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Name something that Indie vtubers keep doing wrong?

>> No.11344619

>>11344605
>Being a Indie

>> No.11344701

>>11344605
not much, success is 99% random, about who you know and luckyg timing. Just play the lottery until you win or die.

>> No.11344728

>>11344605
The problem with indies is the same problem with anime. Like there was an old analogy of how modern anime is written by anime fans while older anime were created by those who simply want to make stories.
For vtubing the logic somewhat still applies. All of Myth except Gura were not just used to vtubing, but they barely even knew what vtubers were when they applied. YAGOO lucked out because with them winging it all 5 of them had something brought to the table.
It's where indies end up failing because they usually parrot off whatever the hottest vtuber is doing instead of trying risks. Like Coco said, you should always try new things when you plan your streams.

>> No.11344749

>>11344728
>Like Coco said, you should always try new things when you plan your streams.
to be fair vast majority of holo don't do that at all and are super safe and repetitive

>> No.11345064

>>11344749
And that's why Myth succeeds over most of them.

>> No.11345126

>>11344728
>they barely even knew what vtubers were when they applied
Ina was a big Hololive fan

>> No.11345147

>>11345126
and not a newfag aswell, she was following since 2018 and was already drawing fanart far before it got popular in the west

>> No.11345333

>>11344728
I've never heard that analogy about anime but that describes exactly what happened. I love it thanks.

>> No.11345345

>>11344605
Not have a massive corporate backing. Though that's not quite their fault. They also weren't born with divine luck.

What I've noticed with less sucsesfull indies is that they don't try to emulate corporate vtubers. Schedules, themes, some personal niche like drawing/singing/specialty at a game etc... give vtubers a stronger sense of presence.

Oh, and dead air. Work on that shit. It's an interest killer like nothing else is.

>> No.11346127

>>11344605
Even if the vtuber hype die, wave 3 still not gonna be failure like nijishittyEN 3rd wave

>> No.11346282

>>11344728
not really, Hololive is already a very big name when Myth debuted.
Myth wouldn't be successful at all if they were in a different company like MyholoTV

>> No.11346374

>>11344728
>Like Coco said, you should always try new things when you plan your streams.

It's ironic how Hololive got worse after she left and now the entire company has become a Minecraft streaming page

>> No.11346447

>>11344605
A lot of them just don't have any sense. They'll either have shitty basic models or they'll talk about stuff like going to the bathroom

>> No.11346530

I mean, theres different levels of "success" and honestly comparing yourself to Hololive and other big names is kinda crazy, honestly dragging yourself up from nobody to around 200-300 viewers is pretty good, but that 200-300 range is kind of the.. comfy trap.

And a lot of Indies tend to solo too much, usually I see reasons along the lines of wanting to build their brand but even Indies should aim to do 1 collab a week as a means of making friends, getting your name out, and honestly bantz can lead to better streams.

>> No.11346613

>>11346374
newfag

>> No.11346778

>>11346613
No you

>> No.11346789

>>11344605
Getting into vtweeter drama.
No matter how relevant it may seem at the time it's never ever worth it.

>> No.11346818

>>11344728
>. All of Myth except Gura were not just used to vtubing,
Not to get into pastlife shit but Ame, Ina and Gura were vtubers

>> No.11346827

>>11344749
Which is fine when you have a brand with huge reach (just like Hollywood movies). When you are on your own, it's harder to stand out by being derivative. It's not impossible but that leaves it more to that "luck".

>> No.11346885

>>11344605
they're trying to copy everything

>> No.11347504

>>11344728
>>11344749
>Taking risks
Do you even watch indies? Many of them show their irl face, if that's not a risk, what is?

>> No.11347529 [DELETED] 

>>11344728
good post

>> No.11347574

>>11344605
Indies are doing nothing wrong.

>> No.11347620

>>11344605
Auditioning for NijiEN.

>> No.11347660

>>11346374
Cry more, chink.

>> No.11347724

>>11344605
The biggest thing with indie vtubers is they don't play a character. They just act like themselves and think the avatar will carry them, and it never works. And the few that try to play a character / have a personality that mixes in with the avatar always pick a superficial part of their appearance (ie. a dog vtuber will just sporadically bark from time to time).

>> No.11347740

>>11344605
They dont have the "Hololive" name attached to them

>> No.11347774

>>11347724
You described quite a lot of corpos.

>> No.11347894 [DELETED] 

>>11344605
>>11347504
that totally defeats the point of vtubing and is the other huge reason id say indies dont succeed: they are too personal
the whole point is to be a character that retains a refined, idealised version of your self
when this illusion is muddled by irl problems, facedoxing, etc, it ruins the ideal
almost the exact same phenomenon as someone who falls with an idealised image of a girl, only to fall out of love/be heart broken when the reality of the girl starts to collide with his ideal
eg pekora is prob one of the most artificial characters in hololive but shes wildly successful bc shes so entertaining

>> No.11347920

>>11344728
How the fuck is a post so wrong getting so many people agreeing with it? not only were at least one of them already a vtuber, but how on earth do you even think someone like fucking Calli (a wigger that is such an unironic weeb that traveled to japan to make japanese rap and fuck japanese midgets) and Ina (an artist for fucking FateGO) not aware of Vtubers?

>> No.11347948 [DELETED] 

>>11347724
this

(you posted this while i was typing my response saying basically the same thing you nigger, you beat me to it)

>> No.11347956

>>11347894
Pekora played more or less the same character when she was a titty streamer on NND and she was a nobody back then.

>> No.11348202

>>11344605
Most are just average twitch streamers with an avatar. Anime puts off normies and certain types of nerds. Instead of carving a niche they are following a trend.

>>11344728
>Like there was an old analogy of how modern anime is written by anime fans while older anime were created by those who simply want to make stories.
Not 100% right. Many times fans have come in and made something amazing. Take Sonic Mania, fans with a huge passion for the smallest detail. But not to the point every flaw must be replicated, and that there is no room for modernisation. Metroid Dread also feels like this, you can see all their passion for the series but were also willing to change things in a way that felt right for their goal.

There are many idolfags in Hololive, but they are neither surface level or blind fans. Indies tend to fall into those categories but about anime, games or vtubers in general. So they are unable to innovate or reinvent.

>> No.11348707

>>11348202
I mean yeah, a lot of Indies became Indies because they fell down a vtuber rabbit hole hard and live and breathe vtubers now. Most actually interesting vtubers have other hobbies that they like to talk about.

>> No.11348751

>>11344605
beg for sc
not enough lewds
lewds aren't subtle enough
voice filter
laugh filter
model filter
collab filter
roommate filter
doesn't stream enough
hates her fans

>> No.11348819

>>11344605
If you hate vtubing and you don't respect the audience, don't say that on stream. Keep it to yourself, you idiots

>> No.11348837

>>11344605
Oversharing their personal lives and facefagging

>> No.11349938

First thing anyone who might click on an indie stream looks at is the avatar. If it looks like shit with garish colours and weird features then that's a red flag. It might signal to some that they're cheap and trendhopping so they don't give a shit about their model, it might signal that they're really new, it might signal that the streamer doesn't even have the most basic sense of taste or awareness about how they appear to people, which doesn't bode well for the stream. Sure, there might be cases where this isn't true, but most people won't bother to find out if they're already turned off.
After that they look at the title, but this has a different impact for each viewer. Uwu-speak will turn off some, titles worded implying there is already a solid culture might attract some while chasing off others. Clearly unintentional bad grammar or spelling errors are red flags.
After that is whether the voice fits the model. If a male voice comes out of a clearly female model most people just click away right there if they're ENtubers - babiniku culture is not strong. If a very deep alto comes out of a dainty fairy avatar many are also going to click away. Also, volume balancing and EQ plays a big role here in not making an unfamiliar voice not sound out of place next to music and game audio.
After all of that, people then start watching the content. One thing is that if the streamer speaks like two sentences a minute they're going to lose people fast, even if they're witty sentences. If they're already big it doesn't matter because a chat that knows them fills in the gaps - but if they're small the stream starts to look echoingly empty.
One mistake a lot of indies make is to greet every new face that pops into their chat by name and even address them with that. This makes prospective viewers uncomfortable because it gives off a sense of desperation, like you're trying to extract commitment from them by getting personal, akin to a sleazy car salesman who calls you by your first name every three sentences. It's also alien to other stream viewing experiences they've had. Answer questions and have conversations, but use names sparingly, if ever. The worst thing about automatically greeting new viewers is if the new viewer isn't a new face because they checked you out like a week ago and you just forgot. It makes you look artificial.
Also don't go too far on 'real life' stuff. The line is not easy to draw, but basically your viewer should never be getting the impression that they're just listening to a random twitch streamer without a camera. A vtuber avatar might be imagined to go to university classes or whatever and that's fine, but if a female vtuber says something like, "Yeah so I've done my nails up recently, I wish you could see it, I've spent a lot of time on it" - it's a topic that drives to the forefront of the viewer's mind the discrepancy between the roommate and the vtuber avatar. Needless to say sharing your real face is a surefire way of diluting and weakening your viewers' association with your 'brand' and kayfabe.

>> No.11350403

>>11344605
>Name something that Indie vtubers keep doing wrong?
The common mistake I see from /asp/ is that they can answer is simple question:
Are you doing this for fun or money?

>> No.11351463

>>11344728
>>11348202
Interesting discussion.

Anone feels like Dikes and schizos can't make original content part cause of >>11344728
's argument and virtue signaling?

>> No.11351794

>>11349938
Good post

>> No.11353798

>>11349938
I'd say a fair amount of that is forgivable so long as they are working on it, just throw up a disclaimer along the Iines of [hey I'm new, this is practices, my model is in the works, hang out with me and help me improve]

>> No.11355039

>>11344605
Its about balance of all factors.
Even high-mid tier vtubers ruin immersion or end up just having conversations that just sound like stoned people mumbling over discord channels.
The real difficulty is reaching out to the audience with your entire spirit, maintaining presence of mind, and staying perfectly relaxed and natural stream of consciousness, while also maintaining your character above some minimal level.

Its almost shamanic - the degree to which you have to just completely give in to being nearly perfect like it aint no thing.

>> No.11357108

>>11355039
EN Indie chuubas really do struggle with not devolving into IRL posting or the avatar just being a facecam stand-in with no commitment to keyfabe

>> No.11357519

>massive dead air between every sentence
>bad audio quality
>bad model / colors
>generic model (catgirl, hoodie guy) with no identity
those are the biggest filters for new viewers

Other things like game of choice or kayfabe strength will have pros and cons, as people are interested in different things.
If the main hurdles are dealt with, niche interests will attract fewer people, but they will be more loyal.

>> No.11357591

Connections.
Literally just connections, if they want popularity, no matter how much talent you have it's wasted if you don't have the connections to blow up.

>> No.11357966

>>11344605
Zero ambition

>> No.11358262

>>11344728
>All of Myth except Gura were not just used to vtubing, but they barely even knew what vtubers were when they applied.
Gura, Ame, and Ina were ones and Kiara definitely knew. Kiara probably knew first considering she was an old NND streamer that was plugged into the early part of the scene. Mori learned from her friend. You're 4/5 wrong on this one so it is hard to take you as anything but a retard. Also hololive was synonymous with vtubing in the west long before Myth, Cover could have paraded out NijiEN's line up and had them be the most popular vtubers in the west by orders of magnitude.

>> No.11359111

>>11344605
>Name something that Indie vtubers keep doing wrong?
Lacking brand power.

Oddly, Indie vtubers with their own brandpower - mangaka, artists for other vtubers - are doing fine.

>> No.11362187

>>11348751
>not enough lewds
>lewds aren't subtle enough
??

>> No.11362295

>>11349938
Post this in /asp/

>> No.11362342

>>11347920
The board's full of Cover worshiping hololive fans. Of course a post talking about how brilliant Cover is for getting 5 people with next to no chemistry together as a group was the best possible move.

>> No.11362538

>>11362187
The sliding scale between Petra on one end and Veibae on the other. You want to be like Gura where you tell lewd jokes that will fly over the heads of anyone not looking for it but anyone who is will get a chuckle, not like Petra "mutes herself on an RFA stream" Gurin or Vei "I stuck a dildo this big into my cunt the other day" Bae

>> No.11362574

>>11344605
Trying too much to be like the big corpo vtubers is my #1 complaint. You don't have the same kind of restrictions placed on you, so why the fuck aren't you using your freedom to your advantage? It's somewhat infuriating.

>> No.11362897

>>11347920
Ina knew, but Mori didn't, she told
herself in a stream answering how she got into Hololive.

>> No.11362936

>>11362574
Becasue as it turns out when you are given full creative freedom 99% of people just default to toilet humour

>> No.11363146

Mainly talking about 2views here, but:
Being a vtuber does not make you novel, that ship has sailed by early last year at the latest. A successful streamer, regardless of using a webcam, a Live2D rig, a PNG or fucking nothing, offers a unique set of entertainment that you can't find anywhere else, coming from skills like being good at certain games, being talented with certain arts or having great interactions with the audience or other streamers. Honestly, either one alone is enough to make you stand out and if you don't succeed, it means that you're lacking in all of these aspects and maybe you should consider dropping content creation as a hobby/future career.

>> No.11364122

>>11362295
Well /asp/ has their own fair share of weird fixations. Like buying all the expensive equipment right off the bat before they know if it'll work out or not. And way too many people wanting to do GFE/BFE

>> No.11364205

>>11347956
I feel like it'd be weird to have a titty streamer who acts like that, but hey at least it's an personality at all

>> No.11364344

Mishmash designs

I saw a 2view who was part fox and part dragon or something, sometimes simple is best.

>> No.11364349

>>11357519
>>bad audio quality
bad audio and voice is by far the worst IMO

>> No.11364361

>>11362897
I feel bad for Mori's friends. She beat them out without even trying, and is now wildly famous. Guess that's the risk in having friends.

>> No.11365607

>>11344728
You have good thesis but use flawed argument.

Yea, I did browse a bit of those 2views lately; I started to enjoy this close relationship between chuba and viewer. But some of them stay at this low level, so their streams are like chatroom where they have vtuber avatar. While first and foremost, they should work on delivering entertainment, not just digging walls because they want a lot of emeralds or something. Having fun in a game is nice, just make sure viewers have fun too.

>> No.11368342

>>11344605
Not use TikTok

>> No.11368693

>>11365607
It's the comfy trap, and comfy streamers have their place and some are happy to be at that level, but to grow yo have to aim to become an entertainer.

>> No.11371398

>>11344605
not having sex with me

>> No.11375074

>>11344605
They're usually too self indulging to market themselves properly. Nothing wrong with being yourself but don't complain about your lack of success when purposefully alienating people or aiming for a very niche market

>> No.11375771

They don't take risks.
Holos don't need to because they already have it made, they don't need volatility.
If you are at the bottom, the only volatility is upwards.

>> No.11376721

>>11347504
If they are relatively cute, that's an asset not risk.

>> No.11382443

>>11364361
It would suck to have friends that get butthurt about something like that.
At that point, are they even really friends?

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>>11344605
The success of Holo EN is a lucky combination of covid forcing everyone to watch youtube, the peak of the vtuber fad, years of unmet demand for an english version of hololive, big name corpo brand, the peak of vtuber clip faggotry making everything go viral, the media in the west finally catching up to the vtuber fad and a bunch of "controversy" viral shit making the vtuber thing known to a massive untapped international market. It's like all the stars aligned for them, they couldn't have had it easier than that. They're still big but market is already diluting and their growth has pretty much slowed to a crawl now.

>> No.11385769

>>11353798
It's not about 'forgivable' when it comes to entertainment. Most viewers on the other side of a screen with no way to even be hurt by the sight of a disappointed chuuba (because they've already left the stream) respond to their first instincts.

>> No.11390551

>>11344605
bad luck
> Stats pulled together by Zach Bussey, show that in the last 90 days, if any streamer (affiliate/partner or not) averaged more than six viewers, then they were in the top 6.7% of the entire site.

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/new-twitch-stats-reveal-how-few-viewers-are-needed-to-be-a-top-streamer-1527638/

>> No.11393640

>>11344605
Ignore shitty & creepy viewers. Their chat may be gross, but handling them well and you'll have fanatic followers who may do more than just like and subcribe.

>> No.11395471

>>11362574
They are not succeeding despite the restrictions, they are succeeding thanks to them. Absolute freedom is the enemy of creativity.

>> No.11395567

>>11344605
Not being good at being loli. Not having a good starting song that draws in weebs/JPs. I don't like most of Cali's song but that first one was really good. Not having senpais who laid the foundation too.

>> No.11395633

>>11344605
being indies, if she want to have succes they need to apply to hololive

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>>11395633
by the same logic:
as you can see in pic related, the dominoes were about to fall which creates an attractive force backwards in time for objects like fingers.

>> No.11398813

>>11390551
That includes people who only streamed once, skewing the statistics - as the article mentions if you actually ever read.

6viewers puts an affiliate at top 30% which is much less impressive.
But that also necessarily would include people who achieved affiliate and gave up at that point.
So the Numbers start to sound more and more reasonable.

>> No.11399242

>>11345126
I've been wondering. Who is ina's Oshi? Has she ever mentioned it ? Takos? Is she a 35p like Ame? because how she was with Mikochi the other day it seemed like it because it's exactly how I am when I watch Miko.

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>>11344605
Playing the same boring games that every other vtuber is playing. Of course some vidya better lends itself to streaming, but it's hard to get invested in something that's so unoriginal.

Also the big vtubers are big because they're great community managers who can navigate challenging balancing act of making people feel welcomed while also maintaining a sense of exclusivity. A lot of indies will reach a point where they feel "secure" and start focusing on maintaining their garden instead of growing it. Any new viewers who discover the chuuba are going to be put off because they feel like they've stumbled across a community that doesn't need or particularly want them. If you can make a new fan feel as important as your first subscriber without alienating the "old guard" in turn then you can safely say you've made it.

>> No.11402714

>>11344605
Audio issues

>> No.11402750

>>11399762
>Also the big vtubers are big because they're great community managers who can navigate challenging balancing act of making people feel welcomed while also maintaining a sense of exclusivity. A lot of indies will reach a point where they feel "secure" and start focusing on maintaining their garden instead of growing it. Any new viewers who discover the chuuba are going to be put off because they feel like they've stumbled across a community that doesn't need or particularly want them. If you can make a new fan feel as important as your first subscriber without alienating the "old guard" in turn then you can safely say you've made it.
Startups make this same mistake too

>> No.11402890

>>11344605
They’re not in Hololive

>> No.11403358

>>11344605
If youre an indie you dont need a debut.

>> No.11403501

>>11399762
People only care about MC for the collabs so if nobody cares about you or the people you collab with then its shit. Same for APEX, which is usually more entertaining for interactions/zatsudan but at least for APEX, you maaaaaybe can be a draw if you're really good. But you have to be REALLY good like that Crylix kid, who's not a vtuber.

>> No.11403630

>>11344605
Revealing their IRL face.
People come to VTuber streams for a kind of character show and face reveals typically ruin that.
What's even worse is when they get a decent number of viewers, they abandon the VTuber model and then complain their viewership is going down.

>> No.11403709

>>11403630
>What's even worse is when they get a decent number of viewers, they abandon the VTuber model and then complain their viewership is going down.
Example?

>> No.11403843

Idk for me I'm gonna get a model soon but doing my streaming reps voice only even I agree that I rather watch someone with a cute voice for hours, I don't care about numbers but I'm hoping by the time I debut with the avatar I have folks watching me that can give feedback for my stream quality

>> No.11405678

>>11344605
Living

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