/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>First post debut stream numbers
Kronii - 31,931 / 36,902
Mumei - (24,937 / 27,382)
Baelz - 19,017 / 20,709
Fauna - 16,635 / 19,249
Sana - 9,065 / 10,923
Mumei's numbers aren't final but i doubt she'll get a higher peak now that the TTRPG started.

>>8567429
Kronii - Game
Mumei - Game
Baelz - Chatting
Fauna - Chatting
Sana - Chatting?

>>8567429
Sana was probably always destined to get the lowest post-debut but she sure picked a terrible spot to do that stream.

>>8567429
I believe in sana. She seems to be totally new and kinda confuse with this whole thing but i believe she will grow and become the most entertaining and innovative of her gen.

>>8567645
>Sana was probably always destined to get the lowest post-debut
Well she had 11k, so what would it have been if she didn’t stream during both Gura and Ame’s stream.

>>8567645
No, really, and Ame pretty much “guerilla returning” over her slot didn’t help the littlest, let alone eating head to head with Gura on JP Micra

youtube is also fucking up mumei's connection by the way

>>8567645
Her debut was a bit "haha lol wacky" but she'll be fine, She's a good artist and seems to pretty confident.

>>8567879
15k-ish probably.

>>8567877
She should keep producing clips or short videos. Farming VOD then open monetization

>Selen stabilizing between 1.5k and 2.5k, with some special APEX hitting 5k, 6k
If you take your mind away from HoloEN for a second and pay attention on the state of ALL of the rest of EN vtuber scene that’s an amazing position to hold. That would be “middle of the pack” even on JP scene.

Other than Pomu with that “cancer buff”, how are the rest of the girls on NijiEN doing?

>>8567645
https://youtu.be/zNadRmlBn4k
And she'll overlap with Gura again tonight.

>>8568444
Damn Gura isn't taking any prisoners.

>>8568180
Just 4k difference? I think if Sana streamed alone people likely would’ve watched to see if they liked her, even if they were uncertain. Let’s be honest here, that’s why these streamers are getting big numbers now even if they won’t later, people are checking them out. Yet here we are claiming everything is final when the ‘check them out’ phase isn’t over. Of course it’s possible she ends up low, but I think it’s too early to tell right now.

>>8567879
Sana overlapped with Ina and IRyS too

>>8567251
>guessed Kuzuha's stream would get 50k
>it got 51k
Heh.

>>8568378
Just going off memory. Finana seems to have stabilized 1-3k , Rosemi is probably going to be heading that way too. Petra is definitely the Anya of the group. Definitely G-league numbers with Selen being the only "star" of the group.

>>8568654
I don't think there's more interest for Sana than there is Fauna, and Faun topped out at 20k in a semi-uncontested spot for a talk stream.

>>8568524
There is only rule in the jungle
>the lion eats

You don’t schedule your stuff over Gura usual slot and you don’t schedule your stuff over Pekora usual slot (unless you’re Marine or Miko)

TTRPG is waiting for Owl to end? To take from Fauna after they leave Owl?

>>8569065
They just had tech problems, or so Ina said.

>>8568876
IMO, Fauna would have 10k tops if competing against both Gura JP server and Ame comeback. But we can disagree. I think it’s all to hard to tell now.

>>8569127
>They just had tech problems, or so Ina said
Probably, but timing is perfect

>>8567645
>>8567877
>it ll be fine if i overlap with Gura's MC stream where she visits JP server and Ame's "im back" stream
t. Sana

Mumei is doing zatsu now, good timing for audience to transfer.

TTRPG is going just before Fauna. Most of the viewers will likely go there instead.

>HoloMyth push stream for 30 min for Mumei
oh how sweet

>>8568963
Lions don't live in jungles, dumbass.

>>8569720
>dork
>Nature
>spore
could be big, but because of overlapping we will get average numbers instead. i will say 15k

>>8568378
surely you don't know a single Vshojo

>>8569999
> In the jungle, the mighty jungle
>The lion sleeps tonight
>In the jungle the quiet jungle
>The lion sleeps tonight
Wee heeheehee weeoh aweem away

Ina starting after Owl said “bye bye”, because tech reasons… of course.

>>8568444
cant dumbrownie just move her stream ahead a bit? Shes going at something like 9am her place

>>8568963
>"lions in jungle" instead of "sharks in the ocean" joke
are you fucking stupid anon
+this>>8569999
dumbass

>>8570107
I surely mean Youtube vtubers, a whole different market from Bilibili, Twitch, Mildom and others

>>8568845
Rosemi is worse off than Petra in CCV, in the recent karaoke relay, Elira had 3.8k, Rosemi lost 600 viewers to get 3.2k viewers, and Petra gained 800 viewers to reach 4k. She barely if ever beats her on CCV but that was the clearest example of discrepancy in popularity.

I agree about Finana having a floor of 1k and a ceiling of 3k for non-event stuff tho.

>>8568378
How long do you think Pomu's cancer buff is going to be? Because she has been averaging nearly 3k for a long while now.

Elira's numbers have been all over the place recently due to her ISP fucking her over which has led to a lot of cancelled streams, but she generally gets 2-3k even with shit like Bloons and Cookie Clicker. Only super debuffed games like Ib and Omori is where she gets 1k, while stuff like Karaokes and Genshin rolls can get her in the 4k range.

>>8570107
Twitch numbers aren't comparable with Youtube, whenever the NijiEN girls goes over to twitch in cases of YT fucking up their numbers get almost doubled.

>>8570319
>How long do you think Pomu's cancer buff is going to be?
ask ironmouse's fans

>>8570525
you can compare the vod views without error

>>8570319
>How long do you think Pomu's cancer buff is going to be?
I don’t know, maybe forever? Her situation reminded me one of the early viral clips of 2020
https://youtu.be/ZI0ki06MItU

>Ironmouse gets 2000 dollars without even explaining the goal
It was one of the things that generated lots of buzz around vtubers in the west back then and she never “bounced back” (as in, reclined) from that

>>8570932
Twitch doesn’t really have a “VOD” culture, do them? Is there even suggested, autoplay, recommended and this sort of “chain watching” that turns things viral like on YouTube?

>>8570932
>see familiar, but mirrored "talk show" setup
>cant stop laughing

Sigh Calli...

>>8571351
>familiar
Familiar in what way? Do you think one vtuber created the talk show set up?

>>8570525
>whenever the NijiEN girls goes over to twitch in cases of YT fucking up their numbers get almost doubled.
10k Selene playing Apex? Do you have any pic of the double views?

>>8571828
mb not, but setup is identical

>>8570210
they're still keeping the tech issues kayfabe just for you, anon, feel proud.

>>8572161
Talk show setup is the same since Johnny Carlson pioneered it

>>8572248
whatever floats your boat , mate
moving on

>>8572161
I know you faggots live under a rock but try not talking about things you don't understand

Why do we have two numberfag threads?

>>8572676
FUWACCHI GET BEHIND ME

I don’t use Twitch much, but I think Nyanners and Ironmouse are very good at VTubing. And no, I’m not looking to win a popularity contest saying that. Chibidoki on Twitch impressed me as well. I think if they were in Hololive EN as their very first ever debut, they would be top streamers in it.

guys is it true that Biden has a boyfriend

>>8573071
Wrong thread. This isn't the circlejerk of who's better or cutest

>>8573071
Mousey is top tier ye, only EN chuuba I watch besides Selen and Pomu, but this is off-topic to this thread.

>>8573110
Nah, people just found out that he got NTR'd by Taliban-kun.

>>8573188
You seem confused. Top streamers in Hololive EN = greatest numbers.

>>8573071
great anon, but this is wrong thread so offtopic

>>8572676
I only see one.

>>8573110
>wh.gov
>small indie company please understand

>fauna starts with 10k

>>8573071
I'll say this. Gura is basically what Nyanner's could have been if she hadn't been so dumb and easily influenced. My personal rrat is she would unironically kill herself if she ever saw the Shark ever make it legit big.

>collab on non debuff channel
>only 1k difference prev channel
Reclining….

>>8570168
In the savanna, the mighty savanna doesn't have the same ring to it, and Americans are still retarded enough not to know what a savanna is.

TTRPG currently has around the same amount of viewers as last time (~15k) and Fauna has around 14k.
The people who wouldn't have watched TTRPG are watching Fauna now instead resulting in an extra 14k people watching Hololive during this hour.

>>8571329
Some streamers on twitch have a youtube channel for VODs, and others have fans who do that for them, but you're right. This is deliberate to avoid copyright shit coming up later.

>>8573357
Sorry. The Susan thread threw me off.

>>8573297
ogey rrat

>>8573735
Fauna hasn’t started yet

>>8573735
>debuff channel
what about "debuff" player?
for chumbuds for example there are 4 of them

Ame or Kronii would probably be a better GM, really hard to endure Calli's monotony.
>speaker

>>8574169
>Fauna hasn’t started yet
?17k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQO56Kt-AUo

Fauna's beating TTRPG already. I guess this tells us that Sana really is weaker, than nature momma, at least. But lets see if Sana can do better on a gaming stream instead

The technical problem drags the number, and they enter the story right before Fauna starts streaming

>>8574743
Oh, they are still facing the EN curse.

>>8574539
Debut buff
Wait more 2 week till this end

damn, seems like Ceres will peak 20k for sure

>>8574539
Sana royally fucked herself by ending up in the same timeslot as a Gura MC event stream. First impressions matter and Gura is taking all the tourist viewership. If Sana is lucky, Gura is going to cancel tonight's stream because of all the technical difficulties today.

Calli should stop this come what may streaming attitude, she shouldn't have forced streaming if she's not on her workstation. This kills interest.

>>8574539
She needs to start a stream without overlapping her seniors

>>8574929
read the whole post. Im actually comparting Fauna vs Sana (they both had to compete with big en1 streams)

>>8574539
>Fauna's beating TTRPG already.
the problem, most of chumkeks do not subscribed to channel to other channels

>>8575031
gura starts more than 1 hour later than sana. She has plenty of time to put up an impression I think. And fauna will likely end as sana starts, like mumei did

HoloEN numbers update

>>8575335
That's not a problem, it's better. Retards accuses the community of handing pity subs, when in fact the numbers are obviously telling otherwise.

TTRPG ended early due to scuff and they're looking for stuff to do now. Fauna will probably incline a bit until they figure out what they want to do.

20k playing spore. Gotta say I’m impressed with the choice of game

>>8575654
Even if it's temporary (debut buff), viewership more than doubled for Hololive with Fauna streaming at the same than it would have without her.

>>8568963
Maybe she trying to build her own loyal fanbase, considering she like to play debuff game/kusoge. It's good strategy in long run.

>>8571859
Selen has never gone over to twitch, so far it's only been Elira on two occasions and Finana once, and each time their viewership doubled from 2k to 4k and 800 to 1.7k for the first two times Elira went over. I didn't check Finana's numbers but it was the same time as that first Elira stream so probably wasn't that good.

>>8575904
The TTRPG is beyond scuffed and they're actually going to do something else on the fly now, more people for Fauna.

>>8575904
this>>8570014
i think she has got 1 of the best schedule of all of them

>>8575927
Well I predicted before that HoloEN Gen2 should grow the market by allowing for more variety; people can now find something they like. But it’s likely a combination of having more viewers, and splitting some too. Both.

@asagi_
@pako
@azure
Are pretty active, particularly pako, he's been up since Nanashi's stream. Has the artists of HoloMyth was also this engaged when they debuted? I didn't follow those before.

>>8576239
HoloMyth actually commenting about their own group or EN2 is actually more interesting than TTRPG

>>8575654
>only 14k for TTRPG
What the fuck, it really is fucking over for EN1 (minus Gura).

>>8576487
Huke (kiara's father) very much so. The other ones I dont think so.

>>8576239
Viewership for TTRPG (now Zatsudan) is going up and Fauna is steady.

>>8576487
Huke, Mori's mama, Nabi are all very actively commenting on their children's tweets.
Nacho did a 1 on 1 collab with Gura and Nabi and Huke have done group collabs with Ame and Kiara respectively.

This collab is a fucking failure

>>8576616
>14k for "TTRPG"
watch the fucking stream falseflagger

>>8576616
TTRPG ended due to scuff 30 mins ago, numbers-watcher.
Also, how new are you? Everyone knows these multi-part stream series only go down in viewership as more people fall off the wagon, especially for something niche like TTRPG.

interesting note despite of all shit there are 14k viewers on TTRPG stream and less than 20 dislikes

>>8577273
>>8576938
Cope, everyone is getting raped by the new girls, Gura should stay solo forever given that she does much better by herself.

>>8577783
>everyone is getting raped by the new girls
Hot, doujin when?

>>8577675
Fauna still going strong, cant wait to see herSC numbers

(you) are not even trying

>>8577675
Proven right yet once again

tltr fuck off

>>8576487
I think that for most of them this is the fist time they do a chuuba so they get pretty hype

>>8577675

>>8578168
>森りん頑張って

>>8579330
get this disgrace out of here

>>8579330
>Geoguessr
I want to see more vtubers play that. Do you need permission for that?

Fauna
>stable 19k
gj

>>8580640
Not sure about permissions but lots of people from NijiJP and NijiID have played it before
https://holodex.net/search?q=type,value,text%0Aorg,Nijisanji,Nijisanji%0Atitle%20%26%20desc,geoguessrtitle%20%26%20desc,geoguessr

>>8580936
1-2k went from Fauna to TTRPG/Gartic Phone and then stabilized.

>>8581073
and back

>>8581073
Back to 20K again after the collab ends

Fauna reaches a new peak as TTRPG is done.

Gen2 is going to be a bunch of sub 5ks if we compare them to Edengumi, even clock.

>>8581772
yep 22k already

>>8581872
>stable 5ks after debu buff
good enough for me

Collab: Changing to Gartic Phone - peak grows from 16K to 18K. GJ for a scuffed start

>>8581872
only Sana the rest will hover around 8k-12k depending on who has the consistent time slot. Irys after the debut buff is 8k avg views.

predictions for Sana?
>no overlaps in 1st hour
>actual game (celest)

>>8582377
At least 15k.

>>8582377
Should be 10k+, but it feels like Ame just finished her Celeste run not too long ago and it did badly numbers-wise.

>>8582331
>Irys after the debut buff is 8k avg views
She only gets that for Minecraft and karaokes. I don't think Minecraft is going to be a buff for any of EN2 in comparison.

>>8582093
5k is a good number but my mind is damaged by 2020's numbers

Owl ended stream for Fauna, so will Fauna end stream for Sana? If not, Sana catches no breaks. Still haven’t seen her get the opportunity the others got.

>>8582765
>Ame
>numbers-wise
to be honest after her "im back" stream(9k+) yesterday im not sur we can use her as example. + her celest numbers was really low

>>8582827
Well Irys gets that with RFA as well. Her game choices so far is literally just Apex, Minecraft, Subnautica, and RFA. Has she ever even gone back to play Doom?

>I don't think Minecraft is going to be a buff for any of EN2 in comparison.
Sorry, but this is impossible. Minecraft is always a buff to every Holo. Look at Aki, Mel and Matsuri's MC numbers compared to their other games.

>>8582993
>Owl ended stream for Fauna
did she?i thought she finished the game.
>Sana catches no breaks
yeah.. even so she will overlap with Gura's MC stream after 1h.
i dont know why Gura hates her so much

>>8582827
>She only gets that for Minecraft and karaokes.
irys's karaoke is stable 12k

>>8583299
Yes, she even asked people to check Fauna's stream

>>8583299
Gura already posted her schedule. It's all gonna be 9AM JST. It's like she's saying this timeslot is mine but others won't listen.

>>8583299
>did she?
Yeah, Owl said very specifically that she will end her stream so it doesn’t run over Fauna.

>>8582331
It really depends on timeslots. Look at viewers for Kiara for example. They have a global audience I guess but most viewers come in at NA prime time. Gura and Ame capture that slots for Holos, overlapping that spot will net you less viewers, as will streaming outside that slot. Its kind of a damned if you do damned if you don't.

>>8583050
> her celest numbers was really low
tbf I should've been more clear. Her celeste numbers were 6-7k, which is "low" for Ame, who gets 9-10k+ regularly. Also, her return stream overlapped with Gura Minecraft and Sana's first stream and it was only a 1 week vacation, so it's in the same ballpark as Calli and Ina's "return" streams.

>>8583299
>did she?i thought she finished the game.
Nope, first Holo to need 2 sessions to beat Journey I think.

>>8582827
all of them are 12pm JST she has the Ina buff

>>8583299
Gura posts her schedule before gen 2 debut and it her usual time slot, so this is mostly Sana's choice

>>8583172
Yeah, Minecraft is going to be a huge buff. People have been waiting for the EN server to become more populated and more like the JP server for a long time.

What's prime for the US and Europe?

im listening to Fauna's stream and she makes me feel like we've got EN Rushia. this girl will hit BEEG SC numbers

>>8583811
>People have been waiting
+ Gura look pretty motivated to actually DO stuff in MC nowadays

>>8583811
It's gonna be an even bigger buff when the gate between JP and EN is connected.

>>8583590
Seems like Sana switched her time earlier now. At least for today. I really only want to see what happens if Sana is given a free slot. Like if Fauna ends her stream for Sana similar to how Owl ended her stream for Fauna. Because if Sana gets a free slot and still only gets 11k viewers, then we know where she is at.

>>8583876
I think Rushia is aiming too high, EN / Green Lamy seems more probable, they also have a similar personality.

>>8583876
Not quite. But she definitely fills the other end of the GFE for EN (with Ame being at the other end of the scale).

>>8584036
>bigger buff
>Pekora/Miko visits EN server
numberbros we cant stop winning

>>8583485
The goal I think for HoloEN gen 2 is to expand the net total of people watching Hololive at any given time. So for example, during the hotly contested timeslot of 5-8pm PST/ 8-11pm EST, if the viewers redistribute from:

Gura: 20k
to
Gura: 18k
Sana: 5k (probably worst case scenario)

That's already a net gain in viewers. Would be even better if it's:
Gura: 20k
Sana: 5k

We've already seen Irys overlap with Gura bring in a solid 5-7k that watch her, but not watch Gura. I think all the EN2 girls will have their own solid additions.

Fauna is going to fuck her genmate lol

Is this the end guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uApHTEcsMqg

>>8584330
It's weird that they're doing this even in the first week.
I'd expect it to happen eventually, but not letting your genmates get a foothold is a bit cruel.

>>8584255
I've been seeing this GFE quite frequent these days. Does people equate "cute and sweet voice" to that?

>>8584255
>me being at the other end of the scale
yeah.. but Ame debuffs her SC numbers. she is least SCted member of holoEN if i remember correctly

>>8584343
Uh I thought I read 23.9k subscribers, then I looked again...

>>8584396
Often, but not always. Like you have dates with Ame. Lamy's goods include engagement rings (someone asked if it was okay to give it to his girlfriend; lamy said no). Nene has her husband collection.

The chuubas that engage with the audience on a level like that provide GFE. Not so much speaking to the chat, but treating the chat like it's a person.

>>8584330
As much as it sucks for Sana, Fauna has a good thing going rn so there's no reason for her to stop apart from giving Sana numbers.
Just means Sana's debut buff is running out early, which I mean, appears to be her motive anyways after looking at her schedule.

>>8584433
Naw that's Ina, she doesn't do SC readings unless they're akasupas or if they're interesting IIRC.

>>8584289
>Gura: 20k
>Sana: 5k
if we talking about number after debu buff i believe it will be success for her to have 2-3k stable viewers (outside of art streams)

>>8584343
Its possible that millions of people who didn't know about Hololive just got introduced to it, lol. Should be interesting.

>>8584622
>Naw that's Ina, she doesn't do SC readings unless they're akasupas or if they're interesting IIRC.
And at the other end of the scale, you have Rushia and Lamy always reading superchats for hours. Nene wrote the name of each superchat sender by hand the other day, on screen. (something like a 6 hour stream for it).

>>8584289
Any timeslots not 9AM and 5AM JST is fine for them. Just go one hour early or later and they'll be fine. But of course, there's 2 aussies. Rat is cultivating the 1-4pm JST deadzones. Sana needs to go to Irys's timeslot or stream an hour early than Gura.

>>8584330
>Fauna is going to fuck her genmate lol
But Owl ended stream for Fauna… weird.
>>8584394
>but not letting your genmates get a foothold is a bit cruel.
Maybe Owl girl is a particularly good person, and so was watchful for Fauna. Not sure why Fauna doesn’t share the same courtesy?

>Sana starts stream
>Fauna didnt finish hers
Sanabeliverrs.. im sorry
>Sana: today we are climing big mountain
you are right girl

>>8584753
Sana seems like she could totally do hours of SC readings. She doesn't seem interested in playing a lot of games, and just want to talk.

>>8584919
>and just want to talk.
That's fine too. EN doesn't really have a strong dedicated zatsudanner.

>>8584343
>>8584703
Also smart of them to put a controversial ranking to keep it discussed
>Pekora ranked low
>still including a dead channel

>>8584622
>no reason for her to stop apart from giving Sana numbers
But that was the exact reason Owl was stopping for Fauna. To give her numbers.

>>8584753
>Nene - 6 hours of SC reading
>Kiara -12 hours of SC reading after her 12h marafon stream
pathetic

>>8584343
WatchMojo's reach is insignificant. Just look at their past videos. 23.9M subs is literally dead subs.

>>8584343
Who unironically watches WatchMojo in 2021?
23m subs they may have, but look at their views. THAT is truly what we call 'dead subs' boys and girls.
This is really just not gonna do much of anything. If this was during their heyday maybe, but nowadays...

>2020 - 2021
nijibros...

Oh no Sana is surprisingly better than Ame

>her choice in times, when compared to baelz
im starting to believe Sana doesnt actually live in australia anymore, despite the accent

>>8584343
10. Aki
9. Botan
8. Kiara
7. Pekora
6. Gura
5. Subaru
4. Calli
3. Coco
2. Fubuki
1. Korone

If people wanted the list. Legit one of the worst hololive rankings I've ever seen honestly.

>>8585395
Nah, it's likely a similar case to Ina where she does a lot of her work during workday hours in JP/CN times so she streams during her mornings.
>>8585355
Moonrunes translation/summary onegai, EOP board.

>>8585395
I believe she said it’s difficult because she had to adjust to different times.

>>8584753
>>8585188
Mori also reads everything despite not doing GFE

>>8585355
Link bro?

>>8584343
Trashy

>>8585355
There's less people sampled in these 2 surveys than NijiEN's viewerbase. Who cares?

>>8585521
What is this ranking based on? Doesn't seem like anything related to numbers.

>>8585521
Where the fuck is Miko!! Its been years since a WatchMojo list has angered me but this is unforgivable!!!

>>8585610
>Mori
>not doing GFE
pick one anon.
she IS GFE

there you go, Fauna ended the game section due to all the whining from /#/

>>8585521
this>>8585750
so fuck ooff

>>8585724
That's how sample works though.

https://news.gallup.com/home.aspx

>>8585534
ranking of their fav youtubers. JK is female highschoolers, DK is male highschoolers.
にじさんじ is Nijisanji
ホロライブ is Hololive

>>8585642
https://research-platform.line.me/archives/35893800.html
https://research-platform.line.me/archives/38519199.html

>>8585355
>less than 1k sample size
So who fucking cares?

>>8585849
Pfffft nah. This is actually a pretty good time to end, since ~15 minutes in means recommends will naturally more likely flow into Sana's stream.
Now, the fact Gura moved her stream up 30 minutes is gonna hurt, but I don't think anyone who's planning on watching Gura is gonna go watch Celeste.

>>8585849
>whining
seriously?

But Gura just moved her stream back 45 mins…. So 45 mins sooner now.

>>8585959
If my nihongo is correct. JK doesn't watch nijis while DK's moved to watch Hololive more than Niji in 2021. JK doesn't seem to have listed Nijisanji there. Also, I ignored the conversation part, is there any important stuff to take in from there?

>>8585974
At a 95% confidence level you only need a sample size of around 380 for a population of 10 million.

>>8585983
>Gura moved her stream up 30 minutes
oh shit it was 10.15 jst now it is 9.30 jst
Gura is fucking hates Sana

Sana would've done better if she chose jump knight instead of this kusoge

>>8585959
So the ranking is basically
>Jap gameshow youtuber group
>Jap gameshow youtuber group
>Hololive / niji

>>8585724
>>8585974
cope nijinigger. you fucks used to boast this sample last year. "muh jop popularity no holokeks"

>>8585840
Rushia, Noel and Lamy wouldn't dare a fees things that Mori did, like collabing IRL with men and talking about past relationships

>>8586403
to be honest this game suits her better in my opinion. music, overall design..

>>8586451
That reminds me of that google search trend guy

>>8586374
Shhhh, people forget that political opinion polling is fucked due to the assorted bias and baggage associated with it and think that means that all polling is utterly garbage.
It isn't, and for something like this the sample size looks to be fine.

>>8583811
Peko doesn't play at this time, she's asleep till before her stream in JP primetime.

>>8586372
>oh shit it was 10.15 jst now it is 9.30 jst
Gura is fucking hates Sana
It was timed perfectly too. I mean do they think she is a threat or something? Can’t be, so I actually don’t get it. Kind of funny though, but I actually do feel bad for Sana. I mean give her just one day, she hasn’t even fully established an audience yet.

>>8586451
NTA, but one of them was literally mocking the size of NijiEN's viewerbase...

>>8585355
Nijisanji is finished

>>8586372
This shark is so insecure of herself that she need to abuse the new members in order to hide the recline before the EN2 debut

>>8586507
>ike collabing IRL with men
cultural difference between JP and EN fem streamers. after all she didnt talk about shit Matsuri does during her collabs with males.
>Mori
>talking about past relationships
did she for real?

>>8586451
Meds onegai, I am not whoever you think I am. Polling a handful of teenagers is not indicative of an entire watchbase

>>8586372
>>8586650
Gura's usual time is 9:00 jst, she was starting late in case the TTRPG took too long, it didn't, so she can go back to her timeslot.
She herself said she was very comfortable in this timeslot and scheduled every stream except for collabs at the same hour.
Don't blame her for just maintaining her schedule.

>>8586806
>Collabing irl with men
The jps do that too
>did she for real?
No

>>8586740
Is this going to be the cope you use for an entire year?

>>8587009
dead things don't get viewers. Also, Hal does better than both companies as an indie, arguably.

>>8585355
Who's #1? Niji fell off to #4. Holo is tie for #2 with who?
Hikakin fell off pretty hard he had to do weird shit to stay relevant...
Despite the manjisanji meme, there are a lot more female streamers than male streamers in nijisanji, so it's no wonder that nijisanji is more popular with the DKs than the JKs.

I'm interested with the top opinions for the top 3. Could someone translate it, please?

>>8585355
Why do you like nijisanji?
>Higuchi Kaede - everything she does is cute
>Obligation - I'm an otaku

>>8586769
I like Gura a lot, but it’s obviously intentional. It was switched back last min, with perfect timing, and there really wasn’t a need to even do that. I mean she’s breaking schedule just to run over Sana. It’s clear Sana looked at Gura’s schedule to avoid her.
>>8586889
>Don't blame her for just maintaining her schedule
Gura is literally breaking the schedule she made, the very one the other girls can see. Sana switched her time to avoid Gura, only to have Gura do this.

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsUj0dszADCGbF3gNrQEuSQ

She lost another 70k subs, back down under 100k. This is fucking ridiculous, Susan.

>>8587394
Get fucked holobots.

>>8587314
I don't know shit about moon runes except for recognizing characters.
On the the 2020 side, when asked about Nijisanji, one of them mentioned Kaede and the other mentioned Yashiro.

On the 2021 side, when asked about Hololive, one mentioned Coco and the other mentioned Fubuki.

>>8587394
FOR FUCK SAKE SUSANNNNNN

>>8586650
>give her just one day, she hasn’t even fully established an audience yet.
if they threatening your time slot you should show them from the start their place.
and Sana's place is near dumpster

>>8587394
what the fuck youtube
the numbers are rigged
she'll go her whole career like Aki now

>>8585355
This image exposing all the dumbasses that don't know how sample size works.
>>8587314
#1 is Toukai on Air
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCutJqz56653xV2wwSvut_hQ
#2 is Hanaodenga
https://www.youtube.com/c/%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AA%E3%81%8AChannnel/featured

>>8587470
Still more subs than NijiEN

*Dabs on your failed branch*

>>8586317
>DK's moved to watch Hololive more than Niji in 2021
That's basically what happened. A lot of female Niji vtubers said they get more female viewers recently but the truth is the male viewers are leaving for Hololive and that makes the existing female viewerbase seems bigger.

Instead of being incompetent, has anyone contacted Youtube's tech support on Twitter and notified them of the ridiculous pruning going on?

This never happened to Irys, what the fuck is different?

>>8587394
I hope youtube is fucking compensating this by recommending their streams to people that were unsubbed. They are really exhausting people by subbing repeatedly.

>>8587590
They know.
They don't care, they said it's "working as intended".
As one anon said, Apparently a change got rolled out on August 10th by YT and it's fucking a whole bunch of people up.

>>8587394
Everyone got slashed. Kronii lost like 80k as well from what I remember. At this rate, subgrowth is a complete fucking meme for this gen since there's no way to know if they're growing, if the subs are just people resubbing, or if people are still subbed but just not counted for being "spam accounts".

>>8587394
And the holoEN channel grows just fine...

>>8587543
>Still more subs than NijiEN
Nope, Sana is behind all of them besides Rosemi.

>>8587590
YouTube bows quicker to Twitter outrage so the fastest way to get this solved is to have the fans kick up a fuss, compared to a company desperately trying to get a real person to talk to them through official channels.

>>8587501
Wise words ESLchama

>>8587394
oh my fucking god
holobros.. i do not feel so good

>>8587394
I would understand if someone unsubscribe because didn't like the streamer, but this is too much

70k drop + other continuous sudden drops + Gura sabotaging her, changing her schedule?

I just feel bad for Sana already, and is not her first week

>>8587645
kneel to irys

Maybe instead of Gura's meteoric rise, we'll have a race to 0 subs.

>>8587394
maybe holofags should stop botting

>>8587718
Now i can't wait for the new niji wave to debut

WATCH THIS:
https://socialblade.com/youtube/channel/UCsUj0dszADCGbF3gNrQEuSQ/realtime

>>8587985
>maybe holofags should stop botting
Gura didnt touched

>>8587718
So IRyS subs is all legit 600k?!
I kneel

>>8587985
cope nijinigger

>>8588121
Obsydia already did just a month ago and nothing happened. This is Cover™ bots being justifiably slashed.

>>8588263
what about Gura's "legit " 3.26kk

>>8588263
>>8588372
Legit with those pathetic views? Nice joke.

https://twitter.com/shirakamifubuki/status/1430323714013368321

Even Fubuki is trying to help Sana, but Gura didn't care at all

Shame on you chumpedos

Today's superchats

>>8588239
because she and the other holos aren't getting botted but these are for some reason
makes you wonder, who could possibly be behind this

>>8588615
>sub 1k likes
Why she gets so little despite having almost 1m followers? Does Cover uses bots on twitter too?

>>8587394
remember when this board shit on nijiEN for subs? looks like Elira has more and will have more for a while.

:^)

>>8587884
YT won't let them beat choco sub account on their first week of streaming

>Numbers post
>HoloEN 2 gets fucked
I love it here peak comedy.

>sana

>>8587379
Gura is literally talking about Australia right now in her stream... wtf shark

>>8587482
>>8587511
Thanks, anons.
Holo is normie tier now.

>>8588615
I didn't realise Gura started her stream. Did she state the reason why it's earlier?

The only one I could think of, she's tired from the collab and wants to get over streaming for today. I'm 8th month membered to her, but i'm enjoying Sana's celeste atm, she's good.

Sana barely lost viewers when Gura started. I guess cunnyssoirs and chocolatenjoyers are mostly two distinct groups.
(sana did gain a good amount from fauna's end though, so the stability might just be natural growth of people coming compensating those leaving for gura, hard to say)

gura is hololive's saving grace

>>8588890
This is what we call a nijicope.
t. falseflagging nijinigger

>>8588981
She didn't lose any viewers however Susan fucked her up

>>8588944
>I didn't realise Gura started her stream. Did she state the reason why it's earlier?
Sana moved her stream earlier to avoid Gura, then Gura moved hers earlier to run over Sana anyway.

>>8587770
But still higher in live viewers. Sucks to suck.

youtube AI way of thinking
>ok so this channel got legit 900k views on debut
>but them getting 140k subs is definitely bots!

>>8588680
>she(Gura) and the other holos aren't getting botted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xH-IVjNFxRE

TICK TOCK SANA

>>8589098
cope spacenigger

Oi, you cunts will find any reason to shite on Gura, eh?

>>8589051
After what Gura did to IRyS you can hardly call it coincidence anymore.

>>8588944
I ended my membership with this whore to member the aussiecunt in the future.

>>8589051
it is fucking weird to hear them talk about each other at the same time in my open tabs, is this how holos catfight or some shit

>>8589166
kek
fuck you though

Nice civil war holotrannies. Now Nijisanji is leading in both SC and views.

>>8589108
More like
>ok so this channel is getting 200k subs with no videos, its definitely bots!
>they got 900k views after actually uploading content?
>those views must be botted too, time to slash more subs!

>>8588944
>Did she state the reason why it's earlier?
during TTRPG she said:"i will start my stream after we finished this one"
but this is funny to joking around with"Gura s bulling Sana" thing

>>8589234

>>8588981
>I guess cunnyssoirs and chocolatenjoyers are mostly two distinct groups
Gura's viewers are watching her exclusively nothing new here
>collab debuff

>>8589098
goalpost after goalpost huh

>>8589234
> I come from the future, specifically tomorrow
Nice civil war nijiniggers. Now Hololive is leading in both SC and views.

I feel bad for Sana. She moved her time to avoid Gura’s schedule, but Gura moved hers back to run over her anyway. Then YouTube crushes Sana further by removing a shut in of subs. Crazy shit.

Everybody say thank you Susan for catching the botting in time.

At this point, Sana became Dr.Strange and tried to bargain Susan to let her pass 100k.

So the bot farms were finally discovered? It'll be nice to see some actual organic growth for once.

stop replying to SEAbait, retards

>>8588890
>Holo is normie
t.niji elitist
ps wash your hands 1st, worm

>>8589288
She knew Sana was in that time. That’s the point. It’s genuinely weird.

>>8589507
>thinking Hololive has organic growth
It's all forced growth.

>>8589126
w8 til Green Lamy's ASMR

>>8589507
>>8589592
obv samefag

>>8588632
Even though their views reclined quite a bit it feels like every day there's at least one Eden-gumi in the SC chart and it could be any of them. Very strong group in terms of money making.

>>8589558
all Gura did was set the time on youtube wrong from her real week schedule. It was for 9 am jst, she actually pushed it to 9:30 jst.
https://twitter.com/gawrgura/status/1428737977912643585

I hope Cover/hololive takes a hit in (actual) popularity after all this shameless botting was exposed. If it happened only once like with LazuLight, then sure, it could be youtube error, but this is like the 10th time it happens already, after they already have content on their channel.

I'm surprised rrat is not the most subscribed of her gen. I mean, she's not even top 2 and just 1k above fauna, I expected rrat to be doing better

>>8589592
*sigh*
newfags do not understand how count works for holoMembers

Let's have an honest discussion. Irys is not a 600k youtuber. How did she avoid the algorithm?

>>8590058
It's all legit subs what are you talking about? Just like every other holos before council

>>8590058
Oh wow she's about to pass Niji main channel. Great, they will become a masochist at this point

>>8589918
>rrat
she EN member with JP timeslots, + most normies fixed their attention on Kronii. for most ppl she is either Ollie#2 or Gura#2, when Kronii is Calliope 2.0

>>8590229
Tomoe has like 230k subs and made $140,000 for her 3D, sub counts aren't everything.

>>8590275
>3D stream with her wife and friends made a shit ton of money
Color me surprised.

>>8590275
Yeah tell Kuzuha to stop begging about it and reach a milestone, ytjp had to shill even

>>8590275
>sub counts aren't everything.
I agree, but Tomoe was already a big SC earner before her 3D, like disproportionately big. For every Tomoe, there's a dozen 230k sub vtubers who don't get any SC.

>>8589855
Actually 6AM JST was added to the earlier time, while the 9 AM JST remained. She also changed time on the channel last sec, and everyone waiting on her channel saw it.

>>8588794
/u/ Clock is paizuring all NijiEN subs.
The only one heavily affected of this is Sana for some whatever reason.

>>8590365
Kuzuha 1 mil is going to be an event, given he's the first and the most popular.

>>8590413
For dozen tomoe there is one Rushia

>>8590457
Or it'll be like all his other milestone streams where he does a zatsudan then acknowledges it later when management finally does that Chronoir 3D live they've been promising for months

>>8590457
sub counts aren't everything, why it should be an event

>thinking SCs matter that much
10M views = $50k to $100k in ads alone

>>8590715
Because this thread can't numberfag ad revenue

>>8590365
>Kuzuha's 1 mil
>the biggest milestone in a history of vtubing
jeez, i hate chumbuds, but even they do NOT bragging about her subs as much.

By THE WAY
nijifags you can laugh about hologen2 as much as you want, But At the same time by (YOU)r logic it means that Gura/Korone/Pekora/Fubuki's sub count ARE legit

>>8590715
The view $ depends on video length, how long it is, how many ads are on it, and the video lifetime and rewatchability.
For example, Marine's 20 second shitposts won't generate as much revenue as a 1 hour vod

>>8590836
No no no, you don't understand!
All of it is bots.
You're a bot, I'm a bot.
He, she, they're a bot.
It's bots all the way down.
It's bots all the way up.
Every sub on every channel is a bot. None of them are real. All are forcefully acquired unlike the organic growth of Nijisanji.

>>8590275
>>8590413
Tomoe is odd because she appeals to both Gachikois and /u/

>>8590836
>>the biggest milestone in a history of vtubing
Nijisanji lives so rent free in your heads that you're seeing words that weren't even typed

>>8590794
>this thread can't numberfag ad revenue
are you
do you forbid me to do this because this ruin your narrative?

>>8590877
the half to 1 cent per view is youtube's general average, and the biggest hits are usually few minutes long. Marine short vids is the normal pay, while streams can pay way more per view, if you sit through the whole minute of those ads (or sometimes multiple ads if watching the vod)

>>8591065
No, I actually want to know ad revenue numbers but we'll never have access to their analytics and the best we can do is extrapolate from other people's insights like Hal or Pikamee because there are lots of factors that go into it like what ads are being played, who watched them, stream watchtime, etc
Those are numbers that are actually interesting rather than "duhh buff debuff"

>>8591149
They don't have "few minutes long" videos other than songs, their videos are either a few seconds or a few hours, and shorter videos like that don't generate as much money.
My point is, yes they do make a lot on ad revenue, but it's probably from vods and not from the short shitposts that have more views.

>>8591000
*sigh*
have you ever heard about exaggeration for comic effect? you are either newfag here or just dumbass?

>>8591281
fair point

So can Cover contact YouTube or something?

I found these new numbers

Nijisanji Cringe rating - 10/10 (pure cringe)
Hololive Cringe rating - 0/10 (pure kino)

>>8591634
seems legit

>Kronii's stream in 2 and a half hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WFU2wzPKfA
>Baelz's stream in 4 anda half hours
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfxIojed54Q
your predictions NumberBros

>>8591595
They can try but I doubt they'll get anywhere. Youtube is notoriously opague at the best of times and this isn't the best of times.
Honestly though it's infuriating for us but I doubt it matters that much to them, they are getting amazing stream numbers and assuming youtube stops over the next couple of days their sub count should shoot right back up to normal ina month or two

>>8591634
Council Meeting…

>>8590715
>Thinks stream vods have big monetization

>>8592013
What made they roll these changes honestly man, like it's counterproductive.

>>8590877
Its the opposite

>>8590562
Kanae's birthday was $90,000 and all he did was show a meme overlay.

>>8592062
At the very least, they get a HELL of a lot from YT premium.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLO5-IyS5pE
Discounting YT download fuckery, it does sound like its actually a pretty decent amount.

>>8592097
What did they even change to warrant fucking up the site like this?

>>8591457
>ESL
>roleplay asterisks

>>8592097
It isn't the first time YouTube's pajeets rolled out some changes that nobody asked for, and it won't be the last. Remember the live view change that we're still getting saddled with?

>>8592127
Videos have to be minimum 30 seconds long for ads to appear at the beginning or end, and videos shorter than 5 minutes can only have one ad, which generates way less revenue.

>>8588632
where's the anon that explains this? onegai

>Moona freetalk
1.4k
>Pomu freetalk
2.3k
Oh no no no, your Pekora leech is getting btfo, SEAniggers.

>>8592228
Hal already disclosed that they dont get that much

>>8592586
hey hey, nice to Moona, she's the only good one outside JP to do stuff with Pekora.

>>8592586
And Lryica is going to NijiEN Sasuga Lryica

who fucking woke up SEA? why are half the posts made in the last hour so retarded?

>>8592607
Hal gets sponsorships up the ass, Youtube revenue other than superchats might as well not exist.

>>8592672
what happened to shachi hype nijibros?

Come on gura you already 20k+ views for fuck sake stop stealing sana viewers!

>>8592773
>Shachi Hype
Oh we realized when Hololive got her that she’s boring as shit. Turns out 1M subs doesn’t mean anything.

>>8592948
She's actually gaining viewers still wtf gura? That's.....very unusual, usually she plateaus about an hour+ into the stream, but she's been climbing and is 25k now.
And Sana has been stable at around 7.7k. She's actually pretty competent at this, it's a nice surprise.

>>8592773
we got super based wosemi

>>8592586
it's morning talk, and why not compared it with the same branch ?

>>8593150
Every time something big happens in hololive Gura inclines, it's weird

>>8593150
Yeah, Gura's views keep climbing and Sana hasn't really lost that many at all. This is a very good sign for Hololive.

>>8592948
>stealing sana viewers
yesterday's stats
>Gura MC - 34k
>Sana ~zatsu - ~8k
today's stats
>Gura MC -20k
>Sana celest - ~8k
falsflagger

>>8593236
Because Pomu didn't leech the most popular talents in the company, SEAnigger bro.

>>8593150
Holoen 2 bringing new fans. I hope they stay.

>>8593060
>Oh we realized
>Turns out 1M subs doesn’t mean anything.
cope

>>8593150
She still has a monopoly on the cunny market. Cover unironically fucked up not making the brown EN2 a brown loli - she already has the face for it. The other ones seem to be doing fine.

>>8593367
you are just coping or the niji jp doesn't care about them schizotard chama ?

>>8593449
>monopoly on the cunny market.
"fufufu"

>>8593150
People who came to checkout Sana are leaving to go back to watching Gura.
Gura is inclining because En2 is bringing back her old viewers.
Everyone else from EN1 are suffering because they are competing with EN2 for the title of >Gura waiting room

>>8593659
Dana's viewcount hasn't fluctuated at all

>>8593150
Debut buff

>>8592586
thats it? aww poor pomu she should have more views coz you know? en branch? wht happen to her? are there any yabs that make her viewers that low? or its just her regular?

>>8592586
>using someone with some serious health problems right now as a tool for shitposting
despicable

>>8593659
Imo, if overall viewership increases due to EN2 bringing in both lapsed viewers + new viewers, that's likely enough to call it a success even if none of them hit Gura levels and some of En1 lose a bit. Before En2, there were definitely gaps in both types of personalities and times covered.
>>8593805
She's losing some views over time, she's at 7.3k now. But that's definitely partly due to the game, Celeste isn't something that can hold attention for more than 2 hours except for the most dedicated of viewers.

>>8594005
>>8594022
SEAmonkey cope lol

>>8592586
why are you comparing ID and EN members of group? lets be fair anon, show me nijiID's zatsu stats

>>8593659
I predicted this in the number threads, that Gura should get a boost from Gen2 bringing back some interest to HoloEN. My other prediction though, was that the Rat and Sana have more talent than some people were first assuming. I definitely argued for the Rat potential here. I don’t know, they just seem to show potential even though they’re lower.

>>8594428
Moona never speaks Indog and she has leeched popular talents such as Pekora and Subaru. No excuses here, SEAnigger.

>>8593413
But Anon the Owl is boring as shit you’re gonna have to cope with that.

>>8594243
no im legit asking tho

Know how Gura's VOD views are and how this stream has been gaining viewers on a consistent basis for a few hours now................this is going to have a massive VOD number isn't it?

>>8594592
pomu
>3k likes

Moona
>7k likes

>>8594428
Nijis don't talk about their other failed branches here, leave them alone

>>8594097
Do people really believe HoloEN2 will bring in new viewers?
Are there even any western weebs who don't know what Hololive is at this point?
Maybe in the future if the talents manage to carve out a niche.

>>8594243
B-but pomu is sea

>>8594702
Her Minecraft VOD views have been pretty ridiculous lately. The one yesterday is already at 750k in less than a day. Some of these will probably hit 1 mil over time.

>>8594799
and those faggot waiting until moona about to end the stream so he could get her lowest numbers

>>8594884
And she keeps getting views for a long time.
https://youtu.be/tQcV9eEH7fk
This old minecraft stream from 2020 is about to hit 1M too.

>>8594592
>Pekora and Subaru
>deflection
>No excuses
i see you do not follow your own steps
>SEAnigger
call me and another anons this slur, ok.
if so why do you keep comparing ID vtuber to EN vtuber?
>never speaks Indog
t. person never watched her streams

nijishitters cant stop losing

>>8594819
Irys brought in 5-7k viewers. Gura is hitting her normal MC numbers despite overlapping with Sana right now so any viewers Sana gets is "extra".
Doesn't matter if these people are new viewers or old viewers who fell off after finding out HoloMyth isn't for them, numbers are numbers.

>>8594819
>Do people really believe HoloEN2 will bring in new viewers?
Yes of course. It’s a combination of hype for the new Gen bringing back old fans who may have gotten bored of the limited variety, and the new VTubers generating new fans by better or preferred selections for the viewers.

>>8594799
>>8594946
Typical filthy EOP Holobronies liking streams without even watching them vs NijiChads actually watching their Vtubers

>>8595002
>999,995 views
>5 views away
Gonna refresh 5 times right now so I'll be the 1 millionth view.

>>8594629
>niji hyped over Sh**i
>Owl is boring as shit
am i coping here, i never asked for this bitch. only ppl told about her was nijibros

>>8594819
>Do people really believe HoloEN2 will bring in new viewers?
Yes, the problem with EN 1 is that they're too limited in a sense or in demand something? I don't know the word. Like today's TTRPG, there'd be people who would prefer not to listen to them and opting to watch fauna's gameplay. Both streams ends up getting ~40k in the end instead of pre-EN 2 where only ~20k people would watch the TTRPG because it's the only EN stream available. There are also those viewers that didn't watch for a long time, only to come back to see their interactions once the collab ban is over. EN 1 in the first few months was pretty lonely, because they're at the peak of the EN vtuber world.

>>8595030
Moona speaking Indog is a rare occasion, almost as rare as Pomu speaking Japanese. Cope. She's a pseudo-EN who has built herself on leeching, just like Ollie.

>>8595151
Typical filthy EOP nijiniggrs defending their vtubers from the bitter facts and live in their own schizos perfect world.

>>8595591
>cope
>deflection
nijishitters cant stop losing

HoloID Top 10 highest concurrent live views (holostats)
>20/12/04 62,025 Ollie Hololive debut
>20/12/05 54,410 Anya Hololive deub
>20/12/06 53,218 Reine Hololive deub
>21/08/16 52,687 Ollie Costume reveal
>21/06/24 47,148 Moona Usaken relay
>21/01/25 37,912 Iofi Akukin relay
>20/12/01 33,580 Moona Pekomoona first collab
>21/08/16 30,111 Anya Costume reveal
>21/08/16 26,042 Reine Costume reveal
>20/10/24 20,312 Moona Gurame moona collab

NijiEN Top 10 highest concurrent live views (nijimado+vnuma)
>21/07/18 15,263 Petra Nijisanji debut
>21/05/16 14,859 Elira Nijisanji debut
>21/07/18 14,220 Selen Nijisanji debut
>21/05/16 12,431 Pomu Nijisanji debut
>21/07/18 12,354 Rosemi Nijisanji debut
>21/05/16 9,317 Finana Nijisanji debut
>21/05/25 5,986 Elira 1st Genshin stream
>21/07/20 5,772 Selen 1st Apex stream
>21/08/17 5,713 Pomu Return stream
>21/06/27 5,448 Pomu God Knows 100+1 challenge

How do we save NijiEN?

>>8592097
They want to show the advertisers that they're working very hard to display only the "real" numbers.

>>8595030
>slur
Go back to Twitter.

>>8595908
NijiEN & NijiIID*

>>8595908
Stop worrying about them?
They're fine, earning plenty even if their views can't compare to HoloEN except for the most debuff of circumstances. Not much to be done except to keep grinding. Hololive basically has algo hax thanks to clippers and first-mover advantage. It'll take something monumental to shift them upwards significantly.

>>8595908
Where are all those holotourists now? Anya still can't get more than 1k.

>>8595908
no one, they want to compete with holoEn but failed, poor schizotard chama ITT

>>8595908
>nijiEN is smaller, better chats, and more fun
>holoEN is bigger, worse chats, and minecraft which is only watchable with Pekora

>>8595321
Oshi is a strong word but I'd say you're thinking of something that's a more casual form of it. People come for the streamers and the more types of personalities/streaming styles you have, the broader your appeal.

>>8595988
their JOP fanbase is not helping them at all. Compare their international karaoke relay vs holo minecraft relay. 2k (mixed jop/eop nijifans) vs 30k-50k (mixed jop/eop holofans). Nijijops don't even numberfag them see 2434analytics and 5ch

>>8596148
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF NIJINIGGERS

>>8596277
sorry nijiEN has no black people.

Sana however...

>>8595591
Reine is the biggest leech retard.

>8596148
>he says while he is in the number thread

>>8596148
>nijien is smaller
>holoen bigger

that is very nice of you, thank you

>>8596148
>nijiEN is smaller,
get the fuck out of numbers thread with your copium tribalfag

>>8596384
Pomu as MVP led Koshien to a 204,000 viewer stream, there is no copium.

>>8595908
dude that is not nice to bully the small, just said yes for whatever the nijiniggr said, so at least they can have a better day

>>8596148
>worse chats
Too fast
Can't read my beautiful name
>Hate