/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8744621
you can keep the green one, just give me the comfy idiot.

Let me help

the owl is so fucking great.

The cuckhold duo

>>8744958
the idolfag mogging duo
i dont even like the asmr deer that much but ill side with her if it means idolfags get btfo'd

Both very cute but boring. I'll give them a month to accommodate to Hololive, but the expectations are low

>>8744621
I love their chemistry.

>>8745003
Idolfags are good and wholesome and valid.
They understand the original appeal of vtubing, whereas people like you just want ewhores to parrot your politics and feed into your media fed cuck fetish.

>>8744621
Cooperative survival games are probably their best bets for their collab theme. Don't Starve, Terraria, ARK, Minecraft, and the like. For the laughs, maybe Factorio or a co-op game of Warhammer Total war where Fauna plays the Wood Elves and Mumei plays the Empire.

>>8745133
>They understand the original appeal of vtubing
Kizuna Ai and Kaguya Luna are hardly idols, so I don't see your point.

>>8745133
Without "idolfags" there wouldn't exist Hololive, redditor

>>8745178
>Kizuna Ai and Kaguya Luna are hardly idols
That's where you're wrong.

>>8745190
That's why I'm saying that idolfags are good.

>>8745211
You don't know what idols are. At least in the Japanese sense of the word. They aren't just singers and dancers. It's a very specific, carefully curated and marketed image. If they aren't self-identified as idols, they aren't.
And even then IF they were, the Nojya loli REALLY isn't an idol, and he was one of the four kings that appealed to the original vtuber fans, so what you're saying still doesn't hold any water.

>>8745133
i forgor why i should care, YWNBJ

i personally think that mumei is adorable and i lover her. doxfags be damned.
fauna is whatever. asmrfags go at em.

>>8745270
If the last 10 years has taught us anything it's that self-identity means absolutely nothing.
What makes them idols is the curated image, but it's also key tenets like not having relationships outside of the one with all fans (or at least nothing that isn't with another vtuber/on screen), and not being partisan when it comes to politics/religion/etc..
These things are hangovers from idol culture that are absent in most other forms of media, and are objectively good and welcomed in the vtuber community.

So what's the solid proof of the Mumei rrats other than voice and art?

>>8745481
>If the last 10 years has taught us anything it's that self-identity means absolutely nothing
I understand you're making a tranny analogy, but "idol" to begin with is a marketing term. Idols are 90% marketing. It's relevant. It's akin to band genres. When you get into the nitty gritty of things, there's often not much difference from one niche metal genre to another. So the band will label themselves as a genre, and the fans will follow suit. Idols are much the same way. Where idols might function similarly to overseas teen pop stars - they're marketed on their "purity" and cuteness, and relatability to their audience - you and I can both understand they're different things.
You're missing the forest for the trees with the "purity in media stems from idol culture" thing. Purity is desired in women, and idols, being expected to be good role models, play the part of a desirable woman. But every woman that pretends to be a virgin is not an idol, and they aren't emulating idol culture. Apolitical entertainment is not emulating idol culture, unless you want to say Dora the Explorer is too.
Apolitical entertainment media is just the default in Japan. A notable difference between say, Kizuna Ai and the Hololive idols, is that Kizuna Ai never propagated a pseudo-relationship with her fans. I said idols were 90% marketing, but this would fall under the 10% that's concrete and real - idols are primarily intended to be "the girl next door". They read your superchats. They act like they care aboit you. In the case of real life idols, they do handshake events and the like - Kizuna Ai never sought after this image. She's just a YouTuber who sings and dances. She doesn't act like a role model and she isn't pure. She doesn't call herself an idol. For all intents and purposes, she is not an idol. I also highly doubt she's under a love ban - a staple in idol companies. There's a difference between not mentioning something because it could effect your image and being banned under contract, and that is another difference that defines her as a different entity from an idol altogether.

>>8745646
There isn't any.

>>8745646
>so what's the proof besides the proofs?

>>8745646
both are streamers that have played little games before but like "world building games"

>>8745974
She sounds more like Gura and I've never seen Gura and Mumei's stream overlap so...

>>8744621
These two aren't my faves of the council by a long stretch but I can see why they're popular and their Dont Starve collab had good vibes. If they keep streaming during west coast noon they'll keep me sane during the lunch hours even though I simp for Kronii and Sana.

>>8744621
It feels like Nature has adopted the defenseless bird and is slowly taming her.

It's heartwarming but also, kinda hot.

i love them both

>>8744621
Have fun funding condoms fag

>>8746844
More like grooming her

>>8744621
Is this the thread for aficionados of a certain fetish?

>>8745655
Nice blog post faggot

BWHAHAHA LITERAL HOLOKEKS

I'm actually tired of cuckposting, can't wait for the next yabe so we have new stuff to shitpost about.

>>8744621
>Nature and civilization are fucked
just like real life!

>>8745003
Then fuck off back to vshowhores

It's just like I'm in twitter!

>>8744621
I want to hear Mumei sing edgy emo songs especially "She's got a boyfriend now"

>>8750928
Who the fuck are these retards holy shit if any of you are reading this your oshi is currently having sex with someone magnitudes more attractive and communicative than you, please kill yourself

>>8750983
The same faggots that post here

I just want an ntr doujin already
Terasu when?

>>8750983
calm down cuck-kun

>>8750942
I want her to convince me that she loves him more than me with her singing

>>8750983
All me

>>8750928
Seeing people talk like this outside of 4chan is instant cringe. People with no idea of social norms.

>>8751397
God I want to use my cock to make her forget who her bf is so badly.

>>8745133
Yes, mumei famously political streams.

>>8745646
We don't care about facts, what matters is our feelings!

>>8750928
>Why would Shachi delete the tweet?

>>8750506
She learned from the best

>>8751655
dont tell me you still think shachi isnt mumei

>>8751769
no one actually believes it, it's only dramashitters trying to make an amegeddon since they missed it and the seanig antis of shachi who got fooled into thinking she'd be in nijiEN

>>8751896
>who got fooled into thinking she'd be in nijiEN
niji reject? niji reject.

>>8752152
In order to be a reject it would have meant she actually applied to Niji in the first place.

>>8750983
> "Me me me that is me all me man I'm such a chad."
> "...Man if only i go outside get some sun instead of sitting in front of the computer all day i swear that boyfriend could have been me!!!"

>I love it when my wife does gf things with me when she wears the anime girl mask! Never mind that she fucks men when she removes the anime girl mask, I don't care and in fact I am happy for her! here's $100 dollars for you and your fuck buddy you 'actually' love
I mean, come on. Really?

>>8752213
> "...Man if only i go outside get some sun instead of sitting in front of the computer all day i swear that boyfriend could have been me!!!"

Ame didn't even meet her boyfriend by going outside. Why do you think that's such a necessity?

>>8750928
These are the types of people you interact with almost everyday

>>8752424
This man needs to buy her gf pills so they can nakadashi all night. Deerfags are just being bros to him.

>>8752424
>does gf things with me
Like what? Has she ever talked to you? Gone out with you? Fucked you? If you think talking to a camera while playing videogames in front of thousands of people is a gf thing then I'm very sorry for you
Also I don't shower them with money because I'm not retarded

>>8752788
I didnt know my nigga Eddy had it in him. And a vtuber of all people

>>8752639
>get some sun
I think he meant exercise, go to the gym, stay in the sun to get some vitamin D

>>8744621
I didn't like either, even before the boyfriend thing.
The other 3 are way more entertaining.

>>8745003
I don't get it. I like both Mumei and Fauna and I'm an idol fag did I miss something they did.?

>have a cute voice
>likes to draw cute things
>inherit the antis of someone unrelated to her
I can save her.

>>8753060
>someone unrelated to her
anon...

>>8753286
All I'm asking for is one decent proof, anon. Just one that seals the deal. Give it to me, anon. Please.

ITT: severe mental illness

>>8753039
They have boyfriends. Give up being an idolfag

>>8750928
Imagine going to tw*tter just to own the owlfags. Congratulations, you played yourself

>>8751478
It's just as cringe here as anywhere else. It's just that all the other cringe here has desensitized you

>>8753039
For Mumei
>seanigs get fooled by shachi >>8751896
>mumei debuts, ESL ears think she sounds like shachi
>spam shachi's twitter with >>8750928
>spam /vt/ for le epic final yab

For Fauna
>lemonleaf and shadow are asmrstreamers
>shadow posts on twitter about how lemonleaf abandoned her to work for corpo
>lemonleaf becomes fauna
>lemonleaf has a boyfriend so they spam cuckpost as well

>>8753039
You're not one of the 10 retards here who consider an anon's post as evidence.

>>8753286
>if i don't have a single shit to back my opinion with, i can at least pretend my opinion is self-evident

>>8753362
there are way to many similarities for it to be coincidence at this point but you are probably not going to get concrete evidence unless she goes full orcatism mode

>>8753362
>The voice
>similar artstyle
>shachimu deleted the tweet and privated her acc right after mumei's debut ended
I am sorry but this is all we have for now, so believing it or not is up to you.
Counterproofs are:
Their speech pattern are not the same.
Mumei's pc specs are seemingly lower than what Shachimu had.
We will have to deal with cuckposters for a while anyway, even if it turns out mumei is not "her" people will still spam because they are as dumb as bricks.
For more significant proofs we will need to wait for mumei to give more personnal stories and infos (if she talks about orcas or texas)

>>8754980
>if she sounds cute and draws cute, she's shachi
Oh come on anon, I said I wanted proofs, not schizobabble. Did you know that Mumei and Gura sounds too similar, and their streams have never overlapped? What else, when Gura was supposed to do her collab TTRPG stream, they delayed it because Mumei was streaming, and then they started the collab stream RIGHT AFTER her stream ends.

My question to you: is Gura Mumei????

>>8755239
It is what it is, we'll see how it all develops in a few months. I just hoped /vt/ schizos wouldn't break containment to bother these girl(s).

>>8755239
>I am sorry but this is all we have for now
they also have very similar gaming taste as in that they havent played a lot of games and both go out of their way to say that they havent played minecraft in their debut. Both also name a tycoon game as their favourite and use 'world building game' which is rather rare.
Unlike mumei, sachi does say that she wants to get better at valorant and apex which completely absent from mumei debut though.
most of this is not at all generic taste

>>8756328
Where is this shachimu debut you speak of?

>>8754110
>boyfriend
for Mumei it's husband.

>>8752424
Bro, take your meds. None of these girls are your wife or your gf. hololive is not a girlfriend simulator

>>8757045
It's insane how in-love she is to him based from her social media posts.

>>8756907
some anon posted a billibilli link a few days ago
I will look in the archive for

>>8757352
Guy is a lucker, imagine having a cute gf who loves you to death AND makes a shit ton of money

>>8756907
>>8757427
https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV16p4y1W7xG

>>8755239
Here's another counterproof:
Mumei is too new and retarded in this business. If you watch her Journey stream (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNMW87foNAI)), she gives off genuine newbie or 2view vibes, as if she has never streamed at an audience at all. It's too real to call it acting. This is really my biggest reason in not believing in the rrats, other than the fact that the other side is the one spamming cuckposts and breaking containment.

>>8757672
This unironically convinced me that she's not shachi, because her voice is just too different for me. But that's just me
But the world building games and tycoon might be something. But the minecraft thing isn't really one, since it's a standard for vtubers and streamer to play minecraft.

Honestly, Mumei hasn't streamed enough to really have definite proof of anything at all, so we really just have to wait.

>>8759022
>Honestly, Mumei hasn't streamed enough to really have definite proof of anything at all, so we really just have to wait.
yeah ultimately time will tell but the world building games thing triggers my /vst/ism too much

>>8757338
>>8752887
She acts like a gf, she talks like a gf, she probably walks like a gf
So, what is she trying to be for you, faggot?

Every shred of so-called "evidence" of Mumei being shachi has just been pathetic attempts at grasping at straws.
You precious little snowflakes just desperately WANT them to be the same person because at this point you're so in deep with the idea it hurts your fragile little egos to so much as think you might be wrong.

Take your meds.

>>8761251
They did the same thing with one of the NijiENs.

>>8761150
See a therapist. For real.

>>8744621
I love them.

>>8761377
God, you people are coping so hard
This is all common sense
The internet, the cooming, and vtubers have ruined your sense of logic

>>8757672
Why the fuck would someone think that those 2 have similar voice? They sound completely different.

>>8756328
>>8759022
>>8760001
It's not that uncommon. At all.
https://www.pcmag.com/picks/the-best-pc-simulation-and-world-building-games
https://www.gameskinny.com/np9sm/5-world-building-games-you-will-never-want-to-leave

>>8761847
Mumei is like a different person trying to emulate some of HER style

>>8761150
An unentitled entertainer.
But I think she should be psychiatrist to (You).

>>8761729
See a therapist.

>>8761847
ESL SEAschizos, what can I say?

>>8761150
>So, what is she trying to be for you, faggot?
A cute girl doing cute things. The whole reason Vtubing industry exists in the first place. I bet you are the sort of a person that can't watch K-On without masturbating, and who can't see a girl, 3d or otherwise, without instantly sexualizing her. Fucking coomer

>>8762139
Wait, are you telling me that Mumei is trying to be Shachi? I'm going to go with this rrat from now on.

Pomu would be disappointed in you constantly trying to start up drama fallenshadow, you have to stop this.

>>8762181
>>8762423
Yes, an entertainer that panders to you be creating a "personal" connection by calling you her husband, acting cutesy and sweet with her viewers, etc
And then when someone gets upset her personal connection pandering as her gf is a farce since she's fucking a man she catually loves, she (and her cuckold fans) cry foul.
Hilarious.

Also, K-On is different because I don't see Yui calling people the viewers her husband/wife and two, there is no interaction with said viewers.

>>8762820
See a therapist.

>>8762077
delete this, it doesn't fit with my rrats

Love em

>>8762077
I'm not saying she made that term up but even a lot of people in the reveal threads were confused by what exactly she meant by it when she showed her list

>>8745145
Mumei playing Factorio would be levels of based beyond imagining

>>8763234
I'm an autist with a thousand+ hours in CK2 and I use that term, but I'm probably just a weirdo

>>8763426
What are you doing here Mumei, get back to preparing for your stream

>>8750928
It’s Yubigate all over again

>>8763234
It's not her fault some people are too stupid to use google.

>>8750983
i know imagining that is hot for you, cuck. but chill people are here to have fun.

>>8763515
Frick they're onto me, ABORT

>>8745646
lurk moar
plenty of tweets an deleted tweets

>>8763621
way to miss the point

>>8763666
Tweets like >>8750928?

>>8763674
No, it's a common term, if they never heard it they could have googled it and seen it was a common term.

>>8762820
I think you're mistaken, anon. We aren't taking about OnlyFans here. I don't remember Mumei calling me husband in either of her streams. The only one i know of who does that is Nene, and it's quite obvious it's not supposed to be taken literally. Most streamers, both male and female, interact with their chat. That doesn't make them your personal girlfriend. Neither does acting cutesy.

>>8763666
You have no proof that isn't just grasping at straws. Now go take your meds.

>>8744621
>>8746844
It's very sweet, maybe they can swap boyfriends as well or try or foursome.

>>8762820
>an entertainer that panders to you be creating a "personal" connection by calling you her husband, acting cutesy and sweet with her viewers, etc
Yes, and?
>And then when someone gets upset her personal connection pandering as her gf is a farce since she's fucking a man she catually loves
It's their problem.
She's not doing it for (You). Her persona is separated from her real life. It's merely an act, art, showbusiness.
It's literally just your problem for taking it personally.
You'd be surprised how many of them are far beyond *just* having a boyfriend.

>>8763666
>Mumei debuts
>oh shit, she sounds like shachi, this is our chance SEAchads!
>go to her twitter and harass her
>she deletes the tweets, and when it isn't enough to stop containment breakers, locks her twitter
>this is it chads this is the final yab, the amegeddon of our time, LET'S GOOOOOOO
>it's HER it's really HER she sounds like HER so it must be HER she deleted her twitter out of nowhere haha, it must be HER

>>8763725
Tweets like saying that her bf is amazing and that she's grateful for all he's shown and taught her, and it goes on and on.

>>8763846
There's a ton of proof, so much so that I even feel a little bad for her.

>>8763964
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that anybody who unironically takes the GFE seriously has mental illness. At least goslingposting has some element of self-awareness.

Does reddit and twitter know about this and if they do how did they react to it? I don't keep up with other forums

>>8764130
Actually makes sense
t. Algerian

>>8751743
Shadow-chan...

>>8761150
Anon.. you should try and have a gf for once

>>8764160
You keep insisting this proof exists but have yet to show anything. And just about everything upthread has been thoroughly debunked, so you're going to have to try a little.

>>8764130
They both brought it on themselves by not doing some OPSEC from the very beginning. NEVER talk about your private life in your online persona.

This fanbase can be cancerous and toxic, especially when they pretend to love the audience.

>>8764229
People there generally dont care but rrats that are negative towards the talents get downvoted/ratio'd to hell and back. Especially when they're just speculation like here.

>>8764382
>They both brought it on themselves
No, THEY didn't, because they're completely different people and Mumei has literally nothing to do with any of it.

>>8764347
I'm not going to spoonfeed you, Anon.
And I don't "keep insisting" anything, that was my first post on the matter.

>>8764382
>shachi
It's her fault but it's her life
>Mumei
Didn't do anything wrong since what the fuck would she have done with shachi's twitter? Hack and delete it?

>>8764382
>This fanbase can be cancerous and toxic, especially when they pretend to love the audience.
Wish the audience would reciprocate...

>>8764429
Ah so its just a "big" deal here thanks.

>>8763775
They literally act like gfs you faggots, good lord.
Why you fags act like vtubing is in any way less whorish is hilarious.

>>8763964
If you pander to roneryfags then you should face the consequences of your actions.
Nobody will bat an eye if actual entertaining holos marry or get a boyfriend. You know, when people ACTUALLY have talent and skill in entertainment other than "muh cute voice" or "muh gf pandering"??

People will get angry if people who pander to lonely faggots though gf shit actually have boyfriends and its all justified.
That is literally why they will hide it at all costs. Good god, are you THAT deluded? You are literally eating shit from the bottom and are happy doing it.

This will ALWAYS be a fact.

>>8764447
>I'm not going to spoonfeed you, Anon.
This is just what retards say in a pathetic attempt to save face when they have nothing to show.

>>8764478
He is a dopamine addicted retard please understand.

My proof she isn't shachi? Mumei and I were having sex together while watching shachimu streams. Thus, they cannot be the same person.

>>8756328
Furthermore they have stated that they love Tokyo Ghoul and owls.

>>8764594
No anon you fool, that was me you were having sex me.

>>8764525
>They literally act like gfs you faggots, good lord.
Holy shit you've clearly never even touched a woman before. Nothing inherently wrong with that but jeez at least don't let that make you so mentally deranged

>>8764442
What, you're expecting individuals or companies to respect that line?

Welcome to the real world fucko, everything you say online is saved online forever. You want to sabotage your professional life by sharing too much information? Stay the fuck off your alter ego. Only use it for business.

>>8764478
>shachi
Keep her shit to herself on her name account and not on her pen name.

>>8764676
unironically cut yourself with that edge, my guy

>>8764525
>They literally act like gfs
But anon, how could you possibly know this?

>>8764525
have you ever actually talked to a woman

>>8764676
So you're a shachi anti? Okay?

>>8764628
>>8764743
>>8764776
Anon, I doesn't take a genius that their intention. They literally act like they're your gfs and pretend to be. It is no different than OnlyFans and people who think otherwise are pretty deluded.
Why is it that it's always the people who never even talked to a woman who call others incels?
And by the way, incel is a mentality, not a condition.

>>8744643
>>8745412
you niggers better stop hating on my oshi Fauna,
you are giving too much attention to the unfunny owl (I love you Mumei forgive me if you read this)
The "Don´t starve together" stream was literally carried by Fauna. Didn´t you guys catch how the stupid owl (again, forgive me Mumei I love you) went full "make noises and read everything out loud because I don´t know how to be funny" when Fauna left for 3 min?

>>8764615
Wait, TWO people like an extremely popular anime? AND a popular animal?!
Fucking shit, this is undeniable proof!

>>8764676
>What, you're expecting individuals or companies to respect that line?
Normal people don't attack someone for kinda sorta having a similar voice as a completely different person.
See a fucking therapist. Holy shit.

>Shachi
Had close to a million subs, a decent PC, played Apex, had yab tweets.

>Mumei
Gets extremely nervous from streaming to less than a hundred thousand people. She must be an extremely good actor to pull of that shaky voice.
Is extremely autistic, can't figure out how to jump in a walking simulator, let alone play Apex.
Seemingly has no streaming experience, can't handle OBS, full of dead air, can't finish a simple thought, full of beginner mannerism like mumbling and singing to herself.
Has worse PC than Sachimi, because rrats think she would sell her better pc, cause she's that dedicated, or some shit.
Didn't inherit the million subs "she had on her Shachi channel".

I'm done wasting my time on these rratfags, gonna ignore these threads from now on.

>>8764615
>Owls
At what section of the video does she mention this?
>Tokyo Ghoul
rumao

>>8764628
>>8764743
>>8764776
Anon, I doesn't take a genius that its their intention, that is my point. They literally act like they're your gfs and pretend to be and use that to create a "personal" connection. It is no different than OnlyFans and people who think otherwise are pretty deluded.
Why is it that it's always the people who never even talked to a woman who call others incels?
And by the way, incel is a mentality, not a condition.

>>8764676
Learn to read, ESL seanigger.

>>8764876
>Mumei
>no yab tweet
Here's the yab tweet
https://twitter.com/nanashimumei_en/status/1428872819803295747

>>8764876
Man, that stock picture. What prompted the setup of that scene? On topic, yeah if Shachi is Mumei she's putting out a fucking Oscar-worthy performance, with the cherry on top being her getting a shittier PC to really sell the persona change.

>>8764782
I don't give a shit about either of them having boyfriends. But because they decided to broadcast their shit to the world, we get this insufferable constant shitposting from unicorns sperging and cucks coping.

Multiple other talents are in relationships but nobody gives a shit because they're either lesbians or they don't broadcast it.

>>8764849
>Normal people don't attack someone
Reaching critical mass makes you a target for the small percentage who do. Popularity is a double edged sword.

I won't blame them for not seeing their selection into Hololive coming but I am blaming them for making it so obvious in the first place the first time they applied.

>>8764876
Either she's not HER or SHE is an amazing actor.

>>8764950
If that's the level of affection your GF shows for you, I think you'd better find someone else.

>>8765062
They're not the same person, schizo

>>8765062
At least do your rrat reps, anonchama...

>>8764950
>idolfags unironically believe this is what having a girlfriend is like
Can't make this shit up.

>>8765038
Damn, what a bitch

>>8744621
I’m starting to lose my patience with the purityfags and unicorns. While I’ll probably never understand their mentality, I would just let them be but as late they became some of the most annoying shitposters, and I say this as someone who was there during Ollie’s yabs
Hear me, not everyone is a virgin or is bothered for being one, so don’t expect every single person to follow your logic that if a vtuber “gives GFE” her fanbase only watches her to develop a parasocial relationship
To answer to >>8761150, she’s an entertainer that gives cute vibes and as I said to an anon days ago in the case of Fauna, I like to “be spoiled by onee-san”. Do you understand you’re the only one that wants to feel like it’s an imitation for romantic love?
Cope with the fact that she has a boyfriend massive retard, go look for a different oshi that gives (You) a sense of being loved by a woman while the rest of us enjoy the adorable streams. Also deal with the fact you’re the one cucking yourself for deliberately wanting to feel like this about a virtual anime girl
It’s time to move on from these women if you’ll still continue holding this mentality

>>8751896
>seanig antis of shachi who got fooled into thinking she'd be in nijiEN
Why would anyone become an anti of her just for that? I thought it was possible she'd be Petra, then she wasn't and I was just like whatever. Hating someone just for not being someone else sounds so tiresome.

>>8765065
not HER but is deliberately copying HER

Thank god you made this thread, OP

I wasn't even this fucking delusional when I was a full blown waifufag.

>>8765213
They had this epic rrat set up and they it failed, and everyone laughed at them so their pride couldn't take it

>>8764130
Anon... just be a proud cuck like the rest of owlfags, you don't have to cope this hard...

>>8765198
extremely based anon
wish there were more people like you

>>8765198
But they're neither entertaining or cute. The cute part is only attainable through GFE part, at least for some people.

>>8765333
What's wrong, why are you seething like this anon? It's alright to be wrong sometimes, there's nothing world-ending about that.

>>8765198
unironically based

>>8765410
Touch grass or hang yourself, retard, GFE isn't real. Besides, everyone already knows Mumei isn't HER and SHE broke up with her bf anyway, which is far more than you can say about some Holos.

>>8765198
The chaddest person itt
However truth is wasted on doxxfaggots and unicorns
Don't fall into the timeloop

>>8765175
>>8765073
You faggots are trying to miss the point on purpose at this point. It's about pandering to gf-less people and complaining about the consequences of their actions.
It's sad cope but hilariously and expectedly delusional.
Stay in your delusion, then. We can't really do anything about it but people will ALWAYS complain and they will always be justified for relying on things that are tantamount to fraud.

I honestly don't care if the owl has a bf, I don't even care if she hosts orgies every night.
I don't even hate Shachi, or her bf. I'm not delusional enough to think I'm gonna date either of them.
I'm just tired of this nonsensical rrat of owl being Shachi, that is based on speculations and on owl supposedly being a top tier actor.

>>8764849
>Wait, TWO people like an extremely popular anime? AND a popular animal?!
>Fucking shit, this is undeniable proof!
Retard, these are circumstantial proofs that support the art and voice proofs. And in what world are owls considered as popular?

>>8765532
>GFE isn't real
But it's making money. That's why Hololive talents keep doing it

>>8765627
>people will ALWAYS complain
correct

>they will always be justified
here's where you fucked up

>>8765698
Can you please tell me at what part of the video from >>8757672 does it mention owls? Genuinely curious

>>8765627
>accuses others of being deluded
>unironically believes in the GFE meme
Nigger, I've been around actual, legit, unironic waifufags for years and even the most extreme ones never resorted to this level of shitposting. Just admit your le epic final yab is never going to happen.

>>8765198
I don't have any problems if you like it, faggot. I couldn't give any less of a fuck since you're free like t like what you want. But as I say literally thousands of times whenever it get brought up, you pander to roneryfaggots, please don't complain that said roneryfaggots get mad with shitty reasons like "IT'S JUST A MASK!?!?!?!?"
It's like a person buying a box that says its gold, only to open it up and its shit, and people like you say "WHY ARE YOU MAD??????? ITS THE BOX SAYING ITS GOLD THAT MATTERS THAT'S WHAT I LIKE SO WHATS THE PROBLEM?????"

Basically, you are free to like them, but denying the intellectual dishonesty they show is hilarious.

I would have no problem if Pekora, Korone, Marine, Botan, Coco etc had bfs and in fact I want them to be happy, because, you know, they're actually entertaining. People give money to them because they are.
If Rushia and Lamy for example had bfs revealed, I wouldn't giv a shit but I would understand why people are angry.

>>8765641
She downgraded her entire setup, changed her voice, and forgot how to sing in a devious attempt at hiding her TRUE IDENTITY but my ACUTE JAVANESE SENSES have allowed me to see past her WHORELIKE DECEPTION.

>>8765698
>Retard, these are circumstantial proofs that support the art and voice proofs.
Except they don't. How pathetic.
>And in what world are owls considered as popular?
Have you ever been anywhere on the internet outside /vt/? No, of course you haven't. People find owls cute, there's a large number of people who keep them as pets, and there's such a thing as fucking owl cafes which are like cat cafes (which you probably don't know what those are either, seeing as how you have zero exposure to life outside this board), but with owls. They're pretty popular.

>art
Reposting from that one autistic anon:

Red: I can tell Mumei lineart for the border of the drawing is done using GIMP because it's pen tool is shit when it comes to sharp edges. Or maybe select->grow selection->paint bucket that shit. I know this because I'm stuck using that piece of shit. Rrat uses CSP. Mumei is a GNU chad.
Orange: The eyebrows simply don't match, and all Rrat's eyebrows uses that thick style instead of single stroke, indicating Mumei does their lineart through pen tool instead of tablet strokes. Also Rrat blended her colors into the eyebrows with clever use of layer blending option. Pay attention on top of the eyebrows, Rrat always love to put some pink shading, indication eyelids to give stronger emotion of her characters. Mumei didn't even bother.
Green: Rrat has always been using her collection of color palette, and systemic use of blush color and that little drop of pink in most of her drawings. Mumei's color choices are much more amateurish.
Blue: The borders of eyewhites meeting to color, you can tell rrat's technique is much more refined by blending the eye whites to appear more puffy. In Mumei's its so amateurish to a point the eye whites it just clashes with the blush.

And color palette simply tells a lot about an artist, and defnitely Mumei's style is much more contrasting and amateur, rather than the rrat's.

>>8757672
>bilibili
Are you fucking kidding me fags? this is just another fucking zhang raid!? Holy shit, this is beyond sad. Not even your precious NGA wants to deal with you morons anymore.

>>8765435
Seething? lol I'm trying to bring you to reality anon and more than that I'm trying to consolidate the cuck fandom you are part of, half of you retards overdose on cope "shes not sachi" and the other half are proud cucks and don't care she has a bf, maybe united you faggots can come up with something better than "seadoxxers" boogeyman.

>>8765641
The longer Mumei streams the more proof we'll have if it's her or not, finally putting an end to the reaching from both sides, at leaston theory, her fans might know that the rrat is false but antis will be likely to not get up to date and just keep regurgitating the same stuff for that dopamine rush of "showing people their place"

>>8766052
Fuck, shachi really did a number on you guys, huh? It's alright seabro, you'll get it right some day.

>>8766052
Take your meds, SEAnigger.

>>8765065
If she was willing to go through all that to seem different from HER, then why wouldn't she have done a basic sweep of HER twitter before debuting? How could she miss something that simple and obvious?

>>8763622
id have fun if you blew your brains out onstream. hop to it

>>8765939
Good thing owl has done literally nothing to pander to gf-less folks
And jesas just stop. Yeah, if Lamy or Rushia were revealed to have boyfriends some people would understandably be upset because it makes the pandering seem very ungenuine which is a valid turnoff, but that doesn't mean you're justified to sperg the fuck out for it and try to ruin their fucking lives. You're literally siding with people who do this shit >>8750928 no matter how much you try to clarify you think it's wrong, because you're saying "yeah its bad but y'know YOU SHOULD EXPECT IT". Fuck that, people like that deserve to swallow a bullet and they should not be tolerated at all.
>reeee but my animu pretend gf has tricked me into believing i had a chance with her i have to ruin her life now
Grow the fuck up, holy shit.

>>8766120
>>8766149
SEAniggers truly do deserve the pike and arrow

>>8765891
>shitposting
It's all basic logic that the most common but discerning men would think.
You faggots can keep defending this shit like disasters have never happened with gf pandering vtubers and revealing they have relationships before like there's no reason for it. Keep deluding yourself

>>8765939
holy shit go outside

>>8766179
The answer is simple, all these kids had a list of big names that hadn't streamed in a while and Mumei matches HER the closest, and by god they're going to jump on it no matter how hard they get BTFO because they just have to have le epic forbidden knowledge of d00m.

>>8765939
>Box says "Pyrite"
>Box contains pyrite

>"But they're pandering to goldfags, where's my gold?"

>>8745133
>They understand the original appeal of vtubing

WHEEZE

>>8766015

Good thread.

>>8766120
>>8766149
case in point

>>8766318
You are trying so fucking hard after being BTFO time and time again, I almost feel pity.

>>8766565
The child learns from the master

>>8766565
Owlbros?

>>8766565
Artstyle literally doesn't mean anything, it's incredibly generic, I see 5 different people a day selling icons like this on twitter.

>>8750928
>these tweets are protected
It never fails with you fags does it? What did the tweet say?

>>8766529
Do these people remember the original appeal of Kizuna Ai? It wasn't her being a virtual girlfriend, that's for sure.

>>8766565
Watch and learn

>>8766705
SEAbros?

>>8744621
Just watch Veibae if u like the Owl, at least she open to the audience about being a whore

>>8744621
The overarching issue here is that the doxxfags are secretly purityfags who’re sneeding harder than anyone else involved. They’re mentally ill, and seek out gfe because they’re maladjusted to society and women. They are by and large the only people who care if a chuba has a bf or not. Normal people don’t have any illusions that they’ll form a real and romantic relationship with the chuba. Normal people are looking for quality streams and/or cute stuff. Normal people don’t care if a chuba has a bf the same way they don’t care or get jealous if xqc has a gf or Arnold Schwarzenegger is married. All their accusations of “haha cuck” are pure projection.

No memberships and never superchatted btw

>>8766337
Telling me this in /vt/ of all places.
Listen, I'm more appreciated in society than you'll ever be, faggot. That you will EVER be.
>>8766357
Wrong analogy.
>>8766295
I have no problem with Mumei, but Fauna feels fake as hell.
Kronii and Sana are the best of EN2 by a mile. The rat, still undecided.

>Fuck that, people like that deserve to swallow a bullet and they should not be tolerated at all.
Well, that could be true for the people still enjoying it.But ultimately, it is normal for people who felt unhappy with whatever they spent their money on to be angry because they were sold something they did not like because of misrepresentation of facts.

That's all I'm gonna say.

Anyways I'm outta here I'm tired of this shit.
I'm just gonna watch Ayame.

>>8766603
>BTFO
You can't even address the main argument.
Keep coping. I am outta here

>>8750928
If she graduates because of this I blame all of you for not respecting the girls' privacy.

>>8766825
>I am outta here

First sensible thing you've said all day.

>>8766825
Call a retard a retard and look how he recoils, lmao

>>8757511
Say what you will about her but she's loyal, not an incel fag or anything but someone like that is an absolute keeper. Good for her.

>>8764447
>I'm not going to spoonfeed you
Translation: "I'm making shit up for (you)s"

>>8766825
>I'm just gonna watch Ayame
When? In 2 months?
>I am outta here
Fucking finally, don't come back

>>8766825
>But ultimately, it is normal for people who felt unhappy with whatever they spent their money on to be angry because they were sold something they did not like because of misrepresentation of facts.
Yes, that's literally what I said. Harrassing the person in their main or roommate account for that and autistically sperging out to those who don't care and still watch them does not fall within that acceptable range of unhappiness. Purigyfags, unicorns and idolfags who do that deserve public humilliation, segregation, and the rope.

>>8766825
Ayamebro, I want you to fuck my wife.

Why are you people caring about this still? It's already been proven to just be some shitstirring furfag. Likely the same guy who went around with the whole "bro 5ch says they're gonna make Aloe look like a joke!" as he went about posting shit like that.
You wouldn't fall for the rrat of a furfag attentionwhore, would you?

>>8766857
It would be an entertaining and a discussion worthy debacle more than this Owl or any vtuber will ever accomplish. I'm sure of it.

>>8766825
What a pathetic post. Trying desperately to save face after getting blown the fuck out so hard is just unbecoming, and top it off with spouting a bunch of utter nonsense making everything even worse.
How humiliating for you, this should make you think twice about namefagging.

>>8767076
JESAS

>>8766565
Autism anon here.
Orange: HER uses gradient. There is no usage of gradient from Mumei because she's just using basic vector arting.
Yellow: With GIMP pen tool, when you use a brush, you can't change how big your strokes are at the beginning of your pen tool line so it defaulted with being ugly clump of circle as seen on the right yellow circle, but when it bends on sharp angles on the left yellow circle, it turns out sharp. HER exclusively works with hand-drawn lineart as shown in her streams.
Blue: The thickness of Mumei lineart are even and thick, while you can see HER uses hand-drawn lineart that has the sketchy, scratchy, and uneven opacity look to it.
Magenta: Again, HER always blended her ends of eyebrows with blending layer "dodge mode", and the visible eyelids to appear more emotionally strong compared to Mumei's.
Green: HER has always used some scratchy, moe blush, on top of the fading pink brush if you inspect them closely. Mumei simply just used a circle, Radial shape, pink to transparency blush on her drawing. I even speculate she does all her drawing with a mouse.
Red: If you're not fucking blind, HER basically colors the black on top of the already drawn grey lines instead of a pen tool.

Again, mismatch color palette choices.

Just did some archive reps and apparently shachi privated her twitter when SEAnigs thought she was petra too

>>8764382
This is gonna fall on deaf ears Anon. Zoomers have been airing their dirty laundry online since they were toddlers.

>>8767005
another extremely based anon
or is it >>8765198 ?

>>8767076
>It's already been proven to just be some shitstirring furfag.
meds NOW

>>8752706
Don't tell me you're surprised.

>>8767138
I wonder how many more vtubers SEAniggers are going to claim is shachi before they get the hint?

>>8767076
This is even worse than being an egg holy fuck.

So if I'm getting this right the rrats on Mumei are currently looking to be untrue but people want to latch onto drama so they just associate the mostly likely candidate to her even though theirs some big inconsistencies that point to Mumei not even being this person.

>>8767076
>a fucking furry
Mental illness breeds mental illness, kek

>>8767125
Based art autist

>>8767183
mumei could be her but petra was pure delusion

>>8767138
Not only is Mumei HER, she's also a NIJI SPY, hot off the presses!

>>8767206
Yeah, that's it. Welcome to /vt/.

>>8767206
Welcome to the internet.

>>8767161
I am >>8766295 but I'm honored to be compared to Guraposter

>>8767076
Ayamebro is a mentally ill furfag?

>>8767206
exactly!

>>8767285
Possibly. If it is him, take a closer look at the pic here
http://web.archive.org/web/20190929080556/https://twitter.com/Kazamilol/status/1178216897059246080
There seems to be *something* pouring down on him.

>>8767138
Now if you would just look at this pretty blue light...

>>8744621
>239 replies
*spits*
.

Based owlbros taking a bat to the printers, rrats D E S T R O Y E D.

>>8767350
It's been a surprisingly good thread.

>>8767350
Mods only care when Gura little prostitute, now get off your asses and ban everyone in this thread is involved

>>8767264
Yeah kinda thought so, should've gone with that Suisei consistency, but mic pic thing was somehow a pattern too.
Still, that's a good opinion of yours.

>>8767255
This is the first time I've personally seen people latch onto rrat that's completely incorrect about a person's identity on here. Normally people would be right about the talent's identity but this seems so blatantly incorrect that it surprises me it's pushed.

>>8765532
>far more than you can say about some Holos
Matsuribros....

>>8767206
>theirs some big inconsistencies that point to Mumei not even being this person.
No, no they aren't.

>>8767076
I'm glad he's dead now.

>>8767439
Yes, yes there are. It's undeniable at this point.

>>8767439
Of course there are. (You) just want to believe in the rrat.

>>8767439
Deny any point made in this post without buzzwords

>>8767431
Trinitychads...
Watamates...
None of the above probably have current boyfriends but there's just as much proof they're single as owl is and there's less proof that SHE is the owl

Why is no one talking about Fauna cucks they’re worse than Owlcucks

>>8766825
Fauna is genuine, if you see her banter in the Q&A, Spore and DST streams you can already see that it's her personality, she just has a huge control over her voice tone due to being an ASMR vtuber, there's no way that she could "fake" so many topics and tendencies at such a constant rate non-stop, she speaks slowly but she never rans out of material.

>>8767450
>>8749371
And he did it within like 10 minutes of his twitter being posted by me over in /who/ I only regret not screenshotting shit before posting it

>>8767439
Having a shittier computer and appearing to have very little streaming experience is a big inconsistency.

>>8767426
And this is the first time I've seen people cope this hard. You dont DFE on your Twitch, tweets on Twitter and then lock everything down if you have nothing to do with what people are saying. You tell the supposed schizos they are wrong and to fuck off before blocking them.

>>8767545
That's your opinion. And it's wrong.

>>8767426
SEAniggers just desperately wanted to feel special for once. But turns out their retardation doesn't stand up to even a modicum of scrutiny.

>>8767545
>sh-shit guys, we're losing to the owlcucks
>quick, move goalposts to faunacucks!
I don't care, you're all a disgrace

>>8766565
>>8766705
>>8767125
Oh no no, dramafags, I don't feel so good...

They're my favorite ENs because I think their designs and voices are cute. Simple as.

>>8767206
There are solid for and against points, but it’s up in the air at the moment pending more evidence.

For:
>Very similar art style
>BF tweet was deleted right AFTER the stream. Ironically, if the seamonkeys had breached containment earlier than they did, and the tweet was deleted before debut was over, it would have ruled her out
Against:
>Voices are totally different. Hologirls are some of the most qualified in the industry to change their voice at will, so the only meaningful type of evidence is positive confirmation. Fauna and lemon are a 100% exact match voice wise, and Mumei is not.
>Mumei has not inherited a million subs. The culls aren’t hitting her any harder than the rest of the girls. If she was HER, she’d be soaring ahead like groomba was

>>8767593
Please... I need amegeddon...

>>8767573
Except she has literally done this before retard >>8765213

>>8767640
wrong link, I meant >>8767138

>>8767457
>>8767480
>>8767487
>h-her kayfabe is slightly different it can't be her!
Imagine being this gullible Jesus Christ. Nothing that comes out of her mouth is proof of ANYTHING. People can and do lie.
>>8767566
>Having a shittier computer
Oh yes because computers are irreplaceable and stay with you for life. It's entirely possible her old rig broke or she had to sell it and couldn't afford a replacement that's as good. Not to mention that people can and do have multiple rigs for different purposes.
>very little streaming experience is a big inconsistency.
This is extremely easy to lie about. Lucrative too since people will eat that shit up.

>>8767626
>BF tweet was deleted right AFTER the stream
See this >>8750928
That's from the boyfriend tweet. Now think why she would delete it.

>>8767626
None of the for points are even remotely close to "solid" and have been thoroughly debunked beyond any shadow of a doubt. There's nothing left but to accept dramafags were backing the wrong rrat and move on.

Someone, please, explain it to me.
If having a boyfriend is not a problem, why the hell do they hide it? Why do they give "hope" to the mentally-ills?
If they were upfront about it (like they apparently were before) there wouldn't be no drama, so I fail to understand why you defend them.

>>8767728
>have been thoroughly debunked beyond any shadow of a doubt
no they havent lmao

>>8767577
Oh i see a Fauna Cuck having fun oogling over her voice while she’s being piped in the sideline?

>>8767705
>People can and do lie.
Like you and all the rrats are?
It's over faggot, you lost. Get over it.

>>8767101
Just because a majority of you niggers are unhappy doesn't give you the right to take away hers because of some retarded delusional fantasy you have about dating the talents.

>>8767705
>h-her kayfabe is slightly different it can't be her!
>n-no I won't watch the stream I don't care about research cuck cuck cuck cuck

>>8767705
So her computer, mic, and vocal chords all broke right before she debuted for Hololive? And she's pretending to be retarded because ???

>>8767735
>why the hell do they hide it?
cover management probably
shachi didnt hide it

>>8767745
Yes, they have. Do your reading comprehension reps, ESL.

>>8767735
Because you attract schizos like the ones in this thread

even if isn't HER the "proofs" are already in the doxx nip page. its over

>>8767705
>owl is legitimately an oscar worthy actress and somehow all her equipment, including PC, keyboard and microphone, broke down or got replaced before debut
maybe she IS just pretending to be retarded, guys...

>>8767786
Then why do they accept to join hololive?
They want the mentally-ill money.
So they (and you) have to accept there are consequences in doing so.

>>8767735
Opening up about your personal relationships is just asking for harassment from delusional waifufags like the ones shitting up this very thread.

>>8767705
>she erased all her experience as a streamer just to hide her past life from everyone
>yeah she drew like her past life, why go the effort to change it despite knowing how to draw in multiple styles?

>>8767735
>If having a boyfriend is not a problem, why the hell do they hide it?
Because who fucking cares? Also Cover likely has policies about that

>>8767705
>People can and do lie
Yes, that's true. But why would she? Anything even slightly implying that it could be HER is based on... HER reaction to schizos which does not have to be linked to the Owl at all.
>Not to mention that people can and do have multiple rigs for different purposes.
Well, that's also true, but... Once again, why would that be a thing? Ask yourself a simple question - who the fuck would own two computers with one being significantly worse if it wasn't for some actual goal and not casual gaming/streaming?
>This is extremely easy to lie about
And, once again. Yes, it's true. But why would she do that? In my language there is a saying "a lie has short legs", which means you won't get far by lying and it will eventually come out.
Why would you even risk that?

I like how this thread had actual discussion at some point with pro and contra but now just turned into shutflinging.
You fags are so autistic you might actually turn this into amegeddon 2 by continuing to act like retards

>>8767865
They were both open about it in their previous life, and were doing pretty fine.

>>8767818
If someone seems to turn into an entirely different person it's almost as if they're an entirely different person.

>>8766970
>>8767032
Saw your posts mentioning Ayame while browsing /vt/ so I can back to check.

I watch her when possible, anon.
You two have good taste.

Ayame is great. I wish she streamed more.
I have been with Ayame for a long time now, since the /jp/ days.
Ayame is almost perfect. I never even noticed when she finished her break.

>>8767005
I'm not gonna reply to the rest because they are basically posts with no reason, just plain anger, obsessed with defending the indefensible.
This is also my last reply to this topic. It's obvious the "incel mentality" is pretty strong with these faggots.
It can't be helped.
Then there is no problem. We both agree they have a right to whine and be angry about it, they have a right to shit on her about it 24/7 and complain about it.
That's how the "invisible hand of the free market" goes.

>>8767705
>Imagine being this gullible Jesus Christ. Nothing that comes out of her mouth is proof of ANYTHING. People can and do lie.
Not when they're on camera 4 hours everyday, the rrat gets weaker with each click of the clock but you don't watch her so you keep being a retard without shame.

>>8767803
Oh no, not the nips!

>>8767930
I thought you left. Pathetic.

>>8767879
>Also Cover likely has policies about that
They're not forced at gun-point to join hololive.

>>8767842
>So they (and you) have to accept there are consequences in doing so.
No, what we have to do is spot the autistic purityfags who are sperging out and harrassing the entertainers for mundane trivial shit and rid them of this world permanently, not just accept them because "it's expected". They are one of the many cancers that plague humanity.

>>8767930
Obsessed lmao, go outside

>>8767753
>n-no u
>>8767764
I don't care about going through her inane babbling because anything she says could very easily be a lie and doesn't prove anything.
>>8767765
>So her computer, mic, and vocal chords all broke right before she debuted for Hololive?
Yes, it's very possible something happened to her rig in the meantime.
>And she's pretending to be retarded because ???
Because it brings in a fuckton of cash? Guys fucking love retarded girls.
>>8767818
>basic bitch lying
>Oscar worthy
lol
>>8767884
>why would she lie about something that could significantly impact her earnings
Dude are you serious? As for the PC, many content creators have a secondary PC that's mainly used for rendering.

>>8767930
>Seething so hard he came back after saying he'd leave

>>8767904
Being a streamer with several hundred viewers is a lot different than being a streamer with tens of thousands.

>>8767720
I fully agree that the tweet was always going to be deleted. In our case it’s a matter of timing. The timing being right after debut ends is convient for the antis. Had the tweet been deleted before stream was over, the rrats would be facedown in a pool of their own blood, allah willing
>>8767728
I personally think the art one is pretty damning, but I currently lean on the side of NOT HER

>dramafags can't graduate owl because owlfags are literally too autistic about /his/
>dramafags can't graduate nature because they ASMRfags too chill to give a shit about drama
You love to see it

Why does everyone pick on the Owl when the Deer is leaning hard into the GFE angle?

>>8767735
It wouldn't be a problem if this industry wasn't full of unicorns, doxxers and idolfags.
They're hiding it BECAUSE it's a problem, not out of their own will.

>>8757338
can i get some screen caps or smth? im genuinely curious and couldnt get in before she locked it all down

>>8767966
>If I apply to Hololive I will make great connections, have a big audience, make tons of money, achieve my dream of being a big streamer and entertainer and find my other talents appreciated!
>But... I won't be able to talk about my personal relationships. There goes that!
You guys are a fucking joke.

ah yes, the two worst members of gen 2

>>8768002
You're reaching so hard I can hear your joints straining.

I love how the entire Mumei rrat is predicated on her entire personality/PC/streaming experience being "I was only pretending to be retarded"

>>8768002
Here you go anon, watch it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNMW87foNAI
Oh wait, you won't. Okay. Also, you forgot to (You) and explain this one >>8767871

>>8768062
Mommyplay isn't the same as GFE retard

>>8768062
Because ASMRtubers are very open about being in relationships across the community, and it works for them. It's literally why we're in this situation in the first place.

>>8767735
because they want to have their cake and eat it too
they want the big mentally ill bucks but none of the strings that come with that

>>8767992
Too bad those harassers and the one throwing their life savings to the talents are the same kind of people. What have you done for the talents so far?

I hate this Gen 2 EN Vtubers how tf does Cover screen their applicants anyway, They know that doxfags will try to find their IRL identity and low and behold idolfags are being cucked i genuinely feel bad, so go outside and take a hike or something they won’t fuck you.

>>8767930
I said don't come back, retard
also
>You two have good taste
Idk about the other guy but I don't really like Ayame, actually.

>>8768062
Deerfags don't care, Owlfags gives more (You)s so that's what they lean on.

>>8768062
Why would people hate Mumei when she actually could have talent other than disgusting GFE? As I have said Fauna is pretty unentertaining to me. Sounds fake (needs to fix that), gameplay is boring and unentertaining, other than knowing how to fill dead air (which is not a positive trait) I do not find her entertaining one bit, for now.

Is ASMR really her past life talent? That's terrible.
Honestly, she's the Noel of Hololive: boring, unentertaining, overvalued.
Sana and Kronii are much, much better.

>>8768002
>>basic bitch lying
>>Oscar worthy
>lol
Shachi was a 1M fucking subs account, she knew how to handle an audience. Owl is a fucking nervous wreck, if she's actually faking it then she's doing a better job than goddamn Luna at kayfabe.

>>8768062
owlfags are only getting into deeper denial

>>8767705
Faking having little streaming experience is just kneecapping oneself for no reason as literally everyone would prefer to watching a streamer that knows how to do the basics of their job.

If she were an avid streamer she would have gotten better PC as well. If her old one broke she should have gotten one that's on par or better because streaming requires a decent rig to run both the gameplay, the stream, and the live2D.

These 2 things is way too much self sabotage just for some kayfabe that people wouldn't even care about or notice at best to actively harming your entertainment value at worst.

>>8768129
What situation? A bunch of LARPers going on about their le final epic yab? It's only obnoxious because it's impossible to actually talk about the talents without retards constantly shitting up threads.

>>8768047
>I personally think the art one is pretty damning
Art autist anon pretty thoroughly tore that down. And it's not like that "style" is in any way unique, you can go on twitter and every other basic bitch wannabe artist draws cutesy shit exactly like that.

>>8768062
ceresfags already accept it
owlfags think is a rrat

>>8766224
i know being a cuck is pitiful existence, i hope one day you can overcome your mental illness, if not bullet to the brain would do the job to weed out your defective genes out of the gene pool.

>>8768237
>Shachi was a 1M fucking subs account, she knew how to handle an audience. Owl is a fucking nervous wreck,
so was gura and shachi is probably unironically on the spectrum

>>8768262
Yeah, that's what I meant, basically.

>>8768185
Shit taste, then.
I have been watching Ayame since early 2020.
I watch Ayame all the time in my law office.
I watch Ayame when I can, and if I have time to do so.

>>8768316
Owl doesn't have a tenth of the charisma Gura showed in her first week, as much as I'm fine with owl.

>>8768296
I don't think it's a rrat. I'm going to get called a printer but I have to admit my fellow owlbros are coping hard on this one. Just tell the fucking rrats to fuck off, do not engage in retarded counter-arguments because that only multiplies the drama.

>>8768151
>the ONLY people who donate are 4chan/5ch mentally ill purityfag retards
>yeah we will try to ruin their lives but we also give them money you know?
Once again demonstrating why you faggots need to be incinerated

>Ayamefag in charge of judging other people's taste
Fucking hilarious, just give this thread a read to see why she's one of the worst JP holos >>8748365

>>8768451
You just didn't have to use the word cope and it would be more believable

>>8768101
And? I'm not saying they are doing the wrong thing. Just that there's no point in pretending people will be butthurt about it. Besides all the jokes about Cover being an entertainer company, they act like an idol one. If they wanted schizos to stay away from hololive, they would be open about relationships. They're not. They want the schizos and their money. So if the schizos find out about a boyfriend, it's only natural they would get mad.

>>8768072
Their success also comes from *not* having a boyfriend. They want the mentally-ill to watch their videos, they need them. So they can shut up and be better at hiding things, or accept critics.

>>8768038
Then they should have stayed with their small viewers?

>>8768368
I said don't come back, but seems that I'll have to do that again.

>>8768317
Ah, I see. It's pretty frustrating as a naturebro that /gaia/ was unusuable for a few days, but it seems for the most part they've more or less fucked off from there. And even then, the real issue just comes down to meidos being shit at their job and not being vigilant about deleting doxxshit.

>>8767735
They wanted the easy idolchad money there are certain rules that come with it
if they even tried to talk their personal relationship on stream nobody knows what could happen especially on the jp side it could be like what happened to kanata's irl idol that just god married she let off some steam by punching a piece of meat on stream while screaming nobody know what could happen when your local unicorn goes berserk

It just like what tamaki(trap) said hololive is on a their way to the top right now so they should stop interacting with males (outside of fubuki & matsuri)

>>8768484
Reaching way too hard there bud

Have fun donating for condoms and birth control, imagine being a Cuck.

>>8768484
>he thinks unicorns are only on 4chan

>>8768505
What word do you want me to use anon? Engaging in retarded arguments instead of replying "You ran out of ink retard" is coping, plain and simple.

>be retarded girl who doesn't know that much about playing games
>get hired for holoEN2 somehow
>given a twitter account, doesn't even know what to say in it so leaves it mostly empty
>debut, it's okay but she couldn't do anything special
>finally got to streaming games, become a nervous wreck but at least you tried
>check your favorite online hangout, 4chan, and see what they think of you in /vt/
>shachi

>>8768623
Almost there, anon! You can do it! Try it this time, without buzzwords.

>>8768289
>Art autist anon pretty thoroughly tore that one down
I will admit I’m no art expert by any means, but for me the way the eyes, especially the top halves, and the edges are done is very similar

As for the style, I honestly wouldn’t know how prevalent it is. It could very well be something to the effect of CuteSexyRobutts and Shexy (if I’m remembering the 2nd artist’s name right) who have very similar styles (did CSR give lessons at one point?). I know Sakimichan gave lessons and there’s other people that draw almost exactly like them.

>>8768700
I'm just trying to help anon. It doesn't matter what I believe, just tell the rrats to fuck off and do not engage.

>>8766825
>But ultimately, it is normal for people who felt unhappy with whatever they spent their money on to be angry
what the fuck would they have spent their money on? they don't have membership or superchats yet. The merch that you could easily refund???

>>8768752
You did it, great job! Next time you try to falseflag, you shouldn't use buzzwords, okay? It's a lot more convincing like that.

>>8768566
>If they wanted schizos to stay away from hololive, they would be open about relationships.
As far as I know they're pretending to be anime girls and we're yet to see an anime wedding.
>Their success also comes from *not* having a boyfriend
Thier success comes from being entertaining.
>They want the mentally-ill to watch their videos, they need them
They're aiming for a general (large) audience rather than full-schizos. Not a single one of them is openly pandering to schizos themselves. Not even Rushia. She *just* is like that and schizos found her appealing.

>Then they should have stayed with their small viewers?
You don't want to earn more money, anon? You want to stay at your minimal wage?
It's called career progress.

It's simply the other way around.
also that reddit spacing lmao

>>8768375
>Owl doesn't have a tenth of the charisma Gura showed in her first week
Revisionism, Gura only started to get good by the second week.

>>8768651
Other than Ame and Mori, what other vtuber actually browse 4chan religiously? Because Ame actually reads this place on how to improve her streams

>>8768707
If I got time, I will draw the loading screen with HER style.
Then again, chibi arts are pretty fucking easy and any basic bitches that touched japanese media will eventually learn to draw it. They're also flexible to use in any type of content so most artist will learn to do it at some point of their life.

>>8768923
There’s a time stamp I witnessed myself of lemonleaf back from April 2021 saying vt is kinda funny to check every now and then

>>8769075
Then the deer might know that Deerfags knows she’s cucking them lol

>>8768837
>As far as I know they're pretending to be anime girls and we're yet to see an anime wedding.
kek
>Thier success comes from being entertaining.
Indeed, otherwise I wouldn't be here talking about them.
>They're aiming for a general (large) audience
Yes, and they could easily tell the schizos to fuck themselves.
>It's called career progress.
I have no problem with that.
What I mean to say is that if they want schizos, they have to accept the consequences.
>reddit
I'm a newfag, I mostly lurk. You can call me nigger if you want.

>>8769160
you fucking nigger coon lol

Her voice is the same (very, very slight change), her art is the same, she deleted the tweet as soon as her debut ended, she was a big name so it made sense for Cover to hire her. At this point I think you're all trying to deflect so hard just to try and protect her, but you obviously know it's her. I have no dog in this fight, by the way, I just checked the proof and it's way too convincing to be a rrat.

Why are namefags always the worst?

>>8769246
>fuck, I couldn't refute their replies!
>I'll just post it again, that should work
>not a new ip

>>8769075
Ok so I went and got the timestamp, I’m probably retarded because that’s shadow saying it not lemon, but there’s still a degree of guilt by association I guess

https://youtu.be/BK0kEeWco0E?t=5880

>>8769246
All surface-level rrats that were already adressed, now try watching her content instead of just being a thread-watcher because it's only getting sillier to compare the 2 the more days it passes.

>>8769337
hes not wrong about anything he said

>>8769337
Not a new IP, I've posted these two >>8764160 >>8764447 then went out to do other stuff. I think this thread is hidden on the catalog, actually.
There's nothing for me to refute, the evidence is clear that it's her. The ones in denial are the ones who should be giving good arguments instead.

>>8769407
>everything about them is the same
>survace level
Ogey

>>8769408
Okay, I have time, so I'll write the most basics down. Here, refute
>from 1 million subs, she's now a 2view-tier streamer with potato pc
>she's retarded and is a genuine beginner with many first mistakes, like letting the sound of your keyboard click and not knowing how to fill dead times
>but somehow she placed the effort to downgrade her pc, lower her internet speed, change her voice, take acting lessons and have brain surgery from a decent apex player to whatever the fuck she is now
>but couldn't even change her artstyle, when she's shown that she has the ability for it
>>8769407
>implying they'll watch it
They won't, since if they watch it their rrat goggles will take over.

>8769360
Gee I WONDER who could be behind this post, certainly not a certain unironic unmedicated /u/schizo who wouldn't understand why the love of their life would ghost them.

>>8769594
>lower her internet speed
not to take away and honestly an entirely useless point but bottle necking your internet speed is relatively easy and can be done in 5 minutes with either software or hardware.

>>8768234
>an Ayame fag calling Noel boring
I think most people would rather hear Noel talking about weird shit and funny stories than Ayame talking about her cats for the 1 millionth time.

>>8769656
Makes sense, but it's just there to point out the absurd lengths she'd had to go through for hiding her past life

>>8767735
Why are you hiding your real name and address from me, anon? We're friends, right? It should be no problem if you did nothing wrong.

I like Fauna, and I hate Shadow

>>8768062
If you actually watch her content she's been doing 0 "GFE" and just comfy video game commentary with good pacing and a soothing voice.

>>8769774
Cucked

>>8769852
Shadow take your meds

>>8769649
Are you replying to the wrong post?

>>8769859
Imagine being a cuck she won’t fuck you my g

>>8765820
Tarah previously uploaded a video with a live owl in it.

>>8769906
Good thing I'm not a schizo then. Shadow will never fuck you my friend

>>8765952
>Except they don't. How pathetic.
Alright, what kind of proofs do you want then? That Shachi tweets out that she's Mumei or what?

>>8769977
Who even Tf is shadow? All i care is you being a cuck

>>8769656
>Making 4D chess theories
>When Mumei was having a hard time with Journey before she got a god-tier player for co-op or how Fauna was the MVP in Don't Starve Together.

>>8769944
What the fuck this is 100% proof, this is it the final yab for sure!
I'll ask, just to be sure, did she also previously upload other animals videos as well? Because if she did, then I got excited for nothing, and fuck you.

I hope to christ that someone actually figures out who Mumei is so all this shitposting can finally end though Fauna is still fucked.

>>8770102
FaunaCucks

>8770007
This is just getting sad my dawg.

>>8757672
They don't even have the same accent.