/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

NijiEN males will kill the holostars almost completely.

>>7970127
Yes, Robe himself already have discussion with itou life, gatchman and meika about how hard it is for male vtuber outside Nijisanji

>>7970127
Probably. I don't understand the psyche of those who watch male vtubers but it seems they don't favor Holostars. I've heard a dozen different reasons, all plausible, and perhaps added together they explain it.

>>7970127
If Cover didn't drop the ball in promoting Stars earlier they wouldn't need to lean on EOPs to show up to their streams so much and put up with them disrespecting their stream rules. They're doing better now, and are getting 3D alongside being shown with the girls in merch, but it's been too long too late. Temma and Miyabi have been lagging behind numberswise and it was thanks to Temma's English learning that got him up to 100k finally, Miyabi is still not there.
I wouldn't compare them to Edengumi as they're celebrated for being the first JP debuts since a year in the company that spams debuts. Better to compare them to VALZ, an all male group that debuted over a year ago.
Also nice job posting the guys who are roommate friends, stop trying to pit them against each other

>>7970347
Early next year they're dead in the water, then.

>>7970127
But Roberu can get 40k+ vod views.

they could not catch up to niji because they have the debuff of being labelled as idols, debuff of separated branding unlike niji which is universal regardless of gender, and debuff of playing catch up to niji since niji atm is the standard when it comes to male chuubas.

>>7971375
Not within the last few months he hasn't. And there's a big difference when one of them gets 40k VOD views at a high and the other gets them at a low.

>>7970127
Just make them do more collabs with hololive girls they're part of the same company what's the big deal

>>7971530
They don't incline from Hololive collabs because they don't share an audience. Those who want to see cute girls and those who want to see attractive men are not the same.

>>7970127
Why is Roberu imprisoned?

>>7971604
Tried to escape from Animare's dungeon.

>>7971530
because it fuck the money up

>>7971695
I wonder, do Animare fans appreciate Roberu becoming the unintentional harem lead of the group?
are there any Animare fans here who can say?

>>7970127
All Holostars have achieved at least Shibuya Hajime's level of popularity. Therefore the answer is yes.

>>7971776
I only started watching Animare/774 thanks to Roberu so my opinion doesn't matter but I like them and Rene is cute and hot

>>7971804
Sorry, I meant no, it's not impossible.

>>7971776
Same as the anon above me, Roberu was my gateway to Kuku and Izumi. I like to watch him sweat bullets in collabs.

>>7970127
Fuck why did they have to make Mashiro so sexy?

>>7971776
they don't really mind since Robe is a fun guy. Heck someone just sends marsmallow on Haneru stream asking which animare is Robe favourite?

>>7972053
They all seem to accept each other, Izumi is found in Roberu's chat quite a bit too. Helps that all their interactions aren't shippy despite the harem jokes, it's like the same shit as Tamaki and the gals holding Roberu hostage in the reverse totsu, just playing around

>>7972156
>all their interactions aren't shippy
I know RobeKuku hasn't collabed that much lately but all those roleplay are definitely shippy moment.

>>7970793
WTF, not only is Roberu fucking Animare, but he's also plowing Mashiro's boy pussy? The hell. Life is unfair man, he can't keep getting away with this.

>>7972352
Yeah but it's playing around IMO. Not actual shipbait where they're 'into each other'

>>7970127
They just do what the girls do. Going to need a better reason to watch them if they're the same thing.

>>7970127
Stars have been trying to leech from nijis recently, so who knows. Niji is also known for doing charity work and helping literal whos, so I guess it`s time for them to get used again by Cover.

>>7972959
Stop calling every collab "leeching"
Do you think only people who have exactly the same sub count can collab together?

>>7971530
they already collab more often with ID. works better because they got less of an idol image and need a little promo too. and you know what, it's fun and not even awkward like that Rikka-Mori collab shit where she obviously wanted to fuck him.

>>7972959
You do know that tournament isn't hosted by Nijisanji right

>>7973034
There is collabing because you're friends, and there is this.

>>7973152
The purple girl is a niji.

>>7973157
Translate please?

>>7973180
But she isn't the one who organized it and neither was Astel so how exactly is he leeching?
>>7973239
Astel showed Kanae around Disney. Kanae was also complimenting him on his stream completely randomly and has also shown up to Izuru's Apex stream where Izuru was notig down how many hackers he encountered.

>>7973180
and a niji whose only successful because she leeched off the nips instead of her dying gook branch at that.

>>7970127
The only way for Holostars to incline is for Cover to recruit some already popular talent and promote the fuck out of them, and they won't do it as it would alienate their JP idolfag base.

>>7973157
Astel has been smart about this, first he got close to a literal who niji girl that was friends of Kanae, then went after his other korean friend, soon after that started posting in his chat to gain attention, and now he is dming him and getting clipped (by nips) just because he talked about him in his stream. Very smart, he picked the right person to leech, since Kanae is known for collabing with people with 30 views with no prejudice.

>>7973483
>literal who niji girl
Who?

>>7973549
Miyako
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M2gCFvpF5qM

>>7973483
kanae is kuzuha's 2nd groomer so he's probably into this

>>7974057
>groomed Kuzuha into fanservice and singing but the guy hates doing outfit stuff
>zeroes in on a guy who loves singing and wouldn't be opposed to dressing up and dancing around for a pretty male
It's over for Astel

>>7974171
this anon gets it.
kuzuha outviews and outsubs kanae but the truth is we wouldn't have the current kuzuha if it weren't for kanae. he would have improved on his own eventually but kuzuha wouldn't be as comfortable and fun in collabs as he is now if it weren't for kanae being there in the beginning to tard wrangle him and go through socialization for him. kuzuha's qualities may appeal to a larger audience but there's a reason kanae has gachis who are this schizo and this willing to spend money.
plus as mentioned, the fact that he was able to not only force kuzuha into idol/BL fanservice shit, but also make kuzuha grow to enjoy it more than he did at first is very telling - this guy knows exactly what he's doing. rindou mikoto groomer rrat is reposted on this board as a haha funny meme but the one actually pulling the strings? it's kanae.

>>7974307
People would only know if they could move past 'Anycolor made Chronoir' when it was really Kanae. Kuzuha would not be enduring dance practice if it was company mandated.

>>7974171
He doesn’t hate doing fan service

>>7975167
He definitely used to be uncomfortable with it but now he looks forwards to doing it. But he still hates changing his outfits despite his mama showering him in clothes

Btw, Kanae said that he’ll have another outfit and he wants to reveal it this month

>>7971530
Not happening after the matsuri incident. Viewers made their voice clear: no males

>>7970127
Holohomos cant hold a candle to my Mashiro. Truely the best male Vtuber.

>>7975210
I wouldn’t say he was ever really uncomfortable with it. He just gets embarrassed easily. Now he just has a little more confidence and drive. You know 恋してけ〜? He doesn’t hate changing outfits either he just doesn’t feel the need to plus his gimmick is that he never changes out of his jersey because he’s a lazy NEET

>>7975437
I guess I shouldn't use the word uncomfortable, the whole point was just joking around, but he remarked how different his stance was on fanservice on Chronoir day, where it went from 'something to do' to 'something I like to provide'

>>7975437
>be kuzuha channel nijisanji
>be given multiple outfits (and ACTUAL SEX(tm) heart eyes) drawn by a competent artist
>rig is also pretty quality
>never use any of that shit because you're a lazy motherfucker
i hate this guy

>>7977180
He has a funny surprised face

>>7974951
Anyone who's been around Nijisanji long enough gets to know how much Kanae is "partially" responsible for their success and current image.
Especially the unity he brought to Gamers.
>>7974307
It does sound like he did more than just bring Kuzuha in-line, which is what most people say about Chronoir.

>>7970629
Link? I don't watch the homos, but that sounds interesting

>>7978217
https://youtu.be/2z29gVYBi1k

>>7979716
My N7 ass can't follow this. Please, a scrap of context, what did they say?

I sometimes think it would be better if Axia ended up in Holostars and Roberu in Nijisanji.

>>7970127
>Is it impossible for Holostars to achieve the same level of popularity as Nijimales in the future?
they can, by sacrificing the females just like niji

>>7979789
For what I can remember, Meika talks about being male vtuber are always been hard since the beginning since he was from Kizuna Ai era. Robe talk about Holostars hardship mainly their rough start and imply Cover mistreatment (very indirectly of course). While gatchman talks about how different it is being a vtuber compared to a regular streamer.

>>7980117
Why Axia of all males? And Roberu is synonymous with Holostars it would be so strange for him to leave.

>>7980296
Or by spinning them off into a separately managed company. Cover has a conflict of interest when it comes to keeping the Hololive harem popular but also fostering a competitive male branch that will compete with them for time and attention. Holostars' success would potentially mean overtaking hololive as the quintessential Cover brand. Running these two gender segregated and partially oppositional (as in the compete with rather than benefit from one another) branches will inevitably leave one neglected. This is crushing for the stars, as male streamers require bigger budgets due to not being able to use GFE as a crutch. If the stars aren't getting the backing they need to properly compete with the female livers' inherent social avantage, it'll be a wonder if they can ever break one million subs by 2023.

My opinion as a man is such that, if I were to ever become a streamer, I'd rather live free as an indie or join Nijisanii than ever hop on board the sinking ship that is Holostars. The idol harem model only works for women, and if that's the route cover wants to go down then they might as well do the stars a favor and sell them to Nijisanji.

>>7980117
>roberto in niji
he is happy to be in holostars so no
>axia in stars
he wouldn't be pretending to date lauren on stream for my enjoyment so also no

>>7973483
Eh, Kanae has been taking interest in Astel and Izuru for quite a while now.

>>7971530
The girls don't want to collab with them

>>7980117
please don't drag the poor catboy into this bullshit.

>>7973483
And when he's big enough, he's gonna throw the Nijis that he can't leech anymore into the trash like used condoms. Just like how Hololive girls did, Holopros are all the same after all.

>>7970127
Kinda? They're gaining some tracking now but the general vtuber buff is pretty much over. Doesn't help that they're mostly competing for EOPs and NijiEN is going to have their own males soon.

>>7984287
The only Holo who "throws" past male collab to trash is Miko and she's throwing Hajiki so not much grudges from that. Others got busy but don't rule out collabing with males.

>>7984287
except this is kanae so he knows what he's doing

>>7984287
Astel doesn't do shit like that.

>>7970127
Niji isn't courting the idolfag audience like Cover does so there are things the Nijis can get away with like the Niji males get to collab regularly with the females and the fanbase doesn't lose it's collective mind. Obviously that's not the same with Cover.

>>7978046
I'd dare to say kanae is 2nd/3rd most influential person in hololive after Mito/Touya.

anyway cool talk but this is now a unity thread
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CKxX-gl842Q

>>7984402
Subaru, Fubiki, Mio, Miko and many more all act like Maimoto doesn't exist now when in the past, they acted like they're the bestest friends that collab with each other 5 times a month
Kanata used to talk to Mayuzumi on twitter and retweeted his streams but nowadays she said she'll NEVER EVER interact with male and the upcoming collab with male(I wonder who it's gonna be) is the mismanagement from the manager

>>7984808
Fubuki wasn't his friend she just showed up to collabs with her friends, and she still collabs with guys leave her out of this

>>7984808
>and the upcoming collab with male(I wonder who it's gonna be) is the mismanagement from the manager
What?

>>7982975
>he wouldn't be pretending to date lauren on stream for my enjoyment so also no
i love and appreciate how honest this is anon, thank you. also i agree, axia has fit well into niji so far so i can't understand wanting to him to be in another group.

honestly just more collabs between the groups would make me happy because i love them both. all the boys seem to love their group mates. they're fine as they are now.

>>7971530
I'd love to see more collabs but viewers don't want them to collab :( especially the people in other threads they'd go absolutely berserk

>>7985077
The anon who said that probably watches neither and was just parroting OP. I don't even get why OP brought up Axia in the first place.

>>7970127
>Is it impossible for Holostars to achieve the same level of popularity as Nijimales in the future?
Yes, and for that matter, being a male idol outside of Nijisanji is basically signing a dead on arrival declaration

>>7970347
I doubt. Western male Vtubers are cringe as fuck, I don't see anything good coming out of that.

>>7985742
Most of the holostars audience are EOPs

>>7975340
This. And that was not only for Matsuri, but on a roommate no less. It caused a spike in her dislikes, and decreased her live viewer count, VOD views, and SC totals- and she was already super low.
The impact this would have on a girl who hasn't collabed with men in months if not more than a year and even slightly hints at GFE?

Why would any of them want that headache? To make some kind of point? Nobody right in the head causes contention just because they don't like something, especially not in fucking Japan. The longer you are an option for idolfags, the more you will accumulate as your main audience, and they can be good, reliable, and fun viewers who are engaged so they are honestly a great audience as long as you don't cross like 1 or 2 major lines, so it's easy to end up relying on them. Why people want every girl to become a fucking battleground between her normalfag fans and idolfag fans plus a mercenary army of dramafags fueling flames, I will never fucking understand. Just let them have peace.

>>7986377
From the other side I don't get people who become obsessed with Holostars's numbers, or want to force cringey collabs just so people can notice them. Beggars never watch them anyway. During Astel, RBC, and Choco's Apesex team, RBC's waiting room and chat were full of collab beggars going "Gee, why doesn't anyone collab with all the stars?" Meanwhile Astel's chat was devoid of that, those people who want all the girls to stream with the guys don't actually care about it content wise, they just see small numbers and freak out

>>7970127
The homos simply don't work hard enough to make their branch work.
Roberu and Astel are doing alright and it has payed off for them.
Izuru fucks off for weeks without reason and then come back and streams twice or so before fucking off again
Oga streams one hour and then fucks off for a couple of days only to comeback and repeat the same cycle again and again
Shien is about the same as Oga
Temma, Rikka Miyabi are semi-deligent, but... well they're just fucking boring, sorry
Aruran actually tries really hard but nothing he does seems to stick, pops off for a few streams and then is back to sub300 viewers in a few days
They need a more consistent content output if they really want to achieve those levels of fame but the commitment simply isn't there

>>7971530
>make them
Forced collabs are an awful idea.

>>7986497
their numbers aren't even bad in the grand scheme of things, hololive has just distorted what we think is a good performance numbers wise. the amount of vtubers is immense, and the amount of normal streamers is even higher. the vast majority will spend their whole careers streaming to a two digit viewcount at most.
plus holostars are having an incline right now and lots of great things are coming. beggars really do not watch them, or else they would know there is nothing to worry about.

>>7986498
>without reason
Izuru has uni
And Oga's done quite a lot for Holostars behind the scenes.

>>7984665
>in hololive
Anon?

>>7986884
we just fell on an alternate timeline anon

>>7986734
>Izuru has uni
So does Towa
>And Oga's done quite a lot for Holostars behind the scenes.
Not really

>>7986498
>Izuru
An actual university student around the same age as Shion and Haachama
He's currently on summer break hence why he's a lot more active these past few days but he's currently using his time to either practice for the upcoming ShibuHal vtuber tourney on the 22nd or preparing for his original song MV release next month
>Oga + Shien
Vtubing is only their secondary job
In Oga's case, he mentioned back in May that he won't be able to stream as much since he got a job as an illustrator (probably back at his previous affiliation)
>Temma
Actively splits his attention between his Temma account and his roommate account
If anything, at least his Temma content isn't as big of a snoozefest as that of the other

>>7970127
>Is it impossible for Holostars to achieve the same level of popularity as Nijimales in the future?
Pretty impossible.
This is not a "Oh this or that company is better" thing, it's a "Cover pretty much smothered them in the crib" thing.

If I could go back I'd try to prevent them from ever being instated. Not because I hate vtube males but because Cover clearly does and I find passive aggressive smothering of your own product line to be embarassing by proxy.
>>7985742
>I doubt. Western male Vtubers are cringe as fuck, I don't see anything good coming out of that.
HoloEN + NijiEN has like.
What.
13 million subscribers between them?
At the stated rate of 1 to 1200 making it into the first round and correcting for female subscribers for that still gives you more than enough prospective candidates to whip up something useful.

>>7987681
I think anon means of the Western male Vtubers/indies we have, none of them stand out or are corporation worthy, which I agree with. Or else we would have heard of them like we do of JP indies.

>>7970127
>as Nijimales
There are a lot of Nijimales with a lot of variation in their numbers. Naruse, Air-ouji, and Aki-kun still stuck in sub-Holostars views regularly. Holostars actually had an advantage over this in that they're getting more hako-oshis who will sub to all Stars, the downside for that is the comparison you brought up about Roberu vs. Axia. But males always had more difficulty being vtubers than females, and they're doing well in that regard.

>>7987681
>Not because I hate vtube males but because Cover clearly does and I find passive aggressive smothering of your own product line to be embarassing by proxy
I know the stars are Yagoo's passion project but it really makes you wonder why Cover even bothered establishing them if they didn't want to bother with trying to compete with other agencies to gain a footing on the male vtuber market as well
If anything, they pretty much just allowed Nijisanji dominate that market

>>7987848
>I think anon means of the Western male Vtubers/indies we have, none of them stand out or are corporation worthy, which I agree with. Or else we would have heard of them like we do of JP indies.
That he did but it was a weird non-sequitur because he equated present indies being across the board terrible with auditions being by necessity equally fruitless.
>>7988137
Agreed.

>>7988137
Based on their stories he was far more involved with them in the beginning yet that was during the collab ban so it makes no sense what the hell he was up to.

>>7988137
Because Cover actually hates the idea but it's Yagoo project so they can't refuse and proceed to sabotaged them. Thankfully series of event (holocomi, winning son, Shinove hiring) saved Holostars and now they're doing okay even with still limited support from cover.

>>7987848
>none of them stand out or are corporation worthy, which I agree with
I can name a few good ones. Mainly, they're the guys that're a part of Pomu and Elira's old friend group, Hanamori. Akatora Chimon stands out as a multitalented Nijisanji fanboy in particular. Ais Riale is also pretty good. It's a tough world out there for indies and indie males in particular, so it makes sense that people aren't familiar with the good one.

>>7986498
>The homos don't work hard enough
>Well these three kinda do... but they're boring so they don't count

>>7989910
That's the guy who's a Kanae oshi right? He's pretty good. and I've heard of Aisriale.

>>7990431
Yeah, I think they'd both fit in a hypothetical NijiEN.

>>7986672
>plus holostars are having an incline right now

>>7986498
I've always felt like Aruran's been a huge mystery as to why he never excels. He's funny and friendly. I feel like he'd be doing incredibly well at some place like niji or as an independent with good collab connections.

>>7991747
Please...leave him alone...

>>7980328
>Robe talk about Holostars hardship mainly their rough start and imply Cover mistreatment (very indirectly of course).
are they doing better now? from what I've been seeing, they seemed to be inclining albeit it's a way flatter slope compared to the girls'

>>7991972
Depends, I don't know if you could call it an incline Robe is doing worse than he was at the end of the last year, Astel did pop off quite a bit and the rest has 100-200 viewers more than they used to at the start of the year, but I guess and incline is an incline

>>7991841
If I had to guess, it's his model.

>>7991747
Despite having the 2nd highest subs of the stars at 183k, Rikka doesn't really get good live viewcounts or VOD views on most of his non-singing/collab streams. Astel obviously outclasses him in regards to NUMBERS and even Shien playing his usual debuff games still gets him more numbers (roughly 400-450 live viewers and a little over 8k VOD views when debuffed) than the old man does
Hell even Miyabi sometimes has a higher live viewcount than Rikka despite having low VOD numbers as well

>>7992244
Rikka gets decent live views when playing platformers

>>7989981
that's show biz

>>7975413
my dick will cure Mashiro of his necrophillia

>>7994990
Mashiro's already familiar with dickings

>>7994990
How he gets away with those streams is beyond me, that censor doesn't work for shit.

I just wonder why they all don’t jump ship. I get they’re friends and all, but in that case I’d be like “hey, let’s all ditch and go to nijisanji together” or something. It’s depressing the way Cover treats them.

>>7995416
Youtube has surgery/cadaver videos that have been there for years some with millions of views.

>>7995446
It's not only that, it's the copyright issue. Those streams are monetized.

>>7995523
There's copyright for gore?

>>7994990
Wow. This censor is useless!

>>7995586
For a medical video like that, most definitely.
Well, I don't think westerners will sue or anything, but you know how Japanese copyright law is.

>>7995630
That's the thing, he's looking at mostly non JP videos when it comes to the actual gore and not staged horror videos or random home videos of babies with spooky music. All that stuff flies under the radar. But I can see him getting striked for 1 vid in the future if he isn't careful which he kinda isn't lately but oh well

>>7992195
Most definitely his model. Looking at the most popular male vtubers are all 20s looking dudes who look fashionable and kinda feminine in a way. Aruran just looks like an old man in comparison.

>>7995688
Aruran can be an old man, Lack designed him well and it fits his personality better than a bishounen would, but his rigging is simply atrocious.

>>7972689
binaural HFO hypnosis

>>7995278
I'll ram an onahole inside him and give him the d, no homo

>>7995688
I think it's more his color scheme and outfit. The green and red with his skin tone, hair color and beard seem a little off. His intro music is really fucking annoying too. Old guys have a pretty big market with women I think he's just designed and marketed in a way people aren't as into.

>>7970347
English male vtubers are boring, just because they actually can speak english doesn't mean shit. There have been multiple instances where people hype up some english male vtuber debut on twitter or something, the debut gets solid views because they want to see if he lives up to the hype and he ends up being super boring and uninteresting. And then you have the vast crowd of EN male vtubers that are fucking losers who do nothing but complain that nobody watches their streams when they have no personality and you can bet your ass those are a majority of the Niji applicants

>>7970127
Hololive is what most people in the west link vtubing to and discovered vtubing with it, so it's those exceptations and that audience that is the EN market. That's why NijiEN girls feel so much like Hololive discount instead of the EN branch of Nijisanji JP, they went for the existing market. Thus, NijiEN males will also stay in the shadow.

>>7991747
Are you retarded? Firstly, this is a tournament with 4 other holostars members, their overlapping fanbase will spread themselves thin across multiple streams, which results in a lower viewer count than usual.
Secondly, Apex is not the game that attracts Rikka's fanbase (he's well known for his singing streams) plus he is shit at apex so naturally people wouldn't want to watch his POV over someone like Izuru if they want to follow the team. 2nd debuff.
Thirdly, you have Astel who is a god at apex (within holostars at least) in this tournament too, so holostars viewers who are interested in Apex and less on the members playing it will no doubt watch his stream over any of them. 3rd major debuff.

You couldn't have picked a more cherry picked example. As a shitty rebuttal, I can say that holostars are having an incline right now with this pic.

>>7995427
Nothing guarantees that they would get in, and giving how good the latest batch of males at Niji are doing their standards are probably really high for males specially

>>8000602

Holostars need to be disbanded already, they're nothing but makin Cover lose money. One would wonder why they are not gone already. Maybe some slept their way to keep the group?

>>8001326
Nah, vtubers are inexpensive to maintain they aren't losing cover any money. But it's probably embarrassing to bring them up in investors meetings just because of how badly they're performing compared to everyone else

>>8001062
>temma
>also shit at apex
Again another shitty example, change Rikka's name to Temma's in my post above and you have the reasons. But in case it's not clear, Apex is a game that people will only watch you consistently if you are either good or somehow can make each stream entertaining for your viewers to watch. But there is so much you can do to entertain your audience in Apex so to hold on to your apex viewers you would have to git gud at it, and none of them (except Izuru and Astel) are good at it. If you are serious about proving your point, you should look at their view count for their bread and butter streams.

>>8001486

>>8001528
Are you actually fucking retarded? 4 other holostars members are streaming at the same time so of course the view count is lower. Jesus fuck please kys and stop wasting the precious oxygen in the air.

>>8001678
>>8001486
>>8000602
>>7986672
you know people can just check their average viewership on the playboard, right? if you want to defend your homos then, I don't know talk about their unseen quality or something, the homos have numbers that are on par with literal who indies with 50k subs.

>>7974307
We are talking about underage rage streamer/indie Vtuber how has early shitty rocky beginning and that kid is collabing not only with his idol but no.1 Youtuber and popular male Idol in japan.

>>8002069
Can someone rephrase this in intelligible English?

>>8001810
>people can just check their average viewership on the playboard
Then that anon should use that to justify the whether members are inclining, and not just take a screenshot of a stream that has been debuffed to death. No great discussion is going to come from some biased example that no one is going to bother to fact check it.

Holostars is dying a slow death and I'm here for it. Not even Nijisanji is bother to take in those talentless homos

>>8002488
I agree but why the
>12325546
Are you a faggot or just new faggot

>>7987848
>Or else we would have heard of them like we do of JP indies
Not necessarily, nijien people were lost in the sea of indie vtubers aswell and I consider them to be pretty decent

It is impossible so long as COVER practically disallows them from collabing with Hololive. The boys have talent and are funny but they will never really get big because they have no real clippers and get no exposure at the end of the day.