/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8502182
It's weird not seeing Kuzuha in the top 10. Also, Fauna peaked at 18k(?).

Any predictions for Sana and Mumei's first post-debut streams?

>>8503128
Because his non apex non tourney non special streams are usually that number but you're all newfags. App shilling also brings lower numbers to most if not all of Nijisanji.

>>8502182
>Fauna peaked at 18k
EN2 really is DOA outside of the clock, jesus

>>8503128
>Fauna peaked at 18k?
19k. So didn’t make list.

>>8503299
meant for >>8503128

>>8503173
>Any predictions for Sana
Gura is doing Minecraft on JP server one hour before Sana streams. I can’t see that working out good for Sana, especially since it’s JP server + Gura. Hard to pull viewers away from that.

>>8502182
home sweet home

>>8503173
>>8503674
+Sana has lowest amount of subs

>>8503742
I miss her.

I thought Wosemi would stay below 1k in this collab, but her number is okay so far. Already more than what Anya got in her last streams, so at least there's no one with CCV as shit as her in NijiEN yet.

https://twitter.com/ShibuyaHAL/status/1429694094910005250

Hal openly numberfagging Vsaikyou S3 numbers. Jokes aside, good for him.

>>8504182
I can't find the source for this but it's said he earned no money from this tournament specifically and paid for the prize items himself.

dont underestimate the power of Brownie today

Always cool when you see migration in effect. You can pinpoint the moment Kronii's stream ended and when Fauna's started and ended.

>>8504265
If Fauna couldn't break 20k overlapping with Ina and Kiara reading superchats, there's almost no way for Sana to break 20k overlapping with Gura. It's just too much of a hurdle.

>>8504182
Based, he mogged all the debuts hard

>>8503128
he will be on top 10 today. Dokuzuhonsha collab on his channel.

>>8503902
enjoy

>>8504265
This gotta be a tough fight for Sana. She has to face not only Gura but also Ame's comeback stream.

>>8504248
It's not just this tournament, every tournament he hosts he earns no money since the streams aren't monetized, the idea is to make it easier for everyone to join (without having to worry about fees). He at least has sponsors though.

>>8505435
Ouch, you’re right (pic). Sana is boxed between:
1. Gura on JP server.
2. Ame’s comeback.

What website do people use to find how much someone made on a stream from Supachats?

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>8506316
playboard

>>8506461
based copypaster

>>8503299
Fauna has Lamy's style. Low viewers, High SCs.

>>8506868
Quite possibly but we can't say for sure until they get monetized, that usually only takes a week or so though, maybe this time it will be longer because of all of fuckery happening with their channels

>>8506868
Lamy doesn't have a (confirmed) boyfriend

Jesas. EN2 just lost another 10k subs

i wonder just for how long it will keep going

>>8507128
It depends on the metric of "hours watched" for monetization iirc. IRyS unlocked it by the 13th when she debut'd on the 10th so it was pretty quick.

>>8507952
That seems to be the same one mentioned in previous thread.

>>8507477
not having boyfriend but yakuza husbando

>>8508352
i belive is after an amount of hours watched
the debuts alone and their first stream usualy is enough

I’m actually starting to wonder if Sana just doesn’t care about getting high live viewers. I also heard she was an artist too, but I don’t think we even heard that directly from her yet. She seems quite comfortable being at bottom.

>>8508421
Nope different one. Kronii was getting back to 240 but got axed again. I wonder if I falseflag on twitter and say YouTube is racist because they're targeting a black Aussie chuuba if they'd actually get off their ass?

>>8507952
Youtube really seems to hate Holo EN gen 2 for some reason, I also caan't see any comments under the newest Ceres stream.

>>8504265
with Kronk's voice she could much super successful

>>8508638
they revealed and credited her drawing at the end of yesterday's collab, so i imagine she will do drawing streams eventually, but just doesn't wanna make it her main thing

>>8505438
Hal I kneel

>>8508638
>She seems quite comfortable being at bottom.
just like certain chicken

>>8508997
Actually, it would be the exact opposite of Kiara, oddly enough. At least they seem to have complete opposite personalities.

>>8505438
Hal is the savior of JP vtubers, not only does he get big numbers but he gives so much exposure to many others.

>>8508572
There's more to it than that, when gen 4 debuted Coco and Kanata's got rejected for over a month (and then proceeded to massively mog their genmates, having a later monetization seems to increase the amount earned for the first stream). Seems like it was pretty smooth sailing for all major debuts since then though so maybe it was changed

Is there something like this for Holo?
https://twitter.com/2434livemoment/status/1429640062547808270

Also Chiichan I kneel

Today's superchats

>>8509387
what the fuck did happen to Oliver?

>>8509334
There isn't, but that's mostly because Holostats' existence I think?

HoloEN number comparison.
Gura at 33k.

>>8509645
Does holostats track hours streamed on the website? Or just in those monthly watch time charts

>>8509334
93 hours in 1 week good fucking god

>>8509334

>>8509731
>Kronii is the only one who kept up with Gura's viewership

She is seriously the major darkhorse from this gen, huh.

5k prestream for sana
man is not just that gura is on, is Gura IN THE GODDAM JP SERVER so people are tunning in just to see if someone else appears.

>>8509628
Looking at the vod he got a ton for the 1 month anniversary, but then the rest of Eden-gumi hardly saw any incline from theirs which is strange

>>8509876
Too early to tell. Much depends also on who they are up against. I assume after 1 week, we should have a better idea.

>>8509387
Reid: 3rd anni, new outfit, and merch announcement
Oliver: 1 month anni congrats SC
Rushia: MK8 challenge
Kanata: meme debut?
Akina: Released a cover
Noel: Drunk stream
Mori: Summer themed stream
Hakache: 300k congrats SC
Lamy: 1st anni congrats SC
Nene: Gacha SC
Fuwa: 400k congrats SC
Leos: 1 month anni congrats SC

>>8509731
Kiara's numbers have been getting worse and worse. Do people actually hate her?

>>8509969
It worse, because Ame is doing a “comeback stream” right over Sana very soon as well: >>8506165

>>8510218
she delayed 30 min

>>8505168
Ooo last one was Mario Party and got 60k.

https://twitter.com/Vamp_Kuzu/status/1429768640090411012
>47.7k likes on an announcement tweet
Sheesh.
Chaika instead of Honhima, but the numbers should be pretty ridiculous.

>Gura 32k
>Sana 7k
ok Shark killed Space

>>8509876
She did good today but she's on debut's buff
She needs to keep this same number of viewers or even higher for a few weeks in order to be someone capable of beating Gura regularly

>>8510803
+Kronii had the best time slot for EOP

No matter how you guys try to sell me other en chuubas, I would say Gura is miles ahead in terms of general stream quality

>>8510983
Wrong thread faggot

>>8510916
>>8510803
Kroni streamed at a time for both burgers and euros
and before any of the other ens and after jops finished.

>>8510983
>in terms of general stream quality
wrong thread chumbud

Male Apex indies having a great time right now

>>8510520
its on kuzuhas ch. his was the highest last year excluding the 3d one.

>>8509731
GURA MOGGED DESPITE JP MINECRAFT BUFF LMAO! YOU RETARDS KEEP SAYING GURA ISN'T RECLINING BUT THIS IS ALL THE PROOF WE NEED.
We thought Rrat was going to be the Gura killer, but it's actually Kronii.
I kneel.....

>>8510663
She was really dumb to go up against Gura. It's probably a short stream too, might aswell do it 1 hour before Gura.

>>8511083
i checked, she was the ONLY 1 holo who streammed so.. yeah

>>8510983
She is for literal 12 year olds. That's why her numbers are good. Pandering to kids is the easiest way to succeed on youtube.

>gura,ina and soon ame overlappin over sana
fucking brutal.
She will reach 10k but could easily get 20k in a later or sooner slot.

>>8510803
>She needs to keep this same number of viewers or even higher for a few weeks in order to be someone capable of beating Gura regularly
I mean, one glance at her schedule and we already know her numbers won't be crazy very soon. She'll be streaming at 9pm PST/ 12am EST for her other streams this week so she'll miss out on the east coast. Not an awful time for JOPs tho. Expecting anyone to be Gura-tier is frankly stupid anyways. You wouldn't expect a new JP vtuber to be Pekora/Kuzuha tier.

>>8510916
I would argue that 5pm PST/ 8pm EST slot is the best, but Kronii's stream time was good too with no overlap.

31.2 gura
9 Sana

Ame incoming in 17 mins. lets see how crowd is gonna to redistribute

Sana getting 10k despite going head to head with a massive Gura buff stream is pretty impressive. I was expecting 5k to be honest.

>>8511640
She stole at least 5k viewers from Gura. Fitting since she's black.

>>8511083
>Kroni streamed at a time for both burgers and euros and before any of the other ens and after jops finished.
Most people will still interpret that as the #1 Holo EN. Like this guy: >>8511157

Holy shit Sana is fucking boring. She is going to be in the bottom right next to chicken.

>>8511775
he will steal everyone who cant stomach MC

>>8511640
>10k despite going head to head with a massive Gura buff stream
10k isn't much but doesn't in this situation.
PPL should stop thinking that EVERY single EOP viewer like Gura and prefer her over other holos

>>8511778
Cope chumkek. Gura has JP Minecraft buff but can't beat Kronii playing a shit game.

>>8512046
>Kronii playing a shit game.
subjective

>>8511981
this is not a normal MC stream she is in the JP server, even people that dont watch her MC will check it just for the possibility of a jp interaction.

>>8511981
At least proofread your shit before you post. No one understands wtf you're talking about.

>leaving to check Sana's stream
>it's boring af
>going back to shark's stream

>>8512442
Typical chumkiddies with their 5 second attention span.

>>8512285
i know holo consider to be MD of vtubing but NOT everyone single EOP like Gura.

>>8512442
Sana's stream didn't lose viewers, so either the people coming in are making up the difference or Gura gained 2000 after losing the initial 4000.

>>8512706
Doesnt matter if they like her or not. Jp-EN interaction always attract viewers.

>>8512442
soo.. why d she have stable 10k+?

Pomu's numbers are still fine, I guess there is not much of a fanbase overlap after all.

>>8512911
Because her audience isn't full of 5 year olds

>>8512876
>Jp-EN interaction
was there any single one during her stream?
>interaction
dont chumbuds hate collabs?

>>8512911
people joining in more than people returning to guras stream.

>>8512911
Same amount of people entering and leaving

>>8512911
People checking the new meat, also only 10k for her first stream ever is fucking awful.

>>8513140
Speaking of Pomu's stream.
More proof youtube is fucking shit

>>8513140
She's raping Wosemi's and Finana's numbers though.

>>8513275
>he thinks this is proof of Youtube fucking with numbers
More like proof of NijiEN being shit

>>8513140
she is doing a buff event so she is reclining quite a bit if she cant go past 3k
then again>>8513275
but hard to know if that was alwasy there.
or it could be that she is against 3 hololive and nijien just overlaps too much with that fanbase.

>>8513404
The anon even underlined his point in red and you still missed it.

>>8513252
>only 10k for her first stream ever is fucking awful.
wasnt the original point "10k is really good for Sana since she is overlapping with BEEG Gura's stream"?

>>8513252
She has 10k talking about bread. Fucking bread. If she pulls shit numbers with a drawing stream I would then be concerned.

Gura back to 34k.
Sana never dropped from 10k.
Ame streaming soon.

>>8513275
Other NijiEN members below 1k in a collab is also quite low.

>>8513287
They're playing fucking league aren't they? No one wants to watch that shit game

>>8513275
>youtube
>30% cut.
>by the way no refunds

>>8513275
Nothing wrong here. There's always people entering and leaving.

>>8513275
people voted then tabbed out or switched

>>8513668
all of nijien has reclined compared to last 2 weeks.
not sure what can they do outside spamming apex

>>8513505
Yes, I saw that the poll had 3k, yet CCV is 2k, but who gives a shit about small 2view numbers

>>8513756
This is a viewer participation stream, and the polls are only up for about a minute

>>8513873
this, why number thread talking about those below 10k

>>8513563
>talking about bread. Fucking bread.
Ame s doing the same
>SASUGA most creative member of hololive!

HololiveEN number update

>>8513873
>>8514028
How new are you niggers to number threads? If you don't like it, get the fuck out.

NijiEN needs to start streaming on twitch. They would do much better there. Cross-twitch collabs just doesn't work for boosting numbers if you're on youtube and that's the only people they've collabed with so far.

>>8510176
Lamy was playing a horror game, SC reading was a few days ago

>>8514323
You're the newfag retard, since when did we talk about small fry numbers here.

>open Ame's stream
> she is talking about bread
....
Sana is bleeding viewer btw (already under 10k)

>Ame: Gura! what did you say her viewer level was
>Gura:SHE'S OVER 9000 !

Ame is streaming now too.

>>8514612
>since when did we talk about small fry numbers
not him, but numbers are numbers and this is numbers thread

>>8514421
Either the girls themselves don’t like it or the EN manager doesn’t which sucks. Ban Hada gets boosted to 400-500 viewers sometimes thanks to raids.

>>8514634
Sana lost ~1000, but her stream's basically done. She's free-talking now.
Gura lost ~2000
Ame gained 7000

>>8514917
Gura lost about 4k, she dropped to about 29k when Youtube was fucking up, then gained 2k

>>8514323
come back when your oshi can reach 10k post debut

>>8514277
I thought green Lammy was stronger than the jewrat, so far EN2 has been a letdown minus for clock.

>>8514917
>Ame has 7k+*
sounds more accurate

Ame added

>>8515002
Ya I didn't count the drop to 29000 because that was probably youtube being weird.

>>8511157
LMAO COPE
Literally no JP senpai online

>>8514839
yes, we gotta wait for jp prime time for big number for now its small fry number

7k for a comeback stream is kinda bad, I guess streaming at the same time as Gura is always going to be a debuff.

>>8515131
Lamy

>>8515067
>tfw when a rumored erotic patreon user hag is the face of EN2
Cunnyseurs...how are you holding?

>>8515250
try pekora for size, hakos holding 20k while overlap with pekora mk yesterday

>>8515169
Also Sana first stream post debut.

>>8515067
>green Lammy was stronger than the jewrat
potentially in the futuer, but Rat had great timeslot for JP, speaks JP
+ her model and voice reminds JPs of
>Ayame
>Shion
>Gura
>...
and
>smol
>cute JP accent
>cute laugh
>..
>profit
simple as that

>>8515510
A lot of retarded scheduling going on in this timeslot, but I guess it's more proof the girls don't care about numbers.

>>8515169
>streaming at the same time as Gura is always going to be a debuff..
..for Ame

>New Gen debuts
>Buffs Gura
Sugoi, I expected gura to get 20-23k today not 30k

>>8515845
It's JP Minecraft buff, not debut. Since when did Chumkiddies watch or care about other Vtubers

>>8515607
>don't care about numbers.
im starting to think gen2 member has no access to google doc with gen 1's schedule.
ps gen2 girls do not overlap with each others

We are witnessing holoEN eating themselves. Feels good to be a Nijichad You see that 2.8k Pomu is getting, holobronies? That's 2.8k not going to any of your streamers.

>>8515585
>potentially in the futuer, but Rat had great timeslot for JP, speaks JP
Pekora also marketed to her fanbase that Baelz is fluent in JP. Could boost her numbers in JP times.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4341SwCjw

>>8515510
>Also Sana first stream
And boxed between particular Gura and Ame streams that people were waiting to see. I don’t know what Cover was thinking. I think she needed at least one stream before facing this kind of pressure. It’s a perfect storm.

>>8514441
Yes, and if you open her stream people were sending big reds for congratulating her, sorry for the weird wording. All the ones where I specified SC are just fans dumping money when the stream isn't a celebration

>>8515845
Gura doesn't get any buffs or debuffs from the new girls, chumcucks will only watch Gura and her alone.

EN Gen 2 seems to be roughly comparable to the new Niji Edengumi in terms of debut and post-debut viewers so far. And also subs, despite the Youtube axing.

>>8516004
>Miss the kfp tags on the chat
Yeah, you are welcome

>>8515971
>>8516088
>Chumbuds don't care about other Vtubers
>Gets Buff from playing on a MC server of other Vtubers
Doesn't make sense.

>>8516058
pekor praise her so much, i thought she likes kiara??!

>>8515250
Lamy is doing hardcore retard

>>8515355
Nousagis will only watch Pekora and her alone

>>8516213
Gura's MC numbers were always high retard.
This whole buff spergs are just from newfags chumpedos. Because most of her fanbase do not care about the other Holos.

>>8510005
>>8510803
>>8511411
To clarify, I wasn't suggesting Kronii is on the turn of a dime going to be matching or beating Gura's numbers or something. Simply that it's impressive that she was able to match Gura's JP Minecraft numbers in her first game stream and that she's gone from middle of the pack numbers-wise in her gen to streaking past all of them.

Of course, time will tell, but she seems set to potentially be the top numbers generator of her gen.

>>8516112
>Kronii is Leos
> Fauna and Baelz are Lauren and Lain
>Sana is Oliver
It's DOOMED for Sana.
Jokes aside, this was clearly a short meme stream. She was done in 30 mins and transitioned to free-chat. That's why Ame postponed her stream by 30 mins, they probably communicated last minute.

Awful use of a debut buff, but from her schedule, it was already obvious that Sana intends on debuffing her numbers all the way.

>>8516510
>>Kronii is Leos
>> Fauna and Baelz are Lauren and Lain
>>Sana is Oliver
Huh?

>>8516223
Both Pekora and Kiara are being really nice with the rrat.
they probably thought she will be the Gura killer and thus are befriending her but is the clock who may be the actual cunny slayer

>>8516112
>EN Gen 2 seems to be roughly comparable to the new Niji Edengumi in terms of debut and post-debut viewers so far.
Not even close, Edens debut numbers were much better, blue and red apex guy had 40+k during their first apex stream, Leos was 55k, the girl was 22k and I don't remember Oliver, probably 10k.

>>8516510
kronii is a dude?

>>8516638
Anon said their numbers are similar to Edengumi so I was just listing their equivalents. It's a joke.

>>8516058
yeah Rat was pandering to JPs a lot, i surprised there is no much hate toward her (just like it was for Kiara)
+ she is going to dtream during JP tim so this is going to help her a LOT.
i bet she can be "Gura killer" for JP audience

>>8516638
Comparison to NijiJP new gen.
Granted, they had bigger numbers for their first streams post debut compared to EN2...but also reclined hard once the honeymoon phase was over. Only Leo and some collabs put them on good shape of numbers...barely.

>>8516083
>I don’t know what Cover was thinking?
they didnt.
btw this is hilerious to me that ppl acting like she is "Gura killer" of some sort and not the least subed gen2 channel.
didnt same ppl shit on her predebu?

>>8516952
Rrat pandering towards jp was nothing like Kiara's lol. Kiara's debut pretty much let the people know that she wanted to be a JP holo and was forcibly relocated on EN.

>>8517067
In what universe is ANYone going to keep their debut numbers in 2020/2021

>>8516112
>comparing this scuffed ENgen to edengumi

>>8516872
>debut numbers
Didn't only one of them break 90k?
>post-debut viewers
That's why I said roughly comparable, not equal or higher. So far you have 30k+, two 20ks and 10k for EN gen 2 while not doing any particularly buff activities (like Oliver and Lain).

>>8517216
>ppl acting like she is "Gura killer"
Stop taking stupid shit in split threads seriously. No one outside of this board considered for a second that Petra and Baelz were going to be "Gura killers".

>>8516004
this>>8516150

>>8517335
We're talking about their first streams, not debuts.

>>8517305
world in that anon head

>>8516952
>surprised there is no much hate toward her
Timeslot
Kiara tried to heavily pander towards JP audience on times in which EOP and non asian ESL were still awake. Also the novelty of Holo EN thus some people were annoyed that an EN was pandering to JP.
However, rrat may had learnt from Kiara and will pander to JP the right way despite she is an EN (like a fucking weaboo)

I stand by my earlier prediction that Rat-girl will be top Gen2. If you compare her to Time-girl, Rat seems way more comedy focused and engaging. Way smart too. Going to be very hard to beat her. I think people just see the current views for Time, and jumped to conclusion from it.

>>8516478
>Gura's MC numbers were always high
>24k
now
>34k

>>8516478
[MINECRAFT] Gawr Gura Demolition Derby Inc 19,233
[MINECRAFT] Axlotl TUBE build 24,046
[MINECRAFT] We bully the Enderdragon #HololiveEN 23,664
【MINECRAFT】Ferris Wheel HeII DAY 1 17,339
【MINECRAFT】Cute building with Kiara ! 14,948
【MINECRAFT】Summer Festival in JP server! 40,170
【MINECRAFT】make it all go boom (with friends) 23,682
[MINECRAFT] super minecraft bro's 21,923
[MINECRAFT] EN Server *jazz hands* 20,823

>>8517595
>【MINECRAFT】Cute building with Kiara ! 14,948
lol

>>8517067
Oliver>>8509387

>>8517541
>>8517595
the JP tag is real

>>8517595
>Summer festival in JP: 40k
There is your answer, if she ever get a "buff" on the JP server is from JP chumbuds. Also the time is JP friendly.

>>8517302
>Rrat pandering towards jp was nothing like Kiara
did you watch her stream after debu?
she spoke Japanese a lot.

>>8517702
>SC
Anon...

>>8517424
i was talking about Sana.

>>8517672
That was weird because its a 6 hour stream and it didn't get bigger numbers.

>>8517779
So chumbuds care about other vubers then? because her timeslot has always been JP friendly.

>>8517843
Yes, what about that?

>>8518010
>collab
>collab with kiara
That's not weird at all.

>>8517478
>pander to JP the "right way"
she is NOT Kiara already and has cunny model

>>8517437
>debuts and post-debut viewers
>Edens debut numbers were much better

>>8518098
At this point I am convinced Youtube has the word kiara on their shitlist

>>8518076
..
i see (you)

>>8517424
I think the term “Gura killer” is completely retarded. Having said that, I think Hakos still has a chance to beat Gura in live viewers. I base this entirely on her potential as a VTuber. I know this isn’t what anyone here believes anymore, but I will gladly stand by the opinion that people are underestimating the Rat now. In my opinion, she’s way smarter than the rest and a more talented VTuber. This doesn’t mean she will get higher live viewers, only that she has the most talent to do it from Gen2. And in time her numbers will increase. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. But I don’t think so.

>>8518010
>chumbuds care about other vubers
>With Kiara: 14k
>Almost full gen improptu collab: 23k
>On jp server alone: 40k y 30k+
Yeah no, just jp chumbuds

>>8518307
I wrote "their first apex stream", come on anon.

>>8518564
Would you be convinced that chumbuds watch other VTubers if I gave you an example of one (myself)?

>>8518652
He won't because he's either retarded or baiting. Stop responding to him.

>>8518528
Why bet on the rat when clock already has better numbers than her?

>>8518528
Although I don't agree that she will beat Gura since no other EN vtuber is even close to Gura, even the other members of Hololive. I do agree that she is going to be a star. She is super good at talking with chat and really entertaining. Also, don't under estimate the effect of her model. Its seriously god tier and its a freaking HD Live2D model. Seriously, did you see the resolution on that thing? I feel like I haven't seen a Live2D that pops like that ever.

Nijibros...it doesn't look good....are we gonna lose again?

>>8513140
Is it ballsy or idiotic to do a high-effort stream on the first day of HoloEN2 streams?

>>8518932
>No EN is close to Gura
>consistently mogged by Ina and Irys when they stream at the same time
Yeah right. Gura isn't even the Rrat's main competition

No amount of collabs will help you, AI

>>8519271
You are an idiot

>>8518876
>Why bet on the rat when clock already has better numbers than her?
Because I’m thinking long-term here. Time girl has a nice voice sure, but doesn’t come close to the Rat’s ability to entertain the chat. I would go as far to say that Rat girl is on another level entirely.
>>8518932
>I do agree that she is going to be a star. She is super good at talking with chat and really entertaining. Also, don't under estimate the effect of her model.
Agreed.

>>8519113
>gonna lose again?
what are (you) talking about nijibro? your small start up s doing fine

>>8519333
who's is the one in the left?

>>8519113
>he says this as Ame failed to get even 10k for her comeback stream and Pomu got 2.8k overlapping with a ton of people

>>8519333
She needs to collab with Hololive already.

>>8519421
>2.8k
PFFFT HAHAHAHAHAHA

>>8519259
>me like BEEG numbers

>>8519525
Hey that number is outlier for them ok?

>>8519421
Is 2.8k the new 20k for nijiEN? I swear people bring Selen's numbers up all the time as if they see 50k in her 5k Apex stream

>>8519452
we dont need your leech

>>8519626
sorry, sometimes I forgot

>>8519525
2.8k not going to any of your streamers. Seethe. Ame didn't reach 10k because of Pomu.

>>8519685
>because of pomu
HAHAHAHAHAHA PLS ANON, MY SIDES

>>8519525
Yeah! 2.8k is considered good if you live in the land of midgets. As HoloChads we don't even know about numbers that low and it barely registers to us. For NijiMidgets though that is a big number that is worthy of praise!!

not looking good holobros...

>>8519417
Hakase

>>8519760
>Ame gone for a week for a vacation
>Pomu gone for more than a month because of surgery

I took the bait guys. Ignore this fucker.

>>8519760
Damn, cancer-kun really carry pomu huh? the true MVP

>>8519685
>Ame didn't reach 10k because of Pomu.
>Pomu 2.8k
>Gura 34.5k

>>8519452
She can't. She would lose her chinese audience if she did that now.

HoloEN numbers update

>>8519755
Yes, many people dropped holoEN for NijiEN. It's a fact. Otherwise they wouldn't have reclined and NijiEN wouldn't have inclined. Pomu used to be below 1k in viewers early on.

>>8519760
sasuga saviorfags,impressive

>>8519886
How big is her Chinese audience again? I thought Ai China (at least on Youtube) was a flop

I unironically feel like Ame's tendency to not schedule streams on her channel until very close to when the streams actually go live is an under-acknowledged debuff.

Nearly every other channel I follow has their scheduled streams listed the day before and they all show up consistently in my Subscription feed. Meanwhile Ame only puts hers up a few hours before she goes live at best.

>>8519913
you mean before she begged for money and attention by exposing her condition? yeah, I remember that

>>8519913
>many people

>>8519864
>>8519867
>>8519967
What a cope. Her comeback stream was a week ago

>>8520086
hey, she needs to stop leeching cancer-kun

>>8520057
>self debuff
f i remember corectly she is theleast SCted holoEN

>>8520062
Keep huffing that copium, NijiEN will chip away at holoEN with 2-3k per liver every time they release a new batch, at this rate they only need to debut 6 more livers to be on par with hololive

>>8520086
>Her comeback stream
are (you ) fucking moron?>>8519760

>>8520057
tbf, JPs don't post their schedules either.
Ame debuffs herself all the time so if this is one, then it's just another one on the list. One of her biggest is commonly forgetting to tweet that she's streaming, like today for her comeback stream.
Come on, Watson.
https://twitter.com/watsonameliaEN

>>8520057
>few hours before
Try half an hour or less if you follow Polka

>>8520258
>chip away
great business model
btw, fuck off tribalfag

>>8520258
I need this guy's copium seems pretty strong

>>8520334
Oddly enough Ame seems to get her best numbers when she streams after Midnight. Those 1am EST streams she does always seem to get over 10k. Probably her degenerate gamer fanbase wanting something to watch when they stay up all night, lol. Whenever she streams during prime time or "Gura Hours" she never does as well. IRyS seemed to figure this out early which is why she usually starts streams at 11pm/12am EST.

>>8519760
Her viewers were also dangerously close despite Pomu having much less subs. 5.8k compared to 9.3k isn't a good look when you have literally 10 times more subs.

>>8519913
>Pomu used to be below 1k in viewers early on.
>NijiEN fan cant numberfag their own chuubas
lole

The worst stream ever for HoloEN would be an average number for NijiEN

>>8520591
Subs have basically no correlation to live viewers. You should know that. Besides you need to factor in the context of those numbers. 5.8k is pretty much the best stream that Pomu will ever do and it takes coming back from freaking cancer surgery to get that. 9.3k for Ame is pretty much her standard numbers but she can hit 18-20k when she is doing her more creative streams.

>>8520802
>average number for NijiEN
not in term of SCs

>>8513140
It's because unlike Hololive, Nijisanji are actually growing the Vtuber audience instead of just leeching off what's already there. They're not forcefully acquiring fans from the existing pool but building an actual culture in EN, just like what they did in Japan. It's a better and healthier approach if you actually love Vtubing and aren't in it for the money.

>>8521020
lol

>>8521020
>forcefully acquiring fans
timeloop. here we go again

Feeling threatened by rat korean skill kiara scheduled korean duolingo to get them Korean numbers

>8521020
>not forcefully acquiring fans from the existing pool but building an actual culture in EN
You retarded son?

>>8521020
> forcefully acquiring fans
> building an actual culture
ayy you're back

>>8520869
>Subs have basically NO correlation to live viewers
1. use better wording, or i ll consider you falseflagger
2.Gura's Vods views (not live viewers) but you can NOT just ignor it

Sana may as well graduate now with less than 10k viewers on her first post debut stream LOL

Buds I think Gura might be gosling for Fauna.

>>8521282
I don't recall how big was the difference between gura and kiara on their post debut streams?

>>8521282
sana has shown she clearly doesn't care about numbers, same reason she's largely hidden her artist powerlevel as well

>>8521103
>>8521175
>>8521122
this fagot>>8520258
>chip away
you were saying nijibros

>>8521095
>>8521103
>>8521175
ignore the falseflagger. He doesnt watch NijiEN and doesn't know what numbers pomu got in her early months.
>pomu used to be below 1k
doesn't even numberfag NijiENs

>>8521381
>sana
>doesn't care about numbers
don't make excuses for boring stream

LOWEST ranked VTuberers (see pic) for today.

The biggest casualty of gen 2 debut is IRyS

>>8521282
LOL, no she won't. She will carve out a nice niche for herself and have a nice vtubing career. As HololiveEN gets more and more viewers the favorites will rise to the top as opposed to people watch all of them. HoloJP has many that get what we would consider subpar viewership and that is ok. Like I said, as more and more get added there are bound to be some that get left behind, but even those ones left behind carve out their own nice niche of fans.

>>8521552
if you pick up much about her or her background, she clearly isn't in this for the views. she and ina come from a similar place and seem to have similar motivations to what they're doing and why

again, it seems pretty obvious to me

>>8521381
I'm sure Cover will be happy when Sana can't break 2k.

>>8521581
AHHH, the Nijifans finally found a list that will usually be dominated by Nijisanji. Congrats guys!! I'm proud of you.

>>8521359
Gura 47k
Kiara 26k

>>8521651
here we go again.
yes i know, but
don't make excuses for boring stream, OR say nothing if you didnt watch it

>>8521593
She got killed by his own father, huke, redjuice and the menhera that made azki were enough proof that concept artist just aren't made for live2d.

>>8521552
she is doing kusoge mondays
so buff streams arent her focus.

>>8521185
But we can ignore Gura's vodviews and we shouls because we have found irrefutable proof of Chumkiddies viewbotting and gaming the system by spam refreshing

>>8521593
You must mean gen 2 by NijiEN2 because now Gurin and Rosemi stream around 1k.

There are admittedly a lot of people in this board that dropped holoEN for NijiEN and holobronies still don't want to admit the reality. EN2 isn't bringing any people back to them, it's just cannibalizing the existing audience.

>>8521767
i'm not making excuses, i'm simply stating something

whether that something is good or bad is entirely up to the person looking at it

>>8521729
I did a lowest ranked list to show perspective. Many people don’t realize the gap between 1-10 and 90-100. So people are used to thinking 20k is always needed, and don’t understand just how difficult that is to get to begin with.

>>8521381
She's just scared of beign compared to ina, either in skills or being labeled a copycat, I think that's the reason why she acts as the polar oposite of her and tries to hide the fact that she's a big name artist too.

>>8521873
anon, let this conversation be polite.
last time
don't make excuses for This boring stream, OR say nothing if you didnt watch it

ps i was open minded towards her character and like her design.

>>8522095
They need an exponential growth in subscribers to get a linear growth in live viewers

>>8522048
>super vague "answer"
..
moving on!

>>8521873
Oh yeah she is the kusoge girl. Numbers are not her focus if so.

>>8521873
She did the worst post debut stream ever for HoloEN, there's no excuse for this

>>8522026
>a LOT of people in this board
try again

>>8522560
>holoEN 'mysteriously' reclines in viewers ever since NijiEN debuts
>NijiEN inclines
It's as simple as putting 1+1 together.

>>8522026
Stop thinking this board is indicative of the entirety of the Vtuber audience. Most of the retards here would tell you that Gura is the most boring, unlikeable, soulless Vtuber yet she's still one of the most popular. Or how Kuzuha is the #1 Vtuber based on CCV but ask any casual Vtuber watcher and they won't even know about him

>>8522560
Not wrong. This board has a thousand or so people and most of them have dropped holoEN for NijiEN.

>>8522672
proof?

>>8522675
Most casual Vtuber watchers in Japan would know Kuzuha over any holo, anon.

>>8522785
Follow the convo please we are talking about this board

>>8522688

>>8522688
>people in this board
>dropped holoEN
shizo filtered, god bless

>>8522827
No, you were just saying this board isn't indicative of the entirety of the Vtuber audience. You're right on that point but you're wrong that no one knows about Kuzuha amongst the casuals.

>>8522688
made me laugh, here's your (You)

>>8522688
Very good LARP sir!

>>8520258
>From Obsydia only Selen constanly get above 1k viewers. Rosemi and the Penguin depends heavily on what they are doing
>Lazulight's fish hasn't inclined at all since debut
>Selenlaughingatyourdick.jpg

>>8521643
Don't overdose on copium dude

>>8523387
How is it cope? As the roster gets bigger its only natural that some will get less viewers than others. There will be a Roboco and there will be a Pekora. Just because Pekora gets much more viewers doesn't mean Roboco doesn't have fans and doesn't do well for herself.

>>8519333
Ai is a yukimin. I wonder how many Chinese fans she has. Maybe that's why it's limiting her from collabing with Lamy.

>>8524051
Rather than fans, sponsorships and investors from China are probably a bigger concern. She can't afford to trigger anyone given that she relies more on sponsorships than streaming as a source of income.

>>8523497
You're right, but you should've stopped responding 2 posts ago. Don't respond to bait.

>>8522688
>This board has a thousand or so people and most of them have dropped holoEN for NijiEN

>>8522688
>a thousand or so people and most of them have dropped holoEN for NijiEN.
I didn't know this board consisted of 1/2 of NijiEN's viewerbase.

>>8521020
>Nijisanji are actually growing the Vtuber audience instead of just leeching
LMAO Kuzushit literally is the biggest leech in vtuber world

>>8524051
her black company will never allow that

>>8521698
>can't break 2k
Newfag doesn't know where Hololive started. Sora and Roboco have been around for 3 years.

>>8524051
Might as well be irrelevant anywhere other than China and as a marketing mascot in Japan. She is carried hard by being the first vtuber (she coined the term after all).
Her expansion into the west was a huge failure and she dropped vshojo after they didn't show any noticeable results after her concert with nyanners. She is forever tainted with the whole scandal with her former retarded management for westerners.

>>8524246
>>8524488
That's quite unfortunate. I bet Hololive collabs will help boost Ai back into relevance in terms of youtube. I heard she's doing pretty well on tic tok

>>8524408
>a thousand or so people and most of them have dropped holoEN for NijiEN.
>Nijisanji are actually growing the Vtuber audience instead of just leeching
pick one

>>8524618
i watched her WAY back and it is always hurt my heart to see this girl, knowing what a shit of a company she part of

>>8524556
Remember when Roboco was considered to be one of the New Four Kings
Jesus, what happened

>>8524574
>She is forever tainted with the whole scandal with her former retarded management for westerners.
offtopic but qrd pls

>>8524737
I'm willing to bet she really wants to collab with Lamy because couldn't take that risk. Totally understandable from a financial point of view. Hololive would tank her Chinese demographic.

>>8524574
The concert with Nyanners was less than four months ago, she also shows up on actual mainstream western festivals like Secret Sky.

>>8524983
>couldn't take that risk
i don't think she's making Any decisions

>>8524857
How new?
When Ai was at the top in the west is around the same time the VA replacement scandal happened. All the tabloid sites like Kotaku reported that they were forcing the VA out and replacing her.

>>8525147
>VA replacement
knew about that
>forcing the VA out
this is new for me

People need to realize that EN Council can't be directly compared to Holo Myth, especially right after debut. Kiara used to be the smallest EN by a lot and still ended up catching up to Ina later on and makes more spacha income than Gura ( though that is mainly because of her doing more spacha focused streams and really more streams in general). In a few months, Sana might catch up to the others, and Fauna might be the spacha queen and Hakos might reclaim the top spot. It's far too early to tell right now, especially when Susan is slashing their numbers at disproportionate rates.

>Gura getting a meh number on her JP server stream
>Ame getting a shit number on her comeback stream
>Ina getting a lower number on her stream
>Kiara getting a shit number on Mario Kart
EN2 is cannibalizing EN1. The Nijichads won.

>>8526756
>Kronii and Gura both mog nijishits today
>Nijiniggers still think they win
Absolutely sad

here is (you)r (you).
now fuck off

>>8525297
It's what a lot of the rags were saying, and it wasn't helped by Upd8 not just stating what their plans were.
Here's an example:
https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-08-13/chinese-kizuna-ai-fans-revolt-amid-rumors-that-the-original-voice-actress-is-being-phased-out/.149993
Chinese fans for this article, but indicative of all markets imo. Rrats ran unchecked for too long because upd8 were being idiots with the entire situation, not realizing, much like Gamebu, that you cannot just change the person behind the avatar and pretend its the same.

As a result, Ai basically was 'written off' by those who didn't get the full story, and Ai basically had her growth gutted as a result. Then HoloEN comes along, and her growth in the EN market basically died as a result since Hololive came to dominate the mindshare of what a v-tuber is in the western markets, with the exception of V-shojo.
History lessons aside...
>>8526520
Yea. Fucking YT still slashing subs, I do hope someone from the EN management checks in with YT if it continues past this first week, because this is getting a bit ridiculous.

>>8527038
sad that you answering to shitter

>>8526756
You are crazy

Gura got a very good number and all the others got their usual viewership for the type of games they were playing. Ame's come back stream also wasn't a huge event or anything, lol. She was coming back from vacation, not anything serious. You also forgot IRyS who got close to 9k which is, again, her usual viewership when she streams in that time slot. EN1 didn't get cannibalized at all.

>>8526756
>Ame was getting shit numbers on her comeback stream
Because she was overlapping Gura ESLretard

God, you EN cunts are insufferable. Stop responding to obvious bait you nignogs.

>>8527137
Kiara previous Mario Kart: 4,695 / 8,283
Kiara Mario Kart today: 3,407 / 5,794
Nuff said.
>You also forgot IRyS who got close to 9k which is
She got chumkiddy tourist viewers from Gura ending and they dropped out quickly. She's at 8k right now. Previous one was 10k.

>>8527097
>As a result, Ai basically was 'written off'
this happened because of moronic management pushed numerous crappy mobile game ads into her videos.
at the same time her "gaming channel" with lets play was pretty good for a time.
also this >>8524737
this is hilarious disaster how those morons lost EN market

>>8519421
>2.8k

Imagine bragging about this

>>8527419
>2.8k for a virginbait stream
That's pretty sad numbers nijibros

>>8527357
>Kiara
*sigh*
>4 hour stream
>Half of it 2 hours(!) was SC reading
she was stable 5k+ overlaping with Ina (both started their streams at the same time)
now fuck off falseflagger

>>8527505
Thankfully Pomu doesn't do virginbait shit like Ame and that stream was an ARG masterpiece. Only think she did wrong numberswise was not sopping up the supas by ending early instead

>>8527505
oh shit this was "dating" stream?!

I looked at Sana’s schedule, and it seems like she is going to continue be streaming during Gura’s stream. Not the best way to start a channel. Maybe after she gets an established fanbase, then sure. But not before then.

>>8527674
Perhaps she's doing what IRyS is doing, or her non-holo stuff is, much like Ina, taking up a portion of her day where she can't stream otherwise.
We won't know for sure until next week's schedule.
Also, TTRPG on Ina's channel, during Ina's primetime. Going to be interesting seeing the numbers, but I'm willing to bet that this sessions numbers are going to be higher than the previous session by virtue of NOT being on Kiara's channel.

>>8527674
gura as the ttrpg tomrrow so she isnt streaming.
Gura dmc also works onher favor.
i would say move to irys slot but who knows.
IMO numbers wont be settle until the collab ban is gone and we see a second incline with the collabs from EN1 and also JP for rat and sana since they know japanese.

>>8527576
>4 hour stream
She hit her peak 40 mins in on the previous one.
>overlaping with Ina
Overlap with a single person is not significant and Kiara does not share many viewers with Ina. The only overlaps that actually hurt viewers a lot are EN2 overlaps from what we've seen so far, because they are cannibalizing EN1.

>>8527674
Yea, Sana is looking like a lost case to me already.

>>8527843
>gura as the ttrpg tomrrow so she isnt streaming
She's streaming either Minecraft or 12 mintues right after the TTRPG ends, she said so in her last stream.

>>8527875
she was ovelapping with kroni too

Damn, Gura ended and immediately had the same amount of views as Kronii’s VOD which had several hours to grow

>>8527875
this>>8528101
>She hit her peak 40 mins
same for other girls (i checked Ina's and Gura's stream)

>>8528101
Yes and she hit her peak as soon as Kronii ended, but it was still not very high.

>>8528259
wtf?
they both streammed 4h

>>8502182
alright gentlemen, where do i see the sub count graph over time for the first month of EN gen 1

>>8521282
So all NijiEN are graduating?

>>8521282
gura was streaming JP minecraft with 30k, siphoned views away

>>8528679
stop bulling small startups. have some dignity

Not gonna respond to bait, but it's always funny when doomposters say Kiara is dying.
She literally got 9.2k in the International Holo Gartic phone collab 2 days ago and was the 2nd most viewed stream, right after Subaru. This collab overlapped with the full HoloGen 3 MC HC collab as well.

>>8528204
More proof that Chumkiddies just tab in and out, so they count as multiple views, compared to Kronii keeping a higher average CCV

>>8529693
Could also be the drawing buff since Kiara is a pretty damn good artist. For EN fans watching you had either her or IRyS and IRyS can only draw stick figures, lol.

>>8529693
>Kiara stream: mostly speaking in English
>Irys stream: speaking in Japanese even when they have discord/mic muted
Gee, I wonder why the EOPs watched Kiara instead

>>8529714
Gura’s stream was also longer but you could just shitpost instead I suppose

>>8529693
And what's her number on mk compared to rest of EN stream today?

>>8529714
>Tab in and out
Cope because Gura's viewers are across different timezones retard

>>8529693
sadly enough because now doomposters will say"Kiara is leching"
or>>8529771
>drawing buff
or>>8529842
>EOPs watched Kiara instead
btw what about Ollie and Reine? both are better as artists (you can check collab by yourself)

mb.. just mb she is good entertainer

>>8530043
she overlaped with Kronii(`35k) and Ina(6k) + read SC half of a stream
>>8529927
>Gura’s stream was also longer
by 1.40h?
+her audience droped for last 2h (SC)
https://piyo.chats.ninja/video/youtube/nKHypEjnRXE
at the same time Kronii's audience was stable ~35k for 3 hours
+this>>8530147
>Tab in and out
im not sure what d you mean by "cope"

>Ina killer

>>8530160
Anon, I was complimenting Kiara by saying how good of an artist she was. No idea why you called me out.

>>8526756
Did retards really think HoloEN2 will bring new viewers?

>>8530811
what is your predictions about NijiENgen2 and NijiENMalegen1 wide anon?

Numbers update

>>8530970
I don't know, NijiEN is still obscure and unknown to EOPs/SEAnigs that only heard about Hololive.

>>8531269
ty anon

>>8530970
like holoen2 they will cannibalize each other.

>>8530811
I expected the bored/old fans to come back to watch EN2
But it looks like all the old gura fans watched a bit on EN2 then remembered Gura exists and they would rather watch her.

>>8531491
to be genuine for a second successful Male Gen could bring many new viewer.
just take a look how hyped was ppl about Omegaaplha thinking they are going to be 1st male HoloEN

>>8531603
by new viewer, do you mean existing vtuber fans from other places/org or normies (as in new vtuber fan). I can see it taking the homostar viewers.

>>8531603
That's just wishful thinking. They'd rather have HolostarsEN than male vtuber in NijiEN

>>8530811
I know I said "If gen2 is able to grow the audience". Debut + 1st stream is way too fucking soon to make any judgement calls on that front, but it does look like at the very least there will be less dead hours and Kronii may nab a section of the week fanbase that wasn't interested in Hololive before, maybe.
Long term effects require more data.

>>8531712
>homostar
this is west so we dont know. ppl really like astel and rober for example

i meant actual new (nonJP) viewers

>>8531712
Judging by the Nijisanji clips commenter names as well as amount of clips for the male talents theres a good portion of female nijisanji fans.
I think there will be a large amount of new viewers who are willing to give NijiEnMales a shot.

A successful male in HoloEN is very difficult. The current audience isn’t built for that, and VTubers like Kuzuha aren’t typical. Then it could even hurt things a bit, potentially anyway.

>>8531869
>i meant actual new (nonJP) viewers
I doubt it then. like anon said >>8531333 brand is literally who

>>8531746
>wishful
to be fair 1 single male EN vtuber in holo would be disaster.
just give ppl gen of 3 vtubers

>>8531269
I love that gradual decline with that Niji show same with Fuwa's thing, They get hyped for something then toss it away a couple of weeks later.

HoloEN having more variety actually does grow the market. The difficulty in seeing that is because some of that growth becomes more spread out as people take a liking to certain streamers. As EN grows in size as JP did, it will grow the market as well. The only thing that confuses people is that it creates winners and losers of VTubers.

>>8531989
The format of the show is the same as Fuwa's morning streams, more popular guest = bigger number. If they get Kuzuha, it'll be 40k+ again.

>>8532094
>If they get Kuzuha
Nijisanji is one hell of a one-trick pony.

>>8513729
That's a feature though, it prevents people like the chinks from sending red superchats for attention and demanding a refund afterwards.