/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9525909
Dead subs

based grim reaper killing the leech

>>9525929
More like deadbeats

>>9525929
Yeah, Pekora has dead subs.

>>9525909
>TICK TOCK TIME IS RUNNING OUT UNTILL NOTHING HAPPENS
medicate.

>>9526135
>dead subs
>literally the vtuber with the highest average live viewers in the world

Wigger has dead subs

Yet Gura's count is just under the sum of those two

Both have dead subs. Every single youtuber in the world has dead subs.

>>9526296
Based peko, put those HoloEN whores in their place.

>which chuuba's fans have jobs and shit

>>9526497
Yet less people actually watch her than Pekora alone.

>>9526296
That's not a picture of Gura anon

>>9526296
Unironically this. Recently Pekora passed Pokimane as the #2 most watched female streamer in the entire fucking world, regardless of platform. Only Amouranth is above her and that bitch has to shove a microphone up her cunt to be relevant. Pekora's winning the numbers game that matters.

God I hate chumbuds... Worst fanbase..

>>9525929
yeah pretty sad pekora have dead subs anon

>>9525909
Based wigger. Show that number rabbit who is the boss of this gym

>>9525909
Songs/covers are OP. Ayame's a beast with em too. Get fucked shuba.

>>9525909
I don't really think she cares.
>>9526135
>>9526757
See >>9526296
>>9526737
Nah. Gura loses out in live viewership by a massive margin, but Gura has Pekora beat in VOD views simply because Gura's viewers are spread out across many timezones. The majority of Pekora's viewers are JST, which is why she has more live viewers.
>>9526741
This is the truth, but retards will never be able to comprehend this and good for them or they'd have aneurysms.

>>9526296
As a nijinigger, I kneel. Put EN whores and the Twitch hoard in their place, Pekor. O7

>>9527134
>Gura's viewers are spread out across many timezones
Nice way of saying they're all underage SEAnigs lol

>>9527167
>they're all underage SEAnigs
So is it different than nousagis?

>>9527134
>Nah. Gura loses out in live viewership by a massive margin
She literally gets more live views than Pekora buddy.

>>9527262
anon I think that guy doesn't know where japan is and just hate his own race LOL

ITT: chumbuds, deadbeats and nousagis' cope due to being so irrelevant on the numbers thread.

>>9526296
Yes, pekora has the highest live views but it also cannot explain that most of her subs are deadsubs.

>>9525909
Pekora has become irrelevant lately, I mean, do EOPs still watch her? I almost never see her being discussed in this board

>>9527152
Based nijinigger

>>9527134
>Gura has Pekora beat in VOD views simply because Gura's viewers are spread out across many timezones
I honestly never considered that, good observation. Although I suspect it might have to do with karaoke VODs and MVs, more specifically.

>>9527273
You might want to check out the number thread from time to time. Gura is behind both Pekora and Marine at the very least, not sure about Miko.

>>9527412
the most of any youtubers subs are dead subs. thats just how youtube works.

>>9527412
>pekora has the highest live views
She doesn't though, Gura does

>>9525909
Imagine being smug about taking this long to surpass JP despite having EN buff, music buff and Goora buff 草

>>9527453
>You might want to check out the number thread from time to time. Gura is behind both Pekora and Marine
Bruh... Even the number fags openly acknowledge that Gura's live view count is fucked and it's been proven may times over. Maybe you should visit the number thread so you can stop talking out of your ass.

>>9525909
That's it. I’m sick of it. I'm sick of all this "millions of subscribes English vtubers" bullshit that's going on in the chuuba market right now. Japanese vtubers deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.
I should know what I'm talking about. I myself donated to a genuine vtuber from Japan over 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been watching their every stream for almost 2 years now. My vtubers mog full professors of philosophy with interesting things they have to say.
Japanese vtubers spend years practicing for a single stream and do their reps up to million times to produce the finest entertainment known to mankind.
Japanese chuubas are thrice as entertaining as English ones and thrice as funny for that matter too. Anything an EN can stream, a JP can stream better. I'm pretty sure a JP holo could easily mog EN thrice their sub count with a simple gaming stream.
Ever wonder why Gura never bothered collabing with a JP? That's right, she was too scared to be put next the disciplined JP-senpai and their superior Japanese entertainment. Even in the beginnings of /vt/, orangeposters targeted mainly JP holos because their audience captivation power was feared and respected.
So what am I saying? JP holos are simply the best vtubers that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better numbers than they get. We don’t need those EOP meme spewing twitch thots to pollute our perfect vtuber word, unless they're asian and underdog like Ina.

Here's the new weighted sub system I propose for Vtubers:

>If a subscriber only knows English and not Japanese, they count as 1/10th of a sub
>If a subscriber knows English AND Japanese, they count as 1 sub
>If a subscriber knows only Japanese and not English, they count as 10 subs

>Now that seems much more representative of the actual talent of these chuubas, don't you think?

tl;dr: JP girls deserve bigger numbers than EN whores, see my new weighted subscriber system.

>>9527574
Nice headcanon chumtranny

HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>9527655
Wow look at that Pekora isn't even on that list amazing!!!!

>>9526296
Akshually kuzuha was #1 last I checked

>>9527634
t.tako

>>9525909
I think Pekora is more concerned about Marine (that will hit her pride for sure). She will not care about Mori surpassing her. It's the natural course of events. There are more EOP and ESL than JPs. Mori doesn't has to deal with the language barrier.

>>9528150
true but as what /vt/ is all about..
>numberfags, pride anons and drama fags

pretty sure it will be a bait threads all over again. LMAO

>>9528150
Pekora cares about numbers above all else. Don't let idiots her fool you into think she isn't bothered by Gura's success.

>>9528873
If she cared that bad about numbers she would do more English Only streams during NA hours.

>>9529369
That'll hurt her median CCV and she will lose to the only metrics she is winning right now.

>>9526296
How does she do it?

>>9529369
That'll hurt her avg/median CCV and she will lose the only metric she is winning right now.

>>9528873
That's just a retarded myth spawned by some comments she made about wanting to improve her streams and acknowledging the charts.
If she was really so obessed with numbers as some people here seem to believe she wouldn't play PUBG over Apex, storyfag games like the recent The Last Guardian and various JRPGs or do collabs with lower-end performers like Luna or Towa.
She would instead pump out short videos to rake in views regardless of their quality and pander to EOPs.
The truth is that her streaming habits are no different than any other Holo.

>>9527574
>Even the number fags openly acknowledge that Gura's live view count is fucked
How bout you visit the fucking number thread before spewing shit out of your mouth.
Average CCV=/=highest CCV, it's not that hard to understand chumkeks

>>9527564
Coping nutsackis are always hilarious

>>9525909
If Pekora ever learns english and decides to sellout to the west she would surpass gura in a heartbeat.

>>9527634
ITT: JP vtubers are undersubbed

>>9526296
The difference between Gura and Peko is that the rabbit is actually playing the numbers game, while Gura doesn't give a shit about it.
Think about it:
>has stated publicly, multiple times, that she wants to be the number 1 female streamer in the planet, going against Twitch coomerbait
By doing this, she's using her audience as an army to achieve that goal. Nutsackis are just as obsessed with numbers. Every numbers thread, and every Gura thread, you will find them there starting shit. It's easy to see why she gets an average of 25k per stream, and above 15k on debuff games. This is supported by the fact that
>most of Pekora's fanbase is consisted of neet JOPs, all watching during Japan's prime time
This explains Pekora's viewership, as her target audience share the same tome zone, and she is making sure to stream during the most accessible time of the day in order to get as many viewers as possible. In contrast, if North America and South America both shared the same time zone, Gura could easily go above 30k per stream, no questions asked, as she has done in the past.
So, in summary, Pekora is optimizing her strategy to achieve her numbers goal, while Gura doesn't give a shit and just streams what she wants, when she wants. She doesn't want to compete with anybody, unlike Pekora and her legion of schizos. Is that a bad thing? Not at all, but comparing both of them is ridiculous. If Gura was just as obsessed and goal driven as Pekora, using her massive fanbase to achieve her goal of becoming the number 1 streamer in the world would be easy.

>>9525909
Her numbers are growing because of may allah forgive me for uttering this word, "iFunny" Some deadbeat on that site told everyone that DD is the best white female rapper in the game. Normalfags got a hold of this and was repulsed by her songs. She and that deadbeat was memed to death. But then they found out that she has big tits irl so they somewhat tolerated her and even goslinged for her. After that, they found out that shes actually a vtuber and now they watch her.

>>9529950
Anyone who unironically uses chumkeks is a literal retard honestly.

>>9531487
What's better then?
>chumfucks
>chumcucks
>chumpedos
>chumcunts
>chumtards
>chumfaggot
Take your pick

>>9531530
My god cumfuckkekepoopshits really do have a baby sense of humor am I right fellow Teamate?

>>9531530
cumbuckets

>>9526296
This
>>9526741
How did she do it bros

>>9525909
I USED TO BE KING OF THE WORLD

>>9527574
the whole live view argument is just goalposting in the first place because pekora is never going to catch up to subs, notice how they switch to superchats the instant you bring up archive views

>>9531446
Yeah, Pekora's a smart numberfag and Marine as well. They tend to pick buff games or bait title and stream it before or after big events all the time to capture tourists. You would hardly see Pekora stream any debuff game and if she happens to choose a game that doesn't get big numbers, she'll try to finish the game as fast as possible so it not dragging to multiple streams.

>>9532376
>How did she do it bros
By being a numberfag

>>9532545
I mean, they have been streaming for years now

>>9525909
This shouldn’t surprise anyone, it’s an inevitable outcome of language accessibility. Japanese is only spoken in Japan, with only a select few weebs actually bothering to become proficient in the language. English meanwhile is the de facto global auxiliary language & language of the internet.

>>9531530
I personally like cumsharts because of what it implies.

>>9531446
Didn’t read

>>9531456
Based doxxbeats getting away with it once again.

>>9532962
didn't ask nigger

>>9533052
I also forgot to mention that the deadbeat who said that didnt mention mori once iirc. But im pretty sure it was obviously a deadbeat from the get go cause nobody can just find DD's music like that on a whim especially with her gay assjesus jesus japanesus bar. He knew what he was doing and he succeeded

All the retards here not realizing that western vtubers will never get an average live viewer count that's remotely close to what JP vtubers get simply because the western market for vtubers is spread across many timezones. This coupled with the fact that watching an anime character talk in a high-pitched voice is one of the cringiest thing you could ever do in the west is a major filter for the great majority of westerners. Vtubing is still a very japanese thing, it had a little breakthrough during covid but it's over now. If a western vtuber ever surpasses Gura and manages to reach the mainstream, they will not be from Hololive, will keep the anime aesthetic to a minimum and probably will be in 3D, like codemiko but actually entertaining to watch.

>>9531446
>if North America and South America both shared the same time zone
???

>>9525909
Totally different type:
Streamer vs Music Artist
STALEMATE

>>9534804
Anon..... They don't mostly

>averages less viewers despite having the same amount of subs
So this is the power of HoloEn…

What's the appeal of Mori. She sounds high as fuck, like falling asleeping after getting toked out high as fuck.

>>9534941
NTA but the difference really is miniscule. At most you get North West Coast vs South East Coast having a 5 hour difference. Sure not the same as everyone being in the same timezone but the debuff is not significant anyway, I think.

>>9527634
holy cope

>>9535631
Yup, dumb argument. The difference is mainly found in European time zones. That's where the numbers are hit the most. Hard to watch a stream at 3AM.

>>9525929
>all of calli's fans are dead
sasuga

>>9527634
Entirely this but unironically

>>9531446
Can we get a numberfag in EN like Pekora? Gura doesn't want to utilize her numbers. She shouldn't be the top EN.

>>9531446
>muh timezones
This Chumbud cope again….

i want to cum

>>9536256
>Muh numbers are worse than Gura's but I pretend they arent
This nousagi cope again

>>9526296
>never had a stream with 1.6 million live viewers
deadsubs

>>9536761
>Oh no, not the VOD views.
kys, your oshi will never have a high average of concurrent viewers ever again and it’s only downhill from here.

keep fighting faggots, the pekosame collab is coming and only one number will matter then

>>9537591
Cope

>>9525909
Pekora is the biggest numberfag in hololive, even worse than Kiara

>>9536256
>>9537591
delicious nutsacki tears. I love how you niggers get desperate when having this sort of discussions on this god forsaken sight, you never fail to make me laugh.
Gura still has the record for most concurrent viewers during a livestream in the vtuber world, if we don't count Coco's graduation numbers. until Pekorrat is able to beat that, she won't you're just coping and seething.

>>9537591
Isnt VOD views more important than concurrent viewers since you get money for the ads played? What kind of monetary value does having more ccv compared to vod have?

>>9539460
Vod views are way more important yes. That being said Gura gets more live than Pekora and the ccv bug has been proven 100x over.

>>9536075
Ok we'll give you Kiara

>>9527448
I watch the clips

>>9525909
Doesn't matter. Pekora still does monster live numbers and Mori is the worst EN.

Not a numberfag, but it's nice of the chumbuds to cheer on my oshi like this. Thanks bros

>>9538778
>if we don't count Coco's graduation numbers
Nice cherry-picking fag. She will never beat pekora’s average live viewers.

>>9540335
>Pekora still does monster live numbers
I am glad Mori doesn't have huge numbers in her streams. Chat is cancerous already but it could be worse.

>>9539460
Correct, idk why some people keep acting like youtube is a ccv focused platform like twitch.

>>9539460
Doesn’t matter if your fan base primarily uses Adblock.

>>9526296
Cumshartbros... I don't feel so good...

>>9540614
Reminder that live views don't count if you are using some adblockers like ublock like a massive portion of EN viewers do.

>>9527412
That applies to literally every Holo, and almost every YouTuber in general.

>>9527634
sasuga
i'm so disappointed that no one recognized this classic pasta

>>9527273
>>9527453
>>9531487


fucking EOPs. Everytime xD seethe and dilate.
jp holos are light years beyond what ur filthy eop ear are able to comprehend

>>9540513
nice deflection there, retard. keep that coping train going cause I'm loving it.

>>9531446
>time zones
The time zone argument is a double edged sword because, yes, on one hand it can justify EN's relatively lower CCV compared to JP's top performers, but on the other hand it just displays how much more reach english streamers have all over the world and, by contrast, how impressive is the fact that some HoloJP are on top regardless of language barriers.

One could argue the fact that anime being much more popular in Japan also means JP vtubers have an edge over EN when it comes to potential viewerbase, and they would be right. But at the end of the day is pretty much impossible to quantify how much of an impact those factors have in determing how "correct" the numbers are.

As a side note, even giving a quick look at both Gura and Pekora's VOD views you certainly don't see the same gap they have in sub counts. Leaving aside concurrent viewers for a moment, If you divide the average of their VOD views by their subscribers, you'll find out Pekora is on top by a large margin, hence people screeching about dead subs are still 100% certified retards.

>Pekora is a number whore
>Gura isn't
>Therefore Gura is better
lol no. Again, refer to >>9529876 by yours truly.
This is just a retarded narrative created by some faggot to desperately try to justify her numbers, when in truth she
>doesn't pander to EOPs
>doesn't pander to coomers and yurifags
>doesn't make shorts to inflate VOD views
>beats almost every game she starts, even viewers repellant games like JRPGs
>doesn't play buff games besides MC, and even then she mostly builds stuff, which is the least appealing activity you can do in terms of viewers engagement

>but she streams at the same JP prime time slot as literally everybody else
Fucking kek. Now that's what I call a low blow, right?
If anything it just means that Gura's time slot is far less of a factor for her, since she has fans all over the world, as you said yourself with your time zone argument.

>Nousagi are also obsessed with numbers
>implying Chumbuds are not
Judging by how defensive they got as soon as Pekora's numbers were mentioned in this very thread, I feel like you might be overestimating them.

>>9541389
Live viewers SC

I hate that you're all dragging my oshi's name around in epeen wars she wants no part of. If I could reach through the monitor and strangle the whole lot of you, I would.

This whole board is a mistake.

>>9537844
is that number 69?

Mori is lucky to break 5k viewers when she decides to stream. Pekora just uses bots. Kuzuha is the only vtuber who deserves his subs.

>vod views are all that matter because of ad money
>no I won't turn off my adblock, why do you ask?

>Pekora Gura Mori
In the end hololive wins

>>9549453
kek

Number one live viewers
Number one streamer in Japan
Number 3 female streamer in the world
Number one entertainer
Number one rabbit
Always fun streams, always funny, always iconic. MGS streams? Unsurpassed. Yakuza streams? Some of the best. And all of this while speaking Japanese, thus having a limited audience compared to the English speakers.
It's just that simple lads. The bunny is #1. The bunny is hololive's pride and joy.
Haters WILL hate
Copers WILL cope
EOPs WILL seethe
There might be a lot of people like her, who speak just like her, who play games just like her, who stream just like her, and they might be the second best thing, but not quite her. Usada is the Vtuber queen.

>>9525909
>NOOOOOOOOOO EN BUFF DOESN'T EXIST GUYS 5%BRAP HAVE ALL OF THIS THANKS TO HER EFFORT AND TALENT IT'S TOTALLY NOT BECAUSE OF BRAND NAME AND THE FACT MORE THAN HALF OF THE INTERNET IS ENGLISH

>>9536075
She doesn't even want to be top she would probably be happier middle of the pack. Less people would be putting her on a pedestal and having such high expectations for her.

>>9550808
Honestly you'd have to be downright disingenuous to say speaking English and being in Hololive aren't two things that inherently give you a massive audience boost. English speaking vtubers have a MUCH wider audience, and being in Hololive automatically gives you like half a million subs and 5k live viewers.

>>9526296
>live viewes meme
Pekoras VOD views are shit tho, even Marine has her beat. Gura has still the highest VOD view average of all vtubers and this is the only metric that matters.

>>9550319
Pekora is irrelevant outside of Japan

>>9551320
That's why i still consider Gura as #1 Vtuber since many people find her content more replayable compared to the others.
But having monster-consistent live viewers like Pekora is very impressive, its not something to shit at

>>9551320
Marine's views are inflated from the short clips

>>9527412
Who doesn't have dead sub by that retarded standard?

>>9527320
t. indonesia

>>9540614
I have Youtube premium and I am happy to support my oshi.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLO5-IyS5pE

Pink vs Light Blue

>>9528101
literally who

>>9531446
Somehow other en girls don't have such big differences between live and vod views.
If g*ra really had three million subscribers, it would be noticeable everywhere.
It isn't.
She's paying for bots to generate vod views.

>>9531456
Doxbeats are too powerful...

>>9526296
They hated him because he told me the truth.

>>9526296
>>9526552
>>9526741
>>9527152
>>9540701
>>9570736
Numbersagis don't look...

Neither of them have as many dead subs as some of the JP...

>>9525909
I mean. Of course EN is going to be getting more success.
There's 10x more people who can speak/understand English than there are that can speak Japanese.

>>9571175
Delete this !

>>9525909
Don't care I want pekora to teach gura about making traps

>>9525909
OH NONONONONONO

>>9531530
>cumbuds

the way they get together and circlejerk their oshi

>>9527412
So you're implying that braphog having even less live viewers than Pecor is even more dead streamer?
Pretty based.

>>9528035
A-anon...
Are you in any way mentally handicaped?

>>9571003
that shut them up kek

>>9547708
In 2021 there are 1348 million English speakers (1st or 2nd language) and 126 million Japanese speakers. There are only about 0.12 million who speak JP second. Therefore if we consider subs as a percentage of the population that can understand the language of the channel, we have a massive advantage to the JP channels.

There are over 10x as many EN speakers in the world. So it is not an exaggeration to say that EN vtubers should have about 10 million subs before they can compare to JP vtubers, and about 20 million subs before they compare to Ai.

Just divide EN vtubers subs by 10 and you'll see how popular they are within the entire population when you're gonna compare them like that to JP vtubers.

>>9578560
>He thinks Vtubers are mainstream outside of Japan

>>9571003
>>9578199
>biggest Vtuber
>fps_shaka
The only Vtuber bigger than her in Japanese Kuzuha, but that doesn't take in factor overseas viewers