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These Edibles Ain't Shit Edition

Welcome to VShojo+! A thread to discuss VShojo, and any vtubers frequently associated with them.

Nothing's happened since the last thread which is fine because it seems like nothing else is going to be planned for the rest of the day! Turns out that Mel's Live2D debut is going to be more of an all-day thing so the streams planned for later tonight have been canceled to support Melly as she comes to terms with losing one of her dimensions. That's about all there is to say so remember to do what you can to keep the thread comfy by ignoring bait, and being excellent to each other.

VShojo is:
Nyan - https://www.twitch.tv/nyanners
Silver - https://www.twitch.tv/silvervale
Froot - https://www.twitch.tv/apricot
Mouse - https://www.twitch.tv/ironmouse
Zen - https://www.twitch.tv/zentreya
Mel - https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody
Hime - https://www.twitch.tv/hajime
Vei - https://www.twitch.tv/veibae

Previous thread: >>10306559

>> No.10320550
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Some news!

Froot implied she will be collabing with Hime all next week!

>> No.10320580

>>10320550
>implied

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>>10320550

>> No.10320589

made some OC animation for nyanners today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt3Dvz8IKxE
dont have any experience with animation, but i had fun anyway.

>> No.10320592

>>10320550
>Hime
who?

>> No.10320625

>>10320550
>hime

>> No.10320700

>>10320550
Whome?

>> No.10320713

>>10320589
really cute

>> No.10320725

>>10320700
>Whome?
>>10320625
>>hime
>>10320580
>>implied

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>>10320550

>> No.10320878

I am joking but if Hime really streams that would be awesome.
I want to see more of her.

>> No.10320880

>>10320725
>>>10320700
>>Whome?
>>>10320625
>>>hime
>>>10320580
>>>implied

>> No.10320960

Does mel live alone? I keep hearing someone else's voice in the background

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mfw Mel said the thing

>> No.10320990

>>10320960
Look behind you, anon.

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>>10320990

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>>10320792

>> No.10321420

>>10320960
Uknown, there’s been some things that have happened that would indicate that there was another person in the room. I think she has her stream playing back to her as well.

>> No.10321458

>9000 subs is $22,500.00 a month
jesus.

>> No.10321494

>>10321458
I wish that were me.

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I was busy so I made the last thread a tiny bit earlier than normal and then didn't do the normal routine for a new thread here but I'm back so here we go first some art

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a plague moose

>> No.10321616

>>10321458
Whats even scarier is thats small potatoes compared to the ones raking in the multi-million sponsor deals.

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>>10320960
Oh no ! what if the girl that literally did sex work is not ALONE?!

>> No.10321759

>>10321458
Closer to $31k for Mel since she's popular enough to demand the 70% cut.

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>> No.10321793

>>10320589
cute!

>> No.10321794

What's going on with Melly? I thought she was doing a mediashare, but she just stopped part way through

>> No.10321801

>>10320592
whaaaaeeeeuuuuuu

>> No.10321813

>>10321458
Less than that realistically but still a shit ton.

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>> No.10321964

>>10321873
i saw zone in her twitter replies
the flash better be in the works

>> No.10322018

>>10321729
Depending on how much stock you're willing to put into Digi's words, it's already known that she isn't.

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>>10321873

>> No.10322409

Looks like Zen is getting goblin'd

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>>10321234

>> No.10322471

>>10322426
nice anon

>> No.10322575

I wonder if theres a universe where Nyan decided to be a standup comedian instead of a vtuber.

>> No.10322595

Had anyone else noticed that Nyan sounds a lot like Vei when she gets angry at a game?

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>>10321873
God, imagine Nyan stepping on your face with pure contempt on her face and getting physically ill from how much you enjoy it, how horrible would that be haha

>> No.10322729

>>10322595
>>10322575
is she doing a secret stream or something?
random time to bring her up

>> No.10322751

Oh yeah this is happening
https://twitter.com/NyanNyanners/status/1441544725262004228

>> No.10322829

So what do you guys think of Mel's 2D model?
At first i had my doubts , but after watching this stream,
i think it looks pretty decent

>> No.10322854

>>10322595
Vei's been rubbing off to her

>> No.10322873

>>10322729
No secret stream as far as I can see. Probably just bringing it up because she has malded before.

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Anyway schedule time. Currently live:

Mel - Still doing her subathon. But she sounds like she's straining herself and is taking a short break now. Will either cut it short or come back refreshed. https://www.twitch.tv/projektmelody

And for later? Not anything really only a technical one. The Kizuna Ai Oculus Venues event is is soon and Nyan said she'll be there I don't know anything beyond that cause it doesn't really interest me personally but she's excited and mentioned something about being able in the audience or something I don't know how this works. So for tomorrow's schedule:

Vei - Valheim and Death Stranding. Much as I want to see her play Death Stranding I get the feeling it's gonna be another 80/20 stream in Valheim's favor.
Silver? - This one's pure speculation on my part but her schedule for the weekend is empty and since she canceled today's stream I could see her trying to make up for it and playing Psychonauts 2 tomorrow. Could be 100% cope on my end but I can see it happening.
Zen? - Don't know if the move is finished yet. So a firm maybe.
Froot? - Despite all the memeing the plan was still to do Dead Space over the weekends so even if she didn't do it last week I'm still putting her as a maybe for tomorrow.

Nyan is off Saturdays. Mouse normally streams but this week is doing Patreon meetup stuff all weekend. Silver's off all weekend as well (unless my speculation comes true) and Hime is currently trying to get with the man of her dreams after being cursed by an octopus witch to lose her voice.

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Full body, featuring naked thights

>> No.10322938

>>10322729
Honestly just watching a clip and thinking how much she likes doing "bits", and it's a passing thought I've had a couple of times.

She should just like, just try writing down about an hour or twos worth of material and take a crack at it on stream some time, nyandup stream.

>> No.10322963

>>10322729
In just watching the end of her ffx vod where she gets angry at Seymore.

>> No.10323058

>>10322595
Lots of them have picked up Vei's approving "mm-mm-mm" thing

>> No.10323137

>>10322891
https://twitter.com/NyanNyanners/status/1441544725262004228
this is happening for Nyan

>> No.10323217

>>10322893
I'd like to be featuring Mel's naked thighs, if you know what I mean.

>> No.10323296

>>10320589
Very nice anon.

>> No.10323339

Don't think Mel's gonna make it to her planned 12 hours. She's 7 hours in and is sounding pretty dead.

>> No.10323364

>>10322829
There's some tracking scuff to be sorted out, but other than that I think it looks really good

>> No.10323412

>>10322891
Honestly it's cute that everyone decided to let Mel have her day, I just remember Silver saying she might do something after Mel's stream, but probably didn't predict it to run for 7+ hours.

>> No.10323434

I cant believe Mousey is dead...

>> No.10323439

>>10320589
Wait, YOU made that?
Holy shit, looks nice. Its really, really good, great job.

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>>10322854

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>>10320589

>> No.10323518

You know, I suddenly thought that Mel's outfit looks inspired by the Major's Stand alone complex (s2) outfit

>> No.10323586

>>10323518
Matoko Kusanagi inspiring Mel? Poppycock.

>> No.10323695

Zen's having the goblins it seems.

>> No.10323702

>>10323339
This was an unfortunate day for illness/allergies
Her voice is struggling

It's still already her longest stream ever, right?

>> No.10323729

>>10323339
Mel has some pretty bad luck sometimes. This the most sick I've ever heard her and it's on the same day as her 12 hr 2d debut

>> No.10323781

>>10323518
Her character design is based off of the major, megumin and neptunia

>> No.10323818

>>10323702
Sorta. It's her longest Twitch stream now as her birthday was a little over 6 hours long but she streamed on CB right before Twitch that day for another few hours so it was altogether like 8-9 full hours of streaming across 2 sites.

>> No.10323836

>>10323702
She's been sick and or full of allergies all week. She cancelled her stream Monday due to sore throat issues. Poor thing is either really sick or took one too many dildos down the throat. Or both.

>> No.10323868

>>10323695
Water is wet.

>> No.10323879

>>10322829
its good save for the mouth tracking but i am sure that will get iron'ed out soon.

>> No.10324009

I have missed out almost 2 months, been busy. Whatd i miss, veibae new 3d? Mouseys 3d demon form? And snuffy got a new model, thoughts on that?

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>>10324009
>veibae new 3d

>> No.10324085

>>10323836
She admitted that stream was cancelled because during the private stream she was shoving a leather paddle down her throat and choking on it without lube. Don't think she had allergies yet cus she sounded fine Tuesday

>> No.10324123

>>10324009
How do you vanish for 2 months what the fuck

>> No.10324347

>>10324009
dungeons and dragons....
military?

>> No.10324396

>>10324331
>>10324347
How the fuck did this happen

>> No.10324428

>>10324396
The same quick reply box was still there when I posted both of them....
Don't ask me how it fucked up...

>> No.10324567

>>10324009
>snuffy got a new model, thoughts on that?


SEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX TIIIITS

>> No.10324579

>>10324009
The biggest single thing is the end of DND under less than ideal circumstances. Google the DM's name for more. Other than that you can go to the archive, search "vshojo+" in the subject field and read OP's summaries of notable events and just keep going back until you get to an OP you recognize or ask a question if there's anything specific.

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>>10324009
>snuffy got a new model, thoughts on that
TITS

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>>10320416
>tfw your parents' churchy friends consider devotion to vtubers idolatry

>> No.10324624

>>10322829
It sure is a 2D model. Kinda flat, design is "meh", not a fan of her spazzing out all over the screen because it doesn't have any actual emotes, her animations don't quite cut it after knowing what her actual body language is like. 6/10, looking forward to Mel doing like Zen and not using it anymore once VShojo moves onto some other gimmick to force onto its talent.

>>10322891
Silver pushed up her monthly VRchat meetups that she normally has on the final weekend of the month to last week. She probably has some IRL stuff going on so I doubt we'll see her until Tuesday.

>> No.10324627

>>10324009
You haven't actually missed a shit ton. Lots of cool merch, a lot of the girls taking vacations and badly needed breaks, Mousey has had plasma issues, Silver and Mel both have flat models now, VShojo opened up "open auditions" for new members, otherwise a lot of good times and bad times and boring times.

>> No.10324658

mel hit 9.5k that means melware twitch stream boys!!!!

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We Malware tiem nao!

>> No.10324673

>>10324009
Nyanners did a twitlonger about how lilypichu is an asian supremacist.

>> No.10324680

>>10324623
hello, snuffyposter

>> No.10324683

>>10324627
>>10324579
Oh yeah, that happened too didn't it. Hard to know since it was such a minor thing that didn't fuck the place up for a while.

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>>10324623
Tell them you only watch Christian vtubers

>> No.10324687

>>10324591
I still think her first "raccoon" model was her best one. I won't say "no" to tits, but all of her revisions have just been attempts at fixing what was never broken.

>> No.10324710

>>10322893
Gross. Sharp knees. 2/10. Would not bang.

>> No.10324712

>>10324347
Err

>> No.10324807

>>10324039
What?

>> No.10324835

will mouse stream tonight?

>> No.10324900

>>10324835
doesnt seem like it

>> No.10324907

>>10324687
I concur

>> No.10324912

for those with their tab game strong, da moose is at takas bar.

>> No.10324934

>>10324680
Hi.

>>10324684
But I don't think Hime streams anymore.

>> No.10325003

>>10324934
>He doesn't know Abigail

>> No.10325004

>>10324687
i mean i like the original the most too but it's not about fixing anything it's just her making all the cool ideas she has real
i'd rather her be inspired and having fun (which is abundantly clear with the latest model) than sticking to the model i personally like

>> No.10325026

>>10324912
oh god, why didn't you warn me that cimrai was there too

>> No.10325029

>>10324835
Cancelled on her Discord due to scheduling conflicts. I assume they're all staying off line so Mel can have all the attention with her 12 hour stream, but what's weird is Mousey knew about this and said Wednesday that Mel would be going earlier and she was going to be on later after she was done, so I don't know what changed. Maybe there was a VShojo meeting or something else going on behind scenes and Mel's stream just gives them all a good excuse to take the day off. I know Mouse would prefer streaming, so whatever it is is important to her.

>> No.10325039

>>10324912
Mim is cute

>> No.10325192
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why is my wife running from stream to stream trying to get away from me in chat....?

>> No.10325209

Mel busted 10k. Never underestimate simps, especially ones she knows dumps thousands on her on CB.

>> No.10325235

>There are other places to eat other than Tim Hortons
-Moose.

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>>10325192
Leave my wife alone!

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Mel just teased something. She made the jacket go down one arm. I don't know if that means this also has NSFW capabilities or if she's just fucking around

>> No.10325379

>>10325318
Considering her main job? It would be more surprising it doesn't have those capabilities.

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>>10320416
Mel horny for Vei

https://clips.twitch.tv/EvilStylishWrenchBuddhaBar-DaHiBDhgPS6XjP1U

>> No.10325422

>>10322829
Two dimensions gets two stars. Like the other anon said, the only redeeming quality is knowing it will be trashed in a couple weeks.

>> No.10325468

I'm starting to think that vyugen is a whole ass vsho gen. Not a complaint, just interesting.

>> No.10325508

>>10325029
Silver talked about it on stream, Mel just changed her mind. Nothing big, she just decided to stream earlier.

>> No.10325521

>>10325468
Literally unrelated

>> No.10325566

>>10325407
It's kind annoying how Vei keeps doing all this stuff with the other girls but Silver keeps up the charade of Vei "being her wife" when she was the one reminding people of the Kayfabe behind the thing last year. And Silver has way better chemistry with literally everyone she collabs with besides Vei anyway.

>> No.10325572

>>10325521
>wasn't in the last thread
report that post than you stupid tourist

>> No.10325595

>>10325468
Ehh, it's a rrat for sure. But a realistic one.

>> No.10325602

>>10325468
If they were a part of VShojo, Vshojo would have said it. You don't make a whole team of streamers as an "underground" group of yours. And if you do, that's mighty head-assed of you.

>> No.10325645

>>10325572
I mean vyugen and vshojo pretty much unrelated to each other. They only share the "V" logo.
Also, they are not entertainment focused, they focused on art.

>> No.10325661

>>10324835
She'll show up on Connor's stream

>> No.10325687

>>10325602
Might be a sub group type of thing. The evidence is circumstantial and anecdotal, who knows until tomorrow I guess.

>> No.10325699

>>10325645
Ah, gotcha
>>10311982
Keep posting, ESL-chama

>> No.10325742

>>10325407
If Vshojo was a harem anime, Vei would be the protaganist.

>> No.10325832

Mel won’t be ditching it in 2 weeks. Shes wanted 2d for over a year because she wants to do more twitch streams.

>> No.10325917

>>10325832
non-CB chads keep wining

>> No.10325933

>>10325832
I'd imagine she wouldn't ditch it simply because she doesn't have to spend 30+ minutes setting up the 3d.

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>Friday at the Weary 101

>> No.10326031

>>10325983
My wife is especially cute today

>> No.10326049

>>10325933
Yeah, and she won’t wear down her gear, theres a reason she rarely used hands on twitch. Am0k8

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>>10326031
You mean my wife!

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>>10326051
Yes, MY wife.

>> No.10326139

>>10326031
but anon, my wife is always cute.

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>>10326070
You mean MY wife, ay?

>> No.10326173

>>10326051
Your wife quit streaming to simp for nagzz

>> No.10326178

>>10325832
Real chads enjoy both 2D and 3D Mel
Honestly changes like this usually trigger my autism but it's different with Mel, cus the 3D will still be there on CB even if she never uses it on twitch

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>>10326144
YES, I mean "my wife".

>> No.10326229

>>10326178
and its still the same adorkable cinnamon bun just different pixels.

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>>10326194
ooohhh, you mean MY WIFE, bud?

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I now claim Haruka as my wife.

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>>10326300
Shuddup

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>>10326300
why don't ya give your balls a tug there, ya titfucker?

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>>10326317
Consider your wife stolen

>> No.10326396

>>10324623
If you don't worship idols then I feel sorry for you son.

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As Haruka’s husband, I DEMAND you stop speaking of her at once

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>>10326401
>phone poster
My wife would not judge, but I will!

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>>10326373
Fat chance.

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>>10326502

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>>10320416
I was cybering with my girl and accidentally finished on my Mousey t shirt. Kms.

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10326679

>>10326431
We are on a date getting drinks and thus I can’t post from home

>> No.10326736
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>>10326662
No. You must wallow in your post nut shame.

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What did zen learn that ruined her year and whose ass do I have to kick to unruin it?

>> No.10326799

>>10326755
No idea. With Zen it is hard to know if it is something in her life or online that is causing this goblin storm right now. Could be about a thousand things none of which I care to speculate on.

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>>10326755
Probably family related.
I dont really want to know, anyway.

>> No.10326816

>>10326755
Every vtuber is an introvert and the main reason we don't see more collabs is because they're all too scared to ask each other. Zen likes collabing and hates being the one who always has to ask because it makes her feel unwanted since nobody comes to her for it. At least that's my take.

>> No.10326848

>>10322829
Honestly, not with the $22,000 sub goal. Not bad, but really? Isn’t this sort of a downgrade? Why are we celebrating exactly? What do we get from this? Melody does an extremely simple thing and removes her 3D hair as a joke?

>> No.10326866

Valiant effort on Mel's part. She just said she's finishing soon at just short of 9 hours. I didn't think she'd last much more after 7 after seeing how slowed down she was at 6 but she put it an admirable effort.

>> No.10326881

>>10326755
my rrat: she's just drunk and overthinking things. She says this is the hardest day of the year for her, so it could be the anniversary of her mother's death

>> No.10326916

>>10322829
I like 3d way more but I am fine with the 2d as long as it is not permanent replacement.

>> No.10327027

>>10326881
Tweet says that she just learned something so it could be compounded by that sort of thing but it's not likely an anniversary of sorts. No idea what it could be given Zen's privacy but if I have to guess at literally anything it would be something related to the move given how long she's been looking forward to it and how she needed the extra space.

>> No.10327075

>>10326848
>What do we get from this
You? Who the fuck cares?

>> No.10327100

>>10326755
She learned the hard way that you can't trust a fart

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Why're they like this, bros?

>> No.10327420

>>10327364
A mentally stable person wouldn't pretend to be a anime girl online

>> No.10327504

>>10327420
>mentally stable
>girl
said absolutely no one ever, not even in the recordings of ancient civilizations

>> No.10327550

mouse is in monke's chat, is she gonna join him on stream?

>> No.10327606

>>10327550
Yes. They said so in their last stream and Connor confirmed it.

>> No.10327632

Seems like there was someone she wanted collab with, but got looked over in favor of someone else in vshojo. Probably someone in that disaster of a collab she put together with nijien approached froot or vei or something.

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>"I wish peeps would reach out to collab with me more"
>None of the other 7 reply to the tweet
>"I will delete this tweet probably later cause I'm just crying about shit"
wow none of the girls actually care about Zen, huh?

>> No.10327796

>>10327364
Fans simp for attention so you can't trust what they say

>> No.10327873

>>10327364
Because they're actively looking for those comments.
When you try to improve (and I'm assuming they do, if they want to pay bills with streaming) what you'll be doing is looking for critique. This heuristic kinda works when you're involved with a small social group because an individual critique is proportionally more significant. But this heuristic fails when you're involved with a huge parasocial group - you're treating a critique of one person in a group of 1000 people the same way as a critique of one person in a group of 10 people.
It seems easy to say "just ignore some random rats lol" but people aren't programmable robots, we operate with intuitions and we just don't have intuitions to navigate through such crowds.
It would be hard for you even if you were a certain youtube gremling with 10 years of experience, literally raised in such an environment and learning this shit since childhood

>>10327420
And why the fuck not?

>> No.10327895

I'm not trying to start anything but it's pretty cool to see another Vshojo break past 10k subs. As far as I know, Mouse, Nyan, Vei, Silver, and now Melody have achieved this, but does anyone know if Zen has broken past 10k too? Not trying to compare I just genuinely can't remember.

>> No.10327896

Who did the art for Melody's L2D?

>> No.10327928

>>10326848
buddy, we both know you didn't gift a single sub

>> No.10327938

>>10327632
I'll throw my rat into the pit - there's a collab with some familiar faces happening at Takahata's right now

>> No.10327943

>>10327796
and shitters shit for (You)s

>> No.10327950

>>10327896
hen-tie

>> No.10327987

Did Melody mention her artist and rigger?

>> No.10328075

>>10327895
She has not. The closest chat has gotten is around 8k I think and she basically told them to knock it off.

>> No.10328136

>>10326755
Zen wasn't very close with her mom (and bad relations at that), so there's probably a lot of buried knowledge that has yet to be uncovered.

>> No.10328155

>>10327938
Yeah, Zen tends to get left out of the Vshojo collabs even more than Silver does these days. There was a big to-do last year because there was an Among Us collab and there was a kerfuffle over Zen's invitation, not helped by Bunny joining in at the last minute.

>> No.10328175

>>10327987
The rigger is Brian from Iron Vertex. Pretty sure the artist is Hen-tie, but they don't have anything on their twitter about Mel so maybe I imagined that.

>> No.10328179

Mouse is laughing her ass of at Connor's misery with this game.

>> No.10328203

>>10328175
Did this Brian rig any other big vtuber? First time I'm hearing about him.

>> No.10328223

>>10327895
Zen's highest was between 8k-9k, think it was the birthday stream

>> No.10328254

>>10328203
He also did Froot

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>>10328254
Oh, nice. Her rigging is pretty damn good.

>> No.10328288

>>10327695
Why doesn't Zen care about the thousands of indies that get no attention?

>> No.10328316

>>10327695
>Cinge psychotic backstabbing tranny
Yeah, I sure wonder why other VShojo girls don't like this faggot

>> No.10328341

>>10328203
Tons. He's one of the most popular riggers and arguably one of the best too

https://twitter.com/search?q=%40BrianTsuii&src=typeahead_click&f=user

>> No.10328372

>>10328288
they don't have to deal with fans of other streams in chat constantly?
>>10328316
would really show that girls like melody who claim to be so inclusive actually don't like trannies/males

>> No.10328400

>>10328288
Zen used to be really philanthropic before the months leading up to VShojo. They'd raid small indies, pop up in chats and actually engage, promote their content, had a whole Discord dedicated to organizing collabs for indies and appeared in a few, etc. They came from humble beginnings, so they were a sort of "people's champion" and suddenly they got big an abandoned a lot of people they used to be close with.

>> No.10328402

>>10327695
>tweets out a sad message vaguely complaining about something bad that happened
>makes a second tweet basically saying 'nevermind, don't worry about it'
zen is 100% female confirmed

>> No.10328432

>>10328372
I think it's not even about him being a tranny, but an insufferable bitch who's hard to deal with. Also TTS
>>10328402
You will NEVER be a woman, so is he

>> No.10328441

>>10328316
>>10328372
You know these people have heard Zen's voice and talk behind doors, right? Zen used to do this with close, trusted people back in the VRChat days nothing has changed dude. They're not even a tranny they're just a babi

>> No.10328479

>>10328432
>>>10328402(You)
>You will NEVER be a woman, so is he
wut
i think you need to take your meds, i was just making a joke kek

>> No.10328482

>>10328316
backstabbing? this isnt the shitty niji collab is it

>> No.10328483

>Zen shitters out of nowhere
What the fuck?

>> No.10328499

>>10328432
>not even about him being a tranny
>an insufferable bitch who's hard to deal with
is there a difference?

>> No.10328515

>>10328483
there's a zen thread up

>> No.10328519

>>10328432
And you will never be human. Just a shell of a man who wastes his life raging at trannies on an anonymous website because you're too much of a pussy to put your money where your mouth is and be honest to people in real life. What you see as being a backstabbing, two-faced tranny is just your own reflection in the mirror.

>> No.10328531

>>10328483
They've been around since forever, they just wait to pounce at the right moment

>> No.10328563

>>10328483
I know i hold not power in a VShojo thread, so this is where I must thrive. In the gutters.

>> No.10328592

>>10328519
>one sentence
>a whole paragraph
who is wasting their life?

>> No.10328593

>>10328515
>>10328531
Ah, that explains it. Stop giving them (you) and let them fuck off back to the hate thread.

>> No.10328640

>>10328592
>n-no u
it took ten seconds for me to write that. i guess you're also mentally retarded and an incredibly slow typer lmao

>> No.10328646

>>10328499
Yes, I know this is anecdotal evidence, but I personally know some troons who are just fine. Mentally ill, but sill fine.
Zen, on the other hand, is acting like a pregnant woman, despite being a male, and it's off-putting.

>> No.10328683

I happen to think VShojo is pretty swell, if I do say so myself.

>> No.10328687

>>10328640
10 whole seconds

>> No.10328709

Zen isn't trans and never claimed to be a woman

>> No.10328721

>>10328515
>making an anti-thread when someone is feeling in the gutter
and then those schizos dare to call anyone degenerate

>> No.10328730

>>10328203
I mainly know of him because he did Bao's rigging and turns up in her chat a lot

>> No.10328762

>>10328709
the tranny thing is just yet another rrat made because the antis were running out of material

>> No.10328789 [DELETED] 

>>10328709
When why is he using a female avatar? Female voice? Posts and retweets "sexy" art of this avatar?
If he doesn't want any ambiguity, he would've just used his real voice or a male TTS voice at least.
But he's not, because this faggot either wants to be a women (and he NEVER will be one), or just wants more money.

>> No.10328795

Watching a Saruei vod where she's wearing a heart rate monitor and it's Snuffy tier. I think we should be concerned about them both.

>> No.10328822

>>10328515
Just read it. People say this thread is as bad as the rest but it's actually pretty chill. Even the people "we" don't like don't get too much vitriolic hate.

>> No.10328841

>>10328789
you're pulling a lot of straws out of your ass to justify hating someone
have you tried going to therapy by chance?

>> No.10328845

>>10328795
I'll will never show concern for the French bitch.
You're welcome too, though

>> No.10328858

>>10328709
Seriously, stop replying to them, please.

Ignore the fucking shitters. You're not going to get anywhere with them and you're just giving them attention and their beloved (you)s.

>> No.10328861

>>10328789
>When why is he using a female avatar
babiniku
Female voice?
It's TTS, and babiniku
>Posts and retweets "sexy" art of this avatar?
Does this also make straight people gay when they post sexy art of their avatar when it's the same gender? It's a fucking OC

>> No.10328902

>>10328861
i'm going to turn you into a femboy and fuck your bussy, anon

>> No.10328905

>>10328795
She's such an adorable scaredy cat, but sometimes she does scare me a little bit, just today she had a brief case of heart palpitations, it was kinda spooky.

>> No.10328913

>>10328861
Yeah, isn't really too hard to figure out. Look at some normies like Strippin and Woops, who both use female OC as channel mascots.

>> No.10328934

>>10328795
>>10328905
>Totally not the same poster

>> No.10328957 [DELETED] 

>>10328861
Babiniku are using their real voices or an obvious voice changer, you always know it's a guy behind the avatar.
Zentranny is trying to be seen as a woman, that's the difference.

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>>10328934
I hope you die of dick rot.

>> No.10329022

>>10328957
Zen's viewers already know he's a dude. There's a fucking video out there proving Zen's a dude and no one has a problem with it.
Only the character is female.

>> No.10329103

>>10328989
i can uncheckmark shit too

>> No.10329135

>>10329103
say something intelligent when you reply to me, otherwise there's plenty of sex toy and dude weed snuffy lmao posting to occupy your small and malfunctioning brain.

>> No.10329143

>>10328075
>>10328223
Thanks frens. Getting 10k subs is a nice accomplishment and I hope the other 3 girls use the energy of this moment to achieve this themselves.

>> No.10329226

Watching out for the Zen late night drinking stream.

>> No.10329227

>>10329022
Source? (Unless it goes into /vt/ rules-violating territory).

>> No.10329281

>>10329227
google it. people discount it because it's an april 1st posting but all the information in that video checks out

>> No.10329324

>>10329226
too bad, it's Predators movie night

>> No.10329337

>>10329281
>all the information... checks out
Hook line and sinker.

>> No.10329442

>>10329227
Pretty much from the start Zen was assumed to be a guy. During a subathon in the VR Chat days there was a voice reveal goal that was met. There was a guy and a girl in the room on the stream so people broke into several camps of "Zen is a guy who paid a girl to play Zen" or "Zen is a couple operating the character"

Someone here has the full live stream but refuses to share it, and all you can find on youtube is someone who's only post was "Zen is a guy" and a Twitch clip of a guy's unrelated marathon stream listening to a portion.

Everything else was lost in the DMCA appocolypse or people deleting their accounts because they were pissed.

>> No.10329587 [DELETED] 

>>10329442
the issue stems from the girl not knowing a lot of the more nuanced shit, like VII's (Seven's) name. Everyone knew the guy before he got outed for Pedo shit when he was a VRChat streamer and he was one of Zen's closest friends during that era. There's a lot of shit she somehow didn't know but people still bought the girl was him.

>> No.10329631

>>10329337
which part is incorrect

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>>10329587
I will never understand why people take Perish's video seriously. It is the very definition of a hack & slash edit using only specific points in which he creates the context and makes conclusions for the audience. Any critical thinker can poke a thousand holes in that fucking thing but nobody bothers because, apparently, if someone makes a video on the internet and posts it to the YouTubes on April 1st it has to be fully legit.

>> No.10329768

>>10329719
Poke 3 holes

>> No.10329777

What do you prefer; When a chuuba has the chat on screen or when they don't? Does that change for you when watching vods?

>> No.10329880

>>10329777
i wish there was a way to preserve the chat for youtube reuploads in some way that didn't involve them wasting limited screen space

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>>10326662
Shouldn't have worn a Moosey shirt if you're gonna coom

>> No.10329978

>>10329768
Hole 1: The Seven thing you posted before. Perish makes it a point that the girl does not know VII is "Seven" but heretofore Zentreya has never spoken before in any capacity or fashion. Perish is making the conclusion that "Zen" should know he's called "Seven" and not "V" but provides no other situations or circumstances where Zentreya has ever referred to VII as "Seven". It is just "assumed" and no further context is given. For all Perish knows, Zen (assumed the girl in this case) has always called them "V" out loud.

Hole 2: The birthday is proof of zilch. A streamer didn't put their own birthday on their character profile? Holy shit what a concept. Considering Zen has publicly stated how terrified they are of dox and identification, it fits more with Zen's paranoia that they wouldn't.

Hole 3: The "Perish" catchphrase. I have never heard Zentreya ever say this. So either they just abandoned ever saying it or it was always the boyfriend who used it but not the girlfriend, owing to the "couple" argument and the boyfriend isn't around anymore.

I don't remember all the video. If you've got more hit me. I'll poke a hole in it. There's a shit ton of stuff you SHOULD be skeptical about but for some reason aren't.

>> No.10329991

>>10329880
That's an interesting idea, but it would require YouTube and twitch to work together so it'll never happen.

>> No.10330067

>>10329880
>>10329991
Why would anybody care about chat? Mikeygonzalez obsession aside, chat is often banal and pointless.

>> No.10330132

>>10330067
sometimes you have to do a lot of detective work to figure out what a streamer might be reacting to if you can't see chat, even though it's all worthless spam

>> No.10330138

>>10326051
>timbits
They're called munchkins, dammit!

>> No.10330163

>>10330067
I mostly agree, actually. The only time I care about chat are when the streamer interacts directly with them quite a lot.

>> No.10330214

>>10329978

1. The VII thing is again another oldschool VRChat thing. Zen and their friends and any hanger-ons that could always hung out in VRChat for hours and hours at a time in its prime, we're talking 8+ hours just hanging out in VR. Everyone said VII's name out loud, Zen probably heard it said out loud more than they say it read. Zen would have no reason to call them "V" out loud if they hear their name every single day. I

2. The birthday thing is weird but a nothinburger, they used to celebrate it plenty publicly.

3. Perish is an old catchphrase from the VRChat days, there's still tweets alluding to it.

>> No.10330535

KRONII LOL

>> No.10330689

>>10330214
My point, tho, is that Perish provides shit for context beyond what Perish himself wants you to think. He manipulates the information. You're saying "its old school VRChat stuff" but 99.9% of the people watching that video don't know any of it, so why should they believe? I honestly find most of the video to be a nothingburger, frankly. Perish either had a beef and posted the video on a very unfortunate date or is jerking everybody around, including Zen (or Zen made the video under an alt account).

But the overall point stands. There's no reason for a pack of frothing morons to believe any of it. Maybe some of the folks back then who were involved could be convinced, but nobody else should be. Yet it is sopped up as if God came down and put the video on YouTube Himself. I don't get why people would trust that shit at all.

>> No.10331111

>>10330689
I think it's an older friend (maybe fan) upset at Zen, they made a lot of enemies over the years. Like you said, you'd need a lot of old, old knowledge (2019 and earlier) to really confirm any of this stuff. I didn't even really follow Zentreya, but I was a big VR-Chat no-lifer back during 2018 and 2019 and everyone knew who Zentreya and their friends were, so this all makes perfect sense to me. I can see why newer viewers don't understand any of it though. It's a bad video, but makes perfect sense to anyone around at the time.

>> No.10331236

>>10331111
>Old, old knowledge
>2019
Please don't hurt me like this, anon.

>> No.10331343

>>10331236
Old in the sense of the internet/streaming. Zen has thousands upon thousands of hours of stream time over the past 4 or so years they've been active. If you ever really want to be hit with the times, go look up "Zentreya vrchat" videos and only click on the old ones and not the new shit. Most will be just people crediting him for being in the vid but you'll see some nostalgic shit if you're an older fan

>> No.10331440

>>10331343
I know what you meant, anon. It just makes me feel old when people call something only a couple years old old.

>> No.10331727

am I bad person for half drooling/half dreading that zen's "year-ruining" thing is some sort of bts tension/drama with the other girls?

>> No.10331785

>>10331727
probably family related, zen is pushing 30 and i'd imagine a lot of their family is much older and getting to "that age"

>> No.10331883

>>10331727
It's fine to think about as long as you don't really talk about/sperg about it. Everyone has dark, intrusive thoughts.

>> No.10331915

>>10331785
that does seem more likely. I think I've been primed by too much shit happening lately with streamers I thought I respected.

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>>10331727
you've become a /vt/sister
sorry you had to find out this way

>> No.10332204

>>10332062
I accept my fate

>> No.10332372

>>10331785
Zen's mom is dead and a sore spot that usually leads to some really depressing shit.

>> No.10332690

Considering not a single Vshojo+ replied, it's 50/50 they're in a private discord call or asleep.

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i don't care what any of you think about zen, i'll protect that adorable gecko with my lfie

>> No.10333192

>>10332760
The tts always filters me, but all these people bitching is making me like her. I might start watching her streams out of spite.

>> No.10333405

>>10332760
Zen's good people. She's very close with Mouse, she's always been a good friend with Silver (Silver even made a Patreon set with Zen back in the day), and she has a sharp sense of humor. She can be a troll in collab games, but she's good friends with the rest of the girls for a lot of reasons (reasons I can't quite understand for Vei, even).

>> No.10334465

>>10333405
That's one of the more annoying things about all this. Like for as frequent a target of shit Zen is she always seems the quickest to open up and try to get people involved in shit and has done the most charity streams than anyone in the group by far. She's the only one I've seen open enough to talk about how she's seeing a therapist (that's assuming she's not the only one cause god I think some of the other girls could use one lol) One of my favorite Zen moments this year wasn't even a funny thing it was Zen surprising everyone at the end of her birthday stream by announcing that she wasn't keeping any of the money donated to her during that stream (and we all know the huge spike in donations everyone gets on their birthday) and would be donating it all to her father's favorite charity. I know Nyan also did a charity stream for her birthday but I dunno. Something about surprising everyone with it after they had already donated just hits differently than making an event out of it.

>> No.10334635

>>10332760
I just ignore the Zen shitters, she's super entertaining and hot I don't care what she has between her legs IRL.

>> No.10335290

>>10334635
>ignore... shitters
I wish more people would do this.

>> No.10337279

Anybody else ever had their PC just randomly restart while watching Twitch?

>> No.10337325

>>10337279
Fraid not. Sounds like you could have a serious issue friend. Time to get googling.

>> No.10337533

>>10334465
Oh yeah, Zen is SUPER-generous with charities. That she's done so many on her own without even bothering with VShojo's backing says a lot about her, all of it good.

>> No.10338363

>>10322829
Pretty bad, flat face with no nose and Mel already has one of better 3D models among Vtubers.

>> No.10338381

>>10334465
that's the point that these antis and shitters don't get. Man, woman, couple, tranny, it doesn't matter cause at the end of the day, zen is good people.

>> No.10338902

>>10338363
>flat face with no nose
So like every other 2d?

>> No.10339165

>zen
>she
wew

>> No.10339185

>>10327695
Well yeah, having a tranny pretending too be a girl is pretty creepy.

Was Zen friends with one of the girls or something? Out of literal thousands how'd the text to voice tranny get into Vshojo?

>> No.10339344

>>10339185
>having a tranny pretending to be a girl
No need for the redundancy

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>>10327695
Nyan's at the Kizuna Ai thing.
Mouse is with monkey
Froot's probably asleep
Silver's only on Twitter a short period of time every day.
Mel was streaming / is dead after streaming.
Hime is dead
That leaves Vei, who actually has the perfect excuse (also sleeping) but wasn't, and actually did like the tweet.

Please try harder with your rrats

>> No.10339482

>>10339404
cope lel

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>> No.10339992

>>10339404
Better idea: don't respond to hours old posts made by baiters and shitters giving out free (you)s.

>> No.10340316

>>10339992
even better idea; dilate (you and zen)

>> No.10340429

>>10339185
by being one of the biggest indies, retard

>> No.10340775

>>10340429
Literally anyone else would be a better replacement over someone using the worse way to hide ((her)) man voice. Like fuck if you have to do that then at least make a robot type avatar for your janky free Text to Voice rig.

>> No.10340869

>>10338902
That's not much of a defense; personally, I kinda liked how Mel didn't look like other Vtubers. So looking like everyone else just makes her seem... blander.

>> No.10341087

>>10340869
Wasn't really intended as a defense, was just pointing out how pointless your point was
It's not like the 3d goes in the trash anyway, it gets a new outfit, she streams more often. Win-win.

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Mousey having some fun at the Monke's expense.

>> No.10341151

>>10321458
Plus patreon, donations and merch. Minus whatever cut twitch and Vshojo takes.

>> No.10341244

>>10341151
>cut... Vshojo takes
Welcome tourist.

>> No.10341265

>>10341151
You new?

>> No.10341691

>>10341265
Yes. Is there something I should know?

>> No.10341713

What the hell is wrong with the way Connor laughs? It's like he's mimicking the sounds a normal person does when they laugh but his expression stays neutral

>> No.10341918
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10341918

>arguing if Zen is a man again
Feels like tradition at this point

>> No.10341954

>>10341918
>arguing
Shitters and baitfags don't "argue" they just get easy (you)s.

>> No.10341974

>>10341691
Damn well okay if you're going to ask politely. VShojo doesn't take any cut of what they make from streams. They only get money from brand deals they organize and merch sales. So all the subs and donos Mel got today are all hers minus the Twitch cut.

>> No.10342489

>>10339404
Hmmn, amusing a lot of the replies are from smaller Indies I recognise probably angling for a collab with someone a few k higher than them.

But the obvious speculation is Zen saw something from someone who might've been talking behind their back.

>> No.10342744

>>10342489
The obvious speculation is that obvious speculation is not obvious and in actuality pointless.

>> No.10342757

>>10340869
Mostly it's just because of the setup. You spend half an hour getting your tracking calibrated and then if you need to go to the bathroom or answer the door or some shit, it loses calibration and you get to start over, plus your phone is strapped to your head for facial tracking.
2D just requires a phone on your desktop and some hotkeys for animations.
Watch some of codeMiko's setup streams, especially the ones where it doesn't go right, and you can understand why a 2D avatar is appealing.

>> No.10342906

Where was the last reports of his whereabouts?

>> No.10343408

>>10341974
Thanks, I did not know that.

>> No.10344484

Mousey on monkey stream

>> No.10345106

>feels like I'm avoided especially after 1 game
If zen doesn't want to be left out, maybe stop griefing people in collabs so much. She griefed one of the other vshojos so hard that she cried on stream a year ago, and that somehow wasn't a wakeup call for her, a while back when people complained about her she said she won't stop because its entertaining, and she wants to act silly to make the others in the colab relax, but she has to have some form of hard autism if she can't see that acting retarded when the others are doing something else to the point it derails what they are doing and sets back their progress in the game isn't relaxing.

She's fine in games where she can't do it, or it's part of the game, like that Mario party like game they played, attacking others is part of the game, but I pray every night she doesn't join the valhein server because she WILL fuck with everyone's houses and get people killed again.

>> No.10345490

>>10345106
I feel like that's not really a thing I've seen as of late. And it's obvious she's trying to be the butt of the joke with all of the comedy on stream.

As for the whole point of contention here, most vtubers and streamers are introverted neets, so reaching out for anything it's assumed impossible. Plus the speach to text to speech layer of her entire sthick makes it's 4Xs as hard to even do a colab of more than 4 people. I know she's attached to the anonymity of it for reasons she knows better than any of us, but it's an added layer of difficulty that comes at a cost.

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Does Mel's 2D model have a CB mode?

>> No.10346007

>>10345490
This. Mira and Silver didn't collab for almost an entire year because they were both too scared of just asking each other to do it, and they're pretty close friends IRL.

>> No.10346104

>>10345106
>She griefed one of the other vshojos so hard that she cried on stream a year ago
I missed this, what the fuck?

>> No.10346161

>>10346104
I know there was one time last year Silver was hosting a Sea of Thieves collab, she was basically carrying the whole crew. Mouse wasn't very good at SoT, and Zen kept dicking around as she did. It was a stressful collab for Silver because the crew kept dying and Silver feels like she's a bad streamer if she isn't doing great at games.

>> No.10346282

>>10346161
Not to victim blame here, but Silver often puts herself in these terrible spots where she is trying to hold 9 different things together, be entertaining and keep a gang of maniacs on task and having fun. That's not going to work every time.

It's like having a bunch of coked-up-dementia grandpas trying to switch the input on the tv, but all of the grandpas have remotes and Silver is trying to spoonfeed them applesauce at the same time.

>> No.10346589

Mousey is on connor's stream

>> No.10346633

>>10346589
again or still?

>> No.10346785

>>10346633
she's been there for i think over an hour now? they've just been talking though. pretty fun banter as usual

>> No.10347256

Melody's new model looks like absolute garbage.

>> No.10347366

lol Mouse is saying rrat now, has that shit spread off board?

>> No.10347380

>>10347366
Ages ago yeah

>> No.10347438

>>10346282
Sounds like she'd be the perfect person to put together a Barotrauma Collab

>> No.10347786

>>10347366
She may have contextually picked up from falseeyed

>> No.10347821

This is now a mouse stream

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kek

>> No.10348091

>doesn't shower every day
>doesn't wear deodorant
smelly monke confirmed

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>>10348091
When he meets the mouse, his hygiene will kill mouse

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>>10348091
When he meets mouse, his hygiene will kill her

>> No.10348533

They are so cute together.
Feels good that Mouse finally has a good friend.

>> No.10348715

>>10348091
Muskee

>> No.10349481

Lmao, Connor is jealous at Snuffy for sleeping in their house in Valheim.

>> No.10350088

I just noticed that Connor's chat has a lot of weird fucking people, i thought it was mostly a female streamers thing

>> No.10350151

>>10350088
Isn't that every twitch chat?

I think Connor has a lot of coomer female fans though.

>> No.10350545

>>10350151
Usually twitch chat just has some degenerates ,not some fetish people , like , he's the first male streamer i saw that had coomers in his chat. But i might be wrong here , recently on twitch i've only been watching v tubers and jerma , so can't say how it is now

>> No.10350755

>>10350088
93%

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>>10350151
What will the female version of Connor look like?

>> No.10351022

>>10350545
Jerma has a lot of coomers in his chat
There's also Sykkuno, the amount of fans with parasocial relationships he has is larger than all of Vshojo combined.

>> No.10351032

>>10348091
And he doesn't wash his fucking jeans because apparently "you don't need to wash jeans"

>> No.10351106

>>10351032
I dont wear jeans but that is a thing anon, hes not alone

>> No.10351157

>>10351032
don't jeans get destroyed if you wash them too much?
have worn them since i was like 16, sweatpants are my life now

>> No.10351205

>>10351106
>>10351157
That's disgusting

>> No.10351265

>>10351157
*haven't

>> No.10351280

>>10351205
I typically wear the same jeans for 2 or 3 days before throwing them in the wash unless they get sweaty or some shit

>> No.10351370

>>10351032
I mean you don't have to wash them every wear, but, maybe wash them every 6 months or so and spray them with anti-microbial Febreze before wearing. If worse comes to worse you can always throw them in a plastic bag and freeze them overnight.
/VSJ+/ Denim tips.

>> No.10352147

>>10351157
Jeans form a layer of oil and dirt that makes them water proof, stain resistant and stronger as they get dirty, but you need to get them actualy dirty, most people with office jobs will just get them slightly sweaty

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>> No.10352696

>wakes up way earlier than normal
>thread still up but at the bottom of the catalog
nice timing. new thread
>>10352669
>>10352669
>>10352669

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