/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

ccv + sc
>https://piyo.chats.ninja/
>http://ikioi-ranking.com/
>https://overseas.live-ranking.com/
>https://live-ranking.userlocal.jp/total-ranking/youtube
>https://www.dousetu.com/daily_ranking/
>http://v-ana.com/
>https://playboard.co/en/

Hololive
>https://holo.poi.cat/
>https://twitter.com/holo_data
>https://trackholo.live/en/

Nijisanji
>https://niji-mado.web.app/stats/hourly
>https://twitter.com/2434rankings

>>8056082
ANTICIPATE EN2 NUMBERS

1743万 マリン
1722万 にじさんじ公式
1612万 ホロライブ公式
1045万 渋谷ハル
936万 ぺこら
933万 みこ
929万 葛葉
816万 不破湊
779万 すいせい
634万 犬山たまき
608万 フブキ
506万 はあと
486万 るしあ
466万 叶
448万 あくあ
446万 イブラヒム
426万 スバル
422万 勇気ちひろ
420万 かなた
419万 ノエル
401万 ラミィ


Houshou "koshien slayer" Marine.

>>8056454
Forgot to add this is monthly views for August.

>>8056435
Beating Choco sub acc before debut

>>8056082
Lilith does pretty well for superchats for someone who's openly admitted to having a gaping asshole from her ex bf fucking it so much, Noripro seems like a pretty chill place

>>8056435
The time slot is not Asia friendly. I think the best they can get is 120k.

>>8056569
isnt it sunday for JP?

>HoloEN2 is growing slower than IRyS did
I had to see it to believe it but this prediction panned out.

>>8056615
?
The rat is at 70k already.

>>8056454
>>8056535
How does Marine have nearly twice the views of Pekora despite doing less than a third the number of streams in the same period? Obviously the new original song is part of it but that's a huge gap considering Pekora is grinding the streams as much as she can to climb that "top female streamers" chart

>>8056695

>>8056592
Its 2AM. Dead time for Japan and SEA. They probably have low CCV but the VOD view will be good.

>>8056615
IRyS debuting as a solo-act while also being the first HoloEn Chuuba after Myth cannot be overstated. You also have to account for the retarded way they reveled Gen2 with prelude being absolutely fuck all which cooled some of the hype for Omen and the reveal trailers. I would say that this gen will be a good indicator as to what the current floor for HoloEn is in terms of predebut subs.

>>8056615
the rat is at 70k and the lowest is 62k
with 5 days ahead they all will be 100k or near it.

>>8056615
There are 5 of them. Im sure one of them will has insane boost after debut just like Gura.

>>8056728
Based Lamy butt slapping video and Pirates of the Caribbean parody short. Marine has been making good ass content.

>>8056684
It's been 8 hours. The buff is waning. At this rate they won['t even get 250k before debut.

Is there a chart like this for Hololive?

>>8056841
nigga they get 3-4k subs an hour.
the buff will just get bigger as debuts are near.

>>8056808
If all 5 of them are around 100k by end of day. I'll put their predebut subs floor at 150k

>>8056852
>Hajime
The absolute state.

>>8056592
The relay start at like 2 am for the jp, some of them might be able to stay up to watch the space girl but I doubt they can watch all of them.

>>8056852
I doubt. Even Holostats only started recording their CCV in July last year, that's the farther back one can reliably go to fetch such numbers.
It would be possible to fetch from Playboard (for instance) but their sampling rate is garbage

>>8056841
You're beyond clueless.

>>8056876
EN 1 gonna promote them so i think one of them will get 200k.

>>8056920
How? IRyS was ahead at this point. The memes about recline were true.

>>8056535
>monthly views for August
It's not even over yet

>>8056569
>The time slot is not Asia friendly
It is in the primetime for the intended audience, with the ratgirl debut being 8PM EST

>>8056989
Did Hololive recline already when Botan got 100k subs before debut but none of the EN girls did until after? Have we been in decline all this time?

what did Gura get before debut, that should be the benchmark.

>>8056992
Because she is the best one. Cover always keep the best for last. Im sure her roommate is pretty famous.

>>8057076
IRyS had 235k before debuting. IRyS set the water mark, these girls are clearly falling short of expectations.

>9 hours in
>60-70k subs
Easy debut over 100k, agree with >>8056876 on the 150k floor

>>8057098
around 100k

>>8056852
I'm impressed with mito

Reminder IRyS was at 300k subs when her debut stream ended

>>8057107
It's if anything a good thing if they fall short of Irys, shows that less people are prone to saviour fagging and might actually evaluate their content for real rather then just become dead subs by habit.

>>8057100
I don’t know about roommates but they surely got an all star cast of illustrators

>>8057271
>and might actually evaluate their content
kek, that's not how western subs roll. There is a reason google stopped showing every video from a creator to a sub and make them click a little bell, people in the west use subscribe as
>like
for a channel.

If Youtube implemented a "like" system for channels the number of subscriptions would crater

>>8057126
Did they? I honestly remember none of them getting that until after their debuts.

>>8057359
a lot were sub 100k before debut their wroth started after their debut since it showed the first english vtubers on a easy accessible platform.

>>8057098
Around 80k IIRC. All holoENs hit 100k during their debuts, not before.

>>8057297
Hololive have all the amazing artists while Niji can only get the literally who japs and some Chinese/Korean

>>8057119
9 hours in and in terms of twitter followers, they all already surpassed Elira, the most followed NijiEN, with Sana at 105k. Only a matter of time until those twitter follows convert into youtube subs too before the debut.

>that anon saying provable falsehoods to elicit reverse whiteknights impulse to correct him
I say bring back the Sodapopping guy, at least he was funny and not jealous of the success of others

>>8057297
>>8057414
Holonumbers thread?

>>8057449
It is a miracle they all didn't get suspended. The fact IRyS did may have contributed to her stellar subs growth, that gimmick of communicating through her status

>>8057475
Just regular numbers thread. Talk about whatever numbers you like, bring some new numbers to the fray to stimulate conversation in your preferred direction

>>8057345
I know, but I can dream can't I?
There is nothing worse the saviour fag subbing for a numberfag. It distorts everything.

>>8057499
Irys's twitter suspension became such a meme that it arguably funneled people to her channel. I would attribute her massive pre-debut subcount to Cover not fucking up her countdown with a fakeout like Prelude so people were mega hyped and it's less commitment to sub to 1 vtuber you know nothing about than it is to sub to 5 you know nothing about.

That being said, Council is catching up to Irys's debut PV in views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLnxCyzFgPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=242NgSGBo54

>>8057297
Kronii got the best mama but the worst design. How does that work? The clock on the head is so dumb.

>>8057596
>There is nothing worse the saviour fag subbing for a numberfag. It distorts everything.
It cease to distort the moment you understand this simple reasoning
>there is no correlation between number of subs and any if not all other factors
A higher subbed can get lower CCV, a lower subbed can get higher superchat, subs don't really line up with any other factor.

For all intents subs, CCV, VOD views and superchat are independent variables

>>8057657
She'll be able to hide it (after they learned their lesson with Mori's scythe) and post-debut you'll never see it again.

>>8057744
Does kiara still holds those two fried chikin legs?

>>8057744
A lot of the shit people are complaining about are removable. Also Sana looks great in 2D. She pops out. They lucked out in rig this time

>>8057528

From last thread, cover is close to anycolor now

>>8056082
What did Tomoe do for that?

>>8057855
Can you give me a gist. I'm lazy and what Is Anycolor's in comparison

>>8057744
She doesn't look all that good without it though. Hair too pointy, looks like a Muv Luv character

>>8057881
Zatsudan

Why does Niji's premier get 34k viewers while Maruyama is struggling? Are hakooshi Nijifags so desperate that they'll watch anything regardless of quality?

>>8057886
Check last thread

>>8057855
>>8057886
I would say take a look at the prev thread, some anon lined out the numbers very well.
Any's numbers for the comparable period didn't drop yet but even their prev statement have them ahead.

The surprise here is how much of the gap Hololive erased. 15M USD profit, increased revenue, it was a very good year for them financially

>>8057830
Those are interesting numbers but you'll have to provide context and a prompt to stimulate conversation.

i was wondering why she was having 8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qAp_Gk6CZg

>>8057969
First is Petra's artist. Other 5 are new Holoen artists. Pomu's artist has over 150k followers by the way.

>>8057939
>while Maruyama is struggling
Because Maruyama is shit and nips themselves won't watch it, let alone the western audience that doesn't really like asian style variety shows with
- lots of little squares with people overreacting to everything
- and absurd amount of text overlaid over the footage

And also the fact Cover themselves don't seem to care either way, given the fact they picked a very busy slot to premiere it.

>>8057939
Because it’s fucking shit and the fanbase isn’t interested in variety shows. They just wanna watch muh cute girls doing cute stuff

>>8057924
That's big for her. Is she inclining?

So all of them have gotten past tutorial boss Ankimo, huh? Is there any chance that they get past the other two tutorial bosses before they debut (Yagoo and Choco sub account)? For context, I think only IRyS was able to clear the full tutorial before debut.

>>8057978
Leechpro gotta leech

>>8057969
What I saw in the other previous thread are people mostly touting the investor money as if that alone is the profit when we know that those funds is most likely dried up already. So they have to show actual profit to justify hiring 2x the the size of livers compared to Hololive. They should atleast make double in profit to not look embarrassing.

>>8057999
Pomus artist worked on kantai collection iirc

>>8058025
>Leechpro
Warabe is behind of lot of music videos. A lot of vtubers knew her even before she debuted (even Nene).

>>8057978
Noripro? More like No?leechpro.

>>8058020
She always was at the top among niji females in spacha game

>>8057999
I'll have to say my favorite design for NijiEN gotta be Selen.

>>8058034
Double the revenue, not the profit. They can have high expenses by investing back into the company (tech and livers), resulting in low profit, and it wouldn't be an issue. That's how companies like Amazon worked in their growth phase.

>>8058008
>>8058018
Lots of BS here. Most of the people that actually watch the premier live are the nips retards. They also time those during busy primetime when everyone would rather watch the main attraction. Another point to make is that views for the girls that are actually famous does get decent VODs. Luckily they aren't retarded and selective and let people like Matsuri and Roboco be guests

>>8058043
Doesn't change the fact that Leechpro only get viewers when their members are leeching from outside vtubers

>>8058034
>They should atleast make double in profit to not look embarrassing

Considering how much they still shit on cover in terms of merch, variety’and 3D tech it seems likely.

Also given that they got msi and lize is a regular who keeps getting genshin sponserships.

We also see anycolor using said money to develop their tech and shift to an in house approach.

Cover on the other hand is mostly aiming for multimedia.

Both strategies work but time will tell

>>8058116
>Lots of BS here. Most of the people that actually watch the premier live are the nips retards.

You should watch nijis variety shows and compare covers single one, it’s like night and day.

>>8058196
Can't do that if you're a member of holocult.

>>8056852

>>8058136
Merch, variety and 3D. I don't see a NijiError in the works or a whole ass NijiAlt or a shit ton merch collabs with Nijis. Most of their merch are cheap. Only 3 people at best gets decent merch. Cover is drowning in merch

>>8058196
>>8058224
Holo variety show with A-chan like the last akibahara announcement are comparable with niji? I mean sure murayama suck ass compared to it but niji snack time also suck ass to hologra.

>>8058196
That doesn't change the fact that the people that do show up for the premiers are the nips.

>>8058235
Thanks

>>8058136
>genchink
promoting chink malware is seen as a win to you now? Instead of being the premiere replacement of koshien you decided to put the chink garbage as a point of contention?

>>8058239
>NijiError in the works or a whole ass NijiAlt or a shit ton merch collabs with Nijis. Most of their merch are cheap. Only 3 people at best gets decent merch

Holy fuck, you’re retarded, every single member in the in the branch has merch.

They even built their own website to maximise profits.

https://shop.nijisanji.jp/s/niji/?ima=4158

Then there’s their booth.

https://nijisanji.booth.pm/

Hololive is completely garbage merch wise he’ll and even tech wise

>>8058224
Anon, jealousy and salt is truly an ugly combination. People enjoying other things should not remove anything from your enjoyment from your own thing.

>>8058326
Anon, you are whiteknighting a company. People are yanking your chain to elicit this exact reaction.
Also your "reddit posting" reeks of newfaggotry, lurk some 3 more months before posting

>>8058235
So April 2020 was the month Pekora took the crown away from Aqua

>>8058264
>Holo variety show with A-chan like the last akibahara announcement are comparable with niji?

Anon they have multiple and one show even helps promote products for local shops as well as being entertaining, it’s so low budget but the nips love it.

I want to see cover play to their strengths instead of trying to do something they’re clearly not used to

>>8058326
Again. Most Niji merch are either in-house that are cheap. All merch sponsored collabs are very few and is always the same people. Cover has collabed so far just this year alone with Capcom, Molly, Atre, RedBull, Multiple magazines, Famliy Mart, GoodSmile, Gachapon and many other small companies like glasses and perfumes. I'm not even counting personal vtuber collabs that has merch for them

>>8058328
I have no idea what you're trying to say. Let me explain mine instead: if you're a fan of hololive there's a high probability that you're not watching any other vtubers and also have inexplicable hate for nijisanji.

>>8058235
Man, seeing the numbers laid out like this shows just how tremendous the growth was for all of Hololive in 2020. The combo of chink flu and clippers(chink+ others) really just blew the lid off their growth. I don't think you could BUY better advertising than what happened.

>>8058357
If you wanna talk shit about a company, do it right.

What I’ve seen of holo error, game wise seems pretty good but holo alt still hasn’t given us an update. Was it because of cocos graduation that caused plans to go shit?

>>8058410
The same can be said to nijisanji fans too, so numbers or fuck off.

>>8058363
Those MGS streams were probably the most important in Hololive history

>>8058388
Cover has no real strengths, that's why they're branching out right now trying to find it. On top of that, you can't have a variety show with streamers if you don't have streamers willing to work on it.

>>8058442
Nah. Nijisanji members collab with vtubers outside Nijisanji all the time and some of them like Kenmochi has no trouble promoting them.

>>8058406
> Capcom, Molly, Atre, RedBull, Multiple magazines, Famliy Mart, GoodSmile,

If you exclude molly, Atre and redbull, niji collabed with the same people, plus they got MSI as a sponsor.

Again get those goggles of because unknown for sure cover can do better merch wise given they had great profits.

I also give shit to anycolor handling thier KR branch somewhat mediocrely but they’ve seen some sort of growth.

I’m a fan of both companies but don’t research on both

>>8058436
The project heavily relies on the mangaka that is making the issues. I know they were hiring writers for them. These kind of stuff takes time. They have already gotten enough exposure from it so Cover are probably letting them relax now. The First HoloAlt PV took them about 8 months or so to even release for reference.

>>8058510
I meant do research on both.

>>8058326
Booth's fees are almost nonexistent and building your own infrastructure is expensive, I guarantee you they're not doing their own website for profit reasons.

>>8058510
>I’m a fan of both companies
I don't see how this could be true if you haven't noticed how much Cover have stepped up their tech and merchandise this year.

>>8058505
Show a fucking proof Hololive members doesn't collab with vtubers outside of Hololive. Sora is still collabing with 4kings era vtubers like siro and kotone, Retard.

>>8058527
That’s a fucking garbage timeframe for holoALT given other companies hire mangaka and make manga on a much shorter timeframe.

Alt is being handled like garbage while holo error shows some actual fucking promise.

>>8058410
>there's a high probability that you're not watching any other vtubers
I agree. I fail to see the problem.

>also have inexplicable hate for nijisanji.
That is a name that is virtually unknown for this exact base you are describing.
It is not just that they don't know Nijisanji (let alone hate), many watch their own preferred vtubers and barely know the other talent in the company.
I am positively sure there is a huge segment of the post HoloEN audience that doesn't even know some of the talents like Roboco, and know but never watched some more notable ones like Fubuki and Matsuri.

Maybe some anons in this thread and board hurt your feelings and made you sad but that doesn't mean every single of the millions of watchers for Hololive "hate Nijisanji". They don't. They don't know Nijisanji. They don't know half of the holos either.

So please stick to numbers and drop the jealousy and the saltiness, it is unbecoming.
>also take your meds and obey your mom

>>8058442
You know and I know that Nijisanji fans only tolerate smaller groups, once they start becoming big enough to be a rival they get bitter and start shittalking them on 5ch and Twitter. Hell, you could see the same thing happening on /jp/ and you're seeing it happen in this thread right now.

Shion numbers? the announcement might pull in additional numbers

>8058136
>8058196
>8058326
>8058436
>8058510
All these spacings aaaaaah my eyes.

>>8058510
So you want to remove 3 sponsors for Cover to level out the playing field for Niji? Are you retarded? I haven't even put here the Nissin thing or the monthly Vark they do. Just because they collabed with Nijis before doesn't really mean jack shit because they aren't collabing with them anymore. We are talking about profits here dumbass. No sponsors means no money additional money flowing in,

>>8058580
>this year
That's the important part. Cover only started churning out merch recently. Anycolor was doing it (and hosting events) for ages because they know that you can't rely only on superchats.

>>8058466
Did they ever come back?
I never hear anyone mention them outside of these numbers threads.
As far as gateway streams, it's usually Korone's Doom, Miko's GTA or Asacoco.

>>8058603
Are you living in a numbers thread bubble? Thoguh even here you can see examples like "I haven't seen any of Nijisanji show but they are definitely worse than Hololive's"

>>8058580
>I guarantee you they're not doing their own website for profit reasons.

Anon are you fucking serious right now, booth does in fact take a fee but it’s much less, the only reason they still use booth is because of the tipping system that allows it’s profits to be taken without fees.

having your own website so you can maximise profits with even less fees than booth but with the trade off of no tipping.

>>8058580
Anon I’m excited for holo error, watch marine and suisei on the regular and learn my art from ina but that does t mean I should suck covers dick.

Same goes for anycolor with how their India poo in the loo branch went and the whole meiro roa incident but then again meiro was an unstable bitch.

I will never ever support companies and only the talents

>>8058601
They are probably being handled by separate teams. Achan for one is handling a lot of the music side of things. The BGMs she's been uploading in the official channel are really good. I wish they could upload the radio show on the official channel as well or even have it live on there.

>>8058608
>Nijisanji fans
>start shittalking them on 5ch and Twitter
lol

>>8058761
It's true tho, stop pretending your hands are clean

>>8058633
Maybe because I can add that niji had a sponsership with one of the biggest clothing companies in Japan, MSI and niji got their equivalent to molly online which I can’t remember the name of

>>8058794
Stop posting here and return to sucking anticocks, 5chmatometard-chama

>>8058623
What announcement?
Also how many guests is she having if she's mentioned?

>>8058739
It's called outsourcing dumb dumb. Less manpower to hire and manage. It's way cheaper.

>>8058656
I would say one of the most iconic clips of Pekora and one big big push for her growth in the west was this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fmr21ZZEhk

It is not memorable as Miko burning her stuff with lava but I remember when this dropped (due to a passing interest in people accidentally destroying their stuff in Minecraft and other games) and this got a HUGE traction in those "fail" circles.

Interestingly enough that was not even the JP server, as it didn't have netherite yet

>>8058739
Anon please, for the love of matsuri. Stop adding a space between your sentence.

>>8058739
Please continue spacing, it's easier on the eyes.

>>8058830
I’ll do what I want seeing faggots being wrong about anycolor and cover is infuriating but it’s a given that number threads are full of retards.

>>8058647
Cover only got big enough to have the cashflow to do it this year. Their balance sheet was posted earlier, they're spending 5x as much as they were last year (and more than 400x what they were spending in FY18-19).

>>8058739
I literally work on payment systems anon, I know the numbers. They are not saving money by running their own store.
I'm also not saying you should suck cover's dick, just acknowledge that they clearly are improving.

>>8058797
We already counted how many sponsorships Cover has gotten this year alone with merch and without merch tied to them. It's significantly more than what Niji has. Most Nijis have right now are self-promos. The holo girls are very marketable right now

>>8058892
>It's significantly more than what Niji has
You can't make this assertion in the numbers thread without posting numbers.

People will think you are pulling this from your ass and think you are either a retard or just pretending.
Defend yourself from these unfounded accusations and back your post with numbers

>>8058892
Can you list Niji's sponsorships here btw?

>>8058892
I’ll wait until cover gets real heavy hitters
https://twitter.com/shimamura_gr/status/1425260679418716165?s=21

Covers evangelion one was impressive however

>>8058656
No cuz Konami. It was iconic for numberfags because of the numbers at that time.

>>8058892
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lomkIQEhxlA

>>8058937
>>8058938
You can check the archives for that but someone already listed all the announcements that both Cover and Anycolor posted on their Twitter. Half of what Niji posted are their own merch. You duds are tourists

>>8058992
>You can check the archives for that but someone already listed
Indulge the good lads in this thread and contribute for a better thread, repost it

Pekora is doing her best to beat the cock (ointment) sponsorship stream

>>8058656
/vt/ in general skews massively towards newfags who weren't around for them, but that was what really got the ball rolling, they got crazy numbers for the time and without the people who came from that the Korone Doom streams etc. wouldn't have spread to new people as much

>>8058968
You are coping. People were touting about the baseball sponsorship that Niji got last year and then when Cover got it this year even though they partnered with Nijis, nijitards suddenly became dismissive of it. Lot's of backpedalling. Even solo sponsorships is impressive for Cover like Lamy's premium sake or Korone's miniature from SpiritAle. I'm waiting for Marine's miniature. Looks great

>>8058968
Yum! Brands and Red Bull are good sponsorships to have.

Here anons, to push the thread into a more numerical direction

>Shion anniversary
PREDICTIONS?

No scheduled overlaps, no debuffs (like branch debuffs or Kiara debuffs), relatively popular but often absent talent.
Last year she peaked at 58k so that's the "over/under".

I say over 58k

>>8058889
Speaking of shops, Cover seem to be setting one up for hololive using shopify
https://shop.hololivepro.com/
Wonder if you would know what that means for them

>>8058608
This, just go to nijisanji fan discord and search for holo. These fags can't help it.

>>8058968
XBox Gamepass was very decent and given how much Microsoft wants people to use that they must be paying a good money to get Botan
>to the point Cover must have made a "package deal" and told them "to have Botan you'll have to take Luna as well"

>>8059154
She seems to have retained her viewership, much like Ayame does, for her recent streams despite the absence. Over 58k might be doable but did she announce any guests?

>>8059154
Apex...

>>8059154
Guests list: Tower, CatDog, Friend, Whore, GTA nigga.
70k minimum.

>>8059154
60k maybe.

>>8059094
>nijitards suddenly became dismissive of it

You mean holofags saying the meme that nijiniggers lost thier sponsership when it doesn’t work that way lmao.

>>8059190
Lets be honest the EN 2 designs look like fucking trash compared to EN 1

>>8059221
Ignore this, i look at the wrong banner. but save this for mio 3D live

>>8059154
50k

>>8059154
>rare character
50k-60k

Wait are fags dismissing nijiniggers got a huge as fuck sponsership with a huge clothing store?

https://twitter.com/shimamura_gr/status/1425260679418716165?s=21

>>8059190
Is it as relevant to their overall fanbase as their subreddit?

>>8059211
APEX is not much of an overlap, considering what even Anya pulled yesterday head to head with it.

Speaking of APEX
> M-Matuli ...

I genuinely never seen a so complete and methodical destruction of ones own audience.
Even Haachama knew when it was time to stop grinding her beloved long time Haaton with the schizoarc and dropped it to return to form.
22 minutes in and both Matsuri and Choco are barely pushing 1k because people prefer watching the people actually not dying every 3 seconds and just move to Ronoco, Towa or Astel (if he was streaming)

>SOMEONE PLEASE SAVE MATULI

>>8059312
The subreddit is the least relevant of all when it comes to foreign Nijisanji fans. Discord > 4chan > reddit, in that order.

>>8059312
their subreddit is a graveyard, apart from twitter discord is where they all hang out

>>8059290
Sponsorship? I just thought they were gonna start carrying Niji stuff in their brick and mortar stores. A sponsorship seems small time in comparison.

>>8059340
>Haachama dropping the schizoarc
Not so fast: https://youtu.be/-Jl9PAdb9HM

Pecor and apex vtubers btfo

>>8059161
Maybe they want to consolidate their domestic and overseas merch stores. Booth is pretty terrible for physical goods going overseas and Geekjack are a shitshow.
Shopify is the market leader so that's not really a surprising pick. They would need a company to actually deal with shipping stuff for them though, Shopify just handles orders and payments.

>>8059290
Shimamura is a budget store that was traditionally seen as pretty uncool, it's not much to brag about.

>>8059355
>>8059385
And yet foreign niji fans still make 1% of overall fanbase at very best

Current top 12
>Pekora
>Kuzuha
>Niji sponsored
>APEX
> APEX, APEX, APEX, APEX
> APEX, APEX, APEX, APEX

>>8059392
Yeah, it's not exactly right to call it a sponsorship, more like a cooperative venture. Also a sign that Nijisanji has really hit the normie mainstream.

https://piyo.chats.ninja/

>>8059458
Oh, wait, no, there is Kanata notAPEX

>>8059462
Yeah, I'm fucking sure its the passerby or normie looking for clothes who is going to buy it, instead of niji fans going out of their way to buy it.

>>8059154
90k, with a last minute run to 100k
screencap this

t. shiokko

>>8059429
>Shimamura is a budget store that was traditionally seen as pretty uncool, it's not much to brag about.

If that follower count is anything to go by, it’s actually huge despite your opinion and remember normies are into that garbage.

Oh yeah I also haven’t seen this being brought up but despite nijiID’s lower numbers they get a ton of sponserships, more so than HoloID.

Why is that? Isn’t HoloID bigger?

>>8059579
HoloID are HoloEN rejects

>>8059579
HoloID is en lite, not kidding

>>8059579
HoloID is not seen as safe to the Indonesian domestic market due to their relative popularity overseas. One of them was apparently caught insulting Islam, that's the sort of thing that will get you blacklisted by Indonesian authorities.

HOLY SHIT NIJISANJI JUST GOT PERMISSIONS FROM BANDAI

https://twitter.com/nijisanji_app/status/1427593568923754498?s=21

>>8059676
Not even insulting Islam but saying a muslim greeting, a christian greeting and a buddhist greeting in the same sentence "to cover all bases", in a humorous manner

That's not the reason for their lack of participation on the local market tho, the popularity of the popular ones is mostly JP or overseas

>>8059524
They wouldn't need to go out of their way to buy it because Shimamura is so big they have stores everywhere, and those passerbys or normie looking for clothes are all niji fans in the first place. That's what it means to be mainstream.

>>8059579
cover management simply isn't smart, I don't think even hololive fans will deny this

>>8059697
Good for them, though iM@s fags will still seethe anyway.

>>8059697
It's a blanked permission, and to play Idolmaster Shiny Colors.
You need to do your japanese reps
https://twitter.com/imassc_official/status/1427541504084512769

>>8059697
Anon anyone can play it now...

>>8059713
People usually say sponsorships are more lucrative for the chuuba, but I wonder if that's also the case for HoloID. Would they make more from SCs from foreign countries or would they make more from sponsorships from local companies?

>>8059754
More than anything, they're just inexperienced. They do come from a tech company making a hard shift into an entertainment company after all, and even a more inexperienced company will have problem putting out fires like Capcom apocalypse, Coco's Taiwan backlash and youtube randomly banning some of their bigger entertainers.

>>8059676
>>8059713
Which holoID you are talking about?

>>8058821
Totally, the clips were a much easier introduction to people for Vtubers, rather than full streams.

Since i was around for it i can safely say the Netherite sword clip is just the most consistent Pekora clip in numbers, because it also is the "definitive Pekora clip" to get people to understand her content.
It was in the top 10 in the beginning, but nothing close to "Rise of Usada Constructions", or the Pekora Pumpkin trap, those were more her early days intro clips.
By July when this was posted, "the classics" with Band-Aid, Rushia destroys her Switch, Scatman, neighbor war and "my parents found out i'm a vtuber" were already pretty old.

>>8059676
>>8059713
Stop spreading rrats, those yabs never took off at all. And the reason why NIJI ID have more local sponsor is simply because they have 3 times the number of vtubers than holo.

>>8059355
I'm not trying to be a dick but I genuinely can't stand anyone from a fandom discord on any level. They are always the worst their sector of the fandom has to offer.

>>8059755
Why? Nijisanji vtubers didn't have any drama involving iM@s.

>>8059897
More like because they mostly speak in Indonesian, hell they have their own webcomic

https://m.webtoons.com/id/challenge/nijisanji-id-days/list?title_no=527307&page=1

>>8059862
>>8059897
>Stop spreading rrats, those yabs never took off at all.
I agree, half a dozen retards seething about nothing, as usual

>>8059154
70k same as miko, i dont think shes stronger

>>8058797
iirc MSI/Asus or some other tech company I don't remember did try to sponsor Hololive but pulled back after receiving hate email from chinks

>>8059965
They have own music too.

>>8059924
>They are always the worst their sector of the fandom has to offer.
KEK, true and you and I are saying this in the fucking second worst place (after discord)

>>8059965
Pretty much this. HoloID had a choice to make in the past
>big fish in small pond
>small fish in big pond
They seem to have gone for the later option, the international market

>>8059998
It was Asus, and it was more because the Asus CN PR manager started sperging out on social media over the collab, making threats and so on.

>>8059788
Don't think holos will stream it anyway considering their previous experiences

>>8060068
Asus does business in Taiwan and get's some of their chipsets from there directly.

>>8059579
I didn't say they're not big anon, just that it's not a step up from the deals both agencies have already had with Family Mart or whoever. Stores like that will carry anything and it's probably Anycolor who are on the hook for cost of goods if they don't sell.

>>8060107
Anon...

>>8060114
Asus was founded in Taiwan, actually. CN is the side branch, though I'm not sure what that has to do with what I wrote.

>>8060163
Seems hypocritical to care about Taiwan at that point. The cognitive dissonance to wrestle with this fact must be mind bending.

>>8060162
Anon...

>>8060196
I doubt anyone related to Hololive cares or lacks care for geopolitics. Both the talent and the audience are in for
>cute anime girls doing cute anime things, but interactively

Starting soon. Watch out for those numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlqbZK1UWx0

>>8060107
>considering their previous experiences
Wut? Elaborate?

Anyway, I don't know about idolmater but that "Idol Manager" surely is picking u+ attention from the vtubers as a whole and holos in particular.
Maybe Bandai felt the heat?

>>8059154
65k

>>8060196
Well, long story short it's more of the fact that Hololive has been portrayed as disrespecting China and you get to virtue signal for free attention by bashing them in public. To take an example from the opposite side of the aisle, it's like publicly bashing Blizzard and declaring you will do anything to stop your own company working with them because they punished Blitzchung.

>>8058235
Shion and Ayame really got the sweet spot
low enough to not kill yourself on the job like the big 3 but high enough to hold a respectable position.

>>8060291
Holos played Idolmaster with monetization turned on without asking for permission, Bandai got mad.

>>8060322
More similar to game devs striking Pewdiepie because he said nigger and urging others to do that
>but on a much higher level because chink companies all derive their power from the same source

>>8060348
Before or after Capcom? If before that's water under the bridge, the companies were right, Cover was wrong, they admitted to their mistake, promised to rectify
>Cover CEO went to hostess bars with the CEOs of the game companies, they sniffed coke out of the titties of a hostess suspiciously to Noel
and they patched things up

>>8060348
There was also that moment with Miko singing certain song during her return stream

>>8060409
Before capcom, hell before ichikara got Nintendo permissions

>>8060411
that one died faster than the BL incident

>>8060564
Still made enough waves to trend on twitter

>35k from the waiting room momentum
50k seems achievable, may be around the same numbers as last year

So it doesn't seem to be a strict live. My prediction will probably be very off in that case.

>>8060816
What was your prediction? 50k is on sight now

>>8057855
Am waiting for Cover to buy a twitter topic to ramp up those like/retweets on twitter

>>8060816
Yea, this is more like a Totsu x sololive, with an original song released after.
Caps at like 55-60k then.

>>8061019
>>8061070
135k

Looks like 50k is going to be the max, a drop from last year's.

>>8061218
Well when compared to last year, she took too many breaks this year. Gen 2 rank is this now.

Subaru = Aqua > Ayame > Shion > Choco

>>8061218
It’s already inching to 52k, 30 min in

>>8061019
I had 65k. I assumed a normal live with good pacing of guests.

With that said, I see some potential in this format for numbers for none idol centric talents.
There might need some tweaks but it's a change of pace if nothing else.

Last years 3D live was with Coco, the anniversary itself only hit 35k

>>8061329
If that breaks 500k, might as well graduate the entire industry.

>>8061218
? What last year's ?
Looking at what she did for last year, it wasn't a 3d live for her 2nd anniversary.

>>8061349
>>8061395
Samefagging for being a dumdum here, I missed the 3d thing it wasn't on her anniversary specifically. Yea, I don't know if there were more lives than last year's but the difference in activity + all these lives have probably been a bit much for everyone.

>>8061329
junbros..

>>8061463
Definitely a lot more 3D lives this year, gen 5 alone added 3 in short proximity. There's probably a bit of concert fatigue going on I guess?

>>8061526
Mio's should be the last one right? Any other concerts for the next two days?

Was shion depressed or something during her breaks? I could see her inclining if she took streaming as a career and vocal training for 2-3 years

>>8061548
Mio puking cake in glorious 3D full HD 4K surround sound ASMR 3dio was pure kino, specially for being in the first song
https://youtu.be/tG5X-2VDQws

It was not in august tho

55k is pretty decent giving her infrequent delivery schedule this year.

>>8061619
I don't know why you replied to me with that

>>8061591
Yes

>>8061591
Roommate stuff, part of the reason why she moved.
Suffice to say she should be okay now, but there was definitely some doomposting from what I could clean without going to deep.
She's also very young, probably youngest next to Haachama iirc. So having to deal with the bullshit she did, I can completely understood why she felt she needed to stop streaming before it was all death with.
Still, hitting 55k is solid all things considered.

>>8061548
Mio's should be the last one for this month IIRC.

>>8061643
>>8061678
Pretty solid for mostly sololive

>>8061678
Oh holy shit I hate phone autocorrect sometimes. Clean->glean and death->dealt

>>8061282
Gen 2 is pretty strong minus Choco who lost her niche .

apex is a disease

>>8061754
I can understand the Apex streams since it’s for a tournament. But then you have Mori streaming Bloodstain over Shions anniversary stream.

>>8061754
1100 viewers. 1,1mln subscribers.

>>8061678
Yeah, 55k is good. Hope she takes Subaru's route and streams frequently.

>>8061750
Choco still does ASMR and gets good numbers from it. Heck, mel and choco could take asmr again at this point.

>>8061829
Mel mentioned in passing in one of her streams that
>it’s not that I have to stop the game now but I want to watch Towa’s(?) live
indicating there is no stream reserved slot lately for these lives.

She went on to stream over Nene a couple of days later

>>8056082
>Ayame losing to Tomoe
that's what you get for not streaming.

Lamy is going to overtake Korone. By the end of the month, she'll be 9th in superchats globally.

More MC for you all. Eat it.

>>8061885
Kek, Subaru is a genki girl with anime protag optimism while Shion is a depressed edgy teen going through phase.

I would say 55k is a good showing by Shion. Especially since the Totsu parts kind of killed of the growth curve. I don't know if we've been spoiled lately with guests singing but without it just doesn't hit as high peaks.(Exception being Aqua)

If the format would have been something like.
1 or 2 Solo Song -> Russia segment -> Shion + Rushia song -> okayu segment -> Shion + Okayu song -> Aqua segment -> Shion + Aqua song. -> Shion + Rushia + Okayu + Aqua song -> Original song.
This might not be possible due to covid restrictions, but I can see that format working well for any talent who can't carry only a solo live to high peaks.

>>8059897
>And the reason why NIJI ID have more local sponsor is simply because they have 3 times the number of vtubers than holo.
What kind of logic is this?

>>8061329
You can stop posting that site already.

>>8062103
Just do 5-10 minute segments into 2 parts like How marine dealt with her soap opera special. I don't want to see this blue screen shit on an anniversary special when it could've been done in a separate solo video like Coco's green screen spam. Heck, they could do a 30 minute concert then merch news followed by a 3D stream of a game afterwards.

>>8061619
Hope she delivers this year too

Why do you have to keep repeating that 55k is good?

>>8062398
Why not?

>>8062398
because its not lol

Himawari got 20k.
SakaYui got 33k.

so yes 55k is good.

Not holonumbers thread btw

>>8062615
niji numbers today are all apex
yesterday people talked about the niji lives

nobody should be expection Shion to reach Marine's level anyways

>>8062615
Being salty and seething won’t convince people to talk about what you want. Posting numbers and giving a prompt will.

Shions numbers were enough to put zombie back to her place, so no complaints here

Aqua's MC hardcore numbers isn't as high as I thought, but maybe it's because pekora and miko is also playing MC

Miko and Aqua going head to head at 11k minecraft. Is aqua's hardcore a buff or debuff when compared to miko's holoserver approach?
>>8062965 im just link you because we said basically the same thing lol

>>8061329
Huh, so they broke up.

There's a whole lot of apex today. Is it tourney day for VSaikyo?

>>8062965
Lives corner everybody in the same slot and I doubt people would drop Peko or Miko in the JP server for Aqua elsewhere

>>8063013
Scrim D-2

>>8063013
Scrims

>>8063051
>11k after 22 minutes with Minecraft buff
No way. Isn't Miko like tier 1.5, only slightly below Peko, Marine, Gura?

>>8063051
Yea, aqua is doing a seperate world run HC run, she'd be higher otherwise.
>>8063013
Scrims, so expect more apex until the tourney is done.

>King, claimant King
>Queen, claimant Queen
It’s a beautiful chart today

>>8063292
>only slightly below Peko, Marine, Gura?
Only when playing on her own turf. Minecraft is Pekora’s shadow realm, overlapping with her there is numbers suicide

>>8063051
Neither Pekora's or Miko's stream seem to be a conventional stream either. Miko doing some record thing(whatever that is) and Pekora planning to summon 5(?) Withers.. Aqua's hardcore might just be skipped by pure minecraft viewers due to it have been done recently by a quite a few other holos.

>>8063386
Puts in perspective the MASSIVE numbers Marine got on her HC Minecraft but, truth be told, people are tuning in greater numbers because of the rarity of her presence, throat problems and all.

Of she maintain those averages tho, that would be a steep incline

>>8063584

>>8063362
I see. If overlapping with other Holos can tank her numbers that much then her core fanbase isn't really that big after all. Also
>Shigure Ui 7.7k
I remember her consistently getting 15k on average, guess Hololive fans don't care about her anymore.

>>8063651
Stop being salty and jealous anon. Other people success doesn’t necessarily mean the lack of success for the ones you like.

Being in the numbers thread is not doing well for your mental sanity, I suggest meds and touching grass

loooool, Aqua's viewers really went to shit. This bitch gets less viewers than Mito now. She used to be the most popular holo. What happened?

>Youtube starting fucking JP branch's live views
Oh no no no no JP bros
This is normal for EN girls by the way

>>8063740
Pekora >>8058235

>>8063740
She got addicted to Apex and with that it all went to shit.

>>8063740
>>8063862
This and she fell for the idol meme. She’s still the #4 or #5 highest median CCV and her worst streams averages over 90% of the industry

>>8063862
Nah her decline started happening much earlier. Somewhere around Ark and Smabros drama.

>>8063735
Eh, I'm just saying it like it is. You don't even know my favorite vtubers.
>>8063634
So this is top Holo's true power, stacking buffs and shits...beautiful.

she's currently the 4th for ccv right now, stop doom mongering.

quit replying to bait retards

>>8063924
Azur Lane collab, Hololive Resistahce and Neighbor wars boosted her.
Then Coco happened, girls dropped MC for Ark and Gamers (FBK and Korone) landed a couple of heavy hitting memes and Aqua got left behind.
The fact she was the fan favorite of the zhangs and was the heaviest casualty (along with FBK and Matuli) of the zhangs (and their clippers) retreat didn’t help

>>8063933
>You don't even know my favorite vtubers.
Exactly. Instead of talking about the good things about your faves you spend an inordinate amount of time and energy trying to find things to diminish the success of others.
As I said, saltiness and jealousy is unbecoming.

Prove you’re not a mindless zombie, say 5 Holos you like and 3 things you like about each
(PROTIP: you can’t)

Nijis got the right to stream idolmaster with monetisation, since they’re part of a company it’s huge that they got the ok from Bandai.

The Dominoe effect could lead to Bandai trusting nijis to allow them to play other games with monetisation.

>>8064129
0/10 dogshit bait.

>>8064129
I don't think they're that picky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjmkH2tbFZc

>>8064187
That's a different game

>>8064187
damn holobronies are retarded

>>8064129
>trust
jesus how naive are you? if bandai want money then they don't fucking care about trust and will negotiate a cut with any company willing to pay just like capcom.

>Peko Minecraft not above 30,000 viewers today

>>8064180
>>8064187
>>8064260

Remember that thinking is what caused the holocaust

>>8064129
>Nijis got the right to stream idolmaster with monetisation
Bandai opened idolmaster for all anon. It’s a blanket license

>>8064338
What caused it was streaming with abiding by the copyright holders license. It could have been any company taking exception

>>8064338
Holocaust happens because management got spooked like retard, the strike by capcom is a signal to come to the negotiation table.

>>8058326
>every single member in the in the branch has merch
Anon those are self produced that came from the chuubas own pocket and for them. You cant add this as one of anykara main revenue

Is it true Yagoo resents how popular Pekora has become. When he and her got on bad terms?

Obviously he want Sora, Fubuki, Sakura Miko to become face of Hololive.

>>8064429
>the strike by capcom is a signal to come to the negotiation table.
Has they have taken a third strike on Mio’s channel that content creator would never be allowed to stream on YouTube again under any account.
Capcom could easily find 3 videos from most girls and three strike them all at any moment, or tag team with Nintendo and Bandai and do likewise.

If a madman shoots one of your workers twice in the leg and say “come out and negotiate or the third is in the head” you 100% will evacuate the whole company floor and send a negotiator

>>8064478
Not a gossip thread. Post numbers or leave.

Lol I guess that "salt & seethe" anon actually believes he's still talking with me

>>8064478
Rrat thread is down and to the left.