/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8929385
WTF???

>>8929385
Based, meidos trying to silence anon won’t stop him

>>8929385
How are things in Europe, my friend?

NijiEN will never be popular

>>8923850
Also they removed views from their debut VODs indicating that they are botting everything else as well.

>>8929385
How many timescare you going to post this thread, Faggotchama?
Get bullied in the Numbers thread again?

>>8929385
>Cover caught red-handed viewbotting Sana
>caught
>provides no proof
OP caught red handed skipping his meds

>>8929504
rent free lmao

>>8926918
holobot number schizo

>>8929538
>Makes an entire thread TWICE shitting on some Holonigger
>"HURRR RENT FREE"
kys

>>8929538
of course it is in my mind i watch them too, but anyways
NIJIEN WILL NEVER BE POPULAR

>>8929529
To make it simple for retards like you: she started her stream. There was nothing being streamed. Viewers kept increasing dramatically despite this. Once she actually got in the stream there was no significant increase in viewers and they even suffered from a lot of drops unlike before.

The 'arguments' I've seen for not being botting are very weak at best. People are entertained by nothing being streamed? Give me a break. There's no other instance of this happening.

>>8929584
Ayyy lmao tell me where the Nijinigger touched you, i'll apply some meds for for your well being.

>>8929696
roru roru rumao

sana bros...
why does her avatar make a bear face, can you explain THAT?

>>8929584
wow an entire thread !TWICE! that must have cost him at least 30 seconds on two separate occasions. I've never seen someone quite that obsessed

>>8929385
Interesting Rrats, but the view count drop could be attributed to the fact she had a shitload of technical problems at the start of the stream and it was only after that you see viewers slowly returning.

>>8929764
lmao why so angry you gatta samefag

>>8929385
>>8927173
hahaha why did you delete your posts worm?
and where s separate thread you created?
>>8924689 >>8925652
did i hurt your feelings

>>8929696
>stream starts at 5:00
>viewers begin showing up at 5:00
>THIS IS PROOF COVER IS VIEWBOTTING SANA DON'T YOU SEE!?
To make it simple for schizos like you: take your meds.

>>8929696
Ludwigs subathon had more viewers and donations while he was asleep, if the streamer is not present people try to scout what is going on before they leave.

>>8929696
But that's exactly what I did, I watched the stream from the start, until the game started, and then turned it off. Too much yelling for me.

>>8929806
literally my only post in this thread you 100 iq zoomer

>>8929928
hahaha yeah sure lmao

i wonder what would happen if the codemonkeys locked in susan's basement removed the number counters from the website

>>8930001
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SUSAN YOU BITCH MU NUMBERSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

>>8929385
Just admit it OP. You are not fit to do numberfagging.

>>8929806
kek why are you so angry? You're replying to different anon lmao

>>8929942
>hahaha yeah sure lmao

At least act like you have a brain, zoomer.

>>8929865
It took 20+ mins for her to actually start streaming the game. It was just a loading screen before.

>>8930176
hahahahahahah

>makes post in numbergeneral
>gets laughed at
>makes thread
>meidos clean it up
>cries about it in numberfag general
>gets ignored
>makes thread again
cute

>>8930185
The first 20 minutes is basically what it takes for people to filter in, so her having a loading screen for that long as she popped in and out doesn't matter.

This is a pretty normal viewership graph.

>>8929385
>>8930239
evidences>>8929820

>>8930262
(take2)Ludwigs subathon had more viewers and donations while he was asleep, if the streamer is not present people try to scout what is going on before they leave.

>>8930239
evidences>>8929820

>>8930378
a streamer i watch(on twitch) has some people that only sub when he is gone

>>8930262
It would've increased more once she actually started playing the game if that was the case. There was barely any change. And view graphs are usually pretty different from this one.

>>8930378
Sleeping situations aren't comparable. Show me a stream where there was nothing being streamed in the beginning instead.

>>8929385
or shes streaming at a time where EOPs are about to go to sleep. is it too much to ask for common sense...

>>8930185
(take3)Ludwigs subathon had more viewers and donations while he was asleep, if the streamer is not present people try to scout what is going on before they leave.
>>8930262
sorry wasn't meant for you

>>8929385
what can i say, you caught her anon, good job
people really love that intro bgm but the moment sana starts talking all the real people immediately leave, it's just that youtube is shit and can't correctly process all that hatred for dark anime skin so it charts the decline to look more like people naturally leaving the stream to watch other streams / deal with IRL business
bro imagine thinking a cheerful, goofy gal empowered by novelty can maintain a consistent 10-12k viewership over the course of a 1 hour stream haha that's dumb

>>8930495
you do realise people can't tell whether the game has started or not from the thumbnail right?

>>8930185
>It took 20+ mins for her to actually start streaming the game. It was just a loading screen before.
Viewers come to a stream at its designated start time. This is normal. Schizo brains have difficulty processing basic logic, though, so I understand why OP is confused.

LOOOOOOL her VOD views and likes are fucking gone, what the hell. What are you doing Cover? Youtube-kun isn't liking it one bit.

>>8930495
Its not 'when the game starts' its 'when the stream starts'

Stream started 20 mins.

This was responded to already in the number thread. Pic related.

>>8930739
She accidentally showed some interface and just decided to cut the tech scuff/.

>>8930796
Again, pretty weak argument. What is entertaining about watching a loading screen? Can you provide any similar situations to this? The last time I saw a streamer having problems it actually hurt their viewership.

>>8930739
its a published vod you retard. There should be a message there saying streamed live etc etc

>>8930903
The actual stream started quickly, she streamed for a big, then wait back to loading. Then started again, repeat same thing. You’re just regarded.

>>8930903
Not the same thing but when Shion and Marine overslept for their collab all the viewers immediately went to watch friend which is why she got so many viewers at once for a guerilla stream.
People know when a stream is on and slowly trickle in, whaddya know

>>8930875
I don't think cutting part of a video causes the VOD views to reset though, does it? Cause I've seen streams where something gets cut later still have normal VOD viewcounts.

>>8930903
Everybody can see you're retarded and you have been blown the fuck out. It's time to log off the internet and go touch some grass, my man.

>>8930739
It is a reupload, which means her views from the original livestream is not on it

You absolute moron

>>8929385

There was a thread at /vt/ by her fan if they should viewbot or subbot her channel because she was so unpopular. So it's pretty likely a viewbotting incident considering how low views she usually gets.

>>8931131
It was bait, probably by same guy as OP.

>>8931093
I'm pretty sure it does, cause its a reupload at that point.

Another 'pure coincidence': Kronii debut was at 1m+ views before, it's now at 990k, indicating some of the views were botted. They are doing this for the whole gen. Botting them in subs and views.

>>8929696
Most people don't tune into streams as soon as they start. They either get a notification or see that they're live on the youtube homepage. That time ina overslept had her viewers increasing too, and her stream wasn't even on. Sana at least had a loading screen.

>>8931131
i REALLY hope someone downloaded that shit lol

>>8929696
>There's no other instance of this happening.
How new? Every time a holo is late to a stream it starts drawing people in. Same for when they fall asleep or leave to get point cards to roll more gacha.

>>8931192
Then why did Nijisani get fucked over the same way anonchama

>>8930262
>The first 20 minutes is basically what it takes for people to filter in, so her having a loading screen for that long
But he’s actually lying. I watched the stream, and she was streaming only mins after, then had tech difficulties, then went back to loading. Then she streamed again for a bit, had tech difficulties again, and back to loading a second time.

>>8931192
>indicating some of the views were botted
Oy vey the botting is real in your mind

>>8931260
The difference is that their viewership increases significantly once they actually start streaming. That's not what happened here. She was already at 10.5k+ showing a fucking loading screen. Her peak is barely higher than that. Makes no sense.

>>8930903
That happens once the content has started, here in this case the stream has started but not the content so people are waiting, again if the streamer is absent people scout what happened before leaving, why? because they clicked to check on the stream, so they're gonna leave once they have info that satisfies that.

>>8931297
That doesn't matter, the first 20 minutes of a stream is when people filter in, not when the game starts, but the moment the stream starts those first 20-30 minutes are when all your viewers are going to get in.

>>8931382
'streaming' literally begins the moment they are streaming, regardless of loading screen

Are you retarded?

You were watching the views? I was paying attention to the cute girl laughing and having fun, but each to their own I guess

>>8931427
Don't copy paste from youtube comments weirdo

>>8931420
You have any stream of a holo that had a loading screen early on to compare? No? Then shut up.

>>8931427
The literal thread title is "Cover caught red-handed viewbotting Sana"

>>8931420
>That doesn't matter, the first 20 minutes of a stream is when people filter in
I’m aware of that. Everyone knows that too, my only point is that he is intentionally lying even after finding out she was streaming twice during that time. So yeah.

Botting or not I don’t think YouTube should be fucking with subs or views anyway

>>8931511
It doesn't matter that it was just a loading screen, why is that so hard for you to understand

>>8929761
wtf, I see it

>>8929761
She changed her icon on YT a few days ago

>>8929385

>>8931548
>why is that so hard for you to understand
Because he's a schizo, Anon. You won't get anywhere trying to argue with a mentally deranged person. Just call him a faggot and laugh

You got this in numbers, so you really felt the need to make your own thread?
Meds. Now.

>>8930185
Can you explain exactly how people are meant to see a stream in their subs, know that in that specific instance there is no gameplay going on, and decide to wait to open it until the moment there is?

>>8931548
>>8931710
Still waiting for you to provide any similar situations to this.

There are tons of evidence that Cover is botting this gen: subs being removed constantly, VOD views being removed, etc. Viewbotting would just be the cherry on top.

>>8931831
>Youtube, infamously terrible because of its overzealous bots fucks up
>this is """proof""" of botting
Its only proof of you being a retard who knows nothing about youtube and also having skipped your meds.

>>8931831
>There are tons of evidence that Cover is botting this gen
There's literally zero evidence of that, schizochama. Your hallucinations aren't real.

>>8931831
Aren't you tired of constantly getting btfo'd?

Is this the rumored SEAnigger hours i keep hearing about?

>>8931930
If it happened only once like with LazuLight, then sure, it could be just youtube error, but it happened like 10 times to this gen, after they already have content on their channels.

>>8931831
hey>>8930239
>>8930796

>>8929761
old news, really grasping at straws huh

>>8929385
Wouldn't it be a sudden spike instead of a gradual increase if that were the case?

What kind of proof do you people need of viewbotting that can be provided?

To me looking at data and statistics is the only way to prove it and those point to clear botting effect

>>8931131
This was her first stream where she wasn't going up against Ame and Gura. You don't think that can't account for 2k live viewers?

>>8932023
The issue is that there was barely any change in viewership when she actually started playing the game. Going from 10.5k in a loading screen and then to 11.9k isn't normal by any means.

>>8932047
You've clearly never looked at data and statistics for streams before and therefore cannot distinguish what an irregular trend looks like in these streams

>>8932114
Yes it is. People coming into the stream do not know whether or not she is actively playing the game, if they see a loading screen its not like they're gonna leave, because she'll presumably be playing soon.

You do not understand this topic.

>>8932114
>The issue is that there was barely any change in viewership when she actually started playing the game.
You can literally see the graph slowly going down from peak with a few spikes and bumps as usual.

>>8932047
sure fag there is no other youtubers/ vtubers (including niji) who have problem with this new update wich appeared in august.
btw shitter do you even understand that by your logic
>"youtube works properly and deletes bots"
Gura's 3.25 mil sub and vod's numbers ARE real, because she lost Nothing.
stop constantly embarrassing yourself

>>8932193
I've yet to see any similar situations to this. Stream peaks also happen 40-60 mins in usually, not this early.

>>8932114
>Going from 10.5k in a loading screen and then to 11.9k isn't normal by any means.
You don't have a single fact to back that up

>>8932292
Provide proofs then. :)

First time I witnessing a real schizo. The part when he confuse the reupload with the VOD... I died of laughter

>>8932332
Gura hit her peak at almost the very end of the stream today: https://holo.poi.cat/stream/KXaEq6jQBMI

>>8929385
>once she actually got in the stream and started playing the game it barely increased at all

I literally watched her stream start and go from 3k to 10k progressively.
Why you picking on Sana of all people? Her numbers are the lowest of her gen.

>>8932371
Why reupload it though? They can cut the scuff from the VOD directly from Youtube Studio. No need to do any reuploading.

>>8932456
They were actually higher than Ceres numbers today. They are botting her to not make her seem too much like a failure.

So this is also Nijisanji subboting?

Atleast sana is being subbotted since youtube is deleting subs. So complete fake failure.

Unless you redditors can prove she wasn't subbotted :)

>>8932519
If it happens multiple times after they already upload content on their channel, then sure.

>>8932443
>https://holo.poi.cat/stream/KXaEq6jQBMI

You do realize if you compare this to Sana's its almost identical.

Gura's trendline is almost identical, the vast majority of her viewers came in in the first 20 mins.

You actually just proved my point you retard. I literally explained this to you.

If you think Sana is being botted, then Gura is being botted, because their graphs are almost exactly the same.

>>8932571
I can't believe Gura is being viewbotted too!!!!!!

>>8930907
It got reuploaded huh? No wonder my like disappeared.

>>8932627
Holy shit, I bet Fauna is being viewbotted too, and Ame, and shit, probably Miko and Pekora.

HOW DEEP DOES THE VIEWBOT HOLE GOOO

IS NIJI EN BEING VIEWBOTTED TO? i BET THEY HAVE THE EXACT SAME TREND

BROS?
BROS???

>>8932519
Botting both Hololive and Nijisanji is all part of Yagoo's master plan to steal our precious bodily fluids. DON'T LET HIM GET AWAY WITH IT

>>8932114
People wanted to see what the game was going to be like. After 10 mins, they realized it sucked since it's a kusoge and started leaving. It's really not that complicated. Sana held onto 11k for like 30-40 mins anyways.

>>8932571
They're not even close to being the same. Gura hit her peak almost 2 hours in. Sana hit it just 10 mins after the loading screen, going from 10.5k to 11.9k.

>>8932703
Vtubers are still niche, don't listen to your echo chamber.

>>8932728
You're really focused on a really small discrepancy that doesn't look like botting at all.

If you overlay the graphs, they look almost the same, fucking moron.

>>8929715
>Ayyy lmao
>XD I'll apply some meds
Who the fuck types like this? Ayy? Are you retarded? Keep lurking, faggot

>Your oshi is shit
>5 minutes after she starts talking during her debut people understand that, and leave
>Go to /vt/
>Make up botting rrat to cope with the fact your oshi is fucking garbage

Can't tell if you are baiting or an actual schizo, take meds regardless.

>>8932703
Gentlemen, you can't bait in here, this is the numbers thread.

>>8932914
Sana is great though.

She's fast rising in my ratings.

>>8932764
What an odd reply. It's got nothing to do with anything I said. Almost as if you're a bot. Wait a minute...

OH FUCK YAGOO'S BOTTING /VT/

>>8932515
>manages to hold even viewership with a higher subbed chuuba despite playing a much less popular game thanks to being naturally much more entertaining
oh i get it now, faunafags are just having a bit of a breakdown
nothing to see here folks, as you were

>>8932807
They really don't. She hit her peak extremely early, specially considering she was just showing a loading screen before. And then she nosedived in viewers.

>>8932952
Eh, her humor during the debut made me cringe hard. Has that changed? Should I give her a second chance?

>>8932987
>nosedived

You must actually be braindead.

>>8932999
I would defo give her a second chance, especially next kusogame stream, she's a pretty good entertainer.

Also, she lost even more subs today. Just her this time for some reason.

>>8932677
>They're all botted.
>Views must all be bots.
>Look down at my hand
My god I've been a machine this whole time!

>>8932860
sorry anon, the meds are a suppository now

>>8933273
*rapidly approaching lustful clock noises*

>>8932978
Faunafag here. I think that guy is just a schizo.

>>8929696
Do you understand that the content of a video has no impact on whether or not people click on it? Before I click on a vid, all I see is title and thumbnail. That's it. I have no idea what's going on inside.

>>8933273
NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
I'm a bot
You're a bot
We're all bots down here.

>>8933314
I accept my fate.

>>8932978
Don't lump that retard with us, we have enough retards as it is and numberfags isn't one of them.

>everything pointing out that Cover is doing some heavy botting with this gen
>NUH UH IT'S NOT TAKE UR MEDS XDDDD
Holobronies truly are a cult incapable of being reasoned with.

>>8933519
see
>>8932519
If we are botted everyone is botted you worthless nijinigger

Holobros, where are her views and likes???

>>8934033
up her galactic ass

>>8929385
>>8929696
Kiara's waiting for Ina stream got a shitton of views. So you can either believe Kiara is a great entertainer or that people will sit around and watch streams have problems and delays.

>>8933832
See: >>8932560
It will likely only happen a single time for them like with LazuLight. It's triggered by the channels not having any content and gaining a lot of subs apparently. Holocouncil is STILL losing subs despite their channels having content.

>>8929385
medicate.

Still waiting for someone to post a stream that's comparable to what happened today.

All the 'arguments' I'm seeing here are just brand idolatry and cope.

>>8929385
SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIET

>>8929385
>>8935095
>OP was bullied from numbers thread
>again
have you decided to go back to your own thread, worm? don't worry, i will provide context for people out there
>>8932563
>>8933976
enjoy you prey, anons

>>8935214
Anon, i didn't speak up in other threads myself, but why are you doing this? Is this some sort of fetish? You allright there buddy?

>>8935214
This just makes you look pathetic for being obsessed enough to avatarfag and follow this anon.
Try not to bump the thread next time, too.

>>8934033
She reuploaded the VOD after she finished streaming, apparently cutting out some scuff at the start.

>>8929385
I was the last sanallite

>>8931093
It does if you don't do it right.

>>8929385
Meds

>>8935306
The numbers before and after a stream are suspect (possibly during as well); Youtube uses spotty logic to count the active watchers during non-active periods.

That's why a streamer can restart their PC for a five-minute break and the viewer count drops to nothing, but shoots back up immediately the moment they resume the stream.

>>8933260
>literally shows her gaining subs today
Retardchama....

>>8933260
Dumbass, the first green noomber is her sub gain for today. Stop reading /#/ if you don't understand what you're seeing.

>>8931511
haachama has had an insane number of viewers waiting even when the stream hasn't even started
when there's a loading screen
when she's actually on screen herself
just because it doesn't happen to the forgettables you watch doesn't mean it's not possible

why is this board so full of tech-illiterate people, or people who are just plain stupid?

>>8929696
>"alright retards, listen up. I'll make this easy to understand."
>adds zero clarification or additional details to OPs post
>"the arguements for not botting are very weak at best."
I understand why you think the people around you are retarded. Anyone who has to listen to you would lose braincells.

Anyone who followed holoen2s announcement, debut and first week of streaming will understand that theres something fishy going on. Especially with Sana. Youtube may be a shit tiet pajeet machiene spirit but that doesnt mean they slash tens of thousands of subs for nothing across 5 or 6 channels. Get a grip.

>>8929385
Sad. Who thought it was a good idea to have a nigger Vtuber. Who would voluntarily want to be a nigger?

>>8937998
Because it's flooded with third-worlder SEAnigger trolls.

>>8938629
They DO do that though. All the time. Were you not around when NijiEN debuted?
>Chuuba channels are made and announced
>Chuubas get flood of subscribers
>Youtube see's a massive influx of subscribers for a channel that hasn't posted anything
>Youtube freaks out and starts randomly unsubscribing people who look like they might be bots (mostly people without profile pics)

>>8938629
reposting for tourists.

>what happened
YT flags subs that are made by accounts which subcribes to the same 5 (in this case) channels simulatenously in a short period of time.

>how do you know this
happened to NijiEN, to Edengumi, to HoloEN2, to NijiKR(6?), etc on their announcement and debuts. more so to HoloEN2 since EOP are subwhores and subbed immediately to the new girls regardless of anything.
Note that IRyS completely avoids this as she debuts alone, therefore no simultaneous subscribing takes place.

>why only vtubers
Its not only vtubers, if you look into @TeamYoutube tweets/replies, you'll find similar cases, mostly to new or small channels. most likely because YT's algo only checks this sort of behaviour when it detects a channel gained a considerable of subs in a short period of time (when a channel increased its subcount by more than 10% in a day, for example).
There is also one case where theres a 10-channel normie tuber collab and they all gain ~1k subs. YT then slash ~500 subs from all of them with little to no reason given out by YT when they complained.

>how can YT's AI be this retarded?
wont be the first time. and if you consider how a subfarm works, they are sweatshops that have multiple accounts over multiple devices that will subscribe to a fixed list of channels that have paid for their service, probably in a short period of time.
How a large number of fans/boxpushers reacts to a vtubers debut is unfortunately too similar with that and therefore is falsely flagged by YT's AI.

>so when will they return the subs back
not anytime soon, probably never.
the subscribers that are already flagged as spam/invalid are not actually unsubscribed, you will still get notification and all from the channel. its just that your sub wont count in the public subcount.
this is consistent with @TeamYoutube's position on the matter, which is they dont and never remove subs and that they regularly purge subs from inactive/spam accounts.

>but why are there people who claims that they are unsubscribed manually by YT
well YT is apparently such a big fucking mess that the reason some people are experiencing that is because of an entirely unrelated bug where your sublist may not properly sync when you are already subscribed to more than a certain number of channels.

>>8938797
more pic related

>>8938694
How do you know I’m from the Philippines?

>>8929696
>People are entertained by nothing being streamed?
I only opened an EN stream for the first time because a friend mentioned an early Kiara stream being a technical shitshow. Suffering is fun to watch.

>>8938797
TL:DR: EOPs are retarded enough to sub to all 5 without even watching their debut streams or waiting a bit more