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Why is hololive's Live2D so primitive?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaKqn-AUOHU

>> No.10991139

>>10991082
VTubeStudio has been technologically superior to Hololive's proprietary software for more than a year, anon. This is not news.

>> No.10991473

>>10991082
Cover made a decent program 3 years ago and they never moved forward while everyone else is passing them.

>> No.10991633

>absolutely mogged on stream
marineschizo is squirting her pants right now

>> No.10991956

>>10991633
Well the thing is I blame Cover for not updating their software, and thereby let other VTuber software do more advancement

>> No.10992013

>>10991082
beatmario is so fucking based

>> No.10992075

>>10991956
shouldn't you be happy that marine is stuck in a black company?

>> No.10994377

>>10991082
Oh shit, I hadn't been keeping up with Marine but she collabed with BeatMario? Didn't she bend her knee to her unicorns when they told her to not collab with males a few months ago?

>> No.10994577

>>10991082
Hololive is Vtuber world NOKIA.

>> No.10994882

>>10991082
Hololive is the Bethesda of vtubing.

>> No.10994937

>>10991082
>muh technology
Nice cope for having no personality or appeal

>> No.10995006
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10995006

>>10994377
Actual sponsored touhou event, she also met ZUN.
Also I don't think you understand how unicorns work

>> No.10995035

that shit's too much work for hololive, what you give to one chuuba needs to be given to every other one.

>> No.10995036

>>10991082
Because they think it is good enough.
And because there is no need to update.
With how much they're successful and earning, I doubt their first thought will be to update their Live2D, it just doesn't make sense in terms of business costs. The fundamentals of a business is to maximize profit while keeping costs low. Some people don't seem to realize that.

Well being that said they're probably not in a rush to do so because they're confident they can do it any time, and better than anyone. Let's hope they can keep thinking this way...

>> No.10995291

>>10991082
Cover's competition is too weak for them to care

>> No.10995395

>>10991082
By primitive you mean having way better tracking and more natural movement, instead of some gimmicky animations?

>> No.10995452
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10995452

>>10991082
Imagine that, Cover taking 30-40% of the money their talents make and what they do? They take the money and run. Talents literally paying for their own songs, anniversaries and self-promotion. Meanwhile, Cover doesn't even invest back into their talents to get them decent models.

>> No.10995522 [DELETED] 

>>10995006
I hope ZUN fucked Marine and the gachikoi killed themselves.

>> No.10995621

>>10995395
Not even fanboys are this fucking retarded. The tracking Cover use is absolute aids. It can't even follow mouths properly.
Wait, you were meaning 3D? Oh, okay then, so you're retarded when pretty much every other large-ish group has better tracking, including many companies that are fucking smaller than Cover by a VERY FUCKING LARGE MARGIN.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDgH-CfHO85D0rxtXnXeN2w
Fanboy responsibly. Cover are fucking retarded, lazy and complacent. They only just recently started hiring better staff.

>> No.10995635

>>10995522
Imagine being this retarded

>> No.10995737

>>10995621
>The tracking Cover use is absolute aids. It can't even follow mouths properly.
Have you ever watched a Lamy stream, like, ever?

>> No.10995742

>>10991082
Marine did a 1 on 1 collab with a fucking m*le? What a whore.

>> No.10995786

>>10995742
There was another woman there, that screengrab just cuts her out.

>> No.10995902

>>10995737
Learn the difference between tracking and fluidity of a model.
Also, her model is nothing compared to Watame. Watame has the most complex design just because of her horns not skewing like fuck whenever she moves around.

>> No.10996061

>>10995902
Was just pointing out how they're limited by the rigging/style of their models more than the tracking (see Pekora or Korone).
Lamy was just the most blatant example since her mouth has the best range of motions. Watame is a good one too, to a lesser extent.

>> No.10996336

>>10995522
I'd be more angry she got to fuck zun than the other way around

>> No.10997169

>>10991082
>clipnigger
>clickbait
kill yourself

>> No.11000078

>>10994377
>a few months ago
I bet that's exactly how long you've know what a vtuber is because Marine had beatmario on her stream in April 2020.

>> No.11000370

small vtuber company please understando

>> No.11000926

>>10991082
They put their time into developing a lobby system for their app instead of gimmicky animations.

>> No.11002086

>>10995621
I mean, I agree with everything you said, but that example you gave looks like pure horeshit. The models look ugly, and the lighting made it look like a compressed mess.

I think Niji has the best live 3D out there atm, since they can do object tracking and AR. Still like Holo overall though, but that's just a personal preference. Cover should step up.

>> No.11002146

>>11000078
Nobody cares about what happened in april of last year. They are not going to be impressed by your posturing.

>> No.11002228

>>10995452
You wouldn't even have heard about them if it wasn't for the hololive brand. How many 2 view indies are you watching right now?
The reality is that the brand is worth way more than cover's cut.

>> No.11002312

>>11002146
Mad that you lies got exposed, huh? Now kindly fuck off.

>> No.11002346

>>10991082
Holoniggers seething

>> No.11002475
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11002475

>>10991082
it's beat fucking mario

>> No.11002482
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11002482

>>10995522
ZUN is a married man. This is not /vt/ friendly, anon-kun. Marine would be grossed out by you.

>> No.11002533

>>11002312
That interaction is from fucking august of this year and it happened on touhous channel. There was no reason to bring up an april 2020 collab. That's not even her stream in the picture, nor was that a costume she had back then. So the only lie here is when I tell you that your retarded attempts at gatekeeping worked.

>> No.11002628

>>11002533
>Didn't she bend her knee to her unicorns when they told her to not collab with males a few months ago?
This is a lie and you just admitted it yourself.

>> No.11002942

>>11002628
That wasn't even my post. All I did was point out how bringing up a collab that mappened more than a year ago has no relevance in this discussion other giving you the ability to grandstand about knowing about cartoon ladies on the internet longer than some other idiot. Maybe watch a stream that happened within the last week.

>> No.11003060

>>11002942
If Marine bent her knee to unicorns a few months ago, why wouldn't an earlier collab with a male be relevant?

>> No.11003159

>>10991082
https://twitter.com/Colagabunomi/status/1445941379276754947

>> No.11003406

>>11002086
What does model quality have to do with it? They have, hands down, the highest fidelity tracking, period. Not even Nijisanjis is close to it even when it has improved so much when they made that purchase recently.
Although I do see them probably beating them in time.
The AR and XR stuff is a definite advantage they have over everyone though. It allows them to do a lot of fun stuff. Cover stagnated like FUCK with their AR tech they were originally developing.

>> No.11003426

>>11003060
That is what I'm trying to find out this whole time. How can you damn her for doing a thing and then months later saying she won't do the thing anymore? That's backwards as all hell. If you wanted something to get upset about, then take the august collab. I don't care either way. If she loves touhou, let her speak with the touhou people.

>> No.11003527

>>11003426
>Didn't she bend her knee to her unicorns when they told her to not collab with males a few months ago?
This is a lie. It did not happen.

>> No.11003708

>>11003527
How come this is now the second time my post id is tagged with something from a different person's post?

>> No.11003787

>>11003708
You just repeated the claim, retard.
>How can you damn her for doing a thing
This didn't happen. You are a fucking liar.

>> No.11003824

>>11002533
>your retarded attempts at gatekeeping
why are newfags like this?

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11004010

>>10995291
this indietuber singlehandedly mogged everyone in this board

>> No.11004047 [DELETED] 

>>10995522
small peepee's cant even thrust properly, I feel bad for every person in Japan that's getting laid or not.

>> No.11004127

>>11003787
I literally said she did a thing. Doesn't matter the thing. I don't give a fucking shit if she said she would collab with males or not.

But let's say, for the sake of argument, your dad makes a big announcement at the dinner table tonight about how he would never again in his life eat a pear. In what world are you going back into the family albums searching for pictures of him being crowned pear king of 1985. And let's say further that in a different scenarion your mother made some big claims about your father's supposed decision to refrain from pears. Are you going to call her a liar because he had a pear 30 years ago? Because that's what's happening here and I am genuinely confused how we are going in circles about this.

>> No.11004199

>>11004127
Did Marine bend her knee to unicorns or not?

>> No.11004298

>>11004199
>I don't give a fucking shit if she said she would collab with males or not.

And I don't give a shit if she does or doesn't.

>> No.11004324

>>10991082
I mean at the end of the day, does anyone really care? Itd be nice for karaoke or something I guess but for regular streams I pretty much only listen to them in the background these days.

>> No.11004331

>>11004298
This isn't about you, this is about Marine and the unicorns. Did she bend her knee to them or not?

>> No.11004347

>>11004298
Then why did you even bring it up in the first place you absolute faggot? Are you seriously that starved for the attention your father didn't give you?

>> No.11004411

>>11004331
Jesus dude you're arguing about something in the recent past you can't even remember, are you a mutt?

>> No.11004427

>>11003406
Who cares? It's works. And while it works good enough to make money, nobody going to do a shit about it.

>> No.11004465

>>10991082
Does anyone in a JP company like Anycolor, VOMS or 774 has that kind of emotes?

>> No.11004475

>>11004427
I give a shit about it!

>> No.11004500

Anon, the beatmario vtuber is based on his wife, for him she is so beautiful that he wanted to show it to everyone.both zun and beatmario are married filthy unicorns

>> No.11004607

>>11004411
I remember exactly what happened. The retard that posted
>Didn't she bend her knee to her unicorns when they told her to not collab with males a few months ago?
does not.

>> No.11004722

>>11004500
What a stupid reason.

>> No.11004728

>>11004324
We shouldn't be excusing laziness with how much money Cover makes now but unfortunately being corpo is about cutting costs.

>> No.11004822

>>11002482
why should i care if marine is grossed out by something? she is a filthy whore

>> No.11005027

>>11004427
Exactly. If it was really an issue, everybody would have Ferrari tier cars.

>> No.11005098

>>11005027
hololive should have the ferrari of live2d if they are really the best and biggest vtuber company

>> No.11009160

>>10994937
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>> No.11009475

>>10994937
HOLY COPE

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Cope thread?
Cope thread

>> No.11010356

I still wonder why Cover hasn't added pinning yet.

>> No.11011722

>>10995395
There are plenty of indies with better tracking and more natural movement than Cover, Like Snuffy and Saruei. Nyanners may be part of VShojo, but they're more of a mutual defense pact than an actual agency afaik so she counts too.

>> No.11011743

>>10991082
Is a pre-programmed animation really that impressive?

>> No.11011842

>>11011743
All animations are pre-programmed, retard.

>> No.11011901

>>10991082
Seeing someone as cocky as Marine getting mogged is funny, she's extremely bullyable

>> No.11011904

>>11011842
I meant as opposed to motion tracking, but act as obtuse as you want, my point still stands. That's just a button her presses to do a silly animation, it's got nothing to do with how good or advanced the live2D is.

>> No.11012090

Animations for a chuuba are as useful as a bike for a cripple, bitches are either playing games, zatsudan, some events or 3d lives.

>> No.11014186

mAssivo Copado y Seethado

>> No.11014482

>>11004010
>Putting in the most effort
>Still getting mogged by Holos in every metric

>> No.11014605

I just want chuubas to have face tracking so good that they dont have to press a button on their stream decks to change facial expression, they can just actually do it and it reflects on the chuuba.

>> No.11014629

Who's the more irrelevant person here: BeatMario or Marine. I would have to say BeatMario.

>> No.11014743
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If they ever update(=downgrade) Korone's or Pekora's face I'm KyoAni-ing Cover in Minecraft

>> No.11015362

>>11014629
???
I don't know shit about otaku culture but isn't he a bigshot in the music industry?

>> No.11015625

>>11015362
lol, no

>> No.11016242

>>11004298
holy FUCK you're so fucking retarded anon-kun

>> No.11017856

>>11015362
He's one of the most well-known figures of Japan's internet culture.
>>11015625
go back to commenting on youtube

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>>11011722
>Better Tracking
>Shittier Models
>Papa ArtGun's

>> No.11019535

>>10994937
HOLOCOPE

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>>11018304

>> No.11019946

>>11018304
>5ch said
sad

>> No.11019995

>>11019874
Does everyone in hololive have it as bad as Subaru?

>> No.11020048

>>11019874
Subaru looks like she has cerebral palsy, she deserves better..

>> No.11020124

>>11019874
Subaru is fucking hideous

>> No.11020232

>>11020048
Cover literally can't provide better than that

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>>10991082
>pre-made uncontrollable animations is something marineschizo thinks is revolutionary

I can name 50 mobile games that have done that in 2014

>> No.11020292

>>10991082
Cover should just delete the Hololive app and use Vtube Studio. Maybe buy a part of the company to have some say in future features

>>11011904
>>11011743
No, it's not impressive at all. That just shows about how incompetent the software engineers at Cover are for not having the feature already implemented

>> No.11021322

>>11019995
>>11020048
>>11020124
It's her charm point

>> No.11021368

>>11009944
Holy shit, these people are gonna be accepted PNGs after a while.

>> No.11021424

>>11020242
yeah i'm gonna be honest i have never, ever seen arm movement on vtuber rigs that don't look like shit and basically worse than not having arm movement at all

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Your oshi will never turn 180 degrees.

>> No.11021567

>>11021477
Shame she looks so ugly

>> No.11021620

>>10991082
>codemiko, some random twitch thot, has rigging decades ahead and even real time rendering on her model and hair than the biggest vtuber company in the world
clown world. just the tracking she has on her face is fucking retardedly more impressive than any big vtuber company i've seen.

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Primitive? My rigging is far beyond your comprehension. You just don't understand the masterpiece behind my work.

>> No.11022648

>>11018304
>Nyanners' 3D
>ignoring Nyanners' 2D
>cherry picking this hard
Hope (You) got the attention (You) were looking for, Holocopie.

>> No.11022708

>>11019995
No. She's one of the worst. Kiara and Kronii for example have much better rigging.

>> No.11022718

>>11002346
Nijibrony scum I want you dead

>> No.11022893

>>11022718
Holobrony desperate to pass off his nickname lol, I guess nigger didn't work since you got the actual nigger now.

>> No.11023172

>>11019874
2d vs 3d subaru is day and night. i wish they would give a her 3d@home like miko.

>> No.11023579

>>11022708
Then why not compare to those?

>> No.11025183

>>10995902
>Learn the difference between tracking and fluidity of a model.
Lamy's is good enough that it can track her chewing without delay.

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>tech is better than personality, the thread
i hate this place

>> No.11028732

>>10991473
Literally all of Japanese culture in a nutshell.

>> No.11028918

>>11019874
>Fat stoner brony degenerate vs innocent cute girl

>> No.11031130

>>10992013
ok tranny

>> No.11031260

>>11020292
Software engineering is hard and expensive. Even if I gave you the entire earnings of their top chuuba (say 1 mil), you can only afford a team of around 5 engineers for a year. My team of 5 people barely shipped a working website in a year, let alone an advanced computer vision and graphics optimized to run on a phone.

>> No.11031307

>>10995621
xDDD ok i still think her movements are better than this beatmario

>> No.11031402

>>11019874
subaru is so cute thank u for sharing

>> No.11031764

>>11025289
Tech could be upgraded easily. Personality not that much.

>> No.11032560

>>11018304
>Joey Wheeler
Fake he's called Jonouchi over there

>> No.11032701

>>10994882
kek

>> No.11036215

>>10991082
Don't advertise your clip channel here Nousagi

>> No.11036559

>>11021620
The tech is impressive but it looks ugly.

>> No.11036779

>>10994377
Marine becoming friends with Beatmario and ZUN is what made Touhoufags and Vtuberfags on /jp/ finally get along last year.

>> No.11036903

>>11000926
an app no one ever uses vs. animations that everyone will see

>> No.11036906

>>11036779
nah that's wrong
holofags hated that she talked to males and 2hufags hated beatmario for talking to vtubers

>> No.11036996

>>11036903
>an app no one ever uses
Hololive doesn't use it?

>> No.11041771

>Claim they will NOT collab with males
>Collab with a man purely because he's famous
Nice to see they're all a bunch of hypocritical bitches.

>> No.11042903

>>11031260
>webmonkeys can't into programming
Yeah, no shit. How is this even relevant?

>> No.11048589

>>11011743
For Cover? Yes. There's a reason only a few of them have these little shit animations - they keep hiring absolute shit-tier animators that not even indies dare go near.

>> No.11048751

>>11036559
Also a hassle and a hell of a lot more expensive to do with an entire group. Code Miko wears a full body mocap suit and an entire room setup I believe while Hololive, Nijisanji, and other companies use an app and a iphone.

>> No.11048788

>>11023579
Because everyone cherrypicks to make their favorites look better.

>> No.11048789

>>11036779
Actually they always got along until the thread explosion started in September

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