/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>9099729
t. doesn't remember hopium

>>9099729
Revising history already? It hasn't even been 2 weeks yet. Mumei was literally
>You must literally have a PhD in history, strictly play RTS games and be the trad wife I always wanted

>>9099729
Because when your hype is all about being a God of Chaos, it brings high expectations. We already have Chaos Gods like Haachama, Pekora and Ollie

>>9099793
Who gives a fuck about the lore? Haachama was supposed to be a tsundere, retard.

>>9099793
Don't really care for the Aussie rrat because she streams out of my time zone but
>Haachama, Pekora and Ollie
I just think it's funny that this is the trifecta of cancer fanbases.

>>9099793
>ollie
>chaos god
Don't you compare a coked up ADHD zoomer with Godchama ever again.

>>9099835
Even better they're mad that the rat filters them hard.

>>9099826
Haachama is proof that lore is best when it's built up organically by the chuuba herself. Advertising elaborate chuuni lore before the debut creates high expectations which inevitably results in disappointment.

>>9099893
Only if you care about "official" lore which no one ever has

>>9099729
How is Mumei's name thematic?

Don't care, where's the porn

>>9099729
Bae is based as fuck and I have enjoyed everything she has done so far. Fuck the lore and fuck /vt/'s shitty opinions.

BAE LOVE

should've swapped Baelz with Selen.

Selen is the true embodiment of chaos

>>9100131
BAE LOVE

Ollie makes for a better Chaos Goddess than the stupid Rrat.

>>9100153
Selen is the embodiment of everything people complain about with Bae

>>9099729
I JUST WANT HER TO STOP YELLING EVERY 5 SECONDS!!!!

>>9100540
I hope Kronii will find a fraction of the happiness in her life that Bae found in that breakdancing move.

>>9100195
Sure, but Ollie is annoying

>>9100195

I'd rather watch Baelz speaks only 2 languages not 3.

>>9099729
Honestly, Ollie doomed this girl. She’d fit the Chaos role a million times better, so it’s inevitable that everyone would expect Balls to measure up to that level.

>>9099729
>Why is/vt/ like this?
Because Haachama exists.

>>9099729
KyO...

>>9100855
Ollie got fingered on stream though so that's a hard pass for all but the most dedicated cuck fetishists

>>9100855
I wouldn't say it was even Ollie. I think people were expecting a Pekora-level trickster from a chaotic rat character and she's doesn't really come across as that kind of person. There's no real malevolence to her and she's often the butt of jokes rather than the source of them.

>>9101065
She's more entertaining than Gura so at least we got that. I'd prefer her just be herself than trying to shoehorn herself into a dumb role based on chuuni lore.

>>9099729
/vt/ has a hateboner for the rat because they're intimidated by girls that don't act like autistic hikki neets or retarded moeblobs

>>9101260
No, the autistic hikki neets and retarded moeblobs weren't even the reason. Baelz failining was entirely from Cover hypeing her as the God of Chaos. However, that means an expectation that she had to compete with REAL established Chaos Gods, e.g. Haachama.

>>9100079
Anon anon, which means she's /here/

>>9101646
u wot m8

>>9101260
Actually the rrat is pretty calm and chill a lot of the time and that's where part of the dissatisfaction. People wanted/expected a Pekora or maybe a Holo Pippa (with less insanity) and that's just not what she is. The other thing is yeah Mumei turned out to not be some stodgy wise intellectual at all, however Mumei never tried to fit that role much in the first place, and just doubled down then triple-quadrupled down on the cute airhead bit. However rrat doesn't really match her presumptive personality yet apparently is trying to force it in anyway and some people once again don't like that because it just feels cheesy/fake. Being just really loud =/= funny or chaos, it's just annoying.

For Kronii and Fauna those embody abstract concepts that don't really translate a ton into presumptive personality. "Time" does not really denote someone's personality but "chaos" does. So, for some reason the expectations were just really high for her. Lastly in combination with that theme, the zany sexy, model looked to be a pretty strong /here/whistle to boot, which made people think this girl was gonna be really wild and witty, perhaps even genuinely witty if she had a /vt/ shitposter type flair to her. She's none of those things however. So just disappointments in basically everything except her rigging / design is nice. Even though she actually put on a good stream yesterday a lot of people just skipped out on it anyway when split between a bunch of Holo options, indicating like half her traffic is literally just there because she's the only EN on at the time and head-to-head she doesn't actually offer a lot.

Personally I like her being sweet and gentle as an irony points thing vs her look (Towa has the same kind of thing going) but she doesn't actually want to be ironically what she is but is instead apparently taking the >chaos god >not chaotic at all zings to heart. That or her manager is concerned and pushing her to fit her lore better.

>>9099783
>the trad wife I always wanted
That died, the moment we found out about her bf.
She is a whore... sadly.

>>9100153
Cover already got burned with the last fatty they employed

>>9102001
She seems to be a genuine ultra weeb aussie asian cutie, I don't think Cover would expect anything else from her. Her genmates probably get the same impression. I also like her for what she turned out to be.

>>9101260
This is no longer the 2010's. Not even anime caters primarily to that crowd anymore.

>>9099729
The only thing I'm disappointed about is her having shark teeth.

>>9099893
Part of what made Haachama grow big was the contrast to her original lore. For instance, you can just look at Polka who's lore and personality is a chaotic character but nowhere as popular.

holo council was rather boring. just like myth the only good thing that came out of it was mori's and kronii's tits.

>>9101260
I'm getting real strong vibes that this post is correct.

lmao wait so people don't like her because they're doing power-level comparisons like some marvel/DC autists? who gives a fuck if she can beat goku in a fight, she's plenty chaotic

>>9107550
Dude, Goku is multiversal. MUI Goku is literally stronger than the God of Destruction of his universe. Baelz can't do shit to him. Nobody except Haachama and Nene is at that level in hololive.

>>9103018
>we
fuck off idolfag, >we all love Mumei regardless of rrats or bf shit

>>9103510
>>9102001
She needs collabs and games that aren't broken. So far "there is no game" is her most watched VoD and that was streamed at a very odd hour. Also streaming on JP hours is great for the Elevens and Kiwis but if she wants numbers she needs to find a good slot on NA that doesn't overlap with her Genmates.

Everything else, I like the way she is.

>>9103018
>must be a trad wife
>is in a committed heterosexual relationship
Wait, not like that!

>>9099893
>>9101363
>>9106889
Based and understandingpilled. The contrast (and the horror aspect) is also why her lore streams are so popular.

>>9107168
Based and hornypilled.

I thought she was gonna be an annoying cunt, but I got a sweet girl instead. I'm happy with this outcome.

>>9103018
They're entertainers, bro. Calm down.

>>9111043
I can't watch most of streams since they are pas midnight

Yis. That's what you get when you go Chuuni lore for a vtuber. You set expectations. If you can't live up to them, then don't make lore videos promoting that. Just give a brief flavor text and be done with it.

See when people think CHAOS they thing Penguin of Doom type LOL XD RANDUM type shit.

Chaos can be more low key and fucking with things in smaller ways. The greatest madness is the one you create in your own head

>>9111922
Consider the following the greatest force of Chaos is Entropy. Everything will eventually move towards disorder, towards Chaos.
The chat is moving that way. This board is moving that way. THIS VERY THREAD Going that way.

Right now she's sowing more chaos here than you fuckers can even begin to understand. And that's what being the embodiment of Chaos is

>>9111919
Lore made by chubers themselves will always be miles better than whatever shit Cover comes up with anyway. No matter what it is, it will never be able to compete with lore that were developed with actual substance and history behind them (i.e. streams).

Khaos Blaze is for rough_sex and forced_orgasm. That's the entirety of her character. Everything else is irrelevant, and nobody can convince me otherwise.

>>9112255
>will eventually move towards disorder
In some way, entropy is the maximum amount of order. Things so well ordered that no change is possible.

>>9100855
The question is WHY Baelz expected to fit a predetermined personality when none of the other en2 are, or any other vtuber for that matter.
The answer is because her theme is the only one that people associate with a personality, so it creates a retarded double standard.

>>9112365
Do you watch her streams? She seems to have genuine fun hamming it up.
Once she gets comfortable, I hope to see a lot of unique memes coming from her

>>9110913
Depends on what kind of hax Baelz has. I'd imagine the embodiment of chaos has some tricky powers. Dragon Ball has a very simplistic power system. In Dragon Ball, being super powerful just means you can dish out massive amounts of physical force. Not very useful against, say, a reality warper that can turn your brain into sand with a thought. Not saying Baelz can do that, I'm just saying that Dragon Ball, with all it's ridiculous universe/multiverse busting characters, is actually a pretty easy verse to beat due to it's incredibly simplistic nature.

>>9112477
Yeah but just being a genki rat is not enough for people fixated on le chaos lore, so it creates a bad feedback loop where they pressure her to match their double standard and being disappointed when it feels unnatural. It should be treated like every other en2 theme, which don't directly define a personality.

Lore-wise, Baelz is the oldest and the embodiment of the natural concept of chaos. When you're that old, sometimes you just wanna chill. A very controlled and refined depiction of chaos.

>>9113288
Play the long game cause minor ripples. You're not some newcomer like that Owl who's still boasting about Civilization.

Her probably most chaotic era was the entire dawn of time thing. A bit more fun and disorder meant that the entire matter-antimatter ratio was a bit off. Was supposed to be nice and even you see but that's just not fun! So just mess around a little bit and oh hey space actually now has THINGS in it now compared to just being energy. You know how boring that would be?

>>9103018
Take your meds, schizo.

Think Chaos from hades, not jokermode schizo chaos

hi every1 im new!!!!!!! *holds up spork* my name is baelz but u can call me t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m!!!!!!!! lol…as u can see im very random!!!! thats why i came here, 2 meet random ppl like me ^_^… im 13 years old (im mature 4 my age tho!!) i like 2 watch invader zim w/ my girlfreind (im bi if u dont like it deal w/it) its our favorite tv show!!! bcuz its SOOOO random!!!! shes random 2 of course but i want 2 meet more random ppl =) like they say the more the merrier!!!! lol…neways i hope 2 make alot of freinds here so give me lots of commentses!!!!
DOOOOOMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <--- me bein random again ^_^ hehe…toodles!!!!!

love and waffles,

t3h PeNgU1N oF d00m

>>9113130
Nope. Dragon Ball scaling dictates that if you're strong enough, you can blatantly ignores all kinds of hax and pretty much nothing will work on you. Goku literally moves through in erased time because he's just that strong and logic has nothing on him. Vegeta shoves off a God of Destruction's "Hakai" blast that erases anything from existence because he's just strong to be erased.

See https://vsbattles.com/threads/hax-resistance-scaling-issues-xs-superior-to-y-gets-z-hax-resistance.116030/ if you want more proof.

>>9114922
I wonder what all the XD RANDUM girls grew up to be

>>9113130
Nope. Dragon Ball scaling dictates that if you're strong enough, you can blatantly ignores all kinds of hax and pretty much nothing will work on you. Goku literally moves through erased time because he's just that strong and logic has nothing on him. Vegeta shoves off a God of Destruction's "Hakai" blast that erases anything from existence because he's just too strong to be erased.

See
https://vsbattles.com/threads/hax-resistance-scaling-issues-xs-superior-to-y-gets-z-hax-resistance.116030/
if you want more proof.

>>9099729
>doesn't remember mumei strategy/history hopium threads
>doesn't remember ceres tsundere/biology hopium threads
>doesn't remember kronii fate references hopium threads
>doesn't remember sana astronomy/astrology hopium threads she delivered though

>>9115110
>kekballs are actually baellzfag

Cant make this shit up

>>9115595
Those aren't personalities though.

>>9099893

>>9106889
haato's "lore" is shit and you're retarded if you think otherwise, faggot. she was doing just fine before attracting you /b/tards, and was legitimately better before then. back when she could actually enjoy streaming instead of having you cunts expect her to keep to
>I KILL ME AND THEN I KILL ME BACK AND PUT MY HEAD ON MY BODY AND THEN I AM THE SISTER I DON'T HAVE WHO KILLED ME BUT I KILLED BACK BUT IS CALLING MY PHONE DESPITE BEING DEAD AND HEADLESS
forever no matter how much she points out how tiring it is to have to keep "in character" constantly and how she had and has no clue where to take the shit anymore.
>>9101363
>haato
>established chaos god
>
>>9112365
because anonymous is retarded, pretty much.

>>9116200
>no matter how much she points out how tiring it is to have to keep "in character" constantly
Link me a video and a timestamp where she says exactly this or you're just talking shit

>>9115985
nobody cares that you don't understand.

>>9115595
this. the rat was the only one who showed any potential at all to live up to the hopium.
People are still holding on to the possibility.
She's keeping it up pretty well despite still being new.

>>9115192
EN vtubers

>>9115247
Bro Goku can be killed by a heart attack. I'm sure a creative reality bender could find a way. You don't even need to target Goku himself. Here's an idea: remove the atmosphere. He needs oxygen right? He can survive in space for a limited time but he WILL suffocate eventually.

>>9117095
And this is why you don't be a retard and immediately declare what they'll be before you meet them.

Or are you people who preorder games on day of announcement then complain that it doesn't meet up to the vague as fuck announcement teaser

>>9117095
You must've been real fuckin cheesed when roboco didn't have a robot voice.

>>9117746
I would have liked her design to have more robot/doll joints but that's more me talking about AESTHETICS since those old Robofeet were just perfection...

>>9117746
what's a robot voice? Aren't robots meant to mimic humans?

>>9117427
Thing is without prior knowledge his opponent would not know that and Goku is so fast anyway (Massively Faster Than Light+) that he can speedblitz Baelz or whoever and stop them before they can even begin doing their reality-bending.

And given that Baelz isn't even a god, if Goku speedbiltzs her, it's over.

>>9103018
I don't really think it's HER desu. It's either a false rrat or she is very good at pretending to be retarded.

>>9118159
Even the ones voiced by humans sound like robots, i.e. Alexa. This dude probably wanted her to talk like Microsoft sam.

>>9099783
She wants to do history streams but management wont let her.

>>9103018
*cums on you*

>>9118946
eh? source?

>>9119397
https://youtu.be/_WCG3s4bXPo?t=7518

>>9100855
Ollie doesn't even fit in hololive, she wants to be a gay #blm twitch streamer

>>9119669
Damn. I wonder what dark secrets of history she discovered.

>>9120943
history is pretty much all violence. the mumei thread had a fun discussion about the history of potatoes when that dropped. the irish famine that may have intentionally been caused by british imperialism. among others!

>>9119669
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PxwDZ84eeA

>>9100195
you could say that Bae is an administrator of the concept of Chaos and speaks for it, while Ollie is affected by it regardless of her own will

>>9121299
b- based?

>>9121393
ahh, just the administrator, not the embodiment.
She doesn't get high on her own supply

>>9100855
The rrat is fine, but it's definitely the comparisons with Ollie that mess her up. Being loud, a decent jp speaker and having somewhat similar designs was just a bad idea.

>>9121299
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSr9eTmeKI

>>9116200

>>9110913
Anon, Beerus literally 1 shot SSB:EE Vegeta without even trying. MUI is nowhere near Beerus. Not even remotely close.

Lets put it this way: Moro was stomping MUI Goku. Beerus didn't even remotely care when he had to fight him. Moro wasn't even a threat to him.

>>9099729
It's because the rat herself thinks that's what she's supposed to do. She's a hololive fangirl and afraid that Cover will punish her somehow if she relaxes and stops forcing the character.

>>9125768
Back in the Tournament of Power arc Jiren was stated to be stronger than a god of destruction, and MUI Goku > Jiren so it was a logical conclusion based on these facts. At least that's how it was for the anime.

I also get the impression that Dragon Ball Super manga Goku is actually weaker than anime Goku, but I've only got VS Battle wiki to back this up.

My response to lorefags:
https://youtu.be/ixdo93X6-ek

>>9125768
>>9126506
>late 90's
>start surfing the internet
>can't wait to uncover the multitude of wonders that await me on the information super highway
>find faggots arguing about Dragonball
>2021
>faggots still arguing about Dragonball on the internet
Maybe life isn't so bad after all

>>9126506
They retcon'd it. Beerus is massively above MUI Goku. After TOP a guy named Moro comes along and he ends up being stronger then Jiren.

In the end Beerus has to be the one to kill him. And Moro goes absolutely insane when Beerus shows up. He realizes he's 100% fucked.

perfect Moro was shit stomping MUI Goku who is way stronger then he was in TOP.

>>9119669
What the fuck is wrong with Cover? Other corporate vtubers can do it, not just indies. Hell, Layla from Nijisanji ID often talks about Indonesian history.

>>9099793
>Pekora, Ollie
You don't watch them at all

>>9126506
I will also say when Vegeta fought Beerus again this was way after the TOP. Vegeta had a new form and was berserk. Didn't even scratch beerus who wasn't even trying. Beerus does 1 attack and Vegeta is face down in a crater.

Beerus has UI and Ultra Ego which means his attacks are lethal and you cant really hurt him either. He has semi-perfect defense and perfect offense.

So yeah MUI Goku is not on the scale of Beerus.

>>9116200
based