/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/
>https://mipacd.github.io/chat-stats/excl-chat.html

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>8897313
One day these VSharts will kneel

Already better than the old thread

Here are the intracompany ranks when this pic was taken from the Top100

Nijis
>35267 ::Gwelu Os Gar (にじさんじ)
>27092 :: Kuzuha Channel (にじさんじ)
>21413 :: イブラヒム (にじさんじ)
>18564 :: イブラヒム (にじさんじ)
>15667 ::Fuwa Minato (にじさんじ)
>12853 ::Fuwa Minato (にじさんじ)
>12498 :: 社築 (にじさんじ)
>11421 :: エクス・アルビオ -Ex Albio- (にじさんじ)
>10674 :: リゼ・ヘルエスタ -Lize Helesta- (にじさんじ)
>9357 ::Saegusa Akina (にじさんじ)
>9200 ::Axia Krone (にじさんじ)
>9086 :: 加賀美 ハヤト/Hayato Kagami (にじさんじ)
>8999 :: Kanae Channel (にじさんじ)
>8641 :: 舞元啓介 (にじさんじ)
>7427 :: フレン・E・ルスタリオ (にじさんじ)
>6393 ::Sasaki Saku (にじさんじ)
>6198 ::Lauren Iroas (にじさんじ)
>6082 ::Leos.Vincent (にじさんじ)
>5822 ::Oliver Evans (にじさんじ)
>5485 :: アルス・アルマル -ars almal- (にじさんじ)
>5317 ::Hakase Fuyuki (にじさんじ)
>5253 ::Kaida Haru (にじさんじ)
>5026 :: 町田ちま (にじさんじ)
>4038 :: 勇気ちひろ (にじさんじ)
>3875 ::Hakase Fuyuki (にじさんじ)
>3744 :: Selen Tatsuki 【NIJISANJI EN】 (NIJISANJI EN)
>3456 :: Finana Ryugu 【NIJISANJI EN】 (NIJISANJI EN)
>3448 :: 伏見ガク【にじさんじ所属】 (にじさんじ)
>3144 ::Elu (にじさんじ)
>3044 :: 卯月コウ (にじさんじ)
>2915 ::Amamya Ch. (にじさんじ)
>2788 ::Suo Sango (にじさんじ)
>2488 :: 魔界ノりりむ (にじさんじ)
>2410 :: 花畑チャイカ (にじさんじ)
>2408 ::Rion Takamiya (にじさんじ)
>2369 :: ニュイ・ソシエール //[Nui Sociere] (にじさんじ)
>2147 :: レイン・パターソン/Lain Paterson (にじさんじ)
>1687 :: シスター・クレア -SisterClaire- (にじさんじ)
>1607 :: 夜見れな/yorumi rena【にじさんじ所属】 (にじさんじ)
>1504 :: でびでび・でびる (にじさんじ)

Holos
>43216 :: Ouro Kronii Ch. (Hololive EN)
>31008 :: Suisei Channel (ホロライブ)
>27118 :: Watson Amelia Ch. (Hololive EN)
>25574 :: Pekora Ch. 兎田ぺこら (ホロライブ)
>24698 :: Marine Ch. 宝鐘マリン (ホロライブ)
>18099 :: Miko Ch. さくらみこ (ホロライブ)
>17973 :: Subaru Ch. 大空スバル (ホロライブ)
>17486 :: Flare Ch. 不知火フレア (ホロライブ)
>16744 :: Miko Ch. さくらみこ (ホロライブ)
>14754 :: Shion Ch. 紫咲シオン (ホロライブ)
>14752 :: Rushia Ch. 潤羽るしあ (ホロライブ)
>14065 :: Gawr Gura Ch. (Hololive EN)
>13456 :: IRyS Ch. (Hololive EN)
>12937 :: Korone Ch. 戌神ころね (ホロライブ)
>11539 :: Watame Ch. 角巻わため (ホロライブ)
>11255 :: Kanata Ch. 天音かなた (ホロライブ)
>9291 :: Watame Ch. 角巻わため (ホロライブ)
>8958 :: フブキCh。白上フブキ (ホロライブ)
>8625 :: Aruran Ch. アルランディス (Holostars)
>7401 :: Okayu Ch. 猫又おかゆ (ホロライブ)
>7079 :: Aqua Ch. 湊あくあ (ホロライブ)
>6969 :: Mio Channel 大神ミオ (ホロライブ)
>6772 :: Ninomae Ina'nis Ch. (Hololive EN)
>6357 :: Mio Channel 大神ミオ (ホロライブ)
>6350 :: Takanashi Kiara Ch. (Hololive EN)
>6169 :: フブキCh。白上フブキ (ホロライブ)
>5834 :: Noel Ch. 白銀ノエル (ホロライブ)
>5648 :: Nene Ch.桃鈴ねね (ホロライブ)
>5232 :: Towa Ch. 常闇トワ (ホロライブ)
>4756 :: Kureiji Ollie Ch. (Hololive ID)
>3733 :: Polka Ch. 尾丸ポルカ (ホロライブ)
>3594 :: Roboco Ch. - ロボ子 (ホロライブ)
>2652 :: Lamy Ch. 雪花ラミィ (ホロライブ)
>2351 :: astel ch.アステル (Holostars)
>2247 :: Pavolia Reine Ch. (Hololive ID)
>1782 :: Takanashi Kiara Ch. (Hololive EN)
>1710 :: アキロゼCh。Vtuber/ホロライブ所属 (ホロライブ)
>1427 :: Airani Iofifteen Channel (Hololive ID)

(1/2)

>>8897428
Others
>25501 :: 渋谷ハル (Indie)
>19872 :: 渋谷ハル (Indie)
>6705 :: 一ノ瀬うるは (VSPO)
>4889 :: 渋谷ハル (Indie)
>4214 :: 胡桃のあ (VSPO)
>3956 :: 一ノ瀬うるは (VSPO)
>3777 :: 一ノ瀬うるは (VSPO)
>3623 :: 花芽すみれ (VSPO)
>3333 ::小森めと 【VApArt】 (VApArt)
>3286 :: ぽんぽこちゃんねる (Indie)
>3270 :: 白雪レイドーReid Channelー (Indie)
>2789 :: 胡桃のあ (VSPO)
>2705 :: 鬼灯わらべHoozuki Warabe (NoriPro)
>2696 ::杏戸ゆげ 【VApArt】 (VApArt)
>2551 :: 八雲べに (VSPO)
>2302 :: 天野ピカミィ. Pikamee (VOMS)
>2144 :: 英リサ.Hanabusa Lisa (VSPO)
>2125 :: ひまりチャンネル HIMARI channel (unicreate)
>1938 :: 白雪みしろShirayuki Mishiro (NoriPro)
>1607 ::Hinano Tachibana (VSPO)
>1577 ::周防パトラ 【ハニスト】 (HoneyStrap)
>1513 ::風見くく 【あにまーれ】 (AniMare)

Consider this:
>Lize
>one of the fews Nijifems who can break 10k+ regularly, got 10k+ on a zatsu today which something only Marine and Subaru are capable of
>panders to unicorns and doesn't collab with males
Wow! When you follow the hololive model you get good numbers! Who would've thought? The other Niji girls are midgets due to their frequent interactions with males.

>>8897445
There's a serious case to be made that VSPO is the 3rd biggest vtuber agency on Youtube right now

starting off with bait
you seaniggers never sleep?

>>8897562
Isn't this pic proving the exact counterexample and showing Ars, a frequent male collaber?

>>8897611
I need to see more but as of right now they surely look like it.

>HoloID Anya and NijiID Siska collabing this week
TRIBALFAGS BTFO!

>>8897793
The bigger news there is Anya actually playing Minecraft.

>>8897837
Yeah, hopefully Moona will inject her with the addiction and the OCD

>>8897793
HoloID is a unity branch anyways.Niji, Male, Indie? Doesn't matter.
Looking forward to those MC numbers though, THAT is going to be potentially big if it's on the JP server.

Impressing collective views for these scrims. Their opponents are streaming too, so the total viewership is probably something like 20k.

>>8897562
didn't lize collab with yashiro the other day though..

>>8898195
Here is a VERY VERY VERY very PROTIP: in the browser

>Open https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>Scroll down until there is no more streams to be loaded
>Press F12
>in the console paste this

> var arr = []; for (var doc of document.getElementsByClassName("css-uqt7ec")) { if (!(doc.innerText.match(/ぶいす/i))) { arr.push(doc); }}; for (var doc of arr) { doc.remove(); };
it will leave you with only the VSPO streams

Works in any other view of that site too. If you are privy of the workings of REGEXP you can filter by anything you want like that

>>8898195
>>8898339
And yes,. I'm impressed by those numbers. VSPO is easily the third force on Youtube right now, bar noned

>>8896983
VOMS is run by the artist/musician GYARI, who you might know from this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyneiz9FRMw
They're not an agency, they're sort of an indie collective. There's no incorporated company and no staff besides him and the chuubas themselves.

>>8898491
That's a distinction without a difference. The same was said about VShojo and they're opening auditions now.

>>8898521
Vshojo is incorporated (at a PO box in Delaware lol) and has multiple staff. They're a company.

>>8897562
Lize was the MC in Nijinoon though, where she and her guests have to talk back and forth... What are you on about anon

>>8898339
And a comparison with the seige twitch streams right now

>>8897562
>>panders to unicorns and doesn't collab with males

Holonigger doesn't know about the whole "Chaika the First, Second and Third Princess" saga....

>>8898491
So VOMS doesn't have a business address?

>>8898786
Correct, because they don't have a business. The copyright for the characters etc. is just assigned to GYARI personally.

>>8898637
>at a PO box in Delaware lol
kek, I'm not even kidding, even my lowly maggot passed that arrangement, I figured out the fiscal benefits were not worthy the hassle.

>>8898855
>The copyright for the characters etc. is just assigned to GYARI personally.
That's a recipe for a disaster, the whole livelihood of every single streamer is one car crash away from vanishing in smoke

>>8898692
Going to Twitch and sorting out v-tuber streams is also very enlightening for those who wish to be reminded at what kind of numbers MOST v-tubers get.
Spoilers, the vast majority get way under 1k. Heck, even 1k puts you in the top 10-20 on Twitch most of the time.

I didn't expect nearly this level of SCs from the Korean learning stream. Looks they were actually willing to pay up for pandering

>>8898786
Whether it does or doesn't is irrelevant. The company could be an S-Corp (or the Japanese equivalent of a sole proprietorship) and the operation would function pretty much the same way as it were a "circle" (a common term for such groups in Japan). Even their website and IP is copyrighted to Gyari instead of a representative entity called "VOMS" (or whatever company name).

>>8899046
This is a business.
If the gooks want HoloKR, they'll need to show up.
Coco only got 2k from ES streams despite having the largest clout (2x - 3x more audience).
I think HoloKR is much more likely than HoloES.

>>8897562
>panders to unicorns and doesn't collab with males
Retardchama

>>8897562
>got 10k+ on a zatsu today which something only Marine and Subaru are capable of
Do you actually believe the things you type

>>8897611
For live views they almost certainly are, and they recently moved above Noripro and will soon pass .LIVE for total subs (well not counting their dead channels), 774 is still quite a long way ahead in that metric though. In terms of superchats 774 and Noripro are definitely higher, and .LIVE is roughly the same, I'm sure all the sponsorships they've been doing makes up for that though.

Speaking of numbers, pewdiepie reported $1.5M on membership revenue in 2020-2021
I wonder how much the holos are making since they have actual membership content and not just a 'I'll donate this' policy with no benefits.

>>8897313
>subaru was #13 but her title says #9

1.4M vs 2.25M subs for VSpo and 774.
But 774 has double the number of vtubers.

774 is bigger historically, but they aren't growing at the rate that VSpo is. They lag behind in live views. Superchats have stagnated.

Patra is an exception to all this though - she carries 774 on her own.

>>8899680
70% of membership fees go to Cover+talent.
Assuming the 50/50 split is true for memberships as it is for SCs, 35% of membership fees go to the talents.

Let's take that 17k that floats around for 'minimum' of Gura's memberships. Assume that, since that's the minimum, they're all $5 memberships and not a sea of some funnymoney like ARS. That's ~1mil MINIMUM before Cover+YT cuts, or ~$350,000 a year in memberships alone.

>>8899970
> Patra is an exception to all this though - she carries 774 on her own.
Patra is treading a thin line to carry 774. She already got multiple strikes already.

>>8900222
>She already got multiple strikes already.
Really? What for, ASMR?

Man Gura’s post debut legs seem like they’ll never be replicated. Kronii is already down to 10k a day, which is still amazing of course but maybe there will never be a bubble like that again

>>8900264
Yea, if she gets demonetized for good, then she'll have to move to twitcast or something.

Nice to see VSPO incline
Used to watch them when 3 out of 4 of their members struggled to get over 300 viewers

Nazuna to help pay bills would routinely sell postcards. She would basically spend hours handwriting them one at a time and they were cheap only 10$ each for a handwritten note + signature from your oshi.

She also used to welcome every name in chat at the start of her streams.

All this hard work has paid off. Not only is the viewership pretty good their sponsor game is strong thanks to a very centralized audience.

>>8900309
How far back those demonetizations go? It baffles me because Haachama is dabbing on Youtube for about a year now trying her best to get get and she can't even get her streams banned.
Last time she had to PRETEND Youtube bonked her because she is at her sixth "eroi review" stream and Youtube won't even bat an eye

>>8897998
That's what i like about the SEA chuubas, they really are united in inclining the Vtuber or weeb popularity in general.
I wish the ENsphere get more united to break into the mainstream like JP was, since EN has way more options and paths. Too bad there's currently no EN ver. of Kizuna Ai and the 4 Heavenly King to united the chuubas and lead them to maintream popularity.

>>8900363
>Nazuna to help pay bills would routinely sell postcards. She would basically spend hours handwriting them one at a time and they were cheap only 10$ each for a handwritten note + signature from your oshi.
Wow, that sounds tough. I only started watching them recently. They must have put a lot of work in to keep it going in the early days.

>>8899970
>she carries 774 on her own.
>still believed sc is chuubas main source income
Anon...

>>8900408
>Too bad there's currently no EN ver. of Kizuna Ai and the 4 Heavenly King to united the chuubas
You can blame that on Veibae in particular and the collective "ENVTuber" (more like ENVTweeters) for that.
Instead of reaching out and trying to ride the wave they went all
>you all "corporate" VTuber fans are retards for liking what you like, you are nothing but mass coomsoomers of brand name talentless mass produced garbage and you should be ashamed of yourself.
>Yeah, and these corporations at black companies and I WILL NEVER EVER EVER SEE MYSELF AT ONE OF THESE CORPS

Veibae stunts burn any bridge Coco tried to erect to lift the little guys up, and the retardation from the ENVTweeters got so visible Calli ended up making a song calling them on their shit.

There will NEVER be any "unity" on the EN scene because the small guys called "sour grapes" and burned any bridge and there is one thing where asians (and japanese in particular) are world renowed for and it is
>holding a grudge

>>8899970
Patra's ASMR carries her, look at her Piyo graph to see the insane weekly spike compared to the mediocre numbers she gets for every other stream. For other 774s Haneru has the clout to get some strong collabs that do very well and Met and Uge get some decent numbers at times, but nobody else is really at the level of the bigger VSPOs right now.

>>8900614
>still believed sc is chuubas main source income
I don't. She has the highest views with her ASMR streams. She personally makes a ton of money selling her ASMR content. And she also has the highest subs in 774.

>>8900422
It sounds tough compared to what other can vtubers make. But in reality its probably better than a part time job.
You can maybe get 10-12 Postcards out in an hour. After postage and maybe a management fee I'm sure she was making well above minimum wage while still helping grow her channel.
Speaking of part times both Sumire and Toto had part time jobs. At the time only Ichinose could make a living off streaming.

>>8900363
Always love to see hardwork pays.
I think this really shows how important unity is. Through these tournaments that held back to back, all of the participants especially the not well-known ones are gaining exposure they need to get things going for them.
I pray them inclined more in the future so pro gaming agency/group like this can emerged more for different games (hopefully there'll one that specialized on fighting games)

>>8900773
I think it was Beni, Lisa and Hinano the other day discussing Lawson uniform policies. Because they had all had to work part time in the past.

>>8900796
>(hopefully there'll one that specialized on fighting games)
Fighting games are a bit difficult because tourneys generally happen face to face.

Selen has 1k reading sc. Petra, don't look.

>>8900649
This guy exaggerates but that's basically true, unlike ID which already has their own thriving vtuber community before hololive, the EN community is almost exclusively of cloutchasers who jumped on the bandwagon after seeing Hololive's success and then got increasingly sour grapes after seeing themselves struggle to get past 2 digit views while Hololive enjoys 4-5 digit viewers without trying.

>>8900649
>Veibae stunts burn any bridge Coco tried to erect to lift the little guys up
This really was a shame. Vshoujo and Holo combine can really push the market further than where it is rn. I bet even the Mythgirls got turn off with that comment.

Welp. I guess untill we have the new Heavenly King of EN that can bring about new audiences like holo did, we are still away from breaking into the mainstream. Unless HoloEN decide to do a UStour.

Gotta have to kneel to Shion here. Strong performance, 4 hours long Micra stream without ever dropping from 10k
I wonder if she's benefiting from Gura visist and kokuhaku

>>8901169
>already has their own thriving vtuber community before hololive
I think this is an important point. Guess it really is depend on hololive as the pinoneer and the market leader to lead the rest of EN

>>8901565
>permanent cunny buff

>>8901169
>This guy exaggerates
I'm not, if much I'm omitting a whole lot of details that would make this even worse.

>>8901207
>Vshoujo and Holo combine can really push the market further than where it is
Sadly the rotten apples on VShojo undid everything Coco (and to a certain extent, the previous incarnation of the shark) set up

>1,2k
This is higher than even what Rosemi gets for her gaming streams. Why is Selen so much more successful than everyone else? Imagine her NUMBERS if she was in hololive.

>>8901642
I mispoke, what I mean is you overstate the impact of the veibae incident and understate the inherent risk in dealing with a bunch of cloutchasers who are only there because they saw Hololive be successful and want a piece of the pie themselves.

>>8901790
>>8901642
She was probably just jealous cause holoEN rejected her.

Someone explain the massive sub buff deference between IRyS and council to me.

>>8901790
>you overstate the impact of the veibae incident
I didn't too. The only reason any collab with VShojo happened was because the sheer weight of Calli opinion on how EN things should be handled.
Even Kiara wouldn't be able to pull it off (and she tried her hardest) and Gura 100% was not onboard with any of that.

Nips are a grudgy bunch of fellows and EN management 100% deferred to Calli good judgement on that, if for no other reason, to release the pressure of the audience claiming for a collab with them.

>>8901991
YouTube AI targeted Gen2

>>8901991
>Someone explain the massive sub buff deference between IRyS and council to me.
Most "debut buff" subs will happen in the 2 days prior the debut and 5 days after.

Youtube cut 60k subs (min) from each girt before debut and another 60k after debut. That was enough to kill their momentum and the only council to even beat their pre cut numbers so far is ClockGirl

>>8901991
Susan murdered their sub growth in the most importat period, the beginning, where you get a ton of debut hype subs.

I'm sure this has been asked a million times now, but what in the world happened to EN2? Can their numbers struggles REALLY be entirely attributed solely to Youtube culling subs?

>>8902197
>>8902294
Can the nigger even overtake Selen or Elira at this point or is it over for her?

>>8902394
Susan cut about 200k subs total from each of them, yeah

>>8902402
Selen picked up 7k subs this week, Sana picked 4k today. 6k subs separate them, do the math.

>>8902402
dont underestimate the power of reddit

>>8902402
Her growth is still far higher than any nijiEn so yes, even Sana will overtake them soon enough.

I think YouTube intentionally slowing their growth somewhat hurts future growth, not just by people thinking twice after seeing decreased subs, but by higher subs and growth creating more hype that leads to more growth. They are really fighting for everything they get.

The scary thing is we don’t know what other measures the AI took that we aren’t seeing on our end.

>>8902394
That's obviously a big part, but there's also a reduced interest in EN tubers from COVID restrictions in North America getting better, and Cover bungling the hype from those countdowns that led to nothing

>>8902394
>numbers struggles
Which number struggle?

>>8902573
>hurts future growth
Future growth in which measure? EN2 brought to HoloEN something they didn't have for the longest time: 50k people watching their streams at a single moment in time

>>8902509
>>8902554
Assuming they don't get cut again. She will drop to 1k a day like the rest of the holos soon enough.

>>8902669
>She will drop to 1k a day like the rest of the holos soon enough.
True, but not before overtaking the rest of NijiEN

>>8902717
ASSUMING they don't get cut again lol.

>>8902649
>Future growth in which measure?
Meaning if the AI didn’t slow their launch growth, it could generate more hype than currently which itself leads to further growth. Ultimately that would reflect on both subs and live views. I’m saying part of the success of Holo is the hype machine.

>>8902802
>I’m saying part of the success of Holo is the hype machine.
Unless you are comparing Hololive with Hololive 2020 there is not a single agency, company or streamer that generated more hype of got better numbers than HoloCouncil right now.

More than that: Holocouncil generated so much hype it trickled down and buffed even HoloMyth, with Gura, Ina and Amelia getting numbers they were not getting one week prior that debut.
Mission accomplished?

>>8902932
>Unless you are comparing Hololive with Hololive 2020 there is not a single agency, company or streamer that generated more hype of got better numbers than HoloCouncil right now.
That doesn’t address anything I said.

>>8903009
Tall order to fill considering "you" and "me" have a very muddy meaning in a site and board that does not really keep track of posters.
I can try tho: the hype machine provided by Hololive turned 4 otherwise anonymous streamers (whose past live is deliberately obfuscated and hidden) into 200k subs 10k guaranteed live viewers in 10 days time.

That truly doesn't look deficient in any way, unless of course you are comparing it with Hololive 2020 that could do likewise but into 300k subs instead.

>>8903121
I should have explained it better. I said they “could generate more hype than currently”, which doesn’t mean they didn’t do very well. They did. I’m just annoyed with YouTube.

>>8903009
In short, yes, absolutely, bigger numbers and hype lead to bigger numbers and the subs cut lead to visibly faster drop in hype than usual.
By how much? No real way to calculate, this is the first time this has happened.
At least comparing to Niji Eden gang, who had a longer hype watch period at ~3 weeks, while Council seems to be entering a normal growth period already, driven by their and Myth's streams as opposed to jut debut hype. But it's very likely still to early to call that. We'll see.

>>8903263
>I said they “could generate more hype than currently”
Then you and I are in agreement. Out of all that happened tho the one thing I am the gladest is the fact that Gura found a renewed motivation to do better.
She was clearly showing signs of boredom and demotivation, but with the new generation potentially "biting at her ankles" she clearly started doing more and doing better

>>8902788
Nigga even sleen is still slowing down. Like most of Nijien they will end wioth 500 subs a day. She will follow the same trend as Elira and pomu

>>8903276
>In short, yes, absolutely, bigger numbers and hype lead to bigger numbers and the subs cut lead to visibly faster drop in hype than usual.
>By how much? No real way to calculate.
Yeah, who knows. Was just pointing it out.

>>8903276
>>8903263

People see the numbers
>1,3,5
And get disappointed when the next number is not 7.
Holocouncil is doing great.

>>8901647
she's much more sociable and high energy than everyone else in niji en and also she gets the apex audience buff where people check her out more because of apex and then start watching her regularly

>>8899970
>VSPO
Great, another non-hololive group I'm going to have to become an anti of.

>pic related
These are the only two streams tracked by piyo going on right now

The current time is
>5:37 AM in Japan
>10:37PM in France, Berlin and most of EU
>4:37PM in the East Coast of the US
>1:37PM in the West Coast of the US

Any entrepreneurial streamer could make A KILLING by creating a variety show in this slot, similar to what Coco did to Reddit Meme Review or AsaCoco.
God, I wish I was not an introverted retard posting in a Cantonese anime catgirls forum so I could commission an avatar, run the numbers and dominate the charts with strategical placement of streams

Well, I also wish I was a catgirl but in a completely "no homo" heterosexual way, if that's even possible.

>>8901647
>Imagine her NUMBERS if she was in hololive.
About the same as Okayu, at VERY BEST, or around Roboco if her only attribute would be "being a passable APEX player"

>>8903590
>passable APEX player
stop now the selen brigade will show up to tell you selen is totally the best predator rank apex player ever and nobody else who streams apex is interesting except her

>>8903530
Reminder that this is Ina's usual slot. I have no idea if it was intentional but she certainly gets great (and consistent) numbers by streaming into what are almost always dead hours.

>>8903530
Wow, I've never seen only 2 streams active before.
Even among the small streamers i follow, only Yuria from Virtuality is active.
Slow Sunday.

>>8903590
She's also great in collabs and bullies everyone.

>>8903590
>or around Roboco
She's higher than her in both VOD views and average CCV...

>>8903688
>selen brigade will show up to tell you selen is totally the best predator rank apex player ever
That, ironically, is a HUGE debuff on Hololive. If you look at Roboco or Choco audiences they prefer when they are struggling and advancing "against all odds" in a field that is stacked against then.

Contrast and compare with Aqua and Matsuri whose APEX audience FUCKING LOATH whenever they perform below their stated potential and SEETHE at any setback without ever giving them any praise for performing at the level they are supposed to.
There is a reason Botan won't touch the stuff, the second Botan says
>I'm playing for realz
anything below "BEST OF EVERY VTUBER, QUEEN OF GAMERS, 5 SIGMA ABOVE ANY OTHER ADVERSARY" will be held against her as a scarlet letter.

I assume Selen is smart and already said she won't be doing any competitive gaming on Niji either because God help her if she tries

>>8903822
>She's higher than her in both VOD views and average CCV...
I meant if she was on Holo. She's currently a big fish in a small pond

>Green Lamy playing Pokemon in 5 minutes time, no competition for the slot
PREDICTIONS?

I say she won't cross 20k given the slot and the date (Sunday). 12k at best

Better numbers on Twitch at this hour even.

>>8904090
>LIRIK
>Vtuber
Since when?

>>8904073
The time slot is ideal for murica, its Sunday and even the NEETest of the NEETs are up by now, 20k is possible

>>8904154
When their dicks got slit

>>8904073
Somewhere around 15k

>>8904163
I don't think PokU will click, probably 10k at best

>>8904154
I tried to find out too.
Apparently he's doing a menhera stream of just running and hitting people with a shopping cart in some game.
He tagged the stream ADHD, Depression, Vtuber and like 50 other unrelated tags.

>>8904073
7K waiting so i will go with 12k-15k

>NijiEN manger suggested Roblox because it's a popular game
>Niji girls said no, because bullying children isn't based
>Had to explain to the CEO why it's a bad idea

>>8904427
>Niji girls said no, because bullying children isn't based
KEK, I can see Miko doing it unironically.

>>8904427
Cool story anon. Absolutely on topic of this thread.

Why is Marine the best vtuber in the world?

>>8903454
They've been around since 2018.

About GreenLamy Pokemon United stream today, here is from her description
>This livestream is conducted as part of a niconico live broadcast promotion organised by DWANGO Co., Ltd.
Green Lamy mentioned it on stream, anyone knows WTF does that mean?

>>8904491
There were conversations a few times about how NijiEN managers are number chasing, even if they don't necessarily understand the numbers, or why a game is popular.
I see what you mean, should have prefaced that it was connected to that, because it just looks like an unrelated anecdote like this.

>>8904154
"Camless vtuber" - himself 2021

>>8904671
Is this something one of the girls said on record or you pieced the information from other sources?

>>8904671
I also see that you mean, but come on anons, this is a serious thread, we talk about serious matter - number, we need to be at least a bit mature.

>>8904716
Right now, Selene on stream and Pomu backed it up.

>>8904637
The Pokemon Company won't give out permissions to just play their games, so they snuck in the back door by participating in an NND shill campaign for it, which came with (temporary) permissions. Not the first time this has happened.

>>8904780
But anon, this is what looking just at numbers does. Don't follow the management route, you need to also watch streams to understand the numbers, not just the numbers pages.

>>8904814
They do actually, Nijisanji gets them just fine, it's just cover that can't secure them for whatever reason.

>>8904637
wtf Fauna used to play Dota 2, rly didnt expect that

>>8904860
True, but this whole story is grossly exaggerated. Basically management was just suggesting to consider playing hype games, which is most certainly a clever thought. I don't think it's management fault that they're not familiar with all games out there.

>>8904912
>China
>losing prime market
Thats what developers are scared of. It's just a norm at this point

>>8904912
>They do actually, Nijisanji gets them just fine, it's just cover that can't secure them for whatever reason.
I just checked Nintendo permissions guideline (EOP need not apply, link at https://www.nintendo.co.jp/networkservice_guideline/ja/index.html)) and both Anicolor and Cover streamers are exempt of "company" permissions and can use the "individual" blanket permissions for all things Nintendo.
>pic related
Proof to that is that Ollie streamed the same game under regular permission instead of this "loophole"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZl7Ybm0P7o

Maybe HoloEN is for some reason not encompassed on the same license but that would be silly as the blanket license is for Cover all things and not just Hololive.

>>8905399
The pokemon company is a separate entity from nintendo so technically speaking nintendo permissions don't apply to pokemon games. It's only technically though, so maybe nijisanji is using the nintendo permissions to apply to pokemon games and cover is too cautious to use the same loophole

>>8905526
most people are way too new to know about the holocaust. it's in Cover's best interest to be safe than sorry

>>8905526
>and cover is too cautious to use the same loophole
The thing is, it is not "Cover" because Ollie streamed it on the regular license and Ayame likewise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtHoQ71M9ok
and so did Holostars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-4ilR1pdDs

Only HoloEN girls are hiding behind this "loophole", which seems to indicate it is more of a regional thing than a company thing

>>8905698
See >>8905736, if it had anything to do with the holocaust Ollie, Ayame and the Holostars wouldn't have played it without issues in the past few weeks while Amelia and Fauna had to hide behind "NND" shill stuff

>>8905780
I think EN and ID's restriction is different than JP's. I mentioned holocaust to explain why Cover always plays it safe.

>>8905853
I agree for EN

>>8897313
whats the website that tells you how "healthy" the channel is based on number of subs to view ratio?

>>8905736
Read the description. They get temporary permission granted by DWANGO Co., Ltd as part of new launch hype. For example, they don't have Pokemon Snap permissions anymore.

>>8900005
A japanese company doing a 50/50 split? There's no way of that being true, my bet is something between 15-25% for the creator

ENTER

This nigga is absolutely on fire this month. Getting 20k doing a solo stream. The holothots are facing some tough competition. Soon they'll drop the 'no males' rule to leech off Nijichads again.

>>8906653
Wow, that's a nice graph. Would be also cool to do a single line approximation of this graph, so we would see a tendency of their viewership.

>>8900408
>4 Heavenly King
I only know Kuzuha is one of them, who are the others?

>>8907036
You're right, I missed it in the tail end of Ayame description

>>8907173
Well, there are a couple of things to add:
1. This is an August only thing for Fuwa, so he'll stop in a couple of days.
2. That's not really a solo streams - he always has some guests.

>>8907277
Hal. By the way, kneel, everyone!

>>8907173
Anon this show is ending in two days. Look at his actual true solo stream numbers.
I will congratulate him for always achieving at least above 14k at 0630 in JST. Impressive. He even got other Nijis to wake up and some Smash Bros pro he's friends with.
>>8907358
He was solo today. However when people attend you don't know who is showing up.

>>8907358
>>8907404
Everyone who visits these threads often knows about Fuwa's morning stretch show, he's been doing it for 29 days now afterall.
Good for him, but please ignore the bait.

>>8907277
Unless you mean who the modern versions would be,
anon there was refering to the original tops of the vtuber world back in 2017
Kizuna AI, Kaguya Luna, Mirai Akari and Nekomiya Hinata,.

>>8907404
Got timezones mixed up, tomorrow is the final day.

>>8906686
Playboard

Looks like Fauna won't reach predicted 12k.
What about Ame?

>>8907536
Nah, take a chance to discuss it. Final episode predictions?

>>8907358
He used it to grow overall though,
I remember he was a popular Niji to begin with, but 9-14k average for solo streams wasn't that common.
https://piyo.chats.ninja/streamer/TyHatGuC

>>8906653
There's any way of smoothing those peaks?

>Talking about unity and crowning some fake kings
Doesn't know this exist https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aSw-xKUobbA

>>8907277
Ai and the 4 kings of today?

Oyabun - Sakura Miko
4 Heavenly Kings - Flare, Polka, Kanata, Watame

>>8907358
>>8907404
His regular numbers are still amazing. Always 10k+ (except for that collab where the KING siphoned some of the viewers to himself0.

just noticed selene went from 1.3k to 900
just show how the overlap of fanabses
>>8907625
supa sunday is pretty much sc reading so it is alwasy 2k-4k

>>8907537
Oh and, Shiro.
Dennou Shoujo Youtuber Siro

>>8907627
It's fine to discuss it, but that tribalfaggot was definitely trying to start shit.

>Final episode predictions?
30k+ like his first few episodes. Potentially even higher if he gets more guests for a big finale ep.

>>8907277
>I only know Kuzuha is one of them, who are the others
>>8907537
>Unless you mean who the modern versions would be
Kuzuha, Hal, Pekora, Gura.

Anyone saying otherwise would have to be plain with numbers because each of these tops their respective categories
>most subs
>most male hours watched
>most female hours watches
>most indie hours watched

>>8907682
>just show how the overlap of fanabses
The strangest thing is that this drop happened in a middle of Fauna's stream, so it's not because of her. Could that be Ame or just YT fucking up again?

>>8907675
By which metric? None numeric, I assume

>>8907765
There's no "modern" 4 heavenly kings anymore because there's too many people at the top.
Stop trying to make cringe titles that 10 anons use in these threads a thing.

>>8907537
Hinata wasn't a part of that group.

Kizuna Ai as the boss
Kaguya Luna, Mirai Akari, Siro, and Noja Loli as the 4 heavenly kings

>>8907822
Watch streams. That is her Holy Demon Army group in which she is the demon lord and those 4 are her servants.

>>8907765
Hal only raised to that level this summer really. Is it faire to include him?
He always had good numbers, but not at this level.
Kanae has had a better average for the last few years and he usually even has longer stream hours than Kuzuha.
On the other side Marine or Miko for average viewers and watch hours are 2nd to Pekora.

>>8907807
she dropped from 1.3 to 1.1 when fauna started. Another 200 as Ame was getting closer

>>8907765
Heavenly King title is for pioneers and the first biggest in the industry. Until any of those 4 do anything other than snag big numbers they'll never be kings but you can roleplay in here all you want, sometimes it's funny

>>8907955
>That is her Holy Demon Army
It has nothing to do with the subject: if you don’t know what “The four Heavenly Kings” were you need to lurk moar

>>8907961
>Hal only raised to that level this summer really. Is it faire to include h
He could stop streaming for the rest of the year and no indie would beat his 2021 hours watched

>Kanae has had a better average for the last few years and he usually even has longer stream hours than Kuzuha.
Kuzuha could stop streaming until 2023 and Kanae would not catch up to him in either subs, hours wasted or VOD views.

As for Gura l, she could stop streaming until 2025 and no vtuber would catch up to her sub count by a million subs diff.
Actually she would likely grow the gap from the second place even without streaming.

There are no contender to each of these four I mentioned, Kuzuhs, Pekora, Hal and Gura are so far ahead of the field they have no competition except their past record.

>>8908049
I agree that that honorific belongs to them for the same reason there is no such thing as the “7 wonders of the world” other than the original ones.

Calling Hal “Emperor”, Ibrahim “Sultan” and Kuzuha King is funny tho.

>>8907677
Fuwa's regular streams are on fire right now because he's spamming horror kusoges/kusoges in general which are buff games for all JP vtubers.

When he's playing Apex, his most streamed game, he gets like 5-7k. I don't want to link his Vsaikyou scrim numbers since he was overlapping with a shitton of people for those streams, so we'll have to wait for him to play Apex again to see if he actually inclined from his morning program.

12k for Inside is impressive tho. The only Holo examples I know that have played it are Gura (21k) and Flare (7.7k)

>>8907955
Cool I watch Miko's minecraft streams too, but wtf does that have to do with numbers?

>>8908291
Lost egg isn't a horror game. Plus, he got 11k on Night Way Home which wasn't really a buff for anyone in hololive.

>>8908356
There are five (5) members in that group

>>8908398
Yes but it's a kusoge.

>Re:Act streamers
They were bigger than this in the oastC weren’t they? WTF happened?

>>8908398
>Lost egg isn't a horror game.
>kusoges in general
Jap audiences love these games for some reason

>Night Way Home
Fair enough.
Fubuki got 12k playing it.
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/ZkDmBCzF6iA

Lamy got 6.8k
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/R2LuOQF_dIs

Okayu got 8.3k
https://holo.poi.cat/stream/gOOWnzTIrTQ

>>8904427
>bullying children isn't based
kuzuha channel...

>>8897428
>2351 :: astel ch.アステル (Holostars)
Impressive.

>>8909014
Kuzuha doesn't just bully kids in Pokemon Unite, he 5-mans with his bros and voice chat to shit on kids for 9 hours LMFAO

>>8908710
A bit higher than normal for Fubuki
Debuff, Lamy gets more playing Minecraft
Regular Okayu numbers

Overall it's not a buff game in the slightest. And it seems people dropped out of Fubuki's stream unlike Fuwa's, where he maintained them all the way through: https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/DhFEqlAqwfU

>>8909176
It's not a buff game but if you turn it into a zatsudan people have less of a reason to leave

>>8909176
>Debuff, Lamy gets more playing Minecraft
I think that's actually around Lamy's numbers when she overlaps with a bunch of JPs. Her minecraft streams are actually her buff streams, like for most Holos.

>Overall it's not a buff game in the slightest.
I wouldn't go as far as to say that, it's a buff game for some and not for others. It's one of the shittiest Chilla's art games afterall.

>>8909176
Fuwa's stream was 1:40 long and he ended after the credits.

Fubuki's stream was 3 hrs long because she kept playing after the credits for some reason.
She was between 10-12k for the first playthrough and only dropped significantly after the credits.

>>8903739
>but she certainly gets great (and consistent) numbers by streaming into what are almost always dead hours.
No she doesn't, just like literally everyone her numbers depend heavily on her games

>>8907631
Can do rolling averages.

>>8910488
What about using a log scale?

>>8910488
Longer average

So this is the power of Eddy... only 9k with debut buff and zero people overlapping with her (no Ame reading sc doesn't count).

>>8910488
Thanks anon that's better, the problem was the outfit reveal peak making the graph too narrow on the bottom

It's sad to see how much the CCV has dropped but at least they seem stable now
I know that Vtubers will die soon but I hope that they last at least more 2 years

>>8911241
Eddy?

>>8911241
she lost 1k after ame started so not sure what is up with you

>>8911454
Correction, EN tubers will die

How long until HoloEN Gen2 gets memberships and SC?

>>8911241
Anon, why do you comment without reading the thread?
Peaked at 11,366, but she's been streaming for almost 3 hours and people found out Pokemon Unite was a shit game a month ago.
Surprised this many people showed up for it.

>>8911668
Most likely next week. Just a few more days should be left.

>>8911995
>shit game
What a cope. Kuzuha got 27k playing it. This bitch will be below 4k viewers once her debut buff wears off.

top vtubers median 8/1 - 8/29 (number of streams) - July median
>Kuzuha 36,546 (21) - 21,982
>Marine 31,552 (12) - 32,848
>Pekora 28,346 (34) - 30,392
>Gura 18,558 (18) - 21,695

>>8912094
>>8911668
i wonder if they are all just waiting on confrimation for 5 of them to get enabled it.
i thin mummei might be the one still lacking behind. Since she has only 3 streams on her channel

>>8911454

>>8912220
im impressed pekora is that high with her Shin chan streams draggin her down.

>>8912301
I actually think it looks nicer this way

>>8912162
> Kuzuha got 27k playing it
Back when it was still the news of town
Now people realized the game is shit and they do not care...like Kuzuha who went back to Apex the next day.
Stop tribalfagging ed, once she settles (AkA membership open) the sex sessions will drastically reduce on your schedule.

>>8912241
If we don’t see it for a while, then it’s simply more YouTube BS for Gen2.

>>8912162
Kuzuha's pokemon unite streams are collabs with 4 of his Nijibros and you're fucking retarded if you think the audience interested in watching 5 dudes in voicechat dunk on kids in a MOBA is the same size as the audience wanting to watch girls suck at a game.

Just a couple of days until we get the monthly charts and this thread can actually discuss something meaningful for a bit

>>8912162
Kuzuha is not the norm.

>>8912503
They had split POVs. Again, massive cope. Pekora also got 27k on it.

Edengumi debut buff numbers
>debut date July 22nd, July 22 - 30
>median (number of streams)

>Leos 25,537 (10)
>Lauren 21,218 (9)
>Lain 18,302 (9)
>Axia 13,586 (11)
>Oliver 9,043 (8)

Holocouncil debut buff numbers
>debut date August 23nd, August 23 - 29
>median (number of streams)

>Kronii 35,035 (6)
>Mumei 27,382 (3)
>Fauna 22,043 (5)
>Baelz 19,228 (7)
>Sana 9,848 (5)

why are they so lazy bros... especially that owl

>>8912220
>Kuzuha 36,546 (21) - 21,982
One of the best months I've ever seen for a vtuber. He probably didn't plan it for the numbers, but the buffstacking week after week was insane. Felt like there were more special streams than normal streams for him this month.

>Marine 31,552 (12) - 32,848
Marine also buffed to absurd levels these past 2 months, but her 2 latest streams were "only" ~20k which dragged her median down somehow.

>Pekora 28,346 (34) - 30,392
Honestly felt like Pekora's August was pretty weak, so 28k is higher than I expected.

>Gura 18,558 (18) - 21,695
On the bright side, she's done with DMC3 so that's one <15k game she won't go back to.

>>8912706
How is it a cope to say that there's a different demographic? If a new girl is playing it and she's bad at it, no fucking shit will Kuzuha and co. spamming ranked games and being toxic will get more viewers. He was racing a ton of other vtubers as well like Fairyschan in ranked. AND it was during the game being new.
>>8912755
Edengumi also had the benefit of being fresh in Nijifans minds from that show with Maimoto and Chigusa, Nijiquiz, and Nijinoon.

>>8912869
Ok, so what's your cope about Pekora getting 27k too? It's not a debuff game no matter how hard you try to make it seem like it is.

>>8912827
>Honestly felt like Pekora's August was pretty weak, so 28k is higher than I expected.
Weak month for sure. Last month she had 48 streams while maintaining 30k median views.

>>8912706
Split POV doesn't matter retard, Kuzuha gets that when he collabs in Apex which is also split POV. If they weren't split, Kuzuha would've gotten 40k+ for a collab. People weren't watching for the game, they were watching for the 5 guys shooting the shit while dunking on kids.

> Pekora also got 27k on it.
And she dropped the game after one stream cuz it sucked ass.

>>8912827
>On the bright side, she's done with DMC3 so that's one <15k game she won't go back to.
She's going to play DMC4 next, and maybe finish Metroid.

>>8912958
Never said it was a debuff game. People like to watch Pekora play new things.

I noticed before that people talked about Nux as an example of a successful EN male VTuber, but when you see his YouTube videos, he grows his fanbase off people who are primarily interested in female VTubers.

>>8913346
Nux is a leech as much as any other dramatuber.

>>8913346
Nux's content is leeching off Twitch thots and people who watch Pokimane fart compilations, he shouldn't be lauded as any success

>>8913346
It was me. I meant it as a joke.

cumbuds explain???

>>8914050
There hasn't been a multimonth gap between rhythm game streams this time.

>>8914050
14k vs 17k at same time frame.
give it another 30min.
But weekdays are usually week for en specially after america stateted oeping up

>>8903949
That's less of a hololive thing and more because they're women, anon. Gamerfags hold girls to a higher standard if they're remotely any good and shit on them constantly if they can't beat the top of male players.

>>8914050
She isn't motivated and will be a short stream. 100% she still sick and recovering. And. She said herself today doesn't want to read SC SO SHE TURN OFF.
She should rest today until Tuesday

>>8914149
ill add that this is also an uneschdueld stream put 1hr and a half before stream.

>>8914361
>ill add that this is also an uneschdueld stream put 1hr and a half before stream.
It is scheduled though, or more accurately rescheduled on twitter to today because she had to cancel when sick

>>8914149
I always thought it was interesting how EN does worse on the weekends. I figured the crowd that watches vtubers aren't the type to go out during the weekends.

>>8914437
I didn't 't received the youtube notification for today

If it were not for Ame’s morning stream, it would just look like a bad day for EN in general. Pic related.

>>8914149
but its Sunday right now. The last project diva was on Sunday 8/15 too

>>8914475
is not exlcuive to vtubers but youtube in geenral.
Still her last Mikku stream was also on sunday, however she set that one up 4hrs before. So i think it has to do with that rather since most people wont dont use tweeter for notifications for a stream.

>>8914475
I don't watch EN, but I usually watch vtubers during the working day (EU time). The weekend is a break for me, from both vtubers and work.

Looks like the buff Gura got from EN2 was pretty short lived.

>>8914586
Good numbers for Fauna playing that shitty game this long after release.

Pitiful numbers for Tower.

>>8914586
For SC
Ame: 708(AM) + 1028(SuperSunday) $
Gura: off
Fauna: not enabled yet
Kiara: 3222$

>>8914936
If it's not a karaoke stream I'm not watching her.

>>8914888
I thought of that possibility, but it’s too early to tell right now. I’m the one who first predicted that Gura would get some sort of buff from Gen2 drawing interest back to Hololive, but I have no idea how long that was supposed to last. Could be for good, or might be temporary.

>>8914651
Gura had most of this week stream set like 3-4 hrs before time. So that help her get more viewers informed.
>>8914936
thats typical HK for towa

>>8914916
Copium

>>8914651
Gura is #3 worldwide on YouTube gaming

>>8915434
Why show us non-VTubers?

>>8914050
>Views
27k ccv 3 months ago vs 22k peak

>>8915434
3rd place is just a loser with extra steps

>>8913346
Literally who

>>8915434
im pretty sure the trending page does jack shit

>>8914940
I've heard from some Greenbeats that Mori got a lot of superchats during today's members only stream

Ah I love this sight

>>8915434
Based Valk. Show that midget shark who's boss.

Today's superchats

>>8915434
Since when does that show vtubers?

>>8915726
I mean that's a given with Mori and Kiara member streams.
But it's not public so not worth talking about

>>8915763
This is the 2nd time Oliver is on here for his 1 month anniversary.

>>8915763
Olive did a slitherio challenge
auran 3d
kanata karaoke
??
Lamy asmr
Gura Dmc?
Kiara Gook stream
Astel karaoke
???
Aqua nier??
Shion MC
Kson chat

>>8915745
Too many thots in that ranking. I really hope our KING changes this.

>>8915826
it has always do for Westerns as long as it correcty categorized
Also gura does bring a point,she is limited to the number of songs she can do. So multiple streams of this cant have good numbers.

>>8915434
Ah Valkyrae, Sykkuno's real girlfriend. Imagine a stream without her bf

You can't, because there's none

>>8915501
To make clear she isn't doing bad with 14k at this moment
She is #3 on gaming and #29 on general

>>8916003
Yeah we need diversity, someone need to represent the gays

>>8915745
>kizuna has been stuck at 2.98M since gura hit 3M
jesas

>>8915948
Furen did an aftertalk for her 3D debut
#9 (Nenemaru) is a small indie who did a new outfit reveal

>>8916215
Cocomelon is stealing her audience

>>8915763
>Gura
>6th
3.28 mil subs and can't even beat a retarded Male with only 3% of her subs rumao.

>>8916215
>To make clear she isn't doing bad with 14k at this moment
No one is saying 14k is bad in general, and I was only trying to determine if she lost the gen2 buff. Also comparing Gura to non-VTubers to prove 14k is relatively good, makes no sense for this thread.

>>8916330
She's fine. She just hit the ceiling, her community is still active.

>>8916544
No, you don't understand. If Cocomelon wasn't overlapping with her all the time she would get at least 30k+ every stream.

>>8916544
No? This is the numbers thread - Gura has small numbers, therefore she ia doing poorly. Simple as.

>>8916544
It's a feast, their hunger are being fed. They almost died.

>>8916877
her rimworld vod having 600k baffeles me.

>>8917024
Viewbots

>>8898195
VSPO is something I would've wanted Hololive to make to pander to the FPS fags

>>8916496
Well obviously overall Gura curbstomps Aru-papa on superchats, but that's the beauty of the daily superchat chart, unlike the views chart where 98% of the time it's the same tubers every day, with enough schizos ready to donate their life savings anyone can beat anyone on one particular day. Today's number 9 has 17k subs and she got more than Rushia.

We are all bots, Elon Musk is now building our physical form

>>8916638
>Gura has small numbers
not him NTA but
>Gura MC(buff game) - 24k
>Gura Rimworld/Project Diva -15k
>Gura DMC3 (super debuff) - 12k(average)
basiclly on Sunday/Monday gura with no competition has numbers of debuff game(Rimworld) she played during crowded time slot in the midle of this week.
even if we concider Project Diva as debuff game this is anyway recognizable decline

>>8899281
Which is the better paying country, KR or ES?

>>8917481
>KR
i bet they ve got more money

>>8917417
> this is anyway recognizable decline
that is hard form a trend.
You might say she was reclining wiwth her comes nico and carzy taxi and next stream hit 20k in MC easily.
As said above this is the second week astream of a game where she can only try the same 10 songs. it is similar to the situation of MH rise which started as a buff but is not suitable to only 1 stream a week.

>>8917481
I feel like I see more Won SCs these days than any from LatAm currencies, not even considering the worthlessness of that money

>>8917631
>>8917481
you dont need to open a whole branch for a new audience. Just make your content acceisble to most viewers. AKA less extreme japanese shows and more simple comedy and easily understandable jokes.

>>8917159
But then they would have to be idols.
One of the main appeals of VSpo is that they interact with the pros and semi-pro esports orgs, which are majority male. So you get something that is almost unique to vtubing, which is the fabled teetee between boys and girls. Nijisanji has this too, but not nearly as frequently. OreApo is the standout example of this (Hinano and Kamito, ex-pro vtuber (who says he isn't a vtuber)).
Most of the girls are great comedians - Nazuna, Beni, Hinano, Lisa, and Sumire in particular. This leads to great banter. It's rare to have dead air, even when they are grouped with people they have never met before.
The nature of what they do means they all have to interact with loads of different people all the time. So things never get stale. One day Beni is doing scrims with someone from CR and a minecraft streamer, the next she's playing battlefield with people from a dozen different orgs.

This just couldn't happen in Hololive as it is - they would have to be a separate branch with different rules.

>>8917761
So we should shut down Holo EN? Sounds based to me

>>8917417
>CCV metric

>>8917637
>that is hard form a trend.
i ll disagree, anon.
at this point ppl here pretty much know Gura's numbers. we know there are 12-15k people who will watch Gura no matter what. (her core audience)
we can use "end of the summer" as the argument but this is still weekends in the US.
i would not call it "small" number, but as i said number she would get for debuff game. this makes you think.

Some decent numbers for NijiEN for a change. They are finally learning how to box push the two respective midgets of their branches.

>>8917949
CCV is the best metric because chumshitters tend to cheat the VOD system

>>8918040
you still ignore the comparision of MHrise.
she is doing the same song as always so this game isnt fit for weekly runs.

>>8918043
isn't that a collab with ALL OF niji en?

>>8918088
You can cheat it too anon, come on don't be shy

>>8917761
>Just make your content acceisble to most viewers.
anon we are talking about vtubers. Yagoo does not control them as much as you think.
they could add subs to hologra and some other wideos, But thiis is it.
every single streammer disaded be herself how open she wants to be to new audience.
example:
>Kiara stream by her own volition
the only thing wich REALLY help foreigners is clips.(just like it was with EOP). and Hololive got some popularity in KR because of them, But i doubt they will hire any clipmaker, since they already have endless amount of free "slaves".
+Korean/ES are not the most popular languages in the world

>>8918088
Cope

>>8918088
I still remember the Mario Kart collab, with Ina constantly mogging Gura in CCV, and in the end Gura VOD's numbers almost quadruplicated Ina's views.

>VSPO inclining
are they actually growing the market? Makes you think if NIji/Holo will be affected when they inclined much more

>>8918398
>ES are not the most popular languages in the world
There are more native speakers of Spanish than English. It's 2nd after Mandarin (EN is 3rd).

>>8918398
So you hate it that Holo is becoming popular in KR, you decided to call the clippers slaves? You don't have to seethe that much anon

They definitely do better than you when it comes to spreading chuubas, not feasting on negative numbers

>>8918265
Yeah. Combined they have as much as Selen at her peak when she first started playing Apex.

>>8918398
>the only thing wich REALLY help foreigners is clips.
making a clip doesnt help if the content itself doesnt appeal to a wide audience. Reason why ame and gura are loved there is becasue their content and personalities.
Clips are a tool of marketing but the prodcut is the most important thing at the end and that prodcut must have a worldwide appeal if they want hololive popularity

>>8918213
>ignore the comparision of MHrise.
>"even if we concider Project Diva as debuff game"
no i didnt.

>>8917481
Not gonna answer faggot, you a nigger from niji office? do your research, pay people, like those clippers

>>8918553
why is gaku doing a 90k celebration stream when he now has 163k lmfao

>>8917854
>teetee between boys and girls
That shit doesn't make money and people who only watch hetero teetee to self insert aren't gonna be a long time fans. They're even worse than tourist since they don't even watch vtuber for entertainment.
Hololive become the biggest vtuber company and all of their girls are successful because they don't do that hetero teetee shit. Nijisanji's top CCV and views earner like Kuzuha, Kanae, Kenmochi, Mito, Lize all have their main official gay pair so any hetero shipbait moment can be seen as irrelevant(because the only real serious relationship is with their gay partner), that's why they're successful, you can see this with Tomoe too so it's not only affect viewership but superchat too.

>>8918542
is this kind of a shitty bait?
ALL clippers are huge part of Cover's success and they basically working for them 7 days a week for "free". + Cover can ban them any second if they feel so.

>>8918828
>That shit doesn't make money and people who only watch hetero teetee to self insert aren't gonna be a long time fans.
You clearly don't know what you're talking about. This factor has been one of the main reasons why VSpo is inclining. No matter how you try to spin it, people like to watch people that feel like friends. Or even better, cute couples.

>>8918532
*sigh*
moving on

>>8918510
It wouldn't surprise me if they're getting FPS fans who never watched chuubas before

>>8918636
>making a clip doesnt help if the content itself doesnt appeal to a wide audience.
are you fucking kiding me?
the ONLY reason we are talking about holoKR is because of Ollie's KR clips went viral.
do your reps.

>>8918970
How would that surprise you considering they regularly interact with non vtuber FPSfags

>>8918862
No

Really wish there were some people overlapping with Gura so we could make fun of her even more for getting a shit number.

>>8918862
>free
Some of the mid to big Hololive clipper channels has monetization and someone here previously said that they earn a healthy amount every month which I forget rather than being hired by Cover themselves especially those that translates JP clips. It's much more sustainable in the long run and those who clips benefits from the experience.

>>8918970
They are. But also the broader audience of people who watch game streams but aren't necessarily vtuber enjoyers.

Take raddaa as an example. Mainly a minecraft pngtuber. But he plays with VSpo fairly frequently.

>>8918932
They'll incline in short term for doing that, yes, just like Gunkan and Ebimaru. Ebio used to get 10k+ doing literally anything after his ship blew up and look at him now. It happened to Niji and it'll happen to vspo too.

>>8917854
Anon, Cover could totally open another JP branch not marketed towards Idols

>>8898339
nice try hackerman

>>8919222
highlight views don't translate well into stream views.

>>8919338
But that's just one example. There are so many of them, most of them just great friendships. Some have been around for years, like Reid + Kanae + Met + Uruha.

>>8915826
>>8916054
Ohh, i see.
I wasn't seeing them either, but then again, i only checked during JP hours, of Canadian or US Youtube doesn't show JP streamers.

>>8919367
Anon, you only have look back a few months to prove yourself wrong. VSpo have 6-7x higher vod views than they did at the start of the year now.
Fuelled by the clip channels that are ever growing.
You can't deny that it works - it is exactly what got Hololive to where they are today.

>>8916215
Guys, how do we save Lofi Girl?
4 months ago, lofi hip hop radio - beats to relax/study to - used to average 40k live viewers.

>>8918088
>cheat the VOD system
Well, If that is how you want to cope. There's a way to cheat the CCV system too, just open the stream on multiple devices, that way one person can be count as 2, 5, or maybe more LMAO

>>8919631
what are you talking about Hololive always was popular! there is no correlation between clippers and Cover's success.
t. newfags

>>8919693
that's still shitton of sc, reminds me of that piano guy

>>8919770
don't cry sodapunk, you can go eat your dick

>>8919693
Gee, it's almost like people aren't trapped inside anymore in many parts of the US, one of the bigger markets .
>>8918088
Smells like COPE to me buddy
>>8919770
Kek. People who don't even do a modicum of research and then want to talk numbers are hilarious. VSpo is definitely doing everything right right now, and honest to gods? I hope we get a 3rd pillar in JP. Tired of the Hololive vs Niji shit day in and day out, and I say this as someone who's got memberships to multiple Holomem. It'd be nice to occasionally have Holo vs VSpo or Niji vs VSpo. Wouldn't that be something.

She lost them again... when will Cover stop botting? They must be botting the views too. Black company.

Just to illustrate the magnitude of VSpo clips with a point of reference.
Sushi is one of the top hololive clippers.
kirinuki channel is about 90% VSpo now, and has been for months.

>>8920255
holo & VSpo mems are frens

>>8920324
SUUUUSSSAAAAAAAANNNN
I swear to gods why do they keep doing this to poor Sana?

>>8920336
Based Japan never subbing to clippers

>>8920336
link to the top channel? deadass cannot find it.

>>8920387
The Numbers anon, the numbers!
I know there are plenty of members of Niji that are friends with Holos too, its more I wanna see another org get up there so it isn't always just Niji+Holo+Hal.

I hope Cover bots Towa so Nijisanji takes another L

>>8920470
Anon-chama.....your search reps.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFht3Ite1H2fDF5_alQBgHQ/videos

>>8920582
>rainbow disaster official
kek

>>8917143
then use that "viewbot" to inflate pekora's vod up to billion views

>>8920608
More apex...

>>8920697
Don't be shy nijiseafagchama, type your boyfriend's name

>>8920862
>boyfriend's name
unfortunately, he can only dream about Cathuha's dick

>>8919338
Nijisanji has been courting Apexfags and utaite and they're still pulling numbers when those collabs happen. Not everything is about teetee.

>>8918043
midget numbers still can't break 6k. Meanwhile holomyth 146k among us collab.

>>8918043
now say
>thank you, Selen

>>8915165
its a shit game

>>8921876
>its a shit game
>Rosemi AOE2 -1.2k
you were saying?

>>8921974
yeah...its shit

>>8921990
alright. Name one game that isn't shit. Let's see what you consider good

>>8918828
>people who only watch hetero teetee to self insert aren't gonna be a long time fans
You're wrong there, the shipping isn't for self-insert watchers. It's for normies. Why else do you think gossip rags love to report about which celebrities are fucking and reality TV shows always focus on the flirting and pairing up? How celebrity power couples like Brangelina always took up a massive amount of media attention? That shit sells. That's mainstream numbers right there waiting to be had, and while Nijisanji has made some attempts to grab it they haven't really tried that hard.

This is where Vspo can really shine, they have a real chance to break into the mainstream here if they play their cards right. Depending on the type of celebs they manage to hook they might even surpass Hololive and Nijisanji. It's a smart tactic and I hope it works out for them.

>>8919354
Which is what Gamers was supposed to be but they hired 4 hags who can only play SNES games. To be fair to Mio-sha, she is decent at Splatoon but that's not really a competitive game

>>8922179
All of VSPO isn't inclining due to shipbait. OreApo is not the norm in VSPO.

>>8921638
Kneel to Fuwachad, shark midget.

>>8922328
Wrong, the potential of shipping alone attracts watchers. People are eager to see who will be the next pair formed. That's their unique appeal, teetee between boys and girls.

>>8922393
Hai, gomenasorry

>>8922452
No, this is your delusion. I don't even think you know what the hell OreApo talk about

oh no no no nijibros

Anons did they finally ad Vshojo ?
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/twitch/43112779884

>>8922393
Downvoted with the API so it didn't add a view

>>8922738
>7k
damn that's low by HoloEN standard, is she reading superchat?

>>8922738
>sub botting
>view botting
Why is Cover so shameless?

>>8922781
She had 8k on every stream since start, I think. Very consistent for some reason

>>8922781
>9k
she didn't even start the stream

Just dropping this as proof that Youtube's AI is just outright insane: Pippa from Phase Connect makes poll and it turns out her viewership is more than double than what Susantube shows

>>8922748
That's a good thing. Some anon worked hard manually adding vshojo in the screenie rank

piyo shows twitch but WIP

>>8922876
She did start, but tech difficulties. The interesting thing about her is she is extremely stable in views between streams

>>8922877
Forged from Pajeet hands.
>>8922876
Her audio for the game is scuffed AF (described as Crunchy) so she's trying to fix it. Meanwhile, chat spams bread.

>>8922730
The only one delusional here is the one ignoring the mass market potential of streamer shipping in making numbers incline. Again, Vspo's main appeal is in their skill in shipping themselves with guys. That's what is going to get them big numbers, if they refuse to capitalize on it their growth is going to die off just like that one APEX indie who did nothing but play APEX instead of forming a closer relationship with a prominent male APEX player.

>>8922877
8 minutes ago and more than double the votes.

>>8922966
>>8922956
>>8922916
damn she can beat fauna's peak today

>>8922971
>Vspo's main appeal is in their skill in shipping themselves with guys
Read your own posts

>>8923076
People watch Vspo because of hetero teetee moments, certainly not because they're super good at games.

Guys, tell Cover to turn their viewbots off because it's too obvious. It doesn't make sense for viewership to increase if there's nothing going on.

>>8922877
She was ranting that Susan blocks adblock viewers. She said she conducted a test on one of her mad father streams that she had 80 viewers on and she got around 160 or more votes.

Sana’s last 4 streams.

>>8923265
>Sana’s last 4 streams.
in crowded time slots

>>8923196
I see, you can only look at english subbed VSPO clips which is where you got this idea from.

>>8923265
It's like she never had any debut buff.

>>8923235
No!

>>8914936
Dumb broad needs to not make her fucking year long hollowknight play through a fucking guerilla every time. Nijiens almost beat her this time https://holo.poi.cat/stream/E37o9Ykb4Yk

poor NijiEN girl; now even Vshojo will mog them
https://piyo.chats.ninja/

>>8923235
the scuff is a buff for Sana because holochads can enjoy a holo stream without seeing a nigger.

>>8923511
Clips are a major factor in popularity, newfag. If most of the clips are about teetee then it's obvious they're popular because of that. That's the main reason in their incline, people like to watch cute couples.

>>8922452
>>8922730
>>8922971
Look, I think both of you are correct, in some ways. Some of the VSpo incline because their interaction with male streamers (whether it's ship/non-ship). Hinano with Kamito, then Spygea (I found it both hilarious and cringy that some viewers of DTN called Hinano Spygea's wife) and Dao/Rader. Beni with the CR members like Darusaka, Mondo, and CPT. They even made a pseudo-family bond. Lisa and her comedic-duo with Hendy, although she's inclining more due to her, Reid, and Kou's success in the tournament.

But most of them (and even the ones I have already mentioned) inclined due to their own charm. Beni already inclining even before her interactions with CR, simply due to her design and voice. Nazuna due to her Nazunews. Noah/Sumire/Nose due to both their skills in APEX and interactions with other popular streamers via tournaments.

>>8923353
>in crowded time slots
First three, yes. Last one at top, no. Just showed them to show Sana’s consistency of viewers. Likely very hardcore fans.

>11,336 watching now
Sana officially beats Fauna today!
both of them had no competition in their timeslots BTW

>>8923549
VSj has monopoly on Twitch. NijiEN could try debuting their new wave there

>>8923688
Oddly she might grow, who knows, while others are declining. But she started lower compared to them, than went up.

YT removed some VOD views of HoloEN 2 debut streams