/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

If numbers don't matter, why does it matter so much to the vtubers themselves?
Numbers prove success, and success proves talent. Simple as. Not having numbers means... well, you can draw your own conclusions.

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>>11793089
Ogey

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>>11793089
Just as with people on /vt/ the cuubas themselves vary in their caring of numbers.
There is a wide range between those like Gura - who don't care at all about numbers - and Pekora - who is actively trying to become the most watched streamer.
To say they are all of one mindset is stupid. And the importance of numbers is subjective.

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>>11793089
Numbers do matter. But that doesn't mean you have to make a song and dance about it.

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>>11793089
Numbers are everything to chubas and fad chasers.

As an entertainment seeker, I give zero fucks about numbers. I don't follow chubas with high numbers. I adopt lower view chubas as that catch my interest as my oshi of the month and then meme them into popularity. Queenmaking is the path of true patricians.

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>>11793089
If you want to become famous, big, and popular vtuber then of course you need numbers, just take a look at Kiara on how she wanted so much attention and yet she has less attention than gura even though she didnt do anything big

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>>11794732
>Queenmaking
???

[Anonymous No.]

Ina is an anti-numberfag though, use Kiara next time.

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>>11793089
Ina's number is from GFE tho

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>>11793089
proofs?

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>>11793089
This.
If numbers don't matter then why does chuubas make celebration streams about them and marathon milestones for them.

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>>11793089
It only matters to Ina and Kiara, the two least watched in all of holomyth.

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Has Ina ever alluded to caring about her numbers?

Also have they even been that bad recently, from what I've seen shes been on a decent incline recently.

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>>11807322
Isn't she the 2nd best EN regarding viewership?

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>>11807322
She has good ccv, which doesn't mean much unless it translates to vod views, which it doesn't. Her vods are among the least watched in myth

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Caring about numbers is different from letting it define your entire life the way some of the schizos here make it out to be. Like how money is important but turning yourself into an asshole who has burnt all bridges and social connections for the sake of pelf is a bad way to live. Turns out people can treat things with moderation and not see it as binaries where you either have to be one extreme (numbers are the only signifier of value!) to another (numbers mean nothing at all!)

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I didn't really think Vods would mean that much considering that ad revenue doesn't make up that much of her profits.

At the same time if you were a streamer you would care about your numbers (as it is your job) and you would want to know what content works.

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>and success proves talent
my oshi has a lot of talents but it's mostly not related to vtubing field, plus she is doing quite well utilizing her relevant talents.
i'm sure numbers don't matter to her that much (or the need to ego seach)

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>>11807845
Vod views matter a lot because it shows how many people are in their regular viewer pool. A percentage of that pool is where supas and memberships come from. I'm a member of Gura's channel but I hardly ever catch her live. You can look at the past week's total vod views and get a decent prediction for the current week's supas. Of course some chuubas have richer fans and get more supas per viewer, but vod views do matter a lot.
https://holo.poi.cat/youtube-channel
https://playboard.co/en
Name 7d supas 7d views total supas total views 7d views / supa$ total views / supa$
Gura - 8,321 - 2,924,024 - 836,182 - 191,515,313 + $351.40 + $229.04
Mori - 8,869 - 2,904,143 - 1,069,477 - 190,852,740 + $327.45 + $178.45
Ina - 2,089 - 734,127 - 432,261 - 70,450,212 + $351.43 + $162.98
Irys - 9,433 - 711,898 - 123,555 - 19,568,634 + $75.47 + $158.38

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>>11810994

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>>11810994

I get it now, thanks for explaining.

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>>11811096
Mori paypigs and Tentacult GFE

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>>11811096
Interesting. Gura and Ina have the most views per supa donation dollar. Then in the total views Mori needs more views per supa dollar, maybe because she has so many MV views. Irys has a lot of rich bois watching her huh? Does she attract a lot of coomers?

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>>11807478
Yep she is, and also the first Myth to mogg Gura once by streaming at the same time.

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>>11812564
didn't read the thread
views
Gura 7d: 2924024
Mori 7d: 2904143
Kiara 7d: 943273
Ina 7d: 734127
Ame 7d: 237704

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>>11810994
>>11811096
>>11812679
>Kiara has higher total views in the past 30 days than every other HoloEN except Mori and Gura
>Is supposedly the weak link of EN
Eh? How does that work.

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>>11813035
schizos from here don't represent the entire fanbase

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>>11813035
Kiara streams twice as much
Mori's views are from the songs

They are cardboard streamers

[Anonymous No.]

To be fair Ame was on break for the past week, only returning yesterday.

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>>11807322
Ina doesn't even care about her fans, of course she doesn't care about numbers.

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>>11813511
>Kiara streams twice as much
Well yeah, she's a streamer? That's what she's supposed to be doing.

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>>11813511

[Anonymous No.]

Gura and Mori also tend to donate collab views (more collabs are on other channels), especially to ame

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>>11793089
This is easily disproven when you have e-celebs like xqc and amou

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>>11807478
Lpwest total vod views of her gen by a large amount and lowest superchated member. Song was hyped up for months and could not even pass sparks.If you see it from covers perspective she is the least sucessful

[Anonymous No.]

numbers are important but nobody wants to hear it faggot, you have a literal numbers general to talk about numbers all fucking day

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>>11811626
>>11801186
>T4 is GFE
takos why didn't you tell me about this

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>>11793089
Numbers only matter because our global economy is conditioned to push for growth (and growing growth) as the only measure of success.
If you grew 1% last year you must grow 1.5% this year or else you're a failure.
Would vtubing be better or worse if incomes (not necessarily numbers, but revenue through donations/memberships) were flattened so that you'd have a hundreds earning $100k a year, vs. just a few earning millions?

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>>11812564
Still bringing up dead space 3 even though Gura already has more accrued more views on it pretty much after it ended and that 2 hr calculating barrier turned off? Not like it was a good game anyway so they didn't earn much from it. It was pretty clear there were stream issues and not streaming at her usual time hurt Gura. This also seems to be the case with Ina as well since her number for that Minecraft date with Lamy was lesser than what she usually does on her own. Compared that to Gura when she dated Shion in Minecraft and she got better numbers than usual when not streaming during her usual time. I think Shion also got better viewership than she usual did as well. Live viewers are important for the early views but they won't matter if the viewers who couldn't catch it live watch it later. This is the same for Kronii who has comparable sub growth to Gura but is missing the x-factor that would put her far ahead of Hakos who just streams more. Also, for the Ina incline, it sure didn't help her recently with the Talos Principle. The fickleness of audience, timing and what is being played still effect even the best streamers.

>>11812679
7 days don't mean much since there are times when they don't stream. 30 days is better and Kiara and Ina aren't that far off. Low live viewers can be made up with VOD views and good song views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11807541
This

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>>11793089
Ogey

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>>11793089
elaborate further