/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

>How can a company be this incompetent?

"Made In China"

At least it's dead now.

>>812276
Jap business practice are among the worst in the wrong, just look how KF end up in Kadokawa hand or MGS with Konami

>>812276
Chinks.

>>812276
upd8 wasn't a company op, it was a project from activ8 for independent vtubers and even vtubers of other companies like animare and honestrap or azki. Activ8 is the company.

Otherwise I agree, they fucked up and can only exist to this day because Kizuna Ai (nozomi) still has sponsorships, merchandise and shit from her selling, even after the clone incident in 2019.

>>812347
that explains a lot

>>812276
>How can a company be this incompetent?
chinks

besides Kizuna Ai which other talents were well known at that moment?

>>812347
ohh, well that solves the mistery

>>815064
https://virtualyoutuber.fandom.com/wiki/Upd8

>>815006
>>812952
>>812347
THAT EXPLAINS EVERTYHING

>>812347
>>812952
>>815006
>>816127
Mystery solved, /vt/! Good job, all.

>>812347
>>812952
>>815006
newfags
Upd8 was a dumbfuck company destined for failure even before shitting the bed with the China pandering.
It can't possibly have been because the company was busy sitting on its ass for 2 fucking years while Nijis streaming kicked the shit out of stale pre-recorded content.

>>816724
ok chang

>>815064
YuNi is pretty big in the music scene. I'm glad that she managed to jump ship over into Toy's Factory before the they sinked. Don't know about the others before I look it up.

>>814137
I think there were a few that actually were under upd8 (though I don't think it was ever clear who), but yeah, most of the VTubers affiliated with upd8 were indies or from other groups/companies.

>>816798
But he's right, upd8 was several miion dollars in debt before chinese Ai even debuted.

If anything the china pandering was a desperate (and failed) attempt to het a quick buck

>>816798
You have nothing, /pol/nigger.
I'm so sure it was the chinks preventing intra-company collabs, preventing collabs with the heavenly kings, and also forcing interviews with literal criminals. They didn't even want the clones.
I hope the next time you stub your toe, you also blame Xinnie.

>>817029
The chinks were responsible for treating Nobuhime like shit, their hands aren't exactly clean

>>817029
>forcing interviews with literal criminals
I didn't know about this bit.
What the hell happened there?

>>817276
One yakuza boss got paid an undisclosed amount of money to be featured in one of Ai videos

>>817276
https://youtu.be/d1-mq6tYArA
He's a known fraud and already gone to jail for some time BEFORE he did the interview.

>>817749
Jail for what?
What kind of fraud?

We talkin' tax fraud, or like... stealing the life savings of old ladies?

I'm trying to decide if this is based or awful.

>>817869
"The interviewee “Takafumi Horie”, aka Horiemon, is a notorious public figure, who was found guilty of falsifying Livedoor’s accounts and misleading investors. Horiemon pleaded not guilty and was sentenced to 2 years and 6 months imprisonment for the securities fraud. He was paroled after serving 1 year and 9 months of his sentence."-Youtube comment

>>817956
So... based, then.
Pretty cool nhl

>>817029
Seethe more Chang. I can't understand you over your thick gook accent.

>>816724
Perception Neuron (who the fuck came up with this name) is a Chinese product

>>817276
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=horiemon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takafumi_Horie
>stock market manipulation
>money laundering
>yakuza ties
Japan has its own despicable billionaires that Upd8 was happy to dance for, long before ever conceiving of any funny extranational ideas.

>>812744
Jap business practice are among the best of the best, just look how Made in Abyss ended up in Kadokawa hand or SoundVoltex or Pop n Music with Konami

>>817749
>>817869
>>817956
This is honestly kind of hilarious.

>>818281
I don't know either of those stories.
Explain further?

>>818362
I think you mean BASED.
The dude is the Wolf of Ching Chong Street.

>>812276
What the fuck was Upd8 doing? They had Korone, Polka and their management fucked over Suisei while she was in INNK.

>>818261
fucking kek, so that's where the upd8 being a money laundering front for the yakuza narratives come from

>>818436
AyaMina games on average never broke 2k views on any broadcast + VOD combined, their audience was indie small.

>>818436
>What the fuck was Upd8 doing?
Nothing. Literally Nothing.

>>818436
Actively making things worse.

>>818429
I mean hilarious in the fact that someone at upd8 probably got threatened with a pair of cement shoes if they didn't do the interview, and the fact that this also exists in the first place. I would love to see more crazy shit like this from vtubers.

>>817997
>>818429
>fraud
>based

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYvyZXFdE2g

>>812276
The most important question here is, How do we save them?

>>812276
One of these things in not like the other.

>>818661

Reminder that they made Polkahime stream wearing an earpiece in which her manager told her what to say.

>>818640
2018 vtubing was an amazing trip that newfags can't possibly begin to comprehend, like the rrat that not one, but TWO upd8 shills were shitting up /jp/ threads.

>>818436
upd8 had nothing to do with INNK. THey only were involved with Azki. Cover fucked over Suisei with INNK, not upd8.

>>818829

>>818893
>Cover fucked over Suisei with INNK
What do you mean? Weren't she in a much better condition compared to pre-cover days (other than being demonitized currently for some reason)?

>>818874
Incidentally, isn't Hololive's situation wherin the talent has a lot of leverage over corporate really unusual for a Japanese media company? I assume it's because Cover was a literal who company who initially had to beg talent to work for them rather than being able to pick and choose like now.

assuming the occasional 'behind the scenes' tidbits the holos give out aren't bullshit of course

>>812276
>noracat
But why? I hope he didn't sign away the character's rights.

>>819263
lol nope, she was exactly the same as she was before joining INNK because she was completely sidelined. They literally didn't do a single thing for her, they promised her a single but kept delaying it and ended up canceling it at the last second, hell they wouldn't even get her singing lessons. Things didn't turn around for her until she was transferred to Hololive proper.

There is a documentary in youtube covering the whole story

>>820022
yeah I heard they really only gave AZKi any attention

>>820022
Ah yes, I just remembered. Well I guess Hololive will always takes priority since it's the money machine. I believe Azki too will be admitted into Hololive eventually especially now after Upd8 is gone.

How many of these talents went to Holo and Niji you think?

>>820173
She introduces herself as belonging to Hololive's INNK music branch already. Even if her management changes in the background you won't know a thing.

>>820173
She still will be part of INNK, which is the music label and branch of hololive. She's still hololive production, just not hololive per se.

>>820394
at least 2.
Polka and Korone, dunno about the rest.

>>820394
Like 3

>>818874
>>812276

Wait, Polka and Korone were in upd8? Who were they?

>>823642
Wasn't Luna from Niji as well?

>>823894
Y but that wasn't the question

What do you think Activ8 did with the people they put in charge of the upd8 project after they shut it down?

>>824099
took them out behind the shed, had them dig a hole and shot them into it

>>823783
i'm so glad she found a new home, a proper one this time
fuck upd8, i piss on their grave

>>823783
No wonder she's was a depressed loner

>>812744
You live in a world where EA exists and all the IPs and devs it killed happened.

>korone and polka where salvaged
>patra still stuck as indie

patora....

>>824099
They racked up millions in debt and singlehandedly ruined Kizuna ai's career. Probably sent them to a Chinese labor camp to pay off their debts.

>>824501
Pato is ironically too big to join hololive. She would either have to sign the rights to her character over to cover or redebut as a new persona. Both don't make sense for her as she is probably swimming in money from her asmr sales

>>820394
>>823642
inui toko was from upd8 too

>>824619

yeah im probably way too negative, she also would be deprived of playing her favorite games like dark souls if she joined the holos so things are not so bad.

>>817749
There is no dick she wouldn't suck for success, is there?
That's kind of hot

>>824501
>>824619
Who's this?
I somehow missed this one.

>>812276
Reminder that Upd8 had Korone. If they had used her correctly, that wouñd have been a complete hit instead of dissappearing into obscurity until she decided to leave and be successful somewhere else

>>824501
Don't worry Patpat is fine

>>825027
Pretty sure they had Okayu as well
Both got neglected in favor for Kizuna

>>825027
To be fair, Cover isn't immune to this either.

Am I the only one that notices Risu has one of the most amazing singing voices in HoloLive and she's basically being ignored?
I would be trying to roll her into a special unit with the more idol-centric members and really pushing to make her a hit. She has the chops, and Cover is totally sleeping on the job.

>>817997
>>818429

>>825077
YOU HEARD ME

>>824992
Do your reps

>>825069
The other half of AyaMina Games became a dog girl in Niji, it wasn't Okayu.

>>825070
In Cover defense, she lived in Indonesia and Hololive Idol Project is still in its infancy. Who knows maybe one day they will form a different group or launch her to be a singer on her own. Though I'm not really sure since the way and the goal of overseas Hololive branch is still not clear for now. Hell, they even still have some works to do regarding INNK. It's presence feels redundant now considering Hololive is pretty much doing the same thing.

>>825632
She's such a good singer that if I ran the company, I would pay to relocate her to Japan.

I would literally move furniture myself and get my workers to help to make it happen, if I had to. Her talent is worth the effort.

Go listen to Sora's cover of King, then listen to Risu's.
I'd argue that, on a technical level, Risu is probably the best singer in Hololive overall. She's overlooked probably because she has a medium pitch and medium timbre, but she's flexible and could pair and harmonize with LITERALLY ANYONE ELSE.
She can be the glue holding any two other singers together, across pitches, across genres.
If you name ANY two other Holos, Risu could stand between them and turn them into a cohesive unit.
Do you know how difficult it is to find a singer like that? That is worth it's weight in gold. I would be flying her into JP first class.

>>825763
>If you name ANY two other Holos, Risu could stand between them and turn them into a cohesive unit.
noel and amelia
also this implies cover is competent

>>825070
Holo's different. The recurring costs for any given Holo talent is basically their share of the manager's pay, everything else is ad hoc so it's basically impossible to lose money on a talent. The Indonesian branch in particular are getting Superchatted by foreigners and are really taking advantage of the weakness of the rupiah (which is why nobody cares that they're the smallest branch, cost of living and doing business is really low there). Everything else: the concerts, idol training, paying their mamas for new art, is contingent on the talents doing well (which they are) so they can afford to be really hands-off.
Ai on the other hand, was a full corporate project from the start. It has writers, a 3D studio with all the staff that entails, and a legitimate voice actress all supporting one character. That's why even though Ai's revenue is, by all accounts through the roof despite her flagging views thanks to merch, sponsorships, and appearances in other media, the team has been known to struggle for money at various points. They HAVE to make a lot more money and they have to figure out how they're going to do it.

>>825867
That's a trick answer!
You know what I meant!
Amelia's voice is actually pretty nice, she just has basically 0 practice or training in proper technique. If Cover got her a singing instructor she would learn and develop into a great singer shockingly quickly, because she's actually pretty smart and would be quick on the uptake.

>>825958
That has nothing to do with the post you're replying to, though...

>>824501
Have you not heard of animare

>>825070
From what some of the talents have said, it's all up to the individual girl to get everything done.
If the girl wants an original song they have to plan, hire and organize everything.
At most Cover might help them find a producer for the song but the talent still has to spend their own time and money.

>>826935
Then... what the fuck does Cover ACTUALLY DO?

>>827970
Provide you with a model, an iphone and hundreds of thousands of subscribers upon your debut.

>>827970
provide the assets for the model and a brand for an instant 100k subs

>>827970
Network for you

>>827970
Pretty much they just give you a platform where you can reach hundreds of thousands of people relatively easily.
Some like Korone are content with just gaming while others like Suisei or Mori are using it to fulfill their ambitions.

>>824992
took me literally 2 minutes to find out and I'm pretty bad at locating sources.
you can do it anon

>>815064
Pretty much all of them. The only one I don’t recognize is the cat.

>>819585
Regarding 'behind the scenes' tidbits, it ain't bullshit, but it really depends on their respective manager.
I know some holo member gets more freedom, more scheduling support for studio, while some idea from the talent gets shot down at manager level.
Some talents did voice out their frustration against this "gatekeeping", and turnover rate for Towa's Manager is higher than Mcdonalds cashier. There is a lot of speculation, but I honestly think the management side of all talent agencies always did some risk assessment and PR analysis before letting them through. Aloe roommate did say Cover is one of the few good ones compared to pile of garbage out there.
Every goddamn vtubers under the sun unfortunately compete, craving for a slice of pie of Hololive. Not blaming the JP vtubers, after seeing how volatile Japanese audience are regarding to drama especially with a simple slander and bullying can affect a reputation overnight (even with corpo backing). In addition, EN Vtubers are bringing new type of content compared to the old Japanese streaming content, and Hololive undoubtedly nurtured that innovation. They're racing to increase their TOEIC scores to get admitted, since Cover pretty much gave up on redirecting EOPs to EN. The gaijins ain't budging off JP talent anytime soon
Too bad, they haven't realized the savagery of dark side of overseas cancel culture yet. It's a sad fact, the Japanese vtubers resent their own audience and this sentiment will spread to other agency and art industry.

Every agency already admitted at this point there is no use for them to poach the Hololive talent, but its the talent management and brand design that made these broken girls work.

>>823783
But she collabed with Marine before Tamakin, it was how I discovered Nobuhime.

>>825763
>She's such a good singer that if I ran the company, I would pay to relocate her to Japan.
It's hard to that with streamers since they can technically work from anywhere, though it's baffling that the youtubers from trash taste could reallocate to japan while Cover is letting Kiara move out because her visa is expiring.

>>827970
Brand power

>>831557
Kiara is moving back home out of choice.
Mori is staying in Japan through Cover.

>>830734
Watame and Mori's manager are notoriously strict while Kiara and Haachama's seem to let them do whatever they want.

>>832391
Kiara and Calli have the same manager. There's one for both of them in Japan called Jenma.

>>832445
No. Kiara has mentioned before she shares her manager with 2 JP talents but not with any other EN.

>>832461
Thanks, I realized that didn't make sense after I wrote it since Kiara stayed with her manager for a bit lol

>>831557
>>832221
It's also because the particular circumstances of her visa, she was staying with one of those gimmick Cool Japan visas for weebs and she can't apply for a working visa while still in Japan.

>>825763
Risufag you know better than anyone else how lazy and unorthodox she is. When was the last time she did a karaoke? The King cover is great but then she put out Snow Halation. She is better off improving her streams to get her singing ability out there.

>>827970
>>826935
>>827970
They are slowly trying to do more for the JP branch. The recent singles for Bloom were Cover getting song writers and producers to pump out songs for the girls. Keep in mind the Hololive girls had the cash and connections to put out their original songs and covers, but most of them didn’t care enough to do it.

>>832461
So who's Calli's manager then? Another one that shares with JP girls?

>>812276
Is the OG Kizuna actress still Kizuna or is it still 3 different bugwomen playing her?

>>842649
https://youtu.be/lQd9KfsnvdA

>>842649
It's still the original, also there was only 1 chinese one

>>842088
Calli mentioned before that neither Enma nor Jenma is her manager, so that's the reasonable assumption.

>>812276
What I don't understand, why shadow clones? why not different girls but with same clothes? something like Miku and the other characters? they fucked up

>>849130
What they should have done was after they installed the Ai-pii and Love-chan personalities was have an episode where their models evolved into new models and then moved them to their own channels. The whole lore could have been that as part of Ai's goal to connect with everyone, she duplicated herself to increase her reach.

If they had done all that in the first week or two of introducing the whole project, we wouldn't be in this mess that we are in now. Ai's growth would have been better than it is now, Ai-pii and Love-chan would have built up their own fanbases, there would have been fun collabs and projects between the three (skits, music covers, live concerts, etc.), and Activ8 would have been able to showcase how great their 3D tech was.

>>850846
Even doing what they did eventually ended up doing with the different hairclips and unique personalities would have been better than trying to fool the fanbase with the "what do you mean my voice sounds different" bullshit

>>849130
Cause they want to treat Ai-chan like the Brave Group/Unlimited did to their vtuber. They miss the point on why vtuber is massively popular. It's because these "anime characters" have a human personality behind them and it is tied to the character intentionally or not.

one big thing i think hololive has going for it is the amount of interaction among their talents

It's like they're all in a shared universe. Collabs don't feel like crossover episodes, they feel natural. And you have the higher order effects. A and B interact. If they have good synergy, they collab more often, and maybe B hangs out with A's friends C and D regularly as well. In another stream, E talks about a funny thing A and B said. F gets jealous. And so on. It feels more like all the holos are in a shared social space compared to other groups where it seems like they're mostly separate but under the same brand.

>>852747
It's almost as if that was the main driving philosophy of the company

For as much as people meme about yAgOo'S DrEeMz they have never paid attention to what he was actually saying in that panel

>>812347
>>812952
>>815006
/thread

>>852747

Do you actually believe that Hololive is the only company doing this? How much have you actually ventured beyond this one group and tried watching other groups?

>>853004
other groups are trying, with varying degrees of success, but i don't feel any have gotten particularly close to hololive's success in doing so

>>817087
I never quite got what happened with her, would you mind explaining?

>>855757
read >>823783

>>825027
>Reminder that Upd8 had Korone
No, they hadn't her. That was why they failed.