/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

[Anonymous No.]

Why are male vtubers so upopular here and in the west in general?

[Anonymous No.]

Because western men are insecure closeted gays, next question!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
because the western vtuber fandom is chalk full of self-hating men who hate themselves and their whole gender.

if there was a magic button that could turn you into a girl, 99% of you faggots would press it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
I would, just so that I could have sex with Aruran.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
>if there was a magic button that could turn you into a girl, 99% of you faggots would press it
Don’t project you transgender fantasys on us queer, I will become not only the greatest male vtuber, but the greatest vtuber in general

[Anonymous No.]

I'm already a male. I get the full male experience by just existing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Because people can more easily find a bro on the internet than being valued by a female in real life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
This is true, they'd rather watch women giggling about makeup and pantyhose all day than guys playing games

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>>10811962
because different from what the media tries to tell you, the majority of western men are not gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Why be male vtuber when you can just stream

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
I would, but I don't hate being a man or men at all. Girl hot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812369
Its a gimmick at the end of the day, easier to get started as anime guy than normal guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Seeing a man with a female avatar creeps me out because you just know they get off to it. And the regular ones are just boring artists and asian dudes who don't play interesting games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
I dont want to have sex with a 2d Male

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Because males are talentless incel faggots

[Anonymous No.]

There is no female vtuber fanbase here because women are still to normie to prefer 2D over 3D.
Meanwhile, the faggots are busy intentionally pozzing each other with AIDS cum at furry parties, they're as far away from weebshit as you can get.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
Only if I could turn it back off whenever I want.

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>>10811962
Because if they are not looking for the girlfriend experience they are looking for the daughter or little sister experience where they are supporting a woman they like on some level.

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>>10811962
why would I want to watch dudes with fujoshit anime designs?
If I want to watch a dude streamer I'll watch any of the regular non vtuber dude streamers. In fact the only female streamers I ever watch are vtubers

[Anonymous No.]

How come straight women can watch anime females but straight men can't watch anime males?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813318
because men and women are different

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>>10811962
You make the same thread a couple of days ago. Why do you keep doing this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
No?
I like fucking things. Guys are fuckers, so they're dumb. Girls get fucked. So I like them because they're who I want to fuck. But a girl doesn't fuck, she gets fucked. Literally both being a girl and other guys are of equivalent use to me; zero, because neither lets me fuck the things you fuck(girls)

How is this not literally obvious?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812462
Ywnbaw

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813318
They do in Japan. The problem is that the audience isn't exactly the same in the west. You need people that are already deep in Japanese culture, then after that they may have a preference or their initial exposure paints a picture and expect that thing to be like that. The recent boom was with Hololive and it is women so the majority of them don't consider men as viable. Then look at other cross sections of weebs, what do their figures often consist of? Women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813500
>wouldn’t fuck mashiro
I don’t know anon, seems pretty gay to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
I want to fuck the anime girls
I don't want to fuck the anime boys
simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813634
Refer to >>10813564

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813564
>he thinks being a woman is merely your physical body looking like a woman
YWNBAW applies here unironically, if you can't tell the difference between a woman and a man because you think that a dick and vagina are just random shapes made out of meat, you're just ignorant of the genitalia of our souls

[Anonymous No.]

>>10814363
I can tell the difference between men and women which is why I can tell you are a tranny. Id make love to mashiros feminine soul and boy asshole before id get anywhere near you’re demented mentally diseased failed male axe wound simple as

[Anonymous No.]

>>10814363
Mashiro will never be a woman. And that's what makes him so sexy I want to pound his feminine butthole

[Anonymous No.]

>>10814864
>>10815172
gays not welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>10814363
evolutionary psychology schizo hands wrote this

[Anonymous No.]

>>10815372
Gay website

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Because getting in relationships comes easier to women, so they don't need a vtuber to get into a parasocial relationship with.
That's why regular male streamers are more popular, because losers are looking for a bro, and not a husbando.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10814363
the vagina literally looks like satan there is nothing random about it meanwhile the penis looks like a cross. this is no mere coincidence

[Anonymous No.]

>>10816223
Based schizoid

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>>10811962


Anon, this is kinda like asking why are there more popular female pornstars than male pornstars.

Cause guys like watching girls. This shouldn't be a difficult concept to grasp.

[Anonymous No.]

fragile masculinity enuff said

[Anonymous No.]

>>10818460
If it can't bleed it isn't alive, if nothing can hurt your sense of masculinity than you have none no matter how much you think you do because it's as invulnerable as a corpse

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Repressed fags hate them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Because Hololive was the most popular in terms of clips. The only other group of Vtubers that spoke English natively became Vshojo. It actually has nothing to do with gender, just luck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10816223
Yet more proof that women are agents of the demiurge

[Anonymous No.]

>>10820940
Am I still repressed if I'm indifferent to them?

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>>10811962
Plenty of men with good looks and good personality exist
This is not true for women
Hololive models apply good looks to a good personality. That isn't to say that the actors behind the idols are ugly just that its you don't need to look far to find good looking men who are entertaining as well on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812078
When you become the greatest, would you please fuck my oishi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Boys are just here to gush over their waifus, girls are just here to bitch and gossip. Not a good market for male vtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a male vtuber "chasing that dream" and it's already early on but I've accepted it's probably going to be a hobby I poured a lot of money into and nothing else.

Ah well, maybe all these EN tubers falling into poor health from their allegiance to the jabs will save me by forcing a lot of them into retirement or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10825540
No can do, the greats don't lose their virginity

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>>10811962
hololive doesnt have en speaking stars yet

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>>10811962
Because IRL male youtubers/streamers are already the most popular.

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>>10811962
hmm it's almost like there's a group of male gaming youtubers that already exist to fill that parasocial need of young kids and women.

but i'm sure that isn't true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10825540
Anon I would get fired from hololive if I flirted with any of the girls, I will only be allowed to talk to the boys. I will fuck mashiro however so hopefully that isnt your oshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Good male streamers are only hampered by an avatar, why would anyone watch a mediocre male streamer with a gimmick over a better streamer. The same doesn’t apply to female streamers because most of them are inferior to entertaining male streamers and aren’t competing with them so the avatar gimmick helps them stand out from other female streamers. In Nijisanji they cultivated an environment where the males can shine by growing of their popular female streamers which funnily enough has led to most of their top tier talents being comprised of males because they’re more talented and entertaining than their female counterparts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813318
Straight women prefer 3DPD

[Anonymous No.]

Lots of good regular male streamers, not many good regular female streamers

[Anonymous No.]

>>10828137
>Good male streamers are only hampered by an avatar
Every time people say this, I get confused. It's touted all over this board that no one is watching men for their appearance, it's only women who have this problem. So why does it matter if the guy has an anime Live2D, facecam, or no facecam, if the appearance isn't an issue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
chuubas only exist in the west as a coping mechanism for lonely weeb men.

it slightly fills the void in their hearts desperate for female companionship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10829084
Live2D is much less expressive than your actual face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10829309
But if no one is watching for the appearance why is Live2D a turnoff when compared to no facecam?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10829338
>>10829309
>>10829084
This is only said because other than nijsanji, there are no popular indie males, and holostars are treated like shit by cover. I believe that depending on who they get (me) holostars EN members could get very popular

[Anonymous No.]

>>10829232
>implying they don’t serve that purpose in nipland
>implying thats the only reason people watch them

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812363
If you think watching men makes you gay, maybe you're the one questioning your sexuality. This could explain why people don't care about male chuubas, but not why people are so opposed to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>be 3rd worlder
>have a pic ultra instinct goku as phone background
>all your mates think it’s cool
>go on 4channel and tell anons about your goku background pic
>they tell you you’re gay
Sometimes, being a 3rd worlder who is not being constantly exposed to homoshit is a good thing.
If you think that liking a man makes you gay, you have no respect from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Because men who are entertaining streamers just stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
everyone says they want to watch a male vtuber then they're shown a male vtuber and realize they only care about this medium because girls are cute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10830281
in my country (3rd world), if you have a male as a phone background they'll call you gay
if you have a female as a phone background they'll call you tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
So Tranny?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Men are good as gym partners and for doing /out/ shit with, but not much else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Men are just not fun to watch, men aren't funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10833672
Amy Schumer fag?

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>>10829338
Not a turnoff but a waste of money. Male streamers live or die by content only, no reason to spend money on an avatar when it does nothing for you. Female streamers get away with a cute/sexy appearance but weak content.
People don't hate male vtubers, they hate weak content, and (unsuccessful) male vtubers think appearance can make up for content like it does for female streamers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10830281
kill yourself spammer

[Anonymous No.]

>shitty game choices
>Shitty voices
>Shitty personalities
>Not even good taste in games or weeb content
>Models are usually shit and not worth looking at for hours
There I answered for you, and btw Bao's man is gonna be in NijiEN male wave and let me tell you, that fag is as bad as Nux so don't have any faith in NijiEN males to change the thoughts towards western male vtubers. Here's a tip to Male vtubers from /here/ just pick good games to stream and have a nice personality, have a decent model to look at too (if it's a cute girl I don't care, more power to my eyes) it takes a lot to filter me with voices so just focus on that if you're a dude that wants to become a vtuber

[Anonymous No.]

Men would rather watch female Vtubes. Unless they want to go the femboy route. For a male western vtuber it would be more logical to appeal to female audiences.
But they seem to have no idea how to appeal to female viewers.

If you come across a well designed indie male vtuber, its probably female. Actual male Vtubers usually have painfully bland and unmemorable designs. Usually they fall within two categories:
>Normcore dude
>Generic mmo protag

Personality, voice and enjoyable stream can make up for a bad model. The problem is, most dont have those qualities.
And the best model wont automatically make you into husbando material.
Take inspiration from popular male vtubers and popular anime guys(The husbando type. Not the type you self-insert as)

Theres many male content creators out there that have obsessive fangirls, like Dream, Connor and Corpse Husband. For a male vtuber it would be a good idea to figure out what made them popular.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how people are going into these psychoanalytic analyses when Japan has plenty of popular male Vtubers just fine.
Literally it's just because Hololive was the one to blow up in clips first. If Niji blew up in clips, this thread would never exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10842485
for clips to blow up, they have to be appealing.
the main appeal for most people about japan is some beta dude from the west would seem like an alpha in comparison over there. really doubt the taste of betas in nip standard is relevant for the western market.

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>>10842613
I mean kuzuha does have some appealing clips man. Like when he said that guitarists love beating women. But I think that vtubers blew up because of the novelty of both the medium and the idea of a decent group of female streamers.
I think that it hasn't been fully explored but I think that the only ways a new male vtuber would blow up is they make ground breaking content utilizing their character or the medium or they funnel their existing fame into it like nux did I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10842880
why would that be an interesting clip, hes not a roadie or in a band or anything

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>>10842613
I'll flat out disagree with you. The reason the Hololive girls blew up in the west is because they were the most appealing to the group that matters the most - dedicated translation clippers who are autists for their oshi. That was the only group that mattered. These clippers then had the algorithm lead to an endless spiral of Hololive - people who joined in on the clip game, joined on Hololive. Hololive had the most active western presence, Coco branched JP & the West, and Hololive and the first EN branch. Hololive is coincidentally all girls. The other primarily western Vtuber group was VShojo. This leads to female Vtubers being overrepresented, and the western culture to vastly overrepresent female vtubers as the only norm.
There was only one group that needed to be appealed to for the rest of it to spiral out of control.

[i got gala zethia right after sparking her so i'm taking it out on you guys No.]

>>10812054
you can do that as a man you know. also holy fucking based

[i got gala zethia right after sparking her so i'm taking it out on you guys No.]

bc they can just idk watch a normal streamer or something. i dont agree w that i think male vtubers are equally as entertaining as female ones (and also their avatars are sexy like a solid 75% of the time) but like. pretty sure that's their reasoning

[Anonymous No.]

>>10843198
Clips only matter if people become commited to watching streams regularly afterwards.
It's the exact same nonsense as the "I started watching from the avatars and now I stay for the personality"
Hololive was always going to be the top dog.

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>>10843540
Your point does not refute mine. Hololive are talented. Male Vtubers are also talented. If you're only exposed to Hololive, you'll stay with them. I'm saying, there is a large portion of people who aren't exposed at all to male Vtubers and so never have the opportunity to stay with them in the first place. You may point to me all the male vtuber fans, except those people are typically people who know more about Vtubers and know Japanese. I'm saying the casuals are mostly filtered out from watching male Vtubers, and that's all that matters for general perception and numbers.

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>>10843679
males have a significant portion of male fans watching them in their home country, but it's not exactly reflected in their overseas fanbase of which the most vocal part tends to be mostly female. there are english subbed clips of them on youtube, but a lot of translators will also post their work in the form of quick livetweets during a stream. i'm not sure most males (or even females outside of stan twitter) are used to such a format.

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>>10843831
I don't think anything you said is wrong, but I think my English was ambiguous. When I said "male vtuber fans" I meant "fans of male vtubers". Sorry. Please reread what you responded to with that in mind.

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>>10843679
Nah people aren't watching the girls stream unaware that there's male streamers out there and there really isn't much to follow so it's extremely easy to know their names too.
You go show the girls off to strangers on social media, they won't think "ah this is exclusively a girls thing"
People just don't care, anyone interested in streaming already has a ton of potential people to watch.
Japanese girls not limited by their cultural shyness and being shown to the world for really the first time was novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
Yes!

[Anonymous No.]

>>10843915
my mistake. i understand what you meant now and agree, sorry that i misread you.

[Anonymous No.]

males don't need a virtual avatar to stream, it doesn't make sense, it's like dudes wearing makeup
male vtubers are only a thing in japan because they're all effeminate schizoids afraid to show their real faces

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>>10812363
>because different from what the media tries to tell you, the majority of western men are not gay
American hands typed this post.
Only an American would be so mentally ill as to equate enjoyment of male entertainment with homosexuality.

That media you so despise has successfully brainwashed you beyond repair.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844101
well it's a bit different. The anime style is similar to ancient roman artstyle where the human form is held up to an extremely high regard.
Ancient romans were kind of fags.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
male vtubers are fujobait. i am not watching faggots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10830281
>If you think that liking a man makes you gay, you have no respect from me.
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844002
>afraid to show their real faces
He says on a board centered around anonymity.
>>10844147
Every healthy culture venerates the human form.
It was only with the advent of the reformation that this got a bad reputation.
Again. American (if not legally then spiritually) hands typed this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844213
The ancient romans sculpted naked dudes, built like baki. Faggotry like that was never the norm.
Look at the least it's uncool to have a near perfect appearance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10830281
no dude, there are clear differences between Goku and Nijimales, if you can't see them you are legit stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812409
it's literally the same thing with extra steps

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844290
>built like Baki
...it's an athlete's build, anon.
Something you easily get simply doing high intensity sports. Baki dudes don't look like that. Even remotely.
Sweet lord why are burgers so incapable of coping with their obesity epidemic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10829919
i do watch normal male streamers, i do not need them to look pretty.

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>>10844528
the statues are at least 2 meters tall anon.
your obsession with american weight makes it obvious you're not particularly healthy yourself.
You like gay supermuscle/feminine perfection shit, that's cool but it's not regular taste.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10843979
Knowing the existence of Male Vtubers, and having the motivation to watch them is different. Let's go through the different groups because the demographics are complicated:
There are the people who only watch clips and know little to no Japanese. Hololive has both the most clips and are the most famous clips. The casuals will watch a few clips and maybe keep up with a certain clip channel or whatever drifts into their youtube algorithm. It doesn't matter that they aren't opposed to male vtubers, or even that they get a clip of one or two male vtubers they watch, it's that the numbers will be disproportionately female Vtubers and they'll sub to female vtubers. This is similar to people who are fished into the community by /r/Hololive from reddit's all or meme pages, or TrashTaste, or any other location where people somehow get filtered into Hololive. This contributes to the overwhelming presence of female Vtubers in the west.
Next group of people, people who watch streams. There are two groups: people who only watch English streams and the people who will go into Japanese streams. For English onlys, the popular English speaking Vtubers are basically all female. VShojo, HoloEN, NijiEN, all the other agencies like PRISM or whatever. Basically all females. This further makes it so people looking to toy with investing in the western Vtuber market see that primarily females suceed and mistakenly attribute it to them being female and think not to risk it with male Vtubers, causing even more female Vtubers to come into prominence. Further, they probably if they were stream watchers before, already know males who speak English that stream which they regularly watch, and ergo see no need to watch English speaking male vtubers (of which there are few) when they already had quality male streamers to watch. Next, the Japanese stream watchers: these people will typically watch the stream of their oshi, which is typically one of the people they were introduced to early on. This leads to primarily oshis from Hololive (females), with a fair amount going to Nijisanji or some potentially to Holostars. Regardless, in terms of popularity, females will be disproportionately popular, even if male talent and female talent are equal and people's tastes to watch females and males are equal.
The last point I want to make, is about the people who would bring up gachikois & GFE; but people overestimate how much of English speakers comprise that. Gachikois are way more a Japanese phenomenon, the hololive Vtubers that appeal to gachikois get significantly less English viewerships, and yet Japan is still the location with more popular male Vtubers. This all leads to that it's the initial predominance of Hololive in clipping that leads to the disproportionate popularity of female Vtubers.
The reasoning for female vtubers being vastly more popular than males, really has nothing to do with differing tastes of the west. It's just Hololive blew up with the target demographic who would allow them to ride youtube's algorithm the rest of the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844725
Look I really don't think in any circumstances JP male vtubers could have taken enough of a chunk of the male streamer audience to be what would be considered as popular.
Also I'm fed up with any sort of premise that a lot of the hololive girls aren't in fact truly special.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844682
>the statues are at least 2 meters tall anon.
That still doesn't make them comparable.
> your obsession with american weight makes it obvious you're not particularly healthy yourself.
Where's the lie tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844860
bloody hell I'm a Hololive fan & fucking watch the majority of them, have like fucking 5 tabs of hololive girls open at a time, I'm just speaking the truth dude.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844860
Also, for "popularity", JP Male Vtubers don't need the male streamer audience chunk. What matters for popularity is clips and has always been clips. The proportion of people watching a stream that are from overseas doesn't fucking matter, otherwise Holostars would be more popular than Hololive, because they are way more lopsided to EN viewers than JP viewers. You'll see more English speakers in Astel's chat than you'll see in Rushia's.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845078
clips my nips
that's just proportionally, Rushia is very popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844470
Well yeah but it would be easier to start in niji or holo than starting alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844725
>mistakenly attribute it to them being female and think not to risk it with male Vtubers
There's no mistake about it. It's pretty obvious female vtubers do better in the west.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845371
Until I debut yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845426
Bro, I... not even the /here/fags watch males your odds are not good

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844860
>Also I'm fed up with any sort of premise that a lot of the hololive girls aren't in fact truly special
Can you tell me what exactly makes Marine or Miko "special" in comparison to vtubers like Tsukino Mito or Suou Patra?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845459
Im not a /here/ fag I stopped coming here when I realized 99% of the board is gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845218
Tell me you don't watch Rushia without telling me you don't watch Rushia.
Rushia has essentially next to no English interaction. She only ever gets a sizeable number of English viewers during streams that are past midnight JP time. There's about 1 noteable donator who uses dollars though there a few that rotate out and not. She has vastly more Taiwanese viewers than she has viewers from native English countries. She's perhaps the one Hololive Vtuber that I'd say has a chance of having an absolute number of English viewers lower than the absolute number of English viewers Astel gets, which is why I used her as an example, and the only reason that's not actually the case is because a good portion of the Taiwanese speak English as well. But that doesn't matter, more people and English speaking fans would know about Rushia than Astel, and she'd get more English speaking subs, cause she has more clips, even if people don't watch streams. Which is why I was saying the demographic of "people who watch male streams" is irrelevant, all male Vtubers needed for popularity and the perception of popularity is a large number of clips and the algorithim favoring their clips. The subs get more people recommened, who actually do watch streams, and gets the ball rolling, as well as increasing their native JP popularity (which matters more). Which wasn't the case as much as it was with Hololive. Hence the less popularity of male Vtubers in the west in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845614
You're here right now bro...

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845520
Pekora is a better entertainer than 70% of nijisanji on her own, niji had, and has a couple of gems like mito, but hololives quality is easily more consistent

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845674
Shit you’re right…

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845520
Well that Mito girl is weird...
But I don't understand why you chose them as examples, because they have been recognised for their talents.
>>10845644
Talking shit. You don't like her maybe, lots of us love her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10832616
based.
you would never in a million years have given a shit about your oshi if she streamed without a cute anime girl avatar. believing that shes actually charismatic is coping with being entertained from watching a picture slightly move.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845371
>mistakenly attribute it to them being female
>female vtubers do better in the west.
Those statements aren't contradictory. English speaking female Vtubers have performed better in the west than their near non-existent male counterparts, and it has nothing to do with them being female, but the fact English male Vtubers practically don't exist. Don't cite 2 view indies at me as proof of existence either, we all know the reason they don't get watched is cause they're a 2view indie and nothing to do with sex or gender. It's the correct move from a corporate standpoint of not technically knowing how English speaking male vtubers would perform, but also just contributes to the positive feedback loop of "females perform better in the west" because of the literal lack of males.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845816
Nene, marine and pekora especially are all actually entertaining. If you werent a newfag you would know marine and especially pekora were popular long before they had avatars

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845744
The fuck? I'm a Rushia gachikoi who donates in yen and speaks in Japanese. You fucking look at chat? You listen to the superchat readings? Tell me where all the fucking English speakers are. There's Chinese translations on the member posts that get more replies than the English translations. The discord is like 5~7 people. Where the fuck are all the English live watchers. You should fucking know, shouldn't you? No idea how you interpreted me stating fact as somehow an attack on Rushia or me not liking her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10845678
come on using pekola is like cheating

[Anonymous No.]

>>10846036
I dunno what you're saying. You're prissy because she has more english viewers than Astel, who seems like a large amount because of proportion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
I don't want to fuck a male.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
The old guy seems pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10846149
2/10 replies were from Chinese viewers. I'll grant you this time the Chinese translation, which you didn't put in comparison, got 1/5 the likes and only 4 replies, but that's only because the DeepL fag posted first. Dolphin, who took time on the translation, got less likes and replies than the similar Chinese translation.
Furthermore, there were more fucking Vietnamese viewers during the rushia virus back in summer of last year than there are consistent English live viewers. Are you too much of a newfag to remember that?
Seriously, I have no idea what world you're living in which English viewers are anywhere near a large part of Rushia's chat. Even when she says the "boing boing" there's not a lot of response. The only time she gets English Viewers is during long RE streams and late night Minecraft streams, and you should fucking know this as a Rushia viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10846302
It's just proportionally. Pekora gets more english viewers than Aki but you can read more english in Aki's chat. Because there's lots more JPs talking.
There's no way there was more vietnamese. Just because they're typing a lot, doesn't increase their density.

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>>10846074
Thats why I used her, not my oshi but hard to deny she is the best

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>>10846403
So you admit you are a newfag. I don't care about what your misperception of the facts are. First of all, can I say, that I didn't even claim make the claim that Rushia actually does have less absolute English viewers than Astel, just that she has a chance. Let's go with peak viewers, say Rushia has a 5% English viewership of 15k viewers and Astel gets 50% of 2k viewers. 750 viewers vs 1000 viewers. It really isn't just chat density. The truth is the number of English viewers watching Rushia live at 4am or 5am, is not a large part of her chat. I don't understand why you're in such denial over that. When Rushia interacts with the chat in English, there are a significant portion of people that react back in English with either chinese names or broken english with Japanese names, but the actual count of real viewers from English speaking countries is extremely low. This isn't a fucking pissing contest of who's better, I love Rushia more (fucking duh), it's just a statement of facts. But you're so in denial. You could've made any number of claims in response as opposed to just trying to rewrite the truth. Such as, the number of English fans she has that watch VODs outweighs the number of English fans Astel has. Or anything that isn't just blatantly ignoring the truth. I don't know how you watch Rushia's streams live, watch her superchats live, look at the currency of the superchats, and ever think that Rushia has a large porpotion of native English speaker viewers during her streams. During the recent Haachama cooking collab you might have noticed a severe influx of native English speakers that are never there normally, I wonder why. Yet nobody ever talks in English, like ever, during her livestreams normally. If you at least said something like, almost every single native English speaker lurks or watched her long enough to learn and roleplay as Japanese, I'd be more likely to believe you. Make a proper argument instead of "lol you don't like Rushia".
Lastly, just again, because I can't believe you don't know, yes there was a larger amount of Vietnamese back then then you'll see consistent English speakers in Rushia's chat now. They all fucking disappeared for some reason though, casuals.

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>>10846766
You type huge paragraphs full of garbage.
You have some type of issue with simple observation if you can't understand why it would seem like Rushia doesn't have as many English viewers compared to Astel despite having a shit ton more.

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>>10846912
My god you're not worth wasting time with. At least do me a favor and donate $500 in US dollars next stream, show how much native English speakers support Rushia, I'm broke right now so I can only match you in 500円.

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>>10845825
They do know how they preform tough and it's not good. But yeah what you mentioned is a large factor for sure but I don't think it's fair to say gender itself has absolutely nothing to do with it.

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There's only so much V-Tubers you can watch in a day and it's mostly taken up by Holo.
I sometimes watch Kuzuha or Astel but I prefer my cute Japanese girls.

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>>10848529
I actually agree with you. I was just taking the logical extreme of the other stance because it's easier to meet in the middle with that - Gender does have a factor and nuanced dynamic in play, just not as extreme as the typical narrative makes it out.

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>>10848622
Yeah that's fair enough

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>>10844725
>>10845825

I'm kind of pulling this out of thin air, but couldn't it just be that female anime characters are just universally more appealing to males *and* females as opposed to male ones? I feel with male characters, you have the problem that basic designs or known tropes don't seem to be nearly as appealing as their female couterparts. You can toss out the most generic female character like a JK girl and you'll still be able to get some following while a male one would be simply ignored and forgotten. They either need to appeal to a specific group/aesthetic (f.e. bishounen, fujo-bait) or be unique and charismatic enough to make a name for yourself, which the latter virtually no EN indie has really achieved yet.

Surely having some form of talent or knowledge to share to propell your growth and build your character helps, but it's definetly not mandatory to get high numbers atleast for a short period of time if you play it right, like for example Artemis. People were clearly hyped about her design and flocking to her channels before she even debuted.

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I just want to watch cute girls doing cute stuff without sperging out about an election every fourth year

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>>10842983
The context is he bought a guitar because he saw that Alice was good at guitar after 3 days of practice and got pissed off and wanted to be better than het, then while playing it on stream he randomly said it.

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>>10844213
people dont post on 4chan because they're afraid of identifying themselves

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Every time male vtuber demographics is brought up everyone ignores Japan when that's the country that has the most successful male vtubers. Hell, Maimoto and Yashiro have 90% or more males watching them (I recall Maimoto being 95% but it'a outdated)
Even Kanae has 60% men watching him. Fucking Kanae.

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>>10851031
>in the west
>japan
???

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>>10845366
i mean you'd get popular faster, but saying it's easier to START is just false. literally all you need to do is start making videos or streaming. obs is free for everyone. a contract with a company is NOT easy to get. even niji with their 7000 talents isn't taking EVERYONE. 8 billion people on the planet, theres more people who want to be in than can get in, and always will be. you need to have experience streaming for most corps, and talent, and some semblance of equipment. All you need to stream on your own is a pc that can run OBS. Everything else is extra, people stream without avatars, without mics, without cams, and without games. nothing could be easier.

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>>10851031
even in japan they arent anywhere near as successful as females. it's ironic given that most of the biggest regular youtubers and twitch streamers are dudes, with women lagging way behind in every metric of success

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>>10850406
>>10856724
Ok but why is Nijisanji, who is most popular in domestic Japan, only have one Vtuber with over 1 million subs who is a male.
There's only so much you can handwave as people liking anime girls more than men. The narrative doesn't hold up when put under any hard scrutiny.

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>>10857105
They perform better than women in Nijisanji, a very popular company that treats everyone equally. Outside it, all male vtubers have is
>indie flailing alone
>tiny corporation
>Holostars (lol)
>becoming a vtuber after having an established watch base like utaite and FPS people

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>>10811962
no sex appeal. bam, done, stop asking this same question again and again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10857321
There are popular male streamers from former Upd8 as well.

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>>10811962
I have no interest in men pretending to be cute behind an avatar.

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>>10857105

you know, people keep saying nijisanji is the most popular, but i really feel like that opinion was formed like 4 years ago and never updated after hololive's boom. they are literally everywhere nowadays. crossovers with every major brand, yagoo pitching, posters and shit in millions of storefronts. i get it, they were a small nothing in 2018, but this isnt 2018 anymore. 2020 shook up things immensely

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>>10858408
Nijisanji has far more appearances in storefronts though.

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>>10858408
>the most popular
>most popular in domestic Japan
A specific claim. Hololive is most popular worldwide & outclasses Nijisanji. Nijisanji is most popular domestically in Japan, to which Hololive is now a close rival. If you have any direct metrics that Hololive, without their boost in numbers from kaigai viewers, is now more popular within Japan than Nijisanji is purely domestically, I'd love to hear it so I can update how I talk about things.

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>>10858656
I mean, most talents have said their oversees viewers make up like 25-30% of their viewership. Now I'm not saying this is 100% accurate at all times, but I'm fairly certain they still outpace nijis by a lot if you remove 30%.

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>>10812014
>because the western vtuber fandom is chalk full of self-hating men who hate themselves and their whole gender.
>if there was a magic button that could turn you into a girl, 99% of you faggots would press it

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>>10858792
Well, if any proper number fags want to argue, then I won't dispute that Hololive has taken the number 1 spot from Nijisanji in Japan. It still feels like 2020 to be honest.

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>>10811962
Most viewers prefer to watch girls.
https://youtu.be/lKxQ-KsVS64
This babiniku did data analysis on 3000 indies using https://vtuber-post.com to compare subscriber numbers between girl vs boy vs babi. Turns out on average girls do the best, while boy vtubers are the middle of the pack while dead last are the babis. TLDR ppl want cute anime girls doing cute things.

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>>10812014
>if there was a magic button that could turn you into a girl, 99% of you faggots would press it
If I could be a cute girl, I definitely would

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>>10811962
for me I'd say that there aren't english speaking male vtubers like shien, the dude has so much charisma but since I don't know japanese he's just there most of the times
western male chuubas are either fags, groomers or just not interesting, I tried watching a few indies and they have nothing going for them besides their model, if nijisanij is going to hire males for the next gen I hope they have entertainment value like bobon

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>>10861805
I find it hilarious you call everyone else fags when Shien sits there and cooms like a fujo over 2D men every other day and provides the most bait out of all of Holostars, even just a simple slither.io stream was full of him moaning sexually

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>>10862269
I end up looking over that when he has a nice personality lmao
faggot

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>>10862504
So why is everyone else a faggot but he's fine? And how do you even know his personality if you don't understand Japanese, are you admitting to only knowing him via clips?

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>>10811962
Pretty simple to understand, the type of people who watch female vtubers have zero interest in watching men stream, and the type of people who watch men stream aren't interested in watching an anime character.

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>>10812344
>they'd rather watch women giggling about makeup and pantyhose all day
of course, I love women

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>>10811996
This, specially in latin america
all the fucking male vtubers I know are variants of female animals, femboys or straight up use loli/female avatars, buffed dudes that roleplay as bottom faggots and much more
I wonder why LATAM has no manly fuckers that don't act like UWU cringe shittiers but instead act like proper guys.

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>>10863519
The ones that come from poorer backgrounds are usually more like normal people.

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>>10862659
because he's entertaining, the other's I've seen just have the fact that they're gay going for them retard, learn how to read

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>>10863942
So, you are telling me that if the vtuber is mexican, chilean or argentinian, they are gays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10865122
>watches a gay fujobait vtuber
>but everyone else is gay this one totally isn't

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>>10811962
because male weebs prefer to watch an anime girl, is it that hard to understand?

[Anonymous No.]

Mumei is cotemplating life atm

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>>10863519
Don't worry anon, I'll debut in 2 years even if the trend dies down and I'll be the manliest vtuber with a female avatar.

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>>10812014
This is true but only because I'm ugly and unsuccessful with relationships. If I were a chad, I wouldn't want to become a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10813318
No woman is truly straight. All girls are at least a little bit bi.

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>>10812014
Finally someone fucking says it.

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>>10818047
This is it, and it's so depressing. The western vtuber fandom is full of braindead coomers. They watch girls so they can coom (they don't actually give a shit about the girls as people) and they ignore the boys bc they can't coom to them. What a waste of a creative medium with tons of potential.

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>>10876094
>they don't actually give a shit about the girls as people
They give more of a shit about the vtubers than the vtubers give a shit about their fans.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone here have actual guide on how to make it as a male vtuber beside vague "get good"? i don't really care for what your unsourced opinions of audiences are like. i just want a straight guide of do X and Y and you'll get success Z. or a link to some article that explains how to grow.

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>>10876431
>guide of do X and Y and you'll get success Z
literally doesn't exist even for regular facecam/faceless streamers

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>>10876535
livestreaming has been around since Twitch was originally called Justin.tv 12 years ago. how is that possible? something must exist.

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>>10876552
maybe i misunderstood you. you can look up tips to efficiently manage your channel and network, but a magical formula of "do this and you'll be popular" doesn't exist. if it were that easy there wouldn't be as many flop streamers.

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>>10876431
Reincarnate as a Japanese male with a good singing voice.

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>>10876431
Ask yourself how to make it as a good streamer. Vtubers are just streamers with an avatar. Getting a good avatar that pulls in people to give you a shot is a good first step but after that, its all on you. You can be super entertaining but nobody will know if nobody even tunes in. Networking is very important. Don't care if people say you're leeching. Get clippers, get bots to fake hype/interest. People are more likely to watch a stream if it has some numbers. Fake it will you make it. If you get caught, shitssux sorry bro.
>>10876094
Just look at twitch. There's almost no reason to watch a male vtuber when there are so many top tier traditional male streamers. Female vtubers have less competition with traditional ones. People like to say only girls watch guys but that's false. Most viewers are always guys. Even for Kuzuha and any popular guy on twitch. Girls just arent into this nerd shit as much as guys.

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>>10876705
>Networking is very important
i see this all over the place but what does it actually mean?

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>>10876939
form relationships and interact with other creators, get involved in the community

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>>10876094
>braindead coomers
Considering GFE vtubers and GFE content is more popular than coomer content, you're retarded
What you really want to say is "people care more about a relationship than the art"

And that's a fucking good thing, just because you're such a meek, simpering, whimpering coward that you can't admit it doesn't make it any less true.

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With a few exceptions western male streamers always have a major draw like being top tier at games. They're being watched for how good they are at something not how they look. That's the difference. People will watch a girl because her tits are half out and she likes yoga, guys need to be good at something or incredibly charismatic otherwise other guys will not watch them. The market for watching a guy bumble through SM64 is basically non-existent. It'll work for a cute girl though. That's why male vtubing doesn't work well in the west. Guys don't give a shit what a male streamer looks like. A vtuber avatar doesn't win them any points.

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>>10877249
Who fucking cares what retards think, GFE and coomerbait both limit the medium if every single vtuber is expected to pander to it. The people who want to do that shit can go ahead. The rest of the industry should move on and do whatever they want or they will waste their worrying about the opinions of the lowest common denominator.

[Anonymous No.]

Male vtubers make me cringe
Male streamers can be based and bro tier much more easily.

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>>10878648
At its core you're using a vtuber avatar to look attractive. Pandering to GFE and coom is just the next logical step of that. You don't have to take that step but do realize that many people want and expect it. If you don't take that step you'll need to make up for it in other ways like actually being talented.

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>>10878763
>If you don't take that step you'll need to make up for it in other ways like actually being talented
That's the point, that would be a good thing. Multiple chuubas doing something other than GFE and coombait would encourage the growth of chuubas who do their reps and focus on having other kinds of appeal and skills. Who cares what "many people want and expect". You don't have to cater to the preexisting audience. If your content is interesting and you get lucky enough to be popular, you can carve out a new niche withing the chuuba world. Instead of being expected to conform to those preexisting expectations, the expectations will have to change in the face of innovation. None of that sounds bad to me.

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>>10876094


It's funny how aesthetically disabled puritans always cloak their killjoy tendencies with 'muh higher callings'. You're the death of mediums, not their savior.

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>>10879078
The fact that more and more people only see vtubers as something to masturbate to instead of actually watching the content is the death of a medium

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>>10879129
>how dare things that men enjoy exist

dilate

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>>10879156
Never said you have to eradicate it, but non sexual vtubers are becoming more and more rare.

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>>10879041
>Who cares what "many people want and expect".
People that want success. It is much easier to utilize established norms than to create new ones. That's why you're using a vtuber avatar instead of inventing whatever the next new thing is. You just personally have an issue with GFE and coom content so you decry it. Hypocritically, even, as you're already using a vtuber avatar to pander to attraction. It's good to have streamers that make other content too, but success is success and if pandering gets it then that's a result for them. Especially if they aren't talented in other ways. Attraction is a talent after all, you just might be bad at it.

[Anonymous No.]

I love when actual discussion gets done earlier in the thread and then later the thread turns into recycling the same surface level points discussed better earlier as if they're the second coming of Christ.

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>>10879078
You can have a multiple things, anon. You can have GFE, you can have coom, and you can have other chuubas that are completely different. That's what a healthy industry looks like. Imagine if everyone treated anime like that. Anyone who says "no sexy animu girls allowed" is retarded, but when I'm reading Berserk I'm not there for sexy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10879264
>but when I'm reading Berserk I'm not there for sexy.
It literally has NTR and lots of naked women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014
I dunno, I like not menstruating and being a man just generally seems easier. Plus I'm not ugly

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>>10879197


There are at least three things wrong here; the first thing is the false narrative that 'coombait' is either predominating or was not here from the very beginning in the first place.

However, getting lost in the weeds trying to argue of the exact details of whether such and such does or does not have so and so degrees of incidence would be a distraction, since the real subversive undercurrent is the perception of catering to male interests as a bad thing in the first place; which is alloyed with a complementary subversive undercurrent, that there is some kind of mutual exclusivity at work, that one thing is 'taking away' from other things, rather than being complementary; or that attacking the status of 'base' appeal will afford more 'higher' appeal, when in reality, it causes the downfall of both - as observed in perennial cycles of iconoclasm that outbreak in human civilizations every few centuries or so.

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>>10879197
That's because talent is rare. In the past you had to actually be good at something or physically attractive to make it as a streamer. Now, at least for women, you don't have to be good at anything or physically attractive. You just need to buy an attractive Live2D model and be able to attract men enough to make them part with their money. It's not that talented women are deciding to do that instead of using their talents. It's that there are more women that can do that than there are talented women, which means you will see more of it as vtubing becomes more popular.

[Anonymous No.]

>topic about male vtubers
>conversation immediately switch to "but women" and everyone is sperging out about coomerbait female vtubers
and anons wonder why males aren't even considered in the discussion

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I wonder if people in these threads have even watched more one or two Vtubers yet feel the need to make sweeping generalizations about the industry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10879676
Hard to tell when you're not directly responding to anyone and are instead making a vague statement about the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10879659
Western male vtubers are always crying about women anyway, guess they wandered in here from /wvt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>10879742
I wasted my time responding earlier in the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>Western male vtubers
>>>/trash/42146590

[Anonymous No.]

>>10879959
Name 3

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>>10811962
>Why are male vtubers so upopular here and in the west in general?
Because vtubers subtle thing is egirls and streamer girls in general that are using cute anime avatars and pretending to care about paypigs.
Do not even talk about talents, there are some talented chubas, but you pigs still picking up some trash to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
I’m good at games I can just play them myself unless they’re Pros. Also I have friends so when I want to spend time with bros I can just do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10881171
SEAnig/chinaman, learn english before you post please.

[Anonymous No.]

How is Kuzuha so popular anyways? He's the only male to ever exceed 1mil. Doesn't he have the song/cover with the most views out of any chuuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10882408
He is entertaining. He wasn't even the best performer when he debuted, Kanae was doing better than him within their group, but he first blew up big during NijiARK. It was even recently the anniversary of his ARK tribe, that shit was super popular. So more and more people watched him and liked what they saw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962
Because it's either a faggot with a bishounen avatar copying what w*men do or pic related
I prefer the latter more

[Anonymous No.]

>>10844470
Yeah but I'm ugly as sin with a nice voice. Why would I do regular streams?

[Anonymous No.]

>>10812014

>*if there was a magic button that could turn you into a girl, 42% of you faggots would press it

[Anonymous No.]

>>10811962

Different target audience and appeal. I dont want to fuck male youtubers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>10883943
faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>10880920
PrivateLexi
Paperbag
TV

[Anonymous No.]

>>10883880
>42% of you faggots would press it
so 99% of /vt/, the math checks out.

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>>10844860
>Also I'm fed up with any sort of premise that a lot of the hololive girls aren't in fact truly special.
There's like, 5 or so that are anything special while the rest of middle of the road and are carried by the brand as opposed to their own quality. Desu Gen 5 is nothing special and this comes from someone that loves Botan and Nene, I can just admit that hags and genki idols aren't a scarce thing if you know where to look.

[Anonymous No.]

The West worships women. Ironically enough they're seen as far less untouchable in Eastern regions due to sjw shit not being as much of a thing so women are treated as actual people for the most part.