/vt/ - Virtual Youtubers

Slowing down in what ?

Leaving this world isn't as scary as it seems.

I felt the same way but it doesn't seem to be the case.
I think people are just sticking to their generals more. I also notice threads last far longer, there was a (literal) shit thread up for a week

It's just you. It hasn't had an incident that reached breakneck speeds like Coco's graduation or the EN outfit reveals in a while but it's a growing board and now generally in the top 10 fastest on the site.

>>7645670
The shitty new captcha made many Anons leave and the schizos are severely demoralized because Kiara keeps winning so they're posting much less. /vt/ has slowed down immensely as a result of both occurrences.

Look at numerfagging generals before making these posts so at least you can back it up. Our posting will directly correlate

>>7645670
Reddit tourists are getting bored now Coco has left.

It's 3:15 am

Vtubers are reclining in general. Just look at Pekora's numbers.

Lots of faggots took the rope or a ban.

>>7646102
But we're the ones who take it
We're the ones who make it in the end!
Watch the buggers dance
Watch 'em till they drop
Keep your wits about you
And you stand on top!

>>7645834
Makes sense. The generals are the only place where you can get SOME kind of reasonable people. The rest of the board is plagued by schizos, raiders from somewhere else and dramafaggots doomposting.

>>7645780

>>7645670
It's just you I think.

>>7645670
People are realizing how fucking awful this board is, myself included. It's just nonstop blind hatred, shitposting and bait threads. Not visiting this place as much anymore has helped my mental health get a bit better.

>>7645670
It's no longer summer.

>>7646289
:)

>>7646267
I'll go to bed, wake up, post in generals, go to bed, and wake up to the catalog being 75% the same outside of fast generals going through a couple of breads. It's actually pathetic seeing someone reply in a bait thread that's hovering at page 11 about to die

>>7646267
This. I wonder of we will ever get /vtg/ since this board is basically /v/ but with vtubers.

>>7645834
Basically this. Generals are essentially safe zones and everything else is a nuclear wasteland.

>>7646267
I do my service to this board and report as many falseflagging and shitposting threads as I can, I also see that frogposters have been doing threads on a similar vein as /v/ but I guess those are being largely ignored in general. I do sometimes fear that I might get warned for reporting excessively but I can easily reach over 10 reported and hidden threads at a time.

>>7647759
what are some of these "falseflagging" threads are you speaking of

Well, not having a gorillion of anti Kiara threads constantly perfectly explains the decrease.

But that's a good thing since that was pure cancer, so yeah.

>>7647818
I don't know, maybe the thousand anti-Kiara, Mori and Gura threads that have infected this board since its inception? Because I'm sure you do remember this place getting filled with over 30 Kiara threads at a time. I can still see six of them hopelessly at the bottom of the catalog right now.

Covid buff is over, HoloEN isn't fresh and new anymore, there has been no major controversies as of late and IRyS was a failure of an experiment
When HoloEN2 comes out you can bet there'll be a surge in activity but for now enjoy the slower pace while it lasts

>>7645670
People are just moving away from Hololive to the other smaller groups and indies.

>>7647818
>How do we save x?
>kson 3DPD threads
>Why is x popular?
>x doesn't deserve y
>Is x gay?
>Gosling shit
>Frogposters
>Numberfagging

>>7648468
I'd actually class the numberfag thread as a general. It might surprise you but some people are genuinely interested in the numbers

>>7648264

IRyS is sitting at half million subs, that's only "a failure" compared to HoloMyth, but Myth has been the most succesful VTuber group on the planet.

Not even HoloEN2 will reach those heights since they and Coco were the center of the Western VTuber boom.

>>7648627
The number general is fine if they stay contained. I regularly see Japanese site screenshots be made into threads titled OH NO NO NO NO MOG and I open the number general and of course the same image is found in that thread, posted an hour ago. People surf there to make bait amongst actual number nerds.

>>7646395
What are you even on? August has just started.

>>7645670
Enjoy your catalog for now, because HoloEN2's going to generate a fuckton of schizos and falseflaggers

>>7648642
Yeah, not to doompost but Myth is really something else. EN2 will probably sit somewhere in Irys' range but nothing insanely impressive.

>>7648968
Translation: U.S. schools are back in session.

New captcha is killing the site.
The slider needs to go.

>>7650990
This I move it all the way to the right and its still fucked I have to keep refreshing until I dont get a slider

>>7651053
slider sucks but anon that's not how you're supposed to use the slider, you move it back and forth until it lines up

>>7651102
o-oh

>>7651053
Retardchama.. You have to make the letters line up...

welcome to /faggot/, fag

>>7647759
I do the same thing and occasionally also make inane threads to kick of bait threads of the board. Honestly this place just doesn't have enough meidos to handle the spam, there are large periods of the day where there's basically no moderation at all.

>>7647759
>I do sometimes fear that I might get warned for reporting excessively but I can easily reach over 10 reported and hidden threads at a time.
don't worry about it i report shitposts and falseflags as "this user is underage" every time and i havent gotten a warning

>>7645834
all the schizos are contained in /ahoy/ now, so you obviously every other thread is moving extremely slowly.

>>7651380

>>7651053
>Retard successfully filtered

>>7651053
>an actual bot
The Captcha does work, huh

>>7646679
I think it's a matter of time. There is so many chuubas and this board is so shit that a /vtg/ would be necessary at some point

>>7645670
It's mlp all over again. Fetishists ghetto themselves in an increasingly expansive list of long running generals, stagnating diverse discussion and driving away anons who're here to discover novel new chubas or discussion topics.

Single character tribalniggers are the death of a board. They'll keep filling the catalogue with their oshi even if there's nothing worth talking about. They're basically reddit colonies on any board that loves faster than /m/.

If I had my way, given that chubas are a dime a dozen now, all company chubas would be restricted to generation based generals. If you want to sperg out over one character then go make a fan Reddit. Waifu generals are ruining vt for everyone who's not an eceleb worshipper.

>>7645834
>I think people are just sticking to their generals more
good, this board is dogshit anyway

>>7664828
Holobronies lapped jp so vt was created. Now holobronies filled vt with generals, so vtg needs to be created. Once vtg gets filled with holobrony threads, we'll need a dedicated hlg board to contain their idol worship. If the board ever dies it can simply be rebranded to whatever brand is currently the most cancerous on vtg.

Why does this matter? It's better to have slower threads where conversation can actually happen

>>7666270
Cows and touristchamas just want to spread their cancer everywhere, and then complain about why their place is cancerous. But when they find a non-cancerous place, they feel the need to shit up the place.
That's it.

>7665897
(You)

>>7645670
Yeah, I posted my semi-bait* pic related, I expected the thread to last two hours at best, went to bed after three, and it was still up when I woke up.
*semi-bait as in, some are facts(like Korone or Noel), some are honest opinion(like Mori or Suisei), but some are obvious bullshit(like Risu being a redditor or IRyS being an FPS junkie) or a made up opinion(for example Watame and Moona are actually my favourites)

>>7670219
I wonder why people respond to bait like this if they watch streams.

>>7670911
There was a "who do you actually watch?" thread recently, it fell off the board with about a dozen replies. Most people here are just clipwatchers.

>>7671042
It's funnier to create drama than watch streams, it seems

>>7645951
I don't get the captcha hate. It's easy as fuck. The longest it has taken me is 5 seconds while I was half asleep.

The eggs have gotten demoralized though after Dokomi though. Her panel was at well above Max capacity and the whole thing was pretty kino. One of them are grasping at straws with >>7674795

>>7646395
Looks like their summer vacation is...over

>>7645670
This is first time in like a month that I've opened a thread other than my one general, and I assume most people do the same

>>7677291
I spend multiple hours a day shitposting and spreading rrats on the multiple schizo threads that pop up on this board

>7677355
You want a medal, schizo?

>>7677404
not him but I do

>>7677404
am him, I do

>>7670219
>only one with no negative points is Flare

>>7645670
cuz rrat posters are losing interest

>>7670219
your list is accurate, just watch history vtubers like moe now

>>7677725
link me babe

>>7675419
Most streams aren't really interesting enough to watch in full. I think by now, the honeymoon period is over for most people and they don't want to spend that much time on it.

>>7677920
watching clips is just easier
and there are hours of new clips every day

>>7677997
my only problem with watching clips is that it means supporting the shitty leeches that are clippers. It would be much better if they would just make official clips.

>>7678042
I'm not losing any sleep over it
What is my single adblocked youtube view worth anyway? $0.0001 per minute? These girls are making over $100/hour in superchats.
Most clippers probably arent making that much, lets say they release one video per day and it gets ~40k views, that isnt that much money

>>7678124
NTA. The only truly bad clippers are the clickbaiters or blatant mistranslators. The rest are pretty helpful with translations, quick access to explanations of important events like vacations, shit like that.

>>7645670
nijiEN thread is busy but this is a holo board in general, alas...

watch Selen and Elira, you might have fun

>>7678124
There seem to be some scummy clippers that take things out of context or post dox or translate poorly and create misunderstandings, but for most channels, yeah, it's hard to care when vtubers or their parent companies don't bother setting up anything themselves.
>things_hololive_should_do.txt

>>7678459
especially maple leaf thats my fuckin dude right there
love watchin his neneclips

>>7677885
i actually just linked the whole playlist
moe used to be forced by eilene to do asmr and 360 videos but now that she is independent shes rebranding her channel as a history/true crime channel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxcRBO1ggD4&list=PLfehfAYmT7Kk0u4Kf_7-Li8xcZqci9w6F&index=6

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6c-63NB0SGA&list=PLfehfAYmT7Kk0u4Kf_7-Li8xcZqci9w6F&index=3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YXSzDutzAM&list=PLfehfAYmT7Kk0u4Kf_7-Li8xcZqci9w6F&index=5

>>7677920
thats why you should watch vtubers like moe who actually have videos where you can watch in its entirely and not get bored.

man i fucking hate this whole 3 hour reading superchat garbage. or lazy reacting to other videos.
shes probably like the only vtuber who doesn't do this shit at this point.

poetic that even though so many vtubers come and go over the years the first english vtuber will always be the best.

>>7679817
thanks
love u <3

>>7680554
im interested in what you think.
she has quite a variety of content but now is focusing on this type of stuff.

>>7679990
>man i fucking hate this whole 3 hour reading superchat garbage. or lazy reacting to other videos.
>shes probably like the only vtuber who doesn't do this shit at this point.
Suisei doesn't do superlong streams unless is a collab and she doesn't reads superchats either (because she has better things to do with her time than reading fucking superchats)

>>7681595
suisei is likely one exception, her streams are usually ok 90% of holo does this hot garbage my point still stands.

>>7646345
True, this place is overwhelmingly negative
It can really ruin your appreciation of some vtubers in the long term

>>7681595
Honestly I've never got why people do superchat reading streams, i mean i get it if there was an event/collab that you couldn't read the donos during or you couldn't do it at the end of the event but i feel like hololive girls just do superchat readings to pad out the stream schedule.
I'd rather them play a game or do something else instead of spending 5 hours reading out messages from people who donated money.
it just comes off as posturing and unintentional gloating about how much money your making.

>>7682259
>this place is overwhelmingly negative
Fuck you no it isn't

>>7682259
>True, this place is overwhelmingly negative
well fuck you too buddy

>>7677920
True

>>7682343
More likely is that they do it because of social pressure. Someone started that shit, somebody continued it and now almost everyone does it.

Reading superchats wins you gachikois and more money too

>>7682259
>this place is overwhelmingly negative
Not tonight it isn't. Have you noted the amount of unique IPs in split threads lately? It's almost as if recent events have caused a drastic reduction in the frequency of anti posts. Look at the bigger picture.

>>7675419
Watching a 2 hour stream just to get 2 minutes of good content isn't worth it, that's why you watch clips

Am I really one of the few who thinks that superchat reading is good?
I will never ever watch one but doesn't that format allows the vtuber to perform and play the game without thanking a dono every five seconds since they will be read in an after stream?
So if you're a paypig you get your money worth with your message through and if you're a 3C you can just tune out once the real stream is over

>>7682687
You don't need to read every message as they go. Suisei only says a general thank you every now and then and continues the stream normally.

>>7682567
>spoiler
I'm a blind idiot, please be more specific on what you mean.

>>7682687
They can be good. Kiara's are some of her best content because they're basically just zatsudans. Mori's are terrible because she just speeds through them.

>>7682346
You disagree?
Like, many anons are eager to partake in dramas and negative gossip. Tribalism is rampant, if you like someone you have to hate someone else and it's not just between vtubers but also between corporations.
Anti posting is the biggest (you) farmer and they easily swing the threads like in global generals. Now sprinkle the board with schizos, yuri shipfags, shitposters and we're here
The only threads free from this are the dedicated generals but they are also the slowest. And the fastest threads are global who are a mix of twitch chat spam and anti arguing with fans

I grew out of vtubers

>>7683536
Also number threads that are just stealth anti threads
>humm gura numbers? Humm iris?? Humm moged? Oh no no no?

The magic and wonder of the early days is gone. What you're left with is le quirky white women barely pretending to be an anime character stuck playing the same 4 games ad nauseum because they don't have permissions to do anything else. It's only natural people got bored.

>>7684063
this picture physically disgusts me

>>7684063
ywnbj btw

>>7645670
i wouldn't say slowing down, it has become a mix of just generals or "wow look at this, how could that person do that" threads instead of many different threads.

>>7684063
My tummy herts

>>7683788
The numbers threads are good. What you see when you go there are falseflaggers from one side and the other trying to fight with each other. Eventually, they completely derail the thread but there's people there that cares about analysis of trends.

>>7645670
this board is too amerimutt for my taste, like /v/

>>7677291
Same I mostly stay in generals. im here to discuss vtubers rationally not gossip about them.

>>7678514
Quoting a guy in another thread on the costs of hiring a clipper

>How much do you think that vid cost
It depends. If they used inhouse staff it costed "only" their time, as their cost is already sunk in the monthly cost.
I put only in quotes because that's exactly what makes Japan to have such a shitty workplace ethics, people are expected to do their own jobs and then overtime doing what would be other people jobs.

Now, if they would hire a full time english translator in japan it would set them back north of 70k/year (assuming Japan is like every other civilized country where the state taxes the employer more money the employee takes home).
That would cover only translating a transcript provided by the editor. Someone would still have to watch through all of the talent videos of that period, select the best parts, edit and transcribe.
A person doing that full time would not be less expensive than the translator so add another 70k to the expense.

All in all that would mean an expense of 140k dollars/year on staff alone, not counting the "materials" (in this case hardware, software licenses), for one pair of people.

That would mean that ad revenue on the translated videos would have to be around 11k / month to break even.
Cover and Anycolor would both benefit massively from having every stream VOD translated, and from creating their own clips for most talents.

The thing is
>the community does it for free
>they also do it much better because they do it for their oshi (for the most part)

That last point is important because what the fans know about their oshis (both the person and the body of work, the inside jokes and the memes) are sometimes more than even the current manager assigned to them.

Anyway, about numbers, I assume at very least 11k dollars per month on ads to break even on hiring one editor and one translator, meaning having to get at very min (assuming 0.5CPM and perfect ad watching by the audience) 22M views per month, every month
>to break even

>>7682343
Consider that the one holo that goes out of her way to read every superchat sent to her is also the one that earns the most money.

>>7682259
This place can be really negative, however i don't agree on the idea of that being a bad thing, i think it is necessary to have a place where people can freely give negative criticism against a Chuuba because the majority of the fandom is blindly positive to a point where you just can't do that on any official way (like for example you can't really criticize in a negative way any Holo vtuber in their official subreddit) it helps to create a balance between the positive and negative, and besides outside of all the schizo shit this place can give real constructive criticism from time to time either negative or positive

>>7687524
Is not worth it. Anycolor has money to throw away it seems

>>7645670
Vtubing (in the West) has already hit critical mass. The biggest event has already happened, and the biggest group to Western eyes has already been around for almost a year.
The fad is cooling off in the West as Western people's lives are going back to normal, but vtubing as a whole will definitely continue.

>>7693144
The problem is that there is a fine line between "giving criticism" and "schizo narratives" and you're deluding yourself if you think there's more than one piece of genuine criticism for every 10 schizo narratives, and one you get to that point it's all too easy to dismiss critism as insanity

>>7694826
In anykara's case it at least makes sense for them to do so since they are on the backfoot in the west and could really use the increased awareness it might bring. Cover has literally no reason to take on that expense given that vtubers and hololive are practically already synonymous in the west and they will almost assuredly not break even on that cost.

>>7645670
Dead hours, mate.

>>7694931
Vtubing hit critical mass in Japan. The west has still room to grow.