/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8999669
Americans make up a good portion of the native speaking EN audience, while the ESLs have difficulty understanding Sana. This is obviously going to have a big impact.

>>8999669
It's because she's awful, even Ame's SC readings are way more entertaining than this.

I forgot to say Americans are sleeping at this time.

>>8999669
>Hire artist
>Doesn't draw
For what purpose

>>8999669
Kiara has gotten less than 3k with debuff games.

>>8999699
Kiara didn't have it that bad in her first few weeks

>>8999699
>while the ESLs have difficulty understanding Sana
Not really, no.

>>8999734
T. Flat earther

I am bread was a shit game, but Sana still managed to pull 12k on it. It’s that her main audience is asleep at this time.

>>8999669
I'm racist and only want to watch white vtubers.
Nothing personel.

>>8999810
First few weeks, retardchama...

>>8999669
Im gonna save this space bitch even if its the last thing i do

>>8999699
Never had a single issue understanding her, i just got filtered by the first 2 streams. Maybe i will check her soma stream later.

>>8999669
peko suba aqua kuzu

>>9000033
> Not even Kiara has ever been THIS unpopular in comparison ti her genmates.
>has ever been
First few weeks wasn't a qualifier.
wasted numbers

>>8999669
I most probably wouldn't watch her myself, if I didn't know her backstory. But since I am heavy size fetishist, and her voice accent and general soft attitude, with frequent genuine aughs, makes me feel like I am near someone kind, motherly, playful, and, at the same time, HUGE, I feel comfy. Protected even? It feels good listening to her with those vibes.
So yeah, I can't objectively say if she is good as entertainer, but I am glad she exists, her streams feel fucking good to me. God damn if she also used echoing voice effect from time to time...

>>9000063
I didn’t mean all ESLs. But it could just be about her main fanbase sleeping, and I’m giving too much weight to the ESL filter thing. She already had an established a fanbase at a certain time, then abandoned it. Even though her current time slot if free from EN competition, she actually has lower viewership despite it.

>>8999699
I would argue ESL's have an easier time understanding foreign dialects.

>>8999669
She's streaming at peko hours

>>8999669
>dey ain't hea

I think it really just comes down to timezones really. Sana's an aussie so she streams at Aussie hours, great for me since I actually live here but not so much for Americans since they're 14+ hours behind us. There's no way she can stream for an American audience in mind without completely flipping her sleeping schedule.

>>9000321
But dead hours! This is why there are few streams during dead hours.

>>9000546
Oh fuck off retard, Baelz streams at total meme hours too yet she still grabs 10k+ viewers.
Hell even Kronii's times are often trash for anyone not living in the commiecoast of USA, yet her numbers are great.

>>9000546
Also her model have practically zero bounce despite her huge knockers means she can't pick up the horny crowd like Kronii

>>9000454
I admit I could be wrong. I suppose the more reasonable conclusion is simply that most Americans are sleeping at the time, which makes up a good chunk of her viewers, rather than to simply say they can understand her better.

>>9000685
>haha yeah once i post that pic all the meanies will stop making fun of her
I can't even make fun of you holy shit

>>8999974
based i respect that

>>9000667
>Baelz streams at total meme hours too
Hakos has a JP audience though, and isn’t called an ESL filter like Sana. You cannot compare her to Sana in that way.

I woke up at 6:45 EST to watch Sana and I am enjoying watching her play Soma!

It's basically just the EU crowd so that's probably why the numbers look low. She spent all last week streaming at impossible hours for us so give eufags a break.

Not a Sanafag myself, but:
It makes no sense, there's literally nothing wrong with her content. She might not be anything special, but she's not worse than the others either. Is her model really that much of a debuff?

Also, if you can't understand what she's saying you're literally retarded. She speaks more clearly than the average burger.

Another anon got me to give her a second chance after her debut, so i checked the latest stream she had up at the time, the bread one. And while what filtered me at first (her humor) wasn't there, i have found her... boring. She's just not entertaining for me and it would seem that a lot of people agree with me or have other reasons to avoid her content. I don't hate her or anything, but what's her strong point, really? What does she have to offer that other talents don't?

>>9000778
How does it feel to be wrong?
t. not anon

>>9000546
this is probably one of the real reasons
I'm on the us east coast and her stream started at around 7am which is probably rough for most people

>>9001000
It's unironically because she's brown. People have tried to come up with every excuse under the sun to deflect from this, but the reason is obvious.

fucking clocksucker is getting too obnoxious

While she'll still make more money than I'll ever do, I would love to hear how dhe actually feels about shit views and being by far the least popular EN. Must sting

>>9001130
Now imagine how rough that would be for the West coast.

>>9001000
Susan is throttling her exposure is all. Subscribers who bother to frequently check their sub page and her profile for the stream link will always be able to find her, but many people are lazy and rely on automated reminders from Youtube. Reminders and subscriptions which can be conveniently "lost and not sent" at any time.

As to why she'd do this for Sana specifically, who knows for sure?

>>9000960
holy based

>>8999974
cringe, I don't respect that

>>8999669
you niggers just fucking play the stream even if you have to mute it and do something else. at this rate she will fall blow nijiniggers. learn from jp fans and do box pushing

>>9001349
>Susan keeps screwing over Sana, who is Australian
>Susan's restrictive policies on content freaked Cover out and caused them to restrict Haachama, who is also Australian
>Susan killed Kiara's channel twice, who is also Australian
Susan clearly hates Australia

Nepotism
Excuses, excuses, excuses
think objectively

>>9001000
For me, it's that I literally just don't give a shit about any of the game she's played. And I need to get hooked on a vtuber before I can put on an hour of their zatsudans while I'm doing something else.

When she plays something I actually find interesting, I'm sure I'll start liking her from there, and watching the rest of her stuff. But it's just that it hasn't happened YET, so I don't see a good chance to spend time watching her content.

>>9001434
I got it.
Australian internet does funky things to Youtube servers whenever they stream and inevitably chug / freeze.
So Susan just hates Australian streamers in general.

>>9001000
> Is her model really that much of a debuff?
It is. The average surface anime consuming weeb, which is 99% of the viewership, wants the typical anime girl look which means pale skin. Delicious brown is and has always been a nieche taste. Thats why she is way more popular here than she is anywhere else on the web.

>>9001396
This.

probably all tuning on Peko time.

>>8999669
her accent is repulsive. what was cover thinking

>>9001289
I refuse to even partially empathize with commiefornians

>>9001396
She's only my 3rd favorite in gen 2, but I'm saviorfagging whenever I have time to catch her streams (like now).

>>9000991
EU fags get all the good stream times. We need somebody other than Gura and Irys to cut NA a break. A fucking 6 hour time block that hardly anybody fucking stream in.

ok seriously though who thought "giantess fetish" was mainstream enough to base a holo on? I've been seeing it pop up more and more lately but it's not like feet level popular.

>>8999669
She literally started at like, 5AM PST dumbass. Burgers are just waking up and getting to work. You know, her main demographic?

>>9000991
>It's basically just the EU crowd
Its not even that because only NEETs and home office workers can watch her right now kn EU. Everyone else is busy.

>>9001014
She's actually good at video games for starters

>>9001545
Its honestly very difficult for me to comprehend how anyone could hate delicious brown...
Do normies have brain damage?

>>9001635
Well if she went back to her American fanbase, the numbers were decent enough. That’s all she really needs.

>>9001762
>black skin
>wearing a maid outfit
Who the fuck thought that this was a good idea?

>7am burger time
>Everyone commuting, working, or sleeping still
Numberfags outside the containment thread deserve a vacation

>>9001434
fucking racists
'ate em

>>9001833
It's an excellent aesthetic.

>>9001545

it's really not just the skin issue. Shit like Nagatoro is widely popular outside of Japan and it could work. Main issue is the design overall: the hair is ugly and clashes with skin, the tits are way too big so they look ridiculous, and the whole design just has that unfinished indie feel to it. I have no idea waht the artist was smoking that day because he can draw well,but this was a huge L

>>9000454
What do you think that all other accents are somehow more related compared to American English vs them? What you are saying is fucking stupid.

>>9001982
Yet Oyris seems to be doing fine with her shittily designed model. Not that I'm complaining, she's great.

>>9001762
Delicious brown only applies to elves and fair skinned girls with a tan. Sana, as well as that thing in your pic, are so brown they look like niggers and that isn't delicious at all.

>>9001982
Okay yet kronii has the highest sub count of her gen and her tits are monster huge as well and super excessively revealing

>>9001982
>I'm gay
>and it looks indie, my opinion is valid okay?

>>9001833
an actual black girl in real life, apparently

>playing soma at a relaxed pace
>goes through her thought processes
>actually wants to read stuff
Holy fuck I love this woman.

>stream every day at 8-10 pm EST
>suddenly stream at 7 AM
>"how could this happen!? where did her audience go!?"
I'm catching the VOD later because I sure as hell was not going to be able to wake up that early

>>8999735
She started streaming at 8am EDT/5am PDT in US. If she streams in the morning she'll get prime time N.A. hours.

>>8999669
And even such numbers she is still more popular than a lot of hololive JP.

>>9002143
Really? Got a name?

>>9001434
Typical of those kinds of people, you know they hold grudges. ;)

>>8999844
Some SEAnig were saying they were having trouble understanding her and Baelz a little but.
>>8999974
t. Indonesian

>>9002093
I think Irys benefitted from debuting alone. Sana’s shit design is getting mogged by her genmates. Who would watch her when the other girls are so much cuter?

>>9002198
Her stream was at 4am for West coast, 5am for mid, and 7am for East.

>>9002310
But I love her design...

>>8999974
Based and obviously a lot of people think the same way whether consciously or not based off the numbers.

>>8999669
This situation is where a competent managers would help her with finding her niche and her best hours to stream. They should be reviewing demographics and concurrent view after every stream. Instead, Omega non binary is shitposting all day on Twitter.

>>9002410
Didn't Sana say she was experimenting with timezones for this stream or did I mishear something? Because this is WAY out of schedule for her.

>>9002310
Sana has the best design of EN2

>>9002342
We’ll statistically, you’re a minority. Congratulations!

Still more than every NijiEN including Shitlen.

>>9002106
>brown they lok like niggers
I will never understand how burgers can be so obsessed with niggers they think about them all day, yet seem to have no idea what they look like. Leaving aside Sana's skin tone being way too light, neither she nor the elf have remotly negroid featurey.

>>9002318
Even shittier. I rounded the wrong way. Everyone is asleep or working night shift on the continent. And let's be honest, JPs and SEAs aren't into brown people.
>>9002451
Maybe but I remember her streaming in the morning for me a few days ago. I think she started the stream a bit later but this is the worst timeslot possible.

>>9002465
Based on what statistics, exactly? All I'm seeing is people pulling shit from their ass as if it were fact.

>>9002453
I dunno about best, as I'm generally put off by babyfaced designs, twintails and huge bazongas.
Yet, I find her design rather endearing, especially when she's goofing off, it feels fitting and easy on the eyes.

That said, I also think Kronii's design is a trash heap made of stupid, I'm clearly in the minority as far as holo aesthetics go.

>>9002493
Most blacks in America are mixed with white and a bit of Native ancestry. So they see brown skin and think Black people. You think pitch black pure African but I'd say less than 10% of American blacks have that much black admixture. Think about it. Beyonce is called black and Sana is darker than her.

>>9002451
>Didn't Sana say she was experimenting with timezones for this stream
I believe it’s all experimental. The problem is that she has a second stream at the same time on her schedule. She need only experiment once for each time she tries.

>>9002603
Welcome to /vt/

>>9001833
Americans in the 18th century

>>9000991
I’d rather watch any HoloJP instead of EN. Everyone in HoloJP streams always in this time frame and EN just do it scarcely, so of course I’ll stick to JP.

It’s honestly a waste of time to stream different time slots since you’ll never get loyalty doing that. I’m not gonna watch any EN just because they decided to stream once a month in EU friendly slots. I’m gonna stick with JP who always do it.

Also HoloEN is pretty much bootleg HoloJP. It’s not even a fair competition.

Try not to fall between two stools.

It's 2021, and no one cares about colors and accents.
What about youtubers and xqc?

One word: Excessive self-consciousness.

>>9001014
The title filtered me to not even look. Sounds like reddit humor copied from an Ina stream title.

>>9000667
> commiecoast

True and kek.

They need to fix her model ASAP. I feel bad for the actress because shes actually entertaining. Mumei and Kronii streams are GARBAGE compared to her, but this avatar is ruining everything.
Im not even talking about skin color, the hair is shit, the clothes are shit. A new outfit may be the solution.

>>9002897
People would watch the shit out of this girl.

>>9000454
That's wrong. They maybe have an easier time understanding someone with their own dialect, I've not see that, but I've had to pseudo translate (for want of a better word) for ESL people before on a few occasions.

>>9002830
It was some normie 2015 YT game, stuff you'd see from pewdiepie. Idk, maybe i should try and check her again next time she gets a buff game...

The way she talking in current SOMA stream filter me hard. She focus on nothing but small details, with make it hard to follow the story.

>>8999669
Not being racist here it's just her skin kinda looks like poop to me

>>9001833
USA in the 1800s

>>9003175
Brazil too.

Kiara with 10 times more subscribers.

>>9001833
I like it.

>>8999669
The time slot, simple as that.
Normally she streams 7 to 11 PM for US now she streamed at 4-7 am, those 5K watching are mostly her fans from Europe and such

>>9001833
Yeah imagine giving a shit just because a fucktard faggot like you would be offended that it reminded you of slavery.

>>9002897
Yeah, Sana looks like brown Silvervale and that's just not gonna work in Hololive.

>>9002219
the vtuber's name is Trinity

>>9002342

You have brain damage. I am sorry you had yo learn it here.

>>9002106
Fag.

>>9003321
This plus some suspicious throttling by Susan. I feel bad for Sana.

Everyone is trying to find one thing that makes her less popular than her genmates, but it's actually a combination of all those factors

>accent
>timezone
>uninteresting games
>brown skin
>shitty title and thumbnail
Maybe I'm a retard, but imo brown skin is not a debuff in otaku culture. See Nagatoro-san, Amy from Suisei no Gargantia, Kuro in Fate Illya...etc
Maybe she's the wrong kind of brown

My take on this is her first stream after debut was shit. Hakos and Fauna did Q&A which is fine, you can spend more time talking to your audience and get to know each other. Kronii and Mumei played very popular games that fit their RP (12mn and Journey).
Meanwhile Sana was talking about bread. That's the kind of stream you're supposed to do when people already know you (cooking stream, gacha stream...etc), not when you are in still trying to grow fast.

The people who saw that stream never came back

>>9002603
Yeah, if only there were some numbers that we could reference that would show Sana’s relative popularity. For example if we could tell how many people were watching her. Even better if there was some metric on her youtube page that could be an indicator of the number of fans she has.
Oh well, guess we’ll never know.

>>9000546
>without completely flipping her sleeping schedule.
she could push it a few hours later and be in EU hours without any problem

Why do you guys give a shit so much about designs? Stop pretending like you even watch the streams and don't just listen to them in the background while doing other things.

>>8999669
I would watch her but I don't want my 4chan bros to think I'm not racist.

>>9003501
If anything normalfaggots seem to like her less than us, thus proving that when push comes to shove 4channers are the good guys as always.

>>9003497
If people didn’t care what they look like, they’d just put on any random ethot in the background.

>>9000667
Half of Bells' fans are JOP

>>9003580
I mean they already do that, that's sort of the concept of vtubers mostly, it puts a mask of some anime whore so the only thing that sets them apart is their personalities ironically making it so people watch them for their actual character rather than Chaturbate twitch streamers.

>>9000778
Are you crying because that anon mogged on you faggot? That is you

Well these are Sana’s last two streams (in pic). Top one was at 8-11pm for the US (12k), while bottom one was at 4-7am for US (6k).

Unlike Bae, Sana has a primarily-English speaking audience and this stream had a bad time for them. She had bigger numbers in streams that aired later than this.

She is streaming too early for NA and the Japs don't like brown people.

>>9003437
It's entirely a timezone issue imo. All the other girls (except Bells) stream at optimal hours for NA. Sana streams at hours where NA is about to sleep.

>>9003258
Man, I can't wait for this chicken suicidal stream with under 1k viewers.

>>9003680
Bro your up and down reps...

>>9001833
You take that back. It's kino.

>>9003926
Opps. Oh well.

Love Kronii
don't care about the rest

>>8999974
Baste, browns and Koran dog hands seething.

>>9003465
>numbersfag
Ahh, now I see why you're so stupid. I should have seen it sooner.

>>8999669
Why don't redditors watch her, I always see her on the subreddit with posts with upvotes twice her CCV

>>9002198
You know people have to go to work right? Last week's time does were good for me because I could catch it live during dinner (PST).

>>8999800
This is what I don't get. Two weeks in and no drawing stream in sight. Is she afraid of stealing Ina's viewers?

>>9003951
I like the chocolate

>>8999669
>design has a dated 90s look
>but it's a 90s brown girl which people don't like the look of
>everyone already watched gura play soma
The game is the biggest debuff, probably.

Sana can actually look good with different hair and skin shading, like in fanart. But like irys, the artistic style of her model design does a disservice to the character. Brown girls are best portrayed in an overly sexualized, properly shaded post 2000s style, while tan, crimson haired demons are best portrayed in a lit up 90s to 2000s style like sana's rather than a post 2010 gacha style.

Remember the maxim ASMR: art style matters, rigga

>>9000685
best post in this thread

I'm kinda glad her views are tanking this hard, sanafags are becoming the most obnoxious fanbase on this board, that should put them in their place. Unless they decide to try shilling their mediocre chuba even harder.

>>9003680
The bottom one was reuploaded, so those numbers are nonsense.

Less viewers just means more Sana for me.

>>8999669
~ 4% attendance
This is pretty good actually. Ideally you should look at week, to see the real numbers.

>>9001560
Her accent is her only redeeming quality.

>>9005473
Those numbers are Sana’s live viewers, and have nothing to do with her VOD numbers. If you have any questions you should just ask, rather than stating nonsense.

>>9003258
Yet she gets more superchat money than Ina with more people watching her while playing Kusoge games.. I think Kiara and Mori have the right idea. Instead of worrying about the fickle viewer numbers, try to foster and keep your existing bags of money known as your dedicated viewers. Will probably work out better in the long run.

>>9005445
>I'm kinda glad her views are tanking this hard, sanafags are becoming the most obnoxious fanbase
They aren’t gloating over her numbers, so nothing is going to change.

>>9005844

It's also what Rushia, Coco, Flare and Marine do.
Works like a charm.

>>9005956
Who is this Coco?

>>9005844
Until you realize that SCs isn't their main way of making money.

>>8999735
Baelz at this hours can manage to keep around 10k views.

>>9001833
Probably the same people who started a maid cafe in Detroit.

>>9001566
Based

>>8999800
I guess Mumei already had a drawing stream planned this week, so she probably thought of doing it a bit later down the track.

>>9001434
kiara is austrian
that's a country in europe

Her outfit is just straight up ugly, the head balls look bad

>>9006070
>Baelz
Hakos has a nice size JP audience. Sana doesn’t get that audience.

>>8999838
She kind of did, her Fire Emblem playthrough wasn't popular

>>8999669
all she has to do is cry on stream about her numbers and let the saviorfags flock to her

Sana is going to continue having bad numbers when she streams at bad hours. Bad hours include streaming when Gura streams or in hours where the US is asleep.

>>9006564
>Bad hours include streaming when Gura streams or in hours where the US is asleep.
Sana makes 9k live viewers when Gura streams, and apparently 6k live viewers when US sleeps. The latter of 6k was also a free slot without any EN competition. So she’s better off at a US time even when streaming against competition.

>>8999669
>Not even Kiara has ever been THIS unpopular in comparison to her genmates.
Lets not get carried away anon. There's been lots of times when Kiara struggled to break 2-3k on streams while the rest of Gen1 never slipped below 7. She's in the same gen as Gura ffs
Hell, early on after the debut hype died down, Ame and Mori still consistently got over 10k.
This is actually kind of normal. It sucks to be her, but there's precedent

>>9003351
>brown Silvervale
That's an... apt comparison. Jesus, shit's bad man

>>8999974
Post skin color with timestamp

>>9002493
>I will never understand how burgers can be so obsessed with niggers they think about them all day, yet seem to have no idea what they look like
The term "mutt" doesn't only apply to "white" Americans. Most of the people living in the USA are some kind of mystery meat combo from all over the world

>>9001545
then why did Nagatoro blow up like she did? This is bullshit and you know it.
You wanna add 20k subs to Sana easily? Go commission any good artist who draws decent japanese artstyle to draw her with some tanlines. When you post that shit, explain how her tan is due to direct impact from the sun, of course, because she has no own athmosphere or some shit.

>>9005844
Sure, because superchats numbers are easy to see. But you forget about merch, ad revenue, memberships and sponsored streams. What you're saying is the equivalent of the guy looking for his key under the light because there is light here, but he lost his key elsewhere

>>9003437
Both Nagatoro and Kuro act like brats most of the time, maybe that's what Sana is missing? They're also really young

>>9003437
>Maybe she's the wrong kind of brown
It's this.
I really don't know what the fuck Pako was doing here by making her kawaii uguu rather than cool like 99% of the shit he draws.

>>9007129
it does fit her better though, she's a sweetheart.

>>9007166
Which means we could have had gap moe which is a big buff.

>>8999699
Actually true, it definitely is more difficult to understand her and requires me to listen much closer to what she's saying. It's not like it's super challenging or anything but it's enough effort on my part that I'd rather do something else.

Sana has potential, she'll have her big break eventually

>>9007273
just like kiara and anya

if she can stick with a 7-10 pm EDT time slot, her numbers will go up.

ill appreciate anybody who streams in 5-8pm eu time, so far kiara is the only one

>>8999974
Model makes me diamonds.
Aussie accent is horrendous.
But in the end I don't watch her because of bad timeslot anyway.

>During JP prime time
Guess this confirms it's the nips who are racist

>>9007187
kronii snatched that already, she rules the sex voice department by virture of not sounding like christina fucking vee

>>8999974
No you’re not. You’re a teenager role playing as an angsty edge lord.
Actual racists loved to watch white people dress up as blacks and sing and dance for them. It was an entire genre back in the 19th century.
You’re the equivalent of a retarded two year old who thinks loudly shouting when your parents tell you to stfu is peak contrarianism.

>>9007484
>Actual racists loved to watch white people dress up as blacks and sing and dance for them. It was an entire genre back in the 19th century.
That time is gone though. Racism before was about making fun of them, racism now is more about finding way to avoid them since they are now everywhere in western society. To be fair it isn't really racism, more ethnocentrism, but these days everything is racist

>>8999669
I wanted to watch this stream but no way in hell I'm getting up at 4am for anybody but my Oshi.

>>9007484
The minstrel shows modern liberals cry about were a Yankee thing done by dumb nigger-lovers who saw the nogs as no worse than silly and cheerful buffoons. They were popular in New York not Richmond.

>>8999669
everyone in council is experimenting with times, she's soon start streaming at NA prime time just like everyone else

>>8999844
Me be a ESL and her voice is hard to understand unless I'm focused on listening to what she's saying

it's a pathetic time for 4chan when the "little" brown girls get shit on instead of lewded.
>>9001236
unironically because you're a retard, more like.
>>9001545
>being this wrong
just admit you're a faggot and get it over with.
>>9002465
>I hate things therefore I am the majority
>>9003125
>not being racist here but racist nonsense
and if your shit is that color you should see your doctor.
>>9005184
>legit good design but I hate it so my hate is the truth reeee
>and how dare she play something my oshi already played everyone needs to play completely seperate things and no overlap everrr!
(you)
>>9007129
he was thinking "can I make an actually good looking character", and he succeeded. your lack of taste is not indicitive of anything.

>>9007825
>"little" brown girls
She's not little, she is tall and have large tits

How do you guys get these numbers? Is it an extension or an userscript?

>>9005184
>everyone already watched gura play soma
Ina also played it recently

>>9000454
You would be wrong

>>9000667
>commiecoast
/pol/ fags are so damn cringe

>>9001236
I already oshi Flare and I can't afford two slaves

>>9000454
Something like Mori's accent is the easiest for people learning english

1. Mori, Irys and Kronii
2. Ceres, Gura, Kiara, Baelz
3. Mumei, Ame
4. Ina
5. Sana

>>9008329
Ina is easier to understand than Ame and Kiara though, she speaks slowly and just has a slight asian accent which isn't hard to understand

>>9007923
See >>8990754

>>9008438
I see. Thanks, anon.

>>9008329
Mori also goes out of her way to speak in a clear and simple manner

>>9008518
The weird way she speaks often lead to long and redundant sentences so that must help

>>8999669
I really like her and she deserves better. But as an eastcoastfag FUCK those stream times.

>>9008329
Kiara is too high on that list. She mispronounces words fairly often and does the EuroESL f-in-place-of-th sound (maffematics). I would also be inclined to bump up Ceres to 1. She enunciates her consonants much more often than most North Americans which means ESLs get to hear a word the way it's written.

>>9008329
>>9002037
>>9003006
>>9008115
>grow up in EU
>learn English through school, media and internet
>get to experience all kinds of broken English (not just spics like you Americans) when playing online games
If you think your ear is more trained than mine in deciphering English that deviates from American you're mistaken.

>>9003680
The bottom one had higher numbers actually, due to being reuploadded.

>>9008957
>She mispronounces words fairly often and does the EuroESL f-in-place-of-th sound
That's makes easy to non-native speakers understand her

>>8999669
I love Sana, she's adorable. IDGAF how unpopular she supposedly is or what the antis say. Besides, she was the one who got hit the hardest and didn't fully recover from jootube wiping out subs. Honestly my favorite for the Council Gen is between her and Kroni. Get bent, numberfag.

>>8999669
I know you love her and you're worried, you want her to be successful, therefore this feels unfair. But stop doing this. Numberfagging is really annoying and even Sana apparently agrees.
If she cared so much about numbers she wouldn't:
stream at cryptic hours
reupload video with fixes
play obscure kusoges
do anything at all that isn't minecraft
do watchalongs

>>9009872
Adding something I forgot:
not hiding her accent with all her being (like Ballz rat)

>>8999669
I legit want to like her, but listening to her accent is very displeasing, and haven't found anything in her personality that makes me want to try to get over it, like I did with Moona whose accent is horrendous too. Hopefully it will come out later.
But that said, I still have more interest in her than I do in rat, asmwhore, or the owl.

>>8999699
I'm an ESL, I have big difficulties to understand the regular american speaking, but not Sana. Even if her accent is thick, she still spells each word clearly and doesn't have a muffled nasal voice, which helps.

>>8999669
>nigger model like flare
>such a heavy accent that even native English speakers can have trouble understanding her
>crow and owl same gen

She was doomed
Owl is gura
Crow is cali
Rat is ame
Deer is ina
She is kiara

She will be the one to hold back her generation, and it is not just for one reason, even the Indonesian girls are more understandable then her, even Haachama is more understandable


I hope she does well, but I think the combination of her model and her accent are holding her back

>>8999669
I think it's sad that people seem to be looking for any reasons they can to excuse the simple fact that YT yanked over 100k subs from her overnight for no reason, more than double what her genmates lost. That's a whole channel's worth of activity that was shafted, putting her basically a tier lower than the others, so she's going to lag behind for a while no matter what she does, until she can tap into something viral like a newer game.

I'm NA and this was the only stream she's done so far that I wasn't able to watch live, but it was night-time for her so I hope it gave her the immersion she wanted.

I dont know why Cover keeps fucking this up. Its been shown time and time again that the main EN audience is in THE US. I remebmer early on Gura tried a few streams at the EU prime time hours (to give her EU fans a chance to catch something live) and her viewership tanked and she didnt try that again. People also thought Kiara would get a boost because shes the only EN streaming EU hours but surprise surprise EU fags dont actually watch vtubers they just come here to shitpost.
Sana needs to stream during US hours, aka the only audience that actually matters outside of Japan.

>>9010438

Yeah, everything ultimately comes down to the sub nuke. They all got hit but it was most apparent with her and recovery has been sadly slow. I feel like she's taken some smaller hits along the way as well and that's not helping. She's ultimately doing and will be fine but it does suck. I'm hoping non-watchalong collabs will help her get back.

>>9010297
>even Haachama is more understandable
That is where you could not be MORE wrong. Haachama isn't even speaking proper english. She has enough yes men praising her english that she will never improve.

>>9010438
>>9010913
how does youtube nuking her subs translate to people not watching her streams? is that little notification on the side bar really what determines whether people will watch her or not?

>>9011300
I've seen people in VoD comments complaining that they missed if due to unsub

>>9010547
Yes, but she is in a bad position. She can't stream when Gura does, which is what she did last week. Gura streams near the end of the day, IRyS streams a few hours after her and she usually ends up overlapping her.

>>9010547
Cover doesn't think. They got thousands of applicants for the auditions and it became a hell to process through so they asked HoloEN members to pick their friends from them

There's plenty of saviorfags around so I doubt she has anything to worry about.

Worst thing is that she's not taking this well at all since Kiara mentioned she spent hours talking to her and she was very distressed