/#/ - Numbers thread

[Anonymous No.]

Previous
>>11809513

[Anonymous No.]

>>11826914
ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

[Anonymous No.]

>>11826901
They started recruiting for another ID wave right after they released the 6th one btw, lmao

[Anonymous No.]

the king vs the rabbit

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827026
How many defeats before one has to relinquish their crown?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827010
Really wondering what their strategy in ID is other than just flood the market with 30 viewer streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827109
what crown?
>fastest to 10M

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827160
That honestly just seems to be Nijisanji's strategy in general. If we assume that they give the chuubas their initial model and other assets needed for streaming, and then since they don't give salaries they have no further need to spend any money after the debut, but they get a cut of any future profit the chuubas makes, then their cost per chuuba must be ridiculously low and is a one time investment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827010
>Another male
>Cowboy bebop MC looking character on the middle

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827160
They want to dry up the talent pool before any other competitor gets to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827010
Whats their strategy here? They cant even maha5

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827417
Smart talents try going indie, then audition for Hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827489
Indie or small corpo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827417
Why in the world would any talented ID chuuba look at Niji ID and then at Holo ID, and then want to get into Niji ID instead of Holo ID? Their problem with this mass produced strategy is their brand name is near worthless as a result. They're getting Holo ID rejects, not drying up the "talent pool"

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827010
HoloID is currently open audition for ID3 too. This will be interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827544
>bu..but.. muh creative freedom!
>male

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827546
Those numbers put things in perspective a bit. Risu and Anya seem weirdly complacent but they are making more than doctors in Indonesia. Ollie is a titan in the ID scene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827544
they are losing to indies lol quite sad honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827546
>HoloID is currently open audition for ID3 too
kek, it's going to be reine friends Gen, audition is just for formality

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827731
and they have to give a cut to niji
just imagine

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827828
30% YouTube and then Nijisanji gets 50% after that right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827109
Who would they relinquish their crowns to? They have no competition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827546
NijiID is competing with MAHA5. Not HoloID

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827867
Pretty much the default for any vtuber corp

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827874
>Who would they relinquish their crowns to
ENTER

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827952
This is gonna be the most interesting wave to watch numbers wise.
Wave 3 flopped compared to 1/2 so it kinda feels like picking on a child at this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827026
Why would 30k people watch Pekora play MC? It blows my mind how much more popular she is compared to her peers. It baffles me more than Gura's success sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827952
I'm not really optimistic at this group's performance later when they debut

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827874
>>11827952
Are we really doing "the one eyed monkey is king" thing? Pretty embarrassing desu
Just flip king's throne upside down until he returns to shape I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828022
Imagine if she knows English...I don't think she would be at 1.75m right now but at least 4m

[Anonymous No.]

>Hololive > Nijisanji
>Maha5 > HoloID > NijiID
>HoloEN (kronii) > KR Indies > NijiKR
>HoloEn > vshojo > NijiEN
>A-SOUL > VirtuaReal

Niji cant catch a break forever last place lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827952
It'll be interesting for sure. If they can actually get male chuubas to be successiful in the west too and turn into Manjisanji for real, Cover will likely be in the same position they are with Holostars where they'll try to catch up but likely fail. That is, IF they are successful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828125
>Maha5 > HoloID
Wait Maha5 is that big?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828075
her english seems fine to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828022
She's a natural born comedian

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828125
>>11828162
HoloID>Maha5>NijiID

Anya gets better numbers than them

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828162
I'd say holoID is bigger nowadays. I guess they would have a bigger local audience? HoloID has them beat in CCV and subs though.
Their biggest talent is doing an anniversary stream right now to less than 400 viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828022
Why not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828162
No, Maha 5 is in the 300-500 ccv range. I don't know what that guy is smoking. Even Anya is an untouchable giant compared to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828162
Yes. They have quite the sponsorship deal and much more friendly towards local market

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828125
Niji should be embarrassed that as one of the first major players of vtubing, they managed to lose to newer companies in literally every single region. Just a history of bad decisions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828199
Understanding written English and being able to sort of write vs speaking and understanding a conversation at rapid pace are two very different levels of English proficiency.

[Anonymous No.]

Hololive algorithm dominance really stifling other companies. The only one that can maybe compete is Niji in Japan. (Does anyone know what gets recommended to a Japanese watcher)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828303
This is an impressive number consider they only pander on locals

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827321
Theyre all males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828162
HoloID usually has bigger numbers thanks to EOPs and a tiny bit of JOPs, but MahaID is more popular among IDs and has more connections in the entertainment scene over there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828382
They cannibalized the existing Kr vtuber scene and they deserve this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828355
>local ID sponsorship
good chance they pay you in bananas

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828402
Holo and niji daily, and indie occasionally

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828434
Well.. money is money and it worth their effort in the local currency anyways

[Anonymous No.]

disappointing

[Anonymous No.]

Please save them...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lokBv2LmIwQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828424
I'm guessing that HoloID trying to be more local friendly is them trying to crush Maha5 in this department and establish a monopoly. It's not a bad idea.

Use EOP audience to prime the algo and use the higher numbers to attract local sponsors to sponsor them instead of the company with lower views..

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828513
the collab is pretty high, the outfit reveal yes disappointing

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828382
They're winning in Japan and that's the only region that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828504
>worth their effort in the local currency
Nah, EOP money is better to farm than local sponsorships paid using local currency. Ollie is earning more than a doctor's salary in ID.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828574
>They're winning in Japan
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828521
I just found out that Maha even had a JP branch. Wow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828521
I forgot they existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828402
Apex streamers like CR, reid, hal, vspo

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828306
I'm not saying she isn't good. There is an argument to be made that she is the "best streamer", in the technical sense, in the roster.
But to have almost 6 times the CCV of any other Holos currently streaming playing fucking Minecraft, alone, not in a collab or having an event or gimmick.
I just don't see why.
It has probably gotten to the point that Nousagis ONLY watch Pekora like Holobronies only watch Holos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828564
The two is just arriving now, it’s high because Moona was singing

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828633
Pekora streams consistently, and she has put in the right amount of hours.
She has a dedicated audience that watches her consistently like a tv show. Her owning her time slot is why she has the numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828574
Cope more

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828521
create an ESP branch

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828615

No Holo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828521
damn that model looks good, dont know wtf is wrong with the tracking though especially the face

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828735
Another anon already mentioned it so I didnt bother and only listed the non holo/niji

[Anonymous No.]

Huh, what is Pikamee's regular numbers? I thought she dropped to 3 digits but she seems to be pulling in 1.3k viewers in her chatting stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828596
Anya earns more than a doctors salary. Ollie is making multiple times that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828944
Ah, she's been around 1-2k for many of her streams iirc? Playboard can probs show exact numbers for her streams that are on there.

[Anonymous No.]

I know that session watch time is affecting youtube videos but is that affecting youtube livestreams too?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11829047
Man, numberfagging with Holostats is way easier.
Anyway yeah, she seems to be around that range from the videos I clicked.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828633
>I just don't see why
She grew her **base** audience (the one they sticks with her even for SC reading) to around 16k.
Then she has some 10k nousagi over that that, depending on their availability, always catch her streams, putting her median on 22k.

Then she gets a Minecraft-only audience of around 5k, adding up to the current 27k or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828521
Collab with Phase Connect JP

[Anonymous No.]

>>11829285
Damn. It really is slow today huh

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828125
>Maha5 > HoloID
Heh your number reps, fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>11829285
peko vs sora was funny

[Anonymous No.]

Here’s something interesting.
Since JP girls generally make a public thumbnail before making it members only, you can add the video to a playlist.
On mobile this allows you to see how many people are watching live and vod views even if you’re not members to them.
A+ coding from YouTube pajeets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11829795
Handy, thanks.
Rumao.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11829795
Fucking. Pajeets.

[Anonymous No.]

Will Pekora reach 1.75M before the stream ends? It is her longest sub gap in 2021(more than a week).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828075
I dont know, im no data geek guy, But seeing that she cant seem to atleast make her subs double that of her second JP peer, the subs and gap would be quite similar but doubled in EN.
I say if she can have 4m then Korone can get 3.6m, and we wont see a gap like the way Gura does to Calli.

[Anonymous No.]

>S-Sultan…
Getting mogged by your highness Princess Hoshikawa

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830066
why did kuzuha but good at apex flop

[Anonymous No.]

* Current Top10, unfiltered *
Jim numbers are a little on the skinny side, aren’t them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830066
Look at him, look at him and laugh! Where is your mighty sultan now?
>>11829492
At least Pekora and Kuzuha are on the list today.

[Anonymous No.]

Lamy got a boost from pekora

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830038
She needs to attract people who don't watch stream.
Take Gura for example, she does not speak any language in Ankha meme, even "A" is just a sound.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830158
Jun you mean, and maybe it's because it's Fifa 22?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830184
It really shows how the two are just built different. No matter the day and circumtance, they still got good numba

[Anonymous No.]

>3 Suisei
Someone please nerf this girl. Also #4 on iTunes JP and #1 on Mora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830066
Shit, how do they keep getting permissions on games? It's Risk of Rain 2 while monetized. How are their managers doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830208
All 4 of them including pegor got extra boost because of their fistfight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830395
What sucks is that otoytoy sales aren’t included in charts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830482
Mora count I think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830430
Everyone loves to see idols beat the shit out of each other!
In Minecraft.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830117
Red Kuzuha's fans are leftovers from all the guys who are doing tons of shit now so they went back

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830502
Yeah, Mora is counted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830502
Macross Delta got a live? Nice.
I hope they did new songs. That was the best part of Delta, unlike the dreadful story and how they killed characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830593
They just released two new albums.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830621
Great. Time to find them on the web.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830411
It's an indie game, it's not hard to get permission for that.

[Anonymous No.]

Stacked slot. Even Sora beating 5k today.
High average, low median.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830395
You go AZKi!~

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830395
>Last Frontier #1
God what a banger! Azki is a genius

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830512
>Everyone loves to see idols beat the shit out of each other!
Not just Micra

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830915
Flare really among the high tiers with how stable her number these days

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830967
For the life of it I can’t begin to guess why no Holo at least acknowledged it yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831033
>these days
I don't need to check the numbers to say that this is wrong. metroid dread num reps

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831052
I mean, Aki and Roboco did for some clips of Holofightz.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831033
>>11831091
Yeah; she really debuffs herself with that game. Nintendo better be paying her to play it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831115
Really? Source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830208
>from pekora
all of them got boosts at the same time when going to the lavaboxing ring. That was just the youtube tab out - tab in thing

[Anonymous No.]

will we ever see holos get pokemon permissions, i can imagine peko getting really good numbers from something like fire red or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831200
https://twitter.com/akirosenthal/status/1384201886765486083

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831442
Like, proper blanket permissions?
Maybe if they offer to shill the pearl/diamond remakes at a discounted price in compensation...

[Anonymous No.]

C-Chihiro… :-(

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831442
pokemon is numbers poison unless it is a challenge or new game. They stopped playing Snap or that moba on their own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11825011
She already got original by the composer of her meme cover, slowpoke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yD0iNl2E-I

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831442
When companies realize being bias is a bad thing and partnering with Hololive can also be a good business. *cough* Konami *cough* Sony

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831566
>Is real
Goddamn. Well, I guess if it was gonna be anyone it would be the one who embraced a memetic form as a buff old man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831599
Is she still in the 200k range?
>She is
kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831442
I can't see pekor caring about the old pokemon games, maybe the new ones, she never took part in the NND shilling streams after all also they just need to do that again to get permissions for enough time to complete the new games, it's much cheapier than getting a full blanket permissions

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831593
Pekora do challenges though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831625
https://twitter.com/robocosan/status/1384305465283137538 There is this too from Roboco for the same clip. And some rando tallying likes and retweets but I'm not gonna look for those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831593
Hololive only had time limited permissions for those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831657
why not? peko does oldshit games from time to time too like draque and mega man

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831593
snap and unite are crap so it only makes sense, play the real pokemon games

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831785
Yes, pokemon go is the real one

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831644
Better than this original though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhmILTILfGc
And it's released on other streaming services

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831587
Sigh... now she is going to spam more apex

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831442
>>11831581
I would l, if I were in Cover’s management, genuinely have an explicit
>remember who your friends are
policy.
Any game whose permission is explicitly denied goes on a blacklist.
Any game that gets permission requested and fails to reply in useful time but grants permission to indies or other companies goes on a blacklist
Any company that denies permission for more than 2 games goes on a blacklist

Every company that grants permission goes in a “shill for free” list

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
I like the idea but too extreme. Blacklisting is too much, and especially "shill for free".

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831599
Not a bad song but generic sounding af. Didnt do chima's voice justice.
>>11831846
This sounds better

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
thank god you aren't in cover's management then

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
Go away retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
Retarded strat

[Anonymous No.]

lamy getting numbers just fishing in minecraft is always funny to me kek https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsU8lMdm2j8

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
Holy shit this is retarded, remind me of the "If VT run cover" thread way back.

[Anonymous No.]

Hal numbers without apex is kinda sad. Only 2.7k..

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
your company isn't that big, holobrony. Hololive as a whole may still be smaller than XQC

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
Waaaaay too extreme. Keeping track of what companies do and don't allow perms for games is wise though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832049
>12k
What the fuck. I've been watching since the beginning but I don't realized she got that much views.

[Anonymous No.]

Doesn't seem there's other big streams tonight. Should the winner be declared?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831052
its English, and lets just say the audience is not family friendly, or particularly respectful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832408
At this point, no one that's started is going to be able to climb past ,32k
I'd say yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832408
It’s past midnight JST. Pekora has it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831973
>>11832000
>>11832010
>>11832094
>>11832138
CONFIRMED FOR POKÉMON EMPLOYEES!

You all just went into my blacklist

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831921
I can agree with the second one but the other two are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>Please listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Rp7UPbhErE

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828521
Don't worry, Kson got their back.
Rin was the first person she called in the GMMF 1st episode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832876
I was waiting for an anon to create an Artia/bilibili thread before posting that there

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832876
Holy shit. What motivated this artist to do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830066
Tribalism aside, this was actually an incredibly strong day for Nijisanji considering there were no pre-scheduled events.
With Lize over 10k earlier too, there were over 70k simultaneously watching Niji streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832876
Am i missing it? What are we supposed to get from this?

I know there are subs, but it's so dull i tuned out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833394
It's a protest song against the Chinese government. Read the lyrics provided that are in english.
I'm not sure why exactly it was posted here except that it has some real big numbers in a pretty short period of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833494
Maybe they are just trying to help filter chinks out?

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1451569390986530820

shilling the horse pussy

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833394
Don't mind me
I just want to make chinks in this thread seething

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833494
ok but are they taiwanese or something like that, or actually chinese?

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Chinese, what are the chances of the Hololive x Guardians of the Galaxy collaboration getting screwed over by angry Chink autists still butthurt about Coco saying Taiwan

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833578
its not a big enough collab, their just gonna play the games and have a few merch giveaways i think. there will be a few ones that are from the anti-fubuki autists and that will be it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833531
Now this is actually rent free

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833494
Ok, that part was really obvious.

I thought there was some hidden message, or some reason you posted it in the vt/numbers thread, other than "big numbers" and "fuck china"

[Anonymous No.]

birthday countdown stream
>Ollie 3,517 / 5,490 USD 6280
>Reine 2,867 / 3,724 USD 2592
>anya 2,093 / 3,027 USD 1921
>moona 3,272 / 5,349 USD 1832
>risu 2,374 / 3,619 USD 547.06
>iofi ----
Call in/party
>Ollie 5,852 / 9,227 USD 2449
>Reine 6,053 / 7,881 USD 2464
>Anya 2,749/3,318 USD 1376
>Moona 17,224 / 29,360 USD 1449
>Risu 2,233 / 2,942 USD 495
>Iofi 4,059/4,961 USD 2632
New Outfit
>Ollie 35,725 / 52,687 USD 2,255
>Reine 18,772 / 26,042 USD 1,774
>Anya 21,511 / 30,111 USD 1,446
>Moona 6,629/12,325 USD 704
>Risu 9,170 / 14,994 USD 741
>Iofi 7,609 / 12,587 USD 1,606

Moona is no longer the ID queen
Ollie is the ID queen now

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833987
Ollie and Reine had been making way more bank than the rest of ID for a long time now.
US, AU and Canadian $ are worth a lot.
Moona used to be the highest CCV potential, especially for events though.

[Anonymous No.]

FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN

Here it goes
>32,216: Pekora (Hololive)
>25,875: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>19,887: Subaru (Hololive)
>19,794: Aqua (Hololive)
>19,108: Nijisanji (Nijisanji)
>15,330: Baelz (Hololive)
>14,792: Rushia (Hololive)
>13,730: Kanae (Nijisanji)
>13,494: Flare (Hololive)
>12,622: Lamy (Hololive)
>12,343: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>11,525: Moona (Hololive)
>10,859: Lize Helesta (Nijisanji)
>10,496: Hayato Kagami (Nijisanji)
>10,451: Fauna (Hololive)

[Anonymous No.]

Oh yeah, where's the top winners list and daily chart anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11834586
Baelz and Fauna carrying ENs for today

[Anonymous No.]

>>11834655
rrat incline

[Anonymous No.]

>some interesting data
https://www.userlocal.jp/press/20211019vs/

>Data analysis firm UserLocal revealed on Tuesday that there are now over 16,000 Virtual YouTubers being tracked by the service. The service outlines the number of VTubers over time as follows:

>March 19, 2018: 1,000
>April 27, 2018: 2,000
>May 28, 2018: 3,000
>July 10, 2018: 4,000
>September 12, 2018: 5,000
>December 19, 2018: 6,000
>February 21, 2019: 7,000
>May 6, 2019: 8,000
>September 5, 2019: 9,000
>January 15, 2020: 10,000
>May 24, 2020: 11,000
>August 17, 2020: 12,000
>November 10, 2020: 13,000
>October 19, 2021: 16,000

>UserLocal defines a VTuber as users that "release videos on YouTube using a CG character." The service counts channels that have applied to be represented on the Virtual YouTuber ranking, as well as channels that principally make use of Virtual YouTuber avatars.

According to UserLocal, hololive English's Gawr Gura is the most popular VTuber, with 3.49 million subscribers as of Tuesday. She is followed by:

>Kizuna Ai (2.98 million subscribers)
>Usada Pekora (1.74 million)
>Mori Calliope (1.74 million)
>Inugami Korone (1.7 million)
>Houshou Marine (1.66 million)
>Shirakami Fubuki (1.64 million)
>Watson Amelia (1.48 million)
>Uruha Rushia (1.44 million)
>Minato Aqua (1.41 million)

[Anonymous No.]

>NOT TODAY, SHINIGAMI

[Anonymous No.]

It is out of this world how intelligent Haachama is at figuring out what is the new meta and exploiting it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKbSIIJELig

Close to 200k already and it's fucking nothing but a pic that Haachama most likely than not shook "manually" with some editor and her voicing "OM NOM NOM" over it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832117
Can some anons stop putting Hal at the same level or above the top tier Niji guys? He only gets around that level if he's on APEX.
>>11834689
Collab with Mumei in which Mumei didn't stream. Ollie also came in for the APEX part. Probably would've done better numbers if they followed what won the poll that Bae set up.
>>11833987
I don't care for Ollie but she's been the true queen for awhile now. Feels like the most western streamer in Hololive if that makes sense.
>>11832049
Her audience just enjoys her chatting with them only I suppose. I know Toko does chatting/fishing streams sometimes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835050
>He only gets around that level if he's on APEX.
Numbers are numbers. He's clearly the King of Indies and Emperor of all VTubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>11833987
ID2 is performing much better than ID1. This is what a good recruitment/scouting should do. Maybe ID3 can get the ID branch to reach a higher ceiling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835044
She has graph anon's blessing

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832049
>lamy getting numbers just fishing in minecraft
>>11835050
>Her audience just enjoys her chatting with them
In this case, tho, Sora, Lamy and Pekora ducked it out in a to the death battle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFWkoKZKd5Q

[Anonymous No.]

>>11830962
Sadly the version on her channel doesn't sound as good as the version in the live. That performance, I fucking loved it. One of the best parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835083
>ID3
>all 3 of them has ollie type personality

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835153
Ah, just like how EN2 was supposed to have 5 Gura?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828408
They've been ID longer than Holo and Niji right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835117
That how you know they are genuinely amazing singer, when their live performance is superior than the recorded version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835204
Yup. Their main girl (Adelia) was previously the first IDvtuber from the same generation as FBK. They even collab in the past on some event

[Anonymous No.]

>>11828633
>It has probably gotten to the point that Nousagis ONLY watch Pekora like Holobronies only watch Holos.
This is normal and not limited to just Pekora or Holos. A majority of viewers just watch that streamer they like. Its very hard to make your viewers watch people you collab with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835112
Ah fuck. I should've watched the stream instead of other shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835044
Haachama's shorts are the best. Way better than Rushia's shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835044
She's young and her viewers eat this shit up since she started doing them last year. Any Haaton who wasn't into that shit probably left already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835083
tribalism aside, is good to see the ID branch getting their recognition. even if ID3 end up to be nepotism in disguise, ID will just grow bigger. the only problem is their branch management, whoever does the advertisement need to be replaced

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835044
#shorts somehow always got really high number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835774
That’s always the goal same way Sora Marsuri etc laid the ground work for later gens, which in turn set myth up for success. It seems to play into the imposter syndrome the girls feel when they have huge success while their predecessors don’t have their numbers. I wonder if Cover doesn’t increase salaries or divert a percentage of their cut to the early gens. A small but meaningful redistribution would keep old talents happy while being a minimal sacrifice for new talents. It might even alleviate their guilt for leaving their seniors in the dust numbers wise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835112
That was only for about 10 minutes or so, she retained 11k for a couple hours after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835934
No salary increase but older talents get first dibs on more costumes/model updates and they’re offered sponsorships regardless of viewership.
Mel recently got to sing for the Don quijote cover and a few of them got the baseball sponsorship iirc

[Anonymous No.]

>>11832049
And when it's a freetalk stream they only got 4-6k. Minecraft buff is fucking scary

[Anonymous No.]

Haachama opened a Twitter Space
https://twitter.com/i/spaces/1RDxlgVOXpEJL

People are saying it is packed but I can't watch it on desktop. How many people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836503
nah, korone had like 8k earlier

[Anonymous No.]

>>11835112
pic

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836742
That second incline at 16h is the outflow from Pelora, no? She surely did retain them tho

[Anonymous No.]

one ensta fan's qrt on tokomachi recent song gaining traction
Deepl:
Aside from the songwriters, I don't think it's a good idea to use official illustrations on the cover.
Anything that could be misconstrued as official is forbidden by Ansta's guidelines.
I think it's quite a problem because it's a holo and if it's not, people will think it's an official collaboration.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11834948
9 days to get 10k, 1 day above her recent average

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836882
? Official art ?
Is the cover not using an illustration from a commissioned party or am I misunderstanding what's being conveyed here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836962
Not official art but the art looks similar to Ensta and the jacket also looks similar to Ensta. It's clearly a homage because both of them are Ensta addicts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836882
>>11836962
Stolen from /suisei/
>Being way too similar to Ensta art
>Using jackets that are reminiscent of actual Ensta units
>Having a lot of people who originally worked on Ensta songs work on the song

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836962
i think they mean the art looks official even though it's not which could be confusing
not surprising an enstars fan would nitpick something like this because they're quite schizophrenic

[Anonymous No.]

>>11836882
doesnt seem like it is a cover
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9699zGTOBk

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837036
>looks official even though it's not
>>11836987
>art looks similar to Ensta and the jacket also looks similar to Ensta
Yeah, I don't think they would complain and, if they do, I doubt they would have a case.

[Anonymous No.]

These two get close enough numbers and stream in close enough times. They should collab

I don't know why but I have a feeling that Luna would fit well with the Nijisanji girls, maybe get along on stream and outside as well. I think...

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837523
Are they doing another collab? is it at least actually 4pov needed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837216
im glad luna could fund success outside niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837561
It's ARK.

[Anonymous No.]

This is canadian indie vtuber Haruka Karibu
She has been on a steady incline for some time
She is currently holding over 4k viewers streaming minecraft on the vshojo server

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837676
>indie
shes basically already in vshojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837637
oh
>>11837676
they allowing indies ontheir sever now?

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Luna: she's on a steady incline in October and on pace to have her third best month (with regards to mean avg. CCV), losing only to April 2021 (when she found immense success playing Monster Hunter) and about tied with Aug 2020, when she hosted all those Clubhouse 51 collabs (including the infamous grudgy one with Haachama).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837747
they've invited a bunch of friends to join them, there must be over 20 people on the server now including some non-vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837676
>Top 0.01% of Twitch
kek, all of your guys brains are eaten by the size of the numbers you see in this place every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837818
she not overlaping the others girls during jp primetime does wonders

[Anonymous No.]

https://v-clan.spwn.jp/events/21103020-oshisugitev
why did cover send their bottom feeders to this

[Anonymous No.]

>>11837848
They count even the viewer-only accounts for that, 2viewchama

[Anonymous No.]

>>11838029
you get what your budget can afford

[Anonymous No.]

>>11838029
>>11838154
More likely they asked
>who of you girls have time and interest in joining this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11838238
Bottom right is 200-400 cv tier iirc.
It’s only a 45m concert with 10 songs all consisting of popular anime songs anyways.
$26 ticket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11838238
Kek, for free? What planet do you live in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11838029
I imagine Marine would be there if she wasn't on break. She's basically the queen of 'cute and sensitive'.

[Anonymous No.]

she actually said it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11838089
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R6SpqrYh_r8

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839345
>12 hours
>408 views
That makes one sadder than Pomu’s rant, the fact nobody cares at all.
I bet 20% of those views are from anons in this board and thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839345
>worried about wave 4 coming so soon
makes sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839013
And that is why you are our queen, Pegora

[Anonymous No.]

>NijiEN3 right now, one hour and a half in
I remember when people made fun of Anya for low 1k, high 3 digits.

Also: ARK… graveyard of numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839747
i knew they were devilspawn

[Anonymous No.]

>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal
20) Subaru (Hololive) - 26.4k - Minecraft
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 63.2k - Survival Island End Stream

>FUTURE EVENTS/SPECULATIONS
22) Moona - Outfit Reveal>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal
20) Subaru (Hololive) - 26.4k - Minecraft
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 63.2k - Survival Island End Stream
22) Pekora (Hololive) - 32.2k - Minecraft

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839747
On one hand, massive overlap in a 4-man split POV collab.
On the other, Lazulight and Obsydia never got collab numbers like this.
I can't believe we used to make fun of Petra for getting <1000 streams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839747
Here from the top of the hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal
20) Subaru (Hololive) - 26.4k - Minecraft
21) Nijisanji (Nijisanji) - 63.2k - Survival Island End Stream
22) Pekora (Hololive) - 32.2k - Minecraft

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839345
We've tried to tell you. Wave 3 didn't bring anything new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839991
>>11839842
>>11839791
>>11839747
>>11837523
>Riku: Yagoo-sama, I give you money. Please save our NijiEN branch by having them collab with your EN girls.
>Yagoo: ID girls, take it or leave it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839870
Pekora owns 7 days, maybe she can challenge Gura's record - 11 days .

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840087
If they collab in the HoloID's ch and not do a multi POV like that UNO collab. Fuck Nina. She can't go near any Hololive. That girl is dumber than Veibae

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840087
>Achan: by IDgirls he means Anya

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839345
>>11839991
One has to wonder how Wave 3 is handling this seeming lack of growth for their branch. Pomu and Rosemi have already alluded their worries about number so I'm sure some if not all of the members of the new wave are having those thoughts creep in from time to time. Also, there's no way they can completely ignore Council. Seeing a former 2view like Bae draw more than all of them combined has got to sting somewhat. I can only imagine what happens if ID3 mogs them too which won't neccasarily be hard to accomplish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840099
She will do pokemon card opening tomorrow or on 24th

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840265
People mock Council but they have been bringing in new content and fresh dynamics. Mori for one is so hyped up about a new podcast that she's going to do with Irys and Bae.

[Anonymous No.]

She could get 60k with this line up

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840440
Is that Marine and Pekora? What would the equivalent for Niji be? Kuzeha, Mito, and Leos showing up to a Pomu stream?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840357
I'm actually surprised at how well Gura and Mori have embraced the Senpai role. That DBD Collab between Kronii and Gura was one of the funniest streams I've listened to in awhile. Also, just an observation but based on the few inter-wave collabs that I've watched from NijiEN, I really don't feel a sense of the Senpai-Kouhai dynamic from them? Is that normal in Nijisanji as a whole or is it more to do with the fact that they debuted so close together so they feel more like one big Gen that was debuted in installments?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840440
kek, right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11831625
Haachama also watched a promo from holofightz once
https://youtu.be/IjbOzggZYE4?t=2760

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840593
I don't NijiEN so I can't tell you. The Senpai-Kouhai dynamic isn't really that noticeable anyways. It's usually utilized like a joke or a shield from a joke. The Irys and Kronii/Bae gag that happened is an example where the power is reversed between Senpai and the Kouhai. It's funny and Council can do it to her because of 1 month gap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840357
>Mori
>podcast
doesn't do well together, she's monotone

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840723
For EN, senpai-kouhai is more like a role play. I don't think overseas(at least in western) has this culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840758
She was monotone but she did really well during her Jumpking Endurance stream where she had Irys and Bae talking for 4hrs straight. She was able to stir the conversations herself between the 3. I don't say this as a deadbeat because I avoid Mori's streams but since Irys was there, I tried listening in, it was really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840685
I missed this, and it is gold. I'm surprised she was allowed to play it, and I now want to see Holo's react to their HolofightZ promos... with music they can use of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840357
HoloEN really needed to fill out numbers a bit for content anyway. Only having the 5 from Myth wasn't healthy for collabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840234
The Petra Anya thread will be on fire.... all 10 of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840265
Even before wave 3, you can already smell the stench of desperation from them branching out to new things. ASMR, piano, unarchive karaoke, Collab spams, ark, Minecraft spams etc (I'm on mobile so I can't list everything). The latest desperado was Pomu's shower stream. Then you get these so called FR, ES, RU streams out of nowhere when the branch is called EN for a reason. Streaming during primetime JP for wave 3. JoJo watchalongs isn't doing anything for Nina either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840867
Yeah. It's the roleplay that draws humor. Kronii and Mumei goes all in with roleplay that sometimes I can hear Bae always almost about to intervene when convos gets too spicy between the two. Gura and Ame loves to spectate. Now Fauna is doing the classic messages on a book on MC.

[Anonymous No.]

I love finding little channels like this. Dude has 3 digits subs and all his other videos are 3 digits views like you would expect... But two cute Ina animations and gotten picked up and have 30K+ views in the last couple months. Sure it's only like $200 bucks he made but things like this make breaking the stranglehold Hololive has on the algorithm is an almost impossible task. Best part: he's Korean. Koreans really love making Hololive animations apparently

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdKk3RNg7ts

[Anonymous No.]

>>11827590
Anybody who can't work around Hololive's restrictions and still produce entertaining content was never creative to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841326
It's a truism that restrictions sometimes spur creativity. If you have no limits, unlimited resources it can be paralyzing it's own way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840888
>I'm surprised she was allowed to play it
>Haachama
>allowed
Hahahahahahaha, do you even know Haachama? She’s not “allowed” to do anything, she just do whatever and braces for whatever consequence (that never comes)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841123
Koreans are very good (and cheap) animators too. Lots of Japanese and even some American productions outsource to Korean animators

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841397
Or you can just go full retard when there is nothing stopping your worst ideas, like George Lucas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11840952
Can't really blame them for trying everything possible to grow the branch.
Selen managed to be the standout talent but her new fans are only watching her.
>>11841326
Limitations creates innovation, Hololivers having to think outside the box to work with the restrictions put in place has made some of the best content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841397
Necessity is the mother of invention. Not to say that restrictions are good but if nothing else it allows the truly creative to tackle problems in new and very unique ways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841645
The problem with the waves coming so quickly is the streamers aren't really having time to settle in and find their groove, and in turn their audience. People forget Ina settled into her timeslot and grew her audience over a year until she was #2 in ccv. I feel like it was at least 6 months before the Myth girls really established their identities, arguably even longer than that. But when new gens are being pumped out so fast there's no time to explore and experiment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
Pomu is pretty much implying the same thing, kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839530
That video got about 1k views since you wrote that

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
what does niji management need to understand this? they have been pretty useless so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
One also has to consider stress and burnout as possible issues in the future if not already. Everyone from Myth except maybe Ina at one point or another ended up in a rather bad rut. NijiEN is streaming almost daily which I think is because they don't want to lose the audience they already have, especially with waves coming in every 3-4 months. Sooner or later, the stress from that is gonna add up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
I mean, that's what was said when Wave 2 got announced but Nijifags kept claiming they would just keep expanding the audience.
And yeah, it was around 6 months before the Myth girls got adjusted to streaming and found their niche.
It feels like Nijisanji is trying to just hire experienced streamers so they can skip the "learning how to stream" phase that Hololivers go through and hope their fans as indies latch onto their new NijiEN identity.. Thing is that this phase is in my opinion, crucial to creating hardcore fans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842070
From the company's perspective, as long as each girl is profitable (and it's hard not to be) just throwing out more girls makes sense. On the flip side Hololive seems to do a much better job of developing talent so perhaps they have a long-term advantage. Suisei is a great example, that girl went from using something out of a Flash animation to having multiple henshin on stage during her 3d Sololive. I think in like 2.5 years she went from 6000 subs to the monster she is now. Have any Nijis had a trajectory like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
A good example is Irys. She was kind of timid at first when it comes to singing and streaming, Her sched was all over too because she was experimenting a lot. 3 months after, many have her as part of top 1-5 for EN streamers. She has covered over 100 songs in her Karaokes. Many chuubas can't really do what she does on a monthly basis, let alone in a weekly basis like she does. You have to give the chuuba the time to settle in and get comfortable and potentially see the growth. That's how you get long time gachis. The "idol journey" I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
Also after a year of growth Myth girls became experienced enough to be good senpais to the newcomers and make their integration into Hololive much more painless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
They have to stream 3 times a week in order to get paid (yes, NijiEN gets a salary, it's not like the JP branch). More than that is personal choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842210
Older ones, I don't think Niji has been able to do that at all ever since they became the 2nd tiers to Holo or other companies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11839870
Hololive won 16 times. They clinched the month with 8 days to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842266
Meant to quote: >>11842098

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842138
It goes back to the whole "idol" thing. Someone from Suisei's general posted a question to the rest of the Hoshiyomis asking them if Suisei would still be their Oshi if she kept her level of singing but didn't have to go through all of the shit that she did to make it this far. Almost all of the Hosiyomi's said that they'd still be fans but Suisei probably wouldn't be their Oshi. I feel like that's the same enjoyment that hardcore sportsfans experience after sitting through shiitty seasons and bit by bit seeing your team improve until they're finally good enough to win the big one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842231
Irys is a great example. Between her weird ass face and Vsinger label I'll be honest I sort of wrote her off. But once she started getting comfortable, let out her inner horny hag/dork out a little, and had some great collabs, she's one of my favorites now. I didn't even realize it was happening. Can you image her collabing with maximum autism month 2-3 Mori or Ame? Good lord.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842266
Wait, did anyone from NijiEN say this? You got a source on that Senpai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842383
"I rooted for the Chiefs when the sucked for decades man. Fucking bandwagon Mahomes fans.... "

It's totally true. The scuff, the menhera moments, they actually cement the core fanbase even more, to the point they start to feel superior to the newfags. "Oh Ghost is your favorite Suisei track? Uh huh". Protobeats take this to a level most fanbases can barely imagine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842385
The highlight for me would be when Irys sang Aikotoba iii. When she said baka while trying to not cry made my chest hurt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842445
Selen did and it's outlined in their contract that they have to commit to streaming 3 times a week, so it's exactly like hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841645
>Selen managed to be the standout talent but her new fans are only watching her.
This isn't actually a bad thing. It's because her fans watch only her that she's been mostly insulated from the overlap cannibalization. UNITY is great and all, but ultimately the talents should be trying to grow a fanbase that watches them for them rather than for their company.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842918
I mean the only reason why that's the case is selen leeched off the niji apex fanbase instead of the holo en fanbase. They haven't been able to really grow anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842284
I honestly thought Edengumi was gonna become Nijisanji's version of HoloFantasy (Hololive's golden generation) especially seeing the numbers they were pulling during debut week. Unfortunately, they kinda fell off though the guys are still getting good SC. In retrospect, HoloFantasy is probably the best Gen/Wave to debut in Vtuber history. 3/5 are Juggernauts in either CCV or SC while the other 2 aren't slouches either and would be in contention for the title of top talent for any Non-Holo and most Niji-Waves. Crazier still is they actually got close to replicating that with HoloMyth. In terms of ranking Gens it has to be:
>Gen 3
>Myth
(Power Gap)
>Gen 0 (Mainly because of MiComet)
>Gen 2
>Gamers
>Gen 4 (pre Coco graduation)
>Gen 1
(Power Gap)
>Gen 5 (they have the best chemistry in all of Hololive though)
>Council
(Power Gap)
>ID 2
>ID 1 (because iofi and risu drags down Moona)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842550
Got a timestamp, anon? Might serve as a good reference for future discussion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842469
no wonder miko has such a dedicated core fanbase, she went through some pretty deep lows before hitting these highs.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow Selen alone gets just as good numbers as all of NijiEN3 combined. And this is her second stream of FEAR.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843019
It's in the auditions requirements for both Niji and Holo, stream consistently 3 times a week for 1 year.
Both companies are pretty lenient with vacations though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842979
gen 0 has too many deadweights, gen 2 goes higher. Also the positioning of Council in last is just full retardation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842385
Mori and IRyS intentionally delayed the karaoke collab until they felt comfortable with each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843021
Mikoti's entire vtubing career is a literal idol-anime in real life.
>Recruited by a producer character
>Having to start from rockbottom
>thinking of quitting due to not gaining any traction
>suddenly explode in popularity
>But then has to take a very long break due to health
>Comes back and pops off with one of the most memorable return streams in Hololive history that would rival even the best idol anime finales.
The 35p are a fucking blessed fanbase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842979
Council are still in " larval stage" consider they are only 2 month old, even Myth+ID haven't reached their full grown (3D especially Mori for concert).

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843062
Huh? But that doesn't mean that they automatically get paid salary though. Even red-cross volunteers have some sort of requirements that they have to abide by.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11841927
>The problem with the waves coming so quickly is the streamers aren't really having time to settle in and find their groove
I agree with all of you said but there is one more thing: NijiEN (specially the last wave, except Selen) is COMPLETELY AIMLESS.
They bounced through everything already: Minecraft and Ark, flavor of the month, variety, “la creatividad”, collabs, foreign language pandering and not a single one of them managed to find a niche to call it their own
>with the exception of Selen, which found a home on APEX and grew an audience that is there for her and for nothing else, and managed to network herself into recognition by even the main branch

The rest of the girls are so lost the new wave is doing
>FUCKING WATCHALONGS
before they even secure their own audience. Fucking watchalongs, something you’re meant to do as a perk to your long time fans at the expense of numbers and casual fans.

Being the newest branch gives them the benefit of hindsight but, instead of avoiding everything that went wrong with every other of their predecessors they embarked into a fucking
>do everything wrong they ever did RTA 100% no glitches

[Anonymous No.]

>>11842979
I'd say council should be above gen 5 (only slightly though) because Kronii only just outpowers Botan in terms of ccv. But I do think council is still in its infancy and shouldn't be judged too concretely yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843051
The gen3 numbers might be a bit inflated. I watched Enna and Millie's streams simultaneously, and I think many others also do this. They do antics that encourage such viewing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843242

[Anonymous No.]

I think Myth should do more VR chat 3D model stream.
For performance perspective, full 3D > VR chat 3D > house 3D. Myth have more daily advantage than JP since JP have to reserve to do full 3D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843228
I mean I can see an argument for them to be Higher than Gen 5. They're definitely higher than Post Coco Gen 4. But I really can't rank them Higher than Peak Gen 1 which has both Fubuki and Schizochama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843606
Holo Gen 1 is very weak. Council is easily passed them. Everybody on Council is above Aki and Mel numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843695
FBK shifted the paradigm and Matsuri was really important for early growth. Haato-chan brought a lot of foreign interest too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843062
Hololive's members get paid by commission. If they don't generate revenue they don't get paid, that's why Kanata only got 20k yen in her first month, her channel didn't get monetized and all the money she received was from some merch

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843606
Peak Gen 1 was back in 2020 spring~ summer when FBK mass producing meme clips and Haachama being productive.
I put council in this order: peak gen1>council> gen5> current gen1

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843598
Man that show that they did with Miko (pre-Hologra) was pretty terrible.
I'll never forget that one story she talked about where she was transferred to Hololive right before a hand-shake event and at the event almost no one knew who she was. I think she said it was one of the worst feelings shes ever had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843922
Well, now she's the 4th largest female streamer in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843456
....Yyyees??
I don't see how the 2 topics are connected here.

We were talking about schedule, their pay is based on donations, sales and ad revenue. As we've seen with Ayame that has very little to do with stream hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843851
there was no merch, they receive a minimum base salary

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844068
I thought the conversation was whether they actually get Salary from Anycolor as was implied here >>11842266 Of course the girls get money from SC and Merch but that's not really what someone would call as a "salary"

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844035
miko is big, but dont fall for the ""watched hours"" meme, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843297
>3D especially Mori for concert
I don't understand the hype. She doesn't have enough fans in Japan to do a live concert and rap is boring to watch, all the choreographies that idols do don't fit her style

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843851
>commission. If they don't generate revenue they don't get paid, that's why Kanata only got 20k yen in her first month
It was not that. They have a base salary from the get go, Haachama even mentioned it when she said she got demonetized for about one year and still had the salary (Holotalk? Maybe, or mengen, I don’t recall)

The thing is: any merch you produce yourself you pay from your next paycheck and Kanata produced those rag shirts, that’s why her take home was low as she described; it was salary minus what she advanced to produce her merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843902
More like Fall 2019 - Summer 2020
Fall is when Scatman, the Azure Lane collab and many of Matsuri's infamous 1 million + view clips come from.
By August 2020, Fubuki had settles into her more assist heavy role in Hololive (was still making shorts) and Matsuri had accomplished everything, wanting to just play Apex.
Haachama already didn't feel like a Gen 1 by that point but completely in her own part of the world, barely interacted with Gen1, or Holo EN Gen 0.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843560
>might be a bit inflated. I watched Enna and Millie's streams simultaneously,
Don’t worry. The way YouTube counts viewers you may have counted as either one (1) view for one (1) of them or even zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844345
>Haachama already didn't feel like a Gen 1 by that point but completely in her own part of the world, barely interacted with Gen1, or Holo EN Gen 0.
Haachama interacted the most with gen 4 by then: Watame on Micra, Coco on collabs and Luna on clubhouse and the infamous takoyaki collab, plus Kanata on that bunny game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844296
stop being a boomer, most of hololive`s tickets are sold to be watched virtually, how many nips would come is kinda irrelevant. Also Mori sings more than just rap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11843922
yea, i think she said only 1 person went to her booth? That 35p chad....

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844345
>and Matsuri had accomplished everything
Except securing Hoshikawa love, and ended up on a permanent NTR role of watching HSWK-Haachama sweet love from the cuck armchair

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844230
at this point she's definitely in the top 5 holosfor viewership.

[Anonymous No.]

>Between now and JP primetime there is only one EN stream reservation
EN girls on a strike or something? Or they figured out having a waiting room hurts the numbers somehow?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844746
usual myth's who stream around this time are at an expo today. Fauna has members ASMR, Bae has members karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844296
You clearly don't understand Mori's appeal in Japan.

Do you know which Holo has the most songs being sung at karaoke in Japan? It ain't AZKi. It ain't Suisei. It ain't Sora. It's Mori. She might not be beloved but her music sure as hell is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844746
Myth: Gura, Ame, and Ina will attend Expo

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844878
Japan has a huge “americaboo” segment for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844923
apparently its right now, anyone got a stream link for it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844746
Fauna members stream, Gura&Ame&Ina are at FanExpo; Kiara members stream; Bae members stream; Mumei is the one streaming; Ina is streaming with anya/watame

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844189
I see I see.
My mistake for breaking the chain then, i understood it as the anon not knowing about the 3 day/week contract.

True, it's weird as we've had conflicting takes in the past, which could imply they have different contracts, or that we don't have the full picture.

Kaede explaining how they earn revenue but didn't mention a base salary, unless it's for a separate music contract.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2fGW5Lt9jw

Can't find the clip but Hana Macchia said that based on the amount donated, she gets a bonus, implying a base salary and performance bonus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844923
Thank God it’s about to end. WTF was Cover thinking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844746
Thank goodness for Mumei, even if it is that damn block game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844878
I would like to know the source, I only know her songs are sung by balanced gender.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844999
>WTF was Cover thinking?
Money and getting every weeb to know about hololive.

[Anonymous No.]

There is nothing between their nakedness and the Gwelu Line

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844999
You know they get paid to attend these events right?
On top of that they get more exposure to people who generally wouldn't know or watch vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11845117
>Money
Each girl is parting with at very least a grand in SC alone for each day away. They better be getting paid well

>and getting every weeb to know about hololive.
You’re severely overestimating the reach of these conventions. Not even komiket would achieve that

[Anonymous No.]

damn, couldn't find a stream link on youtube or twitch for the expo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11845151
I think it's the reverse? Only their core fans will attend the event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11845291
You never been to a con have you?
There's tons of people who like to just visit panels all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844878
maybe mori's songs are just easier to sing

[Anonymous No.]

>>11845192
>>11845361
If it's a physical con, that should work well.

On the other hand i've also been questioning how effective in promoting these online ones have been, which were most during the pandemic.

This because the pattern was the same:
Con going on on some twitch or YT stream to 1-4k viewers
Myth shows up, jumps to over 10k
Myth leaves, down to a bit over the original 1-4k
not very much audience retention, more like the Myth fans catching a stream on a different channel

In the online sphere, HoloEN is way more popular than any anime/weeb convention in the world, so they don't get that much new reach by appearing there.
Also, their style of streaming is what fans are here for, so t's very hard to get people interested in the rest of the event.

Same thing happened with Korone's appearance on Sonic's stream really, but at least there they keep tweeting about each other and collabing past that event.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844878
Source please?

I mean, I'd believe it since Mori's rap has tapped into a huge unexplored market, but would love to see some numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11845707
These events have had physical attendance since the vaccines became commonplace. For the current one, you just have to provide proof of vaccination to enter because of the crowd expectancy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11845784
It was Joysound data that I had looked back up in August, but in Octobre Suisei is now far ahead after her CD release, so I'll retract that point.

[Anonymous No.]

uh guys we are past bump limit when are baits gonna be peddled, I want to bite.

[Anonymous No.]

oh I got something for you to bite all right
captcha: OWOta

[Anonymous No.]

I was curious how well Last Frontier was doing on Spotify, and I noticed that they credited Suzy in English instead of Japanese, so it's not linked to her normal Spotify account and instead is only attached to 3:12 because Taku did the same thing. Meanwhile, Out of Frame is done properly. Gonna be interesting to see how the numbers of the two diverge as a result of this.

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, it's been incredibly quite here these last several hours.

Here's Twitch data just to post some numbers.
No, Froot didn't reach 10k yet for her birthday/3D reveal stream but they just started the Minecraft party.

[Anonymous No.]

Numberchads, is it actually true that Nijisanji is more popular than Hololive in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

do you think Hololive's explosive growth ruined numberfagging in every department?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847100
>>11847343
NO! Hololive is better!
Thank you I want to bite this one.
This is actually true to a certain degree. As google thread autist would tell you niji is more popular than holo by about 3 to 7% more and the gap is decreasing. But its bump limit so I should feel outraged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11844983
That doesn't imply a base salary, only a performance bonus. She could be referring a base cut, not a base salary. Unless you can provide source, then it's just a nothingburger. Nijisanji doesn't offer any base salary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847486
Gura ruined any minor milestone celebration for HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847486
Nah, I think it made it better. Now when VShojo starts mogging Hololive, the tears will be glorious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847636
I feel Hololive vs Vshojo is more like a proxy war between Youtube vs Twitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847486
Nah. Gura ruined subs, vods and song speed milestones, Coco ruined peak CCV, Rushia ruined SC, Pekora ruined average CCV and female watch hours. Everything else is up for grabs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847983
What is left to grab lol?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11848033
most dislikes

[Anonymous No.]

>>11847813
Twitch wants high numbers to promote their streamers. Fanbases are their primary income source. YouTube doesn’t give a shit about streamers really. Their primary audience are the corporations buying ads. They are incentivized to keep numbers low. Comparing them is sort of pointless

[Anonymous No.]

>>11848168
I know youtube fucks their own streamers but can you elaborate on
>They are incentivized to keep numbers low
it doesnt seem to make sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>11848168
>YouTube doesn’t give a shit about streamers really.

Except they are poaching streamers now on twitch and giving them a better deal no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11848238
Higher metrics = more expensive ads. A lot of contracts already are in paper. Can’t just change the terms. But you can get rid of “spam viewers”. Now your advertisers get the same ads cheaper.

>>11848240
Sure. YouTube is huge. I’m sure the streaming division would like to grow. But if the algorithm fucks them the head office doesn’t care. Ads make literally 100 times what streamers do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11848325
spamviewers affect mostly ccv, which doesnt matter for advertisers. They pay for views, which seems far less affected.

[Anonymous No.]

Currently no Hololivers streaming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11848663
Pretty normal numbers all round, but
>watchalong
For the love of the carrot stuck in Pekora's braided hair...

[Anonymous No.]

New thread doko?