/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8925184
>Using midget to justify failed gen
EN2 fags are the worst

*spit cereal*

Nice bots holonigger: >>8924977

Why are we having midget fights?

>>8925256
>nijiEN2 fags are the worst*

>>8925313
i see (you) worm
>>8924977
>>8924469

>>8925256
*cums on you*

>>8925652
You wanna put on a trip? Because this is the third thread you've posted this image in in the past 15 minutes.

>>8925184
Imagine comparing someone who has debut week honeymoon buff, to someone who is streaming their perspective of a 6-person collab.
Holofags really sinking to new lows.

>>8925184
>and gets more viewers than Kiara

>Finana
>getting 3100 viewers
She usually gets a third of this ammount. I'm proud of her.

>>8925184
Brand power, That the answer, how retarded can you be?

Numberfaggotry only has meaning if you're directly profiting from Nijisanji's growth and frankly Nijisanji EN is underrated.

>>8928764
Exactly. And even then, brand power didn’t help the new gen much as they flopped harder than Irys did on debut. Starting to think Irys debuting and not being as good as she was hyped up to be killed any hype for EN2. That along with garbage character designs.

>>8929385
I remade the thread since the holoshill mod deleted it. The arguments for not being botting are very weak.

>>8929103
More like overrated. That's why most of them were 2 views before.

>>8929309
Call me a schizo, but I think NijiEN caused an EN chuuba burnout that affected both Irys and the Council. If there was just a solid year of no big EN chuubas between Myth and Council, people would've attached to the new girls immediately, seeing them as the breath of fresh air they finally needed.

Instead, NijiEN debuted, and a lot of Holofags went, "oh nice, a new HoloEN gen!", and by the time the actual new HoloEN gen debuted, fans were like, "ehh, I'll check out the debut, but between Ame, Elira, Gura, and Selen, I just don't have the time, so maybe I'll come back later". So sure, Nijis didn't kill or even match HoloEN, but you'd be crazy to say they haven't affected them at all.

>>8929788
The whole vtuber is overrated. There's TONS of content creators in Youtube who has to grind for years just to get like 500k subs, and they make their content by sacrificing their whole life like they're depended on it.

>>8929309
But still, 10k live view per stream is already good enough not to mention SC every second, niji only lose to brand power and brand loyal shit, even if niji have better talent that holo they still gonna be second, sad reality

her subs are so low the floor is ashamed

>>8929924
NijiEn will blow up honestly, their roster is too good, especially compared to their direct competition A8NAS

>>8930094
Funny you are posting that here, but i'll entertain you.
Do you think that vtubers are not putting the same effort, even more, when they create content? It seems what you can only see are just the brightest stars. And some of these brightest ones even climbed out of obscurity through grit. How could you just downplay their efforts just like that as content creator?

>>8930094
Are they cute anime girls? If not they should get a real job.

>>8930094
Vtubers are small fry to actual big content creators

>>8929103
>Nijisanji EN is underrated
Please don't become like the annoying Holostars fanbase.
>>8930445
Lets be real, we would not be watching them if they did not have the anime avatars they have.

>>8930535
>we

Are you telling me that your appreciation of a content creator is merely skin deep?

>>8930094
Then they're doing it wrong if they just want numbers

>>8930397
AHAHAHAHA DID YOU JUST TYPE THE CAPTCHA INTO THE WRONG FIELD? WHAT'S WRONG ANON, FINGERS TOO SLOW TO MOVE A CENTIMETER DOWN? I CAN'T BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>8929924
After 2020, vtuber numbers were normalising. Now the numbers are declining. Pekora and Kuzuha's numbers for solo streams are decreasing. Vtuber chats are slower, etc. The hype's gone. People don't give a fuck about quarantine anymore either. But APEX is continuing to rise in JP. Even DTN is back in the pro scene. Bet they feel stupid for leaving it while it was rising.

>>8930624
I'd never watched someone play a video game on the internet let alone vlog to a camera in my fucking life until someone pointed me at Hololive desu

>>8926870
Mega cope

>>8930624
Why did you start watching vtubers instead of other streamers/youtubers then? How can you know their content if you never watched them Don't lie. You only gave them a chance because of the avatar. I can admit that because I'm not delusional.

>>8930681
A 16 sub channel is the direct competitor kappa

>>8930624
Yes retard. You think people here would tolerate someone like selen if she was just showing her fat face? No nigger it's because she has a cute dragon avatar that most people will ignore that stuff and watch

>>8930858
I have seen a lot of content creators rise and fall through time. Some stabilized, others forgotten. They all got that dedication, passion and effort to deliver quality or innovative content. This is also true with vtubers. If you are not giving them a chance then that's up to you. But when you blatantly mock their efforts, without any prior basis, well that is more delusional.

If someone is truly skilled and / or interesting, people will watch them. Faggots crying about brand power or brand loyalty are just sour grapes. If, after month(s) of streaming, your chuuba's numbers are still (relatively) low, it's simply that they aren't as interesting as you faggots thought, at least not for common people
Hal has no “brand power” except what he built up himself, and his tournament streams still gathered dozens if not hundred thousands people. If people find something interesting, they will watch it. Stop coping

>>8931133
Should have just stick to onlyfans

>>8929924
Numbers don't match that and the NijiEN growth isn't that good. I will give examples.

NijiEN 1 live view numbers
Elira: 1547 (vod 48k)
Pomu: 2073 (vod 42k)
Finana: 1488 (vod 42k)
NijiEN 2
Petra: 1098 (vod 26k)
Selen: 2036 (vod 61k)
Rosemi: 1176 (vod 24k)

For refence IRyS gets 6144 (vod 181k), IRyS gets more that NijiEN 1 combined. IRyS gets more than NijiEN 2. Unless you think IRyS still has shiny new paint then she's clearly ahead of NijiEN.

>>8931413
IRyS is a dirty JP panderer

>>8931170
You didn't even answer any of my questions.
>Why did you start watching vtubers instead of other streamers/youtubers then?
Its the avatar.
>They all got that dedication, passion and effort to deliver quality or innovative content.
Thats nice but like I said, if you never gave them a chance how would you know their content is good. You, like other vtuber fans, probably only gave them a chance because they are vtubers. Because of their avatars. Just admit that bro, stop being delusional. You can admit that and say their quality is good but don't pretend that the avatar didn't contribute anything.
>>8931291
This is true for Holostarfags who keep saying they're underrated. They're simply not as good as the top Niji males. Hal isn't really a good example. He invested heavily in APEX early on and he got lucky that it was the right game to invest in. He became THE guy for APEX in JP, so when it blew up, he reaped in tons of benefits. Look at the VSPO girls whose main game is APEX, they surged compared to others who didn't main APEX. BobSappAim was lucky he met Hal and kept in touch with him and made the jump to APEX.

>>8931701
>watch holostars
I'm just gonna assume you're right. You couldn't pay me to do that shit.

>>8931701
You do not put words in my mouth. Why did I start watching vtubers? I gave them a chance. Their avatars are just part of their identity to differentiate them among many other creators. The question is why do you think that content creation should be limited to your view of the correct way?

>>8931413
>For refence IRyS gets 6144 (vod 181k)
And how does that compare to someone like Ame or Ina? I never said that "NijiEN gets more views than Irys or HoloEN2". My point was that NijiEN lowered the hype for HoloEN2 by saturating the market early on, causing them to decline faster than HoloEN1 did.

If you need an analogy, who will drink more water: a man who hasn't drunk for two days, or one who hasn't drunk for two hours?
>first man: HoloMyth fans
>second man: HoloCouncil
>water: viewers
>woman who borrowed water from the first man after he was done, drank a bit before getting full, then gave the rest to the second man: NijiEN

>>8931413
Don’t get so cocky, Wave 6 will d-definitely be the HoloENkiller…

>>8931291
>Hal
male vtuber operates different, nigger

>>8930397
We will see.

>>8932245
>And how does that compare to someone like Ame or Ina? I never said that "NijiEN gets more views than Irys or HoloEN2". My point was that NijiEN lowered the hype for HoloEN2 by saturating the market early on, causing them to decline faster than HoloEN1 did.
NijiEN didn't do that, numbers are going down across the board on average and this was happening well before NijiEN. February through April were brutal.

>lowered the hype for HoloEN2
They averaged like 90k views for the debut,. The hype was real. Wait a few months before declaring NijENi on the rise, especially when for August Elira is down 25%, Selen is down 20%, Petra is down 10%, and Rosemi is down 5%. Pomu and Finana are up 15% and 20% though. You're backing things up without facts, just how you want to see it. Once the numbers reflect you're hypothesis it's just you musing.

>>8931291
Assuming you're not just being an asshole for no reason, there is a mix between brand power and talent when it comes to numbers. Brand power is noticeable between different brands when it comes to views, but within the same gen, numbers are more representative of talent. For example, Selen gets noticeably more viewers than Rosemi or Petra, because she's just funnier. Rosemi CAN be funny, but those moments are few and far between, and Petra just struggles to entertain outside of collabs.

If you really believe what you say, then tell me how EXACTLY, say, an Ame APEX stream is better than a Selen APEX stream, WITHOUT just pointing at the numbers. Does Ame make more jokes? Is she better at APEX than Selen is? Does she have a better attitude towards the game? Numbers are just the effect, and an effect is meaningless without a cause.

>>8932841
Rosemi is gachi bait and Petra is a dud. Selen is the best looking kid with downs.

>>8932841
If you've ever watched some decent 2view chuuba kwap you know this anon is right. Gura is not a 1000x better entertainer than some other vtuber; she might be very good at what she does but the numbers are a reflection of having the right brand at the right time combined with talent rather than pure talent.

One of the Niji girls will sellout to hololive if EN3 passes the greenlight holoID3 is just a test for vtuber burnout

>>8931291
>Brand loyalty are just sour grapes
If ITS not brand loyalty then why even after holoEN2 suck so much they still get over 10k peak? Even pomu return stream max out on 5k view and dropping because people can't watch her on work, in the end of the day it still brand loyalty cuz holofag don't even watch nijiEN cuz they are nijiEN, if nijiEN girl is holoEN they be getting 10k view per streaming, brand loyalty play big in vtuber anon,

Its the same as when kizuna ai is the head of what vtuber it, basically no one watch other vtuber other that kizuna ai even if they know there "other" vtuber, now hololive is the head if what vtuber is and all other vtuber outside holo/niji don't even get 1k view on every stream, max out they get is 100 people watching and if they get lucky then they get more, if you say brand loyalty don't play on this industry they you just retarded, cuz if its not because brand even nijisanji JP Will get more that they have now knowing they also funny and more open with their chaos and shit

>>8933029
>One of the Niji girls
C'mon, we don't even need to guess who it's gonna be

>>8933029
I doubt it. NijiEN is a good gig, each girl has an established fanbase, Cover would rather hire randoms, and isn't a good idea to make Niji fans into antis considering their history of discord raids. There is also the phycology of justifying what position you are at in life.

>>8925184
can any of you retarded uneducated fucks use 'fewer' instead of 'less' when your talking about a countable value?

>>8932383
>male vtuber operates different, nigger
It's pretty much the same - in the long term, people will watch someone they find interesting, not some boring shit with a familiar tag. In Hal's case, it was because nips find his APEX streams entertaining, not because he has some unknown super brand power.
If you don't want a male VTuber example, then just look at VShojo - arguably the second biggest VTuber org in the West right now (and the biggest on Twitch). Personally, I don't watch most of them, but seeing that their numbers are relatively decent, obviously there are people who find them interesting. Their tastes and mine might differ, but I wouldn't say that people watched VShojo because of those girls' "brand power". Without being paid, no one is going to sit in front of a computer for hours looking at the screen and listen to something he / she isn't interested in. "Brand power" might help with putting your names out there (which indeed gives organized or corporate VTubers an edge over indies), but pass first few streams, it's up the talents / livers themselves to keep their viewers. If the numbers (be it CCV or VOD views) are relatively low, chances are the streamer is just not as entertaining as their fans thought (I'm using "entertaining" and not "talented", because they aren't professional artists / gamers, they are entertainers). Vice-versa, if the numbers are high, it simply means that people find the streamer (be it Holo, Niji or VShojo) interesting instead

>>8933084
>If ITS not brand loyalty then why even after holoEN2 suck so much they still get over 10k peak?
Surprise, surprise, have you ever considered that many people do not think that HoloEN2 suck? Do you really think people would sit in front of their computer for hours looking at something they don't like? Seriously?
As I said, "brand power" gives organized / corporate VTubers an edge in getting their names out there. After that? It's up to the streamer. Otherwise, RBC, Kiara or Mel wouldn't be sitting in the 1k-3k range for their usual streams

>>8933417
>have you ever considered that many people do not think that HoloEN2 suck?
Have you EVER WATCHED THEM? They suck hard. I'm fully convinced that people who watched them are literal braindead brand consoomers.

>>8933517
Who's your oshi anon?

>>8933092
And you think she's gonna get in while being the one already lagging behind everyone else in nijiEN? Rumao
At least the other ones would have a chance barring more nepotism at work

>>8933517
I've only watched two of Sana's solo streams, Fauna's Pokemon United stream earlier, and Mumei's Construction Simulator stream. So far, I enjoyed all of them. They aren't going to turn into my favorite Holos, but I definitely would watch them again in the future until their streams stop entertain me (or if their streams overlap with FBK / Mio / IRyS / Lamy). Heck, even when Mumei was clueless as fuck in her Construction Simulation stream, her model, voice and general air just made you feel like you're watching your toddler learning to play with her new toys. Call me a groomer if you want, but that was cute enough that you wanted to cheer her on and hope all the best for the clueless little autistic owl.
Sure, maybe to you, "they suck hard", just like I will never understand how Gura has that many VOD views. However, kindly keep in mind that your taste might differ from others

>>8933546
Kuromiya Tima, Inori Hazuki, Kurumi Noah, Sumire Kaga, Inui Toko, Azuchi Momo.

>>8933517
Purisu andasutando that you, merely by virtue of being here, do not represent the majority opinion.

>>8933828
Kek all those girls suck hard. I'm fully convinced that people who watched them are literal braindead moeblob consoomers.

>>8933417
>After that? Its up to the streamer
As much as i hate it, i agree with on anything goes with how the girl doing, but my point still stand, i seen this brand loyal fan not only on this site that why i said it, people might not watch nijiEN just cuz they "nijisanji" and to me that bullshit, they work hard just for people to hate them simply because they are Nijisanji,
Look at nijiID they have good funny talent, like bonnivier pranaja for example! He a funny uncle streamer and a good one but he get triple less that holoID viewer just cuz he a nijisanji vtuber

>>8934240
Even more, he speak 3 Language to try to reach for more people but still can't cuz how the fuck know nijisanji? Anything vtuber is hololive

>>8925184
The best thing is that 3k viewers is amazing for a NijiEN lmao

>>8934240
>Indog
>Male
I fucking wonder why.

>>8935079
>For nijiEN, it was the most important day of their 2 view lives
>But for Hololive, it was Tuesday

>>8925184
Less subs than VShojo

>>8934388
Speaking multiple languages are unironically a debuff, it breaks the flow and makes the stream drag on for longer than it should if it's just translating the same thing over and over again. From what little i have seen of Bon, he usually sticks to one so it isn't quite as heavy an debuff as it usually is.

>>8929924
As much as I agree with you in general, I wouldn't say that it's solely due to NijiEN. A whole bunch of other western English speaking small companies have sprung up in the past year, many of them having vtubers that appeal to niches that Hololive's English-speaking talent have failed to address. People now have a lot of choice, and don't necessarily "need" HoloEN to enjoy vtuber content in English anymore.
NijiEN is a big factor though. Basically all of the HoloEN members took a break at some point during the summer months, which lined up perfectly with Lazulight's and Obsydia's debuts. Especially with Lazulight, the NijiEN girls had a lot of time to soak up bored HoloEN viewers and even some of their high-roller superchatters.

>>8925184
Whoa, since when Nijien gets so much views?

>>8935800
full members collab vs 1 brown girl

>>8935869
The collab was streamed from two POVs, so 6k if you add them up.

>>8935946
>thinking that each have 3k unique viewers

>>8933084
Nah it's just brand loyalty and momentum build from HoloEN and HoloJP during their peak which is why they're getting more views. I watch Shiki who is the fastest growing EN vtuber in those small startups and she gets a ton of Holofans who ask her dumb questions like what is Prism, why did she join it instead of Hololive and other stuff as she tries to explain that she has other members in her generation and how they stream content as entertainer and talents for people to enjoy.

Also Hololive refuses to communicate with the vtuber community and to collab with them which mean all their current fanbase is locked in as they really do not know any better options out there. They just think Hololive=vtubing instead of a massive variety of options that arent just vshojo and nijisanji.

>>8937043
I'm sorry that their mere existence caused you so much butthurt.