekers deserve to be be emotionally manipulated and hurt wherever and whenever possible.
So if that text can make you act so differently I can't imagine why you think it can't go the other way

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>>11995108
whores are cool yeah

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>>11991717
lol fauna looks kinda cute there

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>>11997629
poor anons who mistake her being competitive and wanting to monopolize viewership and donations with her feeling "jealousy"

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>>12016857
When did your sense of hope die anon

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>>11992294
You're on 4chan bro
>>11992388
rekt

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>>12019965
a few months before i started watching japanese shit i guess

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>>11991717
En vtubers dont actually like their audience, its super cringe

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>>12004265
>buys binaural mic
Shes going down the gfe rabbit hole, a few months from now she'll be a parasocial

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>>12024140
She just needs tips from Noel and Lamy
Rushia is a bit too crazy

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>>12024377
>Rushia is a bit too crazy
i listened to one of hers once and it was pretty normal

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>>11992454
This

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>>11992294
/thread
Fuck herbivores and fuck you.

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>>11992454
Makes sense

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Both the arguments for and against GFE in this thread sounds borderline psychotic, what happened with having agency and deciding for yourself how you will engage with the content you are presented?

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>>11996801
watch streams

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>>11997896
>tldr: western simps are so undemanding and submissive that the streamers don't even need to pretend and do gfe.
This is why JP is the best.

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>>11992335
Chinky tranny hands typed this

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>>12032030
You can’t count on that in any media these days. Maybe you can do that, but you’re bound to find works you can’t find any substantial value in, or properties that are demonstrably flawed in fundamental ways that are still very popular even if they might not necessarily be a majority if you actually can evaluate things individually. The truth is that under examination, the biggest indicator of future success for something as old as books or as new as vtubers is advertisement and branding. Basically everything passed that for vtubing is still a crap shoot in this new industry.

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>>12007686
I know this is bait, but for any anons wondering, Japanese women are notoriously promiscuous. It’s normal for girls to do porn before they graduate high school.

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>>12033179
while you were jacking it 10 times in high school, eh, faggot

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>>12033225
Frustrated?
Your yellow fetish objects aren’t pure maidens saving themselves for a foreign otaku, anon.

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>>12033179
Asian women hide themselves better. That's all GFE is, really. Good acting.

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>>12033266
Cope

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>>11991717
They lack humility themselves or even cultural role models of humility so prevalent in japanese culture to help them fake it decently

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>>12033280
Ultimately that's all that all they are, actors who are there to entertain us. I don't care what a vtuber does outside of the stream as long as she can provide the content I'm subscribed for, that's all there is.

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>>11991717
Western women think love=sex, they can't understand true love.

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>>11992388
femcel hands typed this

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>>12033126
Why are you engaging in it then? No matter which "side" you are on you can only be responisble for yourself.

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>>11991717
femininity has been destroyed in the west.
women all think they're supposed to be masculine.
Intrinsic knowledge has been lost to the point that even women who want to be feminine can't figure out how to accomplish it.

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>>11992388
The fact anyone would pretend the west doesn't have an equivalent to lonely virgin herbivore men in japan when an incel commits a new mass shooting every other month is hilarious

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>>12001080
>I will appreciate you no matter the tier

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>>12038020
Every society has people at the bottom.
The west has deemed incels as an enemy worthy of ridicule and scorn. Japan coddles its incels and funds federal programs to try to get them laid.
It’s not a mystery why low value western men fetishize such a weak country.

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>unironically posting gfe vtubers ITT
They will get harrased by the twitter hate mob, dont do it. The west wants GFE to die because women can only be whores in the west.

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>>12038311
>demonize people who are suffering
enjoy your shootings, i have no sympathy

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one side demonizes them, the other weaponizes them. pity.

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>>12038311
>homogenous high trust society
>REE THEY ARE WEAK MURDER RATES IN CHICAGO BEING AT A 150 YEAR HIGH IS WHAT MAKES US NUMBER 1

Holy fuck Americans are actually delusional.

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>>12020296
You're not a bro, you're clearly a fat woman.

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>>12038451
>>12038529
Keep seething, incels.
Your nippon queens don’t want to fuck you, either.

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>>12038620
>Implying it's about sex
You missed the point about gfe.

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>>12038620
Not an incel. I just remember watching that news interview from survivors of Nikolas Cruz's shooting and they admitted to viciously bullying the kid for years just because he was weird and had zero self awareness that what they did caused him to shoot up the school. School shootings are awful but people like you are the monsters who cause them and then act like victims. I stopped having sympathy for people like that afterwards

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>>12038712
its always the monsters who feel they can get away with taking the victim role

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>>12038944
I don't think you understand people consistently treated as trash & not worried about their mental health become the "monsters" the media fear-mongers about. People born monsters, the real psychos, go about causing the deaths of millions in gov positions, and get applauded. The common person who broke down of course is obviously a "bad person", but they are as much a victim as much as well, they could've been perfectly normal humans under other circumstances, there is nothing more particularly evil in them than your average human.

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>>12039121
Read again, I am agreeing with you.

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>>12038944
>>12039121
Do you fags get similarly weepy and defensive about “systemic injustices” against things that aren’t sexless men?

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>>12039444
Yes. My opinions arent influenced by what media tells me is the good and bad guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>12039444
Read again.
I don't get weepy about systemic injuries.
Leave me out of your selfish larp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12039444
If the majority of people suddenly decided it was ok to go around killing incels would you start gunning them down?

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>>12039444
Me (>>12038944)? Yes. I was treating it from a leftist perspective, societal ills are created by our current society. I have similar sympathy for small thieves, gangs, riots, and violent revolutionaries. People are fucked from their situation and lash out. Real pyschos and monsters are the ones that hold power and don't get called out. If you think that white male incel violence is a problem of "individual morality" and "monsters" instead of society that throws away these individuals & leaves them to latch on violence ideologies, then you're just wrong.

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>>12039650
Fuck wait I tagged wrong me I meant I'm >>12039121 not >>12038944 sorry sorry sorry

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>>12038388
ogey

[Anonymous No.]

How do I even tell someone's doing GFE when I tune in to their streams?

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>>12040304
if you want to date them after watching a stream theyre doing gfe

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>>12040304
If they flirt with you and treat chat in a similar fashion as they would a romantic partner. You can't tell from just one stream, you'd have to watch multiple to actually know.

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>>12038712
I remember all the kids that bullied him were weird too. It was funny. The blind bullying the blind.

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>>12039444
This is why no one has sympathy for you, you don't genuinely have sympathy for anyone else. The injustices you pretend to care about are just trendy causes to make you look better to your busybody friends.

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>>11991717
anyone wanna suggest who is the vtuber with the best GFE?

need a gold standard to compare them with

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>>12040381
>treat chat in a similar fashion as they would a romantic partner
how the fuck would I even know what that entails as a KHHV?

[Anonymous No.]

is it really a date if you blood stare at a pretty girl and she doesn't even FUCKING SEE YOU?

[Anonymous No.]

What are some good GFE indies or smaller corpos? I like the idea of it but can never get into it with the big ones, that many people in chat just make every message I send feel like pissing into the wind and I don't have the money to constantly throw superchats at them

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>>12040606
As a KHHV I was able to scientifically deduce this by comparing normal streamers & non GFE vtubers to Rushia & Lamy. I also watched romance anime & read romance manga for reference.

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>>12040602
The best English example is Yura from Prism project.
>>12040844
Lumi from Cyberlive is very close to her chat. Nene and Reina from Kawaii Pro, Yuuna and Miori from Tsunderia also give GFE lite(not 100% all the time).

[Anonymous No.]

>>12040844
As stated by others, yura from prism though i haven't watched that much of her stuff. Lumi too I guess but I got filtered hard by her sex related jokes, which makes me drop them instantly.

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>>12040468
>implying
I don’t give a fuck about queers or darkies or whatever you’re projecting onto me.
The fact that you suddenly give a fuck about societal justice when it’s your skin in the game just proves you’re a massive hypocrite who deserves to die alone and unloved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12040667
She sees me with her mind's eye.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12040844
Yuri is your possessive full on GFE. Lumi is like dating your best friend because she shares your interests and banters with you. Miori is the lewd, openly flirtatious one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12044299
Oops, Yura

[Anonymous No.]

>>11991717
Femininity is forbidden in the west, only men are allowed to be feminine. To act feminine, therefore, is to act directly against a woman's own instincts to conform to the book of society. It takes a real menhera to even want to break the rules of the herd. To become a master at acting feminine, it requires her to be a menhera for life.

[Anonymous No.]

English Vtubers can never reach Lamy's level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUD9Q97IH2I

[Anonymous No.]

>>12040424
>The blind bullying the blind
Perfect description for this thread/whole site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>12047270
sniff your own farts in reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>12033511
Western relationships are, and largely have always been primarily transactional. I'm not taking the incel standpoint of men literally paying a transaction, more that a relationship, kids, expectation are normally the main goals.

[Anonymous No.]

All these people talking about lamy like they forgot about the real mehnara GFE queen, polka.

I still fall asleep to the co-sleeping stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>12048038
Lamy is not Menhera

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>>12048112
lol, lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>12047325
if I were a redditnigger, I would join in on dunking on the "chuds" and "incels" and not criticize that exact thing happening

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>>11991717
because only lonely retards even care about this kind of thing instead of just fapping to the chubbas.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Lumi a good girlfriend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>12049414
Lumi is love!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dkoo_md2OTQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>12049414
Nobody knows considering she's a pure virgin who has never spoken to a man in person

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>>12050188
I meant good girlfriend as a viewer

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>>11997896
It's pretty shit GFE if you have to keep demanding it, so those viewers are just going to gradually fuck off if the streamer needs constant reminders.
Western streamers are just being dense when it comes to wrapping their brains around the concept of entertaining guests like it's a teatime date. They're still in the mindset of pandering exclusively to adhd gamer kids.

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>>12051964
I didn't mean demanding as in constantly reminding them, more like demanding as in having some kind of standards that they hold the streamer to. For example, for GFE to work the chuuba can't go tweeting about their irl bf, yet the majority of western fans would throw a few more akas to pay for his condoms and then virtue signal about not being like the evil incels.

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>>11992294
That makes sense. Explains why black men don't watch vtubers

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>>12048112
I want to stick my dick in crazy

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Lamy is NOT menhera and she doesn't do girlfriend "experience" she is my actual girlfriend she has said so MANY TIMES on stream !!! Idiots

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>>12048038
>dyke
>still provides better GFE to men than western straight roasties
explain

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What the fuck is GFE?

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>>12059311
guess which

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>>12059140
This is as immature as saying liking cunny is the same as liking kids

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What's with this Western belief that """Japanese men have 0 confidence / are herbivores""" and all other kind of bullshit? The dating scene is just completely different mostly because of its culture and how, unironically, "vanilla prostitution" as I like to call it is allowed over there and even promoted, unlike how here in the West any kind of market between women/men is immediately seen as the 8th sin of humanity.
There's a reason why all attempts at even doing a simple Maid Café in the West have all majestically failed.

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>>12059933
Hooters is doing just fine.

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>>12059933
It’s more like most men over there don’t even have time for dating or having a family because of the work culture.

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>>12060121
so were the Playboy Clubs for a long while, but those lean into the sexual aspect of the question, not the tenderness one

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>>12059933
Yeah, a lot of people like >>12060154 bring up hooters/prostitution/etc. That's not the point, it's not the same as services where you can get a lap pillow or be served by a maid

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>>12060308
The west doesn’t have a word for “moé”

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>>12060432
I'd say it goes even further and say that they have an aversion to it. It's not just that they don't understand moe, but they have this weird idyllic view of it that they can't comprehend outside of a pure character, so it's always really fake.

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>>12004488
>guys can we retire bottom left?

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>>11992388
the triggered incels from this post, lmfao

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>>12059408
Good faith estimate?

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>>12057962
Wamy...

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>>11997444
Moneys on ollie or ame

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>>12033475
same

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>>11992388
wait wot? incel? proud boys?
do you think women like fat s0yb*ys with guts and thin arms who cant open a s*y bottle compared to proud boys?
where do you think you are?

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What are the signs to look for if a chuuba is GFE?

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>>11991717
Cancel culture will try to shame them out of it

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>>12071649
They say daisuki/I love you tobtheir chat, they flirt with their chat, encourage confessions of love, they like fans loving them on twitter (in terms of real schizo I am in true love with you, vtubers approving of like cool fanworks or casual enjoyment of streams/dedicated fans is different), they encourage loving them. As long as you have active consent they can be your own girlfriend experience. Otherwise you're just projecting your own delusions.

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is it though?

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Maybe

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>>12059933
>western belief
>when it's a term and stereotype nips created themselves
Will you weebs shut the fuck up forever?

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>>11993427
Yup, that's why tamaki can get married irl, announce it in

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>>11991717
complicated process

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>>12077308
>>12079096

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>>11998048
>omegalul
Stop.

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Maybe at this point it would be cheaper to get a real gf.

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>>12095489
I don't get why anyone would be interested in Fauna or Kronii, those girls seriously sound and look like high maintenance gfs.

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>>12096374
Kronii is the opposite of high maintenance, you just have to give her a dark room with her computer and some weed

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>>12095489
The whole point is that you want a girl that loves you in a way that isn't transactional
If you SC them because you think they're doing it for the money you're actually retarded in action instead of thought, whereas at least gachikoi SC them because they're "paying" some nebulous higher power for the continued existence of a girl that actually likes them.

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>>11991717
I have an announcement to make. I automatically discard the opinion of anyone who says "GFE." It sounds like one of those phrases only little teenagers who are on Tiktok all the time invent

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>>12096920
Okay reddit

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>>12096920
Okay. I'll just call them my girlfriend, then.

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It's because the west is more jaded against the tricks of women through various cultural factors yet still fall for hoes n' tricks when they are exotic enough. You forget that, you get used.

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>>12096591
Gachikoi here (for a big streamer), I'm not paying for her sustained existence like I would donate to a small streamer so they can keep producing content, my oshi doesn't actually need any more money to be honest she's rich, she has enough already - I'm paying because she deserves my money more than I do. She's the sole light of my existence and I would give everything, including my life, for her, so of course I woule give my money. It's a form of doing something for her and showing thanks. As long as my budget allows me to survive I will give my excess to my oshi. She deserves everything I have.

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>>12097769
Yeah, this. As somebody who has been in relationships before finding my soul mate in my oshi, I never felt like spending money on them if I felt like they expected me to for being in the relationship
But I LOVED spoiling them whether with money, effort, or time if I felt they were there because they were there

Sometimes it really isn't about the quality of something, but the reasons for it. Functionally it's the exact same, I give money to a girl while she does what a GF does. But the way she feels about it makes literally all the difference. I want to make the people who truly make me feel loved happy. I want my oshi to be happy.

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>>12096374
Fauna is sexy!

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>>12097769
Ah, yes. I, too, love findom.

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>>12096920
You have to be over 18 to post.