Vtubers are too saturated right now

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Look at all these literal nobodies

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>all those SEA tags

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>>10784685
everything everywhere is saturated. amazon has millions of self published books read by nobody, there are about 10000x more face streamers than vtubers with 0 views, and public access tv used to be a thing remember.
people will put thousands of hours and all disposable income they have into their passions, and never see even a single minute of success. sad!

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>>10784685
>Most of them have bad designs and will never be clicked even once
>The rest are full of males and mtf voices which cause many bounces, debuffing other indies
How can new vtubers even cope with the staggering amount of top quality competition?

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>>10784685
>ADHD
>Depression
>LGBTQWERTY
Really? Those are viable enough as tags?

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>>10784861
Consider the source.

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>>10784861
Best part is that when twitch added these tags people started using them to have automated botnets target alphabets people and non white streamers and shit up their chat with slurs. And twitch couldn't do anything about it, those tags effectively made it easier to troll SJWs.

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>>10784685
>too saturated
Vtubers industry is small scale compared to TV and film industry. They are more TV show and film in US alone compared to Vtubers, twitchter and vtweeters worldwide combined. If anything they are not enough.

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>>10784797
Innovation. I mean easier said than done no shit. Think about it though, no ones done a proper IRL stream with a vtuber avatar walking through a forest or something idfk. Yeah that kind of technology is pretty damn outlandish at the moment, but technology moves fast.

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>>10784685
I just want a skunk girl v-tuber who has her chat pay for fart sounds and acts like it's her farting

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>>10784685
Have you seen how many IRL streamers there are that have those kinds of numbers? Besides, why does "oversaturation" even matter?

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>>10784685
This screenshot doesn't do service to your point, next time use something like that

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>>10784685
10 viewers is very good, they already got an actual audience and probably some chat messages to read. It's like the top 1% easily.
Check >>10785382 for the actual nobodies.

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I wonder how badly these 2views want to make it.

Most regular streams who get single digit viewers just do it as a hobby and aren't delusional enough to expect to blow up in popularity.

Saviorfags should make a general thread for viewbombing random streamers chosen through whatever means, it'd be funny to see their reactions to a sudden 100 viewer increase

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>>10784685
Vtubers aren't saturated enough. I won't rest until every single streamer has turned 2D.

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>>10784741
The only winning move is not to play

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>>10785469
Based and Nijisanjipilled. Soon the Nijisanjification will finally complete.

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>>10786088
>the year 2027
>how do you guys get into nijisanji? i don't know how to keep up with 2434 different livers...

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>>10785382
>all of them are dudes
Heh.

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>>10784685
One of those is just a real black guy

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>>10786341
Just watch me, dude. Don't forget to buy Merch and mirin my Apex skills.

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My Oshi is pushing for twitch partnership this month, I hope she gets it. She is hitting the requirements but apparently sometimes people just get denied anyway.

It's a hard market to break through, but she's really good, and she has a good mindset for it. Ganbate Milkyqueen

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>>10785260
This is the real answer. Oversaturation is a meme. It doesn't matter how many 2views there already are, if you're entertaining then you'll start getting views.

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>>10784685
All those people who say the popular vtubers are only doing it for the money, aren't these the people to go and watch? Just find someone who's been at these numbers for 6 months or more, they clearly haven't made shit

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>>10786717
>if you're entertaining then you'll start getting views.
You hardly be more wrong. It doesn't matter if you're entertaining if no one get to know about it.
Success is mostly if not all about previous networking and luck, being good helps keeping the new viewers, but those have to come from somewhere. Not to mention it's much harder being entertaining as a streamer if there is no chat, making it a vicious cycle.

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>>10785382
>1views
kusa

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>>10787753
Should be common knowledge, many big corpo girls were actualy nobodies before doing the same thing.

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>>10787753
Should be common knowledge, my oshi is talented and has no views.

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>>10787753
Luck is indeed a factor that is out of your control for the most part, but it shouldn't be that hard for some of these 1 views to interact among themselves and get a small friend group going. That should help give them someone to talk to. After that they can try talking to a 5 view and pop into the chat of a 10 view or something. The reason most of these people have these numbers is likely because streaming is just a hobby for them and they have no intention/interest in growing, but for those that want to achieve more they shouldn't let "oversaturation" be an excuse.

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>>10788187
True enough.

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>>10785128
UNREALGRL is a skunk girl. Not sure if she has fart sound effects though.

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>>10784741
This.
Entertainment itself is saturated. Most people only consume one or two pieces of entertainment with occasional dabbings in things that get really popular, but few people ever actually sit down and spend all of their time on that. To watch a streamer, you have to set aside a four or five hour block of time where you do nothing except watch that streamer. Very few people have four or five hours to just sit down and do nothing except watch a streamer except kids, and kids don't have the same drive to watch a vtuber because of them having a cute anime model, that's entirely the realm of fat otakus.

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>>10785124
Could be easy to do with one of the selfie-rig backpacks like pic related. Mount your phone to it with the vtuber software, aim it at your face, and then just go for a walk someplace. The illusion would be ruined the second you came to any kind of place where you had to take it off or had to bend over or stick your hands out in front of the camera.

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it was already saturated in 2018. Streaming videogames is just too easy as content and having an expensive avatar wont change anything. Go look at the fortnite streaming list to see how saturation really looks

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>>10792203
>All those literal kids thinking they're going to get big by screaming after every death like their god Pewdiepie
sad

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>>10785422
Eh i'll say top 10%, top 1% would be getting 3 digits consistently

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when will you morons figure out that streamers have been saturated for the better part of a decade now and this is nothing new

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>>10784685
If I ever started streaming, I would want it to be like this. No more than 100 viewers. Just my shitty avatar and a bunch of retards to talk to.

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only if you watch twitch. youtube still has the best vtubers and the selection is smaller

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the entire entertainment industry has been oversaturated for a long time now. streaming, video editing, self-published books, movies, music, wannabe comedians, podcasts, and so on. everyone wants to be some sort of entertainer because on paper it's easy.

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>>10784685
Bargain bin vtubers

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>>10784685
>10 viewers
I'd say that vtubers on Twitch might actually be doing better than most "traditional" facecam streamers lol

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>>10792711
>the selection is smaller
... ok. Whatever you say. The only difference is you're too retarded to be able to search Vtubers on youtube as opposed to simply hit a Vtuber tag on Twitch, so you don't know how many more Vtubers there are on Youtube.

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>>10784685
Jesus those views. Why didn't they just go to Nijisanji or Hololive? Those companies have tons of vtubers with excellent numbers.

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>>10793285
>Just go to Nijisanji or Hololive
kek

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>>10792553
b..but they have animated avatars this time anon, it's different!

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The market will crash soon.

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>>10792606
100-200 is peak comfy, everyone somewhat knows each other, chat has enough material for the streamer to bounce off of, but not enough to be unreadable

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>>10795932
Damn, elon back at it again huh

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>>10795932
The bubble expanded pretty quickly, in retrospect.

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>>10792742
For me it's not the easiness, i just don't want to be a wagie

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>>10784685
>Vtubers are too saturated right now
That's a 'them' problem not an 'our' problem. Compete or be irrelevant.

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>>10784797
Throw down like a 8 grand for a top line model with an over-the top look, like Cimra, or design one yourself like Juniper. Even though they're both basically shit tier normie Twitch streamers the model was enough to breakthrough and get a fanbase and a clique of orbiters to collab with.

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>>10793285
Anon, they can't take everyone in, people even already complain about too many Nijis

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>>10787915
She's GMI one day anon

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>saturated
>hundreds of 0 views
?
if they have 0 views what's the problem? they're not taking any viewers out of the viewer pool. how does the existence of hundreds of ngmi impact you if you're a decent streamer?

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>>10793190
cope

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>>10793190
>you're too retarded to be able to search Vtubers on youtube
anon, hate to break it to you, but that's most of the viewer base. that's like 99.99% of all normie audiences. which you need as a vtuber if you want to "make it" being weirdly arrogant about how viewers can't search for vtubers doesn't make anyone want to tune into you any more.

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>>10784861
>my mental illness is my personality
If you automatically filter everyone with those attention whoring mental illness tags, you'll have a much better vtuber experience.

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>>10784861
they're meme tags and not even the twitch algorithm uses them.

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>>10792491
>Stats pulled together by Zach Bussey, show that in the last 90 days, if any streamer (affiliate/partner or not) averaged more than six viewers, then they were in the top 6.7% of the entire site.

https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/new-twitch-stats-reveal-how-few-viewers-are-needed-to-be-a-top-streamer-1527638/

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>>10788187
>After that they can try talking to a 5 view and pop into the chat of a 10 view or something.
How exactly does this work? Are you suggesting people just fake being friends with eachother to try and leech off of one another's growth?

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>>10784685
Still better than anything that comes from Holoshit

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>>10791596
even otakus themselves stopped watching Anime in favor of vtubers. Anime has been oversaturated, most with Isekai trash but still.

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What's wrong with people doing whatever they want with their own time? You might as well say sports is too saturated when kids kick a soccer ball around in the backyard or playing music is too saturated when every high school has a band. Those who are actually good and actively moves toward the top are much more likely to get there than some guys randomly blabbering the latest memes into a mic while playing a game.

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>>10807283
>What's wrong with people doing whatever they want with their own time?
nothing. but the unspoken premise is that chuubas who get into streaming are doing it to "make it". if you're just doing this as a fun hobby, then this discussion doesn't apply to you at all. but then there would be no discussion to have.

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>>10806652
Yes. I mean it worked for hololive. They leeched off Nijisanji and then ignored them after they got popular. Look at Miko and Shiba.

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>>10807380
Fubuki still collab with Niji here and there, though

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>>10785382
I can groo- I mean save them...

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>>10807283
>playing a sport for fun is the same as streaming on a platform to make money
anon-chama...

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>>10806652
They don't have to fake it necessarily, they can find people that they genuinely like and become friends with them.

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>>10807653
Isn't it an assumption that all of them are doing this for money?

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>>10807653
>implying that you can read minds and know that whoever posts videos definitely must want to make money because the platform has the option to monetize
>"they can't simply be making videos just to express themselves like how humans make songs and draw art... right?? it can't be true..."

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>>10807653
>to make money
Not everyone streams to make money though? Maybe they just want their friends to see what they are playing.

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>>10807852
>Not everyone streams to make money though? Maybe they just want their friends to see what they are playing.
then this discussion doesn't apply to them at all. so why are you doing here talking as if this applies to them?

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>>10808179
>so why are you doing here talking as if this applies to them?
>why are you doing here talking
English reps...

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>>10808775
>has no response
>oh shit, better insult them
>uh- uh uhhh
>ENGLISH REPS
>lol gottem
reading comprehension reps anon. it's already been agreed upon that there's nothing wrong with streaming if you're only doing this as a hobby. but if you're only doing this as a hobby, it doesn't matter if the field is saturated or not. so again, this discussion doesn't apply.

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>>10784741
This desu. Why put any effort into anything? You'll just be part of the sea of trash.

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>>10784741
>people will put thousands of hours and all disposable income they have into their passions, and never see even a single minute of success. sad!

Pretty much, people need to understand that they might have to grind out their passion projects for years before they make anything close to minimum wage, and even then it's still not guaranteed at all.

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>>10784685
>Twitch
LMAO

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>>10784685
>Twitch

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>>10809597
>>10809648
Hi Susan!

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>>10807814
>>10807837
malding indies spotted

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>/vt/ - Virtual YouTubers
This thread is off-topic.

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>>10809777
>VTubers don't necessarily need to be on Youtube of course, they can be on Twitch, Niconico, Bilibili, or any other platform.

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>>10807267
Isekai is such a fucking trash concept. It was a cool idea at first but now it's so fucking lame, it's like making a generic brown and bloom FPS back in 2012.

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>>10791596
Do people actually spend full attention when watching vtubers? I usually just have them on the side monitor on the background while doing work, much like having the TV on in the background.

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>>10807283
The thing is that while sports can be entertainment for an audience, they don't have to, the only thing a bunch of kids need to enjoy basketball is a ball and a court. If literally no one is watching your stream there's no much of a point to it, you may as well just play a game on your own

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>>10811440
I only really watch small indies during lunch to simulate eating with a gf

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>>10784685
I'm assuming most of them are streaming for fun.

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>>10785382
>0 views

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>>10784685
a lot streamers aren't necessarily trying to "make it". It'd be a cool perk, but I think the main benefit is playing games with company.

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>>10784685
They were too saturated a year ago

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>>10795932
yeah, because of BofA

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>>10811440
Depends really, I' not gonna play games when Kiara is doing zatsudan but I really doubt most people stay on the same page during still image karaokes

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>>10784685
Christ, none of them even break 20 views.

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>>10804525
I get like 3-5 viewer and Twitchtracker tells me I’m top 5% so yea lmao. People don’t realize how top-heavy streaming actually is. The top 10 streams usually account for like 1/3 of all Twitch viewers at any given time.

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>>10796414
But tell me, how many actually make there anon...

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>>10785382
>[ES] A ver si hago 12 horas despierto
>[Apex] Apex Legends is a fun game
>Road to 300. Let's eat some food
>Watch suck in blender
My sides, anon

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>>10784685
Don't bully my 10views pls

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>>10800007
I wasn't trying to be arrogant, I don't really care whether someone uses Twitch or Youtube, nor do I think it being harder to search for Vtubers on Youtube is a good thing; just was correcting that "the selection is smaller", which is flat out wrong. Even if the 0-9 views on Youtube will never be discovered, never recommended by the algorithm, and near impossible to search, they do outnumber the twitch Vtubers. Don't care about if anyone views this as a good or bad thing, just a matter of fact.

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>>10820227
>>10800007
Honestly as much as people here hate Twitch, discoverability there is still miles ahead of Youtube for small streamers. Doesn't mean it's magic that will bring you people for nothing, but it gives you much more tools and especially if you target a very specific niche, people often check game categories and will see you as one of the only people streaming this.

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>>10784685
>LGBTQIASDFGHIJKLMNOPWXYZ

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>>10821220
Yeah, discoverability on youtube really sucks. When I was looking for streams to learn Japanese before the Vtuber boom, the easiest way was just using the twitch "Japanese" tag and searching through no views for someone comfy.