/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

Oh yeahhhhh take that Nijicucks. 'King' my ass, you guys are nothing.

Only one left for 100K.

>>8099073
Might take a couple more hours, Sana's been lagging behind pretty hard. Regardless, they'll be all 150k+ before debut at this rate.

I expect at least one EN2 to be below Selen in viewers (when it comes to her APEX streams). Their designs are too shit for that not to happen.

>>8098532
How about we have peace? Us Niji and you Holo, at least for a bit.

>>8099246
Wtf don't respond to bait at the start of the thread

>>8099203
>I expect at least one EN2 to be below Selen in viewers (when it comes to her APEX streams).
Possibly. We just don’t know yet. What we do know is that obviously Niji JP is compared to Holo JP, in the same way that Niji EN will be compared to Holo EN, especially Gen 2.

>>8099338
You just did…

Why is she like this? Her Likes always beat her own CCV...

>>8099507
She has like 250k live viewers, it's just YouTube being anti Gura as usual.

>>8099507
Isn't this a youtube issue?

>>8099203
What are your standards for that, nijicuck? You mean average CCV lower than Selen's buff CCV? Because that will never happen.
If you mean them having lower numbers than Selen on certain streams, that already happened with EN1 a few times.

>>8099203
Sana already said she's not into FPS on Twitter. And if rumors are true then she's most likely going to be an artist streamer for SEA primetime. We don't know about the rest. None of their lore suggest that any might like FPS. Even the Civilization who should be all about tech and knowledge sounds like an emo to me that just wants friends. Her lore is really good. And also, fuck Apex.

thread already went shit
>>8099507
people leaving or just tabbing out

>>8099184
Yeah, and I'm predicting at least 200k after their debut video too

>>8099603
Selen could be a Chihiro or a Kuzuha but she chooses to stream cool varied games for us. It's only fair to compare only her APEX CCV to soulless holoshit that does nothing but play lame normie stuff (except for Ame).

>>8099603
their standards is comparing their highest view vs lowest of the low holojp like on previous thread comparing selen and roboco

8099814
Why do we always get people like this.

>>8099906
Got btfo for using Kuzuha, Ibrahim, and Shibuhal so now he's using Selen

>>8099603
>Selen's buff game
People use that to deduct points from streamers they dislike. Selene playing Apex, or Gura doing Karaoke. Buff for both, but they both should actually count as numbers regardless.

It’s weird because you can also use a debuff game to justify low numbers for a streamer you like. Meaning it’s an endless loop of justifications. This is why “big number > small number” is important.

>>8099830
I mean... if we want to cherrypick streams too

8099814
making exception for ame because ame mogs selen on her apex numbers

>>8099830
What's wrong with that? Are you supposed to compare midget to giant? Like Holostars vs Kuzuha? That's dumb. Also, there's nothing wrong with midget fights, high or low, numbers are numbers.

Instead of today's 100th Holo vs Niji thread why can't we just celebrate the dawning of the Nene World Order

>>8100039
She has also over 10 times more subs, hololive brand boost, yet the viewer number for APEX isn't even twice as high. There's a lot of room for Selen to incline her APEX numbers still.

>>8100226
>yet the viewer number for APEX isn't even twice as high
Nice goalpost moving.

How about you pick a stream where her game audio worked and she didn't close the stream after 2 games? She didn't even title this stream properly (it was titled "Ame stream") and didn't lose viewers alternating between Apex and Minecraft.

Hard to tell if Selen-schizos are just overzealous these days or if your idiots are falseflagging.

>>8100226
I hate Ame, but it’s like this:
1. Ame has more subs. Fact.
2. Ame has more live viewers. Fact.
3. Ame is currently more popular by this example. Fact.
That’s all that matters in this thread. If you think she will one day outperform Ame, sure possibly, but it’s not right now. “Dead subs” is meaningless because it doesn’t tell us a thing about “live subs.”

>>8100037
This is pretty hilarious

>>8100526
Ever since Selen had a venting stream people have ramped up the falseflagging with her, it actually calmed down considerably before that stream. It used to just be "lol she's better than everyone at Apex" "lol she laughs"

The only thing I see is that for Nijiniggers having more subs is bad, so they have to say that all the time to make Holos look bad,
So having low subs is better because you can justify any number, making lower numbers have more value than bigger ones like: 2k > 8k

>>8100526
>meme stream where she only played APEX for a few minutes
I can tell you don't watch her, yes. That wasn't an APEX stream at all.

>>8100583
Maybe if EN2 really takes away a lot of Ame's viewership.
Nijisanji looks like it wants to push waves like they did in Japan and NijiEN's total concurrent viewership hasn't broken more than 6k total since NijiEN1 if I remember correctly.
I've noticed a lot of DDs don't treat NijiEN as a group like they do Hololive and see them more like indies and just choose to individually support the one they like.

>>8100855
LMAO

>>8099814
fuck off nigger you dont watch Kuzuha. This is the guy that can peak 50k playing Resident Evil.

>>8100855
I mean, that's literally how the argument works against Holos every time. Even now, there are anons here acting like everyone thinks HoloCouncil's designs are terrible, when they are very positively received on all other social media platforms and there's already a lot of fanart being made on the first day. If you bring up how popular opinion doesn't reflect the shitposts here, you just get responded with the typical "holocult eats anything Cover shits out" so there's no discussion to be had.

>>8100915
You fucking retard, she played like 4-5 games that stream. Viewership didn't budge when she switched games.

>>8100930
That was about 7.5k during GTFO collab

>>8100997
Kuzushit who?
Oh~ celebs- leeching vampire

>>8101017
>there's already a lot of fanart being made on the first day
Doesn't indicate anything. Just artists using new stuff from a popular brand to buff their recognition.

>>8100226
>>8100526
NijiEN Selena
>wants to add narrative (collab, challenge) to every of her Apex streams.
>good(not trying to exaggerate) in game and entertaining at the same time.
>practice with her predator friends off stream.
>only ~1 month has passed debut (plenty space to grow)

HoloEN Amelia
>"rusty"(do not really practice off stream).
>not really intrested in game and genre as much anymore (moved on to different type of games and streams)
>almost 1 year has passed

i don't really see any reason to force Amelia to be yet another Apex streamer. we've got plenty of them.

>>8101128
Yea and I bet all the comments saying how much they love the designs, in both japanese and english, are just people pretending to curry favor with Holos and big name artists.

>>8101198
How is that related to numbers by the way?

>>8100997
>Kuzuha first RE8 stream
722,224 views
>Gura first RE8 stream
1,303,710 views

>>8101198
>plenty of space to grow
Until Nijisanji releases two more waves by the end of the year. Who knows how many more waves they will release next year if they did 4 waves in a little over half a year.

>>8101228
Nah it's
>the typical "holocult eats anything Cover shits out"

>Pekora and Marine make special thumbnails and titles to gain more views all the time
It's normal
>Gura makes special thumbnails and titles to gain more views
No you can't do that!
You should still use boring thumbnails and titles aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

t.Gurantis

>>8100855
>So having low subs is better because you can justify any number
Just remove all justifications by using “big number > small number”. Why? Because by default ALL new VTubers have fewer dead subs, while we know that doesn’t make all of them better than Pekora for example. A streamer with 200 subs that pulls 100 live viewers is not as popular as a streamer with 10k subs that pulls 1k live viewers. Niji EN is new and by default new streamers have fewer dead subs, but that isn’t an accomplishment of them. So again, “Dead subs” is meaningless because it doesn’t tell us a thing about “live subs.”
>>8100930
>Maybe if EN2 really takes away a lot of Ame's viewership
It’s possible. I think the market will grow, but ultimately the better EN will rise to the top, and that may mean some will likely drop a bit. That’s good though, competition allows for better streamers.

>>8101366
Gura's antis are really mentally deranged. They just can't deal with the fact that an english speaking vtuber is just as popular as a lot of the japanese sacred cows.

>>8101089
neck yourself NijiEN nigger
>>8101284
wtf Gura has to do with the reply chain you retard nigger?
>>8100930
>NijiEN's total concurrent viewership hasn't broken more than 6k total since NijiEN1
They already broke a few times but not in a single stream.
>NijiEN Top 10 highest concurrent live views (nijimado+vnuma)
>21/07/18 15,263 Petra Nijisanji debut
>21/05/16 14,859 Elira Nijisanji debut
>21/07/18 14,220 Selen Nijisanji debut
>21/05/16 12,431 Pomu Nijisanji debut
>21/07/18 12,354 Rosemi Nijisanji debut
>21/05/16 9,317 Finana Nijisanji debut
>21/05/25 5,986 Elira 1st Genshin stream
>21/07/20 5,772 Selen 1st Apex stream
>21/08/17 5,713 Pomu Return stream
>21/06/27 5,448 Pomu God Knows 100+1 challenge

>>8101366
Pretty much

Imagine being a chumbaby and trying to justify Gura getting less viewers than pic related with every type of buff possible. Gura is reclining hard. It's over.

>>8100037
god damn

>>8099507
How do we cope from this???

>>8101268
are you for real?

>>8101451
>only time they broke 6k is during debut
That's kinda sad.

>>8101534
>Not use the recent one
Aaaaaaaa maid Gura losing to red Gura aaaaaaaaaaaaaa

>>8101326
>4 waves
are you including NijiJp?

>>8101534
>trying to justify Gura getting less viewers than Gura
That would be Gura vs Gura; competing against herself. Rather you must put Gura’s numbers against other VTubers. Sorry, but that is how this functions.

>>8100037
Without Selen this wave would be pretty lackluster.
>>8101693
NijiEN is releasing the next wave around october (auditions ended a while ago) and the male wave either at the end of the year or early next year.

>>8101534
December karaoke stream

>>8101862
Guys we have an insider here

>>8101679
Chumbabies were giving excuses that the bard stream was a debuff for her because she sang unusual songs. Now you don't have that excuse anymore. Failed to hit her previous number despite it being a gimmicky special stream where she sang regular songs.

>>8101867
Her recent one had 360k views and 50k likes. It was comparable to her first karaoke stream that got 100k live views. I wish Gura would do a karaoke stream on twitch.

>>8102018
Why is the campfire karaoke not included? Oh wait, it won't go with your narrative.

>>8102021
December karaoke was post spamview btw. The recent one means more tourists watching the stream.

>>8099203
youll have to wait until the honeymoon phase is over

>>8101862
>NijiEN is releasing the next wave(girls) around october
i personally believe this one is the most important generation for NijiEN, in term of future potential of the NijiEN brand.
NijiEN generation 1/1.5 were just "groundwork" for future success/failure of NijiEN brand.

>>8102018
You are an obsessed schizo. Are all Nijisanji fans like this?

>>8102001
It's called following their trend on how they release waves in their international branch anonchama. Also they all fit the Halloween aesthetic so it would make sense to debut them around that time.
Hana getting the most views she's gotten in a very long time, Elira and Petra getting killed by the debuff game.

Gura is doing very well if people feel forced to use Gura numbers vs more Gura numbers. Self competition. Even though I predicted Gura’s decline when many of you faggots bitched at me, it doesn’t mean that Gura is doing badly. She’s actually doing very well.

Same is true if Pekora drops a bit. It doesn’t mean her numbers became low, just because they became different. “Big number > small number” still applies.

>>8102214
>471
gura killer...

>>8102018
OMG I just remembered I missed the Valentine one

>>8102214
>top nijinen with a collab can't beat a holo indog
lmao

>>8102232
You can't seriously compare Gura karaoke to Pekora karaoke

>>8102214
Oh no no no NijiEN bros...
This is really not good

>>8102446
*a holoen reject

>>8102469
where did he compare their karaokes?

>>8102576
>Gura is doing very well if people feel forced to use Gura numbers vs more Gura numbers. Self competition.
for the context

>>8102469
>You can't seriously compare Gura karaoke to Pekora karaoke
I didn’t. Read it again.

>>8102621
what? i think you need some reading comprehension practice anon

>>8102576
Ok let me explain. Gura's closest competitor is Pekora but her karaoke streams are nowhere near popular so obviously you can't use them against Gura and that's why you have to go for "self competition".
Better?

>>8102705
>Better?
no

>>8102798
Maybe you need some reading comprehension practice anon

>>8102705
>can't use them against Gura
How was I doing that? Still confused.

>>8102828
just re-read the first post anon, slowly, i'm sure your little brain will eventually understand it

>>8102830
I wasn't talking about you but in general. Karaoke number comparisons.

>>8102021
She was also trending on Twitter and got a description.
She never did before, which means her reach outside of YouTube is bigger now than it was before.

Ok. Less words.
You as in not (You). You as in people.
Understand?

>>8102705
>>8102830
You can't use Pekora's karaoke numbers compare to Gura's karaoke numbers but you can use Pekora's MC numbers compare to Gura's MC numbers! Beasuse Pekora has to always win!

Simple as

>>8101198
so wheres the number?

>>8103102
>You can't use Pekora's karaoke numbers compare to Gura's karaoke numbers
Anon, you just compare streamer numbers to other streamer numbers. The rest doesn’t matter. I’m still not quite sure what you’re trying to say.

Didn't know Gura's karaoke streams affect brains that badly

I think I may get what he’s saying now… I think he was agreeing with me?

>>8102446
It's a debuff game with shared POV. Did you forget she beat Kiara a few days ago? Also, no surprise for Petra to be below 1k. This is what happens when you forget you're an EN.

>>8103498
Didn't you know? Selen is the top nijien because she gets 5K in apex.

why is this thread so shit

because it's a numbers thread

>>8103498
>It's a debuff game
Can we lose that term already? I mean both debuff and buff, because ultimately it’s the fault of the streamer if they’re unable to find a way to properly entertain the viewers. Even if one decides to play a very unpopular game, it’s still their decision, and ultimately a rate of their own success or failure. They SHOULD be graded or judged by it, not excused for it IMO.

It all comes back to “big number > small number”, where everything else is endless justifications.

>>8103852
Ogey. Elira still got more viewers than Kiara in that day then.

>>8103852
nonono you can take away their coping mechanism that easily

>>8103636
NijiEN fans seem really butthurt over Gura getting over 40k viewers so they are going full crybaby mode.

>>8103988
of course they would, they can't pull 10K outside their debut stream

>>8103979
You realize this goes both ways? What's the cope for Kiara to be below Elira in viewers besides Zelda being a debuff?

Aqua must die

>>8103852
I don't get it, there are games that are clearly going to bring more viewers, I know this general is obsessed with Kuzuha so I'll say an example: his horror game streams. He can play FPS all he wants, he will always get more viewers playing horror games. So, horror games are a buff game to him.

Holoen vs nijien the 糸!

>>8104111
>You realize this goes both ways?
Not how this thread works.

>Just a Karaoke trending on US
Gura I kneel

>>8104111
>What's the cope for Kiara to be below Elira in viewers besides Zelda
There shouldn’t be one, that’s the point.
>>8104237
>there are games that are clearly going to bring more viewers
I’m not arguing against that. I’m saying their choices (buff or not) is ultimately their responsibility, and so they should be judged for it. Meaning if numbers turned out low, then no excuses from us since they should bare the responsibility as a streamer.

>>8104111
Kiara is a bad livestreamer.
All justifications, excuses, everything washed away. she's just not good when compared to her genmates and even NijiEn.
No excuses from game choices or timeslots, voice choice or anything, she's objectively the worst livestreamer of her gen.

>>8104671
>Just a Karaoke
Isn't that her most popular content?

>>8104797
It is, but for a Karaoke to trend of Twitter is pretty unusual.
Did her big Karaokes from last year trend?

>>8104797
everytime she tweets something normal she trends

>>8104671
>vegeta
he too kneels to the shark

>>8104968
Oh? Is that so?
Well that's less unusual then. I only use twitter to check schedules and for any unusual events on the Hololive twitters, can't stand the damned thing otherwise.

>NijiEN combine can't beat a HoloID
Kek

>>8104968
>>8105033
To be fair a non-stream Gura tweet is a rare creature.

>>8103852
Wtf? The whole buff and debuff thing is because audiences have games that they are naturally drawn to and repelled by. There's literally no streamer that can pull the same number of viewers no matter what game they play. Even twitch streamers like xQc and JP numberchads like Jun see their numbers flucuate depending on the game/content.

>Even if one decides to play a very unpopular game, it’s still their decision, and ultimately a rate of their own success or failure.
That's fair, and many chuubas know which games do well. They just don't care about numbers.

>They SHOULD be graded or judged by it, not excused for it IMO.
So are we just going to go through the "X is declining, X is inclining" dance every time someone decides to play something long and debuff like Yakuza 7 and then spam Minecraft for a month? When in reality, literally nothing changed for that vtuber? That's retarded.

>It all comes back to “big number > small number”, where everything else is endless justifications.
Numbers are pointless without context. "Big numbers > small number" is a fucking meme for making fun of braindead tribalfags who cannot comprehend more than the most obvious and basic number in front of them.

Why Kanata decline so hard?
Explain?

>>8105737
Coco graduation pity wore off
Now she has to rely on her own content to do good, but her own content is absolute shit

>>8105737
She started that stream at midnight and streamed till 6am in the morning. That's not only not her usual time slot, but it's a rough timeslot regardless. 深夜 means late night.

>>8105737
leech? leech!

>>8098141
Did EN2 trend on Twitter when they were revealed?

>>8105991
Yes. In Canada (uh totally not where I live), #HoloCouncil was trending for hours with 55.5k tweets.

>>8105852
>her own content
Aren't most holos doing the same hardcore minecraft lately?

>>8105573
>There's literally no streamer that can pull the same number of viewers no matter what game they play
I’m not saying their are. I’m saying that ultimately they bare the responsibilities of their choices.
>So are we just going to go through the "X is declining, X is inclining"
Only insomuch as their numbers actually go down or up. As long as it’s factual. But it’s not that meaningful.
>Numbers are pointless without context
The context is that they’re VTuber numbers. That’s about it. If one decided to play an intentionally unpopular game, they are still responsible for the outcome of that. Making constant excuses is a waste of time.

>>8105991

>>8106463
>hololive beating Biden doing some yab
based?

For clarification: If Ame came up with a creative idea that worked to get more viewers, I’m saying that we don’t dismiss that accomplishment as a “buff” that somehow cannot be compared to someone who failed to be as creative, like someone playing the same shitty game over and over. It should be compared, as it is a measure of the streamer.

updating my median views for ENvtubers + nimu. Twitch streamers are quite strong.
8/1~
>Gura 17,270
>Ina 12,347
>Irys 8,175
>Amelia 8,021
>Mori 6,476
>Kiara 6,045

>Pomu 4,122
>Selen 2,915
>Elira 2,105
>Finana 1,916
>Rosemi 1,503
>Petra 1,272

>Ironmouse 10,427
>Nyanners 8,899
>Veibae 8,325
>Silvervale 6,122
>Froot 3,899
>Zentreya 3,757
>Hajime 3,641

>Bahroo 9,282
>Nimu 8,386
>Snuffy 3,592

>>8108147
I'm surprised Kiara still has 6k. It feels like she's had so many duds this month already, like that 7k Zelda stream that peaked at 2.6k, but I guess that's the beauty of median.

>>8108147
I thought Ina was beating Gura in CCV. What is this nonsense? Why are you inputting fake numbers for Gura anon?

>>8108147
>>8108147
I'm surprised Kiara still has 6k. It feels like she's had so many duds this month already, like that 7hr Zelda stream that peaked at 2.6k, but I guess that's the beauty of median.

>>8108147
>Twitch streamers are quite strong.
Better than I thought they would be. It’s neat to see a comparison.

>>8108290
>I thought Ina was beating Gura in CCV
That happened once in a collab stream.

>>8108481
You mean twice. Chumkeks revising history again I see

>>8108511
You feel threatened

>>8108511
oh nyooo, what a gigantic difference!

>>8100997
kuzuha normie's bestfriend

>people still call backstabber HoloID who is de-facto HoloEN

>>8108653
>>8108664
cute

>>8105737
Can't leech Coco anymore.

Petra’s numbers… it’s like hyping her up so high, had the complete opposite effect.

>>8108895
Petra who?

Before debut:
Mori Calliope: 107K
Ninomae Ina'nis: 90k
Takanashi Kiara: 78K
Watson Amelia: 109K
Gawr Gura: 86K
IRyS: 292K

Pretty surprising how the turn tables

>>8108147
>gura's killer ended up being nijien's kiara
amazing

>>8108147
>Nyanners
>1M subs
>Face of the Vshojo
>Losing to Ironmouse
Oh no no no no no

>>8108895
people was genuinely delusional about NijiEN.
this is start up under big Niji name(wich doesnt have much recognition in the west), with some desent investment and conections to good artists.
hololiveEN on the other hand had strong conection to the main branch (JP) wich was popular in the west in the first place ('big summer boom")

>>8108895
Is more related to being a zhang and a boring one than people being deceived because the cunny hype

>>8108895
She's a prude who leaned on nsfw during debut only to immediately go back on it the next stream

>>8109323
You forget that people thought that Shachi was going to be Petra.

>>8109373
>leaned on nsfw
How?

>>8109387
She had a NSFW tag that artists started using before she told everyone that she wasn't comfortable with it, and of course with the EN fanbase being the way it is anyone who continued using afterwards got harrassed, which killed her growth stone dead

>>8109259
>Face of the Vshojo
is she really? i don't watch them, but from outsider perspective i had an impression that iron or vei is actual face of Vshojo
ps yes i know about Kizuna AI collab, but Vei was on TV(if you want to play this game for some reason)

>>8109436
>anyone who continued using afterwards got harrassed
Proof?

>>8109349
Anons really need to drop this delusion that Gura's popular because of cunny design. It's her voice and personality that won people over. Pre debut she was losing to Ina, Ame and Mori in subs.

>>8109323
This
Literally nobody in the west knows about big Nijis names like Kuzushit or Mito but everyone in the west knows about Fubuki,Korone,Pekora.....

>>8109381
all im trying to say, NijiEN didnt have "momentum" of Hololove in the first place.objectively

>>8109457
That's a pretty long winded way just to say Gura is only popular because cunny

>>8109497
..Coco, even Botan who debuted month before HoloEN had a lot of people's eyes on her.

>>8109446
Vei and Froot were on TV because they are British and were being interviewed by the BBC, nothing to do with them being the "Face" of the group

>>8109780
I thought Vei was eastern european, no?

>>8109497
>>8109617
Coco aside you forget the real creator of HoloEN

>>8108147
You forgot to add HoloEN rejects

>>8109523
what people is missing is no one can have hololive momentum
vshoujoi could only becasue it was a entirely different platfrom which is not regulated for copyright for the most part.
Hololive pretty much put what current vtubing is on the west. NijiEn wont have holo growth never unless they brake the mold somehow.

>>8109799
By descent yes, but she lives in the UK

>>8109846
They never will because of the timing of HoloEN. There will never be a time where the entire world was shut in and bored for the first time ever, looking for something to watch.

>>8109846
They debuted at the right time. Q3-Q4 2020 where pretty much the whole world was in lockdown and no vaccine.

>>8109846
Their planning and scouting department is top tier honestly. Just keep up momentum every month with events, celebrations, outfit reveals or debuts/auditions. 2020 flew by fucking fast because of vtubers. It's fucking August already.

>>8109167
This numbers are completely wrong, except Irys.
>>8100294

>>8108147
Wow how is Pomu so strong?
Is she the real face of NijiEN instead of Selen?

>>8109846
>no one can have hololive momentum
in the west*. NijiJP under "same spell" in the east.
>vshoujoi could only becasue it was a entirely different Western* platfrom
fair point. twitch echo chamber helped them very well.

>>8110085
She just came back from a month long hiatus yesterday, getting 5.9k. She has had 2 streams this month.

>>8109816
>Coco asid
you cann't put her aside, BUT i feel fucking stupid for forgetting Mikochi

>>8110097
>NijiJP under "same spell" in the east.
Is it? I don't think the new nijiJPs are doing that great now that the debut buff is over.

>>8110328
Stop talking about them!
Leave them away!

>>8110328
Anything above Selejo is great in Nijisanji for newbies

>>8110328
just assuming. we will see in comparison after HoloEN gen 6 debut

>>8110328
if the debut buff is gone now in the thread's eyes, then Lauren is doing amazing and has got his gachis secured.

>>8110328
New NijiJP is extremely hyped because it's been almost a year since their last debut

>>8110018
more debuts will just spread their viewers even more specially on overlap. Niji isnt bring new people is just trying to appeal to already existing one but that has a hard limit.
momentum will be lost sooner or later. i would said is already lost in most except elira and selene.
>>8110524

>>8110524
Lauren is good since apex buffs him enoug, but the other 3...ehhh
Leo is a wild card he buff and debuffs himself alone didnt even see he did Bomberman R.

100K for everyone, Baelz and Mumei about to catch up with Petra and Selen.

>>8110671
>momentum will be lost sooner or later.
depends of the exciting stuff/events and collab they planned.
example, if Selen will collab with popular twitch FPS streamer this could bring huge portion of new audience to her and her "friends" from twitch echo chamber

https://youtu.be/CXGgCKz6ta8
https://youtu.be/CXGgCKz6ta8
https://youtu.be/CXGgCKz6ta8

>>8110776
i'm genuinely surprised owl-girl is so popular. i thought she will be 2nd from the bottom

>>8110524
well he slowed down a lot

>>8110789
twitch and you tube user base dont mix.
You can easily see that with Jun channel on you tube and twitch. Also leeching will only attract apex viewers and Selene alraedy doesn't like the sound of that.

>>8110789
>twitch audience
platform tribalism exist anon

>>8110776
Skin color matter

>>8110842
Genshit pandering. Also pedos.

>>8110842
The most loli-esque designs are the most popular, water is wet

>>8110989
Anya???
Petra???

>>8110842
best design and aesthetic, also funny name

>>8111082
Petra's design was the most popular by far, but it was wasted on a boring chink.

>>8111082
Petra had the most subs pre-debut though

>>8110902
i bet a lot of normies unaware about "noneIdol" vtubers on youtube and vtubers in general outside of vshojo. Selen is one of the most twitch audience friendly vtuber on youtube, because she watchs twich herself.
>"look this is girl actually is good in FPS game!"
>"wow, she doesnt act like a whore!"
etc

>>8105860
That's specifically Watame's time slot.
While they might be friends and probably talked about this to keep the Watamates happy till Watame returns, Kanata doesn't make the same kind of content.

>>8099630
Thank God no more apex

>>8110671
A lot of new gen’s is bringing old fans back. Think about all the dead subs for the EN girls who got tired of watching the streams but still keep up with hololive news. A huge amount of theese people come back for debuts. They eventually fuck off when they realize it’s usually the same shot though.

>>8111175
Maybe in your dream

>>8100930
as someone who mostly follows Hololive, I just check out Nijis if it's dead hours, usually Pomu>Selen and then i go watch like, cooking videos on youtube or something if it's really desolate hours

>>8110789
Depends. Nyanners and Ironmouse are top vtubers on Twitch. Did NijiEN had a boost when collabing with one of them? I mean, Hana inclined just a little bit collabing with Lily, iirc 1.6k live views.

>>8111175
You do understand that there's a lot of <100 viewers vtubers on Twitch. What makes you think they would watch an FPS vtuber especially Apex when they could just watch a normal apex-ranked streamer instead. Not a has-been pred and certainly not an anime character.

>>8110821
god damn am i glad that a weirdo song like unison is finding so much success

how is nimu far more successful than the rest of ES vtubers? except ironmouse, but well, she doesn't even talk in ES

>>8110821
You know it's a packed week when perennial top-10 song Next Color Planet is #15 this week. Also, oof first time RIP failed to get 300k views in a week I think. Feels spoiled, but there's too much Hololive music coming out these days man.

>>8111645
Her HUGE meltdown became quite the meme and ended up being her “Miko destroys her house with lava” moment.
She was already big so it added momentum and opened a new viewership that may not have known vtubers before

>>8111175
like anon said
>>8111507
also
>"look this is girl actually is good in FPS game!"
you do know theres alot of good female fps players on twitch right?
e.g
nrg lulu https://www.twitch.tv/lululuvely

>>8111592
Yunomi has always been popular wut, it's only "weird" for Hololive, it's a normal kawaii bass track.

>>8111592
>>8111872
Since it's a numbers thread, here's the OP he did for Tonikaku last year. 12 mil on an unofficial upload for EOPs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6l8THwbcfY

Anycolor is now hiring a project manager for IP marketing.
https://twitter.com/ANYCOLOR_Inc/status/1427906077304131591?s=19
Marketing and merch is discussed here so it feels relevant.

>>8111982
that actually sounds good though

Good thumb game for Ollie. Beat IRyS head to head with a good choice of thumb, theme and timing.

The upcoming merger of servers will drum up this type of crossovers

>>8108147

Why is Melody not on your list?

>>8113062
+new outfit

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzoFOFMJNhM
Gacha brings the numbers, as always.

>The rat hit 110k already
Can she actually surpass Gura?

>>8113738
If her first word on debut is "Ogey"
I will kneel forever

>>8113738
The only way she will even stand a chance is of she's at least as good of a singer or better than Gura. That Ride on Time in her debut is one of the many things that shot her through the roof.
Even then, I doubt anyone is going to ever get the same growth as Gura unless we enter another global lockdown situation. The events were just too perfect, and speedrunning to a million subs like Gura is just not going to happen in the current situation where much of the US is no longer under lockdowns.

>>8108147
Silver seems unusually high but she just had a birthday or something recently?

>>8113738
No, Gura exploded right at the crest of the vtuber excitement wave in the west, I don't think we'll see that situation again unless one of them goes totally mainstream and is collabing with Pewdiepie and Minecraft speedrunners and shit like that.

>>8113853
Yep that's weird. This site states different numbers
https://sullygnome.com/channel/silvervale/30

>>8114060
Median views looks like vs that site is displaying average views.
Median views combined with average views is the best, especially since a lower number of streams can skew the median pretty hard.

>>8113886
>Gura exploded right at the crest of the vtuber excitement wave
She was right at the end of a firehose with the following things being pushed behind her

>anime girl says nigger
>scatman's world + coffin dance
>Eekum Bokum
>american dragon says motherfucker
>chinkout
>chinkout comeback

That all added an incredible amount of attention on Hololive and Gura was right in the right position to be pushed forward, which she did with three things

1) A
2) that one Muse Dash stream where she proved she can, indeed, play games (after the "shark game fiasco")
3) that unarchived karaoke

>>8114149
>Median views combined with average views
Median, mean, number of streams, hours of stream gives the overall view

>>8114155
Speaking of Eekum Bokum
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5MpLQ8TQcQ

The original clip is pushing 11 million views about one year in and it is about to have its anniversary

>>8108147
How did you get Hajime's median anyway? She's had only one stream in August so far.

>NijiEN already losing in subs to chuubas who are only 24 hours old


OH no no no no no no

>https://www.hololyzer.net/youtube/
This website looks great for number analyzing. Unfortunately only for HoloJP

>>8114367
Imagine watching shit like Irys (in personality and design) over Selen.

>>8110821
>yfw Reflect can only be beat by a new song
Jesus Christ Gura

>>8101451
you keep using the n word yet nijiEN has no black girls, while holoEN 2 has one.

no, you are the chocoball.

>>8114394
If Selen was better she would have more subs.

Alas.

>>8114482
yeah man, Anya is so much better than Selen.

>>8114476
Hey hey! Gyaru girls aren’t black, they’re cute and honorary white.
The only mistake was not making her thiccer, she would be an immediate fan favorite for gyaru appreciators and architects alike

>>8114572
they make flare look aryan, anon.

>>8114510
Correct.

>>8114595
All kidding aside gyarus are quite popular for some reason for nips. I wouldn't doubt if she becomes the one with the bigger JP audience

>>8114510
Is the second wave of nijiEN only selen to you guys? Where the other 2 at, show me their numbers

>vtubers with bigger numbers aren't always more entertaining than vtubers with smaller numbers
Cope or fact? Should Nijisanji fans be allowed to say that their midgets are better than Hololive?

>>8115033
This is not the opinions thread this is the numbers thread

>>8115033
More entertaining is a subjective opinion. Zoomers find Fortnite entertain yet most people aged 18+ don't; yet Fortnite is a very lucrative business.
Also, this is a numbers thread, so this argument is OOT

>>8114394
IRyS was more successful, talented, and accomplished as an indie than Selen and continues to be more successful, talented, and accomplished as a corporate vtuber. Deal with it fag.

>>8114510
unironically yes, Anya is great.

>that one anon falling for the "subs = talent" bait and seething hard
On one hand I don't like to see the thread derailed like this but OTOH it is great entertainment to see some anon to take charming strangers opinions in the internet so seriously.

I surely hope you all other guys don't fall for that.

>>8114367
Stop they'll start using selen to cope

>>8115339
Hey did know she can get 5k playing Apex!!!! WOW!!!!

5 entire K!!!!

>Haachama ramping up her EN involvement now with the renewal attention to that branch
She just created a Reddit account and uncharacteristically announced the next meme review much earlier than usual.

She has a self imposed "1.3M subs" goal for August and she's using the same playbook she used last year: tag along with HoloEN for a sweet carry.

>>8115400
Let's time loop this bitch!
>Points to all the Holomem that get less than that on average
>Point that outside of Apex Selen's numbers are closer to what the rest of NijiEN get
>Pull up the lowest performing HoloJP members to compare again
Repeat ad infinitum
Did I do it right?
Oh wait there's one more
>Compare Kiara at probably her worst numbers wise vs Selen
There.

>>8115459
Now, for the numberfag question: looking at where she is now, what do you think will be her subs count on midnight JST on Sep 1st.

I'll start: based on her last 30 and assuming a slight incline, she'll be at 1.28M, short for her 1.3M goal.
She'll catch up and maybe pass Noel tho

>>8112504
What are the off chances that this new hire would come here and feed information from here to their bosses? I just don't know how would they market their vtubers internationally other than to make their reddit as active as Hololive

>>8115595
>What are the off chances that this new hire would come here and feed information from here to their bosses?
ZERO, or they would have debutted a RatGirl before HoloEN

>>8115564
12 days to get 70k? It'd be hard. Don't think she could make it. Unless... she's returning to HoloEN server.

>>8115595
They'd never post here. It's not like they're unaware of what 4chan is.

>>8115635
She's making power move by creating a Reddit account and getting as much exposure on EN as possible

>Meme review with Kiara
>Meme review with IRyS
>Holotalk with Kiara

And she has a wildcard, she can always try for one of these two things
1) Meme Review with Gura
2) SmashKart51 collab with Gura

She's pressed for time too, the deadline matches the end of her "kindergarten" vacations and she won't be able to be as active after that

>>8115710
>blocks your path
Nothing personal, peons

>NijiEN recruits all the top indies with good numbers and a proven track record
>HoloEN2 is 2 2views, a meme content creator who can't speak english, 1 aussie artist, and one ???
Nijisanji has more sound business practices. If you hit a single every time at bat you win. If they keep the volume up they will win the West too.

>>8113837
>I doubt anyone is going to ever get the same growth as Gura unless we enter another global lockdown situation.
That’s wrong. Currently Gen 2 are growing faster than Gen 1 because Gen 1 increased the growth of Gen 2 by being so successful in the West. Gen 2 only needs good VTubers to capitalize on the amount of viewers watching because of the success of Gen 1. So another Gura really comes down to another VTuber that many people really, really like. If another Gura doesn’t happen, I feel they only have themselves to blame.

>>8116127
The EN race was fun to watch, hope EN2 can give as good a show.

>>8115775
Chuubas being /here/ and corpo suits being /here/ are two different things you retarded treerat fag

>>8116127
They don't really need another gura at the moment. If they did, they would've debuted another cunny to compliment Gura. Current picks for EN 2 is safe since I think they're more likely want to cover all the niches/content that is missing like ASMR, FPS Gamer, Hostess/The one making skits/shows/community streams, zatsudans, Minecraft addict, endurance/challenge gamers etc

>>8116065
NijiEN's recruits feel like they are high floor low ceiling type. Only Selen that have high ceiling.
HoloEN's recruits are more varied.

>>8098141
Nene my queen

Numbers?

>>8116473
>They don't really need another gura at the moment. If they did, they would've debuted another cunny to compliment Gura.
You’re confusing Cover with a few idiots here. What I mean is that Cover doesn’t think cunny is ultimately why Gura was successful, and they do want another Gura too. They are more likely thinking over how Gura was popular before they grabbed her. That’s likely what they’re looking for here.

If someone came into Gen 2 and became significantly bigger than Gura, pulling in many new people, that ultimately raises Gura as well. People forget that Hololive is a network. I say this because it’s funny how some talk about a “Gura killer” within Hololive EN, without understanding that such would actually increase the growth of Gura as well.

>>8108147
>>8108407
>Twitch
Are these true medians or median peak viewers? If the latter is the case, then their numbers are likely boosted by raids.

>>8116766
Kuzuha leading with Apex, followed by Leos's RE stream. 21k atm, 16.2k respectively. Next is Miko at 15k.

>>8116065
NijiEN's strategy of just taking existing indie vtubers and slapping a brand sticker on them doesn't grow the overall market, they're just trying to consolidate existing vtuber viewers under their umbrella. That will work up to a point, but the potential ceiling is far lower.

>>8115595
>>8116469
To take anything useful away from this place you have to know how to interpret and filter shitposting, which is both (a) a skill only acquired by wasting a lot of time on the internet and not in business school, and (b) too subjective to base business decisions on.

>>8116662
I don't think that is entirely true. They took chances with Finana and Petra. Their MO seems to be 2 sure things and chance, which will get them something good eventually. I think it is a better strategy for vtubing than trying to find diamonds in the rough while letting in random content creators.

>>8116834
Okay, thanks. The CCV chart will come out in about 4 hours, right?

Hey, can somebody explain to me what's up with the vod views on this superchat reading? I'm looking at the live view numbers on poi and they had roughly the same exact numbers, but despite being 10+ extra hours, which should have had a LOT of cycling viewers, the superchat reading is only 50k+ behind? (not to mention it's actually a very high number in general for a short superchat reading stream)

>>8116855
It's solid strategy for Anykara though because they don't have foundation in EN. Using high floor talents is good for building foundation even though some of them don't have high ceiling. They need high ceiling talent for growing though

>>8116834
Nothing of note at the moment for both sides. Pretty slow day. Niji is mostly Apex, Levi with her 24 hour stream etc. Only thing I'm anticipating is Botan's stream.

>>8116855
>NijiEN's strategy of just taking existing indie vtubers and slapping a brand sticker on them doesn't grow the overall market, they're just trying to consolidate existing vtuber viewers under their umbrella. That will work up to a point, but the potential ceiling is far lower.
That’s a good point. To me it looks like Hololive is taking more chances to hit on someone big, at least compared to Nijisanji who seems to be playing it safer. At least that is how it appears to me.

Isn't Kaemito supposed to be the biggest Niji couple? Can any Nijibro explain this numbers?

>>8116973
>what's up with the vod views on this superchat reading
The title may have attracted a lot of short lived interest specially because it came at the heels of a stream that got finished at the literal eleventh hour.

>>8116993
Whether it's a solid strategy or not, time will tell. It's only safer since they don't have anything to lose and are trying to make a few bucks from this as compared to their main branch.

>>8117012
Cover strategy from my eyes is taking talent with great talents even though they don't have experience in streaming because Cover probably think that it's easier to teach them how to stream rather than looking great talent who can stream. Still risky though because some of them probably don't have talent at streaming. That's why usually there is a streamer in every gen especially after gen 3

>>8116973
>CCV = people want and can watch it live
>VOD = people want but can't watch it at that time
EN has a lot of VOD watchers and they are the same as live viewers, if they see something interesting they'll watch it (the title and thumbnail help)

>>8117131
If that were the case it would have been reflected in the live view numbers, but it basically ended with roughly that amount of views.

>>8108147
Can confirm on NijiEN's side

>>8117250
By "ended with that amount of views" you mean with 162k?

Holobronies, don't look. The numbers might shock you!

>>8117284
No, I think it ended with about 130-140k vod views, and the bloodstained ended with about 190k, so they gained roughly the same amount of views after ending. Unfortunately I didn't screenshot it then so I can't exactly prove it...

>>8117349

>>8117349
you can't be serious.

>>8117352
>No, I think it ended with about 130-140k vod views
I can see a constant stream of people cycling out of the prev stream (and people coming from the youtube homepage / reddit), jumping into the new stream, seeing what did she mean by "what happened" and cycling out without raising the peak CCV too much

>>8117413
>>8117453

>>8113738
People said this with IRyS so just wait a few weeks after debut. To put things in perspective, the day after debut IRyS hit 400k. The day after Gura’s debut she hit 200k. In the time it took Gura to hit 1M, IRyS hasn’t even hit 600k yet.

>>8116469
I don't know, anon. If /v/'s history of video game developer interactions is anything to go by, then seeing marketing reps/managers for entertainment companies that have very high social media presence to lurk/post as any other talents do.

Didn't we have one of those from one of the smaller JP agencies a while ago.

>>8117525
I can say the same thing about /pol/, both corpo journos and every once in a while, US politicians lurk for sure and somethings post in that cesspool.
In journos case, you only hear about it when they end up falling for some meme as if it was true

>>8117643
Numbers don't like so I think there'd be some interns from vtuber companies here who lurks and gets free data from this thread and also trends

>>8117697
Numbers don't lie*

>>8117697
There has not been a single insightful post on this shithole other than the guy who figured out that Holo wasn't being picked up by the algorithm due to her channel name. The companies can already see the audience retention, earning, sub growth, viewer demographic, merch/ticket sales, etc. and /#/ is just circlejerking over metrics that aren't even accurate.

>>8117697
>and gets free data from this thread
I sincerely doubt. They can access the same dataset this humble place can for other companies' data and even better datasets for their own (through their respective Youtube dashboards).

Maaaaaybe (big maybe) someone from the smallest western recently started companies, but I can't even name one I would believe lurks this place-

It is still 9PM JST but I already have a serious candidate for "Winner of the day":
>Leos
16k for a zatsudan with Oliver while the whole rest of the slot is PLASTERED with APEX.

>>8117837
Uh but Kuzuha has bigger noombers?

>>8117697
This thread in particular is useless, but they could look around the catalog to see how people are reacting to what they're doing.
Then again, if Cover was /here/ they'd have caught on to how shit Gura and Anya's rigger is before a post asking them to stop hiring him got 7500 votes on their reddit.

>>8108147
twitch max viewers is rigged with twitch raids + no spamview filters, tbf

>>8117837
Pretty sure they wanted to play RE2. Oliver's stream ended a while ago, you can see them having problems setting up the game so they're doing a zatsudan instead.

Lo and behold, piyo has daily rankings now (still needs to add twitch and twitcasting support tho)

>>8112504
Meh. The announcement is only in Japanese so it'll only be marketing for the JP side. Nijisanji is already well-known in Japan, it's their overseas branches that really need the marketing but if they're only going to hire someone who knows Japanese then they're shit out of luck in expanding overseas.

>>8117868
"Winner of the day" award is not an objective award

>>8117965
Thanks based nips, there is a reason they're considered honorary white

>>8117837
If you wanna suck Leos's dick there is an entire Nijihomo general for you. Otherwise stick to numerical observations

>>8117980
Sir, this is a numbers thread...

>>8117965
>it ranks out to top 100
MY DICK IS DIAMONDS

>>8116954
I wouldn't describe recruiting a bunch of indies as taking risk. In fact, the only "risky" pick for both Niji and Holo En branches has been Mori with her wigger music. Gura was the most surefire pick akin to drafting Lebron with the 1st overall draft pick. Ame had experience as a vtuber on twitch and is like a 2nd rounder that turned into an all-star, Kiara was an ex-idol and is pretty much the Kwamey Brown of the group, and Ina is a well-known artist that seemingly got drafted too high but turned out to be another all star. Whoever is doing the recruiting in Cover needs a raise since they hit 4/5 in one gen.

>>8117884
>rigged with twitch raids
How do "raids" work? It is just a link or they literally force move the audience from one video to the other?

>>8117996
Salty

>>8117998
It is not "most viewed of the day" but it is related to numbers and outstanding achievements

>>8118040
>How do "raids" work?
It starts a short countdown, and anyone who doesn't opt out by the time it ends gets moved to the other stream automatically.

>>8118040
Everyone is forced into the raided stream. And do you want to explain why Leos wins anything when this isn't even the top for random male zatsus, I'd say Kenmochi has him beat there.

>>8118035
Finana was a vtweeter and Petra was a bilibili literal who that had retired a while back. They were definitely risks.

>>8117837
17k now. He mogged Migo. Leos is easily the 2nd most popular Niji after Kuzuha considering these numbers.

>>8117965
fucking finally, so i can stop making my shit ranks. Here is the twitch numbers i had just collected. Some1 do something with it.

>>8117518
>People said this with IRyS so just wait a few weeks after debut. To put things in perspective, the day after debut IRyS hit 400k. The day after Gura’s debut she hit 200k. In the time it took Gura to hit 1M, IRyS hasn’t even hit 600k yet.
I feel like they’re doing it with rat-girl as well, while her current success is undoubtedly built off of the success of Gen 1. What we really need to see, is if she can be successful on her own many weeks from now. But that concept doesn't seem to be understood outside of this number thread, which is why there are threads that are too early labeled “Gura killer”, which also happened with Petra. If they only waited just a little bit longer they would have better data.

I certainly hope Cover pulls off another Gura, but for some to declare it this early is obviously retarded.

>>8118114
He's only been around a month, give it some time for the numbers to settle down.

>>8117965
WAOW. But this doesn't seem to include premier, does it?

>>8118087
>do you want to explain why Leos wins anything
Count the non APEX streams ongoing right now.

It is remarkable that he is in this strong position and not being in the bandwagon, doing a zatsu of all things

>>8117999
the midget munchers will love this

>>8118160
Also Froot with 3,384 and Zentreya with 3,721 for today's collab (surprisingly less than Selen's pov)

>>8118035
Gura wasn't a sure thing at all. Her and Ame's prelife numbers combined were lower than Mint's.

>>8118193
>this doesn't seem to include premier, does it?
And that's a good thing, it would force people here to remove them manually