/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9981994
Prism

>>9981994
both are good

me

>>9981994
In any thumbnail featuring Kronii's default pose I think she has an axe in her head

>>9981994
Am I off my meds, or do the NijiENs all look younger than the Council? I wanted to swap out Petra for Kronii or Fauna, but it just made me realize how much their designs stand out compared to the other girls. All the Niji girls look like teenagers, while all the Council members except for Rrat (and MAYBE Mumei) all look like young adults.

>>9981994
why does the Niji art style seem more consistent

>>9981994
i like selen so niji

>>9982239
>inb4 someone points out all of hololive has different artists for each character and rees at you for imply they should maintain some level of consistency

>>9982239
EN2 is made from different JP artists while Anykara has their own artist in-house. That's why you see there's a lot of similarities in design when you compare the male chuubas and the female ones especially mito or kaede.

>>9982292
Well fuck I walked into that one before updating

>>9981994
honestly I think NijiEN2 mogs HoloEN2 to oblivion

>>9981994
not op considering this thread exists.

>>9982148
the nijis are closer up, which makes their face look bigger, which makes them seem younger

>>9981994
Don't fucking care. I'm not sure why you're trying to do console war shit.

>>9981994
Strong picks:
>Mumei
>Ouro
>Fauna
>Irys
>Pomu
>Selen
>Elira

Weak picks:
>Sana
>Baelz
>Finana
>Rosemi
>Petra
>Manshon

>>9981994
>Rosemi
Yea, no. Hololive is better at scouting talents.
And worse at getting good designs

>>9982327
Beat ya by 00:00:02 loser. Get wrecked <3

>>9981994
over 1/3rd of these girls are canadian. leafs run this biz

Niji. The only standout Holo in that picture is IRyS, who is doing the best she can with one of the worst 2D models in the history of vtubing.

You could take any HoloCouncil member and switch out the person behind the avatar with somebody else and it would be hard to tell that anything had occurred at all; especially Fauna and the black one. NijiEN's chemistry is unmatched and every member brings something unique to the dynamic.

>>9982148
It's the lack of tits and bigger heads doing it.

>>9982073
Fuck you
Now i can't unsee

>>9982481
fauna is the best of gen 2

>>9982073
His axe wound is beteeen legs

>>9981994
NijiEN

>>9981994
NijiEN by far. I will admit though some of HoloEN’s avatars are way better. Niji’s are pretty underwhelming

>>9982073
Anon, you've cursed my vision

>>9982615
This. I wish she was in NijiEN instead.

>>9981994
Left has IRyS so that's better than all of left and right apart from maybe Kronii.

>>9982878
>I will admit though some of HoloEN’s avatars are way better
what? They're all bad except the rrat

>>9982459
>leafs run this biz
They run everything. The eternal leaf.

Luv' Mumei more than any other EN chuuba
Luv' Pomu
Luv' Wosemi
'Ate most of the rest of these bitches
Simple As

>>9982459
Also, more interestingly, the majority of these girls are ethnically asian and/or hafu. (whereas HoloEN1 only had one ethnically asian girl, the increase is noticeable)
We need to talk about the yellow menace in "english" vtubing, and if having less white wimmenz is an improvement or not.

>>9982041
based

>>9982926
Based.

>>9982945
>That overdesigned trash
>Not bad

>>9982295
>while Anykara has their own artist in-house
except they don't. only their rigging is done in house

The one who ended up getting namarin amd sachi

>>9982295
No, Anykara only does their rigging in-house. The artists are not part of Anykara. Elira and Selen share the same artist, but the others are all different artists. (so 5 artists total)

>>9983134
They all look like gacha characters except the owl who could probably pass for a console RPG.

>>9982295
Where do you know that? All en girl mama is a different artist (for now oy selen and elira had same mama), the only artist anykara own Is the puchisanji artist, some of nijisanji liver also have sama mama as hololive

>>9981994
>fish has a community that openly mentions things like “bbc” and “cuckholdry” and that it’s okay to like it
idk anon, I prefer my fanbases retard mutt free.

>>9982393
Finana is strong pick.... She cute and funny, her voice is the cutes shit i hear by far

>>9982047
spbp

>>9981994
Wait for Shannon to debut in NijiEN wave 3.
She auditioned for Irys' position, so it'll be a direct comparison.

>>9981994
We refuses to dance to your tribalwar tune shitposter.

>>9981994
Hololive, but that's to be expected considering Hololive is obviously gonna be the first choice for talents wanting to become vtubers.

The Niji picks are good as well though.

>>9983843
>holoreject
eww

>>9983974
With how Council turned out, "Holoreject" isn't much of an insult anymore.
It's like
>Woow get a load of this loser he couldn't even win the special olympics

>>9984134
in the end settling in being a 2 view Niji instead of Hololive is just cope since they'll never achieve the same success and popularity as hololive.

>>9981994
We can debate about the ceiling of either until the cows come home, but I'd say Niji has a somewhat higher floor.
How good either are at their best comes down to taste, but Niji's worst is better than Holo's worst.
Not by much but if you watch both for a while you notice.

Not that it's really a fair comparison to make to begin with; EN2 hasn't been around long enough to give management the finger yet or extricate themselves from the constraints of their lore.
>>9982148
>Am I off my meds, or do the NijiENs all look younger than the Council?
Aside from Mumei and Bae they're all very obviously meant to look late teens to early twenties (i.e 14 - 16 in Idolmaster yeasts, looking at you Shiny Colours girls), yes.
NijiENs are all going for the teenager look with Petra gunning for T o T rather overtly.

>>9983897
>We refuses to dance to your tribalwar tune shitposter.
Amen.
>>9982987
>>9982459
When I talked with some people about this the conclusion we came to is that it effectively comes down to speaking patterns. It's kind of a meme but one with a basis in reality that Canadians speak softer and with somewhat more melody, which is going to make scouts far more inclined to hire them. Asians are also going to have a different approach to anime that is going to feel far different from more white-dominanted fanbase culture, and from what I've seen I can understand why scouts would not be overly impressed by that attitude.

>>9984335
>it effectively comes down to speaking patterns
YES! Thank you for not being deaf. Americans talk like orcs. Even if they learn another language, they don't learn the "rhythm".

>>9982041
>Meno

>>9982393
Who the fuck is Manshon?

>>9981994
Hololive. Almost every single one of Niji get less views than the least popular Holo

Why does my dick only get hard when I imagine my oshi with a giant dick destroying my ass? I swear I'm not gay but gura breaking me is half is the only way I can fap

>>9984263
>in the end settling in being a 2 view Holo instead of Nijisanji is just cope since they'll never achieve the same success and popularity as nijisanji.
-Nijifags in 2019, probably

>>9982393
>Mumei, Fauna
>strong picks
>he doesn't know

>>9981994
Uhh Cover because their talents aren't basic streamers and functionally interchangeable

Holo picks are better, though some of the nijis aren't bad

>>9984702
You're a cumbutt now.

>>9981994
Niji’s are actually entertaining. holo EN all feel like frauds and have no chemistry
>inb4 shitty embarassing example of two hologirls barely acknowledging each other and calling it friendship

Mumei alone wins it

>>9981994
They're both good at hiring talents but Cover refuse to hire decent artists and riggers.

>>9985700
Sorry, if I want a generically cute retard, I can get that plus creativity and ASMR from Rosemi.

>>9981994
nijiEN chemistry and their characters feel more like actual holoJP than holoEN
holoEN recruits mostly unique people (read retards, aspies and bipolars) except from like 2 actually good chuubas

>>9982393
Manshon DEEZ NUTS

>>9982393
>t.doesn’t watch streams

The Holo picks are better.

Her design filters me and her timeslot is ass, but IRyS has more talents than the other 11 combined.

>The ones that chose nijiEN doesn't actually watch nijiEN

>>9985996
nice projection, holoshit i even watch fucking PETRA and she's better than some of Holo's casting decisions

I think Holo EN focuses too much on the resume and skillset that doesn't matter that much in the end (drawing/singing/voice acting) - stuff like that is nice to have but won't make streams interesting by default if the person sucks at streaming. Niji seems to focus more on past accomplishments as streamers and seems to hire people who work/will work well together. Overall I think Niji's approach is better and I legit have hard time coming up with someone I outright dislike, even Petra has good moments and fun collabs (especially with other obsydia girls)

>>9981994
this time niji fr

>>9985966
So true brother, so true. IRySoBased

>>9981994
IRyS is more talented than the other 11 combined so I gotta give the edge to Hololive. They really nailed it when they hired her and they should count their blessings every day that she didn't go to the competition.

The Meltdown Collab for the official Nijisanji EN channel sold me on NijiEN. Gimme something like that from the HoloEN side and I'll also watch them but right now NijiEN came out fucking swinging and took both my ribs and heart with it

>>9982041
Based
Please post pictures of Shiki.

>>9986195
I think the other way around is the better approach. Streaming is streaming and eventually people are going to get tired of watching hours long streams everyday. When you hire like Hololive does you can keep your core audience engaged despite that.

"Oh, I haven't watched a Calli stream in a while but she just dropped this fire new song? Let me listen to it. Boom, Calli is at the top of my mind again. Oh check out this sick art from Ina. OMG IRyS' Karaoke stream was so good so I'll always tune into those even if I don't watch daily gaming streams."

Those kind of examples. Having a diverse portfolio is always good and the periodic drops of non streaming content wrangles the casuals back into the fold at timed intervals. There is a reason Gura's songs get so many views so quickly. Its the casuals who don't necessarily watch every single stream being brought back into the fold and watching the song.

>>9986824
I watched the Meltdown collab for Petra and the only one who caught my attention was Pomu. Selen was great, but I ain't fucking watching Apex. Elira is a great collab partner but she's a bit boring by herself.

>>9984134
Aren't 4 of Council's members among the chuubas with the highest live viewers?

>>9986824
HoloEN does Jackbox too, where the fuck were you

>>9986969
I don't think he's talking about Jackbox games.

>>9986879
that only breeds a viewerbase that only tunes in for special events etc, which is why calli has below 5k ccv streams sometimes despite nearing 2mln subs. Idk about her but personally I'd find that pretty discouraging. If you focus on streaming quality and not gimmicks, you get an audience that follows you regardless of where you go and give you more consistent viewcount etc, non-chuba streamers like atp/elajjaz/lobos/asmongold/sodapoppin etc are good examples of that approach and those are only a few I've followed/am aware of.

>>9983194
Popular gacha games have the best designs ever and it reflects on the popularity of the characters in doujin sites.

>>9987084
>If you focus on streaming quality and not gimmicks
Ever see a non-apex stream from Selen or a non genshin stream from Finana

>>9987603
yea i watch 90% of her stuff, she's a good streamer. I think only shovel knight was a bit too annoying to watch mostly cause I'm platformer fag and couldn't get over her trying to bruteforce it

>>9987603
samefagging cause I accidentally cut Finana part - I don't watch her much but all streams I tuned into happened to be non genshin ones too

>>9982393
Finana is making crazy SC for a while now.

>>9986845
Okay

>>9982239
Because Hololive hired a deviantart nigger

>>9981994
based on the order in OP's pic:

Elira >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mumei
Pomu = Kronii
Sana >>>>>>>>>>>> FInana
Selen >>>>>>>>>>x10 Baelz
Rosemi >>> Fauna
IRyS >>>>>>Petra

Mathematically NijiEN beats out Council+IRyS by a good margin

>>9985692
>m-muh chemistry
>not wanting to see two total strangers become friends and the progression of their relationship
Might as well drop romance movies and open pornhub instead if that's what you want

>>9987904
I love that NijiEN fans are retarded that they don't even know how math works. Truly made for each other.

>>9987960
Miko posters continue to be the best posters on this board. 35p have nailed it once again. What a great post.

>>9981994
Selen is the only good nijien outside of collabs. Irys beats all of them and Fauna is pretty good too. Holo wins I guess

I don't really watch either except Not Miki, but i felt HoloEN2 to be more boring, don't know if that's just the Cover nerf tho

>>9987904
>Pomu = Kronii
Nigger what? I ain't even a Nijinigger but come on. Pomu's a class for her own.

>>9987904
IRyS > Baelz > Kronii > Mumei > Fauna > Sana > Finana > Elira > Pomu > Petra > Selen >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a pile of dog shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> actual dried vomit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rosemi

Irys > everyone else.

>>9988022
Pekora started boring too, now look how she is today

>>9988022
kek Kuzuha, Pekora and Marine didn't start with 10k ccv right off the bat. But even then, most nijiEN won't ever reach a ceiling of 10k on their own even if they streamed for years

>>9987084
Mori cares way more about her music than anything else though. She would rather get a lot of views on her music and not very many on her streams than the other way around.

>>9982148
Bigger eyes. Makes your brain think they're younger looking.

>>9988034
hey alright slugma, did you see her sc earnings? must be painful to see she earned more than your entire company in a year

>>9988147
Did she break $30k yet after 2 months yet. Oh wait she didn't.

>>9981994
97 68
88 69
58 46
Hololive wins.

>>9986195
Cover's approach is the better one, we've already seen how successful Myth was and this time around, they're going with the same strategy of getting talents that have a unique skillset. Their goal is to expand their audience, not just pull viewers from the vtuber fandom. I feel like Niji is at a disadvantage here since they picked all generalist streamers, aside from Selen.

>>9988185
>voice packs sales and streamlab donos don't count
oh wait she did, stay mad slugma

>>9981994
Tribalism is a bitch. Let's play a roulette. If your last ID No, is 1,3,5,7,9, it counts 1 point for HoloEN. If your last No, is 2,4,6,8,0. It counts 1 point for NijiEN. The winner is decided before page 11.

>>9981994
Holo v.s. Niji Round: 9000. Fight!

>>9987904
That isn't actually how maths works, the total value of one set can exceed the other even if the other set wins a higher proportion of some ordered comparisons. For a simple example consider the set (100,1,1) and (2,2,2), the latter wins 2 out of 3 comparisons but totals 6 whilst the former only wins 1 but totals 102.

Regardless, you put Elira over Mumei and like Rosemi so your post is trash regardless of mathematics.

>>9986925
Everything is relative. They are a month in and Council's heavy hitter Kronii has worse CCV than Ame and Mori had in November last year. Everyone except Kronii is doing worse than Kiara at the same point after debut. That's live viewers, subs don't even come close to Myth. I doubt that any of them will hit a million before 1 year anniversary. They are still doing better than every other EN vtuber out there but it's entirely their Hololive head start. Other chuubas don't get to debut with 100k live viewers on no merit other than making it in.

>>9984417
That literally can be said of anyone learning a second language. Hell that can be said of native speakers going to other areas that may use a different dialect than them.

>>9988339
This is an incredibly stupid post for numerous reasons. Disregard.

>>9987084
She's at 8k+ average ccv for the last 15 streams, her most recent stream under 5k was a super chat reading.... Not sure why you would use Calli as an expample, considering how successful she is. She has a hardcore following that follows her everywhere. The only Niji that beats her in Superchats is Kuzuha, and Calli has only been active for a year, lmao. Guess having a "gimmick" paid off?

>>9981994
Any vtuber group that has Rosemi automatically loses. So yeah, I'm going with Hololive here since they didn't hire Rosemi.

>>9986824
Have you checked out vshojo? They have the same humor and have Bad Pink Cat too!

>>9988339
Well yeah, myth hit at the peak of the hype train, council after things had calmed down to a new (still higher) baseline.

>>9988435
But do they have the chemistry™?

>>9988435
I only watch mousey because I watch Gigguk and by extension Trash Taste. I don't know anyone else from Vshojo

>>9987960
Yeah, now that I think about it, the whole "chemistry" thing seems to be appealing to only current fans. Non fans don't give a shit.

"Hey, can you recommend any good vtubers for me to watch?"
"Yeah hey, watch these two, they got some good chemistry when they collab."
"......."

>>9988030
She's OK, kinda boring on her own though to be honest.

>>9982481
Its ok not to watch holoEN gen 2 streams anon, just dont make It too obvious.

>>9987960
So what can you say about HoloJP? Pls don't be a hypcrite.

>>9988414
9/14 Core game at 3-4k ccv
9/12 Doom at 5k average ccv
8/27 MK8 5k average, 7k tops ccv despite people like ina having 10k+ average
8/18 - shadowverse at 3-4k ccv
all bloodstained streams - 3-5k ccv

she might be getting good numbers on challenge runs/asmr/minecraft (gimmicks/buff games) but her normal streams get shit numbers, below 10k and sometimes even 5k. and that's a 1.6 mln sub streamer. that's the reason I used her as an example.

>>9982481

>>9985966
>>9986734
>>9986759
>>9988016
>>9988046
want to remind you niggers that Kronii is IRyS nepotism hire
>>9988034
Kronii>Selen>IRyS>Pomu=Finna>rest are all dogshit

All shit except for Irys

>>9982041
FPBP

>>9988455
unironically yes

>>9988501
not true, I went into niji en blind because someone recommended me their collabs (I remember being interested in GTFO and wanted to see someone play it), ended up snowballing from there. It is important if you want to watch people actually having fun

>>9988564
Really now? It's not hard to look up her recent streams on Holostats dude, don't go cherry pick her worse streams to fit your narrative.

9/17 10k Jump King
9/15 16.7k Minecraft
9/12 20k Debut rewatch
9/11 7k Doom
9/10 7.2k 12 minutes
9/8 8.8k Sunset ASMR
9/2 9.3k (matrix watchalong), 16.6k(small ame game)
8/28 18.1k Teaching Hacham bad words

>>9988708
>"She has a hardcore following that follows her everywhere."
>examples of streams that show it's not true
>"you're cherrypicking!"
can you follow a convo for more than 1 message?

>>9987346
no shit sherlock their entire market is pandering to coomers

>>9988703
Hey good for you, but like I said, the majority of non fans dun care about the chemistry, otherwise you would see a lot more people watching them or a lot more new fans joining in.

>>9988610
Your point? The whole Hololive is mostly nepotism hire, Irys is AZKi hire for example. I see that Kroniifags are already appealing to be one of the most insufferable fanbases.

>>9981994
NijiEN is the blandest group of vtubers ever. Its like they are trying to be some weird mix of Hololive and Vshojo without understanding why those groups are popular to begin with.

>>9988769
Not a single one of HoloEN members ever reached numbers they had during the month after debut. I guess they are just not good enough for new people to start joining in...

>>9982041
Prism is stealing all the best talent from Niji and Hololive

Fuck chemistry. I watch vtubers for the history

>>9988708
>9/17 10k Jump King
Pekora hype
>9/15 16.7k Minecraft
Micra buff+endurance buff
>9/12 20k Debut rewatch
.......
9/11 7k Doom
9/10 7.2k 12 minutes
9/8 8.8k Sunset ASMR
>9/2 9.3k (matrix watchalong), 16.6k(small ame game)
Amesame buff
>8/28 18.1k Teaching Hacham bad words
Haachama buff

>>9988826
Chemistry is the new SOVL. Just a buzzword that idiots use to justify their terrible choice of chuubas. It doesn't mean anything either. Half of NijiEN was hired out of Artemis' sex dungeon so no shit they have chemistry. That doesn't mean they are talented or entertaining though. They are all associates of Artemis after all.

>>9988909
Is that why they have no viewers? I don't understand though, why keep pushing this "chemistry" bullshit, it's becoming a meme now.

>>9988909
I won't be surprised if domo gets hired for wave 4

>>9981994
Clearly Phase Connect

>>9988807
I want to see a PRISM incline so badly. They stomp all over NijiEN and should be getting higher viewership.

Redpill me on Holo council. I don't watch much EN chuubas and only occasionally watch an Ina drawing stream or Calli karaoke stream.

>>9988970
Just watch one of their full-group collabs and have a look at whoever appealed to you the most. That said, the HoloEN2 full-collabs have been pretty mediocre so watch at your own risk.

>>9983843
I want Wave 3 so bad

>>9988970
Watch HoloID instead

Is it really that hard to find a western girl without a bf? You think it would be a requirement for a job like this

>>9988970
Most of them are beat by JP chuubas, wait for a couple of months for them to get into their swing.

>>9984702
Fuck futagura. FutaSelen is where it's at

>>9985077
t. seething virgin

>>9988805
Probably not, but still far ahead of the competition.

>>9989049
I'll watch some clips and a vod.
>>9989059
I do sometimes but I mainly watch Holosanji JP.

>>9982041
Best post

>>9988501
>"Yeah hey, watch these two, they got some good chemistry when they collab."
but unironically

>>9987960
This cope again? Been waiting for over a year, and HoloEN still act like total strangers around one another.

>>9981994
Kronii, Sana and Irys are all good. So are Elira, Pomu, Finana and Selen.

This being said, yet another Apex player in Holo isn't particularly interesting (even if she's the only one who could consistently and routinely beat Aqua), and Holo EN already has Calliope and Kronii as straight man characters, so Elira would be superfluous.

Gen composition matters. It's possible to make the right hiring decisions and still leave the competition with plenty of legit picks.

All of this being said, a Marine/NSFW feesh collab would be amazing.

>>9984335
>Niji's worst is better than Holo's worst.

That's a really bad joke because Petra is garbage and her only good trait is being a punching bag for literally everyone else and not taking it badly. But she is not entertaining alone. Full stop. None of the HoloEns are like this. I can argue at worse they're the exact opposite where they're bad at collabs.

Canadian Asians are being hired because Holo & Niji still think having a bilingual chuuba is the ticket to success. Bae and Petra buried that meme, but these two companies will keep trying by hiring Pikamee wannabes.

>>9988951
Yeah but Captain needs to up his merch game.

>>9984417
>YES! Thank you for not being deaf.
Learning languages used to be my hobby so it gets really noticeable.
>>9989383
I used to think that but lately she's been growing on me, whereas some council members filter me really badly with some really ? streams.

>>9989420
Asians are being hired because white weebs are mostly cringe and only a few weirdos are into "cringekino".

>>9988970
EN1 is 100% seiso, Kiara has Pekora's laugh
>Council
Kronii - her deep voice, self-hate and great visual design = most subs. Also "ara ara"
Mumei - fake high pitched voice, seems wholesome at first until you watch her more, bland
Fauna - fake high pitched voice, GFE, ASMR, artist
Baelz - Australian accent, batshit insane, still trying too hard instead of relying on being genuine
Sana - Australian accent, bad hours, mostly bland
>Irys
Actually a good singer

>>9989302
>t. doesn't watch streams

>>9989493
And yet HoloEN 1 will be the most successful english gen for the foreseeable future. Won’t stop Niji/Holo from chasing the JP collab meme.

>>9983139
Anykara did use in-house artists for some JPs, most of ID up until the latest waves, and the Indians, but it seems like they're not gonna be doing that anymore considering the latest ID wave was all outside artists and next wave has them confirmed

>>9981994
IRyS is a blessing, but Fauna could fit in with the nijishitters no problem.
She has the fake american dub voice down pat.

>>9982926
you were so close to being based

Kronii is trash and so is your taste

A bit of a toss up but hololive has a slight edge I'd say

>>9985077
Strong picks, weak opsec. Simple as.

>>9988909
Why has "chemistry" been perfectly fine to use in the context of sankisei, gokisei, Gamers, etc., but all of a sudden in mid 2021 it has become a banned word to use around here?
Just because some new EN groups have come around that have vtubers that work very well together (more than just NijiEN, small companies also have vtubers that are great together onstream) doesn't mean we have to stop using a word outright.

And if you're going to hate on SOUL, then I better not see you around another Ame karaoke session.

>>9989113
Got any good art for a bro?

>>9989838
because if it applies to someone I don't like, it's just a buzzword and should be banned, classic holodrone mindset

>>9987960
>Men
>Watching romance movies
Excuse me?

>>9989762
>Petra lower than Rosemi
I mean if tard wrangling your autistic sister seems appealing then Rosemi would appeal to you.

>>9989420
It'll be hard to break because I do think they want to make a bridge between EN and JP vtubers since EN wouldn't be a thing without JP.

>>9989964
>if tard wrangling your autistic sister seems appealing
Not even that anon or a nijinigger but that does sound appealing. I doubt that she is actually autistic autistic and not internet "autistic".

Rosemi is the worst hire in the history of vtubing.

>>9990179
She's someone I'd be surprised if they weren't on the spectrum or have some sort of deviant mental functions. She is radically different than not just people I interact with, but vtubers I've seen so far.

>>9981994
They both made good hiring decisions. But your parents made a bad decision by not aborting you.

>>9990405
They hired Rosemi, the worst hire in the history of vtubing. That is not making good hiring decisions.

>>9990203
>>9990446
samefag, get over your loss slugma

From what I've seen, all of them are meh. Couldn't make an entire stream entertaining. There will be funny moments, but just watch clips and save your time. The only ones that are truly entertaining are Ironmouse and Gura, at least from the 3 top agency

>>9982041
Agreed for the most part. Nia, Shiki, and Pina are far and away better than anyone in Holo/Niji, Nia being probably the best EN streamer of the current generation.

I find HoloEN2 to be incredibly boring, people told me they just debut and they need time to get better and it's been a month and they're still not any better. Why waste time watching them when I can just watch HoloEN1 more instead?

>>9990812
>it's been a month

Holocope is real.

Some of the JP holos I see the appeals of, after a few months I put my tribalism aside and watched all the original HoloEN girls (a month or so ago) just to give them a fair chance and tear god they're terrible.
>Ame
literally forgettable but cutest model
>Gura
just a loli voice trying to be cute but not doing or saying anything interesting.
>Ina
literally is silent 99% of the stream, and not in the fun way. If you wanted a chill streamer watch the former streamer known as Lulu for how to do it right, Lulu's silences built up to what she says next and to the game. Ina just has literally nothing to say so she sits there in silence, its really notable in streams like minecraft or drawing when its literally nothing.
>Kiara
her voice is terrible, but she's at least somewhat entertaining and tries, she's clearly the heart of HoloEN
>Cali
fucking cringe. everything about her is pure cringe.

>Irys
not even putting aside tribalism will get me to watch that gremlin model.

>council
i watched their debuts and they all looked terrible, I tried giving mumei another shot because i liked her design but it was still terrible.
one of these days i might try kronii again but i'm 99% sure its just holofags coping pretending that literally anything with the slightest bit of interesting content is "amazing"

Niji in general has far more talented streamers, Pomu and Selen are carrying hard but Elira and Rosemi are both carrying their own weight at the very least. Finana and Petra are shit

>>9990773
anon…

>>9982393
>>Finana
>>Rosemi
>weak
>>Mumei
>>Ouro
>>Fauna
>strong
Delusional holobrony

>>9991413
Finana is walmart vshojo

>>9991237
Ina and Mumei streams are unintentional ASMR

>>9991237
Ina is the only good HoloEN, I really appreciate how much she cares about the games she plays, down to actually paying attention to the plot and lore and getting emotionally involved with the characters and story, it's that careful and methodical method of gaming that appeals to me. She's also one of the few ENtubers who is brave enough to tard wrangle chat and tell goslings to shut up.

Aside from that NijiEN steamrolls everyone else.

>>9991533
that's not what ASMR means.
also its still shit.

>>9989420
Being bilingual (or, to be more precise, able to speak some nihongo, since that is what's mostly actually about, no one cares if you can speak some third language besides en and jp) IS a plus... but the issue is that it doesn't help you (viewer-wise) if that's your only quality. You also have to be entertaining in general, that's the more important basis for any streamer. If you aren't, speaking jp doesn't add anything of value, because instead of just a "boring person" being a "boring person...who can also speak jp" isn't a tangible improvement.

>>9991624
It makes me sleep

>>9984656
manshon this dick

>>9991237
>I put my tribalism aside and watched all the original HoloEN girls (a month or so ago) just to give them a fair chance and tear god they're terrible.
And yet your """talents""" can't beat them in... anything? lol If women who are not interesting shit on the entirety of your company there must be something extremely wrong. But feel free to go with the classic schizo cope with "p-popularity doesn't mean being good!".

>>9988610
You IRyS recruited the highest earning EN2 member? She is even more powerful than I imagined.

>>9993247
>b-but they have big numbers so that means they're better!
they beat them in streaming, they beat them in video game skills, they beat them in having interesting zatsudans.

black out is better thank sparks.

>>9993247
>And yet your """talents""" can't beat them in... anything?
Viewer retention and engagement rates :^)

>>9984263
Holos can barely do anything they want to, Nijis can do whatever the fuck they want.
I get that it's easier to like what's popular, but Hololive is soulless as fuck.

>>9993372
I'm sure that matters when holoen2 girls can do this FULL TIME and the nijiEN girls can't survive on what they make.

This is like Major League Baseball vs the amateur league that plays in the park every month

>>9993519
>b-but numbers
lol.

>>9993517
>muh creative freedom

>>9993572
>>9993570
At the end of the day it depends how you look at vtubing. Hololive is a legit career. Nijisanji is a hobby at best.

>>9993519
>This is like Major League Baseball vs the amateur league that plays in the park every month
Somewhat true, but more like Holo has a Major League money, but amateur league talents, while Niji has amateur league money, but Major League talents.

>>9993664
You realize hololive has only been "big" for around a year right? They're still clearly in fad territory and there's no indication they can or will have staying power that even rivals the previous big vtubers like AI or .LIVE had, both of which still failed.

Nijisanji has shown to branch out and is moving beyond just the streaming realm which gives them more staying power and consistency, though how that will go is still in the air. Cover has consistently showed they have no clue what to do and it shows, and their quality has consistently been on the decline over the past year as well.

>>9993512
You don't know what either these words mean. Because if you did you'd know it's not true.
>>9993372
>they beat them in streaming
Clearly not, since nobody but you and your band of copers cares about them.
>they beat them in video game skills
Cool. Completely irrelevant streaming wise, specially because you wouldn't watch a girl playing games well, wouldn't you? You're clearly better than them at videogames, right? You're not that pathetic, right?
>they beat them in having interesting zatsudans
Clearly not, or they would be more popular. Seems like they're as plain as your average whore you can meet IRL.
>>9993570
>n-n-numbers
You realize that "popular = bad" is a misconception, right? Of course it's not always the truth but guaranteed you're always wrong on what you consider unpopular but good and not something extremely niche catered for your extremely weird and bad tastes.
But seems like there's a magic spell that prevents people from enjoying actually "good vtubers", that's what you're saying right? lmao. People tune in for Nijis and get bored, that's the real answer retard. Except you, who pretend obviously to watch the better content just to be le epic contrarian and feel special.

>>9993742
>Nijisanji has shown to branch out and is moving beyond just the streaming realm which gives them more staying power and consistenc
>they have a 20% graduation rate
lol nice try SEAnigger

Nijisanji EN are all unique and fun and have great chemistry with eachother.
Holo EN are...Irys and Sana and a bunch of talentless normalfags.

>>9993788
>China branch
>male branch
pretty sure percentage wise hololive still has a higher ratio of graduations.

though i don't know what you're trying to prove there. people move on.

>>9993519
>nijiEN girls can't survive on what they make
lol what? Pomu is quitting her job to stream fulltime and Rosemi is the only one working as an intern to gain some work experience for future. at least get your facts straight before you talk

>>9993519
>I'm sure that matters when holoen2 girls can do this FULL TIME
5% reaper and 3 streams per week shark send their regards.
>and the nijiEN girls can't survive on what they make.
I'm sure they wouldn't be quitting their day jobs if it was that bad.

>>9993742
This. It doesn't seems like Holo had grown from their peak last year. At least in terms of superchats and average viewers, which imo are the most important factors. On the other hand, Niji has almost constant growth in superchats from month to month, getting to a new peaks almost every month.

>>9993855
Fish, Selen, and Elira are NEETs living with their parents
Petra is in school

>>9993895
Selen is not a neet, she's an artist doing drawing comissions. again, stop talking shit about stuff you have no idea about

>>9993761
Bruh, stop being retarded and pretending that you don't know that Holo's popularity comes only from they lucking up with YT algorithm.

>>9981994
idk man, i was a hololive tribalist before nijien dropped, but for the past months i find myself mostly watching nijiEN and a bit of ina

>>9985692
>holo EN all feel like frauds and have no chemistry
>feel
They have NO chemistry at all, as evidenced by:
1. Holofags are the ones who cry the most about 'forced' collabs and 'muh' language barrier.
2. Selen, Qu, and Kanae Apex collab stream vs. the Umisea collab streams.

I've been watching more Niji.

Rosemi is a treasure.

>>9993975
>the other half of the grand cope coin

>>9994049
Except its true, hololive went viral at an extremely lucky time (covid shutdowns) and that was basically the sole reason for their success.

It becomes extremely obvious when you start hearing any holofag talking about singing ability, not realizing literally everyone in hololive is terrible at singing. They try to bring that shit into the vsinger threads too, not realizing how shit they are in comparison to actual singing focused groups.
Hell, even Mea's shitty karaoke is more entertaining than most the holos.

>>9994049
>cope
You don't know what that means. If you are to retarded to go and check the progression of their numbers, then the one copeing is you.

>>9994149
They're continuing to incline though. Meanwhile NijiEN is pretty stagnant

>>9994029
>implying the Holofags that cry about shit and posting garbage here actually watches streams and are actually Holofags
You should take a look outside this board. Also it must feel good for your small chuubas to have less bait threads on this board cause they're not popular enough to warrant dramafags stirring shit up for everything they do
Now please, >>9983897

>>9994149
>>9994174
>You don't know what that means.
Yes, it's what you're feeling right now.
Using "muh algorithm", "muh pandering to whatever site I don't like", "muh X retarded schizo theory or narrative"...
The truth is: Nijis are boring bitches.

>>9994181
Incline in what? Sub numbers? That's the most retarded indication of incline.
On the other hand, they recline on:
Average viewers
Monthly superchats
Even fucking reddit activity (the main source of holofags)
Niji is doing much better in those regards.

>>9994306
both are pretty stagnant.
>t. #fag

>>9994235
> "muh algorithm"
> schizo theory
It's not muh algorithm, it's youtube's algorithm. If you don't believe that it's real, you are a complete moron.
>The truth is: Nijis are boring bitches.
Now THIS is a real cope - completely subjective and coming straight from someone's ass.

>>9994369
Not really. Holo is stagnant-reclining. Niji is slowly inclining. Do your reps, please.

>>9994306
>invokes numbers
>refuses to look at the actual numbers
Sasuga

>>9994306
>holo subreddit has 7k users on right now
>niji subreddit has 200 users online
?????

>Burgers wake up
>Tribalnogging ramps up
Was blaming SEA's a ruse from real big rat?

Cover rejected Pomu.

Therefore, Anycolor wins.

>>9994483
>Pomu sperges out on Kiara on a daily basis
>anycolor wins
lol...she is trying to be in hololive despite being in nijisanji

>>9994453
>actual numbers
Which ones?
I've seen a table of monthly superchats - Holo never beat their peak from 2020, Niji beats their own peak nearly every month.
I've seen reddit stats - Holo reclines, Niji inclines.
Average viewers - holo constantly reclines.
What numbers should I look at?

>>9981994
Make the best group of 5 possible with these 12 girls. What would the group name be regardless of group affiliation?

The only "decision" Cover made in that picture was IRyS. Most of Council are just Ina's friends who wanted to cash in on the vtuber trend.

>>9994463
>holo subreddit has 7k users on right now
It's had average of 9k-12k early this year. Just look at a reddit stat website.
>niji subreddit has 200 users online
Same goes for them, they had lower average numbers before.

>>9994613
Selen, Pomu, Elira, Petra, Rosemi
I'd call it nijiEN without the baggage.

>>9994694
>Rosemi
>without the baggage

>>9994549
More like Cakequeen doesn't limit herself to leeching off within the same company and recognizes the loyal following Pomu has garnered.

>>9982987
not like there's much of a difference between white american women and NA-born asians.

>>9981994
>Who is making better hiring decisions?

>Overall Talent
HoloEN2 management
>Casting
NijiEN management
>Team Synergy
NijiEN management

>>9995150
>>>Overall Talent
>HoloEN2 management
who's talented?

>>9982295
I'm always curious whether people who have this type of art style blindness are also faceblind.

>>9991237
>Irys
>not even putting aside tribalism will get me to watch that gremlin model.
She's the best one, but I don't blame you for not watching her. Streaming is visual medium and her model is fucking terrible.

>>9981994
I'll give the edge to NijiEN for hiring someone that can actually play videogames somewhat competently in an industry where you're mostly watching someone play videogames.

>>9995196
You're confusing talent with entertaining

>>9991237
Anon you clearly didnt put your tribalism aside.

>>9994613
Mumei, Sana, Selen, Irys and Pomu

>>9987766
If Finana is making crazy superchat money, what does that say about the entire council?

>>9995579
EN 2 is entertaining?

>>9995579
Gura and Ame are the only entertaining holos on EN, Ina and Calli are definitely the talented category. Kiara and the rest of EN2 are garbage

>>9981994
I watched Nijis this week and for the first time on an EN vtuber, I managed to tune in from beginning to the end. Aside from maybe a few Kronii streams or Irys, I don't really get that with Holo council and I don't understand why. I had a fucking blast during Rosemi's birthday stream with her being a retard and on that Meltdown collab on the official channel.

>>9997278
Viewer retention is really fucking difficult if you're not entertaining. All NijiENs have their moments but they not particularly strong on their own

>>9989420
while it helps pika. people watch pika for herself mostly. So you definitely need more

>>9981994
I don't watch any of them but the only one that repulses me is irys.

>>9995150
>Team Synergy
That's a new one

>>9981994
Me, i want to fuck all of them

>>9981994
Which one of these is a lesbian/bisexual?

>>9998913
Every single one. The last straight woman died last year

>>9997278
>I had a fucking blast during Rosemi's birthday stream
really? i ignore her because she seems too sheltered for me. Guess I'll watch the archives

>>9984612
-is cute!

>>9999907
I think anyone will enjoy the niji ens calling her, the convos were great, especially the one with Elira and group convo later

>>9996408
he's a retard pls understand

>>9991413
>nijibronie coping already
actually sad

>>9982393
Move Sana and Finana up while moving Mumei and Irys down and you've got a great list.

>>9999907
She's a dumbass who had two of her streams crash on her back to back. One on her membership opening stream and one on her birthday stream. She's honestly the queen of incompetence and it's hilarious. I recommend you at least watch the Lasagna cooking vod.

>>9999504
>Every single one. The last straight woman died last year
Who?

>>10002284
your oshi, she's been replaced with a gay clone

>>9995150
>>Team Synergy
Im rooting for them in the next regionals, bro.

>>10002644
They're the internationals bro and they're gonna get crushed by Team JP

>>9982041
fpbp

>>9981994
Both are good.

>>9981994
Niji has Selen so they are way smarter

>>9981994

Top Tier Pros
>IRyS
>Pomu
Solid Picks with Potential
>Selen
>Fauna
>Kronii
>Mumei
>Elira
Interchangeable With Most Decent Indies/Small Company Vtubers
>Rosemi
>Bae
In Over Their Heads
>Petra
>Sana
>Finana

>>9990812
Some of the recent Minecraft streams and the retard collab have been absolutely kino

>>9990812
They take a while to flesh out. I barely watch EN, usually is because they're the only ones streaming during dead hours, but I don't expect to see EN2 full potential until several months in.

>>9995150
>Team Synergy
Ok, but are they leveraging their core competencies to execute stronger deliverables?

>>9981994
They each have 3 good designs and 3 not so good designs. However, Irys tips the scale in favor of Niji. Their artfags are just better hires, definitely.

In terms of talent and just based on those pictured, Niji mogs them completely. Kronii and brrat carry council as far as charisma goes, while the nijis have solid performance and synergy.

>>10004239
Based. Sana only got hired because she was a popular artist. People say she's taking the Kaira route but even Kiara is getting more viewers playing fucking jrpgs

>>9994613
Elira and Pomu come as a pair and are the best pure streamers in that group.
Selen for the Apex buff and bratty personality.
Irys for being the best singer in the group, but I'd give her Petra's model cause it fits her personality better (never forgiving Cover for what they stole from us)
Last slot was kinda dicey for me between Finana, Fauna, Baelz, and Sana, but I'd settle for Sana with a non-shit model (maybe Baelz' model but flat) and make her fucking draw on stream.
As for the name, I'll just call them HololiveEN Gen 2 for the brand awareness.

>>9991486
This is very true, Vshojo at least uses some tact, even Veibae can keep a steady 7k viewers, I believe she is one of the most watched chuubas on the twitch platform.

>>9981994
Holo has the stronger picks here. Might change with wave 3 though.

>>10004239
>In Over Their Heads
>Finana
Clearly speaking as someone who hasn't watched her stream any of Va11halla, Hitman, Papers Please, Nekopara, GTA, Little Nightmares 2, or Astral Chain for solo streams, and any of her horror collabs with Pomu, her Metal Slug collab with Selen, or her GG Strive collab with Rosemi.

>>10004996
Vei, Ironmouse, and Nyanners are the top 3.

>>10005198
>Anons call them shit when they have the top 3 chuubas on twitch
Anon is coping

>>10005303
Well, to be fair nijis and holos don't really stream on Twitch.

>>10005303
Being top 3k means you get like...8k average. It's nice but keep it in context. Also keep in mind...they went out and recruited all the top vtubers on twitch for their company so having the top vtubers on twitch isn't really an accomplishment per say.

>>10005101
Finana is not fit to be a corporate vtuber is what he's saying. She really isn't. I'm still curious why they even hired her, she has no talent and can't even break up dead air in streaming. Maybe her family has ties to Nijisanji/Sony.

>>10005383
It's still much better than Nijisanji does and close to Hololive numbers, sometimes surpassing.

>>10005424
Who makes the arbitrary rules on being fit to be a vtuber an-non?

>>10005424

>not fit to be a corporate vtuber
Nijisanji isn't a soulless company, so this is fine

>she has no talent and can't even break up dead air in streaming
Again, watch any of those streams, especially Va11halla, Finana is great. She was too in her shell early on, but she has blossomed into one of the best ENvtubers I have seen and her ability to really get into games is extremely engaging to watch.

>>10005519
tierlist posting /vt/niggers of course

>>10005424
Same with Kronii, yet she's doing the best out of everyone in council.

>>10005562
Anykara or rather Ichikara when they first made Nijisanji was beyond dogshit. It took a while for them to become better in their management from their own talents shitting on how fucked their management have been so they were forced to become an actually decent company. If it weren't for Nijisanji Resistance and Sasaki's graduation slap on the face, they would be shit.

>>10005562
No way fishfag.

I need more impromptu collabs and group meltdowns from HoloEN. And I want NijiEN to go buff their singing, Pomu and Elira are great singers but the rest suck. Rosemi feels like she can be great at singing, but I don't really know how she sings since I'm not a member and didn't watch her Karaoke stream

>>10006090
>Rosemi
She sucks at singing most of the time but she's got potential since her opera voice is nice

>>9981994
Not a Nijinigger and I really dont watch any of them at all but Pomu is better than every other one of them put together and Selen is better than everyone of them put together minus Pomu.

I love hololive with a fiery passion but anyone who things Gen2 was a good hire is brain dead.

>>10006497
They're fine but they're not as charming if I had to be honest.

>>9991413
>Kronii
>not strong
How does it feel to be so delusional?

>>10006731
>5% repeated narcissism jokes
>5% repeated self-deprecating jokes
>10% dry humour
>80% dry conversations
she's only strong in numbers

>>10004239
>Top Tier Pros
>>IRyS
>>Pomu
This is the only correct classification of those two

>>10006731
Her dry "personality" is boring and she is carried by her design. Plus she sounds extremely fake

>>9981994
Holochads have Sana
Nijikeks do not have Sana
Seems like an easy win Holochads

>>10007248
dry personality is a love or hate it type of thing, and there's clearly an audience of people who like it. What's actually bad is how terrible she is at filling dead space in conversations.

>>9981994
All the NijiEN hires are solid except for Petra. HoloEN only half of them are. NijiEN has the better track record for hiring.

>>9997146
Calli's music sucks, and I feel like I'm taking crazy pills hearing her get so much praise. I like her genres too. I listen to lots of electronic music and hip hop.

>>10006090
I know Selen definitely wasn't hired for her singing voice, but she's so incredibly tone deaf that it's kind of endearing. Even putting singing aside, she's so, so bad at parroting back phrases in Japanese and other languages. Pronunciation, emphasis it's all bad. Maybe something's up with her hearing lol.

>>10005424
>she has no talent
Singin, music mixing, drawing, graphic design, incredible voice range and engaging streams where she actually has fun and gets into the games she play to an infectious degree
Actually watch people before you talk about them

>>9989140
t. willful cuck

>>9981994
The Holo hires are the more talented hires here, probably a good choice if they want to pull non vtuber fans into the loop. Holo wins this.

>>10005424
>she has no talent
Maybe actually try watching her streams?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNUALJrIQoY

>>10012700
I'd rather watch vshojo than that trash