/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Ame is Omega

>>9763636
Hololive management is famous for being useless and actively sabotaging their talents.

>>9763636
holos shit talk management a lot, so I'm not at all surprised they were incompetent here. Completely par for the course.

>>9763636
I wasn't really a fan of Ame until she pulled this off.
Girl's a fucking boss.

Didn't Ame and Kiara said that Jenma helped with the celebration? Cover wouldn't spend a cent for EN's anniversary though

>>9763636
Cover is just a pimp taking a cut of the girls income

>>9763636
Management is notoriously the worst across pretty much any vtuber company just for being a smorgasbord of other companies major problems but to a lesser degree. Not as useless as Entum, not as outright malicious as Unlimited, not as anal about contracts as Re:act, not as big liars as upd8, doesn't shit out as many talents as niji, doesn't literally beg for random con-goers dragging them by the hand to promote [REDACTED], not as china-bowing as Overidea, not as restrictive at collabing as Idolbu, not as closed-market as Iriam, the list goes on and on and on.

But they're the second best at all of those things.

>>9763636
>>9763848
Congratulations, you just learned the concept of rent seeking and how the current state of the capitalist economy works. Cover gets richer by the sole virtue of ownership and through no economic output of their own.

Adam Smith never wanted this.

The managers aren't the incompetent ones. It's Cover. The parent company literally does nothing but collect fees from hololive.

>>9763636
>Bought the VR equipment for everyone, commisioned riggers and modellers, and pretty much coordinated everything herself
how did you know the managers didn't do anything? Ame didn't say anything like that

>>9763949
remember when cover used to actively work on tech so that their streamers could use 3d models constantly since before they even decided to be a vtuber group
remember how niji started that like, two and a half years ago and its been common-place for at least a year with various other companies following suit?

it's not economics, it's just cover being shit

>>9764015
>>9764027

But they're very successful, so it's just being a smart business for now. The only ones seething about this are commies and children who don't understand how the real world works

>>9764068
This
>I hate Cover
>but I will donate, buy membership and merch anyway
why would they need to change.
Look at Twitch and you will see the same scenario

>>9764068
well yeah, covers already been proven multiple times that literally nothing can stop them except a mass exodus of talent, between aqua and mio and mel and coco and matsuri and fubuki's dramas/multiple dramas that's end pretty much any other company, doesn't mean its smart, just nonstop passiveness endlessly rewarded, though if anons saying thats what makes cover truly capitalistic then i'd have to agree. its like a memecoin that never goes down

>>9764068
Complaining about freeloaders isn't being a commie you retarded shill. At this point, Hololive is perfectly capable of standing on its own without cover. But they can't because I'm sure those greedy boomers and chinks aren't gonna give up ownership of the company.

>>9763636
Main issue is management aren't familiar with vtuber's job at all, so they blindly follow a list of incompatible idol policies, which do more harm than good.

>>9764019
Any proof for this? If that's the case other girls would have mentioned it when they talked about the VR set. Ame is pretty based for doing most of it but you can praise her without making her genmates look like cheapfags

>>9764186
>At this point, Hololive is perfectly capable of standing on its own without cover.
Man, this board shocks me every day with each new absolutely retarded post like this one.

>>9764019
>MEMEME
Can that chunni tranny just stfu already?

>>9764232
For one known fact— that OmegaA is a "producer", not a creative one or an assistant, but a producer who probably thrown their money on the hololive EN project and so on, and probably has the biggest risk losing it. That would connect their statement to "first staff of EN".

>>9764475
Saying Omega is someone of worth to Hololive is like saying Comdost was someone of worth to Eilene, except even Omega has the argument of we don't know where they're from so anythings possible, compared to Comdost whose a literal third-worlder that couldn't possibly fund anything in any company and was just an artslave.

>>9764475
...By "that" I mean the claim Ame bought VR sets for everyone

>>9763636

How expensive is a corporate doll anyway. If indies can get good ones it should be easy for any holo girl to buy one if they wish to sever ties eith cover.
They are loaded with cash now. at this point being a big vorpo is more of a detriment. The copyright autism with permissions isnt helping either.

>>9763636
>Buying VR equipment
Cover will do this at the talent's request, any equipment really. Japanese members have talked about cover sourcing new computers for them.
>Commissioned riggers and modelers
This is something cover does for the talents avatars. Ame could have requested this from cover but obviously decided that would take too much time and VRChat is not an area cover has much expertise in.
>Coordinated everything herself
Cover tries to remain out of creative decisions except in obvious areas such as legal issues, company guidelines/rules, permissions and official content.
>Permissions
People misunderstand what cover does here. They think its just sending off an email to the publisher/developer and them saying 'Sure you can stream our game'. This is not what cover is after. They are after written contracts detailing their talents ability to stream, have vods of and monetize both forms of content, hopefully in perpetuity but will negotiate shorter timeframes if that is unacceptable. Rockstar doesn't let the girls monetize, Nintendo has strict timeframes that permission is given, let alone the shitstorm around music played in games, just look at streams of rhythm games and the songs that need to be avoided. Its never as simple as an email.
>Things cover absolutely does
Apart from the aforementioned, cover handles merchandise creation, sales and related contracts, sponsorship negotiation and contracting, use of their facilities and staff for special streams, concert negotiation, music production negotiation, promotional activities like as the Atre stuff, the iphone and related cover software for display of their avatar, a small salary and personal managers that the talents can use for all kinds of tasks to make their streaming life easier (like Kiara literally going to her manager's house to stream from when she was otherwise unable)

I'm tired of typing. Try learning a thing or two about streaming and making money in the entertainment industry before being a retard.

>>9763636
Hello everyone.

I am Motoaki Tanigo, CEO of COVER Corporation.
Thank you for watching the live streaming of hololive production talents.

COVER corp. is a cutting edge 2D entertainment company.

We will take on various challenges this year as well so that you can be surprised and enjoyed.
Look forward.

Thank you for your superchats.

>>9763636
>What exactly is the purpose of Hololive management?

>>9764734
based.

>>9764734
Ame mentioned this was a last minute project. If she'd asked for help she wouldn't have finished in time thanks to bureaucrashit.

>>9764734
Yeah but tranny management bad!

>>9763636
>Bought the VR equipment for everyone
No she fucking didn't, did you watch her anniversary stream? Ffs this whole management useless shit is getting fucking repetitive and annoying

The only one who seems to do anything is Jenma. Enma seems to be the one who ruins everything (I swear to the rrat god she is behind Omega)

I like how Gura has gone from tip-toeing around management to openly shitting on them because even the biggest push-over in HoloEN has gotten fed up with their garbage.

>>9764734
thanks for dropping truth bombs for schizos

>>9764734
This
Management isn't useless, it's just that they already have their hands full with bureaucracy and other administrative stuff that is basically never perceived by the average viewer.
What Cover should do, I think, is hiring more people to actually help the girls in their job, for example someone to filter all the hate messages that they receive on social media, a dedicated technical support and other stuff like that.

>>9764734
t. omegafaggot

>>9766609
I don't know if the girls want to be managed that tightly but certainly a more extensive technical support crew would be a good investment. They're slowly expanding in just about all areas so things are generally improving but there's still bad apples at the company like Lamy's first manager they had to get rid of which takes a long time in Japan.

>>9763636
Hololive management is the reason EN is relevant, you stooge.

>>9766794
>like Lamy's first manager they had to get rid of
I can't find any information on this, can you elaborate?

Why are people pretending this isn't just an expensive hissy fit that HoloMyth aren't getting 3D models?

>>9764734
Fuck off enma and get permissions for Bioshock already

>>9763636
Amelia didn't do shit, anon. The artists did it for her and she takes the credit

>>9764734
Based, sane and business-pilled.

>>9763949
Well, yes, but they are still paying a bunch of people in management for seemingly no reason. If they are just useless money-grabbers, why would they do that?

>>9764734
We can't be having sensable comments here on 4chan.com

>>9764734
Very much this.
Despite their apparent shortcomings management does a lot of behind the scenes shit that the talents would have a difficult- if not impossible task or timeframe to handle.

>>9767029
May i know how exactly is this thanks to Hololive management? And if it really is, how did the same management have only a fraction of success with Council than they had with Myth?

>>9769182
>how did the same management have only a fraction of success with Council than they had with Myth?
Not the same level of hype as Myth because they were the first official ENG branch of Hololive.

>>9764734
Something something the best management is the kind you're not supposed to notice

>>9769182
Another reason would be that all the girls in Myth all had a pretty big online presence and following compared to the Council girls. So there were more fans to bring over for the Myth girls than council.

>>9764734

Shut up omegalul. Get a job.

>>9769661
Hey, isn't your normie key-jingler streamer live right now? Or are you just too busy with your social studies homework?

>>9763636
>Bought the VR equipment for everyone
Gura said the place she got her vr shit didn't include the straps for leg tracking implying she bought it herself.

>>9763636
Let me educate you on how the working world works outside of your mom's basement.
Management, manages things. They're the interim in a company between liaising things to make things happen.
It's a meme to shit on EN management but realize, America is fucking retarded when it comes to copyright law. They are not there to hold your hand which is why if they can't make something happen in a pandemic it's silly to complain about anything. If you weren't a holobronie tourist you'd realize they'd have gotten their 3D models by june, just like ID Gen 1 would have gotten it even earlier, but you know, pandemic that you Americans so readily act like doesn't exist.
>>9763794
Pandemic idiot, unless you live in Japan you CANNOT currently go there. The only exception was for the olympic teams.
>>9764015
So you mean besides organizing crossovers, running the company, paying the talents, literally setting up housing for the ones in proximity...I know America is a shithole 3rd world country but in civilized countries you do not consider that "incompetent", why do Americans always forget a pandemic is happening?
>>9764232
You do know contracts have things you can and cannot talk about right?
>>9764556
A-Chan is worthless to hololive, right? Because Omega is literally in the same position as they stated.

Seriously, I know most of you are autist but at least google shit before making butthurt claims.

>>9763636
>Bought the VR equipment for everyone
Proof? Why do Teacucks keep repeating this shit. Also since Ame is the one in charge she's the one that exposed the singing as pre-recorded

>>9763636
>this thread: Ame bought VR equipment for everyone!!!
>Gura on her stream: I bought my own VR equipment

>>9769960
Go back to work Omega

>>9770039
Audio quality was terrible so it's understandable but teakeks deifying her is pretty cringe.

>>9768124
3D models aren't as expensive as you think, cover would recoup the cost with 1-2 videos per holo

>>9763750
Do they? All i've seen so far was Gura mentioning that staff was complaining about her wanting a lot of game permissions, was there something else?

>>9769960

Another paragraphs long attempt at damage control. You are not gooing anyone omegatranny. You will the only one dying on that hill. No one on vt will defend you or our crumbling seat.

>>9770296
It is expensive to fly them to another country or to rent a space that most of the girls can't utilize. They added at least one more country to EN with gen 2. Decentralized en was a mistake. ID has a higher chance of getting 3D then EN.

>>9764734
>Japanese members have talked about cover sourcing new computers for them.
Then why did several talents start with potato computers and terrible mics? They have several months to get them proper hardware before the debut

>>9770639
Is this an actual question or do you just not understand how shit work in the business world..?

>>9764734
>corporate cuckery post from /hlgg/
>discord trannies (You)ing it
kek cover jannies really do moderate certain threads here, dont they?

>>9770552
>Decentralized en was a mistake.
I kinda agree, unless they are willing to travel together to JP often the 3D models will just collect dust.

>>9770552
We're in the middle of a pandemic, so:
>It is expensive to fly them to another country or to rent a space that most of the girls can't utilize.
Doesn't apply when the country is CLOSED to people flying in unless you already live there. Every girl that has a 3D model came from all parts of Japan (which yes includes having to fly to cover's office location) which means expenses aren't the issue because the girls also shared housing (covered by Cover) til they afforded their own place. Moona already explained Gen 1 ID was being flown out for their 3D but the pandemic halted those plans, like out of anything to wonder about, many of them talked about this very subject. Do your reps.

>>9770506
>>9770750
You aren't tricking anyone.

>>9770714
Am I not making myself clear enough or are you actually retarded? Yeah, I'm asking why did Mori have to debut on a laptop that could barely shit out 5 frames per second and Kiara was using a terrible (or terribly configured) mic for a month

>>9764734
lul. I hope you're just pretending to be a retard. You've said a lot to say that cover does nothing but try to be rent seeking kikes.

>>9764019
Ame said she commissioned all the assets herself.
The VR equipment I imagine they all paid for themselves with Ame and Ina troubleshooting.

All management did was not shoot down the idea and even then the okay came days before the due date when it was in planning for weeks.

>>9770839
look here, troon. you just radicalized two people with your post implying we're the same. you might or might not know if we're the same but both of us who you've tagged know for sure you're a cock sucking cover janny deflecting from your tranny management.

so thanks, I guess

>>9771091

>>9770839

Omegacuck confirmed chairman poo financed WHO shill.
Muh pandemic muh pandemic
How do you even function on a day to day basis when who countries somehow can. Go drink you 78th bucket of Corona booster.

>>9770838
>muh pandemic
Don't be retarded dude. Gura still says if. Moona says when. The problem is not the pandemic which will eventually end presumably.
Also cringing at japan not allowing travel while demanding other countries accept their gay vaccine passport.

>>9771192
HRT. now.

>>9764734
>legal issues, company guidelines/rules, permissions and official content
This could all be handled by one person, aside from official content.
What exactly is "official content" other than avatars and live2D, bgm, etc... the stuff that gets made once?
>written contracts detailing their talents ability to stream, have vods of and monetize both forms of content
Solved with boilerplate legal document with blanks:
_______ game to be streamed
_______ allow monetizing live stream
_______ allow monetizing vods
_______ allow in perpetuity, or allow until _______ date, whichever comes first
>Rockstar doesn't let the girls monetize, Nintendo has strict timeframes that permission is given
So those are solved and should only require boilerplate copypasta legal docs now, with the occasional twice yearly renegotiations for better terms.
>music played in games
Yeah, that is a longer list of emails that need to be sent with a different copypasta. Not that hard to write a program to fill in the blanks though.
>Its never as simple as an email.
Paid to schmooze. I guess it keeps holos from having to do that, which is nice.
>merchandise creation, sales and related contracts, sponsorship negotiation and contracting, use of their facilities and staff for special streams, concert negotiation, music production negotiation, promotional activities like as the Atre stuff
How much of this has actually been done, for EN specifically?
Merch: dakimakuras, nintendoroid, clothes, mugs? Some of which can literally be pasted into a website on demand.
Sales: Upload your EP to the itunes store, Amazon, etc. There are plenty of DIY publishers. Sales issues/returns can be handled by a dedicated portal such as spreadshirt.
Sponsorship: This is pretty nice, there is that Taco Bell sponsorship and I'm sure there have been others that I can't remember right now.
Use of their facilities: Not really relevant for EN yet. It would be nice though. But what exactly is the facility? A few VR mocap sets and an empty warehouse studio? Literally drive out to a barn in the country and buy some VR sets. Not a huge cost.
Concert negotiation: How often? That's another few emails, just pay someone a few bucks to write some for you. Not a huge expense either.
Music production negotiation: debatable, Mori knew kokorobeats beforehand and they would have easily come to an agreement. But it's nice to have connections, I guess. It's easier to make connections when you're popular though.
Promos: Yeah this is decent. Well, Hololive was at least smart enough and well known enough that EN's debuts went well. Though I kinda question their decision / timing on IRyS's debut. She's EN gen 1.5? And thus she isn't included in either group's official collabs. It's always Myth/Council +IRyS!1!1 I feel bad for her. Well, at least her subs are growing similarly to other ENs.
VTuber software: Plenty indies get this taken care of, and I daresay these two EN groups had enough experience and intelligence to fill in any gaps, if there were any. Uh, learn OBS for a week and copy someone's setup?
Personal managers: Probably the best cost to benefit of all of these.

Other than the auditions themselves, most of these categories could be firing on 4 cylinders instead of half of one. Is 3D really too much to ask for? They've been asking for 3D since literally their debut streams. It's not a new technology. I don't hate Cover but they could be doing more. New outfits are nice but they absolutely do NOT cost as much time or money as it might seem, with how slow they are to roll out.

>>9769960
Okay, Omega, I'll bite your bait. What does the pandemic have to do with any of this? If you are referring to the fact that the holostudio was used pre-pandemic, it sure seems like the EN talents found a viable way around that. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE HAD TO. Cover should have. If Cover has any honor, they'll at least pay the EN girls back.

>>9771481
>Is 3D really too much to ask for?
They do their 3D stuff in a studio, in Japan, which is disallowed flying into currently unless you live there. That is *literally* the stopping point of the Gens that are owed their 3D Debut.
>Just set up a studio in the US, ezclap
Unfortunately not how that works as much as people think it's just that easy.
>Just do Home3D like Nijisanji
This option is what's available and what they're already doing in a way.

>>9771792
Home3D is what I was going to say, and EN wants 3D more than they care about being in a studio together for it. VRChat kinda works. So there's no excuse not to give it to them. At this point there are fans who are more than willing to help create this stuff, it's just up to management to approve it.

How many artists out there are willing to create new 2D outfits at a low cost? How many are willing to do live2D for those? How many would make a full 3D model and rig?

Fans are willing to do much more than the average artist. At this point I'd like to see Cover take advantage of the millions of people that watch hololive. It's better than shafting their content creators for over a year and blaming it on "needing" to be together in a studio.

Get creative. It's possible, why not do it? Make your artists happy! Fuck, if you need a fuckin manager pay ME minimum fucking wage to coordinate this, take the costs out of holos pockets (NOT that expensive!!!) and I'll have it done in 2-10 hours per holo, and they will have their new 3D avatars within two months, maximum.

>>9772093
Yep, that's why they should just host a "competition" which is what other companies do to get fans/community to do the work for them basically lol. Honestly after the new outfits I kind of expect them to cave into the Home3D route as this pandemic isn't letting up any time soon for them to hit up the studio.

I kindof hate how the culture here is to keep trolling once you get the person so mad that they start spitting paragraphs of facts.
Like milk it dudes.
You just accessed the "im going to tell you everything" part of their brain,
but instead of milking that for all its worth you go
"ok omega" like a retard.

Its twitch plays pokemon all over again.

Imagine unirocally spending your free time defending a japanese company in 4channel

>>9772625
Imagine thinking anything is a defense because you don't know how to differentiate reality from defense because it doesn't fit your narrative.

>>9769960
>t. overpaid middle-manager

>>9772555
It's not trolling, the company has the capability of doing much more than they currently do, they earn a LOT of money doing it and are one of the most successful vtuber company in the planet yet
Considering all these things, what they currently do is the bare minimum and anyone defending them is just on the mindset that "they are at least doing something, they aren't useless guys"

>>9771792
>>9772524
Seriously, just look at MiHoyo. It's shameless and they pay their artists literally nothing (except fake in game currency). But they get shit done.

Why not give the top 10 artist finalists a ten minute phone call off-stream or something? Similar to kpop hi-touch events.

You might argue that the top 10 fan artists wouldn't do a good enough job. So take their shit and give it to a pro to touch up. It MIGHT save some cost that way.

If the quality is the problem, Ina can definitely fix any 2D problems. Hell, she could use it as content to fill air time.

Any 2D, 3D, and live2D art can be passed back and forth between artists and management, talents etc until the quality gets good enough for the stream. It might take longer but the designs will be tryhard-level good, and nobody's cat ears will be disconnected from their heads and nobody's faces will look like plates after rigging.

>>9772555
I can tell you one thing, if management is reading this thread they have enough time to go source art for their talents.

>>9772555
I don't care though. It doesn't take much to imagine what cover could be doing, but we already have plenty of evidence that they are pretty useless. I'm not and I encourage everyone else to not feed a fag anymore attention than they deserve.

>>9764019
Because I AM the FIRST of the en staff. What a fucking egocentrical faggot, so is safe to say that Omefag was the one that forced the girls to create the EN server, putting Coco in the no no zone and other incompetent shit EN mngmt has done.

>>9772969
And if the problem is that Cover doesn't want to spend another dime, then literally ask your fans to do it for you, for free. Someone will bite.
But that would make management look bad and like they aren't doing enough. Is that why they won't do it? If it's about hiding their output level, we already know.

>>9764019
>Troon-nonsense.jpg

>>9771481
Various permissions may take a lot of negotiations for some companies, and if it would be an official transaction between two companies, the other side might want to go for face-to-face meetings, much more so in Japan.
And apparently Cover's setup is pretty expensive, when Coco asked she only implied that it was more than the annual salary of the technician she talked to. They also make 3D streams pretty special so I'm assuming they don't want to debut a 3D model without some spectacle.

>>9768796
This is 4chan. Sensible things are a rarity here

>>9773032
>so is safe to say that Omefag was the one that forced the girls to create the EN server
Cover themselves made the decision for separate servers, just like Anycolor. Then there's the "combined server" but with the portal system separate servers mean little now. It's fine to hate someone you literally have no knowledge about, but you're basically using the logic A-Chan forced every talent to have a "1 month post debut collab ban" if you think they call those kind of shots.

>>9764734
Big if true.

>>9769960
>America is fucking retarded when it comes to copyright law
The US copyright law is good when compared with the rest of the world

>>9769960
>A-Chan is worthless to hololive, right? Because Omega is literally in the same position as they stated
Shut up Omega, you will never be as loved as A-chan

>>9763636
Ame specifically said that the help of her manager was invaluable in getting this set up, so I have no idea why you're asking this useless question.

>>9763636
I don't think she bought the VR sets for everyone, clearly Kiara and gura have different sets from the audio quality alone.

>>9773694
Because you have idiots like:
>>9773663
Just wanting to bitch about someone outside of the talents. This is what happens when schools are out of commission for too long.

Well all the Myth girls have especially thanked management both on their own celebration streams and the collab, so they must have done something. It's not like Cover can force them to say thank you for nothing, that's a ticket to doom.
I choose to believe the girls, not a 4chin schizo this time.

>>9772818
Anon are you seriously suggesting that they not pay artists for making 3D models just so they can rush them out as soon as possible?

>>9763636
Get permissions, organize collabs with people outside and even inside HL and check to see if certain ideas are possible.

Without Cover a bunch of these girls were nothing. Even if they're shit the girls owe them a fair bit.

>>9773214
>real world hates pedo troons
>4chan hates pedo troons
>plebbit and twitter retards like you glorify those pedos with complete censorship on your side
I'm afraid 4chan is the only sane site right now

>>9774858
>No one is talking about pedos or troons
>Tries to change topic to pedos and troons
>claims to be sane

>>9763636
Prease understandu. Cover only takes 50% of the talent's income. That's not enough to hire a tech guy.

Cover provides the valuable service of asking for permissions. PS: You don't need permissions to stream.

>>9774687
>The girls owe them
If there ever was a debt it's long since been paid.

>>9774937
>No one is talking about pedos or troons
they're the same thing
>>9774937
>doesnt actually reply to the question after getting BTFO on 4ch being the most sensible website right now
kek

>>9775074
Leave this board and seek help

>>9775211
who do you think needs help?
my dog which can differentiate between sex or a human which cant?

Are there any vtubers who play shitty old web games? Like toontown, neopets, second Life etc, club penguin

>>9774972
Being Ina is suffering.

>>9775567
Ina has a side job, she is fine and she doesn't care that much about SCs

>>9768439
Can't fire them unless Cover literally cannot pay their checks.

>>9775526
sorry fag anon-san we have to get permissions to allow gura to play swords and sandals 2, onegai understando

>>9775567
>Being Ina is suffering.
She barely ever reacts to SCs, and dropped doing readings as soon as she could; I think she should be very pleased with how much she's getting

>>9774272
yes maybe they'll be done before the end of 2022

>>9775567
her side job with chink funding gives her good money, fren
no need to worry about her

>>9774972
If they think they've repaid it then they're free to take the Coco route and leave. If they're sticking around then clearly they know more about the inside situation than schizos on 4chan and know that staying makes much more sense.

>>9774972
They lose some to Cover right? Still very good right?

>>9776219
It's more money than anyone will ever make. The reason they "owe" cover is a lot of the talents opened up they had literally nothing in their lives, not just being in debt.

>>9763636
Cover is known for having one of the worst staff in the industry ESPECIALLY the talents managers
And I'm not even talking about their more yab scandals like the mel one,they're just insanely incompetent and highly restrictive on everything they let them do. Pekora for example was setting up something for months and her manager shut her down and didnt let her do it which led to her breaking down in tears on stream

>>9777318
You do know that was mistranslation, right? This is why I hate clipfags (clippers), they take too many liberties.

>>9777387
What actually happened?

>>9777387
I speak JP, where was the mistranslation, cover janny.
the clipper summarized it well.

>>9777387
You are welcome to correct me then anon.

>>9773425
>The US copyright law is good when compared with the rest of the world
I love getting my channel demonitized cause a neighbor played a song and my walls picked it up. Man holobronies are RETARDED

>>9769960
BASED omeGOD blowing the fuck out of the hlgg fags, they hated her cause she told the TRUTH

>>9770714
anon half of the people here couldn't draw a crowd with a fucking crayon kek. what makes you think these neet faggots have any clue what a talent agency is like

>>9770714
>>9777807
anyone having contempt for 4chan or its culture cant be taken seriously.

>>9772524
>>9772818
>outsourcing the work it takes to design, draw, and rig a professional-grade live2D to unpaid hobbyists
>unironically suggesting we follow the work ethic of bugmen
Jesus fuck, were you the slow one at school?

>>9777891
>anyone having contempt for 4chan or its culture cant be taken seriously.
shut the fuck up you fucking newfag, it's a fucking imageboard not a roman forum.

>>9777895
>work ethic of bugmen
why is this wrong? am I missing something?

>>9777318
Did she start the prep work before asking for her manager's permission or something? Why would she spend months working on something without knowing if they were going to say yes or no?

>>9777930
you and your kind's retarded posts on 4chan will never touch 4chan culture. you and your troon friends can spam all the boards all day pushing progressive bullshit spouted by corporations and your govt, you wont make a dent because we can spot you redditors LARPing like regulars trying to rewrite history of 4chan.

and coming back to my first point, mocking 4chan and its culture and seething contempt for it and the regulars on it will always be your tell for "us". now spam some more how 4chan was always leftist and dilate.

>>9778053
tldr

>>9778120
ywnbaw
:)

>>9772818
>Seriously, just look at MiHoyo. It's shameless and they pay their artists literally nothing (except fake in game currency). But they get shit done.
Mihoyo does fan art contests and use the winners in light promo; what your suggesting would be to have fan art contests for character designs, which would be retarded.

>If the quality is the problem, Ina can definitely fix any 2D problems. Hell, she could use it as content to fill air time.
Ina doesnt work for Cover as an artist; she's already said she doesnt want to be involved with Vtuber model work while she's in Holo

>>9778143
keep seething about muh revisionist or whatever bullshit newfag watch more yummyrino youtube videos about le epic 4chan culture

>>9777891
Anyone taking 4chan culture seriously can't be taken seriously.

>>9775567
Yeah, so much suffering with only cca 72k per year. And let's not forget, that's not everything. Besides superchats, she also has memberships, and monetization through ads.

>>9763636
Management in every group is nothing more than handlers to keep their employees in line with company guidelines and to pursue company goals (mission statement) and make sure employees are actually productive. Not sure about JP but at least in US that's the case. And as bad as that sounds most employees don't do shit and would gladly just take the money without actually doing any work or else they'd be self employed. The thing about management is you don't even know they're there if they are doing their job right because everything is running smoothly, which could be because management is doing things right and/or they're staying the fuck out of the way of the actual productive people. In the case of Hololive the management should be doing nothing more than making sure their talents are comfortable streaming on time per their published schedules and trying to get sponsorships/ network for more exposure for the talents. It's also the same reason why that EN2 faggot manager is such an eyesore, he/she/it shouldn't be in the limelight AT ALL. Should be a background character so the talents get all the attention. So management not knowing shit about the industry they work in is pretty standard. Also it was probably better Ame handled it since some manager being the go between would've only hindered things.

>>9778418
I think I'll take the side of protecting babies and not cutting kid's dick off for pedo fantasies. glad we're in agreement, troon

>>9763949
cope and seethe rentoid

>>9776219
Yeah, they've earned a shit load. Youtube take 50% off the top, then Cover take 20%. So multiply the figures there by 0.3 and you've got their take pre-tax.

>>9778053
anon you seem to be taking a mongolian basket weaving forum way to seriously

>>9779797
could say the same to you and your kind malding about this site, we're just two sides of the same coin.

>>9778769
What's with this mixing pedo and trans stuff, though? How are those two related?

>>9780142
>troon acting dumb
hilarious

https://youtu.be/403pbL2P_oU

Amelia Shitson is a dumb cunt and ruined the anniversary with her bullshit.

I hope she gets killed by drunk driving which she things should be legal.

>>9764475
Omega is Coco.

>>9763636
>Shouldn't the management team be the ones to do all of this?
Why should they do this bullcrap nobody wanted to begin with? Management could host an event which it itself thought was worthwhile. Instead Amelia Shitson forced her 3DPD garbage so that is what we got.

The girls could have just made a relaxing collab, watched old clips and just look back at the past year. BUT NOO! We gotta have a retarded clusterfuck of these ugly models clipping through everything.

The fat libertarian cunt seriously needs to be run over.

>>9763790
>oh wow bravo for creating a clusterfuck and ruining the anniversary.
You people are cancer.

>>9780560
Lol, imagine

COVER = BLACK COMPANY
SHIT SHIT SHIT CANT WAIT FOR THIS COMPANY TO DIE
SUPPORT NIJISANJI IF YOU WANT GOOD AND RELIABLE MANAGEMENT

>>9780604
Amazing that you would prefer lazy react content instead of something truely new and original, scuff included.

>>9780666
You're a fucking autist, kill yourself absolute retard.

>>9780604
I get you like routine ban insipid shit, but others don't, fucking subhuman. Only a brain fucked autist would actually care about clipping, just try stimming and you'll feel better ok sweetie?

>>9764734
Oh hi Omega

Can I suck your cock and massage your balls?

You are SEEEEEEEEEEEEEXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

>>9773032
I mean, Omega is the one responsible for the creation of the HoloEN branch and is the one in charge of the whole operation. If there's anyone to blame here, it's Yagoo for giving in to Omega's request in the first place.

>>9763636
Their existence is pretty much only for the initial hololive buff.
The girls pays Cover 1/3 of their earnings to get 1mil subs in 6 months.

>>9764734
Troon hands typed this

>>9770398
iirc Kiara has, too.
Calli also has said that "We had no support"
And other members has said often that Calli and Ame are both workaholics. Which you could say indirectly they have to do shit management has to.

>>9770714
Are you dense? Last year companies bought tonnes of hardware for their staff to work from home, if Cover's whole schtick is being a tech company why the fuck can't they set their talents up with streamer-package.exe for brainlets.

I know they send them an iphone for the live2d, but unless you plan on doing nothing but zatsudans it's really not suitable.

>>9764734
>t. cover management shill

>>9764734
thank god there is a actual non retard that browses this board. Godspeed anon

>>9781866
When they talk about the time before their debuts it legitimately feels like 5 girls got dumped into a discord call and told to get shit done by Sept. 12, 2020.

>Kiara went to Calli's home (Pre-debut, this is just a person she had spoken to on discord a few times) to work on her loading screen animation. Not to the hololive office, not to anywhere else. Not to somewhere with company support, to Calli's house.
>Ame and Ina were on many occasions described as having been critical in teaching some of the others how to sort streaming shit out.
>Lots of them contributing work towards each other's debut, ie. Mori voicing Kiara's book debut, Ina drawing art assets and logos (Every holojp member has a logo, why the fuck didn't the company hire an artist to make them a fucking logo?)

The more we learn about Holomyth the more impressive it is that it worked as well as it did. Fuck management. I'm starting to think "Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates".

>>9763636
rrat: cover has a yt subscriber botnet that they use to pump up their channels

It's a combo of the jp holo fans who will sub to any and all holo channels plus sub bots

irl jp idol scene is yakuza connected and holo is a legal front

>>9782144
>I'm starting to think "Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates"

R. Ratman, I kneel

>>9769549
>>9769659

All this cope.
Council simply isn't as talented or appealing as Myth.

>>9764734
>cover handles merchandise creation
Why was the EN1 anniversary merch so shit?

>>9782144
>I'm starting to think "Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates".
Now this is a good rrat.

>>9782144
>"Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates".

>>9782144
>I'm starting to think "Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates".

>>9785349
>>9785234
>>9783944
>>9782242

I am the rratking. Even facebook knows I have a rrat problem

>>9763949
What do you think capitalism is? Maximum profit at minimum work.
Just wait until all the companies merge and create a monopoly, since that is natural end game of capitalism.

>>9786146
mnagement bda

>>9786469
Battle Damage Assessment?

>>9782144
>Fuck management. I'm starting to think "Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates".
nice one

>>9763636
Clearly you do not listen. Ame is the hands on type, such as wanting to be involved in the development of a Hololive game.

>>9782144
>"Jenma" is Kiara's way of saying "Gen-mates".

>>9767852
She talked about it on a member stream. Her first manager told her she shouldn't collab outside her gen because she doesn't 'fit' well with them or some kind of bullshit. Lamy, being the massive holofag she is, was quite upset and asked senpai for advice. Towa told her to ignore the retard (in nicer language) and to get them replaced. Incidentally Towa is on her 3rd manager if I remember right and seems to have a good working relationship and is pretty happy with them.

>>9777936
>am I missing something?
A brain

>>9763949
>Adam Smith never wanted this.
glad to see someone who know their shit
he literally explicitly denounces it in on the wealth of nations

>>9768439
its not just cover, every company does this and is 80% paper shuffling middle management
in a sense we no longer live under capitalism but under managerialism, where most people are simply not needed for baseline production, but there still exists a structure for people to compete for status and power
this is helped by the fact that production now has moved beyond physical goods and into the realm of *sign production*, base production is only a tiny fraction of gdp and is getting replaced by the production of bullshit
read the managerial revolution by burhham
read baudrillard

>>9763636
Ask Mel.

>>9777673
the youtube automated copyright system isn't the same as US copyright law retard

>>9763636
>What exactly is the purpose of Hololive management?
1) modding the antis
2) blocking or at least cancelling the best ideas
3) getting paid

>>9782442
They offer the girls options for their merch then the girls pick whichever they like the best. Various JP girls have mentioned that in merch meetings both talent and managers bring ideas for merch.

>>9764734
Hi Omega. Or Kiara.

>>9782144
Lamy said the same thing happened to them. The only reason they probably do this is to make them talk and work with each other. They probably don't want a repeat of gen 1 where they barely talked to each other.

>>9769960
This is why Nijisanji management is far better than Hololive management and also fuck off omega

>>9782231
Its even a rat anymore, it's real
As for JP idol, it's kinda true hence why idols in JP would suffer if they reach at the age of 25

>>9764734
>VRChat is not an area cover has much expertise in.
Nigger, any 3D vtubing app accepts .vrm, the same format as VRChat

>>9763949
Dangerously based post.

>>9764734
Actual astroturfing for damage control. Fuck off.

>>9782144
I really wish we could see these girls working together even after hololive, whatever they do together it just oozes SOUL...

>>9764734
interesting to hear

>>9771481
t. NEET thinks he has things figured out

>>9778730
This person understands business

>>9763949
Someone's angry they don't have any ownership of their own.

>>9778053
contempt for "4chan culture" mildly predates the 4chan culture you think you're defending, which was invented following Chanology and exodus from Gaia/Digg
you don't know the dialect and you don't know what you're doing here, you aren't even a third wave immigrant so much as a poser

>>9764734
under 18s and dramafagging tourists utterly btfo

>>9782144
>Kiara went to Calli's home

I'm pretty sure they fucked. I'm fapping to the thought right now.

>>9781866
Kiara has mentioned before that she funded her music out of pocket. I know she isn't a vsinger like IRyS, but like... really? No financial support from the company?

>>9803689
My parents own a house on one of the most expensive districts of a global city, so my family is fine. I don't really care about inheriting nor want to. I just think it's all bullshit.

>>9763949
Get a job

>>9805665
I'm already making well into the six figures, as well as shaving almost a decade off towards FatFIRE from making a few good option plays in the market.

Ironically, the current equities, crypto and housing market over the past year was what made me disillusioned.

>>9763636
Manager's aren't obligated to coordinate every stupid little pet project the streamers come up with, they've got more important shit to do

>>9805973
Traders are fucking scum, get a real job

>>9803743
>history rewrite by a troon who came here after Trump
:)

>>9803743
Chanology was gay and so are you, fuck off

>>9806040
>1 year anniversary of some of your most important chuubas, arguably most important gen ever
>Petty project
Why am I even replying to obvious bait

>>9806224
>arguably most important gen ever
Kek

>>9803743
>contempt for "4chan culture" mildly predates the 4chan culture you think you're defending, which was invented following Chanology and exodus from Gaia/Digg
This pic is from 2004.

>>9764734
>Cover will do this at the talent's request, any equipment really. Japanese members have talked about cover sourcing new computers for them.
Oh. Then they won't have any issue with reimbursing Ame for all the VR equipment she paid with her own money and finally get her a 3080?

>>9804700
Yeah.
Basically every Hololive MV has been paid for by the girls themselves.

>>9764725
This. At least in Gura's case she has a 1+ million sub alt account to fall back on.

>>9806448
No and yes. The talent still needs to pay for it otherwise cover would take it back when they graduate. If she asks them to get her a 3080 they will try to do so, they have connections with shops in Japan.

>>9804700
Well of course. Cover can get away with it, so there is no incentive to provide any support.

>>9764734
>Permissions

The only reason there needs to be permissions in the first place is because of Cover making money off of all of this. This is the equivalent of Biden pulling out of Afghanistan without a plan and then saying the only reason they didn't get everyone out was because there wasn't time.

>>9806677
such a NPC post.
Biden had no plan because the Afghan army sucked beyond any expectation.
No one thought that the Taliban could take Kabul that fast, so of course there is no plan. It's not like America is the only country with no withdrawal plan.

>>9763636
Management supports the talents and allow them to stream without dealing with the hassle of technical stuff like permissions, sponsors, etc. They also come up with fun collabs, events and lore that improves the talents.

>>9806123
I already do. That real job is the six figures I was talking about. Trading was just a side thing.

>>9777318
mel scandal?

>>9807603
lurk 5000 years before posting.

>>9777895
some hobbyists are very good these days

>>9778730
So you're saying managers should be freelance contractors not salarymen

>>9806942
>retard trying to derail into politics with a fridge-temp IQ take so he doesn't have to answer for Holo management's incompetence at securing permissions, something Niji does all of the time with much less hassle.
nice try lol

>>9807603
Yes, Mel has a boyfriend, me

>>9809723
because Niji doesn't open SC when they stream game that they don't have permission.
SC is a big income for Hololive, no reason to not have it

>>9763636
>Bought the VR equipment for everyone
this rrat again

>>9764019
>aS I aM The FiRsT StAfF oF En
Piss off troon

>>9809723
Maybe if 90% of holo girls weren't greedy whores they could play more games, the only few good ones are like Pekora, Miko or Noel who will play games with SCs turned off while other girls will never play anything they can't monetize

>>9764734
>and VRChat is not an area cover has much expertise in
??? The company that makes 3d avatars in unity can not make a 3d avatar in unity? What kind of retarded logic is that?

>>9780765
>GOOD AND RELIABLE MANAGEMENT
I know Cover can be bad at times but that's like prefering aids to cancer.

>>9780142
Literally every last tranny is a nonce.

>>9780666
Kill yourself.

>>9764734
You're wrong. Cover does absolutely nothing except steal money from their talents like all capitalist pig companies do. Stop using facts to destroy my narrative, chud.

>>9763636
they draw paychecks.

>>9804700
>>9806643
Are you implying... they do it for free ?

>>9780666
get a rope no one is being cancer

>>9763949
dont listen to retarded teenage libertarians
you're absolutely correct

>>9782382
your bait is weak and you should either try harder or actually contribute to the conversation

>>9818980
>Source: My ass

>>9804108
>both stressed out but excited
>kiara drinking Calli's wine so she looks cool to her new colleague
>"H...hey.... why don't we have a relationship... you know....pheonix.... grim reaper's intern... kinda cute, right?"
>"OH WOW, BIG UPS KIARA, THAT'S COOL! OK, GET ON THE BED MY GUY!"
>"No.... no I meant in character... pls, you're.... you're hurting me..."
>"OOOOOOOOOOH BABY THAT'S WHAT I'M HERE FOR! GUH!"

Shortly after leaving Calli's house the next day, Kiara DM's Watson asking what a "big up" is.

>>9822575
_________BIG UPS________________

>>9805973
>real job
Let me guess: software development? IT? Or some kind of sales management racket?
If you had a “real job” you wouldn’t feel disillusioned with your own success. You chose to live in clown world, not the other way around.

The management is there to collect their cut and force graduate if they get too out of line (i.e. upset China).

>>9763949
Fuck off you underage commie. I fucking hate you retards that try to equate retarded jap ideas of management and seniority into MUH CAPITALISM BAD, FUCKING THE LANDLORDS GIB ME GIBS
>>9820268
No he isn't you dumb nigger, you don't understand how any of this shit works. Take a fucking economics class not run by a tranny some time, T. Major in econogrinomicons.

>>9827735
sounds like corporate mandated whore to me good sir, now if you excuse me I have to go get some starbucks where I masturbate into the coffee and drink it.

>>9769960
99% survival rate.

Holy shit I fucking love communism
Also please call me she/her

Sounds like any other management in the world.

What kind of utopian work environment you have that you have experienced good management OP? And are they hiring?

>>9763636
Main issue is management aren't familiar with vtuber's job at all, so they blindly follow a list of incompatible idol policies, which do more harm than good.

>>9826957
>If you had a “real job” you wouldn’t feel disillusioned with your own success
tell me you're unemployed without telling me you're unemployed

>>9833878
I don't know you tell me neetfag suck off his mothers malk tits

>>9763636
I mean...Every single member after the gamer gen were all more than welcome to NOT attach themselves onto a successful company and have hundreds of thousands of subs before they even debuted and have lightning fast access to supahs, models, and the like.

But they didn't.

>>9763636
managment engages in sexual activity with the talents to keep their stress levels down but also keep talents in on their good side.

>>9763949
>new holos getting 200k pre-debut
>fucking Cover leeching off creative geniouses

>>9764019
>MEMEME
What an insufferable faggot

>>9822047
I identify as the truth so that makes it true. It has to be.

>I identify as the truth so that makes it true. It has to be.

>>9836708
Hey tranny! I see you're working overtime, but unfortunately for you that still won't make you human.