/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

thread is dead compared to holoen anniversary

we're all gonna make it

except you, you know who you are

>>9699384
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i spent like 5 days just choosing the color scheme of my redesign and i finally landed on something i like but i just got my covid jab and everything is pain

i want to stream but i don't know what

if you aren't streaming at least 30 hours per week are you even trying? wake up sheeple

>>9701308
Anything.

>>9701398
you really shouldn't be streaming so much. it's more important to network if you are looking to grow.

>>9701569
shut up retard

>>9701674
post your numbers

>>9701569
Networking helps to grow more than simply streaming, uploading, and hoping for the best. How will anyone know who you are?

What's the best way to start for somebody with absolutely zero experience and money? I wanted to make a model to use when I stream to my friends, but I'm not sure where to start

>>9702005
go look up a guide on how to stream with OBS. replace webcam with a png. get started making content, but don't be an idiot and try to grind 40 hours of weak content. listen to other streamers who have done this before and gotten some amount of success.

slugma - do regular and consistent streaming reps and flex your talents. if you don't have a talent, you're just retarded. everyone has a talent but you're too blind to see it from your own pov. stream for a while and make your talents come out.

randon - rewatch your vods. find when you stopped talking and start figuring out ways to maintain audience engagement. if you have chat, ask yourself what you could have said better, how you would have delivered it better, any write that down for next stream. turn everything into something that's potentially clippable.

yozo - make sure your audio settings are absolutely spot on. voice should be in yellow on OBS and game should be in green. as a vtuber, your voice will carry everything. your emotions, your feelings, your personality. work on clearly speaking and letting your voice carry.

>>9701994
marketing like any normal person does
find ways to innovate
seizing opportunities for new content as quickly as possible
actually watching high number non-vtuber streams and taking lessons from them instead of copying what every <500 viewer indie is doing???

you know, shit that regular twitch streamers to grow

>>9702229
>actually watching high number non-vtuber streams and taking lessons from them instead of copying what every <500 viewer indie is doing???

This is where everyone fucks up. If you're seeing something "new" a big vtuber is doing, odds are it's because they big people they watch have already done it. Phasmo, hot tub memes, certain game shows, those one-off trendy games. All done by big streamers first.

I'm actually surprised no vtubers tried to capitalize on Jump King. Tens of thousands of eyes were on that category for the first week or so.

any recs about 2dlive models comissions artist?

>>9702397
>I'm actually surprised no vtubers tried to capitalize on Jump King.
that was a year ago, anon. it wasn't until December 2020 (3-4 months after HololiveEN debut) did we start seeing large numbers of western vtubers pop up. sure, there were vtuber fans from JP Holos, but the big surge of western vtubers didn't really come about until well after the Jump King craze had ended.

any tips on how to network?

>>9703086
>vtuber asset trends
>make a meme video that goes viral
>do something unique with your model and or rigging
>tweet substantive material out
>make sure your tweets always have some kind of media attached like a pic gif or short clip
>don't fall for "drop your PNGs" baits
>use hashtags correctly
>expand your audience out and don't just limit yourself to #vtubers
>make sure you have content other than "going live" notifications from Twitch

>>9702644
>that was a year ago
No, it picked up again this year with the update just last month. Every big streamer was playing it. Forsen, Mizkif, Ludwig, XQC, all the massive ones. Eyes were all over the cat.

>>9702223
not the anon you were responding to but, I've done a shit ton of self reflecting, and I can't find my talent other than being slightly above average at video games. If I don't have something I feel I can capitalize on, should I try to develop a skill first?

>>9707753
looks like something that came out of chernobyl

>>9707786
if you think about it, what are talents in the first place? arent they just skills?

all the people who stream and you perceive to be talented spent many hours developing themselves as well, they may or may not be "naturally gifted"

so my advice, find something youre interested in doing outside of video games, you can essentially stream learning a new hobby in real-time

>>9707786
Talking is a skill! A very valued skill for streaming, at that. I recommend practicing speaking about the games you play. Try to make bits out of random things, go out of your way in gameplay to look for fun or silly things to talk about or do. You might need to force it at first.
It takes some practice for it to come naturally, but the more you do it, the better you'll get. It also generates more in-jokes for your community!

I have an irrational fear of saying a slur on stream even though im not the bigoted type

>>9708118
I guess it could be like all the Duolingo streams that vtubers did, but for a different skill. Thanks for the advice anon

Not a Vtuber (yet), but my channel just hit 10 subscribers so yay! Just wish that my English gameplay clips actually gain views and not just the Japanese ones though, kinda make it feels like I wasted money buying a game twice

>>9708798
[Spoiler]Drop your link and I'll make that 11 subs[/Spoiler]

>>9708838
I appreciate the offer but that's alright, anon. I want to see how my natural growth can go, and posting my link here would be technically off-topic since I'm not a Vtuber. I'll shill my link when I do become a Vtuber in the far future, also Ctrl+S for quick spoiler is your friend.

>>9708838
nice spoiler its ok sometimes ctrl+S fucks up

Anybody got tips for a karaoke stream? I'm planning on doing one when I hit 50 followers. Its pretty far off, but I wanna start planning ahead.

>>9702229
>actually watching high number non-vtuber streams and taking lessons from them instead of copying what every <500 viewer indie is doing???
This is why you look at the low end streamers, see what the 5 viewers with technical skills are doing, and then copy (((them))) instead.

The other reason you should be watching small streamers is it's a LOT easier to see mistakes than explicit things that are good. If you can find something bad someone does, and just not do it, that boosts your 'skill floor', even if it doesn't actually improve the rest of your stream.

Can I get some feedback on >>9636109, please? Do I have a chance of becoming a singer?

Fuck it, my new job is slow enough that I can dedicate a good chunk of my week to streaming. Sounds fun. On a scale from "radio" to "silent film", how's my voice sound?
https://vocaroo.com/1my9dXbbib4s
Assuming that when I do the real thing I don't have such loud white noise in the background

>>9710057
I approve of it, clear and smooth with a nice richness to it.

would be even better if you have a good quality mic setup.

>>9710205
Yeah my ~9 year old snowball blue probably won't cut it in this day and age, huh

>>9710239
Depends on your stream environment, having the proper OBS filters and being in a quiet room with no echo or other random noises will take a snowball far.

Otherwise I'd say you should splurge a little bit to upgrade, since your voice can be one of your main strengths that people immediately notice.

>>9710316
Aw geez you're making me blush. If it's that good, then yeah I'll shop around for something a little nicer and work on getting my environment better suited. Right now my snowball is literally sitting on my desk with no pop filter and no stand lmao

If you're not picky about design and just want something polished, you can always go for adoptable. I see a lot of good designs just kinda go for next to nothing. You have to wade through droves of Furry art if you decide to go this route, but it can be worth it. This is a rando one I found that ended up only being 70 bucks.

I think I am giving up. My family ridicules me for not making money through streaming constantly to the point what made me happy makes me apologize and I literally have a breakdown after and before every single stream.
I can't go on, anons. I only live on a thought I will get accepted, actually get paid and this will count as a job. But it keeps being worse, I legitimately think I have to either kms, or give up and then kms anyway

>>9712318
post your stream and I'll give you some proper tailored advice, also fuck your family for not bothering to help you with potential alternatives

>>9707753
My format: I have no format, I am a renegade. Lost on the net. ReBoot!

>>9712318
Don’t give up anon, nothing worth having comes easy!!
You’re gmi!

Post a vod or something and let us give you pointers.

>>9712330
>>9712468
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCydpJyhN0XOsoQmsxKe9-Cg

Anyone done any super-long streams, and got advice? I'm planning next celebration/subathon, and chat seems to really like it when I do marathon sessions... But the game that was suggested has an average time of 24 hours.
I'm still gonna do it, but it's gonna suck major balls. Any prep I should do?

>>9712318
Very few ever make it, anon. If you want to make it as a job, you're gonna have to suffer through the shitty bits too. It sucks, and I'm sorry, but if streaming makes you this stressed, maybe it's worth stepping back, taking a break, and coming back in a week or two? But fuck your family for not supporting you

>>9712554
Watched some bits. Sorry if this sounds mean.
1 - Consider moving to twitch, slightly better discoverability, and much better monetisation
2 -Personally, I found your BGM choice and volume bad (I went into Comfy Sunday Stream). I am actually autistic, and can get overstimmed, but generally I'm just slightly more irritated than completely out of standard It's very plinky music, with singular notes being struck, which is find as an intro, but for during the art, isn't great. Also, it's a bit louder than I'd expect for BGM in comparison to your voice.
3 - dead air. I did jump around the VOD, but from 1:12:55, you have ten seconds, then humming, but not to the BGM, and 20 seconds until "h'okay", another few seconds, then some (Polish?). 1:13:45 "bananana", 1:13:50 "h'okay, (more Polish?)".
This is a major problem. I watched the start, too, and you don't state clearly what the stream's doing - "Okay, today we're going to draw, I have the best idea" and then humming. Again, personally, I write a short intro script to start my stream off, and then launch in quite quickly. Here's another art streamer. Admittedly, she has a larger and more active chat, but watch as she talks through everything until someone types in chat, and that she just fills the air, even when she's doing the art?
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1145496658
This is also an idea for what I'd consider good BGM
4 - Your model defaults to sad eyebrows. I don't like that, but I like the rest of the model.

>>9713119
I tried taking month-long breaks even, but I feel like it doesn't really help... I feel like this will be an issue until I move out, honestly.

Thank you for advice!! Lemme try to anwser
1. I try to do some streams on yt, some on twitch, but for now I did a few only on yt, going to stream on twitch again too soon
2. I will try to tune it down, thank you! And it is true I might need to comission a new audio after all, I was kinda thinking about it but don't want to be rude to person that made it orz
3. I actually didn't know my OST was on the whole time when I was humming orz and yes, I did speak some Polish when I was talking to chat, I try to do multilinguar but I might be a little too all over the place? And I never noticed I had so much dead air, thank you!!
4. I think it's the issue that overally VSeeFace considers my face as sad most of the time, I tried fixing it but without much change, I will try again, thank you
These are actually valuable advices!

(heck maybe I should just go full menhera instead of venting here)

>>9713462
If you want free bgm, then there's a few different options. I use Pretzel, which has vocals on/off, swearing on/off, and Youtube/Twitch safe on/off, so you can keep it in the VODs without worry :)

>>9712554
Good grief I haven't seen something this aggressively girly in years. Not a bad thing, I'm just shook that I haven't seen anything like this sooner.
The other anon has some good points, so based on your circumstances, I'm just going to cover some extra ideas you could go with moving forward:
>Make shorter videos, not streams
The number of +1 hour stream archives is very intimidating, and the short videos are not very substantial. Grabbing an audience as a small streamer needs short-form or "impressive" content that grabs people's attention immediately and tells them enough about you that will make them want to subscribe, and then eventually start catching your streams. This is also a good way to spend less time streaming if you need the time off while keeping content output. Some things you can do are highlight videos, clips, music, memes, etc. I don't know enough about the people of Poland, but maybe you can try to appeal to your countrymen too in some way? Can you make pierogi into a meme?
>Your current model needs some serious polishing
Right now, it's in fullbright mode and kinda painful to look at, and the ridiculous size of the wings probably get in the way having a good stream layout for gaming since you've scaled it down pretty small in your latest Genshin stream. I'd even suggest moving back to your first model in the meantime. If you're worried about your streaming success, it needs to be cleaned up or replaced outright because I can see people getting turned away from the level of jank. Some proper lighting would go a long way, just baked into the textures or something, I imagine it'd be cheaper to get someone to add baked lighting to it instead of remaking it from scratch.

>>9713696
Thank you!!

>>9713801
Aggressively girly? @@ I will take that as a compliment I guess-
I will try with shorter videos, I was working on stuff like covers or something! It is true, I just realized I made only one meme video, wow I need to work on that

About wings, I used to have magnifying glass and I am thinking about going back to that. It was kinda less-saturated, too?

I think I might have gone too much with bright colors, I just really tried to get rid of all black to make it as happy-go-lucky and bubbly as possible haha

>>9712554
I agree with the other anons the audio balance is alll over the place. The game is the same sort of volume as your voice which super confused me when the characters in the genshin stream were talking.

I think doing multilingual streams is fine! But you should repeat what you said in Polish in English too. I spent quite a lot of time being confused ahaha.
Also yeah you have quite a lot of dead air in here. You need to practice just talking about what you’re doing constantly, even if it seems trite or boring.

I think you have potential!! You’ve got a nice voice and your streams are comfy but it just needs polishing up a little bit to be the best it can be!

>>9714237
For future reference, Lighting and shadows don't have to "darken" the model, it just needs to be a shade that contrasts with the rest of the colors gently and visually separates the elements, and you keep things looking cute with the right color choices in that way. You can see how gentle the hair looks in this art with a nice fade, it makes the hair look purple and not black, so its still all really bright.

>>9714542
Thank you so much!
I will do my best to improve, especially with dead air. I will also try to check, it might be that my monitor has a little less saturated colors so they appear oversaturated for others? I will dig into that more.
More advice still welcome, I want to give it my best shot and never have to apologize for doing what I love again

>>9714901
You are absolutely right, I will try to improve that as well! Maybe make another overlay, to make it soft and light, less saturated

>>9715047
Can you make your stuff be more anime-styled? There's a place for creativity, but if the type of things you are trying aren't working then maybe you should orient to what has worked for other people?

>>9716113
wait, is it not anime-styled enough? @@
how to make it... more anime-styled?

>>9716196
Don't listen to that anon, remember that there's hundreds of 2 view indies with anime style, anime is not anything special at this point.
Just make what you have right now look a little nicer.

Is using a voice changer that bad? I wanted to try voidiol. I don’t really plan on singing either.

>>9716714
voice changer is always noticeable so its up to you especially how you bring it up when people inevitably ask

>>9716714
please just modulate your real voice, it will sound so much better

>>9716714
you can just adjust the pitch of your voice with certain vst plug-ins
a lot of people here will REE about it but they don't actually notice when it's just a slight pitch increase or decrease and not a full out voice changer

>>9710057
lmao, It's obviously not perfect like the people that have shelled out hundreds for the perfect xlr + interface setup but it's good enough that it isn't "shit tier", also the fact you got me to laugh a bit is a bonus in my book

>>9717138
>you can just adjust the pitch of your voice with certain vst plug-ins
you can't, there are no VST plugins for this.
Compressors don't do this
Suppressors don't do this
Noise Gates don't do this
EQ simply raises or lowers the gain based on frequency

>>9717574
anon please... there are other vsts for OBS than reaplugs Google is your friend

>>9717814
and you end up with shitty voice changers again.

>>9717848
I can guarantee you don't notice most of the people shifting their voice slightly
Only the men trying to sound like women and vice versa sound shitty because it's such a drastic change to process in real time

>>9710057
audibly keked like 3 times, go for it anon

>>9717814
>>9717848

Well which vst is the best one? I have a more androgynous voice so I was just hoping to modulate it just a bit.

>>9719294
I would just use graillon and stay within like + or - .3 whichever way you're looking to go or it'll be too noticeable and turn up the formant so it keeps more of your natural tone

Is the built in mic on an iPad 7th Gen good enough for an audition?

>>9722474
you're gonna need some good sound treatment. if you're auditioning, take your recordings in your car or a cramped closet with a lot of clothes to absorb echoes.

>>9722474
I don't think so anon.. you don't own a laptop or a pc?

>>9722845
i do but no decent mic right now, also i wanted to act a character but i feel really embarrassed when i have four roommates... i tried recording but i just feel so cringe and embarrassed knowing they can maybe hear my stupid concept and me roleplaying

>>9722980
Honestly anon, you should try going indie (cause I assume you only wanted to audition, and never streamed) its a good practice and then when you improve try to audition

>>9723126
auditioning is less scary than doing a full on stream with no experience. I'll just get bullied for being stupid and nervous and silent the whole time

>>9723179
But you're competing with thousands of applicants that have streamed for a while (some for years) If you can't handle smaller audience, then how will you handle big audience?

>>9723179
>I'll just get bullied for being stupid and nervous and silent the whole time
let's just say you get picked. what is your plan then?

>>9723266
I don't really expect to get picked or anything, I just want to push myself a bit and at least have it good enough that I'm okay with it. I have selective mutism and doing something like this is really out of my comfort zone and i guess it's just a self test maybe tabun. A short video that might not even be seen and I have control over is less daunting than streaming where I would just freeze off and not he able to talk. Baby steps

>>9690163
/asp/ you say

>>9723482
Ganbarou.

Auditions suck, being an indie sucks, I enjoy streaming but the fact that growth is like climbing a mountain is pretty discouraging.

>>9725104
just think of it as trying to rope more people into your bullshit like a snake oil salesman and its a lot funnier and enjoyable

>>9712318
Try slowing down the streaming and do it as a hobby. If you make it, you make it. Take your growth slow. You're not going to become irrelevant overnight as long as you plan and be consistent. You don't need to grow full time.

Don't stream 'as a job' until you're able to viably stream 'as a job'.

In the meantime, get a job that pays you. It can be part time. If the issue is money, then sometimes you just need to get out there and make money doing something you're less passionate about while you build on your goals in the background. Life, goals, and dreams aren't always doing the things that we consider fun.

Obviously, we're going to tell you 'don't give up' however, I think it's important to realize it doesn't need to be an 'all or nothing' attitude either. Your family certainly doesn't help, but having an 'all or nothing' is really harmful not just to your life, but harmful to your life as a streamer as well. There are going to be ups and downs. Streaming isn't a stable income. You'll need to learn to find new solutions and plan around things all throughout your career.

Balance your life.
It sounds like you need some therapy, and I mean this in earnest. Try to find some help websites that might be able to offer it at a cheap price, or free. It seems like you're bottling your issues inside and handling both streaming, and your family, in a harmful way. You need an outlet when going through complicated times.

>Have to put off buying a mic because my PSU died and that was all my cash
>Get handed a bonus for doing some repair work on the side just a few days after
We're in.

>be an indie
>just started
>wish I had genmates and people to collab with like hololive

Anyway to get over this feeling of sadness?

>>9727666
Make friends and collab with them

>>9727666
Look for other vtubers with similar game taste/ or you think are generally cool and collab with them after knowing them for a while?

>>9727666
i'll be your friend
my model isnt done yet though

I kind of want to go through all the shit in my steam library and slowly complete it all while streaming it as a vtuber. Just to give me excuse to work through my stupid fucking backlog

>>9727666
Any games you like to play? Odds are good someone else is streaming those, too. Reach out, chat with your co-indies, make friends. Not in this business yet, but odds are good they're just as happy to find another to take into the fold. Nerd out together about that game, and arrange something sometime. Maybe it works out, maybe it doesn't, but at least you have something mutual to talk about so that it doesn't feel as awkward to start with.
If you have 'em, post 'em here. Someone's bound to notice if you got something interesting cooking.

>>9727859
Its kinda the same to me. I haven't finished a game in a while, all I do is watch streams. I like to commission stuff too and kinda want to try and get a model just for the fuck of it

>>9727666
Connect with other indies and network with them? A lot of the chuubas that have posted themselves here have pretty much been absorbed into the large group of /wvt/ and it's adjacent chuubas and I'm pretty sure every chuuba there has been involved with some kind of collab or group project

>>9727866
I'm into a lot of games actually. I like to play games like Mount and Blade and Civ (both 5 and 6) I like some shooters like Halo and Cod. I would like to try to get into Apex as that's pretty popular with vtubers. I know it's kind of overdone but I like minecraft a lot and I wanted to do hardcore maybe once a week during my schedule. Platformers are a favorite of mine too. Honestly there's just a huge variety of games I'd love to play.

>>9728294
i'd do a m&b warband collab with ye if it were even possible

>>9727666
watching the HoloEN anniversary made me sad that i'll never have friends like that

>>9728294
For a second there I was worried you'd be into some real obscure stuff. Not that it's impossible to find collabs for those, just significantly harder. Apex and Minecraft you can get collabs pretty much anytime, but people might not take the bait as often due to the market being oversaturated. Minecraft Hardcore weekly might be worth doing, though; Minecraft Hardcore collab possibly?
Halo and CoD might be seeing an uptick soon enough, too.
The rest I don't think would work well as multiplayer, though if someone shows me a kino multiplayer Civ game I'll fucking kneel.
Flex that variety, anonchuuba!

>>9728498
(samefag) didn't even consider M&B, my game reps are fucked. >>9728381 right there is your ticket, go ahead and find 'em outside of /here/ and get that collab running!

can you guys recommend any good voice changers? I'd like to
have a slightly higher pitched voice

>>9728987
VoiceMod

>>9728987
it'll be noticeable and everyone will dislike it.

>>9728498
Yeah. There's a lot of games I want to do that hololive or Nijisani wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole.

I used to be a teamate sort of. I wasn't a huge fan of how passive aggressive Ame was getting so I stopped watching. I don't think she'd ever try the games I listed.

>>9728987
I cannot and do not recommend any. Just use your voice. Voice changers are noticeable and don't work very well.

reminder to not be crabby as fuck and say that vtubers more successful than you are talentless
thats the kind of thing that'll affect your personality as they continue to rise up while you sit there thinking you deserve more without doing anything

>>9730180
>say that vtubers more successful than you are talentless
literally no one has done this publicly unless they want to commit networking suicide

Daily reminder: nobody deserves anything. Your hard work gives no cosmic guarantee of success. Billions of lives toil away every day and come home with only scraps to show for it.

>>9730286
You're right, nobody is gonna bring it up publicly, but the bitterness is eventually rear its head into your content.

>>9730336
if you're taking screenshots of the discord convo, take all of them instead of just a couple of lines out of context.

>>9730180
This or just flat out complaining how they got lucky with their success. Being openly bitter and a numberfag is a way to make people stay away.

Had a really nice stream, really showed the importance of networking.

Had a friend turn up, and she'd evidently told some friends/done a shadow raid, because her oil baron came with her, and gifted everyone in chat a sub directly.

It wasn't even my most popular game, I just figured I'd give it another go now I'm a bit bigger, because it's sucked previously, and I needed to fill a timeslot.

Any chuuba with small, minimalistic wings? I need to see how they move to rig my model

>>9730526
If you're a girl you'll eventually have an oil prince or two in your career, you just have to deal with their parasocial issues though

>>9727859
no, don't be another fucking backlogger.
it's fine to spread outside your niche. i play mostly grand/strategy games (like civ, hoi, aoe, and so on), but i have one or two nights a week that ill play something else. i let chat vote on it sometimes.
people who just play through games they didn't finish aren't going to make it.
do the needful, and check you understand your games first.

>>9730437
its literally one line from the one person we all know sucks ass

>>9730669
I'm a 30 year old Br*tish m*le. Either he was flexing on me, or using me to flex.

Completely fine with either way, because she's 600 miles away, and he's around 100 miles from her.

>>9730680
this, don't backlog. backlog is boring.
you can replay some oldies and classics. a lot of vtubers have recently been playing or replaying Half Life 2 and Portal. classics are good. but just going through your steam library playing ancient games for the first time a decade after their release is boring and uninspired. viewers have no reason to sit and watch you play backlog games.

>>9730949
>sit and watch you play backlog game
The one thing I'd suggest, however, is to play classics.

Half Life and Portal are well-beloved by a wide range of people - they captured a chunk of a generation or two of fans, and they're still popular games to this day.

If you're a long-time fan, pushing for 100% completion, that might be interesting. Or if you're a 0% never played I did a one sitting Portal run through as a goal reward for chat, and they loved it, but I've never played it before could be fun if you chat likes backseating you. But you need to be adding something to the experience:
- New player - Makes chat feel superior
- Old player - "here's all the tips and tricks I have"
- Challenge run - "watch me suffer"
- Backlogger - "Yeah, just like last week, I'm playing a game I'm a third of the way through"

I'm planning a marathon session for my next follower goal, probably in a few weeks, where I'll be aiming to do a solid playthrough of another childhood classic. Online guides have a ~30 hour expectation to clear, but glitchless speedrun is 2 hours, so I'm expecting 24 hours is maybe reasonable. But I'm going to shill the absolute fuck out of it - reaching out to friends and collab partners from previous streams to ask them all to retweet it at different times, so I can bombard people's TL with it.

Is it just me or are Irl vs. vtuber trends in twitter the most stupid shit ever? You're killing the magic of being a VTuber with a different appearance when you reveal how you actually look, and more times than not it feels weird that you'd reveal your irl self so easily but also hide your appearance behind a model

>>9732598
I think this is a common thought, and that it's a seeded meme to try and force people out of vtubing, either by making people dislike it, or by doxxing themselves (like the facepic one a month or so back)

>>9732598
I disagree

are there any project for voice synthesis or neural network based voice changers that are good to a certain degree? i wouldn't like hearing my own voice so i'm thinking on working on one.
Most of the stuff I find are Voice to text to speech which rely on turning things to english which is stupid as fuck.

>>9732598
>You're killing the magic of being a VTuber with a different appearance when you reveal how you actually look

I think viewers like yourself are in the minority with this line of thinking, at least as far as EN goes. More often than not VTubing is just one of many different types of streaming sub-categories. Most people just see them as streamers with a virtual avatar.

> it feels weird that you'd reveal your irl self so easily but also hide your appearance behind a model

A lot of people I've befriended that were originally webcam streamers at some point say they just do it because they like it. Using a virtual avatar and having a persona or OC is genuinely a lot of fun.

Anybody know what visual filters Watson was using in her debut? Are those OBS filters or something in L2D?

>>9735151
where the fuck do faggots like you find this thread?

>>9735151
Nobody likes hearing their own voice except for certain aspies and narcissists. Grow up

Tsunderia manager with a tutorial on how to make schedules, for the aspiring vtuber who thinks it is acceptable to only do guerrilla streams at irregular hours (it is not)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJBWcSTbSLc

>>9736337
I'm guessing you assumed i was trying to get a female voice or something after I reread my post to see why people would get ticked off.
>>9736465
why are people so mean?
you guys are ok with avatars but not voices?

I assume it's because the first thing that pops up in your head is trannies.
I'm purely asking if there's already a solution out there so that i don't have to reinvent the wheel.

>>9732598
It depends on what you want to use the avatar for. People may have anxiety and stick behind it forever, some might just think its neat, and then you have people who want to hop on a fad and get the absolute shittiest avatar to make an uneducated video about vtubing or to get in a girl's pants, so on and so forth. There's legitimate reasons to hide yourself forever depending on your stream goals, but it's okay to to reveal yourself.

One of the main things to note is that there's a larger audience for non-vtubers than there are vtubers, because vtubing is still this weeby niche where people will dismiss you just for being anime aligned or the absolutely bizarre misconception that anyone who hides their face is always a weirdo, something that's propagated by shitty celebrity culture and the corporate push to publicize as much of your life as humanly possible.

>>9736634
There's tons of respected trans vtubers who don't use voice changers and a good portion of those don't have much voice training either.

People don't like voice changers because their weird and clearly artificial. It's like watching a movie with the audio out of sync. It's just not comfortable for anyone.

>>9732598
i started as a vtuber and intend to die as a vtuber. people just using it as a gimmick now and then won't last long and will go back to be webcam streamers once the hype dies down.

>>9736818
that's true, and that makes sense now. I am guessing there were a lot of people at some point who flocked to the thread with this kind of question which is why people suddenly lashed out.
there have been a few papers with actually good sounding generated voices though.
I guess I'll start cooking something up and see where that gets me.
Thanks anon!

>>9732598
I too think it's retarded, probably because i like more the Japanese type of vtubing that relies more on keyfab than the wester ''just a streamer with an anime avatar''

>>9736634
go fuck off to /g/ faggot

what makes a good clip on twitch?

>>9746496
Lots of things, but for an easy answer, think of a 3 panel comic. Premise, anticipation, payoff. Short and sweet.

>>9735151
i did some signifcant research into that, your best bet is some sort of audio recording system that can export into musexml and then export that into neutrino

Recently did my first stream as a VTuber.
https://studio.youtube.com/video/0nynFTKkwU4/edit

Admittedly it was off to a rough start considering all the adjustments I had to make at the beginning but I wanted to get it started before midnight else it wouldn't be 9/11 anymore.

Might start streaming again while playing Aliens: Fireteam Elite in about 10 minutes.

>>9754464
>youtube
ngmi

>>9754464
link the video not the studio link you dummy

>>9755063
https://youtu.be/0nynFTKkwU4

>>9754464
But 9/11 was 3 days ago?

>>9754464
Get off of Youtube, it's a waste of time

>>9757387
he's trying to bait edginess points

How can I get my twitch chat together with my youtube vods? I’m using OBS

>>9759028
you don't. stop using youtube.

I sent my phase connect audition like a few hours ago (around 7, I went to sleep) and I woke up to a view already

>>9690163
could you please stop including Vshojo if no one in the thread talks about it? it gets picked up by my filter

>>9760856
imagine being this insecure

>>9760892
how so

Any advice for what to do with my voice? https://voca.ro/15tnyha11PZ9
I sound like a fedora tipper, and I'm wondering how I should improve my voice? I know that I need to be less monotone, but I don't know how I'd do that without sounding over the top. Should I try to be a deeper voice? Higher??

>>9761626
you sound normal

>>9761626
you sound great dude, the fuck

>>9761674
this is your definition of great?

>>9762181
its a good voice for if someone has to listen to it for an hour during a stream or a long video, definitely one of the better males i've listened to

>>9761626
look up how to practice speaking with more inflection, varying the pitch in your speaking to convey your emotions better

this will help a lot trust me

>>9761626
You don't sound like a fedora tipper to me, it just seems like you're settling into a bit of a strained low tone/that monotone you're talking about. I think the best thing you can work on is a relaxed, natural delivery which can be really hard to accomplish when you're just talking to a mic. The reason people go over the top is that it lets them break the ice, get over their initial nerves, and gradually coast back down to whatever feels natural in addressing the audience. Obviously not talking about people whose entire character is screaming all the time, but the most common example of this is the scripted open. Anyone who has a structured intro, from talk show hosts to your oshii, is using that method.

Finally finished rigging my model, hopefully i can start streaming by next week

>>9762219
those males must sound like ass then

Since it's well over, I made it to the third round of audition for Wactor. Didn't make it obviously, but it was still pretty an interesting glimpse at the process.

>>9762678
remember to get yourself some hype on twitter first anon

>>9728987
any voice changer will do.
they all """work""" in the same way, just slightly changing the pitch up and down while making you sound like a robot tranny.
if you want to sound normal I would recommend you to look into voice acting. it will only take a few weeks for you to get somewhere.

>>9762942
Thank you for the reminder, how do i do that?

>>9762969
Do first PNG reveal, start networking with people, make some debut announcement with date and time and talk about it, make some memes about yourself and stuff to remind peeps about you constantly

>>9763163
ah, i am not going to debut though i want to do some practice streams first

I kinda want a shota vtuber, but I'm afraid of all the things that might go wrong. Would be considered "Pedo baiting", would mean no nsfw at all which would be out of my control

>>9763617
I would be the first one making you NSFW with big titty onee-sans. I plan on being open about being a shotafag too, i truly hate ironic weebs.

>>9763689
Its a recipe for getting cancelled

>>9763726
There isn't enough money in the world to pay me to kneel down to trannies. It's free publicity.

>>9762953
Any good resources on that?

I'm m*le, and doing a birthday stream with a few streamerfriends next week.

How obnoxious can I shill the fact it's my birthday without putting people off? Birthday hat pinned in overlay? Birthday in title/notification? At what point does it stop being a bit OTT shilling, and become annoying?

Every time I've caught someone's birthday stream, even if it's just being raided into them, I dono bits/subs, but I have a steady and well-paying job outside streaming.

>>9763436
Doesn't matter, just announce it that it's first stream and stuff, maybe draw some bigger but not too big indie (at like 500 follows maybe) if you can draw so they can hang out in your chat and will probably tell their viewers about it

>>9763617
I'm currently in the process of making a shota png, picrel is in my top 5 inspirations. I think the answer is to toe the line at the upper end of the shotacon age bracket, subtext is virtually unassailable and a design can read as "young" but not "literal fucking child" with the right visual cues or the right personality animating it. Maybe this is all massive cope, but I feel like VTubing is tapped deep enough into anime culture that you're safe until you actually call a character a child in some canon way. The loli HoloJPs are one thing, but Gura enjoys mainstream appeal in a western market with a cum jar on her desk.

>>9690163
lately I am starting to hate socialising with chat. it is like I am burnt out socially but I still want to talk. does anyone else get this?? I think I might make some lets play or something. So that nobody can talk back to me.

>>9765155
It's one particular user, isn't it?

>>9762969
Drag some attention participating on networking threads on Twitter! Personally I like having more than png to share, sharing artwork related to your vtuber helps get some reach as well.

do any of you ever wonder if you have gachis. I can't imagine anyone seriously being attracted to me but imagining an anime girl being the dumbfuck i am might change things

>>9767062
It does.

>>9767062
I wonder the same, haven't debuted yet but i had always had the trouble of autistic guys getting attached to me, i wonder if it will only worsen as i become an anime grill.

>>9767062
don't think too much about it and don't go looking for them. if it happens congrats. if it doesn't whatever.

>>9765155
Supergreatfriend steams his lets plays and just chats on breaks where he would cut for youtube

>>9727666
>just started
>collab
Networking is good, but don't go around thinking people will want to collab with someone who just started out and has little to no content to show for themselves.

>>9762320
The thing is, the voice you heard is just my regular voice that I use 24/7, so I'm kinda unsure as to how I would go about changing it to my natural voice, since I do consider that one to be my natural voice.
>>9762256
Thanks, seems just like what I need, I'll check it out.

>>9774311
you're not changing your voice, you're changing how you speak. go pick your favorite actor and watch tv shows or movie clips and listen to how they talk and deliver their lines.

>>9774911
none of those actors, be it movie or tv, talk like that in their day-to-day lives, it would be exhausting

streaming is fundamentally different

If you want to have better speaking ability literally just talk to other people more.

>>9775114
>talk like that in their day-to-day lives, it would be exhausting
>
>streaming is fundamentally different
no fucking shit, you only need to do it for 3-4 hours a day. you think Kongou sounds like that irl? no, but he puts in the effort for his character when streaming because he's an entertainer. no one wants to listen to another mid 20s white nerd raging at video games. put some effort into your presentation

>>9774911
Oh that's what you meant. I guess that's true, I definitely did try to make my voice a bit better since I knew I was recording. Yeah I'll try to talk with a more natural voice then, but I'm told by people around me that I am still very monotone, but I'll use the other anon's advice for that. Thanks

being monotone clearly doesn't matter when some of the biggest male e-celebs are chills and corpse husband who both have aggressively bad voices

>>9763689
>I plan on being open about being a shotafag too, i truly hate ironic weebs.
The lengths retards will go to trying to fit in, jesas

>>9775198
oh I hurt ur feelings on that one?

who the fuck is kongou, you? no one gives a fuck about ur 2view stream while you do DnD roleplaying thinking its entertainment

>>9775198
>you think Kongou sounds like that irl?
I wouldn't be surprised if he put on that fake voice 24/7

>>9775323
>feelings
welcome tourist

>>9775323
>who the fuck is kongou
oh no.
he's retarded.

>>9775198
3-4 hours? You really are just starting out.

That's fine, this is the thread for people like you. But don't go giving advice like you're some authority when you clearly don't know what you're talking about.

>>9775400
nice doublepost, fag. kill yourself "kongou"

>>9775413
His original reply is just pretentious, literally talks like a redditor.

>>9775413
so what's your advice, twitch partner chama?

finna

I'M HERE TO SAY THE WORD
I'M HERE TO SAY THE WORD

>/asp/
ngmi

>>9775662
HELL YEAH

I want to make a v-tuber who is 7 foot tall pro wrestler who is a former rape survivor, how would I go about doing this?

>>9775661
COME OOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>9775701
>wanting to make that kind of v-tuber
KWAB

Any recommendations for artists for redeem icons and emotes? I'm dyi-ing it at the moment but MS Paint isn't that solid as much as I like jank.

>>9775729
search on twitter

>>9775661
>>9775662
>>9775688
>>9775695
>>9775701
>>9775722
ding-dong diddly finna base

FUCK YOU JANNIE

would she make a good vtuber?

>>9775962
She'd just be called a whore and her fan cucks, so probably.

>>9776113
Io is pure and not for sexuals

DING
DONG
DIDDLY

>>9776145
Tell that to EVIL.

WEEEEEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLL IT'S THE BIG SHOW

>>9690163
Your Oshi? built for bbc

nani i uploaed my audition video but after a couple minutes it goes silent why?!

>>9776320
CM PUNK WHY DID YOU MUTE MY AUDIO
STOP HACKING MY COMPUTER PUNK
I KNOW YOU PUT A TRANSMITTER IN IT

>>9690163
ITS ALL ABOUT VIEWS
AND IF YOU CAN DRAW IT
ITS ALL ABOUT OSHI
AND IF YOU CAN SIMP IT

IM THE IDOL OF IDOLS

Bizased daddy

Have you followed his advice yet, /asp/?

>>9776592
NONONONONONNONO NASH BROS

>>9776626
NASH IS A BITCH YEAH
KEK WHAT A BITCH YEAH

*vroom vroom*

All this wrasslin makes me wonder what happened to Luchabro

ASP IS BACK

>>9776592
>92
OH NO NO NO NO NO NASHBROS

>>9776592
>92
wolfie...

>>9776592
>92
checked

im going to be okama vtuber

>>9776810
9776810 IS ALL ELITE BROS WE GOT HIM

>>9776810
you should be big knife manju instead you would draw big yen brother

>>9690163
>Dave, what did you think of the Collab?
>It was...you know...not really uhm good
>I'll say....HoloMyth and HoloCouncil Among Us Collab last night and boy, tale of two streamers. Kronii drew the most crowd reaction to calling out Imposter Mori, with some skilled deduction and the most fire we saw of her yet, as well as some jokes that got a few laughs from HoloMyth. But Mori just says 'Later' when ejected. You can tell Mori just doesn't give a single shit about this industry anymore, if she ever did to begin with.
>Yeah I mean, it was always kind of obvious since she uhhm didn't really have the kind of enthusiasm most other Holos have, but it was REALLY bad that Collab.
>You know ever since the Hachaama Collab, where she...just stone walled all of Hachaama's gimmicks and left her out to dry even more than Coco, I'm starting to think she realizes her whole attitude was done better by Kronii who by the way, unlike Mori actually...plays the games she claims to care about.
>I mean yeah..uhmm you know?
>DAVE SHE PLAYED ALL THREE ROUTES OF FATES, MOST PEOPLE DON'T EVEN PLAY ONE! Why? For the viewers Dave. When was the last time Mori did something for the viewers at her expense?
>Yeah I uhm, yeah have to agree
>Ever since she arrived Kronii has constantly proved more of a nerd than Mori, and surprise surprise, when your fanbase is mostly geek otaku, THEY GROW TO LIKE YOU MORE THAN THE ANTI-GEEK
>Well what about Kiara? She plays all kinds of games
>Yeah but she also clings to Mori like a lost puppy, if she dropped the lesbian gimmick that Mori herself has just given up on and clean up her narcissistic attitude she'd be A LOT better. Anyway, back to the Collab...Mori then ends her stream when Imposter Kronii gets everyone, and when she asked why no one listened to her, Kronii responded with 'Maybe put in more effort in your speeches than your failed rap career'. Kronii was then fined 500 dollars by Hololive management for being 'too aggressive and inconsiderate'

>>9776919
>doesn't cough once
IMPOSTER MELTZER!!!

>>9776919
kek BASED

>>9776919
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Who was the Michaels?

>>9777175
double michaels

>>9776842
It's a tear in the poster

>>9776592
kek raped

>>9776810
Never gonna make it with the wolves, kid

just realizing this probably all sounds like schizobabble to /vt/ posters who have never browsed /asp/ or /pw/

>>9777468
huh wat u mean

>>9777175
O-Khan is based as fuck.

>>9777484
u tell mi(ko)

>>9777468
yeah it's all schizposting to me, just unfunny spam desu senpai

>>9777468
Care to extrapolate?

>>9777519
what happened to slapjack?

>>9777521
nah u r

>>9777521
god forbid someone try something new

>>9777562
Rumor has it he is the reason Io stopped wearing her ring once Kairi went back to Japan

>>9777519
The ultimate crossover

>>9777550
extrapolate deez nuts

I applied! But it's close to deadline and I felt discouraged like maybe they found people already.. but I otherwise feel really good. It's nice to do things

>>9730152
I see this said all the time so I’d like to dispute it just this once. There are incredible voice changers that get used regularly in the film/TV industry to great effect but they are expensive, highly technical and require a full understanding of DSP. And if you’re asking people here for advice you obviously aren’t going to be able to use them effectively so there’s no point sharing. You’ll just waste your time/money and sound terrible anyways.
If you work in audio post-prod and have the skills to utilize these tools then you already know what they are as well. It’s a weird situation with the technology still but maybe in another 5-10 years it will become accessible enough for non-professionals to use.
All the free ones sound utterly terrible btw. Someone like Tomari Mari is using 3-4 diff premium hardware effects simultaneously on top of really HQ voice acting. If you had any idea what perfect hell this kind of setup is to use and maintain in a live situation you might rethink as well. Honestly you need a 2nd computer dedicated solely to vocal processing (speaking from experience).

>>9778762
can confirm. professional audio is serious business

>You know Brian, back in the day you had to be in a company to be a vtuber, they had the tech to make it possible. And they vetted out the talentless nobodies who went into business for themselves. Nowadays, if you have a few grand any weeaboo monkey can be a vtuber. Gone are the days of seiso, prerecorded content. Now it's all live, botches and yabs and all.
>Oh come on Jim, it's not that bad.
>Not that bad!? Look at them, the greats like Kizuna and Kaguya were 3D, and the crop of shit we got these days have 2D that are almost as flat as their personalities! I weep for the day where Sora drags herself down to the level of her kouhais. Anyway...

>>9732598
I notice that a lot of low viewer streamers are commissioning rigs to try to hop on the hot new trend.
Getting into vtubing with the motivation of "getting big" has introduced a lot of normalfags into the ring, so that trend just sounds like the end result of that.

>>9755132
>>9754464
>Dead air
>Dead air
>Dead air
Also the game audio drowned out your voice a lot. I would also recommend that you change your channel thumbnail to your avatar rather than that brony shit.

>>9778762
the only tool i can think of that might fit what you're talking about is rx8's dialogue contour but that's not real time. is that the one you're talking about? what hardware effects are you talking about?

>thread for aspiring vtubers
>it's all just spam and voice changer discussion
why am i not surprised?

>>9778762
>>9781291
i'm a mix engineer and i do some other freelance audio post prod on the side. also learning dsp in school currently, which is why im curious about the stuff you mentioned.

>>9781334
huh?

>>9781334
Very interesting

>>9775198
>>9775400
> streamer talks like a teenage autist role-playing as a ninja turtle villain from the 90's
> anon unironically thinks it's good voice acting
k

>>9775114
I'm the guy who posted the Vocaroo, since you're saying that I shouldn't do what that anon said, do you have any advice? I just wanna see what works for me

I'm glad this thread sort of devolved into pro wrestling shitposting. There's a lot of similiarities between vtubing and prowrestling.

>>9782753
you're gonna summon the kayfabe anti

>>9782807
kayfabe is fine, you can do what you like but the majority of viewers aren't really into anything past the really light RP stuff, things like "Sorry for the late stream, the transmission was stuck in the warp!" and stuff along those lines.

Not to single out Kongou, but overall he's been pretty stagnant because that type of heavy "acting" filters most viewers, it's just good for finding that niche 4chan audience that enjoys it. Take away his /vt/ audience and what do you think he really has?

>>9782939
Kogetty never drew a ding-dong diddley dime

>>9764382
>>9763617
The Loli/Shota thing ultimately doesn't matter, even at Kyuotto-level hate it only does a few things.

Repel people you don't want in your community who would've likely never even heard of you or watched you otherwise.

Spreads your name which inevitably attracts more people who ARE interested in your content (Kyuotto debut with 500 viewers even if she lost 1/5th that's a huge number to start)

The one downside is that it makes it a bit harder to make friends and network, but you can survive without those things if you're able to put out content on other platforms (Youtube shorts, tiktok, twitter videos, etc)

does Yaxie ch. use a voice changer?

>>9783391
your voice is gonna change after i punch you in the throat

>>9783168
you can literally be a pedo baiting loli like Celesse and still be fine. twitter sjws will throw a fit and forget about you while guzzling each other's cum about how they fixed everything.

>>9783430
That is literally what happened to Tomoaki Honma.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KqRJsPCTqZg

So, how scuffed are my chances in all of those auditions as a male with a male voice and male avatar? Male everything, really.

>>9784058
avatar doesn't matter so it'll fall to your voice and ability to entertain

>>9784058
m*le, never get your hope up

>>9763163
How would you make memes about yourself if you haven't started streaming yet, or are you saying to do that post debut?

>>9784058
Low. Extremely low. After Nijisanji gets their male(s) out and if they do alright, then these smaller orgs will consider males.

>>9782939
Completely agree with this.

If you want to make it as easy as possible for yourself to grow larger then it's important not to hyper focus on appealing to niche groups.

Maybe the heavier RP stuff is more popular or accepted in Japan but streaming culture in the west is drastically different.

If your RP is a larger than life caricature of stereotypical "pro gamers" or ragers like Dr. Disrespect or Tyler1 then it's meme material, it's funny.

Generally speaking people don't care if you heavily playing into the role of a vampire that got transported into a world full of slimes, the audience can't do anything with that material, there's less to play around with.

>roleplaying a bartender host of a club
>kayfabe is supposed to be calm cool and collected suave master with a smooth voice
>BRO, WHAT THE FUCK. ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?
>FUCK THIS GAME. YOU FUCKING SUCK.
>BRO, THESE GUYS ARE TOTALLY CHEATING
or
>uhm... uhm....uh... huh huh.. hummm
>huhuhmmmm
>hhhmmmm huh oh
>hmmmm uh

>>9775286
How so? I don't want to be /here/, i don't even plan to post my links here. I just don't want tranny watchers, they aren't worth it over my true love for shota.

>>9785013
honestly the former would be pretty fine, a stereotypical comedy guy who acts like a suave guy when he's calm but is petty over the smallest shit

>>9784902
Keyfab isn't spitting lore, it's about the tone of the voice and how you react to certain things according to your character. Say you are mr Koro, and she sees an scene where a character is about to cut his finger, ofcourse she's going to relate differently than Luna. Dunno where this belive that keyfab it's just D&D tier crap when it's more simple and all the good vtubers do it.

>>9787019
I wasn't referring to "spitting lore", like I said, leaning into your character niche heavily is going to get you a smaller and more niche audience. That's not even a controversial opinion, it's just a fact of how things are.

And if you notice, I was speaking about what constitutes a good WESTERN streamer and not just Vtuber.

> it's more simple and all the good vtubers do it

What big Vtubers actually reference their lore regularly or go as far into "voice acting"?

None of the vshojo girls do it, none of the hololiveEN girls do it, Kuzuha doesn't play up his lore, and the only thing Pekora does is add peko at the end of her sentence otherwise that's literally her normal speaking voice.

Most people don't care about RP, it's just that simple, and saying that isn't an attempt to offend the people who do care about it.

>>9788946
this. kayfabe is retarded. /asp/ies need to be good entertainers and streamers. not a fucking cartoon character.

>>9788946
>What big Vtubers actually reference their lore regularly or go as far into "voice acting"?
All of the HoloEN girls DO voice act and add a bit of lore, do you even watch them?. I watch normal streamers too and none of them act like any of the holos or even nijis, all of them are voice acting and adding something to form a character. Someone that i think never leans into keyfab is Silvervale, who is just an egirl with an avatar. Here's gura altering the lyrics of a song to fit her keyfab. Again, it's small things but it makes the big difference between watching normal streamers and vtubers. Personally, if i go to a vtuber stream and they are just talking like a normal ethot or nerd kid i leave, why would i watch them when i could watch just normal streamers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-2mNduBpxs

>>9789392
true, /vt/ has a dedicated group that jerk off to keyfabe stuff tho

>>9789449
>All of the HoloEN girls DO voice act and add a bit of lore
voice acting? maybe
lore? barely
when /asp/ies talk about kayfabe, they're talking about lord of the rings level of backstory and mythos. talking about their family past and shit that doesn't matter.

>>9789449
You're literally confusing and conflating keyfabe with streaming persona and general personality differences between content creators.

If you're streaming and play up your inherent personality for the audience that's not keyfabe my guy.

That's like saying your grocery store clerk is keyfabe because they act different when bagging your fruits compared to when they are off the clock.

If 95% of the stream is their normal personality and that last 5% is their entertainment personality sprinkled on, that's not lore or forming a character.

Compare Gura to the ninja guy they were talking about above or the guy from the last /asp thread trying to put on a dark souls voice, it's completely different.

And again, my main point was that most people don't care about RP. Not sure why you're getting sour over that statement, are you arguing that most people do care about RP?

I'm talking about from a general audience point of view and you're speaking about your own personal preferences.

>>9790245
whatever, we seem to have different definitions of keyfabe.

>>9790901
>e seem to have different definitions of keyfabe.
then your definition is fucking retarded

>>9790901
My definition is based off of what people on /vt/ define keyfabe as.

I'm not sure about yours.

>>9791289
What is the definition then?

>>9791503
can u both stfu, excessive roleplaying and keyfabe is cringe, end of story dumbass

>>9792407
Asking because this thread is the only place that has such an specific definition of what keyfabe is. Checking the archives everyone else seems to have the same definition i do. If you think keyfabe isn't neccesary for vtubing just use a facecam or stream as yourself, why use an avatar then?

>Keyfabe
Kayfabe
And if you want to understand Kayfabe you need to understand that it isn't a character and it isn't lore. It is finding the core of your personality, what you really are deep down inside, and dialing it up to 11. It is the distilled essence of yourself portrayed so larger than life that it becomes a character. Because it is you, you will never fail and you will never not know what to say. Because it isn't you you can say things that you wouldn't never normally say.

>>9793092
>finding the core of your personality, what you really are deep down inside, and dialing it up to 11
most /asp/ies wouldn't know what this means and just default to larping

>>9794004
Most people don't have personalities nowadays. They collect affectations from the media they consume and mistake that for individuality.
You ever talk to someone at a party and they think they are the most hilarious person around but end up trying to count the number of different sources they stole their "personality" from? Like I shoot can not talk to people and find anyone original any more. The few that manage to sort of convince me turn out to be frauds when I stumble upon the game/youtuber they stole their bits from.

>>9794834
that sounds like the most highschool bs take

> most people don’t have personalities nowadays
> find anyone original anymore

no one is original bc personalities are formed by ur environment
if someone anaylzed and broke down every piece of ur personality it would trace back and stem from some other outside influence
ya people have shallow ones, aka they make a handful of things their whole personality
but being like ‘ya i never encounter true originality indivialism anymore’ is retarded

>>9795437
There are a few overall trends and traits that are likely innate.

>>9795437
There are broad personality types that are the result of heritage and environment. Picking and choosing what part of other people you use to create a persona is not the same thing. It is gay and retarded and if you had the slightest bit of life experience you would recognize it.

Instead of thinking through shit on your own while you work a normal job away from media people nowadays inundate themselves 24/7 with other people's thought, and thus are incapable of thinking their own. You are so hyper socialized you don't even see it.