/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

On exhibition match - all-stars matches are in the later part so everything up to that is just a warming-up.

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>8620790
home sweet home

>>8620987
I think I prefer the hololive without Coco ritualpost

100k doryaaaa

>>8621116
pretty good, but is this good enough for allstars NijiJP collab?
ps it is sponsored, but Sps love baseball

I'm creating a 5 man non-Holo unit that can get big numbers, currently, I have
>Kuzuha, Maimoto, Hal
I'm thinking of adding 2 girls for some balance, who would these 2 girls be?

>>8621247
i understand you holobronies do not know anyone outside of hololive but kizuna ai, shiro and all others are not nijisanji

>>8621293
Kenmochi > Hal
And if you want girls with big numbers, I think Mito and Lize are Niji's highest numbered females.

>>8621024
Yeah this ritualpost fucking sucks and is Hololive tier. The Hololive without Coco one got a new spinoff occassionally.
>>8621247
For being less than 1/10th of the NijiKoshien roster, yes. There's also the fact that the vtuber picks for the exhibition match have low live views

>>8621332
Kenmochi > Maimoto*
But honestly I'm not entirely wrong, Hal's regular Apex numbers are lower than Kenmochi's meme streams and Hal's non-Apex streams are oooooooooof.

>>8621293
Not many girls outside of Hololive for numbers. Can Hal even get big numbers when its not APEX like Kuzuha can? Just add other Nijisanji guys.

>>8621247
>>8620932
+ last year's peaked at 80k

>>8621371
Hal gets like 2k playing Stardew Valley last time I checked and half his Apex numbers playing Valorant.

He's an Apex one-trick, bu I mean he's literally THE Apex vtuber so that's expected and nothing's wrong with it.

>>8621371
No he can't and you're all replying to the Astelretard

>>8621383
>last year's peaked at 80k
if it was before september i'm not impressed

>>8621293
>5 man non-Holo unit that can get big numbers
easy Dokuzuhonsha + Kanae.

>fewest members of any niji with membership open
>barely 100k subs with virtually zero growth
>average CCV around 300
>most watched ever non-relay stream was 3k
>most superchatted stream was $2,009, has just $26k in total
>most watched VOD has 80k views
>streams somewhat regularly and has been around for over 3 years
Bros... how do we save her?

>>8621931
By fixing her retarded face

>>8621931
no hope because

>the day so far
Gotta say I'm impressed by the choice of games by the EN2 girls

>>8622140
should i start chumbud timeloop or wait for actual chumbud to start it?

>>8622136
Mao Hayama and Gwelu are fine though.

>>8622179
No. Just silent acknowledgment of good numbers is fine.

>>8621931
Why? She's doing fine.

>>8621880
>Dokuzuhonsha
LMAO collabs only, no solo streams for Dola and Honhima.
You might as well get Ib and force him to only play Minecraft and nothing else.

>Polka new outfit tomorrow
Predictions? Given her inconstancy I'll put the over/under on 45k.

I say under 45k or, at most, 50k

they can't catch a break, do they

>>8622140
>Gura 3rd.
>Pekora 9th. Didn't even hit 20k while playing a coomerbait game.
I'm glad we can stop pretending that Pekora is the numbers queen now.

I never thought I'll see the day Leos gets less than Irys playing MC, Hardcore MC nonetheless, but here we are. He got 9.2k last week and this is ep 2 of his take 3.
Rough to overlap with Koshien exhibition match tho.

>>8622526
>Didn't even hit 20k
I surely hope you figured out by now those numbers include the ongoing streams.
Seems like she's still the queen then, by your own admission

>>8622510
Youtube really doesn't want them to succeed

How big a deal number wise was Kronii privating her VOD? These numbers seem low for the amount of viewers she had

>>8622558
Oof. Looks like HCMC really doesn't have much in terms of longevity for the audience eh.
>>8622451
42,069 as the peak.
Jokes aside, I'd say 40-45k max, costumes are nice but that dress doesn't leave enough to the imagination to get people really going, and she's not Gura, where despite everyone knowing it was going to be cat ears, still managed to nab the highest costume reveal in Holo so far.

Glad to be wrong though.

>>8620790
Been a while since ive seen haneru on top 10

>>8622627
>Below three other Holos.
Literally a Queen of midgets. LMAO.

>>8622720
>Looks like HCMC really doesn't have much in terms of longevity for the audience eh.
There are two ways to stretch the audience

1) Make a collab, like the Gen 3 one
2) Make it a storyline, like Miko in her early summer afternoon HC MC

>>8622510
Holy fucking hell susan! Fix!That!Shit! I think at this point omega should filed a complaint to youtube!

>>8622451
30k - 40k range, probably won't do better than her 3D anniversary. Polka's live viewership problems have become endemic.

>>8622748
Admit you bow and kneel to her
>ADMIT IT!

Current Piyo
>E-Emperor Hal .... what are you doing?!

>>8622451
40k-45k. Her 3D was at 30k so it should be little more than that

>>8622961
hey the man wants to be manager to cute girl ok

>>8622961
He is preparing to start his own idol FPS theme chuuba agency anon

>>8622961
Exposing to the world his non-apex form......a midget.

>>8622908
Can't do that, mate. I'm currently kneeling to the six queens of Nijisanji. Maybe I'll check out the lesser streamers when we're finally rid of baseball.

>>8622961
He wants to get his dick sucked by idols

>projektmelody stats
Max peak: 16k / avg 3.7k

I genuinely thought these numbers would be way larger given the hype and exposure she got one year ago or so.
Her highest peak was in March 2020, when she was partnered with Twitch and from then on her avg. CCV didn't budge from under 4k.

She has a massive name recognition that didn't translate in actual viewers, it seems. Anyone follow her streams and can give some insight of why?

>>8622690
>How big a deal number wise was Kronii privating her VOD?
Not much.
>These numbers seem low
No, it's pretty normal for a 2hrs stream with 32k CCV, her VOD can still grow due to debut buff so leave it 24hrs before saying anything. That VOD will hit 600k or maybe 700k tomorrow.

>>8622727
She's still the 26th most superchatted channel in the world despite that, she couldn't keep up with the growth of the big Holos and Nijis but she built up a good lead in 2018 and 19 and still does consistently pretty well these days.
Oh and also Flare overtook Bintroll yesterday and now the Japanese all-time top 10 is entirely vtubers, Coco, Rushia, Pekora, Marine, Aqua, Kanata, Kuzuha, Lamy, Korone and Flare.

>>8623276
ew a male

>>8623180
Name recognition won't automatically translate into regular viewers, as a streamer she's just average and she seems to be split between normal Twitch streaming and Chaturbate anyway.

>>8622961
False Emperor has no nijis to leech off.

>>8623382
>3k-4k is "just average".
Kek. I think numberfagging has rotted your brain.

>>8623640
esl?

>>8623640
I didn't say the numbers were average, I said as a streamer she's just average.

>>8622526
>still among the strongest in views/day / average ccv / superchat / +20k fanbase
Nope she is still queen

>100k+ every time baseball stuff is streamed even though the main event is already over
I kneel to baseball

>>8622526
It's all about consistency. Anyone can get a once in a lifetime peak for a few streams, but only peko can always stay over the 20k line regardless of what she plays

>>8623824
on no someone gonna post the shinchan thing

>>8623824
Even Pekora falls below 20k when playing debuff games. Regardless, she stays above 20k most of the time.

>>8623552
King Kuzuha > Emperor Kenmochi > Usurper Hal.

L-Lauren???

Is this a new record? About 210k dollars stream

>>8624522
No Coco got 308k

Numbers update

>>8624522
A Soul?

>>8624464
karma for faggots calling him red kuzuha

>>8624464
Over 5k now, must've had a Susan moment

>>8624581
stop the count

Flare at the top 5
KEK! The definition of Gypsy

>>8624581
Can the baseball game be played online and against other players or just LAN?

I imagine they all got contracts with youtube or some shit. No way holonigro is handing 50% of the value like a normal superchats.

>>8624649
yeah there is online, but jp only

>>8624581
Fuwa radio calisthenics holding strong if there are guests.

>>8624522
For a 3D debut probably

>>8624706
if we lived in a world where kuzuha channel's bedtime wasn't 6am would his viewers show up for his guesting?

>>8624677
When you consider the size of youtube, Hololive doesn't bring in that much money.

>>8624690
I see, I guess it is an effective marketing campaign for the game for them if 200k is watching you play the game.

>>8624464
What's?!
Joke aside he is back to 7k, stream died for a sec.

>>8624774
Vtubers could define livestreaming for YT in the future though if they manage to fix their shit on top of adding a feature where you can pay tickets to watch a paid concert there instead of NND.

>>8623824
>only peko can always stay over the 20k line regardless of what she plays
She already failed to do so yesterday.

>>8624915
That one doesn't count since it's a debuff game.

>>8625006
>regardless of what she plays
Anon...

>>8624915
NTA, but if I want to numberfag pekora, I'd say she gets 20k most of the time

>>8624915
Oh wow, for a grand total of 36 viewers.
Really reaching at anything to stay afloat with your retarded take, huh

>>8624774
Maybe not in the grand scheme of things but I'm sure Youtube has noticed by now that its top 5 superchat earners and 15 of the top 20 are all from the same company, who are also some of the top regular livestreamers on the platform that aren't from the third world

It's not just Pekora that's been doing poorly lately, it's every single JP. They're losing their EOP/SEAnigger fans to EN2.

>>8624522
Reminder that Hololive or Aqua could've gotten this if they didn't try to protect Reddit dragon and ditched CN market - the one they were dominating. All that just for the bitch to dump them few months aftewards to act like a Twitch thot anyway.
t. not-Zhang

>>8625314
zhang

>>8625280
What the fuck are you talking about, they're streaming in different timeslots. No one is losing fans to EN2.

>>8625314
Get the fuck out zhang. Their numbers pre-taiwan yabe is even shittier than ID.

>>8625314
Chink numbers are never trustworthy

>>8625006
>It's a debuff game when a Holo fails to make it interesting.

>>8625272
My dude, should I use the gacha stream instead?

>>8625314
We have numbers on bilibili donations and they're not exactly great. Honestly for how many people China has it's laughably pathetic.

>>8625314
They didn't ditch China just for Coco, but because they realized how incredibly sensible the zhangs are. All coco did was mention Taiwan in her analitics. If an incident that minuscule caused such an outrage, it's not worth the hassle to invest into CN.
And ultimately, it was the right choice, seeing how Hololive exploded in the market that matters: The West

>>8625436
>my dude
go back

>>8625402
What are you talking about? During Jul & Aug 2020, Hololive revenue from Bilibili was 8% of their total SC / Bilibili gift revenue. It was nothing compared to their JP SC revenue (80-something percent), but still 2nd highest market nonetheless. Their US$ SC revenue was only 4% of their total SC revenue, much less ID, whatever currency they were using.

>>8625314
They would have 100% lost the EN market forever if they did that. Maybe not immediately, but the implication of 'chinede puppet's would forever hang over Hololive if they had done that.
Not to mention you bet your fucking ass it would likely kick off mass graduations as Fubuki had sided with Coco in solidarity you fucking zhang.
Genuinely though, regardless of en market their hand was forced when Fubuki chose to side with Coco. Imagine trying to fire Coco at that moment, the absolute shitshow from the EN and JP markets would easily destroy cover from the inside and out.

>>8625516
There’s the theory that it was more Bilibili using this a chance to kick out Hololive and take over the market in China. They deleted all supportive Hololive comments and debut a vtuber group the moment Hololive was dead in China.

>>8625547
>go back
No.

>>8625280
This is probably true. HoloEOPs have more options now, so they don't have to watch HoloJP. In time, HoloJP's numbers will start reflecting their actual fanbases and drop to a more realistic levels.

>>8623552
>>8624156
Their numbers form through 69, need to suck each other to get the best result. Just like Kuzuha did with Hikakin and that rl idol.

>>8625550
I meant their CN branch. Last time I saw it, their numbers are more or less the same as ID1 with 2 gens. That branch was doomed to fail anyway if the locals don't bother to watch them and tries to force JP members to pander to them more. Heck, if they ditched coco and go CN, they wouldn't have had the success they get right now. EN1 would be dead following an early coco graduation, Gen 4 would be split apart, Gen 5 will be the one going full pander to CN even after they lost one of their members and ID2's success wouldn't had taken off. All for what, CN money? $210k? The trouble that ensues isn't worth their money. Id rather have a Taiwan/HK branch now because they're more generous in SCs and their fans are super addicted to HL.

>>8626048
Most of the Taiwanese dollar donations you see on Holo streams are actually mainlanders.

Checked Utako because she has 10k. What is she streaming right now?

>にじさんじライバーに同性にドキッとした話聞いてみた!【鈴鹿詩子/にじさんじ】
>GTranslate: I asked Nijisanji rivers about the same sex! [Suzuka Utako / Nijisanji]

Is she talking about genders or something?

>>8625707
To corroborate, there's very little people speaking English on holoJP chats now in comparison to before.

>>8626447
Possibly yuri and yaoi bait.
I learned some Jp but honestly can't understand what she's saying.

Piyo right now
>he doesn't kneel to MiKorone
Anons, plz. Also
>Ayame coming in for some mogging

>>8623180
She's famous mostly for doing porn not because her normal streams are so amazing.

>>8626329
中國人喜歡說謊

>>8625314
In August 2020 Bilibili donations for every Hololive member added up to around $64k, last month 10 different Hololive members each got more than that in superchats. Considering how much they pandered to that market it wasn't worth it at all, let alone considering the massive political complications that are inevitable when foreign companies operate in China.

>Y-Youtube-kun
LEAVE THE HOLOSTARS ALONE! GIVE IT BACK!

>>8626329
I'm sure some of them are but Hololive is legitimately huge in Taiwan

>>8626925
BABUDON GET BEHIND ME

>>8626925
Damn that's like kicking a puppy.

>>8626971
>Hololive is legitimately huge in Taiwan
More than huge, they're beating Fate franchise and Genshin in mindshare there, if you go by the prevalence of cosplayers doing each franchise

>>8626447
Holy mother of EOP.

>>8626925
Why would this this be happening to them of all people?

>>8626925
Oh no, Miyabi and Tenma are in danger.

Where are Botan's EN fans? Her chat is literally all Japs.

>>8627179
Because their subs are mostly EOPs and saviourfags, neither of which actually watch them.

>>8627232
>japanese streamer
>chat is in japanese
oh nonononono how do we save her bros

>>8627179
Bots.

For a smaller channel, Hachi's been inclining pretty well this summer.
She used to have ~2k for her singing streams, but kept rising since around her first live.

Probably unrelated but, think the Sony deal might help other utau vtubers too and just increase the singer market exposure overall?

>>8627439
picture broke, she passed 4.4k

>>8627439
i'm not gonna tell you to stop posting midgets but can you at least post a link or screenshots or something?

>>8627374
KEK
>imagine believing Holostars subs are botted
I would ask for my money back

>>8627477
>>8627492
ok ignore me, shit timing

>>8627514
Who are you quoting?

>>8627492
20s is enough to try a refresh sir
>>8627477

>>8627558
it was a mistake chill

>>8627522
yep, same happened to me, didn't refresh in time
>>8627580
and i don't know what idiot decided you should wait 1 minute before you can delete a post.
if it's a mistake, i want it gone.

>>8627439
More exposure is good, but I doubt smaller utau chuubas could break the ceiling yet. She'll likely fall again soon enough, her singing ability doesn't match Chima and Chima gets around ~2-3k for her karaokes.

>>8625280
Seems like only hardcore weebs are watching HoloJP. Nihongo muzukashii.

>>8627514
might as well be, since most of them are just pity subs from reddit eops that have not ever watched a second of their streams

>>8626925
Roberu doesn't deserve that much anyway.
>Avg. Video Views: 13,657 VERY LOW, 6.6% of subscribers
Just fuck my dead subs up

>HI I AM PIXZE I AM FACING PROBLEM EVERYDAY YOU REMOVING 50+ subscribers which demotivating me I am doin 8 to 9hrs stream doing hardwork but you are removing 50+subscribers they are not spam you can see it's demotivating me
KEK, numberfags seethe about the HoloEN2 situation but I can only imagine these little fellows ... work their asses off for 1k subs (so they can have community tab, etc) and all of a sudden it starts dropping

And Youtube twitter account says "well, they must have unsubbed or something, IDK"

>>8628092
Not saying they don't deserve the subs, but the subs they have right now are the worst kind.
Aruran's subs are even worse than Roberu's. He never should've pandered to EOPs with his meme streams.

>>8628092
>Looking at >Avg. Video Views from playboard
are you knew this thread anon? That metric is fucked beyond belief and is unusable.
Less than 1% of channels under 10 million subs are considered above Low even if they get more viewers than subs because the idiots there didn't apply a Bayesian or weighted estimates and all the music channels are distorting the graph. Getting 100 times more views than subs.

>>8628450
>worst kind
What does a "bad sub" actually mean?
Subscription button is only a way to signal youtube you want notifications when a channel post a new video, no more, no less.

What makes a subs a "worst kind of sub"?

>>8627514
Their crazy fangirls buy bots so they can grow a bit and feel better about themselves, that's why're stuck under 1k views when they have over 100k subs.

>>8628526
>Their crazy fangirls buy bots so they can grow a bit
Kek, they must have only poorfag fangirls. 1000 botted subs goes for how much, 5 bucks or so?
I've heard lots of things, this one is among the dumbest

>>8628486
He has low avg video views compared to every holo. Holos usually have 20-40% of their subs watching their videos.

when you have an urge shit on holostars please remember these people

>>8628526
>that's why're stuck under 1k views when they have over 100k subs.
Also I wonder how many bots Hisui fanboys/girls bought, given the 175k subs for 3 digits views

I hope at least the monthly salary is worthy to compensate for these low views.

>>8628679
Only minority of nijimales are midgets.
All holostars are midgets.

>>8628679
>>8628753
>deflecting on nijiniggers asap
Homoniggers were the one shitposting nijiniggers all along, I see, so that's how things are.

>>8622140
>EN2 can't even beat Koushien meme game
what went wrong?

>>8628768
Sorry anon, Your excellency Prince Astel is towering over your midgets for the longest time

>>8628501
What's the point of Youtube notifying you when you're not going to watch the people you're subscribed to?
Most of Holostars' subs are people who sub to them because they're affiliated with Cover. They're not going to watch them. Only Astel has managed to gather a somewhat loyal fanbase.

>>8628753
Bots too, just like Kiara having only 3k views when she has 1mi subs.

>>8628876
>What's the point of Youtube notifying you
That's the point of the subscribe button. If you set an alarm clock to wake you at 7AM you would be pissed if it doesn't buzz even if you planned to turn it off and sleep in anyway

>>8628863
>Tournament buff and leeching holos buff

>>8628876
Such a classic poorfag logic.

>>8624581
>EN2 will kill Nijisanji, they said.
You know it's only going much lower after debut week, right?

>>8628886
>everybody I don't like is a bot
Maybe that just proves there is no correlation between subs and CCV. Think about it

>>8628679
Hajime 3D debut will mog all holosharts previous records

>>8628961
>they said.
The voices in your head do not count anon, other than that nobody ever said that

>>8629002
are you ignoring the board spam? It's okay, I would be ashamed too if I made those claims.

As amusing as these Holostars vs lower tier Niji males discussions sometimes are, can we stop doing this every thread?

Maybe get back to some current numbers like, if even Emperor Hal can't do much with it, is Idol Manager the ultimate debuff game right now?
Peak was 4.9k 2 hours ago, so at least his audience retention is high.

>>8629076
Hold still anon, this will only sting a little and it will make the voices go away

>>8628961
I'm sorry anon. It already killed NijiEN.

>>8628969
there was a month when hajime had 2344 median
has anyone from homostars ever achieved such number?

>>8629138
Yep, poor Pomu never got another SC ever again since their debuts.

>>8629122
All bantering aside, 4k is a very good number for that game.
Here is Lamy head to head with Hal with the same game.

>>8629122
Kuzuha, Hal and Kanae are doing their idol reps. Surprisingly, iirc Kuzuha and Kanae both got the same numbers when they streamed this game. 13k and 13k

>>8628938
What's the point of the alarm if you're going to ignore it?

HACHI

>>8629186
Eh, that's some midget numbers, nothing impressive.

>>8629261
If I go to the store and buy a contraption that says
>if you set it to buzz at 7AM it will buzz at 7AM
I don't expect it to fail to buzz in any situation on it's own volition.

Objectively, EN2 is a dud. They will recline like irys did in a few weeks. So the question is, why did they fuck up?

Imagine EN2 with say, Pomu, Rosemi, and Elira instead of the 3 current yab girls. I'm just saying, this is a recruiting error.

>>8622690
Which one did she private?

>>8629186
Recent stream, no cancer buff btw. Just straight up beating a dead dog.

>>8629122
>is Idol Manager the ultimate debuff game right now?
Mito had 10k, Kanae 11k and Kuzuha 15k (during dead as fuck hours), so I don't think it's a debuff game at all.

>>8623276
Holy shit kanata. She went from eating grass for dinner to being a fuckin millioner in 1.5year

>>8629413
So Pomu is on par with people with millions of subs, even with 2k viewers? Wow, that's impressive.

Is Risu not streaming in her Ayunda voice all the time her greatest self-debuff of all?

>>8629336
>>8627477
It's been an hour and she's still inclining.
She and Kaida the only ones singing right now but still, it's a rough hour with 10 Jp streams over 5k viewers.

>>8629180
lmao, homos average are under 1k. they only shill astel now because he was buffed leeching from roboco and choco.

>>8624522
Who dis? Genuinely ask

>>8629512
>buffed leeching from roboco and choco
...anon... you could at least TRY with your trolling.

>>8629555
hes not wrong. nobody would give a shit if he were to team up wth other homos or some outsiders
check his recent CR cup numbers

>>8629555
cope harder.

>>8629466
Nah, EN 2 will mog what's left of NijiEN. Just look at Irys, she already caught up to Pomu.

>>8622690
Gen 2 is having problems with views too. Right after the stream ending the view count is low

>>8629375
You still haven't explained how ignoring the Youtube notification will help the person you're subscribed to.

>>8628863
>Astelfag flexing his manlet numbers
Like clockwork.

>>8629735
The board speaks for itself, 99% of posts are holo tribalists and they aren't happy. Well, enjoy the 5 uhh..."great" content creators.

>>8629395
>Imagine EN2 with say, Pomu, Rosemi, and Elira instead of the 3 current yab girls. I'm just saying, this is a recruiting error
Are you implying the the new girls are worse than the Niji midgets? Btw, the answer is nothing will change, it's never about how entertaining they are, they only need Hololive brand and meme with some buzz and boom, million subs.

>>8629814
yes, by far. There were 30k viewers for a video of a box. You can stamp Hololive on a literal piece of shit and people will watch.

Oh wait, they did that, their name is Sana.

>>8627477
As someone who's been following her for more than a year, this is really satisfying. It's like watching suisei incline all over again, an indie that make it big

>>8629496
Just as i wrote that, Mio and Hakase started singing and Hachi dropped to 4k.
Can we save Kagura Mea anon?
She's been getting 1-2k live viewers for months in her singing streams, no increase. She's not even on piyo for some reason.

20k on kanae channel

>>8629736
>Right after the stream ending the view count is low
Didn't take less than a second to counter that. At least lurk more to know that post-views are bugged after stream

>>8629792
Numbers speak for itself. The 5 gets more numbers than NijiEN already.

>>8629941
Half her streams aren't archived. She makes it difficult to be a fan.

>>8629975
All 5 are a failure even next to Irys. It's a dud gen. But you'll see. NijiEN isn't the reason the 5 EN2 girls are bad.

>>8629949
I was afk for 10 min, what happened?
>Mayuzumi and Naruse
Oh.

How does IRyS's worst stream compares to Pomu?

>>8629395
>Rosemi
Why would you "objectively" consider Romemi (pic related) a success and EN2 a failure?

>>8630020
naruse presence is a buff?

>>8629882
Wish her actual songs and covers were as good as her live singing though.
Feels like they're compressed waaaay too much, and it shows in the low video views.

>>8630051
my entire point was EN2 could be much better with non-shit talent, like Rosemi.

And Kenmochi 15k solo

>>8629941
Mea makes huge bank on bilibli, she doesn't need saving.

>>8630015
Now, you're moving away from the goal. Why would I want to compare Irys and the 5 when I've been saying that nijiEN is getting mogged by EN 2? Stay on course and tell me or back yourself up with numbers. Is NijiEN losing to the EN 2? Yes or no.

>EN2 fags deflecting their failure by using NijiEN as baseline
Whoah imagine my shock that HoloEN beat NijiEN truly terrific

>>8630051
Don't argue with him. Rosemi does a good job at attracting autists like him and me.

MiKorone collab just ended, where are the ~35k viewers going to go?
nijimales on the rise
Mio and Haachama started some trademark streams

>>8630080
Dont be a poorfag and purchase her song anon. It got better quality

>>8629941
You could request piyo to add her channel

should EN2 numbers be taken seriously given the number of bots being used (and subs removed)? I'm just saying, bots are messing with the real numbers.

Kanae for example has 20000 real people for Apex.

>>8630125
How much does Mea make on bilibili?

Sigh.. where's graph anon at? I need me a graph to see the numbers incline/decline over the month. This thread has become tribalfagging now

>>8630248
They shouldn't but what can you do about the autist shouting every few hours about them?

>>8629975
>9 hours
Retardchama, I'm talking about a few minutes, like 5 to 10 minutes after ending
It's not normal for a stream with 30k viewers for 3 hours having only 45K views at the end

>>8630090
>EN2 could be much better with non-shit talent, like Rosemi.
Are you implying Rosemi would get better numbers than the current crop of EN2 on Hololive and, somehow, she can't on NijiEN?

That's very hard to understand. is Nijisanji debuffing Rosemi somehow? She's the same streamer, why would she do significantly better elsewhere?
I refuse to accept you are shitting on Nijisanji this boldly, I am certainly misunderstanding something here.

Yes retards, Hololive brand can make even a literal poop have 500k subs. Looking at you Irys. Viewers speak for themselves though.

>>8629941
piyo has added some channels, but only the ones that were requested. It seems that piyo doesn't think about adding channels until someone requests them to piyo.

>>8630248
>>8630334
Kek
/u/ helicopter is really making chumpedos and nijitribalists seethe

>>8630318
You must endure anon

Kanae is the only one streaming so that explains his views

>>8630433
>Viewers speak for themselves though.
THIS!
>pic related

Somehow Irys at her worst (see >>8630041) beats most Pomu numbers. Is that implying Pomu is worse than "literal poop"?

>>8630345
Oh boy you're starting a timeloop again. At least back up with numbers or pics. Debating about post-views is stupid, and I was called that a month ago during NijiJP debuts by nijifags. Why is leos's debut that had 90k gets around 10-18k post view? This pic is maybe related to that I don't remember, it's next to lauren's post debut pic that I saved.

>>8630610
clearly botted

>>8630276
Most if not all of her money comes from there, her main plat is bilibili to begin with, her yt channel has 283k subs and 16 million views total, but on bilibili she has 857k fans and 100 million views.

>>8630506
all 5 had mass removed subs. they are bot viewers.

>>8630248
Anon, are you really?
We've talked all thread about how YT is en masse removing real accounts it considers inactive since 10th of August, even if they are active.
In holos case, there are a lot of 'inactive' accounts though, since many people subbed back in 2020 to all channels, or during a big spike moment to a specific channel and haven't kept up since.

But still, as a user this is stupid. Give me a notification that I'm being unsubbed and do it automatically after a week if you feel it's important, don't just unsub me!
Of all the fucking useless things YT has done, removing inactive subs algorithm and implementation feels like a huge waste of resources.

>>8630698
NTA but Mea is a friend to Aqua and they both got popular during Aqua's height. After aqua left, Mea had to choose either her friend or bilibili.

Will this trend continue?

>>8630604
>500k subs
>100k subs
>same viewers
Embarrasing.

>>8630506
Friend, I'm not loyal to one company. I watch what I like.
I'm sorry that you are a company drone.

>8630699
You assume bot viewers on a scale that's frankly a bit unheard of in Vtubing instead of the much simpler explanation: Youtube fucked around with their Algo again.
Which they did. On August 10th. As as been stated. In this very thread. You stupid baitposter You don't even deserve a (you) for this shit.
Frankly this constant 'bots bots bots' spam isn't even interesting anymore and is just tiring.
It's not like it's unknown that Youtube really, really, really loves it's shitty algos.

How is virtualreal doing, are they getting good numbers

>>8630801
That's not the case at all, eop dramanigger. Aqua supported her when her live was cancelled and Mea didn't cut ties with her either.

>>8630834
OK, the timeloop is reset. Here is my part of the timeloop
>there is no relation beween subs and CCV

>>8630801
I hope the stinky whore chokes to death on Xi's cock

>>8630833
No
IRyS was getting 15-25k at the start and now is at 6-12k

>>8630890
NijiCN

>>8630833
Safe to say Ouro could get 10k+ after a month. She hasn't shown anything yet for normal streams like Apex/Minecraft and only played 2 semi-kusoges. Both are received well.

>>8630604
People may watch Irys, but nobody is simping for her unlike Pomu. Pomu is above her in sc, not counting the streamlabs donations which are harder to track.

>>8631034
Does supporting a diagnosed vchuuba counts as simping?

>>8631104
She never had cancer, that's a narrative holofags are spinning because they honestly want her to die that badly. It's so damn sad to see them sink so low.

today's sub numbers.

>>8631175
damn wtf happened to the rat? I thought she was the Gura killer...

>>8630995
>Kronii is IRyS
But Kronii is going up while IRyS was going down. Also Kronii went up while competing with Gura.

Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, people didn’t like IRyS after checking her out? It’s different with Kronii.

>>8627305
Does Youtube remove subs that don’t watch the channel? How does that even work

>>8630834
2,8k is the lowest for IRyS, her usual average is 7k

>>8631175
>its real

>>8631175
>Sana stole the most subs
so this confirms botting. she is not the most popular at all.

>>8631278
It's youtube's anti-bot algo being a brilliant piece of shit and no human intervention to check when shit hits the fan. It's just noticed very significantly now because of changes on August 10th + a new wave of pretty quickly subbed channels getting flagged. Now we get to see this shit unfold in real-time, which frankly I don't think we've ever seen the YT bot algo spaz out this hard before. It's actually kind of hilarious in a sad, twisted way.

To compare the staying power of Holo Gen2, you need to compare them to Holo Gen1, not to a single VSinger called IRyS that many didn’t even end up liking. Just saying.

>>8631238
She commits the greatest crime of all during her debut.... being aussie

>>8630801
and they haven't streamed together since.

Mea's stuck with Niji Animare and Noripro, but she's gotten pretty cozy with Rushia through Tamaki.
Now that Coco and the zhang spammers are gone... and once the Apex crowd stops spamming Aqua.. Mea and Aqua could get back together. Unless they didn't just have a big fight and haven't talked at all since that Concert fell through.
If they do get back together, their reunion stream would easily pass 50k.

Every time Susan shits herself, the numbers change to something meaningless.
Please go back to normal.

>>8631391
I don't see mass Pekora unsubs, do you?

>>8631167

>>8631413
Anon, you know we can't do that.
There was none of Susan's bullshit when HoloEN 1 debut, we can't compare either subs or viewers, not even retention since all of those are incredibly off right now.
+ the real situation that there was nothing like EN Myth when they debut, so everyone, including twitter tourists tuned in to see what's up.
The Vtuber general audience bigger now, but EN2 haven't had that much of an impact outside of it.

>>8631034
Irys is literally $2k less than her. Yesterday, she already passed her. It was only today that Pomu gets $3.5k from her viewers to pass Irys again. You could say that Pomu earns a lot from stream labs and her sold out voice pack but Irys had an album released, some charted for a day or two earning big money too. You could argue both of them earned literally around the same now, but Irys debuted like more than a month ago whereas Pomu debuted in May. So, who's the loser between the two?

>>8631530
Diagnosed with pain from ripping a stitch. Not cancer.

>>8631630
So what's the operation was about? Im not following her but still kinda worried

>>8631612
implying she got any money off her album. music industry doesnt really work that way.

>>8631612
See>>8631530
Another day, another saviofag

>>8631167
She did a preventive surgery to avoid the development of a cancer in the future

>>8631594
I was referring to the staying power, or to what degree people seem to like HoloEN Gen 2. That it must be compared to EN Gen1 rather than IRyS. Reply to this: >>8631260

>>8631612
>So, who's the loser between the two?
the seaniggers that post here.

>>8631727
I see.. welp good for her then.

>>8631747
Anon here, This is the true answer. Tribalism is bad.

>>8631667

>>8631278
Not sure, but I doubt it's that hard to check someone's viewing history.
Either way, I doubt dead subs get deleted like that because all the Holo sub channels are pretty much unaffected.

>>8627720

>>8630699
Kronii was the least affected one and still on the lead of EN2. Crushing all NijiEN subs in one despite the constants removals.
Keep the hopium on brother, is clear who will be the Gura killer and new Nijisanji killer.

>>8631798
Keep in mind that this is speculation. She never said what it was.

If it means anything, it’s pretty clear that HoloEN Gen2 has the fewest dead subs.

>>8631587
How do we save IRyS?

>>8630136
NijiEN are clearly beating HoloEN2 if you look at their reception on this board, HoloEN2 is basically pretty much universally hated outside of their own generals while most people in all of the other threads love the chemistry NijiEN brings and prefer to watch them over HoloEN

>>8631693
No way to check her album earnings. Just based on the fact that it charted one or two days must've meant that it sold well for iirc $10-20? I don't remember, It was below some other songs that was $30+.

>>8631937
>NijiEN are clearly beating HoloEN2 if you look at their reception on this board
What the fuck are you talking about? There's like 300 people here, this board is fucking irrelevant. Anywhere else in the world, Reddit, Twitter, Facebook or whatever, everyone loves Hololive.

>>8631937
>look at their reception on this board
Ah yes, and I could also turn a frog into a princess. Again, this is a numbers thread. I don't see Selen getting 33k on her first stream, let along 10k.

>>8631937
>not as many talk bad about NijiEN
Not as many care enough to talk about it.

>>8631937
>NijiEN are clearly beating HoloEN2 if you look at their reception on this board
You're clearly shitposting using NijiEN as big "kick me" flag now

>>8631937
How much does Nijisanji pay you per post?

>>8631937
>if you look at their reception on this board
HAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>8631937
Oh, it's this retard again.
NEWSFLASH, easy baits for (you)s and shitstirring right after debut is a terrible way to judge the performance of ANY chubba from ANY agency.
Advice for people with more than negative braincells, check back after a few weeks once everyone's had time to show what they've got.

>>8631850
They all have lose about the same number of subscribers, Kronii is ahead because she is growing more

Since yesterday's cut
Kronii 192k to 212k (+20k)
Mumei 170k to 183k (+13k)
Baelz 157k to 167k (+10k)
Ceres 156k to 164k (+10k)
Sana 98k to 105k (+7k)

>>8631530
She do share too much personal details. I don't remember Miko having this kind of publicity, and worse streaming at the same time while 'recovering'.

>>8631850
Niji is already second place. Holo is more popular than Niji for both domestic and overseas markets.
Kronii is a meme machine, and her voice is very charming. She's guaranteed to have 10k+. It will be interesting to see how her minecraft and karaoke would fare.

>>8631937
meds

>>8632266
Is Vshojo smaller than NijiEN?

>>8631922
Never watched any of her streams but as an outsider, I would say the most glaring fault is her avatar. Just a look at it and I lose any motivation to watch any of her videos.

>>8631937
Of all the shit arguments I've seen
a. thinking anything here matters
b. 1/2 of he threads here are about HoloEN2 and there are just 2 general threads about NijiEN. NO it wasn't much different when they debut, they each had 1 extra thread and that's that.

>>8632161
Is this still the 3rd massive cut we've seen?
It's more than any other channel i could find.

>>8632317
Ironmouse and Nyanners is bigger than they are, so yes.

>>8631850
>Gura killer
How? Gura's the only one that doesn't recline in EN1. If you want to beat her CCV there are top JPs like peko or marine already unless you mean subs... Well if you mean subs, good luck.

>>8632444
I think he means Kronii currently beats Gura, which is correct.

I think we need an official 'midget' line. Because to be honest, I feel like anything below 20k viewers is pretty irrelevant, I mean, 20k stream can't even get into top 10 on daily ranking nowadays.

>>8632317
No, Vshoujo is at least two times bigger than NijiEN.

They have more than six chuubas, and these are the top 3:
https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners
https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse
https://twitchtracker.com/veibae

>>8632539
Midget fights only applies to "head to head" comparison, there is nothing wrong in talking about a small vtuber that is having a relevant day

But saying "who is the worst, Astel or Rosemi" is idiotic

>>8632317
>>8632390
>https://twitchtracker.com/nyanners
nyanners - 7,868 - avg viewers for 85 hours this month
>https://twitchtracker.com/ironmouse
ironmouse - 7,893 avg viewers for 107 hours this month
>https://twitchtracker.com/veibae
veibae - 6,982 avg viewers for 88 hours this month
Vshoujo top would be around mid level for HoloEN1 now and they dominate the twitch vtuber sphere, which is where a lot of the EN live viewer market has moved.
Vshoujo way above NijiEN

>>8632539
>20k - Royalty
10-20k - Dukes/Duchess
6-9.9k - Squires
2-5.9k - Townsfolk
<2k - Peasants

>>8632539
Junior league is less interesting unless they can replicate similar number to the big league.

>>8632642
>>8632722
They all had big pre-existing fanbases before joining and were allowed to keep their personas. I don't think it's fair to compare it to 2view indies that NijiEN hired.

>>8632539
We can have two pics: one with 1-10 ranking, and one with 11-20 ranking. Then they could even be discussed separately.

>>8631937
>if you look at their reception on this board
Are you fucking serious? This place comprises of maybe a thousand people max if you're being extremely generous. What goes on in this place is little more than a rounding error when it comes to the numbers we are dealing with.

>>8632804
The comparison is between Vshojo and NijiEN. VShojo is clearly the winner here, or are you saying that NijiEN are literal 2view indies?

>>8632266
>valley girl shit voice with a bad mic
>charming
holy shit EN has low standards, listen to Noel or something.

>>8631937
Stop falseflagging you nigger.

>>8632539
>anything below 20k viewers is pretty irrelevant
Look at how this board has warped your mind.
I know Holo and Niji top get that frequently but, anyone professional streamer outside of the top 30 in the world struggle to pass 20k regularly.

>>8632160
Well that's her niche anon, pondering to saviorfag

>>8632774
did someone say squirrels

>>8632911
They were before joining it. Also, the other three VShojo members are more or less comparable with them. Selen had two times more viewers than Froot during the APEX collab.

>>8632539
so your beloved shark won't be there much.

>>8632722
I wouldn't say "way above", since it's a known fact that Youtube liveviewer count is way lower than the number of people actually watching a stream. I've seen some NijiEN streams where they put a poll in chat, and after a couple of minutes, there are 2x the number of votes in the poll than Youtube says are liveviewers. I still think Vshoujo is above (especially Nyan/Mouse), but not "way above".

>>8632774
Changes squires to knights because Fuwa lives in those ranges. Well except for this month. He's living the fairy tale bullshit where he became a duke for 20 minutes.

>>8632774
Lol

>>8632932
It's a matter of taste. Kronii is a profesional VA, she can do various accents and pitches.
Noel's stage pitch is too high, which works well for the JOPs and massive weebs like (you).

>>8633076
>Noel is worse than valley girl
she does very well with ASMR for a reason

>>8633058
At least change*

>>8632996
> 10k celebration.
God damn, it hurts.

>>8632774
What do you call indies/small corporate chuubas that gets less than 100 views? >>8633160

>>8632539
Like this?

>>8633033
Agreed, in that 2nd sentence i ate a "top", as in Vshoujo top is way above, when Niji En have pretty consistent numbers, around 1-2k.

Shouldn’t the smaller channel lose fewer subs by the AI? Since bigger channels have more potential loss by the AI. But Sana been losing more regardless. (see pic)

Then the causals likely see the difference and assume to not watch.

>>8633279
>What do you call indies/small corporate chuubas that gets less than 100 views?
Slaves

>>8633506
Nobody knows how "Susan's" brain works.

>>8633543
That's a Mori reference
and for good reason

>>8633279
Idk, I didn't make that tier list, but compared to the Major, Senior and Junior leagues, >100 would be a local park number.

>>8633561
Those kind of cuts over time can be the separation between channels. It really is messed up.

>>8633506
>>8633561
>Nobody knows how "Susan's" brain works.
The AI is clearly cutting subs proportional to the color of the skin
>Time girl is the whiter, loses fewers subs

>>8633231
tumbling down, tumbling down.

How do you design Pekora/Marine/Rushia/Noel/Flare in one gen, then go from that to EN gen 2?

it is simply mind blowing. Nepotism?

Not only holoJP is losing their EOP viewers but Niji as well. I don't see a single EOP in Ars chat and I'm pretty sure she's the Niji who's the most popular with EOPs.

>>8633737
kek
>he doesn't know Pekora and Rushia were handpicked by Miko

>>8633690
I dunno, Stream 1 and Stream 2 numbers have been surprisingly consistent so far.
Fauna even had a slight incline.

Nene, Kanata and Suisei, Aiba Uiha and Liza Helesta on nip TV
https://v-clan.spwn.jp/events/21082920-idolv

Helesta inclining recently? I'm hearing about this name often these days

>>8633813
She's one of the most popular Niji girls. She had a radio show with Lulu for a year.

>>8633231
How about NijiEN?

>>8633506
Probably they are cutting people who subscribed before the debut when they all had almost the same number of subscribers, maybe that's why they lose the same amount of aubs

>>8633966
>Probably they are cutting people who subscribed before the debut
They did those cuts already. This is a new cut.

>>8633737
We've had this conversation before and it's really clear to see,
EN auditions are more for getting different kinds of people into Hololive, that's how you get an illustrator, rapper, idol, shitpost song maker and streamer into a single gen.
Holo Jp in the past was more about just getting the best streamers they could find. Gen 3 being the first group experiment gen and luckily, they gelled well together, mostly from Marine, Flare's and NoeFlare's manager's efforts. we'll see how EN Council does.

Also,
>>8633754
Vouching in this industry, like any other, is very important. Your building a team now.

>>8633638
No, they lose almost the same number at the same time. The difference that we are already seeing is because of the content and personality of each member

>>8634080
>they lose almost the same number even though the channels are different size
Still weird

>>8633813
She's one of the only 3 Niji Girls left who regularly gets 10k viewers for solo streams, along with her partner Ange and Mito.
She's always been big, but never had any EN presence, since her character is mostly JP Unicorn bait and she has no clippers.

Was partners with Lulu in the Niji Radio and a few other projects, might have seen her there

Numbers update (11-20)

>>8634225
>A-Ayame
How does she do it?

>>8634258
While playing one of the most debuff games out right now.

>>8634205
Her 10ks are usually just her playing genshin

>>8634362
>debuff
Kuzuha got 27k playing that. Is that number a debuff for him?

>>8634472
Kings like Kuzuha or princesses like Ayame are one level above the mere peons

>>8634205
>She's one of the only 3 Niji Girls left who regularly gets 10k viewers for solo streams
You're living in the past. Ange can't get 10k regularly anymore without something like baseball buff. Her latest zatsudan only got 7k. And Lize is struggling to stay above 10k nowadays too, her average in July was like 9.8k?(actually, I went to look at her past streams and it's all Genshin now, what the fuck)

>>8632160
miko's 3 months of silence were pretty hard for 35p though, it was a pretty scary time with the whole holocaust going on and everything

Next Color planet hitting 10M views
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQHVGXdcqEQ

>>8635041
She was overlapping with the APEX tourney. These ones were higher: https://playboard.co/en/video/oGvPgCEdxGg
https://playboard.co/en/video/KTCmqQCfPpo
Besides, no one in hololive can get 10k+ for zatsudan besides Marine and Subaru, so it's kind of a stupid comparison. Ange does very well considering her amount of subs.

>>8634225
kinda surprising that Korone had the larger share of the viewers in the Mikorone collab. Doesn't Miko usually have more CCV?

>>8635449
>Besides, no one in hololive can get 10k+ for zatsudan
AHEM!
>teleports behind you
NOTHING PERSONAL, PEON

>>8635558
Anon.. See this -> >>8626685
Note that what you're replying to is only 11-20 for the day, Miko's POV got a higher CCV.

>>8635788
turns out i can't read

>>8635558
>kinda surprising that Korone had the larger share of the viewers in the Mikorone collab
She didn't tho. You are looking at the 11th-20th rank, the princess is in the other castle

>>8635863
Miko + Korone peak = 42k
Miko makes a poll = 60k votes in 1 hour

>>8635958
In an hour is a bit more believable Anon, that's plenty of time for viewers to drop in and out. It's the polls that hit 100%+ in like 5min or less that are truly fucky, but we already knew that.

KEK
>They hit all 10 of us. When their “creator support” responded they said it was flagged as “bot” activity because smaller channels don’t just grow that fast unless it’s fake subscribers & then proceeded to delete all of them

They did a massive campaign, gained some 500 subscribers and the the AI bot said "yeah, not really" and culled half the gainz.
That should confirm one theory: Youtube changed their algos to give a set "allowance" for CCV, for subs, for VOD views and when it quickly goes over it their bot activates and "analyses" it (meaning blindly cull it back into what it considers a proper amount)

>>8636594

It seems Susan is setting herself up for a class action lawsuit and damages over losses involving this "spam accounts/subs/views" fiasco. And no, ToS won't protect them from this given the size of the platform.

>>8636594
>>8636676
These are neither new channels (some are 10 years old) not empty channels (years of VOD), which should disprove either
>bots are targeting new accounts
or
>bot are targeting accounts without videos

My theory is that if you go over a certain threshold (think, more than 10% growth in subs in a single day) the account is flagged and the bot culls whatever subs they think are "Illegitimate"

>>8636910
>It seems Susan is setting herself up for a class action lawsuit
kek, I am sure the TOS gives them the discretion to do whatever they way to Youtube accounts, removing any standing to sue.

There is nothing about their size that would make this any different

>>8636594
>they said it was flagged as “bot” activity because smaller channels don’t just grow that fast unless it’s fake subscribers
Hmmm. This might explain why YouTube seems to be bias against Sana in particular. Meaning she’s too small to succeed honestly. So let’s make her smaller. Repeat cycle?

>>8637112
You'd think they would be smart enough to look at other factors. Like her views putting her into one of the top streamers worldwide (even with the 10k? she got, that is enough).

>>8637267
Pajeet coders, pls undahstand.

Coco, that korean news account, and Lamy have all disappeared from the worldwide superchat rankings.

>>8637430
Replaced by top Vtuber Bin Troll.

Serious question: Should Hololive move to Twitch? At least for EN Gen2.

>>8637546
No. Twitch is awful.
And probably worse money-wise too - they get a lot from ads on videos. And Twitch makes viewing archives a pain, so you get less of that.

>>8637430
Looks fine to me
>not logged in
>SEAnig IP
>USD
>Total and yearly rank

>>8637546
No I would just stop watching vtubers if this happened.

>>8637546
No. Hololive is entirely based on "box pushing" and it is hard to box push on a platform where VODs are second level citizen compared to livestreams.
Hololive whole ecosystem is around all of the girls channels for both livestreams and upload, the clippers, the one off meme channels that go viral.

All of that would be off limits for anyone moving to Twitch which relies on live interaction above all else

>Kiara cooking pulling 11k+
Gotta say I'm positively impressed