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ccv + sc
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html
>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/index.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

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>TOP WINNERS OF THE DAY - OCTOBER 2021

1) Korone (Hololive) - 71k - Birthday 3D
2) Ayame (Hololive) - 86k - 3D Concert
3) Hal (Indie) - 57k - CR lottery
4) Noel (Hololive) - 101k - Outfit Reveal
5) Fubuki (Hololive) - 72k - Birthday 3D
6) Pekora (Hololive) - 45k - Minecraft (ENxSubaru)
7) Subaru (Hololive) - 93k - 3rd Anniversary
8) Pekora (Hololive) - 26.2k - Mario Kart 8DX
9) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 53.4k - CR Cup Tournament
10) Luna (Hololive) - 57k - Birthday 3D
11) Pekora (Hololive) - 52k - TotsuClubhouse51
12) Subaru (Hololive) - 38k - Card Unboxing with Luna
13) Kanae (Nijisanji) - 54k - Outfit Reveal
14) Pekora (Hololive) - 36k - Minecraft
15) Naraka (Nijisanji) - 53k - 3D Debut
16) Kuzuha (Nijisanji) - 33k - Blazing Sails Niji Tournament
17) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.4k - Judge Eyes
18) Pekora (Hololive) - 39.5k - Summer craft championship
19) Suisei (Hololive) - 83.5k - Outfit Reveal

>FUTURE EVENTS/SPECULATIONS
20) Iofi - Outfit Reveal
21) Marine - Return Stream/ Risu - Outfit Reveal/ Suisei - Concert free part
22) Moona - Outfit Reveal

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Was curious to see so using last 30 days for subs/views and Sept for SC (not really ideal but fast and easy):
Subs: Gen3 158K, Myth 260K
Views: Gen3 44.9M Myth 43.6M
SC: Gen3 $261K Myth $227K

I mean, it's not really that big a difference. They are both very strong gens. The fact that JP grew even while Myth established itself probably has Cover overjoyed.

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The king is back.

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>>11671105
You should consider that marine is on break.

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She's the weekly #1 for now, but how long until this becomes monthly, and then yearly.

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>>11671226
>but how long until this becomes monthly
a couple of days until October finishes, considering Rushia is on a break
>and then yearly.
Yeah, I'm not seeing she beating Rushia for 2022 either

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>>11671105
Being beaten out by a JP only group when you have a whole global audience with billions of English speakers. How is this good again?

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>>11671051
>speculated top of 20/10
>Lofi

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>>11671288
Because that specific JP group has an insane roster consisting of some of the biggest vtubers in all of Japan aside from Flare.

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>>11671330
It's Iofi you goddamn pleb, also yea I doubt it. Without a relay I don't think Iofi or Risu's numbers will be particularly outstanding.
>>11671288
Consider that until Myth debuted, it was believed that vtubing would never take off in the West. All things considered, a rousing success. If your measure of success is that you must beat fucking Hololive Fantasy to be a success, let's just graduate everyone in Nijisanji who's not named Kuzuha, and only because he can match Pekora.
Take the 5 strongest Nijisanji members and I'm pretty sure they don't beat Hololive Fantasy with a healthy Marine in the lineup.

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>>11671360
Flare isn't exactly that weak either. Her SC is pretty strong and her CCV is not that bad. She only lacks the Sub which alot of ENfag thinks the most important metric.

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>>11671360
dont do flare like that, she gets usually gets 10-15k with minecraft and at least 5k for everything else. not to mention she has really good superchat numbers too

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>>11671288
>have a whole global audience with billions of English speakers
The heck when did Vtubers become mainstream?

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iofi and risu outfit's wont even reach 20k

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>>11671288
Same with anime, most of the revenue still comes from Japan. Having a bigger population in other market doesn't mean that you have a bigger audience or revenue.

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>>11671564
Probably the same type of person to think that India must have a large vtuber following because it has over a billion people.

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>>11671529
ENfags are pathetic, what else is new. I swear, these foreigners are fucking pathetic since they basically only steal what us Japanese invented.

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>>11671660
>these foreigners
YWNBJ

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>>11671660
>us Japanese
Ogey samurai

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>>11671105
>it's not really that big a difference
>4vs5
It's a big fucking difference.

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>>11671529
>>11671545
Yeah, her SC is strong, but she's not a consistent top 50 like the rest of her gen is.

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>>11671105
Don't forget that both Marine and Rushia are on breaks so this isn't exactly the greatest performance for Gen 3.

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>>11671836
If Rushia counts as being on break then so does Ame.

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>>11671150
Like I said quick and dirty. Gen 3 is ahead on most metrics aside from subs but the broad view is Myth is in the ballpark and more importantly, they didn’t seem to hurt JP growth even as they rocketed to the mooon.
>>11671441
Seriously somewhere there's a Cover drone who prepared the powerpoint on their expectations for EN growth and revenue who probably lost their shit as they started raking it in. I personally though HoloID/Niji EN numbers were a optimistic guess.

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>>11671802
What do you mean by not consistent top 50? On what metric?

>>11671868
She said it herself she will be taking a break for her cat.

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what was the peak for this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dno_EzwlI5w

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This thread operates on extremes way too much. It's either HoloMyth is on par with the most successful generation from any vtuber company in history, or they're a flop and a failure.

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>>11671802
>like the rest of her gen is.
you forgot that Noel is also part of gen3 didn't you?

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>>11672021
Curious how these discussions only happen when niji is losing hard.

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>>11672004
saw it at 4,5k but dunno if it was the peak

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>>11672054
And?

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>>11672021
I was scrolling through and noticed Kiara's on track to hit a million in SC before the end of the year. Reading this board you'd think she was costing Cover money or something.
>>11671802
Flare is #10 all time SC though? How is she not top 50?

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>>11672021
The first is propagated by stupid EOPs and tourists who don't actually LOOK at the numbers, and the second is mostly stupid fookin' samuari and shitposters.
>>11671904
Man I can imagine the sheer pants-shitting joy when they realized just how big of a success Myth was vs their expectations. The fact that JP didn't lose a huge amount of viewers as a result was likely an additional bonus as it meant ACTUAL growth, not just cannibalization of EOP viewership.
Inversely, I would've loved to see the look on Niji management's faces as they realized not only did they aim for the wrong market with IN, they royally fucked up in taking so long to even consider EN a viable market.

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>>11672077
I mean, on that note I'd say that NijiEN is definitely a success in its own right, or at least the first two gens. I dunno if springing for a 3rd gen so soon with their current audience share was the right idea but I guess time will tell.

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>>11672122
People here like to think Kiara JRPG streams CCV are her norm.
She has even received praise from Cover management for driving ticket sales for concerts with her watchalongs.

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I picked Niji to win the month at -700 at the start of the month but I'm not feeling too good. How should I hedge?

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* FINAL TALLY OF THE DAY IS IN *
>83,165: Suisei (Hololive)
>26,822: IRyS (Hololive)
>26,589: Kuzuha (Nijisanji)
>23,960: Gura (Hololive)
>21,031: Pekora (Hololive)
>20,928: Miko (Hololive)
>18,753: Shibuya Hal (Indie)
>16,458: Okayu (Hololive)
>15,578: Patra (774 Inc.)
>14,528: Nazuna Kaga (VSPO)
>14,440: Kizuku (Nijisanji)
>14,301: Shion (Hololive)
>14,178: Ange Katrina (Nijisanji)
>13,060: Kanata (Hololive)
>10,891: Botan (Hololive)
>10,737: Korone (Hololive)
>10,160: Ito Life (Indie)

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>>11672258
>How should I hedge?
Pick Pekora to win 4 out of the next 12 days

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>>11672299
>HoloEN toppling the KING and the numberbunny
What a weird day.

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>>11672091
If susan didn't ban/demonitize ASMR before Noel might have been a different kind of beast.

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>>11672299
Hololive is only 10 of 17. Decline?
>>11672330
>betting on holos
No, I'm not that desperate.

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>>11672202
Considering that wave 1 and 2 were from the same audition, I think NijiEN missed out by not introducing all six of them as one big wave, and then wave 3 and 4 as another big wave 4 months later. It certainly wouldn't make people feel the effect of rapid firing waves if they did that instead

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>>11672335
>Noel might have been a different kind of beast.
Yeah, and Choco would be Patra, except stronger

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>>11672258
Bet that Myth reveal their costumes for next week, since we know they were waiting on ID1 to reveal their costumes first.

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>>11672091
you really are shitposting because of Flare being place 51 in one month.... sad part is i really wasted my time dobellcheking your absolute retardation
can't you go set up special olympics somewhere else?

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>>11672351
And have Selen mog the entire branch? They only released her second because they wanted to give the others a chance.

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>>11672370
It seems like the logical thing to do, but I dunno if logic applies to Cover management when it comes to EN. These couple of weeks will be pretty big for EN regardless of whether there are new costumes or not though.

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>>11672402
I don't think anyone really saw Selen coming, honestly.

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>>11672349
Pfft, well if you insist on betting on Niji, try betting that Selen will beat anyone from HoloID for metrics over the month in a 1:1 comparison. Maybe you find some success that way.

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>>11672083
>>11672004
It was almost 5.1k most i saw it, too bad playboard doesn't have the data
https://playboard.co/en/video/Dno_EzwlI5w

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>>11672402
Wave 3 ended up boosting Selen instead of NijiEN as a whole funny enough.
I’d hate to see where they would be at if they didn’t get who they did for Selen.

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>>11672438
As much as we meme her Selen falls short of the Niji female average.

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If she can only do asmr regularly she might be the most popular vtuber for this type of content

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>>11672520
>she might be the most popular vtuber for this type of content
Patra would still give her a run for the money

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>>11672404
Save it for November so they can have a 5-0 start to the month. It'd be hard for the others to overcome that early run since Hololive would only have to claim 11 of the next 25 to win the month.

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>>11672563
I said

>If she can only do asmr regularly

Alot of holo's who are good at ASMR are not doing it regularly since they are afraid to get banned or demonetize.

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>>11672333
Not weird for Pekora, Apex is a debuff for her if she runs it solo.

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>>11673017
No apex isn't exactly debuff for pekora. This is just not her usual timeslot plus her stream is wonky at the start.

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>>11672258
I don't think Niji has won a month since 2020 February/March.

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>>11673244
ssshh don't say that

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EN is so lazy that Pekora is now taking their time slot

https://youtu.be/kvPkOuhXL64

This might break her current 20k+ streak if she don't do somethibg interesting.

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>>11673244
...That can't be right. I know Hololive got big starting early 2020, but there's no way that they've had more daily tops through then. Would Ikoi have the info to even see if that's right?

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>>11673370
Dafaq is Pekora doing a morning stream for? When the hell was the last time she eleven streamed that early?

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>>11672004

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>>11673370
Morning streams are weird for her,
that's usually Mio and Fubuki's time, sometimes Towa and Korone now that Coco's gone.
But Pekora does always try new things and time slots.

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>>11673370
>EN is so lazy that Pekora is now taking their time slot
There are 3 EN streams on at that time though

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>>11673503
Its been awhile since the last one

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>>11673370
If I'm not mistaken, there's a whole nijiEN Collab at the time

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>>11673818
Im talking about the schedule shitpost about EN. But honestly the possible reason is she doesn't have dancing lessons this day.

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>>11673244
Averages maybe but not in gold medals. No amounts of silvers and bronzes are worth one gold.

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>>11673172
I agree that the wonky stream probably contributed to the low peak. The time however is not that off, just one hour later with the stream you posted.
There are however some outspoken dislike for apex among Nousagi, hinting that she shouldn't stream it. Even in this stream she read out a "joking" comment having that tone. I wouldn't be surprised if some get filtered even if they watch every other stream she does.

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>>11673244
Isn’t that around the same time that one dodgeball thing happened in Nijisanji?
I recall some anon kept talking about it in a past thread.
Happy coincidences I guess.

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Once JP 6 debuts with a different set of skills to the table on top of being good at singing, streaming and being an idol, would it cannibalize other Holos or could it steal niji's viewers? I'm hoping they could at least get a retired hostess/anchorwoman with enough charisma, fluency in both JP and EN while also being funny and innovative to lead shows, quizzes, talk shows and events so that Holos wouldn't be behind so much as compared to Niji's with their shows. Nijis has males that are a natural in being charismatic and entertaining in shows. It's the only thing Holos are lacking, someone so good at talking, it'll bring the best out of anyone.

Marine is one such person, but she can't do things all on her own. She lacks experience.

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>>11672475
>be Nijisanji
>don't expand because you don't need to
>everything is going good
>hololive gains traction
>that's fine, they have a different market and it is expected someone else would lead the pack to race for silvers
>hololive gains more and more traction thanks to foriegners
>that's fine, the home market is the most important important and we have been expanding in similar markets, only time will tell
>the home market lead starts eroding and eroding
>decide to jump into EN without laying the groundwork with their own Korone, Fubuki, and Coco
>in a market where vtubers=hololive on youtube
>invest nicely in the foriegn branch and hire some good indies with a good following that get along
>10 new livers in 5 months and storm the market
>give them ads and songs from good composers
>even change your parent company from a Japanese name to an English name to show the new international flavor to them
It's kind of a JUST moment. They're fine and it wasn't a failure but I can't help but feel more was expected. Like some people were expecting Myth and Same-chan.

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>>11674342
Has any Gen really cannibalized anyones viewership in the past?
Cover has been pretty good at not having much overlapping talents with how large a roster they have.
I’d say they need another type of person who organizes large collabs, right now it’s mostly Towa and Roboco who organizes large scale collabs in JP iirc.
They need another person who does the same in EN than just Kiara.

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>>11672335
>>11672363
Noel and Choco have well known roommates with streamlabs so people donate there instead so that money doesn't go to Yagoo, Susan and Apple

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>>11674486
A large part of NijiEN are from the same friend circle from back during the indie days.
My main worry would be that as they get larger they just stick with each other and exclude the “outsiders” (cliques forming).

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Is there any precedent of a vtuber's views going into a death spiral and then recovering? I can only think of ones who were never all that popular view wise who went onto incline suddenly, but never someone who was popular at one point fall sharply in popularity, but then recover. I'm curious if Matsuri can recover, is what I suppose I'm trying to ask.

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>>11674721
I think they're smart enough not to do that. I don't thing the pie is big enough for them to handle that. My biggest worry is the lack of the pie getting bigger and one liver taking more and more slices. I think the engagement is up but males are really the only way forward. Will it work? I think it might make the pie bigger but how much bigger if the question.

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>>11674745
I was running the numbers to make a point that Matsuri is not reclining but, yeah... I can't

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>>11675290
Can you run members who constantly doing debuff streams like watchalong or superchat reading (maybe RPG too)?
Run both with and without those streams.

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>>11675436
Yeah, but wouldn’t that just return the expected result?
>debuff streams debuff
No much point in doing that

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>>11674342
>Marine lacks experience.
marine literally hosts a radio show alongside fubuki

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>>11674342
>I'm hoping they could at least get a retired hostess/anchorwoman with enough charisma
GO AWAY SAYAFAGS!

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>>11674342
Since Cover takes holoive applications at any time it makes me wonder when they tell talents they're in. Do they have a pool and just get the first 5 that say yes to the offer? Do they contact ones well after the interview even though some may have moved on and isn't interested? Do they tell them right away they're in and then there are 2-3 girls stewing in their own impatience waiting for debut?

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The boys already stacking up ammo for tomorrow.
Any special stream or a 20k high will take it?

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>>11676016
Iofi won't get great numbers but I bet she beats that. Or does she fall after the deadline? Gura, Kronii, and Pekora also have streams.

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>>11674507
It's hard to say because a lot of things ended up happening at the same time new generations debut that also ended up expanding the audience.
EN1 ate up quite a lot of audience from Aki, Towa, Luna and Korone over their first 3 months, aka those that had ~50% Kaigai viewers. Korone and Towa bounced back fast with the memes and Apex tourneys so they didn't see a noticeable drop, just a change in %.
EN2 did the same for HoloID, but again, other factors like most of ID taking 1-2 week long breaks just a couple of weeks after Council debut and segregating themselves to another MC server.

But overall, since Gen3 till now, a new Gen has always caused a big boost of excitement and growth for the Hololive audience, even in people who are interested in vtubers in general.

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>>11676016
21k isn't usually enough to take the cake.

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>>11676144
ID just have really shit times for anyone in NA who wants to watch them. 1am start time for east coast.
Can’t watch Reine live even if I want to.

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The 21st will be competitive

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>>11672370
>>11672404
No that'd be retarded, they'd be going up against he halloween festivities and you know for a fact that it's not Halloween themed.
Also kiara said it'd be in November

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>>11676144
HoloEN 3 needs someone who is almost wholly interested in western games, western fantasy, and not a spec of weebshit. This may sound retarded but there is a market for that. They just have to be convinced to watch an anime girl even though they don't like anything related to Japan.

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>>11676307
Concerts don't count. Never have. Return streams are iffy too.

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>>11676337
>This may sound retarded but there is a market for that. They just have to be convinced to watch an anime girl even though they don't like anything related to Japan.
You’re right. This sound retarded

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>>11676337
HoloEN absolutely needs a hardcore gamer, someone who can pump long hours playing many challenging games popular in the west, to boost their time zones, gamer and possibly competitive scene reach.

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>>11676455
That would require HoloEN to loosen restrictions without outsider collabs which doesn’t seem likely anytime soon.

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>>11676374
It's for the free section of the concert, first 3 songs and the introduction.
Watame got 2nd place a week back with 26k, while also splitting viewers with her actual live and Kiara doing a watch along (YT only counts your active tab).
Suisei could get even more.

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>>11676374
>Concerts don't count
kek, of course they do, as long as they’re not premieres

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>>11676455
The thing is the overlap between the market that's likely to watch Hololive and the market for people that play hardcore/competitive games (basically just shooters, some fighting games and subcription MMOs) in the west don't have much overlap. Why would they resort to watching anime girls when they can just watch actual established pros?

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>>11676337
>This may sound retarded
it does

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>>11676773
Appealing to lonely men that don't mind if someone isn't perfect in their interests. The main thing vtubers have is that they are almost always cute as fuck so that will bait more people. Also there are less anti anime zoomers than there are anti anime millennials. The tpe of person who'd be opposed to all anime is more flexible now.

>>11676408
>>11676916
It'd be a fucking coup if Hololive took that market and broke ground. Current holofans eyeballs matter but new markets are juicy. Although I do feel increasing engagement with current fans may be the ticket too. Their sub numbers are incredible, they just need to convert tourists and dead subs into active watchers.

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>>11676374
They all count anon. It is not a premiere. We are not counting the paid part of the concert of course because good luck getting decent numbers for that.

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>>11676374
There is only one rule. Big Numbers > Small Numbers. Doesn't matter if it's a concert, a tournament, a major collab or even a graduation stream. If it has the highest numbers it wins the day.

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>>11676773
I think it would work as long as they’re not Apex bots.
Get a new audience type or regain some who got bored of Hololive.

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>>11676455
>>11676773
Hololive EN just needs someone who has spirit about gaming to be honest, but don't expect something like that from women outside of Hololive Gamers and Luna

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Kiara has monopoly of US Afternoon and EU prime time but her CCV is still shit.

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>>11676773
Being a gamer is not a boost or an attractive personality. Fans watch the streamers for their reactions. Tourists watch for the game.

>>11677037
Look at the latest Niji JP wave. The audience will get bored again once the honeymoon has passed. Doesn't matter what the games are. Watching the same game five times a week gets stale really fast.
> They are not supposed to keep playing the same game
How can one be a competitive gamer without grinding?

>>11677343
Top streamers, both 2D and 3DPD, are keyfabe meisters, not competitive gamers.

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>>11678837
>once the honeymoon has passed
>honeymoon

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>>11679584
Time for more Russian streams

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>>11679584
Checked myself and shes at 550 on a timeslot with just Kiara and Ina playing MC...

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>>11679584
T-that's a movie watchalong, r-right?

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>>11679584
Can't even beat Crunchy tuber.

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Speaking of honeymoon period

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guess when ina started

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Crunchyroll Hime just hit 1k ccv.

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>>11680279
>>11680349
Do your best, crunchy hime!!!

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>Stream dropped
>100 watching
Hime...

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>>11680763
Dead streamer

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>>11680763
she's lagging so much, does she have a potato pc

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>>11681030
I think it's her connection, not the PC

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>>11680338
ouch

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>>11678795
no it isnt

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>>11681685
mogged big time by a sleepy artist

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I can't be the only one who thinks Kiara's voice just rubs me the wrong way, right? Nothing against her but there is just something about her voice.

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>>11681747
No, it's one of the main complaints about Kiara.

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Well, this is awkward…

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>>11681844
NijiEn...

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>>11681844
hime even got susan'd and her stream was very laggy

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>TIDE COMES IN
>TIDE GOES OUT
YOU CAN’T EXPLAIN THAT!

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>>11682038

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>>11681844
Crunchyroll > Nijisanji
How about revenue?

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>>11682225
>How about revenue?
It’s not even in the same universe.

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>>11682305
Maybe Sony could end Hololive dominance.

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>>11669174
AZKi's 4th solo live was pretty comparable to Watame's, looking at the crowd shots both of them took at the end in attendance. Of course, Watame probably had a much larger attendee pool who wanted to show up but couldn't because of limited seating or being overseas, but AZKi's 8th live was slotted to be in a fairly large venue before they had to cancel the in person portion because of Covid. While she almost certainly didn't make as much money as the sheep did from merch sales either, the diva drew a big enough overseas audience for that to add a section to her store about how to do shipping for them.

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>>11682473
If throwing money at the problem would solve it that 14 million investment on Nijisanji would have worked by now
>unless they were investing in a cope generating machine
If so then they succeeded

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>>11682611
Nijisanji has been spending that money on their tech.

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>>11682748
>Nijisanji has been spending that money on their tech.
It working, the level of cope that machine can generate is unparalleled in the market.
Must take a very state of the art cope machine to pull that off

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>>11681844
>twitchthot vs tiktokthot
the battle of the century

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>>11682582
sheep also got a lot more people watching just from the paid virtual stream

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>>11683259
We already know who Hime is?

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>>11682748
well yeah, if you can technically call youtube and twitter ads/engagement as "tech"

[Anonymous No.]

>>11683433
search news on her by animenewsnetwork (will probably find it easy by searching the archives for that long name)

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>>11683433
They credited her on her casting page, it's not exactly a secret

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>>11683525
>>11683644
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Top kek
>Ina audience dropped into Fauna stream, checked it, did a 360 and walked away

[Anonymous No.]

Just based off publicly available data this is how much Suisei has made before any cuts with JAPANESE SALES ONLY.
Individual song sales means when she sold the songs when they released (such as Ghost).
With how Cover's model works (where the talent foots the bill and the talent gets the lions share), it means Suisei gets a pretty nice payday.

[Anonymous No.]

Any predictions on Pekora's Morning Stream??
Can she even reach 20k in this timeslot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11682225
5 million users paying a subscription

[Anonymous No.]

>>11684055
Look upthread, the last morning stream she did failed to hit 20k 8 months ago, so I expect the same this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11683873
Man, and that's with stock issues for physical versions. Wonder what the cap would've been if they hadn't been conservative with the initial run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11684300
Actually, the previous one is Nintendo
watchalong, but it's special though.
"Nintendo"

[Anonymous No.]

>>11682748
It doesn't show. Their live2d software is still behind VTube Studio, and it seems like their rigging doesn't even have different expressions like hololive rigs do.

[Anonymous No.]

Btw, is DBD collab with ID/Robocco the lowest Gura's stream during JP prime time ? 15577/18599

[Anonymous No.]

Nina has some competition soon.
>>11684688
I recall someone explained that Nijisanji's software tracks facial expressions while Hololive ones are manually set by the streamer.
Not sure if this is still the case with 3.0 models.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11684823
I think so, every other time she's done a steam during JP time it's been Minecraft iirc.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn there goes Peko-chan's 30k median.
Her Morning stream today and the Apex last night will bring it down for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>11685509

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>>11671226
She'll win this month assuming Rushia misses the rest of it, but while her regular streams still do very well her numbers for big events are lagging behind Coco's, $16k for the new Live2D reveal and $7.7k for her last milestone (900k already!) just isn't good enough to be the yearly leader

[Anonymous No.]

>>11684835
>competition
she already lost she is against selene

[Anonymous No.]

>>11685509
Nah,Peko streams a lot . She has to stream 4-5 more to affect her median.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11672299
Miko has really found quite the nice niche for herself. Driving like an idiot in hardcore racing sims is a huge draw apparently. She gets big numbers for it every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11686248
She makes use of her 3d model by pretending to be the driver unlike the majority of people who have one along with making her usual noises when she wipes out.

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>>11674745
Korone for a small example. Her numbers were never in death spiral territory, but they were certainly down. The last 2 months have been very strong for her though and she seems to be getting back up to the high teir of Hololive just right under the god teir of Pekora, Miko, and Marine.

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>>11685955

[Anonymous No.]

>nijien numebrs right now
selene please...spare them some viewers...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11686728
>>11686731
sasuga apex dragon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11686731
>>11686728
HAHAHAHAHA
Unironically siphoning viewers away from every other NijiEN. Not a good thing in the long run for branch health.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11686731
Eh, people will always congregate to the most popular. No different than the HoloEN DBD collab the other week. Gura topped out at 30k while everybody else hit like 8-11k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11674745
>>11686659
Speaking of Miko... I recall her being bottom tier in CCV and subs not too long ago before her current model. Her incline since is crazy and she is now regularly on top.
There most certainly hope for Matuli. She just needs to stream less Apex and collab more within Hololive instead of playing Apex with literal whos.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11686879
The difference is that 8-11k are still respectable numbers compared to their usual numbers whereas this is just sad

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>>11686879
is such a difference from yesterday
they also overlapped but all 4 of them had 1k. this time tough not sure if its the game or Holoen is also streaming or both.

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>>11686935
Just skimming her stats, her first huge incline was after her nigga clip went viral.
Her second was when she did her return 3D concert (she was hospitalized for a while).

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>>11686935
Miko started off at the very bottom but was on a steady incline for a while. Even when she had her 2nd model she was solidly in the mid-teir. What shot her up to the top of Hololive was the return concert. It was a massive event, drew huge numbers, and the people who tuned in never left. She has been a top teir vtuber since that event. Finishes in the top 5 for all vtubers every month along with Pekora, Kuzuha, and HAL. Its kind if crazy how much that concert shot her into the stratosphere.

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>>11686728
slow and steady anon... don't look

[Anonymous No.]

>>11686728
And immediately stolen and used as bait (or maybe YOU used it as bait!)

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>>11687302
Hololive basically created a top teir vtuber overnight with that event. I don't know if something like that could be duplicated again. It was special. Then of course you have to credit Miko for being such a talented entertainer. Events like that are huge draws for tourist viewers but she made sure those tourists stayed and kept watching her. Now she is on top of the world.

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>>11687435
Nah, I just stick to this thread and a couple generals. Catalog is just cancer.
Anything here inevitably gets used at bait anyways.
I'm surprised how fast it was though.

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>>11687555
this is true, ultimately it is the talent themselves who has to keep the viewers, the company can't do that for them. Aki for example had that pity boost, but was unable to keep the eop tourists.

Miko though really grew into her own (though im not a huge fan of the current 'baby arc' where she is so overt about it..

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>>11687847
Aki fucked herself hard by getting the EOP boost after that clipped video and then taking a few break days immediately afterwards.
After that she played Ark and Death stranding exclusively for a while.
Rare to see a vtuber kill their own buff that badly.

[Anonymous No.]

Its so sad to see peko's numbers today. Don't ever do a morning talk stream again peko

[Anonymous No.]

>NijiEN overlaps multiple POVs and streams
>Tribalniggers make multiple bait threads/posts on how they are declining.

Enjoy time looping everyday. Especially since the majority of EN streams within the same 5 hour block with 5-7 streams a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11687302
Man, I still get choked up remembering that live. The most kino season finale that an idol anime could ever have and shit wasn't even anime.

[Anonymous No.]

Schizo theory of the day:
Selen's star performance in styling on Ethyria's debuts in the main channel's debut watchalong made her catch debut tourists instead of the debutants.

Can we agree the live shows were a bad idea?

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>>11688309
In the context of the time and day it's a good stream number wise. But if you want to be sad about the average/medians then yea.

I hope she also does an evening stream, potential double top 10 isn't bad.

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>>11688518
Don't think it's that schizo.
Selen absolutely stole the show, she tore the new wave apart and made herself the highlight of the debuts.
The debut is supposed to be about the fans focusing on the new hires and not the previous wave.

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>>11688518
It's not even that schizo, that's most likely what happened. She completely stole the show during the commentary stream and the collab at the end of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688309
The number make sense though. If she ever wants big number in morning stream she needs to call multiple hololive members like how mio and fuwa did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688624
>>11688635
incidentally this is also part of why Hololive has the collab ban, to prevent this exact scenario from happening

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688518
Not as much of a rrat as you might think. There's been discussion in past threads about how Selen's performance in the watchalong, as stellar as it was, did more in undermining wave 3.

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>>11688518
that is pretty much what happened. Her collab with bunch of guests just stole all the views since the wave 3 was doing only zatsus and monetization streams.
>>11688686
it makes sense

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>>11687135
That GTA clip definitely helped, but I wonder how many viewers stayed after. I always thought that the biggest filter was her model and that her recent success is partially due to her new model being more inline with the aesthetic of the others, kinda like how AZKi changed to look more "kawaii".
For the record, I loved Migo's second model the best. It had so much SOUL.
>>11687302
>>11688371
Yeah I have fond memories of that live, waiting to see Migo again after all those months without her.

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>>11688686
and yet people here love to complain about the collab ban whenever a new holo debuts

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>>11689034
Those are newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11689034
>people
you mean retards trying to prove that Nijisanji is the better company for not "sequestering them away from the rest of the company".
Well where are those voices now?

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>>11688686
I think the unofficial collabs like Gura joining Bae's MK stream and minecraft streams with no VC during the ban actually helped council though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11689125
That was a good few weeks after they debuted though. It's not like they collabed right off the bat

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688686
Need to develop your own fanbase before you go crazy collabing with everyone outside your gen or else your fanbase just consists of tourists.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688371
It inspires people even at the present https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/7660f324faf768fc56e251154ef8925426006250

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>>11683873
Suisei was shilling her sololive hard during her costume reveal. Like Kiara level. Makes me think the concert is at least as important as the album to her. It’s so hard to get numbers for digital tickets and merch but given they had a second run 500-700k is a reasonable place to start. Between album and concert that’s around 1.5M in revenue. If she keeps 70% that would be literally 5x her lifetime superchat income. Or to put in perspective roughly Coco’s lifetime superchat take home.

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>>11687555
>I don't know if something like that could be duplicated again.
>>11689416
>Makes me think the concert is at least as important as the album to her.

Same thing did happen with Suisei earlier. Sure, like Miko with her nigga clip, she had been inclining ever since joining Hololive proper (and already since joining INNK if with a smaller boost), but her 3D debut concert was what turned her into a 10k average streamer.

For "normal" musicians concerts and merch sales make more money than album sales. In a way, albums are just advertisement and excuse for a concert tour. While Suisei probably takes a bigger cut than the average artist due to the DIY nature of Hololive's music production, chances are that the real money is still in the concert and the associated merch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11689366
Yeah, it was most certainly a landmark event. Sure the viewership was huge but its impact goes far beyond the event itself. Aside from the spectacle if Coco's graduation its probably the most important event Hololive has ever done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11689693
If they had just bumped up the venue a bit to like 5-7k full. I feel like they are missing out on huge live ticket and merch sales. Stream tickets will be big but nothing beats being at a venue having an amazing time and impulse buying merch.

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>>11689416
Are you factoring in merch?
I recall Suisei made a remark that she was shocked at how fast towels sold out.
On 10/14 Hololive twitter announced they were doing a second merch run for her concert.
https://twitter.com/hololivetv/status/1448619600900415488

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688355
Tbf, management should really tell them to spread out their schedules, but they don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>11689813
The streaming and physical tickets are priced the same so they are not losing that much money by going for a smaller venue. If anything they might make more money that way since they don't have to shell out that much money to rent the place

[Anonymous No.]

so, Cover is no longer a small indie company at this point, right? is it a medium-size indie company now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11672299
same day last year

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>>11690161
Really makes me wonder what the true numbers would be without Youtube's bullshit filtering.

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>>11689693
Anyone who follows bands knows the grim finances associated with their early contracts. They usually get absolutely raped on up front costs and lose a ton on the back end as everyone and the label takes their cuts. The HL girls seem to be getting writers, mixers, producers etc on reasonable terms and even if they have to front the costs themselves they aren’t paying out on the back end. Instead of paying for a van and driving to dive bars they can build a core audience playing Tetris or Minecraft and then rope in fans with karaokes. By the time they are ready for a sololive they have a rabid core fanbase, a larger more casual fanbase, and really good percentages. It’s not a bad model compared with signing with a big label and all that entails, or being a classic struggling indie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688624
The debut show was a mistake. I will never understand the reasoning behind it and why it was done 3 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690161
man even nijis were high. I still dont understand the change that happen that decemebr

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690161
Two months to go...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690128
they are still small. BUT they are as popular as meidum / big companies now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690214
I briefly checked it out and your biggest talent in the branch bagging on the newbies even in “fun” seems counterproductive. On brand for Niji though I suppose

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690194
I take it that the nijis in groups signed to record labels probably aren't taking that much home after all the cuts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690186
Just multiply every number by about 1.2-1.5

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690194
I believe when they say sponsored by Bushiroad, it's actually bushi investing for the concerts. I suspect Subaru and Korone could be next, their recent 3D lives had so much potential

[Anonymous No.]

>>11672299
that was the 20th lol wrong. Heres the 19th Suisei top aswell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690289
NijiEN is playing 3D chess. They are putting all thier eggs in the Selen basket and hope that by gravitational pull she will expand their market cap and some of the viewers trickle down to the other 9.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690346
Having easy access to labels is considered a bonus if you can't do it yourself. The floor is much higher but the ceiling is much lower.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690186
>>11690229
Is it an algo change or just Covid being less of a thing now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690480
Youtube changed what is counted as a live viewer.
EVERY streamer saw a big dip in viewership overnight, it wasn't just limited to vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690480
backo on december the algo changed.
is part of why the live viewers of youthbe gameing reclined that Quarter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690385
Neither of them have enough original songs for a sololive so I very much doubt that

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690480
both. Youtube changed the ccv aka spam views last year and peak covid buff. Gura was getting ridiculously 40k - 60k likes normally back then now shes struggling to get 30k

[Anonymous No.]

>>11689936
they literally have a group schedule they all share and use to avoid overlaps and this still happens

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690760
Anon that's a year ago, of course it will have 50k. She can farm them just fine at faster rate

[Anonymous No.]

in less depresing news for nijiEN
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjXEcLlNSTg
pomu appealing to coomers 900 waiting.
seems like a possible record for the branch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690418
Well hopefully they don't burn her out then since Obsydia doesn't have senpais that they can run to. And no, Lazulight aren't their senpais since they all got hired at the same time and we're debuted in separate batches just because.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11690760
>>11690883
>1 year vs 11 days
Another example, different game

[Anonymous No.]

>>11691006
Desperation is real.
If this coomerbait doesn't get at least 3k she should consider fingering herself on stream for the noombers

[Anonymous No.]

>>11691150
>>11691006
It'll get easy 5k but the downside is she'll now do this every week until she decided to get her boyfriend (me) to finger her onstream

[Anonymous No.]

>>11671288
India is one of the most populated places on earth and its vtuber scene was so desolate that the branch assigned to it got graduated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11691150
> changed her laughing pattern
> SC bait with medical, tears, and marshmallows
> leeched off Vshoujo and OTV
She's just an over-glorified hack, who has hit her ceiling last year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11691813
Pomu has never been that strong in viewership and is only slightly above Finana. For some reason she has a very vocal fanbase here but the wider vtuber audience doesn't seem to be that into her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11692263
She has a lot of fans here because stylistically she's very close to a Hololive vtuber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11691813
Didn't most of the NijiENs try to leech off of Vshojo and OTV?
Did nothing for their viewership in the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11692456
Nah. She has the tast of a /jp/sie so people loved her since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11692263
Finana fucked up her debut, and lost 33% potential CCV, else Pomu would have the lowest median out of the three. Though being last in the group might help Pomu's SC game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11692707
she having some breast sickens and needing to work to have medical insurance helped with the SC. if she didnt had that backstory she would be at the end of everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688371
kek the most I remember of that event was how Ayame was glaringly the only one who didn't record a message for Miko.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11693348
Ayame is peak vtuber min/maxing. How she get away with it for so long is simply illegal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11693348
It looked especially bad because even gen 5, who debuted while Miko was on break, recorded a message for her despite never interacting with her at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11676337
>>11676455
if they follow the same steps as the jp branch then the next gen should be HoloEN gamers, I know gamers was an excuse to add Fubuki's friend but they can do something different this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>11693348
I think this was the closest Ayame ever got to actually seeing blowback for her lazy style. People were pissed. However, Ayame had her birthday call in stream like a month later and Miko called in and I think that quelled a lot of the anger.

[Anonymous No.]

can this collab get top 1 today?
https://twitter.com/natsuiromatsuri/status/1449862441240719362

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694099
>Matsuri
Nice joke anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694099
host channel is very important, if this collab happens on ferstival's channel then no

[Anonymous No.]

>falseflaggers pump up NijiEN as a joke in these threads to bait oversensitive holofags
>after things played out poorly for NijiEN recently you guys go out of your way to kick them in the shin for not living up to no ones standard
>start making shit up about Anycolor putting lots of stock and expectations on NijiEN
How much did you guys get traumatized by the bants? Chill, you diatribe is poisoning the catalog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694321
Not my fault that dramafags are taking shit out from the numbers thread to shitpost and bait (You)s

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694321
what the hell you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694468
ah the falseflaggers excuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>11692263
Her popularity probably from pitybaiting saviorfags with the whole cancer stuff. Now that her treatment has passed they don't really have that much attachment so some have left.

[Anonymous No.]

>Fully clothed
what a waste

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694733
Right and everyone shitposting about Matsuri and using them as bait are all Matsurisu

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694321
ah the falseflaggers excuse. Poor nijiniggers can do no wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694099
what if.. its matsuri/roboco/towa apex collab? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694877
i put nothing past matuli

[Anonymous No.]

>>11694321
I’m curious. Was the idea NijiEN obviously could never match HoloEN obvious 2 years ago? Before Myth debut? When did the switch flip? Niji was in the lead at some point and then lost it. Was it obvious or do we just have the benefit of hindsight?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11695085
Absolutely the benefit of hindsight.
After all, up until early 2020, the idea that Hololive could match/surpass Niji was crazy. That, plus the idea that the EN market would support vtubers to the extent they did? Niji didn't quite have the reach that Hololive ended up getting, and there was no Coco to prod management to try and enter the EN market, instead making the boneheaded decision to go into fucking INDIA. That has little/no weeb support. What kind of fucking metrics were they using when they went into INDIA of all markets? Were they just baited by the large population?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11695401
One of Cover's investor owns an entertainment company in India, probably told Yagoo to not enter India.

[Anonymous No.]

Numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
>Lain at sub 500 views
/vt/ promised me that edengumi was a golden wave.

No memes, I genuinely thought they would all be all stars since their debut month was strong as anything we've seen in a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
selene and pomu please give some views to your co-workers just a few hundread

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
>Selen 2k
>Finana Reimu sub 1k
Selen is broken.

[Anonymous No.]

Who would win:
>some random wagie with 500k subs
>the former most popular hololive member with currently 1.7m subs playing her signature retro-style franchises
The answer may shock you, expose the hololive decline and set holobrony's asses on fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11688371
Eh, if you want to talk Season Finale, I'd say Coco graduation is the most kino one (Since it's literally her "Finale" as Kiryu Coco)

Miko one came close tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
>Selen
She is just a NijiEN fan black hole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696569
wasnt korone first stream 18k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11695865
Or maybe that they saw how that worked for Niji

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696569
>not in full caps and uncreative bullshitting
>not at least including unbraiding Pekora's hair
ngmi anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>11695401
NijiEN could have absolutely cucked Hololive.
VTubers were already gaining traction in the West, and Melody's absolute mogging of 3DPD women in Chaturbate confirms that the West do like their anime women.
Niji should have said fuck it and struck first in the West, even if IN was bleeding.
Westerners were hungry for Vtubers they could understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
>1 watching
I WILL SAAAAAAVVVEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
> 24 CCV
I thought Shiki was a 3 digits chuuba what happened?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696912
her watchalongs have debuffed her greatly. She has been doing a lot of them this month

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696912
No one likes watchalongs.

I kinda wish we had more numbers on start ups but playboard doesn't carry them.

[Anonymous No.]

kronii at 14k, she's the strongest next to gura, and most of Council isn't too bad either. anyone who is saying council wasn't a success is delusional. Council has proven that Hololive has not only staying power in the West, but that it can expand the actively viewing market too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696781
Thank god they did that dumb move or else we won't have HoloEN right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697334
The only "failure" is Sana. And she could just do mineraft and get some numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
Lain...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697365
Lole, Holo would've made HoloEN either way, we saw what happened to NijiID after HoloID right? And it'll happen again in KR.

[Anonymous No.]

to be honest niji just looks unappealing and ugly

[Anonymous No.]

>coomer gimick stream
>only $1k
looks like SC is reclining for her also

[Anonymous No.]

What was the deal with Hana Machia? Wasn’t she popular with EoP relatively speaking? Could she have been niji Korone? What ever happened with her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697613
Calling them ugly is too much and rude
But i did try to watch them and i don't get the vibes i loved from hololive on them so yeah they're unappealing (for me)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697757
TL;DR, she actively filtered her EN speaking audience
That's it really, and then HoloEN came along and put the nail in the coffin for that.

[Anonymous No.]

Pomu can't even break 4k on this lewd stream....

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697516
Sana gets very good sc despite her ccv. She’s also a pro level artist which is a huge asset. Her recent hiatus and getting screwed repeatedly by Susan isn’t great but she’s sort of finding her own niche.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697516
Her SC game is pretty good. $53k from only 23 monetized streams. If we exclude the monetization buff that is still $34k in 22 monetized streams. She'll feast when she comes back from her tragic break.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697773
As a casual Niji has some horrifically filtering designs. I saw a clip with some weird buff maid in drag that was so intensely off putting I think it put me off Niji for months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697945
Yeah the buff dude with a makeup, the joker and some of the girls who are just bland looking are filtering me
But Ars, Millie and the Panda girl are good looking

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697757
>>11697823
most of her stream are 20k or below now.
that's quite a drop

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697334
She's still gradually rising too, now 15k viewers.

[Anonymous No.]

Mori getting fucked by the overlap, but her paypigs are out in force.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11695401
Was Niji entering India before or after Holo's Taiwan yab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698718
Really wonder if she can reach Lamy and Rushia status if she enables SC during readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698718
Zatsudan stream is not a tourist magnet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698753
Before, January 2020

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697823
… but why? Is there someplace to get a run down? That seems like the worst decision imaginable for her and her company

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698155
I was thinking Jesus 20k ccv is great. You meant views. Holy shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698842
Her stream was showing up as a watchalong until it started for some reason, that might've fucked things as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>mori and irys collab karaoke barely does better than suisei karaoke on her own and in most cases does worse than it
I thought people loved their singing

[Anonymous No.]

>>11696153
Niji en numbers yikes! Couldn't even beat mori zatsudan stream....

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698936
People love Okayu and Mio's singing and that could barely break 16k. Suisei is just next level. Plus, it was on IRyS' channel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698849
She absolutely HATED being popular and she was always stressed out about being leagues above the rest of the IDs.
Her branch members liked to joke that she thought she was too good for them.
I recall watching one of her rant streams in early summer where she mentioned that she didn’t have any friends in Nijisanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698936
holo jp has a bigger audience

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>>11696781
Oh man, I remember the absolute amount of salt that was being produced when Melody first blew up on Chaturbate. It was glorious. Seems like eons ago at this point. Where does the time go?

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>>11671226
should we call her "Empress Kson" from now on?

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>>11699041
That /v/ bait reminds me of the time where normies kept thinking that female vtubers are all males with voice changers. Now that's old.
>>11699109
Nah, if anything Pekkers deserves the title. Kson is just riding on her l2d debut buff while Rushia is taking a break

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>>11698994
It’s amazing how much of a company’s fortunes hinge on the mental stability of a bunch of autistic women. Cover had Korone Fubuki and Coco to set the ground work. Hana sort of screwed Niji

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pac9AiEPWig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pac9AiEPWig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pac9AiEPWig

MC on Sheep's channel

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698807
Add marine to this list since she's above Lamy and shes still in a break.

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>>11697830
while overlapping with Selen, Reimu, Finana and Enna. Think this stream went really well numberwise for Pomu

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>>11698982
It's bait lmao, there were a bunch of overlapping streams, especially Suisei outfit reveal. Karaoke always draws a lot of JP audience, look at the chat language % for any EN karaoke. If there was no big event going on I'm sure the draw would have been bigger.

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>>11699367
>overlapping Iofi
How could you do this to your slave henchmen...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698155
ACTUAL RECLINE

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>>11696645
>Selen suckes all NijiEN fan like a black hole.

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>>11699509
Suisei ended before they did yet theyr barely got 4k or so more viewers than they did while Suisei was streaming

[Anonymous No.]

>>11698913
>You meant views.
yup. losing a lot of views and active subs to the EN vtubers is one thing. but pika has the same problem and did not drop this hard

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>>11699760
Suisei ended on the hour, anon, at which point 7 other streams started.

[Anonymous No.]

Kronii hit 16k.

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>>11698936
>>11699760
EST and PST weren't even up for MoRyS comparing to prime time JP for most of Suisei's Karaoke. Only hardcores for NA audience were there.
If anything, it's even impressive that they got 26k peak during JP prime with overlaps.

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>>11699860
I find it difficult to believe that those 7 other streams would even light a candle to the combined singing prowess of both Mori and irys in an off collab

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>>11697757
Lacking support from the company could be one of the reasons too. Remember that they always call her up when they want to shill something e.g. forced them to shill on Reddit, shill the newest branch NijiEN to eops, etc. but don't include her when big collabs happen.
I think Hana needs a new home that would appreciate her talents more like maybe Maha5 or maybe HoloID even they don't really need her that much.

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>>11699852
As I said, Hana actively filtered the FUCK outta her EN audience, whereas Pika didn't. It's a shame that Pika dropped as hard as she did, but 'tis the nature of the market.

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>>11699760
If there was no event how many of those would have gone to the karaoke? The views when Suisei ended then split to a bunch of other streams. It was also at like 8AM EST on a weekday for NA. Compare to MoriXMilky offcollab on a weekend only peaked at 16k

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>>11697823
>filtered her EN speaking audience
>then HoloEN came along
that's why you never throw away your audience like this. there are always some "hot new toys" around the corner and ambitious streamers who Will appreciate their audience

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>>11700049
pika suffered from holo EN etc but i think she still puts on pretty decent numbers despite it all

[Anonymous No.]

>>11699864
Mel apear

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>>11700206
>>11700049
>Pika
if only she could collab with HoloEN/ID girls more

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>>11700049
If I remember correctly, Pika dropped because she took a break, which got rid of the tourists who found another chuuba to infest. Pika never actively drove away EOPs

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>>11700049
>filtered the FUCK outta her EN audience
did she refused to speak EN or told them to fuck off at some point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11697757
>B-BUT MUH H-HOTTAKES
So much for popular invincibility, i hope HoloID3 gets big numbers so she and her branch seethes because they've been mogged eternally.

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>>11700358
pika seems to have good interactions with both niji EN , holoID + at least Ina. not much with other holo EN though

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700358
Sooo, the sure way to incline is to collab with Holos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700478
They already mog the fuck out of ID. HoloID is around the same level as NijiEN as of now.

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>>11700478
>B-BUT MUH H-HOTTAKES
is this a coincidence that Most of content creators who are famous for "HOT TAKES" are pretty boring in general. seems like reasonable wayfor talentless and lazy person on the internet to to draw attention

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https://twitter.com/houshoumarine/status/1450653557514903555
Looks like no return stream numberfagging until November

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>>11700699
Holo never had many eyes on ID before, lets see what they got this time. NijiEN numbers are already guaranteed, maybe they have a breakout star on this one.

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>>11700583
well She waspretty popular EOP chuba befor holoEN. in a way they stole her thunder, BUT Pika isnt numberfag. i remember her asking ppl to NOT bother holoEN members about collab with her.

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>>11700277
She hit 16k multiple times before Mel appeared.

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>>11700874
>breakout star on this one.
another EOP friendly NijiID(in reallity EN) chuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700995
Proof? Because I'm watching her stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700801
well, on wich day did she scheduled mogging?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700920
pika is a class act. never begs for collabs or desperate for views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701072
He doesn't had. Even bae appear to get someone 16k

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701072
>>11701139
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/isG0MuTTi3M

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700801
Ah. A shame, but if her throat was THAT bad off (sounds like it was) then better that she rest up until its properly fixed considering the upcoming concert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701260
>Proof
>Didn't mentioned Mel and bae hour time
So no proof

[Anonymous No.]

>>11700801
Nijisanji still has a chance to win the month. They need to go 12-0.

[Anonymous No.]

Around 40k for holoEN right now

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>>11701375
This is Mel's time:
>>11700034
> 19:36:10

Bae entered later unless you can disprove that.

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>>11701388
DYRB?

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>>11700801
shouldn't affect the numbers that much, theres still suisei's free part of the concert

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701471
No Proof then

[Anonymous No.]

>11701567
(You)

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>>11701567
We can wait for vods to finish if you really want to be BTFO instead of just accepting your mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

Bae ate 1k of Kronii's numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701388
If Kuzuha manages to beat Hololive 12-0 for the rest of the month, I will forever kneel

[Anonymous No.]

the discrepancy between NijiEN and HoloEN numbers is baffling, especially during their respective overlaps

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701638
Still no Proof? Ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701727
but muh merch and slow and steady
and uh, HoloEN slowly reclining

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701727
I wonder what Nijifags will reason out this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>11701727
I wonder how much the stream median for NijiEN will plummet for this month, a debut month. At least NijiEN has a star and pretty soon she will be getting more than the average Niji female.

[Anonymous No.]

>11701761
Sad (you) farmer

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>>11701915
they are pretty laze nowadays.
could at least threw some tribalistic bullshit

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>>11701388
I'm a big baseball fan and I don't truly disengage until my team is fully mathematically eliminated, no matter how bad things look, lol. You seem like you are doing the same thing. I respect it.

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>>11701893
There’s always the next wave I guess

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>>11701761
You haven't exactly shown proof it was Mel's presence that raised her views you know.

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>>11702037
NijiEN males will be a winning ticket and will push Nijisanji into the premier agency in the west. Gura might even switch lanes at some point or regret not waiting.

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>>11702037
>next wave
will be males,anon..

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>>11702084
He is just baiting lol don't fall for it

[Anonymous No.]

most of EN doing well, even Bae has 5k. Only calli is doing badly, but its a pure zatsu stream.

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>>11702106
Delusional lol
Gura had been successful enough to regret joinign hololive even if NijiEN does bloom

[Anonymous No.]

>more fortune telling
Nijifans should just all start fortune telling as a career since they're all so keen at doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>11702129
Yes, and that will be how they win. I'm expecting 20k+ debuts since Selen is doing well and wave 3 brining in more fans.

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>>11701638
>>11701761
does this help resolve both of your faggotry?

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Gura
>16.4k
>156,178円
Kronii
>14.8k
>237,305
Baelz
>4.8k
>21,787円
Mori
>3.4k
>365,248円

Mori is suffering with the overlap but at least the SC money is good

[Anonymous No.]

bae slowly inclining with a simple story stream. Nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11702301
Still no Proof

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>>11702320
Mori's zatsudan feels like her regular karaoke after party

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>>11702253
>20k+ debuts
doesnt mean much, wave 3 had ~14k+, but look at them now.
personally think successful male vtuber isn't possible
>charisma and zatsu skills
>good voice
>great gamer
but im not sure any person of this tier will apply as vtuber.

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>>11702253
>Yes, and that will be how they win.
It "may" make them incline a bit but dominate HoloEN? Lol no
The Myth dominated the market because of the great timing (pandemic, gura miracle), its too late now

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>>11702611
this will be just "Holostars tier move"

[Anonymous No.]

>20k on Millie's ASMR
NijiEN is definitely winning today.

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>>11702253
Well 20k debuts should've been easy for NijiEN if they were really inclining.
>>11702609
Unless the NijiEN Males they debut have famous roomates like Pewdiepie or Markiplier

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>>11702755
anon...you need to let it go...
at least she can collab with holo ID

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>>11702755
Damn You, It Made me look

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>>11702611
NijiEN girls do well for themselves all things considered but the only path to the top is the males. If there is a market for male vtubers then NijiEN will finally have a rock. Right now it is just Selen and the dead weights.

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>>11701375
>>11701471
Anons I don't know what you guys are arguing about, but there's hololyzer for cross-checking
https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/realtime/supana/isG0MuTTi3M.html

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Aren't you too bold to assume that EN male chubbas would work exactly the same as JP male chubbas?

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>>11702755
1.1k*

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>>11702934
Yeah but i'm talking about the "That's how they win" part
Win in what? dominate the HoloEN? Sorry but that's unlikely

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>>11702755
>20k watching
>1k likes

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>>11703040
Be contenders for daily crowns instead of a laughing stock.

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>>11702934
There is no path forward for NijiEN. The males are the final nail on the coffin, as there is no market for male VTubers in the West.

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>>11703193
Top 10? Maybe, if the JPs are having a weak day. Crown as in number 1? Probably not.

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>>11703260
English crowns and world crowns for events. One liver with consistent 10k+ CCV, maybe at least one liver beating one HoloEN in CCV average.

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>>11703012
Its manjisanji so better odds than hololive.

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>>11702129
Males would still be 2k shitters. A ticket of Collab from Kuzuha to Selen wouldn't ensure that she'll incline in any way. Pekora ended up boosting Moona late last year through an impromptu collab that leads to a nice storyline. The same goes for rrat and space. They've started a storyline themselves with Pekora as prankster kouhais, the storyline is yet to be seen in the future.

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>>11703354
Wishful thinking for the former, but the latter might be possible if there's at least one non-dead weight in the branch.
>>11703370
Fair enough. Cover is giving away the male chubba market for free.

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>>11703046
>>11703036
>>11702810
You'd think leaving the inspect element window in the screenshot would be a hint.

This is also the reason why I never trust screenshots.

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>>11702609
Fuck....needs at the very least, 1+2, 3...well, COMPETENT gamer is needed, great, not so much. 1+2 is pretty much an absolutely needed if they want to succeed but...yea, why the FUCK would you be a vtuber as a dude if you had 1+2?
Like, maybe if you find someone who has stage fright and giving them a vtuber model somehow allows them to overcome it and become a real tour-de-force and steal the show on debut.
So. Not impossible, but that's trying to pull a gura+ tier miracle out of a scouting department that has, thus far, shown that they don't seem to have it in them.

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>>11703531
Heh, Yea. Screenshots without a site to back up the info are sus. That's why I prefer to link holostats if I need to back up an argument.

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>>11703354
>consistent 10k+ CCV, maybe at least one liver beating one HoloEN in CCV average.
sweet dreams

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>>11702410
Isn't that how it goes most of the time?

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>>11703538
>3...well, COMPETENT gamer is needed, great, not so much.
Dont forget that only female streamers for the most part can get away with low skill gameplay, because of "oh she is cute dork"/"SEX" factors. Males.. not so much. thats why you should be competent + gamer AND good in zatsu otherwise people will not be interested. but since most of streamers interested in being Vtuber are weeb trash there is pretty low chase that we will get high tier male EN vtuber.
the best option which comes to my mind is "Male YT VA who happened to be a good gamer"
>but what about Kuzuha and other JP male vtubers
for JPs vtubers for the most part (outside of hololive) are equal to normal streamers

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>>11702760
Doesn't need to be that heavy desu
Someone like SovietWomble would work

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>>11704501
If you were that popular why would you join some small chubba agency that may or may not take off and have to pay cuts to the company?

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck are you idiots talking about? EN males getting 10k+ viewers? That's not possible unless they get some famous streamer or content creator to do it as a side-gig. I'll be surprised if they get more viewers than holostars even.

[Anonymous No.]

Makes me wonder how hard a HoloStarsEN branch would mog NijiEN males or would the dynamic not change and NijiEN wins by being first.

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>>11704950
>Male EN Vtuber cant get 10k+ ccv
you were saying?
https://youtu.be/vdPct2yAtJ8?t=15

[Anonymous No.]

>>11705138
The most likely scenario is that NijiEN males do just okay with like 500-800 viewers on average and starsEN never happens since Cover wouldn't see them as a big potential market.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11705340
>starsEN never happens since Cover wouldn't see them as a big potential market.
potential market for Cover with their unicons fanbas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11704950
>What the fuck are you idiots talking about?
This has turned from /#/ into /fantasy/ recently. Lots of armchair investors too. I kinda wish we had a casino so we get obsessed with numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11705295
>That's not possible unless they get some famous streamer or content creator to do it as a side-gig

Anon..

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>>11705340
I thought I heard its cause the main Holostars don't want one so Yagoo didn't go for the idea.

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>>11705683
They don't want more members in general, not just a separate branch. And yeah, if they added an EN branch it would absolutely destroy their viewership since 60%+ of holostars fanbase are reddit EOPs saviorfagging them because of the brand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11705683
I mean invest in another gen of girls it is much more profitable

[Anonymous No.]

Is there one of these for September yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706205
>leo
>lain
>lauren
please dont remind me of what could have been

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706205
Check the archive. It was posted before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11705876
>60%+ of holostars fanbase are reddit EOPs saviorfagging
im not sure this is true for some1 but astel and roberu (mb rikka too)

[Anonymous No.]

The pekora, marine and rushia of EN

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706401
Its hard to replicate this three.

[Anonymous No.]

The pekora, marine and rushia of EN

>>11706454
I forgot to include the pic

[Anonymous No.]

Bae maybe the strongest zatsudaner in HoloEN

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706488
Mori is just all chat stream right? how the fuck did she get those numbers?
I'm not surprised by Gura but Kronii do surprise me, it seems she can still get sc like these

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706780
Because this is an after party for Mori's karaoke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706488
Anon, rushia makes more than gura and mori combined...

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706775
Ina zatsu is stronger, but very rare unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706488
I'll consider Ina and Gura for zatsudan above Bae for now, but maybe one day Bae can grow even strong

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706918
I'm just saying that there are similarities of EN to JP 3. They might not reach JP's heights, but on the side of EN, there's no one who could contest Gura's CCV/VODs and Mori's SC earnings. Marine strikes a balance, same as Kronii if she was motivated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11707059
I can see where you're coming from

Gura who has high CCV and gets high SC without actually trying like Pekora

Mori who is the top 1 in SC like Rushia

But kronii.. It think its way too early to compare her to a powerhouse like marine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706918
>rushia makes more than gura and mori combined
..in term of SC

[Anonymous No.]

>>11706488
Imagine how much more Gura would have gotten if she didn't say she wasn't going to read Superchats

[Anonymous No.]

>>11707184
>Mori who is the top 1 in SC like Rushia
..EN(!) member. she was top 7 in term of SCs in 2021 (Kiara 8, Gura 9)

[Anonymous No.]

>>11707232
https://youtu.be/Hr-wdkOQw0c?t=40

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBtZPbJTTrY

How hard can the buffs outweight the Matsuri channel debuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>11707232
Imagine how much money the EN makes if they don't turn off SCs during SC readings. NijiENs are shameless at that, the same goes for JPs. I don't know about Kiara though if she turns off SCs during readings.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm pretty sure that even if Erythia gets bad numbers by themsleves they helped the rest of NijiEN incline. I'm sure someone has the monthly data to back this up. Everyone seems to be doing better than last month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>11707509
Why is Matsuri in collabs again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>11707484
Gura turned off SC at the start, and then told chat she won't be reading Supers at the end of the stream because she was tired, so buyer beware. I assume some people didn't SC because of this disclaimer.

>>11707519
Kiara never turns off SC iirc. Also, Nijis need all the help they can get rumao