/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9144766
It's obnoxious.

We want to be Japanese.

>>9144814
It's fun and makes you angry. I support it.

>>9144766
Because people here are hipsters, and would rather the entertainers they watch be obscure instead of popular.

>>9144766
I think what worries the chuubas is to accidentally send a mass of viewers to meme or ask about something their favorite streamer said, disrupting the stream. It happens sometimes. But there's nothing wrong with, say, finishing a stream and telling your audience to check out some other stream.

Second-class things

>>9144766
Raids are cool with small chuubas or chuubas with majority western fanbases who can get it over with quickly and then shut up and enjoy the stream, but I really wanna keep that shit out of Hololive simply because most EN/ID Holomems chats are filled with obnoxious SEA fucks and weaboos who are likely to get into drama and fuck with the flow of the stream. Hell, it even causes drama within small agencies - in Phase Connect, Tenma got pretty pissed off when Pippa's fans tried to raid her stream during a Hades playthrough even though it was like 10 people.

>YouTube planning on adding raids
Dunno if this is true, but if there's a function to turn it off I suspect most Holos and Japanese chuubas will have it off by default and chat mods in EN will come down like a ton of bricks on that shit. Japanese chuubas hate that shit.

>>9144766
>Why does do people
ESLchama...

>>9144766
i remember wondering this a lot when Ame first debuted and she got pissy about gura "raids" because it is just what english streaming culture is like and if you market a product to that audience you should except it

i really do think its what >>9144839 said, however >>9145325 made some good points, SEA fucks really are a plague upon this hobby

>>9145530
they asked specifically not to do that

>>9145325
YouTube has been rolling out a feature called "Live Redirect" where it will automatically send your audience to a YT premiere video (like a MV) after the stream ends. You have to specify the video in the settings before the stream starts. YT can easily expand the feature to mimic Twitch raids but there hasn't been any word on if they will do so.

>>9144894
It goes against their rules. Yes, implying you came here from another chuuba is mentioning another streamer in chat. It goes against the don't spam excessively rule. It goes against the DONT RAID OTHERS rule. It also disrupts the streamer > audience balance the rules set to maintain and encourages viewers to talk to each other, breaking another rule.

>>9145325
On Twitch you can choose who can raid you so it's a nice feature for stuff like relays that they do anyway.

>>9144766
raiding is for twitch niggers, i dont wanna see that shit

>>9145530
I wouldn't say that the western streaming culture is like that from what I've seen from Twitch. They usually raid for 30 seconds and then either leave, go afk or adapt to the new chat. I would say it's more of idol viewer thing. They try to force the other community's inside jokes when the streamer says something, mention the other streamer or ask for collabs.

>>9146384
Too late >>9146301
You will participate in a raid and you will like it.

>>9145920
I remember one stream Ame did once (Mario, though I can't remember which one, this was a while back) where she was clearly exhausted and sick of chat by the end, and chat were begging her not to end the stream, and she was like "uhhhh I think Kiara is streaming right now. You could go watch Kiara. Oh she's finished? Uhhhhhhh Ina's streaming right now, you could watch her" and chat was like "INA RAID INA RAID", to which Ame replied "NO CHAT BEHAVE YOURSELF NO RAID PLEASE BEHAVE YOURSELF", it was like watching an exhausted kindergarten teacher try and control a bunch of hyperactive 4 year olds before recess.

Then they went into Ina's chat and were like AME RAID AME RAID AME RAID and Ina just laughed and was like "how did Ame get on? Did she rage?" and dealt with it very professionally. I was just thinking about how pissed off Kiara would have been if they had raided her instead.

>>9144894
>it's fun
Objectively untrue
>it makes you angry
Everything makes me angry

>>9144766
i mean i can understand it's obnoxious and annoying, but it's all marketing. however, i agree they should tone it down. too much can also be a problem

>>9146489
My oshi despises mentioning other women in her chat, not gonna happen

Holotards are fucking insane, lmao

>>9145530
Yeah, Ame would always end her stream by recommending other girls to watch who were online. Then her audience would go there and spam that they came from Ame's stream. It was really obnoxious and Ame felt pretty bad about it so she had to point out multiple times not to do that.

It's just the "don't bring me up in other people's streams" thing.

>>9144766
You're so fucking obsessed with Hololive yet not once have you actually read any of their rules have you? Even the JP streamers have then translated for retards like you.

>>9146734
That doesn't answer the OP's question at all, though.

>>9145530
Ame's fans raided Lamy when she was doing zatsudan and made her chat unusable for a few minutes. Ame was pretty embarrassed about it.

At most it's probably annoying for the streamer to deal with 5 minutes of "so and so sent me!" spam in the chat. If you weren't going to watch them before being sent in a raid, what are you doing there then?
Clearly the perception becomes that those viewers are attention-seekers who just want to participate in the stream culture of the website, rather than actually caring about the person streaming.

Pros
>vtuber gets new viewers
Cons
>Said new viewers are retards who participate in dumb shit like raids
Raidfags are ADHD autists and they will leave easily. No point risking getting retards who follow clout and bandwagons

>>9146780
Okay then: People don't like raids because they go against the rules. They don't like going against the rules because it's disrespectful.

>>9146925
>go against the rules
fuck your rules bugmen.

Raids are unironically why western stream viewers are massive betas with an submission complex and participate in intense devoted self-flagellation
They turn people into creatures who become wingmen for their "bro" at all costs, a vicious crowd of feral sycophants and unironic willing cucks who cheer a man on as he has sex and they masturbate while throwing money at him and viciously canceling anybody who implies anything even remotely negative about their "bro" while becoming hypebeasts about literally everything the streamer does

tl;dr raids turned twitch viewers into Warboys from Mad Max

>>9146942
They're (you)r rules.

>>9144766

There's probably some stupid organization rules about it which is nonsensical or some weird "we gotta enforce idol culture image" thing. Twitch has raids and all the vtubers there help eachother so much with fun raids and such, discovered a few new vtubers that way even such as Cimrai.
still weird as shit because even if you limit it to hololive raids only you maintain viewers which helps with exposure / viewer retention / etc

The idea was fine, the execution was shit. You don't go into a vtuber's chat talking about another vtuber. Not only is it obnoxious, it's stated as against the rules for most of them. Now, if they had gone into the steam and spammed green hearts or something relevant to Fauna it would have been fine. It gives her the chance to either ignore it, or notice all the sudden interaction and ask where they're coming from.

I just want to avoid obnoxious shit like chumbuds running to other channels and begging them to help Gura during the summer festival.

>>9144766
The one reason that explains many things Cover does: Japanese Autism

You know the viewers could just control themselves and act normally.

>>9147011
>Cimrai
They don't need the exposure, and if anything it would lower their viewer retention as people come in to spam 'x sent me' then leave immediately.

Go away twitchkiddies, we've been more than fine for two years without your trash

>>9146925
It's no different then when an holo comments in other chat the chat becomes unstable untill the streamer noticed their comment it happens every time. At least with raid you get some free viewers and it's no problem as long as it contained in hololive but if it open to everyone then turn that shit off.

>>9147162
why act like they're mutually exclusive? I would assume most people use both to watch streamers they like, rather than any sort of loyalty to these awful platforms

>people shitting on twitch viewers as if the average youtube chatter isnt just as retarded
Never change /vt/

>>9146649
Japanese company with Japanese social customs that has exploded overseas, there was always gonna be culture clash. Vshojofags have got it easier since they're just twitch streamers with virtual avatars, and NijiENfags tend to either be particians who're a bit more aware of and invested in the history of vtubing, or refugee former holofags who got sick of the fanbase / company / drama etc.

>>9147035
Fuck I forgot about that. Chumkiddies would always spam Ame's chat if Gura was struggling with something.

>>9147362
people used to bother kiara about calli a lot, too

>>9147272
>I would assume most people use both to watch streamers they like, rather than any sort of loyalty to these awful platforms
As someone you just described, you'd be surprised how wrong you are when it comes to both Hololive and /vt/. Majority of Hololive fans don't give a shit about other chuubas, and /vt/ is infested with tribalfags.

>>9147011
im a twitch watcher and a LOT of the people i now watch regularly, i was initially introduced to via raid.

i dont see what's so bad about it. its how you get your audience to discover other communities.

>>9147241
It's different because that's not against the rules. Yeah yeah rules whatever but they have them for a reason. They're okay with one and not the other. One of them puts faith in their coworkers to know how not ruin the flow of the stream, the other puts faith in the entirety of the viewerbase.

>>9147293
at least youtube comments retardation isnt a cultural thing, its just retarded people, twitchs is very much cultural which results in chats acting the same across streams for the most part.
whether one of these type are worse or not is up for debate

>>9147362
fuck pigeons honestly

>>9147433
Kiara pretty much told them to shut the fuck up and don't bring her up unless she does or she pops into chat. Don't think its been an issue since.
She seems to be good at tard wrangling her fanbase. They don't spam bottom-left anymore in her own chat now.

We all know the real reason Kronii did this is because Fauna got practically no superchats and she felt bad

>>9147272
>loyalty to those platforms
Different platforms encourage difference things
The difference is that most Hololive streams benefit from their chat, while most Twitch streams are good in spite of their chat
>hurrdurr theyre the same
They're not and you're coping hard if you unironically think this way
That or you've never watched a Hololive stream that wasn't hyped to fuck.

>>9147682
As someone who has been tardwrangled by Kiara before, I'm grateful that she does this.

>>9147162
Explain this.

>>9147482
People like you are the type of person that think it's okay to have multiple oshi

>>9147721
>most Hololive streams benefit from their chat
lmao

>>9147482
depends on the chat, bigger chats are cancer but the smaller chats are less retarded about raids

>>9147827
Not a raid. What is there to explain?

>>9147721
what are you talking about? people will watch streamers they like regardless of platform, I don't think the typical person gives a shit

>>9147441
>Majority of Hololive fans don't give a shit about other chuubas, and /vt/ is infested with tribalfags.
Most other chuuba are trash
I say this as somebody who has a year of Membership to Alice from Niji, and have donated akasupa to indies before
Chuuba who act like it's just streaming but with an anime avatar offend me deeply, I don't watch vtubers for entertainment

>>9147482
>im a twitch watcher
Don't worry, we could tell.

>>9147858
Yeah most, and by most that means every chat that isn't plagued by EOPs, so just the JPs

>>9147548
It really depends on the streamer, watch vtubers outside of vshoujo shit and you’ll be amazed how much that shit dies down. Also you’re delusional if you think youtube chatters dont have their own culture, you read any comment section and you see the same dumbass comment format every time and those same fags are in chat. It goes both ways

>>9147827
A poorly executed idea
There was no reason they had to have this split between streams IMO
Imagine if when spoftsfest happened, they had done this, stopping and starting streams, streams for each member alone, etc

>>9146331
It will likely be allowed in the future after YouTube implements it, because those who don’t use it will be at a disadvantage.

>>9147548
If the chat goes fast I prefer they spam emotes so that the streamer can get a feel of the chat's reaction to something over people spamming wall of texts talking about themselves or asking to congratulate them on their birthday. If the streamer wants to know something, they will ask their chat. People that aren't used to Twitch chat culture have difficulty telling which kind of chat would be more enjoyable.

>>9147827
Relays are used for special events, retard.

>>9147889
Nice cope

>>9147987
>I don't watch vtubers for entertainment
Bingo. This is exactly why the hololive fanbase is the way it is, and why introducing twitch culture would be a shitshow. As a normalfag, there's no way I could have put it better myself.

>>9147983
Twitch functionality encourages certain behavior in chat. You think the reason chats are such a wildly different experience is coincidence?

>>9148036
sorry i meant site wide culture not just vtuber youtube chat

>>9148208
How? Hololive are at the top. There's nothing to gain from smaller streamers raiding them, and they only lose by directing their viewers outside the Hololive ecosystem.

>>9147858
Cope harder faggot, multiple holos have had breakdowns over not being able to see chat before
Holo streams without chat are objectively worse

>>9148322
anon i assume they meant that the holos will raid eachother

>>9148271
What the fuck.

>>9148281
I don't watch a single streamer for the chat, though. That seems entirely tangential to me.

>>9148322
They can raid each other and maintain their viewers inside Hololive. How is that difficult to understand?

>>9148036
>watch vtubers outside of vshoujo shit and you’ll be amazed how much that shit dies down
I mean that's just a fast chat vs slow chat thing. I used to think twitch itself was the issue, then I checked out some smaller chuubas who have a good relationship with their chat and I realized that "twitch chat culture" is only an issue when the streamer has thousands of viewers. Even 1k and it's nowhere near as bad.

>>9148271
Yeah
Imagine if Rushia got raided by some sexpest e-celeb
I wanna miss out on the drama, thanks, shits gay as fuck and I don't spend my time masturbating to the idea of upsetting people I dislike

>>9144766
you can "raid" but stay quiet in chat when you join in. don't be a dick and announce the raid or bring up where you came from. happens all the time on the JP side and they're always polite about it. unfortunately twitch raid culture is rude and interrupts whatever conversation the target was having with their chat. hence the rule against brining up other girls in chat if the streamer is not talking about them.

>>9147889
Yeah, because there's no option for raids on YouTube. But they try to imitate it by posting links to the next stream in chat and funnel viewers that way. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect them automatically?
>>9148179
The idea was to introduce viewers to members they don't noramlly watch.
>>9148255
So? Raids will allow to keep a higher viewer retention during relays.

>>9148372
What's the difference between telling them to go to a stream, and forcibly redirecting them there? They aren't okay with the first, so what would change?

>>9148345
anon i think your confused, they wanted no one to talk in chat before the stream

>>9148208
Extremely unlikely anyways, even if it stops being considered rude to the holo being raided then it would be rude to anyone who isn't getting raided. Imagine a situation where there are only 2 holos left streaming and you can only raid one, I can already imagine shitposts being made about roboco never getting raided or pekora not raiding miko

>>9148271
the guy you're replying to literally says he's a year long niji sub, cope

>>9148468
See >>9148582

>>9148387
I'm not talking about all holofags - it's rather that the fanbases are so different. Even within EN, IRyS, Fauna and Mumei fans are totally different to Ame, Gura or Kronii fans. All raids will do is start drama.

>>9148388
Then you don't really get Hololive culture and the basis of a lot of shared behavior between Hllo fanbases, it's as simple as that man

When I would watch clips, I would often go to the stream in question just to see what the chat said when the clip happened, and VODs are already bad enough but VODs without chat are even worse to watch

Hololive is about interacting with the idols, and that makes seeing/engaging in those interactions part of the fun

I can see the drama threads
>she raided her instead of her
>SHE HATES HER
>she would get more views if she got raided more often and the other members didn't refuse to raid her

>>9148578
>The idea was to introduce viewers to members they don't noramlly watch.
lmao

>>9144839
You will never be Japanese

>>9148578
>Yeah, because there's no option for raids on YouTube. But they try to imitate it by posting links to the next stream in chat and funnel viewers that way. Wouldn't it be better to just redirect them automatically?
No, it's not raiding because they're not funneling them to an ongoing stream because they're done. They're purposefully happening one after the other, in order. It's exactly what it's called: a stream relay. Yes, for relays it would be better to redirect them automatically, but the intention there is completely different from raiding as the term is used.

Fuck twitchniggers and fuck raids.
Complete cancer that only ruins otherwise comfy chats.

>>9148629
No?
Off the tip of my tongue, Pekora hyperventilated and almost started crying when chat froze once, Coco literally broke down because of zhangs making chat unusable, and Rushia got depressed and tried to use Twitter as a replacement for chat before ending the stream almost in tears when it froze at one point

There's been more to this is just immediate memory
Chat IS important to Holos, and Hololive.

>>9148654
>rude
Meaningless word. When money is involved, it will become a nice thing to do for your fellow Holos. Cover will make sure of it once implemented.

>>9148468
Cause if a vtuber tell you to go are you really going to go hell nah. The raid makes it so that they have no choice and a lot of people from the raid are more likely to stick around and watch for a while.

>>9146944
>tl;dr raids turned twitch viewers into Warboys from Mad Max
if only

>>9144766
People hate raids?

>>9149102
Yeah, only for 90% of the viewers to leave after a minute and ruin their viewer retention. Great fucking idea.

>Why does do people hate raids
Why the fuck haven't people saged this ESLnigger retard newfag thread?

>>9147887
im in several 3k+ communities and raiding is not only fine, but extremely appreciated by the raidees

I think if implemented, Cover will allow it mainly within same Gen. Not outside the Gen

>>9148582
They don't allow raids in the context that they are streaming and mention the other vtuber and their chat will go to annoy them. That's their definition of a raid. It's pretty different over a raid when the vtuber is going offline. If not, what can they do when they go offline and their chat moves over to another channel anyway?

>>9148782
oh, I prefer them without chat personally. It takes up room and I'm not reading it anyways. If you prefer it that way, though, that's cool, but I just don't care what most viewers have to say :y

>>9148892
A difference in terminology, I guess. I meant Twitch raids as the redirect feature, not the raids it's name came from.

>>9148322
Each other. Imagine a Gura raid giving her viewers over to like, Anya.

>>9149117
Just Hololive fans because the company told them they shouldn't like it. They'll change their mind when YouTube implements raids as a feature and then Cover tells them it's okay to do it.

>>9149151
Because it's fun to watch idolfags have meltdowns and normalfags struggle to comprehend them.

>>9149132
That's a problem for YouTube to solve if they want to implement raiding.

>This thread

>>9149234
I think Cover would probably keep raids within the same Gen, as to prevent favoritism or other such stuff. But who knows.

>>9149204
>That's their definition of a raid. It's pretty different over a raid when the vtuber is going offline.
They're against both. I don't know where you got the idea that they're okay with one and not the other.

The relay anon is right, pretty much everyone in this thread who are against raids can only answer "because muh 100 wapanese folded rules!!!" yet cover encourages intra audience within their relay events.

What's next ? You guys are going to complain about watch parties because its in twitch as well? The same reason why cover already do some streams in there kek

>>9148322
The person who sends the raid generates some goodwill. The person receiving it gets a temp boost to their live views.
In regards to >how? it is basic game theory. When two players trade, they both gain something. Everyone not participating is not gaining.

>>9149062
What will everyone do when peak hours start and literally all the holos are streaming? It won't be nice when everyone forgets to raid one holo and she gets left out.

>>9149474
Relays aren't raids because they happen one after the other. It's a raid when you tell your viewers to move to another stream in the middle of said stream. Go back to Twitch.

>>9149240
>just hololive fans
Just JP vtuber fans, niji doesn't want that shit either

Lets be honest, what anyone thinks here doesn't actually matter. The only thing that matters is how the talents percieve it. We all know Ame and Kiara in particular hate this shit, so how they'll feel about Kronii's actions and what they'll say about it is all that matters.

>>9144766
im sensing massive bitch energy from kroni and its triggering me

>>9149453
They can raid silently.

>>9149240
Anon, the JP fans would have a meltdown if it was implimented. Hololive doesn't give a fuck what the EN fanbase thinks, but they do care about the JP fanbase.

>>9149234
>ruining anya's perfectly comfy stream
She doesn't want the numbers, she's happy with her carefully curated chat

>>9149751
Rin raids indie vtubers occasionally.

>>9144766
>why does do people

>>9149795
yeah she's great. I wish more vtubers weren't pushovers.

>>9149700
>no no I will tell you what a raid really is for me

cringe and stop posting
youtube will bring as much twitch features and you will like it

>>9149846
As in, telling people not to spam when raiding.

>>9149234
>a Gura raid giving her viewers over to like, Anya.
Gura fans are obnoxious, slefish pricks and part of the reason Anya has low numbers is that she has extremely low bullshit tolerance and tells chat to fuck off or shut the fuck up every other stream. It would be a total shitshow.

>>9149894
>carefully curated
kek

>>9144766
raiding should be an opt in thing. if someone has a chill stream going on and gets raided, it ruins the mood. it will kill any ASMR stream for sure. just put in do not disturb status for streamers and it should be fine.

>>9149234
>sending chumbuds
Might as well give her a loaded gun, Jesus Christ

>>9150013
Raiding is entirely a Twitch term, and you can't raid a stream that isn't live. Kill yourself

>>9144766
It's a Japanese thing I think. If I were to hazard a guess it's because the higher ups think it falls under spam, disrupts chat, and basically shifts the focus from the one streaming to the one whose raiding. I don't think raiding is particularly bad (though annoying) but it's one few official rules Hololive enforce in regards to streaming so it's just common courtesy and company policy to not do it.

>>9149787
Reminds me of when that HL2 speedrunner visited Ina's chat and killed the mood for the rest of the stream.

>>9144766
Fuck off Twitchtard, that thing only works in your emote-spamming platform
I want to see what my oshi is doing, a shoutout of other chuuba is okay but I don’t want her audience invading the stream all of a sudden

>>9147721
you're hard coping if you think you're any different from twitch viewers.

>>9150452
You will participate in a raid and you will like it.

>>9150452
>tune into any stream on youtube
>see emotes spammed in chat
hmmm

>>9150479
Post a clip from any 1k viewer streamer and I assure you there will be at least 10 consecutive walls of pog, sleeper or lul emotes
>>9150775
Feel free to open up roboco's stream right now if you want to prove that

>>9144766
because only gigantic faggots and /b/tards like raids. whichever you are, feel free to neck yourself.
>>9147987
>I don't watch vtubers for entertainment
then you have no reason to watch at all. you can go become An Hero and stop wasting bandwidth.
>>9149287
nothing idolfag about resenting shitty behavior.
>>9149322
raiding itself is a problem, so it's nothing youtube needs to implement.

>>9150894
>raiding itself is a problem, so it's nothing youtube needs to implement.
I was talking about ruining their viewer retention.

>>9146331
>their rules
You mean your made up rules?

>>9149102
You can choose not to participiate in the raid on twitch you know , one of its main purposes is to carry dead viewers to the other stream

>>9144766
It takes attention away from the streamer and the stream. It's awkward if the streamer doesn't even know who the raid is from. It's often nefariously done for free advertising for the raider, rather than to genuinely support the raid recipient.

>>9149609
Go to a website that chooses randomly from a list. Problem solved.

>>9150884
>sub only mode
clever girl. you win this time.

>>9151082
Who do you watch anon

>>9150190
Just start the next stream in a relay a minute earlier, there's a waiting screen anyway.
>>9150042
He probably meant hosting, it keeps chats separate.

>>9151082
Fucking everything is made up, what's your point?

>>9150884
You can enable follower-only mode, that's what some channels do when they get raided. Also, they can make it so you need to be a follower for an certain amount of time before you can type something in chat.

>Having fun with my kamioshi
>Raid happens, streams greet each other for 1 minute and then leave
>Day ruined

I want to see the fanbase warring against each other though. Imagine fandead destroying haaton for raiding Rushia's stream during a comfy zatsudan, or even worse chumbuds raiding Miko's stream and triggering all the 35p. You're gonna have to make a /hl/ board to contain all the drama.

>>9151194
>pekora randomly raids anya doing a watchalong
It's a lose/lose for everyone involved

>>9144766
Simply put, the Hololive fanbase is not yet mature enough for raids.

>>9151242
ur mom

>>9151405
They have no such rules.

>>9150190
Raiding is a twitch FEATURE retard
Don't you GET IT? FEATURE
IT SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE FROM TELLING VIEWERS TO JOIN THE NEXT STREAM AS TO CLICK A BUTTON TO SEND YOUR VIEWERS AWAY
plus you absolutely can idiot , why do you think they set up a waiting room before?

>>9151572
Sure, but nobody can start rrats that way.

>>9151436
I don't think you understand what EOP holofans are like, anon. Also, if Kiara got raided she'd be like "uh, read the rules guys" and get pissed off, if Ame got raided she'd quietly seethe for like 5 minutes, and if Anya got raided she'd be really happy for like 5 minutes and tell them to fuck off when they confused about the entertainment value of her stream.

Twitch has its own culture accustomed to it and with its own characteristics compared to YouTube anyway, why force a change? Go watch a vtuber of your own platform if you want it because it’s supposedly quirky

>>9151683
Read the descriptions of streams. There are rules. Ame is streaming right now and has these:

"►Don't spam excessively
►DO NOT TYPE YOUR WHOLE MESSAGE IN ALL CAPS LOCK LIKE THIS
►Don't raid others OR discuss me in other channels unless I am explicitly brought up
►Try not to backseat*

>>9151473
>an actual dramanigger
Why don't you just find a hobby?

>>9151943
Mobilefags shouldn't be allowed to have opinions.

>>9151943
YouTube is adding features from Twitch. Gifted memberships are next.

>>9151971
>►Don't raid others OR discuss me in other channels unless I am explicitly brought up
Kronii sent viewers to another stream after hers ended, do you see how that's different to this?

>>9151943
Incorporating new and good ideas is generally a good idea on it's own, anon.

>>9151082
>made upbrules
Read Holo stream descriptions.
Ignorance of rules isn't exemption from them.

>>9151943
There is no YouTube streaming culture

>>9150894
>then you have no reason to watch at all. you can go become An Hero and stop wasting bandwidth.
I have done more for this hobby than you ever will, so I'm fine thx

>>9151711
>IT SERVES THE SAME PURPOSE FROM TELLING VIEWERS TO JOIN THE NEXT STREAM AS TO CLICK A BUTTON TO SEND YOUR VIEWERS AWAY
But you know it doesn't work the same way, you're just pretending that audience would actually do what they're told to do since your argument wouldn't work otherwise
>gura tells her fans to watch x holo having a celebration stream, at best 1000 more people come and only because they're interested in hololive as a whole, this is ok since they most likely know the norms how to behave
>gura raids a holo having a celebration stream, 10k children suddenly get transported to a streamer they've never watched before, or even worse a streamer they can't even understand, they shit up the chat making it unusable until they get bored and go away

>>9152139

>>9152146
>change what isn't broken
nah kill yourself

>>9152139
I assume people don't like it because it can derail a stream.

>>9150775
watch PPT rn fag
Outside of rare moments where emotes are appropriate it's all text

>>9149474
people like you are absolutely the reason why clip only watcher deserves the fucking rope. You have absolutely fucking 0 idea on what relay stream actually represents because you have NEVER WATCHED A SINGLE ONE OF THEM.
The entire point of relay stream is they are cooperating with each other to create SOMETHING and is exclusively used for A VERY SPECIFIC OCCASSION. In relay stream, they have a minimum interaction with the chat, they are focusing on finishing a certain project. Relay stream is also solely reliant on the payoff of the entire project to project a sense of hard work and unity.
Unironically kill yourself you mouth breathing clip only watching nigger faggot. People like you angers me.

>>9151160
>It's often nefariously done for free advertising for the raider, rather than to genuinely support the raid recipient.
Cant wait for a bunch of nobodies raid a Holo stream to death until everyone in Hololive turns the function off

>>9152217
But there is Hololive streaming culture
In fact if anything, Youtube culture IS having no unified culture
Raids homogenize culture
Fuck homogeneity, diversity is our strength

>>9152407
I can't imagine watching Hololive without actually watching streams
shits weird man

>>9152407
NTA but can you get mad at me too? I'm trying to cum before the delivery guy gets here.

>>9152252
>people got mad
Doesn't change the fact that they have no rules against it, she couldn't have known the viewers are against it for some reason.

>>9152161
Read the OP, it's not the same type of raiding as you seem to think it is.

This is just retarded drama created by viewers.

>>9152706
There are 3 rules right there that would straight up discourage raiding and similar stuff, why the fuck do you think kronii would feel apologetic if she didn't break any rules?

Just get all of the Holos to turn it off and pretend the function never existed.
Problem solved, simple as

>>9152706
Bro, "Don't bring up other streamers or streams unless I mention them first." If a bunch of people from Kronii's chat show up and say Kronii sent us, that breaks that rule. It's really that simple. This shit doesn't bother me, but I'm trying to explain it so you understand. I happen to agree that it can be a stupid rule, but I also understand why it's there.

autistic people get trigger niggered when something unexpected happens. That's why it's ok when during a scheduled event like a relay but when it happens out of nowhere they start hyperventillating in their discord support group.

>>9152932
Because retarded viewers are blowing up her twitter? Fauna clearly didn't mind this sort of raiding from Kronii.

>>9153153
The rule is there to keep people from typing obnoxious shit like "please do x with y", if you honestly think she has an issue with this and this was the reason she has that rule you're out of your mind. Or just a shit stirrer.

>>9152407
Yes , but what does that have to do with encouraging viewers to watch the next stream? Are you ok?

>>9153314
Kronii minded because she knows it's against the rules, do you think she cares if schizos write dumb shit at her? She can stand her own fanbase just fine

It doesn't really work for youtube the way it does for twitch. Random interruptions on a twitch stream are expected but Youtube streams are more like recording a video live and I could see why people would be annoyed by that kind of stuff watching a vod. If Youtube added it though people would quickly get used to it and nobody would give a shit after a week.

>>9144766
Poraito Nihonjin Kaisha no raiku rudeness. Prease andastando.

>>9144766
>There literately no reason not to not to do it there are only benefits.
Hololive policy

I hate to break it to you guys, but your oshi doesn't care that much about you typing
>wow good job i wanna huff your farts
They'll happily take the views. Chat is always for attention seeking fags with fuck all to say and raids don't change that.

>>9153594
Okay what do you think made Kronii realise her mistake then?

Because Fauna didn't make a big deal out of it, so do you think she raided Fauna, then read the rules, then went "oh shit what I just did was against the rules I better go apologise"? Lmao.

>>9154491
t. Only watches EN
And even then most of the ENs hate raiding with a passion so if youtube adds this feature not a single holo will use it ever

>>9154558
>raid fauna
>go watch fauna's stream
>see that you completely stalled the stream for a moment
>"oh shit I'm sorry"

>>9154725
It really is that simple.

>>9154725
>>9155040
This is more likely.
>twitter blows up
>apologises to defuse twitter retards

>>9153153
>Don't bring up other streamers or streams unless I mention them first
>sees skull
YO MORI
>sees ugly face
YO IRYS
>sees fat arse
YO KIARA MY DOG JUST DIED

No one follows that rule. Effectively it's just a don't make streams entirely about another person rule. Which at worse with raids last for a minute, saying Ame sent me on repeat for longer isn't very fun compared to enjoying whatever is happening. You guys need to drop the secret club mentality. As any chuuba doing well will already have an influx of new viewers, and any chat past 5k is already nonsense spam.

>>9154600
You're misunderstanding what they mean by raiding they are against. They are against the sort of raiding that is toxic, when people jump from one stream go to another to flame just because that person hit their favourite streamer with a red shell or something like that.
Made clear by this.
>►Don't raid others OR discuss me in other channels unless I am explicitly brought up >>9151971

>>9155097
>blows up
I'm not sure if a dozen people out of 10k count as blowing up

>>9155285
Depends on their autism power levels. You just need one of them to go all huffy about not being a proper idoru. Then you got a crazed anti for life on a mission from god.

>>9155280
Youtube implementing the raid function would encourage people to act as retarded as they do on twitch, it won't be any different on the case they add the feature. It would be better to just tell people to check out a stream rather than just sending all your viewers including your retarded ones to another member's stream

>>9145325
>>9145530
>they bought the sea meme

Its like nobody realizes why Twitch has raids. Its because discoverability is absolute dogshit and the streamers are so disconnected from their peers Twitch came up with raids to keep viewers on Twitch and make their users do their work for them. Hololive in particular already solved this main problem with their structural interconnectedness which is even further boosted by the Youtube algorithm and recommendation engine even with how broken Youtube is.

>>9154491
>I hate to break it to you guys, but your oshi doesn't care that much about you typing
>this argument again
I hate normalfags so much

>>9155470
>Then you got a crazed anti for life on a mission from god
Genuinely respect those kinds of people as long as they're idolfags
Imagine calling a woman a whore every day cor her entire career because she was a whore. Incredibly based

>>9144766
>raids
Twitch culture, keep it away from YouTube

>>9155732
Does it hurt that much knowing your chats are so unimportant? YouTube comments have always been the lowest of the low. At best streamers follow the general mood, and maybe recognise your name if you post a lot while being an easy mark for superchats. Stop acting like emote spam is a precious culture.

>>9155966
So were live streams.

>>9146925
That also doesn't answer the question, the OP was asking why the rule exists, this was answered repeatedly, you just had to be pedantic and not even read the question carefully.

>>9146649
This.

A raid on twitch usually takes like 10 seconds and is barely noticable

>wow thanks for the raid, hope you had a good stream

Then the stream proceeds, it's not like the chat is any less spammy if you dont have raids. I dont even get why you want the chat to be "usable" considering the rules are made to discourage people from talking to one another in chat (especially prechat) and chances are your oshi wont read your comment either.

As it is right now, chat is full of 1-3 word messages which are all the same (yabe, かわいい, etc) and there's barely any interaction with the chuuba unless you superchat or they're asking for backseat. It's like screaming into a void and accepting raids surely wouldnt change any of that. The stream experience for hololive chuubas barely changes if you dont use the chatfunction, since they read messages, that they respond to out loud anyway.

>>9146331
literally what
>>9151082
says
Marine does this a lot when she ends and sees someone else online or someone is scheduled after her, only EOPs worry about this shit, it's literally beneficial and "the rules" only state that you should focus conversation to the stuff you watch right now, otherwise every chat would be peko plays minecraft better general or whatever.

>japanese are retarded
>some people pretend to be japanese
nothing new

I love this idea, now we need redeems and better discovering small channels and I will be more than happy to ditch fucking Twitch

If there's something I absolutely hate on twitch its the main subject of the stream getting delayed for an hour reading donations coming in from people who want donations before someone raids them and ends up chatting with them for several minutes, all of this unprompted, in an 8000 viewer stream, and suddenly I might not have the time to watch the thing I came in for. Twitch is about community though, so I guess I'm not allowed to complain.
Obviously there are some streamers who make it a point not to let these things interrupt their content or leave donation reading to the very end, but I don't want that kind of cancer in general, not just with vtubers.

>>9158950
>who want donations
who want attention*

>>9149474
Greetings chucklefuck. Oldfag here. Raids are discouraged because chat goes fucking ballistic with emojis and in the past - round two, three years ago or so - Youtube AI would decide that was a gross violation and legit nuke a channel right there.

>>9144766
I don't see how cross-promotion between chubas within same company (same gen even!) can be considered "raiding". Aren't they supposed to shill each other?

>>9158976
>oldfag

roru rumao

It's not like chats arent already full with emote spam, have you ever seen a karaoke stream? You probably haven't considering you have to announce yourself as an oldfag. You probably watch clips and nijisanji, as well as browse reddit. Fucking cringe. I am based.

Raiding is cancer.
But if you think Youtube chat is actually worthwhile, you're delusional. Look at your chuuba, not thousands of retards spamming desperately trying to get her attention.

>>9155712
Twitch created the raid feature to facilitate what streamers were already doing. Before the feature existed, streamers would just post the link to the raid channel in their chat.
https://blog.twitch.tv/en/2017/11/02/you-made-raids-were-making-them-even-better-3b58d7f3331c/

So half of the people here have NEVER seen Twitch

Just turn off raiding notifs if it's less than X amount of viewers, problem solved

Oh wait, VTubers have no chat moderators, what a hilariously retarded bunch

>>9159263
Nigger I said in the past. I can't help that Japan and EOPs are stuck in their paranoid ways.

man you niggers really are contrarians for the sake of being contrarians

>>9151643
as a longtime Twitch viewer, I'm starting to realize this.

EOP HL is the Let's Play audience.

>>9152473
you can turn notifications off for raids under a certain number of viewers, anon.

>>9153251
This seems to be the case. These people see a particular stream as some sort of sacred event instead of just one of many hundreds or thousands more to come.

>>9154725
>stalled a stream
uh, what? how does even work. it's some chick playing a game. keep playung the damn game. Ive seen large raids fuck up potential PB speedrun attempts and they're just taken in good fun. A stream is just a stream, anon. Otherwise, it would be prerecorded and then edited to hell.

>>9157719
This. Absolutely this. It seems like these people just want to stay in the prerecorded Let's Play days.

>>9146513
You don't remember Kiara getting raided by Artemis? People were pissed off for a while.

I watch pretty much nothing but indies and I hate raids because every time what happens is I'll be watching a comfy stream when suddenly some loud notification goes off and the chat becomes literally flooded with some retarded shit like "ASSFUCK RAID" and a billion emotes for a solid thirty seconds while the streamer stops everything to give their life story and then plays 20 questions with the raider.

>join stream group
>Can't tell your fans to support your coworkers
Raids should be encouraged and times should be set up so viewers can go from one to the other.

>>9144766
the whole concept of YT livestreaming is just discount twitch anyways
iunno how that's so out there

>>9158885
Only EOPs worry about this shit, because EOPs know that EOPs are absolute fucking retards. It's literally why Coco was allowed to interact with JP, but wasn't allowed to interact with EN. They knew that EN fans are retards who would respond to the spam by spamming back twice as hard, instead of just fucking ignoring it.

On Twitch when people get hosted or raided the streamers are always capable of finishing up or pausing what they are doing then welcoming the new viewers and interacting with them a bit before going back to the usual flow of the stream.
I don't understand why some vtubers need to act like little bitches about it.

>>9162137
>does even work. it's some chick playing a game
Good job proving you have no idea what you're talking about. Fauna wasn't playing a game

>>9144766
Regardless of what (You) think is acceptable and harmless, if you're on this website right now and defending Twitch culture or raiding bullshit you're probably a clipfaggot EOP who just discovered Hololive post Myth/Council, and your western brain assumes the way people in the west do shit is the only acceptable way. Rules have been a thing since the start, and they exist for a reason. You don't get to decide how the nips do their business, and they are the pioneers of Vtubing after all, the hobby probably wouldn't exist or be as developed if it wasn't for them.
You trying to defend actively going against these rules and saying shit like "but it's harmless and beneficial" can be equivalent to literal trannies on Twitter, ranting and complaining online about retarded bullshit like inclusivity, faggot rights, BLM and shit, trying to force others to agree and do what YOU think is right. You don't get to change the rules of a game you just learned about. That's how hobbies start to change and deteriorate, to appeal to niggers outside of the target demographic, only for them to move to something else after shitting everything up for the people who do care and will stick around.
Personally, raiding is cancer, and so is emote farming and spamming on Twitch. It literally rots the brain, and you can check it anywhere Twitch related where faggots cannot type a single sentence without attaching fucking buzzwords and emotes to their regular speech, even going as far as to using them when the speak IRL as well. That's fucking sad.
You already have Vtubers operating on Twitch. You want Twitch features and culture? Go there.

>>9147482
based
fuck youtube, Twitch is superior in every way

>>9163751
It's hipsters and anti-social retards complaining, as always.

>>9155525
>Youtube implementing the raid function
Youtube already has it and it's rolling it out to more people.
>The ability to send current viewers over to another Twitch channel is a feature that Twitch has offered for quite some time now. When a streamer is ending their broadcast, they can hit the “Raid” button and choose a friendly channel to bombard with new viewers. YouTube has been rolling out a similar feature called “Live Redirect” since the beginning of December and now more creators are seeing the option available to them.

>>9144766
People forget when Ame suggested to her chat to watch Haachama and her obnoxious fans started typing 'AME RAID' in the chat multiple times. Ame then had to scold them in her next stream.
There are anti raid rules to prevent low IQ niggers from being disruptive. Kronii was just lucky she was 'raiding' someone who was OK with it.

>>9144766
>Who does do people
selamat pagi

The fact that people in this thread come to say that those who don’t like raids are autistic or antisocial should give you an idea as to why some are annoyed at the idea

>>9144766
Because you don't want a large number of toxic obnoxious kids who know nothing about the streamer infesting the chat with their bullshit, requests and memes. Kronii fans generally know Fauna, though, so it is not too bad on this particular case.

twitch culture is retarded, i dont want to go to a stream and be bombarded with tts donations, and other annoying twitch donation sounds, and a chat full of retards spamming inane buzzwords
but to answer your question, bringing up another streamer has never been encouraged, i think primarily because it draws attention away from the current streamer and dilutes the chat with irrelevant topics

>>9155097
>>9155285
>>9155470
>>9155850
Given how formal it was, it was management that talked with her and made her do the apology, not twitter. Come on man, you should know this.

>>9144766
Ita annoying to derail the stream with "X viewer aays hi" and take focus away from the streamer. How ita carried isnt quite the same as twitch.
It could also just be Cover being anal

>>9169527
>chat full of retards spamming inane buzzwords
Wait a second, this sounds familiar....

>>9165774
Niggers will never not be disruptive. You need time limits to cut down on spam. Even that may not help. Chats have a scaling problem that can only be solved by paywalls.

>>9158885
Nah fuck that shit. Raid ruins the mood. It's one thing to suggest to watch other girl's stream, you have a choice to tune in by yourself and just "look around". Raid in the other hand is like if a bunch of people suddenly step in your house and be unnecessarily loud. Imagine the girl having a heart to heart moment with their audience and suddenly a fucking raid

>>9162274
People were, Kiara wasn't. She even sent Artemis a nice message on his birthday.

>>9174185
>Kiara wasn't
https://youtu.be/ZVW2dwZGcI8?t=21373

>>9144766
No clue, thought it helped streams

>>9164565
>t. holobrony faggot who doesn't know shit about Vtubers before Holoshit.

>>9146331
Who gives a fuck about a streamers "rules"? They're usually all the same and are universally fucking gay.

>>9144766
So imagine you're in a meeting room, and listening to a presentation you're interested in. Then you hear a bunch of people outside talking about something different, and then they all come into the meeting room you're in to change whatever was being talked about to instead being all about the new group that just arrived. Do you watch with joy and wonder at what is happening? Do you get upset that the fine time you were having is now cut into? Or do you not care either way because you're really just in the meeting to have something to do?

>>9152706
Backseating when a chuuba is playing poorly is pretty fun. Fauna sounds like she has a stick up her butt.

>>9148562
This is really the best answer in the thread.