/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

fuck off, glowie

>>8933219
t. Hololive PR dept.

>>8933219
Miko raped Pekora

>>8933219
I like Suisei.

>>8933219
Maybe I just need time for them to grow on me, but I don't think I really like any of the EN2 girls, and that kinda bums me out

Please tell Sora-chan that I love her!!!

>>8933219
The idea that Hololive has great scouting is a meme that people have actually started buying into.

>>8933219
Reine is boring, i feel like the reason she is popular here is solely because her design is sex. Nothing more.

>>8933334
i go back and forth, I'm really trying, but each time I think I like one of them something happens where I'm like ughhhhh. like I keep liking Bae but then she screams a bunch. I like Sana until she
screams as well. fana I just don't get. Kroni I like but don't care about anything she plays. owl I like but then I fall asleep.

>>8933219

Nene is straight up the funniest girl in Hololive. Only FBK and Miko come close

>>8933219
I like how Irys looks after getting over my initial impression and watching more of her streams

Old Hololive was better

Towa is my oshi and I will always support her. She has a heart of gold, a beautiful personality, and a pretty face.

TMT

>>8933393
Maybe they will grow on me, like at first I didn't care for Ina at all and now she's my favourite EN girl

>>8933466
Not my oshi but she easily has one of the best designs in hololive and also her voice is cute

>>8933219
>kareoake
彼OK? You mean streams with their bfs?

>>8933484
Yeah similar thing happened with me
At first I was kfp and didn't really get the appeal of ame or gura but now im a chumbud who only watches ame besides gura (out of en, of course)

>>8933393
I'm feeling like a trendhopper for absolutely loving most of Gen2 this first week.

>>8933484
I'm afraid sana just won't, watching her somehow fail at I Am Bread while using the invincibility option they give you has been really not fun, and I was excited to see someone play the game I hope she improves. the rest I'm going to wait and see.

>>8933219
I dropped you for better, fun and more talented company.

>>8933219
The variety show content is good and there should be more of it.

>>8933219
i love sui chan

I do unironically really enjoy the Owl. she use also unironically makes me fall asleep. blessing and a curse I suppose.

If cover doesn't pull their head out of the dirt and provide actual meaningful help for their talents, more yab shit is going to happen and it'll probably end up in talents leaving until it becomes a husk of what it once was

I really want to impregnate Sui chan

>>8933219
i like all the idol bullshit, i wanna see the girls i like singing and doing live shows

>>8933219
I just want ONE genuinely cool holoEN. I don't hate any of the girls, but I wish there was at least one I didn't find sort of cringey. I know I'm supposed to embrace the cringe but it would be fun if they could find one genuinely cool girl.

>>8933219
Both Gens 4 and 5 have been kinda lackluster with only two members in all 10 of them that seem willing and able to push the hololive name forward. Excluding the one that graduated, the other one treats this job like a retirement home so I have to wonder what her drive will be like. Either way, it's pretty clear why there's no gen 6.

they need a set of holos that only do r18 stuff

>>8933219
What made Hololive so appealing for me was the talents trying to be idols but having their degenerate or violent side coming out over time. Having members like Kiara or Sana be almost immediately horni kills the mood, which is why Gura swearing more over time made me really like her. IRyS is on a fairly accelerated schedule but is still keeping her yabaIRyS side mostly in.

>>8933805
since when Sana is horny?

>>8933853

When I enter her chat

>>8933740
>i wanna see the girls i like singing and doing live shows
You can only see that in Nijisanji.

>>8933219
There should be regular collabs between EN and JP, and they should all seriously study Japanese/English. Crossing the language barrier makes for the best content.

>>8933740
Are sheep and suisei still having their shows?

>>8933885
>(((girls i like))))
also get the fuck out of here Nijibeggar, i will NOT watch your mass-produced disposable vtubers

>>8933951
No, EN should stay far away from JP

>>8933585
I like both Nijisanji and Hololive but to me it always seemed like Hololive went by quality and Nijisanji by quantity. I wouldn't really call Nijisanji more "talented" than Hololive but if you find more fun, that's great, honestly is preference.
Hololive is more strict with auditions, especially since they expect you to sing a bit since is an Idol company. Niji being more relaxed about it and getting in any person in and let them do whatever they want as long they stream, that's why there's a ton of nijisanji members and a lot of them graduating or being kicked out.
Niji to me is like throwing everything at a wall and see what it sticks, so I follow a very small amount since most of the members are meh to me. I watch holo members more even though Cover can piss me off sometimes.

It feels too large scale, and the magic is gone for me, though I wish it wasn’t

>>8933970
Ok. Enjoy your lefunny anime voice meme reddit girl.

>>8933853
Have you not seen her tweets? The reason she hasn't been horni yet on stream is because she's just been playing games or collabing

>>8933219
I like your products. I'm a happy consumer.

>>8933951
Too bad the top talents in both branches are EOPs and JOPs themselves.

>>8934034
everybody is horny on twitter anon

>>8933219
If there are more Holostars they should advertise them better and get some high energy or unique personalities

>>8933219
Stop hiring shitty riggers and artist ffs

I'm happy I found my oshi in Hololive. She seems a bit burnt out lately so I hope Cover doesn't overwork them.

>>8934072
Let's not get greedy now.

Cover should teach its managers that their job is to make streams possible and not to list off restrictions.
The approach should ALWAYS be "How can we make this stream work" instead of "You cannot do this stream because XYZ-Restriction"
This would do a lot of ease frustration of talents like coco or pekora.

>>8933994
>Hololive is more strict with auditions, especially since they expect you to sing a bit since is an Idol company
Okay. Explain why Nijisanji have more talented singer than Hololive? Nijisanji have Inui Toko, Joe Rikichi, Levi Elipha, Deron, Machita Chima, Ryuushen, Melissa, Hayato, Yumeoi, and many more. Hololive have only Suisei, Azki, Irys, Gura and Kanatan.

>>8934389
>Gura
>Kanata
>good singer

>>8933585
tribalist faggotry aside, i'm mostly in the same boat. i wish one day they can collab with each other. cover's isolationist policy is cancer

>>8933219
Please let Gura do less family friendly things. I’ll never get over what could have been that Nekopara stream

>>8934414
I thought Gura is the greatest singer in HoloEn1? Are you saying Holobronies are lying to /vt/?

>>8933219
Since both of them are gone now I want a new trap holostar

>>8934459

Kiara is the best and it isn't close

>>8933219
management is an ever present stifling presence on the chuubas. I get that they want to feel important and validated and like they're really a part of the success story but still this story just isn't about them and they need to get out of the way to let the content creatores do their thing.

>>8934414
Far be it from me to take a stab at whatever the fuck your life needs, but I hope you find it

I'm excited that gen 2 is starting Minecraft this week. I know I can't be the only one despite a lot of people disliking it here. I'm excited for EN server to have more people. if they put in some work they could have a really cool server.

>>8934414
>Kanata
>Not a good singer

I mean if you compare her to sui, then sure, but she does pretty damn well on her own.

Shork is pretty good at slow balads, but lacks the range for much else.

>>8934534
Kanatan's decline into partial deafness is slowly taking a toll on her singing ability. It's very noticeable if you compare her singing now to a year ago.

>>8934532
rrat in minecraft is a great prospect because she will have some capacity to interact with the JPs and they're like >90% of the MC action if not 95%.

I just wonder how that'll work around collab cooldown and overall futzing over what they can do right now in their 2nd week. Can she just go cruise the JP server if she feels like? Can she just build a house there? Does she have JP Holo oshi she wants to become buddies with etc. I'd think the smart thing would be to make a little shack in both the EN and JP servers so she can go hang with whoever. Or maybe just build a little shack next to the EN/JP portal so she can constantly go wherever the action is.

>>8934438
I thought collabs with Nijisanji wasn't taboo

>>8934389
For one, Nijisanji has way more members, almost 3 times than Hololive, I wouldn't be surprised if they have "more talented singers than Hololive".
Two, I really do think most members in hololive sing well. It's AMAZING? No, but they are still make good music or karaoke streams. To say ONLY those 5 sing well is just wrong and personal opinion at that point.

In any case, dude, I know you are a nijisanji fan and I like them too. You like the singers more in niji than hololive? That's great, that's your preference and no one can take that from you. I still think hololive have a lot of great singers, more than 5 for sure.

>>8934703
They aren't, the girls themselves just don't want to do them. I think anons forget that sometimes members of both companies are either just more comfortable staying within the established group (Gura is an example for the EN fans) or are socially awkward and can't really push themselves to initiate something with someone outside of their group (hence why a social person like Ollie has no problem collabing both in and out of HL, she can push for that stuff).

>>8933219
YAGOO must have saved the world in his past life.

>>8934655
I just want people who will actually build cool stuff on en server. currently it's real meh and not a lot gets done.

It's difficult to find the time to watch anything live. And even if I did have time, they're almost all streaming in primetime GMT+9

Even keeping up with the VODs is cutting into time I'd normally have to play games, read, or pursue other hobbies / do reps

I might be turning into an unironic clipfag

>>8933219
Hololive members are average and the experience is not any better or worse than any other agency
But you guys seriously need to invest in building a studio and hiring staff in the west somewhere

>>8933219
Open a Spanish branch

>>8934389
>Suisei
>good singer

>>8933299
neck yourself queer

I don't think i will ever get used to EN2 and probably will just continue watching mostly EN1 members.

>>8933219
i want the zhangs to do meme videos like the pekora ones

>>8934091
Watame's manager had to force her to take a 3 day break.

>>8934438
they collab all the time tho

>>8935321
i ve got the same feelings, mb after collabs things will change

>>8934438
That has more to with your oshi being a social retard or preferring to stay with her friends in hololive, if there were a ban on Niji and Holo collabs you can bet your ass that it would make the tribalfags bring it up constantly.

>>8933219
Cover hit it out of the park with gen 2, I can't wait for my oshi to collab with them.

>>8933303
you fucking monster

>>8933219
They really need to get their shit together in the management area. Lots of things could be better optimized for the girls and for the fans, and there are still problems that pop up regularly but isnt fixed. Development in live2D tec is nearly at a standstill for them, even after all these years with absurd amount of money being poured in already.
Where the hell did all of that money go?

>>8934438
Why are collab beggars so desperate to force strangers to collab?

>>8933994
>>8934708
>if I say I'm a Nijisanji fan my opinion will become more credible, r-right?
neck yourself retard.

>>8933219
I still haven't watched any of the ENs and the only one I might is Gura.
None of them exhibit the qualities I come to Hololive for...and that sucks, because I don't actually have anything against an EN chuuba, but it's hard when I watch them and see that none of them go as far as even Lamy, let alone Rushia, in their relationship with their audience.

>>8933219
my opinion is that I am sad yagoo gets to decide who becomes effortlessly successful and who doesn't.
>huur but anya/sana
shut it retard, anything above 100k is success.

I don't care about the music. It's mostly generic pop idol shit that isn't special or sung by extremely talented singers.

>>8933219
Hololive isn't trendy enough, they should ask for permissions to stream games before they're released.

>>8934438
>>8935798
How the fuck are there people in this board who don't know NijiHolo collabs happen all the time? Okayu and Shiina did one yesterday.

>>8933219
what's a rrat?

>>8935914
Believe whatever you want to believe if it makes you sleep better at night.

Fame is a mind-break hentai. I hope every chuuba success, and with that success, I hope they invest in ways of maintaining success healthily. If, to invert picrel, they genuinely cannot live without their audience... well, I don't see a happy ending to that manga, is all.

>>8933219
I wish Coco hadn't left. She shouldn't have left and management should all be sacked for letting her go.

>>8936017
I think is very rare where a game will send early copies to creators and even then I don't think hololive has that power either. Japanese game companies are a bit more strict with streaming games that aren't out yet or they are new (like with persona 5 when it was out, atlus was striking down people if they played it more than 2 hours)

I think only Kiara got a deal with the Tales Of people to stream their game before it was out as a promotional thing, so that's cool.

>>8933219
I don't understand Japanese

>>8933994
>>8934708
So Niji is supposedly mostly quantity but through that, they're also quality. Very cool.

>>8933219
I want them to collab with males more and make the unicorns seethe

>>8936104
I'm still pissed Shiina didn't show up tits out like everyone else.

>>8935962
>>I haven't watched any
>>it's hard when I watch them.

>>8933219
holoen massively gen 2 disappointed me, i wanted to finally have an en oshi but now that looks like its not going to happen anytime soon. also the lore shit is a fucking waste of money i swear to god management pls stop with the chunibyo shit

>>8936253
dude didn't say get copies. just permission.

>>8933219
Hololive would have more doujinshi from Comiket if weren't for the Corvid situation.

>>8933219
The ideal EN chuuba is a nip born and raised in Japan that speaks at least decent English like pic related

>>8933219
Risu's high pitched talking voice reminds me of all the forgotten whos that talks the same way. I'm happy that none of the newer girls talks like her.

>>8933463
what old hololive

>>8933219
Rushia is the best talent in hololive

holoen gen 2 massively disappointed me, i wanted to finally have an en oshi but now it looks like its not going to happen anytime soon. also the lore shit is a fucking waste of money i swear to god management pls stop with the chunibyo shit

>>8936104
Anon, nobody here actually watches streams.

>>8936411
This is retarded. What do you expect to do when you get 3 FGO artists and Pako. Adding 2 paragraphs ain't hurting anything. The teasers probably didn't even hurt them.

>>8933303
KANATA??!

>>8934034
Thats just like twitter. She's not a vtwitter.

Pay for tutors & encourage current talents to learn English/Japanese, heavily emphasize at least conversational ability in both languages for any new members
Get more publisher deals in general for their whole game catalogs instead of just individual games
Either give girls $ up front to get a decent PC or make having one a requirement. Low res streams filter people.
Put Fubuki on all your hiring committees because her nepotism hires are all great.

>>8936104
genuinely no clue who either those people are.

>>8936319
Pretty much. instead of wasting time finding the right person, you just hire every person on the planet. By doing that, you will have all the talented people working just for you. Quantity > quality.

>>8933219
Gen 5 is the best gen so far, excluding hololive gamers

>>8936805
KEK clipfaggot spotted- wait no... it's not possible to watch clips but not know about Okayu... well ENfag spotted probably

>>8933370
I mean >>8933994
is literally proving that you're right

>>8934172
that would require to give freedom, and individual responsibility to talent/manager, in Japanese company that is literally impossible.

>>8933219
>EN Karaoke
Tfw when ID sing english song better than EN

>>8933219
Everyone in (JP) Gen 2 feel like they're in another generation, really

The new HoloEN focus on character lore and "storytelling" feels like a corporate attempt to manufacture and exploit an organic trend.

>The new HoloEN focus on character lore and "storytelling" feels like a corporate attempt to manufacture and exploit an organic trend.

I think Hololive is neat

>>8934534
just because gura doesn't belt like crazy doesn't mean her range is poor
here is a fucking non-falsetto C6 https://youtu.be/BQTSqFLeIPM?t=16

belting can permanently damage your vocal cords, gura tried to preserve it

>>8933370
The idea that Hololive has great scouting is factual

>just because gura doesn't belt like crazy doesn't mean her range is poor
>here is a fucking non-falsetto C6 https://youtu.be/BQTSqFLeIPM?t=16 [Embed]
>belting can permanently damage your vocal cords, gura tried to preserve it

>>8933219
This board doesn't deserve a genuine take.
But here you go:
I dislike the direction HoloEN is going.
eceleb-collabs, the questionable casting of EN2 - it's all so tiresome.
I started by following three ENGen1s and I'm now down to one.
I'm thankful to the council-doxfags, because they spared me lots of disappointment in the future.

>>8934414

Reine is the last pretty Holomem.
The EN2 fiasco was due to Cover's contract terms and general cancerous corporate practices making the candidates (You) would have picked up fuck off the audition, not because said candidates didn't show up at the audition or Cover was unable to find or reach them. Cover is where the money is, the waiting line to get there is long, there's no point in blaming the scouts.

>>8933219
I prefer to talk about Cover, Hololive is just their project really, lol.
A VR tech company that got into vtubing by accident because their small portfolio project (hiring Sora) exploded into currently most profitable vtuber agency.
As somewhat logical thing they decided to copy the only available in Japan thing that also involve bunch of girls entertaining people - idol industry. Which bite their asses hard a lot of times so they try to backtrack from it and focus back on the VIRTUAL part of this shit with plenty of story-focused projects.
I believe that genuinely they try their best but lack of experience with things they suddenly are best known for. It's hard to except professionalism from company where 4 top people are literally just tech nerds.

>>8939361
Honestly yes
Right now the only holoVTubers I really watch are Gen5 more than anything

>>8939361
>This board doesn't deserve a genuine take.
Funny, yours wasn't genuine either.
>>8939675
>The EN2 fiasco was due to Cover's contract terms and general cancerous corporate practices making the candidates (You) would have picked up fuck off the audition
Evidence?

>>8939271
They certainly have great talents don't get me wrong, but some of the better ones are known nepotism hires and the later gens only feature one or two standout members.

>>8939986
You missed with your quote skills, friend.

>>8939361
This is literally a copy and pasted take

>>8936794
Also, put your pre-debut talents through some sort of streaming boot camp. I'm tired as fuck of totally preventable and self-inflicted tech issues appearing again and again because either the talents are too stupid and/or lazy to care and the company doesn't provide any guidance or coaching either and the girls have to make up for it on their own (which, to the first point, some never do). "Haha, there's our EN scuff again, how funni, who could've forseen this, amirite?!" was maybe charming the first time, but shit got annoying real fast, and it's frankly embarassing that the production values of the supposed "industry leader" isn't too far off from the average indie 2view.
Seriously, there are MONTHS in between hiring the talent and them debuting, use that time productively instead of just sitting on your ass doing nothing and then winging it on the big day. They should be receiving lessons, both on the technical aspects (computer, streaming setup, etc.) and personal aspects (character acting, social skills, chemistry, entertainment techniques, etc.), to make sure they are knocking it out of the park from day one.
Of course that won't happen because right now they're still number one and think "it just werks" so they don't feel the need to change their ways and actually put more effort in.

>>>8939361
> >This board doesn't deserve a genuine take.
> Funny, yours wasn't genuine either.
> >>8939675
> >The EN2 fiasco was due to Cover's contract terms and general cancerous corporate practices making the candidates (You) would have picked up fuck off the audition
> Evidence?

>>8933219
i literally didnt care, if my oshi gone or migrate to another company i will follow and never look back

>Also, put your pre-debut talents through some sort of streaming boot camp. I'm tired as fuck of totally preventable and self-inflicted tech issues appearing again and again because either the talents are too stupid and/or lazy to care and the company doesn't provide any guidance or coaching either and the girls have to make up for it on their own (which, to the first point, some never do). "Haha, there's our EN scuff again, how funni, who could've forseen this, amirite?!" was maybe charming the first time, but shit got annoying real fast, and it's frankly embarassing that the production values of the supposed "industry leader" isn't too far off from the average indie 2view.
>Seriously, there are MONTHS in between hiring the talent and them debuting, use that time productively instead of just sitting on your ass doing nothing and then winging it on the big day. They should be receiving lessons, both on the technical aspects (computer, streaming setup, etc.) and personal aspects (character acting, social skills, chemistry, entertainment techniques, etc.), to make sure they are knocking it out of the park from day one.
>Of course that won't happen because right now they're still number one and think "it just werks" so they don't feel the need to change their ways and actually put more effort in.

>>8933219
Hololive doesn't care about they're talents and are too scared to have fun and try new things.
For memes, they hate males

>>8933219
hi manager-san

>>8933219
The only holos I've never cared much for are Coco and Haachama and I'm a little annoyed I'm unable to express that without being called Chinese.

I don't even watch anymore, idk why I'm still here desu

>>8933219
Cover's "amazing scouting department" was always just massive self delusion by holobronies. The underwhelming EN2s confirmed that for all to see, and this (among other things like general vtuber saturation, fatigue and the novelty wearing off) is apparent in their recline.
Seriously, strip away the Hololive branding buff away from them, and no one would care about these girls - case in point: no one on this board really cared about any of the EN2 girls in their pre-hololive identities, no threads, no goslings, nothing. But as soon as you slap the HL brand name on these same boring shitters, simps fall over themselves to announce them the best thing since sliced bread, when they're just the same shitters you didn't care for before. So it's all just brand goggles and self delusion, you could take any random 2view indie or a piece of cardboard, give them the same HL treatment and it would have the same effect, so the "scouting" and "talent" doesn't really matter.

In all of Hololive there are maybe half a dozen girls who are actually really talented, as in if you take away the HL branding (or if they never had it in the first place), they still have their innate qualities so that they could make it in the entertainment world on their own. On the other hand, there are a whooole lot of deadwood of frankly average or below par talents, that only get by through the HL brand buff which was built by the few standout talents who are basically carrying the whole thing on their back. Circa 6 actual gems out of a roster of about 60 doesn't look like anything special or "amazing scouting", it's just random luck of the draw, and it's just the overshadowing shine of the few standout talents that makes "Cover scouting" look better (in the eyes of easily impressed simpletons) than it actually is.

>>8939986
>Evidence?
Ask for an opinion, get an opinion.

>>8940492
shut up you Chinese fuck.

>>8938991
I mean yes, but ALL the Hololive characters are "manufactured" to an extent, being in the end just a conceived company project vehicle to make them money. If you don't want that, stick to indies (who are in control of their own lore) or real people who don't have any lore to begin with.

But I get what you mean, this new overproduced lore bullshit is especially blatant and offputting. Earlier gens just had "this is an idol", "this is a cheerleader", normal characters. Then we got into some light fantasy with "here's a vampire", "here's a succubus", etc. Now we have powercreeped incarnations of time and space, complete with some kind of ongoing media project bullshit. The lighter backstory/lore of earlier gens meant that they could lean into it or ignore it as much as they wanted, and the "actual lore" of their character developed more "organically" over time with their fans. Now with the new Holos, Cover seems to have gotten a big head about how they think they're actually creating some kind of cinematic universe with some big connected world or sumshit (they probably, wrongly think, THIS is what the viewers are coming here for, big convoluted universe lore bullshit, instead of just watching cute girls play games). This pre-packaged bullshit actually hurts organic expression and character development in the long run, because the talents are going to be pressed into this ongoing universe project that Cover (or whatever committee/manager within is responsible for this trajectory) forces upon them.
And frankly, the talents are not good enough actors to make this universe lore bullshit work. You hear them visibly cringe at it and can't give a performance convincing enough for their "roles". It'd be better if they didn't burden them with this shit from the start, but oh well...

>>8940492
Go fuck yourself zhang.

>>8933219
3 out of the top 5 singers in the company are homostars.

ITT: seething and disguising lies as opinions

I think Hololive EN is too uppity. Like nobody in America genuinely cares about "pure idol culture", I don't give a fuck if they can sing or whatever, as long as they are entertaining. It feels like the talents are constantly restrained on what they can even say/do on stream because it might ruin their idolness.

I just wanted to watch virtual idols that are working hard towards their dreams that stream on the side having fun and doing what they want, as JP side gets more and more towards this the EN side just get more and more into just regular streamers but with micromanagers.

My hope was that EN2 would have at least a couple of strong singers/dancers but well look how that turned out and worse yet the micromanagers are now chuuni micromanagers.

>>8933219
I used to extremely dislike Kiara with her voice and personality, and especially when she constantly latched on to Pekora. However, I've slowly started to appreciate her presence lately, even though she's unbearable and cringe at times.

I despise Gura and don't know how she has such a fucking following and I'm convinced it's just pedophiles who follow her.

>>8941725
No real point in pushing idol stuff in EN if they don't have 3D

>>8933219
I love Towa...when the JP audience doesn't pressure her to be this way or that way. She's really vibrant as a person, and I wish she'd been accepted by fans as though she was a Niji.

>>8933219
I think more of their girls should do English lesson streams.

I prefer VShojo

>>8941879
It's a logistics issue. They've said it's coming but it would almost certainly require each of them flying to japan. J

>>8941957
fucking how? Melody does it from her office and can do porn with it. Certainly they're just fucking lazy

>Correct Opinion confirmed by 444 captcha
All the Lore Omega or whoever is pushing into the EN Branch is really annoying me to the point where I've only really been watching JP streams. And I don't even speak Japanese.
The EN Branch would do well imitating the JP and ID branches more. The audience is, after all, weebs.
Trying to capitalize on the non JP speaking base of weebs by distancing yourself from what the actual JP branch is doing seems counterproductive

Trying to push the girls as going on "vacation" when they are obviously stressed out, overworked or just need time off to deal with a personal issue is so transparent that they may as well be WWE wrestlers for all the corporate shit they have to go through to do their job.

>>8934389
>Marine
>FBK
>Mori
>Yogiri
>Subaru
>Ayame
>Flare
Skipping any of these marks you as an ignorant. Here's your (You)

>>8941989
That'd be 8 full mo cap setups all around the globe for what, 4 streams a year? With no interaction between the talents, because they're not in the same room.
Mel and Codemiko use it for everything that's a way easier sell.

They auditioned for VSingers so they woulnd't have to bother with singing ability in EN2

>>8942129
10 actually. Apparently I failed grade school math. No wonder I'm struggling in uni

>>8933219
I understand that many restrictions cover puts on their talents come directly from either game/music publishers being anal about copyright or Susan keeping the tube puritan for advertisers.
But I still feel like that they've been acting to defensively,and controlling, always doing what they perceive to be the safest option and kneecapping their talents in the process.
The way they've handled the whole situation regarding China and Coco was either grossly incompetent or actively malicious, but I also mean that in a more general sense.
It would serve them well to be more transparent in their decision making, that is, if the reasons for their more unpopular decisions were actually reasonable and fair. Since they won't tell us why they do some of the things they do, we only can speculate and more often than not, assume the worst.

And if anyone from Cover is reading this: please, for the love of god and all that is holy, fire whoever is pushing this retarded, cringy chuuni lore with EN2 and while you're at it fire whoever makes braindead comments like this about your most successful streamer, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6zvE5CyL4g
Seriously, anyone saying anything of that sort won't be of any help to your streamers or anything else you plan to do, especially if they said it in the condescending way gura paraphrased it.

>>8933219
Singing together with VoiP is a pain. You need a really really good connection on both sides for the latency to be low enough. Nothing fucks you up more than trying to sing together in sync with someone who's delayed by a few dozen milliseconds.

>>8942051
wtf are you on about? How is taking time off work because you're stressed out, overworked or need to deal with personal issues not a vacation? Everyone understands that that is why they take time off work and no one at cover or any of the talents are pretending otherwise.

>>8942109
>mori
yeah nah

>>8942466
Mori could go independent tomorrow and still be recognized as a talented artist. That's why Cover went for her to begin with.

The whole gen word being banned in EN is so fucking retarded. 2+ years of it being accepted, finally get an EN addition and suddenly it's a no no word? You can't have your cake and eat it too people are EXPECTING to just be a port of a system that is already in place, the whole generation thing is from what supposedly an industry you work in. You also give a sense of alienation, no matter how unintentional it may be, to the general audience. You're basically telling everyone that council is basically going to do their own damn thing to myth, like IN and JP. Which is fucking dumb.

This shit may be nothing to you but in the long run WILL be a harmful as fuck practice, mark my words. If you fucks still use kohais, senpais, idols, then gens are in, and you cannot control what people say when it's *part of the fucking industry*. Just watch when someone graduates they won't call it that and will actively. ACTIVELY. BE AGRESSIVE AS FUCK ABOUT THAT. THEY WILL NOT LET YOU USE THE WORD GRADUATION.

They're trying to not be idols while still being idols which is the WORST move for an IDOL company to do.

I tried I really tried to like EN2 I just cant,
I dont even know why but their stream put me to sleep.
Im sure its the nostalgia glass or something but I swear I was way more invested about HoloMyth I liked most of these girls the following days but I feel nada not a thing for the council.
In brief yeah thats the first time I thought that Hololive failed their scouting.The only stream I liked from them these past week was the celeste stream from Sana since she actually wasnt garbage it.

should've hired me

EN2 is boring but at least Sana is decent at games and has a bubbly personality.
Mori's streams are only fun when they don't involve a video game. I think she still can't handle gameplay + chat interaction despite doing it for an entire year.
I enjoy the fact that there are rules in place for the talent and while some of them are terrible, some of them are the reason why I choose Hololive over any other streamer.
I think the lore stuff is important. It helps set the streamers apart, gives the talent something to play off of if they want to, and helps create a system of inside jokes both between the talent and their fans and the talent and their co-workers. It's like an ice-breaker and depending on how much the vtuber likes it, they can choose to lean heavy or lightly on it.

I like Marine and I dislike Ayame

Hololive as a group peaked at Coco's tenure, and especially after EN2 I don't see them retaining that glory ever again. I also feel this is a sentiment the fanbase share but are unwilling to recognise.

Prior fans are subconsciously becoming increasingly apathetic towards vtubers in general, especially ones who's only hook in the genre was hololive. This board has substantially slowed down since EN2's debut as an example.

>>8946086
>This board has substantially slowed down since EN2's debut as an example.
>

>>8946132
stats.io says the board is down to 50k posts a day. We used to almost double that pre July.

>>8946086
Hololive threads are slower but people are just moving towards other western vtubers and small agencies now.

>>8946300
It has a fucking chart in the site, why would even make shit up

>>8933219
Hololive have no idea how to utilize Gura's immense popularity

>>8944670
>I think the lore stuff is important. It helps set the streamers apart, gives the talent something to play off of if they want to, and helps create a system of inside jokes both between the talent and their fans and the talent and their co-workers. It's like an ice-breaker and depending on how much the vtuber likes it, they can choose to lean heavy or lightly on it.
I would agree, but (and this is a big but) I don't feel they have the talents currently to "make the lore work". Especially on the EN side. The new girls have been overburdened with too much complicated cosmic lore bullshit right from the getgo, and it feels as if it's too inhibiting for them because they have to constantly play up a character / adhere to lore they personally aren't into (you just know this was all cooked up by some overinvolved manager who uses this vehicle to push their god complex fanfiction or whatever). It would've been much better if they had a less rigid setting, either being just "normal girls" or at most a "light fantasy" setting (like "she's a witch/vampire/succubus" like earlier gens) so they could develop more naturally as their own characters.
Because for whatever overambitious cinematic universe Cover is trying to achieve with this now, the girls aren't good enough actors for that to make it work convincingly. You can feel them cringe at it right through the monitor, and they treat it with detached millenial irony or cynicism. If they're not into it, why should we (nevermind the fact that it's also shit lore to begin with), and it would be better for all involved if they just drop it altogether. But again, someone at Cover thinks this is the hot stuff that everybody wants, so they'll continue to force it down their talents and our throats.

>>8947163
>Hololive have no idea how to utilize Gura's immense popularity
True. 3mil+ subs, the supposed "biggest vtuber", but you wouldn't know it from how she behaves / Cover treats her. A more competent company would have her mainlining sponsorships and advertisements out the ass, plaster her on billboards and produced bestselling albums for her. Where is her 3D debut? "B-but think of the costs!" Bitch you know she'd make the travel expenses back through akasupas within 5 minutes of the stream, and then some. But oh no, Cover rather decides to sit on their ass and let their prize talent wither away for so long that WHEN they decide to make a move and capitalize on Gura, it will already be too late and her hype as died down again too much.
But of course, SOME part of the blame also falls on Gura herself. She's just too passive, a "happy just to be here" doormat personality. If only someone with a more proactive go-getter personality was in her position as the "biggest vtuber", they'd achieved so much more by now.
If/when we look back in a few years and Cover is going to be dethroned as the industry leader, "not having utilized the popularity of their prime ace biggest vtuber properly while the iron was hot" will definetly one of the things to point to in the discussion about "where did it all go wrong" and what caused/hastened the decline.

>>8941760
She's proven to be a very valuable and important asset for EN as a whole, I just get heavily filtered by the fake voice she puts on and that awful design

Kronii is extremely overrated, her design is bad and her personality is completely fake and made to gain as much followers as she can.

>>8946086
I'll never leave haato or gura even if I stop watching the other holomem

>>8947076
Autism is the only explanation.

>>8948234
Honestly the problems of bringing EN to Japan with the rona and plane costs seem like they could be solved by just opening an american office
That way trinity can go there (even if they're not near it, it's a lot closer and less restricted than japan), mori can still go to the JP office, and chicken could probably get a work visa to do a quick visit to america once or twice a year

>>8946086
>Hololive as a group peaked at Coco's tenure
Found the r*dditor. Coco's redditfaggotry gave us EOPs, normalfags, western degeneracy, and clip-only's. AS a result, we now have a western branch ruled entirely by a tw*tter tranny that will bring about the slow death of the entirety of VTubing in the west.

Hololive peaked with Gen 3, there isn't even any contest.

>>8951072
YWNBJ

>>8933219
Focusing too much on idol shit is gonna be the death of this company

Hololive is consistent which is cool. Wish hololive wasn't as stingy with non holo collabs

>>8933219
Stop hiring illustrators to do character design work

>>8951308
>Hololive is consistent which is cool.
Is it though? This new direction they want to go with EN, with overindulgent cosmic lore bullshit, is certainly a change. I want to go back to simpler times of just cute normal girls playing videogames, where the most fancy "lore" was at most just "oh, this one has animal ears" or "that one says she's a witch or whatever", but it didn't get in the way of their character and they ignored it or made it their own instead of being forced to play out some god complex managers grand universe fanfic.

>Wish hololive wasn't as stingy with non holo collabs.
I think there are different kinds of collabs and it's necessary to differentiate. There are bad collab ideas and it's good that they "block" them (if they do at all, or for whatever reason they do not happen too much). I think most of >us here aren't clamoring for more eceleb or Vwhore collabs, for example, and are happy that this shit is kept relatively sparse. Of course, sure on the other hand we'd like it if more "good collabs" with (insert whatever your favorite nonholos are) would happen, and if they're also blocked by management for whatever reason, that's the downside of this overly strict regiment. But is that a price worth paying for the former, does (preventing) the bad outweigh the good? I agree it's a mixed bag, and let's not forget that the situation is also not always wholly managements fault, as some Holos really just are themselves too passive/introverted and don't really want to /care for big outside collabs (or collabs at all).

>>8934389
Niji has it's fair share of talented singers, but you don't have to sing. In Hololive there are many more members who can sing than those who can't. There are so few you can pinpoint them in your head like Noel and Amelia.
And on the list you're missing the likes of Moona, Risu, Okayu, Shion, Aqua, Marine. They're all great singers. Shion especially, she's 5 years younger than Suisei. If she focuses on singing I can't even imagine how good she'll be.

>>8933219
I think gura is not funny