/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>>8457461
There is nothing to worry
Gura killer is about to debut

EN1 was lightning in a bottle and pure stroke of luck by Cover. People have speculated for months that the next generation won't live up to the hype and that gen1 was a freak accident and HoloCouncil have pretty much proven that. Things could change in the next couple of weeks, but I doubt it.

>>8457461
Cope nigger, gen 1 is irrelevant now that we have actually good EN holos

>>8457550
Will it be another shit aussie? I cant imagine a worse accent.

>>8457461
>Kronii is the only one who actually made me feel excited during her debut.
thats more than you can say about any of EN1

>>8457550
Nice, we can finally anti EN management properly.

>>8457461
Because American management was involved in scouting and the general direction of the whole thing. For example that heavy lore shit

>>8457461
its really hard to top the most popular set of vtubers in all of vtubing, anon. be happy that at least one holds a candle to them.
besides, its just their debuts. ame had the shittiest debut ever and now she has a thread full of goslings, itll turn around.

>>8457550
>Management turns out to be shit
>Cant fire her easily because she is a chuuba in your payroll
What did they mean by this?

>>8457768
>ame had the shittiest debut ever
Not anymore, Anon. Did you watch Mumei?

There's an inverse relation between how much smoke management tries to blow up your ass and the quality of the chuuba.

>>8457861
Pretty sure Korone was worse. As long as they are entertaining it all just becomes a part of their lore, the real one and not the forced one at debut.

>>8457461
Well you could support time girl or just watch the jp's

>>8457461
>>Kronii is the only one who actually made me feel excited during her debut.
But why, she was the most annoying one and the biggest let down. Just the worst things about Gura and Ollie together.

>>8457943
The loreshit was a mistake, they should've just kept it simple instead of going over the top.

>>8457992
oh sorry i am sleep deprived though you mean the rat

>>8457996
This. That loreshit was useless. They are going to discard it from their second stream kek

Reminder that if you like Gura and Kroni you should hang yourself.

>>8457461
Don't shitpost with my oshi
You're not wrong, Kronii is the best out of gen 2

>drama filled whores
Take your meds you nigger

>>8457996
So just watch pokimane then retard. Or some boring thot like Gura

Gen 1 for entertainment.
Gen 2 for porn.

>>8458345
Do your reps nigger

>>8458482
>Gen 1 for entertainment
They're literally the most boring autistic whores in Hololive

>>8457943
>>8457996
>>8458084
>literal who tech company
>took a chance on sora & achan
>took a chance on the idol angle
>took a chance on streaming
>took a chance on EN vtubers
>now taking a chance on worldbuilding and cohesive lore
you haven't been paying attention. innovation is what drove hololive to be the best in the industry. suggesting them to be stagnant is the worst thing they could possibly do.

>>8457461
I had high hopes for rat-Gura, but Mumei was the only one I enjoyed. The rest were boring or relied on HURR DURR MOMMY bullshit.

>>8457461
>Kronii is the only one who actually made me feel excited during her debut.
She is a fujo. They all suck.

>>8458597
Niggers complaining about lore are fucking stupid lmao, it's literally free marketing, people will make memes, discussions, anything for people to DISCUSS, MARKETING.

>>8458597
I guess you didn't watch the Matsuri holotalk where she explains that during their first year and more gen 1 was given no financial support whatsoever from holo and that some of them streamed on laptops for months and they all had to buy their own equipment and upgrades. Yagoo is a fucking millionaire and he didn't even give a fuck to hook the girls up with proper gear to make sure the venture would be successful. Holo spent no money on them and yet he knew they woukd be financially successful and it paid off. I lost all respect for cover and yagoo after that interview.

>>8457550
that's the holo en 2 manager my dog

>>8457551
Maybe they were six months too late.

>>8459303
anon that's how all small indie companies start. Nijisanji used to literally have only 3 employees in the whole company and they didn't have money to even make 3D. It was only thanks to Mito blowing up and NND offering her free 3D that they took up. Deron said shit was so bad she was planning tp leave Nijisanji after 6 months

>>8457656
99.99% chance it will be Brazilian.

>>8459303
Are you actually suggesting Yagoo was millionare on the first Hololive year?
Fucking idiot

>>8457461
>le_tired_shark.jpeg
kill yourself

>>8457550
Vproducer

Is the constant doomposting a bit or do people genuinely feel that the debuts were so disastrous that EN2 can't recover from it?

They were honestly fine and they'll improve with time, just like all vtubers.

>>8459533
DEUS POR FAVOR

>>8459625
it's doomniggers being doomniggers. they've been doing it since forever

>>8457461
Hear me out, anon.
What if I told you that Cover expects most of the girls not to gel with you, and releases 3-5 at a time expecting you to only gosling for 1 of them.
In other words, Council was a success.

>>8459537
he is a retard but theyre still pulling this shit. mori debuted at like 15 fps with stuttering, kiara had a 2nd hand mic she got from mori because she couldn't afford her own.

ok fair enough whatever, en was a gamble (not really an excuse considering polka debuted a few months earlier with a fucking vista pc)

gen 2 happens and mumei is clearly streaming on an old ass laptop and is 30 fps

literal who "esports" stream teams and twitch sponsors will ship people custom built pcs because they want their brand to be repped properly and its an absolute drop in the bucket compared to what theyll make off it, meanwhile cover is making millions upon millions directly from their fans and they can't even buy the girls a working computer.

cover give their talents garbage support because they know they don't need to, it doesn't harm their bottom line, but it does harm the chuuba herself when shes stressing over all this bullshit that she shouldn't have to worry about when shes about to debut to audiences of like 70k. awful company.

>>8459568
I will but you go first

>>8459691
I say they failed for myth because they were all good.

>>8459533
At least they make for good sluts.

>>8457861
Unless you overdosed on hopium Mumei's debut was the definition of bog standard vtuber debut.

>>8459784
Weren't a few of the girls (at least one JP, and one IN) straight up homeless, streaming from laptops in the back seat of their cars for a month after debut?

>>8459784
Those girls make a shitload of money once they've debuted, they can pay for it themselves. Cover is not gonna give them expensive equipment before their debuts in case an Aloe or Hitomi happens.

I agree Cover should do more for their talents, but the equipment shit is only a problem for the first few weeks.

>>8459503
No, most small indie companies are not co-funded/co-created by a millionaire who doesn't give any money or resources to the team they hire.
>>8459537
>>8459784
Thank you. Yes cover is a relatively new company but yagoo isn't a fckn kid he's a wealthy business man and has been for a long time. He literally could've spent less than 10K out of his own pocket on gen1 and 2 to help make sure it worked. But like I, and the other poster said, they don't care and they don't need to because they'll profit either way

No Ky0resu among the new members. Sad

>>8459303
Thats 99% of the industry anon, Niji and Hololive only give them iphones. I know Tsunderia gave Miki/Rosemi a new computer only for her to leave them for NijiEN lol

They shouldn't have allowed money hungry western old men do the scouting. HoloEn biggest disease is its management.

You will like it that they have boyfriends and you will send them money,

>>8459891
Kicked out of their house due to COOF

>>8459784
>cover give their talents garbage support because they know they don't need to, it doesn't harm their bottom line, but it does harm the chuuba herself when shes stressing over all this bullshit that she shouldn't have to worry about when shes about to debut to audiences of like 70k. awful company.
Is it just a matter of either logistic or the talents' demands? IRyS said that she requested a computer from Cover without any specification (since she didn't know that much about it) and going by her MC streams, they sent her a pretty decent one. Some of the earlier gens aside, didn't someone from the 3rd or 4th gen said that Cover allow them to take advances of their future salaries / SCs to buy new rigs if needed?
I wonder if Mumei's (or any recent talent with bad setups) issue was just because she didn't ask Cover for support and thought her old rig was enough

>>8457783
Corporate overreach.

>>8465012
Remember anon Irys is a vsinger directly under hololive. They might be biased to her needs.

>>8458597
> innovation
Please anon, cover is about as innovative as my ass.

>>8457550
This time for sure!

>>8457461
I don't even watch holoEN but I'll give this a free coping mechanism, debuts are always shit or at most , mediocre.

vtubers change quite a lot from the start to a few weeks in.

You guys weren't kidding when you said Chum Buds only watch Gura and nobody else

>>8465814
>You guys weren't kidding when you said Chum Buds only watch Gura and nobody else
Can't say i blame them

>>8458531
Clearly never watched any of the jp girls

It’s retarded to judge someone’s content by watching a first time one hour stream tbqh

How the fuck do people like Kronii and literally nobody else, she's cringy as shit and reminds me of fucking Mori

>>8458597
They are newfags that only discovered Hololive because of some meme.

Give it time. I used to think Ina was way too fucking boring but these days she's my second favorite Holo.

I just hope Kronii wont be the lazy type.

>>8457550
Why this makes me remember to loserbait?

>>8457550
only way gura ever gets mogged is if Coke releases a cunny vtuber who sings professionally and plays Crusader Kings 3

I know anon is not the same person. However, it amuses me to see Gen1 being glorified when the board shits on kiara, mori or gura for breathing.

>>8466180
The power of horny blinds people to the cringe. I'd say she unironically had the worst debut of the lot.

>>8466404
This. People bitched about mori saying 5% of her time went into streaming. This bitch gives 1% at best from debut indication

>>8457461
Nigger you would've said the same during gen 1's debut if you weren't such a raging newfag.

Gen 2 is thick with esl. They make Kiara sound good.

>>8466734
That's just impossible anon.

>>8466734
shit take especially when there's only one ESL
Would still be a shit take even if there were 5 ESLs

>>8466578
The Mori 5% thing is a nothingburger and Kronii makes my dick hard. Seethe more faggot.

>>8467064
If Sana, Clock, and Rat are not esl they are straight retarded.

>>8467149
>they are straight retarded
Yes
>>8467102
they both have maximum lazy whore energy so I guess that's what makes your dick hard

>>8467149
Why does this shock you?

>>8457861
korone's debut was soo bad she had to have okayu come in 20 mins in and bail her out.

>>8457461
Well said, Gura

>>8468025
None of the newfags in here arguing about EN shit were around for that.

>>8466325
Is asking for RTS that nobody will watch a new joke that I'm missing? Every single time you spergs come up with that shit

>>8467149
>vtuber
>straight retarded
yes, that's why we're here

>>8458597
>innovation
time and time again they've proven that loreshit will never stick, the girls ditch their lore like a week in, and nobody but (you) wil care.

>>8459891
No , that was Moona, and she is rich as fuck, she was only streaming from her car because she was on quarantine.

>>8457461
>EN1 debuts:

>Mori:

Terrible mess full of technical issues and spaghetti. Only saved by original song.

>Gura

Terrible boring mess only saved by her cover.

>Ina

Boring as fuck nothing happens stream saved only by her drawing skills.

>Kiara

Fucking pathetic in every way. So bad people were laughing about it months later.

>Ame

I don't even know where to start.


But yes, let's pretend EN2 debuts were bad. First gen was only saved by being the first EN pandering big vtuber group and fucking pandemic keeping everybody glued to screens for months.

>>8457461
Looks like Holo's days are numbered.
Their new members are not good enough to stop their recline.

>>8468646
Yeah. People get over hype including me. I think sana and kronii are pretty interesting. Can't wait for the rest to stream and see how their personalities gonna play out.

>>8468646
There's no need in pretending. EN2 debuts were bad.

>>8457461
Less than 24h and Kroniggers are already annoying.

>>8468738
Still way better than gen1.

>>8468854
Judging by their thread, they will die from dehydration very very soon

>>8457461
All the good diamond in the rough indies were snatched up by Nijisanji and other small companies.
EN2 are girls who had big numbers in their PLs and Ina's drawing buddies.

>>8468683
Or maybe markets don't just grow infinitely like the jews would have you believe?
There is such a thing as saturation.

>>8468646
Hololive as a whole is yet another proof that people would flock to anything with a large enough marketing budget. But I can't complain, it's a good containment.

>>8465814
Why would you watch anyone else once you have watched gura

>>8457461
>drama
what drama, you're not run out of hopium, you're out of your schizo meds

>>8457996
loreshit is cringe, but you're completely wrong. meta-universe loreshit has been extremely successful for the past decade, just look at MCU. """nerd culture""" is popular and very profitable because people like that shit.

>>8457461
They were second. That's it. EN1 had first mover advantage.

>>8457550
Unironically hype for white power chuba.

>>8471528
nts. but the problem isn't that they did loreshit, it's that they did it badly. It's just incoherent bollocks.

>>8471678
This. Hololive has soulless corporate dogshit lore which was written solely for marketing. It's easy distinguish between passionate writings and sterile fast food tier writing. Holo lore is cringe because none of the girls or company are actual chuunis.

>>8457461
>Gen 2 is pure cancer
>Kronii is the only one who actually made me feel excited
Terminal case of shit taste, Kronifags are the worst

>>8469025
unironically this. The jury most likely changed from EN1 auditions.

>>8471933
The rest are
>nigger
>owl autist
>asmr whore
>reskin Ollie

>>8466294
What if IT IS loserbait kek.

>invest into loreshit
>all loreshit gets dropped in a month
And it's for the better. Luna is the only Holo true to her original background.

>>8472044
>doubling down on being cancer that doesn't even watch hololive
Admit you just watched for tits, 'cause its obvious you didn't watch the debuts

>>8459625
Debuts are always like this. It's hasn't even been a month. Everything takes time.

>>8458597
>best in the industry

>>8457996
Yeah the lore shilling should've come AFTER I developed an interest in the girls.
It'd make for more content you could feed fans instead of dumping a lore bomb about a bunch of whos.

>>8472093
And who are you then? A tasteless saviour fag?

>>8457461
Kronii has too much dead air.

>>8472198
>Has no argument
>Proceed to try an attack poster instead
Lol, just proving my point, well done fag

>>8457461
>Kronii is the only one who actually made me feel excited during her debut.
Kronii's debut was the only one I couldn't manage to sit through. It was genuine cringe. She sounded like a tired, disinterested children's party host. Literally this kind of vibe: https://youtu.be/R4Bta5UNTHw?t=8578

>>8459101
Did you read it?
I assume not.
Like most people wouldn't.

>>8472044
nothing wrong with liking an ASMR whore.

>>8458597
No opinion on this bullshit, post more angry FBK, I love how her ears perk up.

>>8472404
I watch hololive. After the debuts of Gen1 I was so fucking excited. Gen2 utterly sucked except for a single member who did ok

>>8457551
>was lightning in a bottle
I wonder what was the origin of this phrase?
How did it catch on?

>>8459303
>>8459784
Psychologically, this makes sense.
It demonstrates to the talent that they are making their own success, and though cover will multiply the success they make, they can't rely completely on cover.
They get to feel like their rise was by their own hands and thats awesome.
A very wise and wholesome approach.

Irys + gen 2 have awful design, it's like the first 3 Pokemon gen designs vs the later gens.

Gen 1 has simple, soulful, memorable designs that also fit well with the personalities. Gen 2 looks like they were created in a random vtuber generator.

>>8473229
>I watch hololive.
>After the debuts of Gen1 I was so fucking excited
Bruh, gen1 had awful debuts

>>8474213
Bitches had actual talents

>>8468197
This is a vtuber board, not jap shit board.
You have to go back.

>>8474070
Sadly I’m inclined to agree. The designs are disjointed and I don’t see much unity in this gen, though I still liked the rrat.

>>8466325
>CK3
Cringe. CK2 is where it's at faggot. Besides we already have a queen of /vst/.

>>8459784
>>8465075
No, it's just a business deal. More corporate supports === less profit cuts. Which options do you think the chuubas would rather pick?
Matsuri with her shit viewership is still shitting covers and originals.

>>8474287
And what are those exactly? Mori and Ina are the only ones with objective talent in Gen 1. The rest like Ame's tech knowledge or Kiara being a former AKB idol or whatever Gura has are all subjective things.

>>8474977
Kiara speaks Japanese like her native language. This is the reason why holotalk exists. She's a bridge between branches .The only other chuuba who does it is Irys but she's half nip

>>8472599
That's what I live about her though she just sounds so fucking tired.

>>8474977
>Kiara being a former AKB idol
Being some random nobody in AKB who they basically passed around to people as a sex slave may have somehow been even worse than whatever she got herself into.

>>8474446
Oh I'm sorry, I didn't realise Korone and Okayu weren't Vtubers....

Fuck you're a dumb cunt.

>>8457461
Ogey kronii.

>>8474815
Oh, Lumi... :(
I wish she could debut in a bigger company.
Best indie.

>>8477049
>I wish she could debut in a bigger company.
You shouldn't.

>>8459303
i mean hell, they STILL seem to treat them like shit. how many streams was anya's computer so fucked she couldn't break 10 fps?

>>8465814
i guess this is technically me. i do find gura the most entertaining EN, but i've tried every EN/ID holo girl and every one of them except gura has spent some amount of time lecturing their audience like some twitch ethot and i don't watch to be lectured, i watch to be entertained. this almost never happens with the JP girls, so i still watch (most) of them. i'd probably still have most of them followed if not for this, though.

>>8459303
Yagoo used to talk abouth generous Cover was for giving them an Iphone and a L2D model, for him that was enough. Is no surprise why so many Holomem complains about having no support from Cover

>>8459433
A-chan has said that they are at a similar position and she isn't a manager

>>8473484
Originally (19th century) a literal reference to Benjamin Franklin’s kite experiment, capturing electricity from lightning and storing it in a Leyden jar, along with variants such as bottled lightning.[1]

Later used in baseball context in sense “difficult feat”, from circa 1941, attributed to Leo Durocher.[2] Wider use grew in 1980s and 1990s, particularly in sense “great, fleeting success”, and popular since 2000s

>>8458597
Please leave. You are making too much sense and we can't have that here.

>>8458597
The lore is the cringe, and none of them are actually going to keep up with it like EN1 you’re fucking retarded

>>8457461
>Drama filled whores, bland nobodies, absolute spergs.
/vt/ in a sentence

>>8480726
They aren't at similar positions at all. A-Chan is my concubine and I haven't even met this EN fuck yet.

>>8477049
I mean her being in a smaller company that doesn't force her to play apex is a good thing. Just keep promoting her and she'll make it.

>>8459918
Nowadays yes, but back then they didn't make much money at all

Imagine making your mind up about a whole gen on day 1 did you never watch EN1 debuts lmao

>>8480008
Do you speak JP or just assume they never lecture do that because it's not worth clipping/subbing?

>>8489929
yeah lol hopefully we can get some good ntr asmr, can you imagine it lmao

>>8457550
Omega Deez Nuts

>>8457461
Gen2 is that bad it made me consider subbing to kiara

>>8465814
>Kiara
Dumb, annoying bitch who tries too hard
>Cali
Boring
>Ina
Boring
>Ame
She's fun, but never does anything worth watching.

>>8504109
I found out you were a falseflagger when you said Ina was boring.

>>8504228
Ina's cute, but Jesus her streams are boring.

>>8457461
Why are cumsharts like this

>>8494606
Don't be ridiculous, it wasn't THAT bad.